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Geoff Schwartz on his Oregon Ducks getting tested by Boise St, Controversial ending to Michigan game + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Hour three of the Sean O'Connell Show on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: that feels like a Monday because we had Labor Day weekend.
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  Speaker 2: We welcome in, as the NFL comes back in earnest
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  Speaker 2: this week, former NFL offensive lineman, former Oregon Duck, longtime co-host.
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  Speaker 3: Of mine, Jeff Schwartz. Hey, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, buddy? Doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Doing great.
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  Speaker 1: You'd said nice big win the other day. There we go.
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  Speaker 1: Starting off with a bang.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. How come Oregon didn't do the same thing?
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  Speaker 1: So I was, uh, at the game with my kids,
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  Speaker 1: which was great. Um, and I was sitting and I,
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  Speaker 1: they gave me nice seats and I was in the
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  Speaker 1: box and, um, it was in the box with some important, uh, people.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, there was a little bit of a,
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  Speaker 1: it was, the box was a little bit quiet for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of quarters. Um, But eventually, obviously, I never
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  Speaker 1: felt like we'd lose. It was just kind of annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Conley gave us SP +, for those who don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk about Bill a lot throughout the season. He
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  Speaker 1: gave us a 98% chance to win after the game.
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  Speaker 1: You double up someone in yardage, you get a good
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  Speaker 1: chance to win the game. I think a theme of
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  Speaker 1: the weekend, and it definitely played out in that game,
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  Speaker 1: was just the officiating was atrocious this weekend, and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't call kick-catch interference, and that led to Boise State
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  Speaker 1: scoring immediately. They call that, and, you know, 7-7 game,
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  Speaker 1: we have the ball, and we just scored a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: I think we had forced three straight three outs. It
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  Speaker 1: was a lot different. You can't, to me, look, you
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  Speaker 1: call holding, you don't call holding, look, whatever. You can't
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  Speaker 1: miss procedural stuff. You can't miss stuff like that, Sean.
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  Speaker 1: It's always been my thing about fishing. You know I've
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  Speaker 1: been very firm on this. You just can't mess up, like,
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  Speaker 1: procedural stuff. And stuff that's really black and white. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to call holding or pass interference, fine. Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But you just can't mess up stuff that's pretty black
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  Speaker 1: and white.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you. You played a lot more
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  Speaker 2: years of football than most people do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's a difference between starting a game with a stiff test.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I think Boise qualifies. I know that there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people who want to say like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're not in the power conference anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Oregon's supposed to be way better.
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  Speaker 1: Fine.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: To me, there's a big difference between starting with a
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  Speaker 2: real game versus having a practice game. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if there's any NFL opponents that count as practice games.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: You do get actual preseason games there, but like going
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  Speaker 2: back through your heart, your whole career, can you characterize
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  Speaker 2: for me the difference? If you had notable differences between
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  Speaker 2: like when you get the FCS opponent in week one
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  Speaker 2: versus when you have to kick off against you know
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  Speaker 2: a program at least as good as boise state or
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  Speaker 2: like some of these other teams that in recent years
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  Speaker 2: have played ohio state week one or whatever i don't think.
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  Speaker 1: We ever played so we played uh i'm gonna play
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  Speaker 1: montana once in week one otherwise we went to houston
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  Speaker 1: one year um we played stanford one year oddly enough
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  Speaker 1: and we played indiana and we lost oh ford indiana
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  Speaker 1: so we never played like a real pasty i think
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  Speaker 1: except played montana maybe one year i think You just
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  Speaker 1: prepare for the game the same way. You can't prepare
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  Speaker 1: for it a different way. Now, obviously, the result is
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  Speaker 1: you get to play young guys. I know Oregon was
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to playing some young guys on the offensive
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  Speaker 1: line and some other positions. They just didn't get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to do that because week one was a tougher
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  Speaker 1: game than they imagined. I don't know if there's any
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  Speaker 1: right or wrong way to do this. I mean, would
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  Speaker 1: you say Louisville or Ole Miss felt like they started
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  Speaker 1: the season off too tough? I don't think so. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a right or wrong way to
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  Speaker 1: start the season. I think that you prepare the same way.
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  Speaker 1: There's a little less stress when you're playing Idaho than
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  Speaker 1: when you're playing someone who's better, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that you prepare differently as a player.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the Idaho thing.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about a Utah offensive line that, look, ultimately
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  Speaker 2: you demolished Idaho, but we're still saying, hold on a minute,
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  Speaker 2: our offensive line should have been pushing them around at will.
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  Speaker 2: Our defensive line Should have had four sacks and eight
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  Speaker 2: tackles for loss against an Idaho team that just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have the same level of player. That oversimplifies the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing that's disrespectful to the guys that, yes, it's a
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  Speaker 2: slightly lower level of football, but, I mean, they're playing
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  Speaker 2: their best, especially now that the transfer portal is a
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  Speaker 2: reality and things like that. when you did play the
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  Speaker 2: guys from a lower-level school or even in conference school
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  Speaker 2: that didn't have the same level of guy, what is
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  Speaker 2: the difference? You're an Oregon starting offensive lineman, you're Jeff Schwartz,
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  Speaker 2: you're NFL-bound, and that Montana defensive lineman is 70%.
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  Speaker 3: Of what you're used to seeing? Is he 85% of
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  Speaker 3: what you're used to seeing? Give me a number.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the number is, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: just tell you that's much easier. I think you're able
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  Speaker 1: to just play with a little bit of ease knowing
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  Speaker 1: that you're playing against an opponent that just can't really
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  Speaker 1: do anything against you right and and you know the
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  Speaker 1: toughest obviously is when you're playing and you have you
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  Speaker 1: can do multiple things what do you what do you
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  Speaker 1: prepare for a lot of times you prepare for these
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  Speaker 1: lower you just can't there's nothing they can do really
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  Speaker 1: that gets you into trouble and then you can physically
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  Speaker 1: wear them out right and so we know that when
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  Speaker 1: you're tired you just don't play football is really anything
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  Speaker 1: as well when you're tired so I think that all
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  Speaker 1: plays a role in it, right? It's just easier when
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  Speaker 1: you play teams that aren't as good. This is why–
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the stats, right? Because I think
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  Speaker 1: week one and week two and some of these earlier games,
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  Speaker 1: it's not about the score. It's about how the game went, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I did not watch Utah play very much, so
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  Speaker 1: I can't really give you a great idea about what
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  Speaker 1: Utah did. So Oregon obviously won by seven. But the
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  Speaker 1: average eight yards of play on offense– Their offensive line
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  Speaker 1: was great. I think Dalton was hit just once the
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  Speaker 1: entire game. They ran the ball for five or six
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  Speaker 1: yards to carry. Defensively, they allowed less than five yards
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  Speaker 1: to play. They had three sacks. They had something like
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  Speaker 1: 20 pressures. They had a couple of really bad plays, right?
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  Speaker 1: The boys, they sit on a screen that was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of, I thought, unacceptable defense by Oregon. Like, there
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  Speaker 1: were some bad plays, certainly, but all the numbers, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: pointed to Oregon playing probably pretty well. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm not really like concerned. I'm like, oh, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they didn't win by a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: the numbers sort of told you that game was a
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  Speaker 1: lot better. I mean, when you, you know, when Boise State,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to throw the ball at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the game and you hit the quarterback like four straight
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  Speaker 1: plays in a row, that's pretty good. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so I think this is what these early games are.
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  Speaker 1: They're just sort of, I think, just an idea of
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  Speaker 1: where you are as a team, what to work on.
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  Speaker 1: Final score to me is not really as important than
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  Speaker 1: what I see as sort of the things I look
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  Speaker 1: at as far as important numbers of the game.
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  Speaker 3: The leap from week one to week two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Especially for an offensive line that played several combinations. We saw,
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  Speaker 2: we've talked, you and I've talked a lot about Kelvin Obot,
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  Speaker 2: by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Left guard in the game. Played well.
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  Speaker 1: Was that a surprise left guard?
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  Speaker 3: No, not for me.
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  Speaker 1: Oregon came out with an entirely different offensive line than
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  Speaker 1: anyone thought would be week one, so it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of a shock.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Utah, it was kind of what people expected it would be,
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  Speaker 2: and then they inserted Obot at left guard pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 2: and they had two guys that didn't play at all
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  Speaker 2: that were considered kind of in the mix, and one
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  Speaker 2: of them, I think it's because of an injury, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about the other one, so Obat's best competition
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  Speaker 2: for that left guard spot is a guy who didn't
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  Speaker 2: play in week one, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: But that unit has to look a lot better against
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  Speaker 2: Arkansas than they did. Arkansas has got a defensive end
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  Speaker 2: who's a projected first-round pick. So you're going to, especially
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  Speaker 2: your tackles, probably going to have to be a heck
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  Speaker 2: of a lot better.
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  Speaker 3: What kind of leap should we expect in one week?
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  Speaker 1: You always say week one to week two is a
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  Speaker 1: big leap in production, right? And part of that is
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  Speaker 1: you just understand game speed now. You understand what it
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  Speaker 1: takes to play the entire 60 minutes. It takes to
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  Speaker 1: play 70 plays, what it feels like when things aren't
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  Speaker 1: going as well as you want them to go. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: all those things you don't really know until you actually
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  Speaker 1: get an opportunity to feel those things on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: And so you understand them a lot better. especially when
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  Speaker 1: you're young, heading into week two, and you also get
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  Speaker 1: an idea as a coach. I mean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things you think are going to happen in a game, right? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's done this in practice, and you get to
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  Speaker 1: a game, and they're better or they're worse. They can
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  Speaker 1: be worse, too. Absolutely can be worse. And so you
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  Speaker 1: can make changes between week one and week two. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this worked. This didn't work. I thought he'd be good
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  Speaker 1: at this, and he wasn't good at this. Let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of things you can change between
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  Speaker 1: week one and night. You can change sometimes is getting
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  Speaker 1: your butt kicked. That's something you just can't do sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: There are times when you're just– You got your butt whooped, man.
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  Speaker 1: That's just football. But schematics, confidence is huge, right? Just confidence,
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  Speaker 1: getting a chance to play and know what it feels
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  Speaker 1: like to play in a college football game and get
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  Speaker 1: your legs back underneath you. So you see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of improvement between week one and week two. And for Utah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you're playing a much– Arkansas is going to
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  Speaker 1: be better. They're not great. They'll be better all over
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  Speaker 1: the place. So the first couple of drives, it'll be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see sort of how they start out.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the biggest game of the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't think it was going to be the biggest game
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  Speaker 2: of the weekend, but conversationally, the Kyle Whittingham debut at
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  Speaker 2: Michigan ended up being the most controversial thing we've seen
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  Speaker 2: in recent years.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to lead the witness at all. What
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  Speaker 3: is your take?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So my take, I think, is quite about the controversy,
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  Speaker 1: just Michigan in general.
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  Speaker 3: Well, give me all of it, but especially the ending.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Bryce Underwood is not long for the job.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's very clear, right? I mean, Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 1: basically said that in a press conference. And I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day when it came to
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  Speaker 1: this topic. So how many coaches that got new jobs
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  Speaker 1: didn't get to decide the quarterback that they got to keep?
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  Speaker 1: No one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, no one, basically.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like Kyle Whittingham was given, Bryson was like,
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  Speaker 1: you have to make this work because they paid him
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  Speaker 1: so much money.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I also, because the Utah lens on this is they took.
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  Speaker 2: Who they thought was the best wide receiver. They took
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  Speaker 2: who they thought was the best corner. They took the
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  Speaker 2: best pass rusher. And we all felt like, oh, for
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  Speaker 2: sure they're going to take either Devin Dampier or Bird Ficklin.
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds like both of those guys got talked to,
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  Speaker 2: but that the pursuit of neither was... There wasn't real
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  Speaker 2: hardcore overtures for Michigan to get either of those guys.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious as to why, especially in the case
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  Speaker 2: of Bird Ficklin, who... By the way, I think probably
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  Speaker 2: got a call on Sunday morning, like, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be a Wolverine next year.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really curious as to why.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it falls into what you're saying, that
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  Speaker 2: Michigan had already decided, we paid for this kid. He's
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  Speaker 2: your guy. Succeed with him as the starting quarterback. But
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  Speaker 2: you would still want to add depth.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know. I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 1: But my point is, like, there's no– Kyle Whitton has
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  Speaker 1: no attachment to him.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Right? He's not... So that's why I think he's just like, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's not good. Like, you're just done. Like, we're just
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  Speaker 1: not going to... Why would I keep you as my quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So I think he's done. Look, Michigan scored in the
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  Speaker 1: first half of the game and then did not get
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  Speaker 1: inside Western Michigan territory to the final snap of the game,
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  Speaker 1: which was the Hail Mary and the second Hail Mary.
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  Speaker 1: So the Hail Mary.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do I think the Big Ten... basically cheated. The answer
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  Speaker 1: is no. I think that obviously it was this footage,
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  Speaker 1: this clock they used, that showed there was one second
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  Speaker 1: left on the clock. I believe it. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that they made it up, Sean, right? There's no conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: to help Michigan here. The thing that I think is
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  Speaker 1: that would they have done the same thing for Western Michigan?
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  Speaker 3: No. No.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. Oh, no, no, no. The clock is right.
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  Speaker 1: The NBC clock, or whatever clock it was going to be, right?
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  Speaker 1: They just would have made it that way. That would
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  Speaker 1: have been the right feed. So that's the question I
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  Speaker 1: have on that angle, right? Would they have done this
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  Speaker 1: for Western? But then, I'm sure, have you seen today
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  Speaker 1: what the Mac put out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just read that, their statement, that the
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  Speaker 2: Mac is seeking to have this win vacated.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so this is, like, totally fascinating. So the Mac
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  Speaker 1: has announced that they did not follow the protocols that
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  Speaker 1: were put in place for replay review, and they would
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  Speaker 1: like the win essentially vacated. Sean, super fascinating, because what
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  Speaker 1: if they're right? Like, do they vacate the win?
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if they didn't follow the protocols,
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  Speaker 1: they probably would have to, right? I mean, like, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by this because it's a very black
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  Speaker 1: and white thing, right? You either follow the rules or
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  Speaker 1: you do not. If you didn't, there was no time
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  Speaker 1: left on the clock. So you have lost the game.
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  Speaker 1: Would they do that? Or would they just say, I'm sorry, like,
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  Speaker 1: we screwed up. We're not changing the result of the game.
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  Speaker 3: It's not one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: Where it's like, a question of whether or not there's
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  Speaker 1: a black and gray area, right? It's like black and white.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they either screwed up and there was a
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  Speaker 1: second left to be not second left or it was
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  Speaker 1: done right. There's a second left. I'm very curious what
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  Speaker 1: happens here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that Michigan is going to be
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  Speaker 2: asked to vacate the wind. I think that, well, there'll
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  Speaker 2: be asked us to do it. Well, I don't, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that the NCAA is going to come up
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  Speaker 2: with that decision. Nothing that has happened in the last
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  Speaker 2: several decades, but especially these last few years, uh, indicate
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  Speaker 2: to me that Western Michigan is going to be treated
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  Speaker 2: the same way as Michigan or Notre Dame or Ohio
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  Speaker 2: state or Oregon or Utah or BYU, right? There's, there's
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  Speaker 2: clearly a hierarchy to whose needs the NCAA feels like
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  Speaker 2: they want to serve first. And Western Michigan is not
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  Speaker 2: near the top of that hierarchy.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you there. Sorry about that. My daughter
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  Speaker 1: walked in. Um, I agree with you there. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: you think they might just say, like, oops, we messed up,
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  Speaker 1: we're not changing the result of the game?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to say, because it's
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  Speaker 2: one of these things, right, where you've got a significant
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  Speaker 2: portion of the public that says, there was no time left,
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  Speaker 2: we all watched it on our television. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think the Big Ten did a pretty darn good job
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  Speaker 2: of being like, well, here's transparency in our replay review.
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  Speaker 2: And you can see in this, in their view, in
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  Speaker 2: their angle, there is time left on the clock. So...
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  Speaker 2: It's like one of these things where you're like, all right, well, intellectually,
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  Speaker 2: I acknowledge that there was time on the clock, according
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  Speaker 2: to this particular view. Emotionally, I'm like, nobody even knew
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  Speaker 2: that that clock existed two days ago. We only know
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  Speaker 2: about that because of this controversy. I legitimately had no
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  Speaker 2: idea that those two clocks were anything different from one another.
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  Speaker 2: And so now I'm like, all right, well, if I
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  Speaker 2: believe what I saw from the Big Ten's angle in
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  Speaker 2: the replay review, I'm like, yeah, there was a little
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  Speaker 2: time left.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess they deserve to have that next play,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: that mulligan.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: But also I'm like, well, hold on a minute, because
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Western Michigan would not have been given the same flexibility.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: And Utah would not have been given the same flexibility.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: And it's only because it's this bad. mega brand yeah
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that we're having this conversation so i don't know how
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: people will come out on it but i just can't
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: imagine doing something so unprecedented over what ultimately like they'll
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: probably say uh the officials handled it wrong so they're
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: suspended because they're the ones who were supposed to adjudicate
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: it i don't.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Know yeah um i i do also you'll think that
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: um that it's I know conferences have moved for more transparency.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I think the big 12 has done this as well.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: The ACC, like this would have been great to hear
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: this in real time. Like that would have been a great,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I think a great thing for all of us. And
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I do wonder if this, if this sort of helps
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: move all conferences to do this.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I think that's right. NFL season begins. Oh wait, no, no, no.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Before I move on from this, you go back in
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: your own career, you get, one more, you get one
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: more Mulligan play like Michigan got game decider last second,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: whatever a play that somebody either did or did not
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: get a penalty on. What is one play that if
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you could go back and replay it and get the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: opposite result, you think you would have won something important?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think if, if I can, if I could
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: take back the play genetics and hurt his neon.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I would take back. I think in, in my, in actuality. So,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: In college, what play did I take back? We fumbled
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the ball out of the end zone to lose to Cal.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: We were 8-1 that year. That would have made us 9-0.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: But then Dennis got hurt, so it didn't really matter
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in the end. That was obviously a pretty important play
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: because we could have been undefeated, which would have been
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Michael... Dyer's knee being down or
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: whatever his ankle not being down. Can we redo that
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: play and give us actually him being down? I don't
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: know how many plays in my career I'd want to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: redo on.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Is the SEC going to vote LSU out? The vote
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: about the island.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Ah, geez. I think this is just, and the SEC
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: just wants, doesn't want a little bit of control, right?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: This is basically what it is. Like, can we just
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: enforce our own rules, please? They're not throwing LSU out,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: but I think they just want the ability to say,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: we run our own league and the court system can
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: knock it in the way here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a pretty reasonable request.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think that every state, do you think Utah
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: could find a judge in Utah that would give them
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the rulings they want? Or do you think it's just
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a thing that just happens in the South?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a good question.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I think that the schools here could find a judge
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to give them the ruling they wanted.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Could BYU do it?
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I think especially BYU could do it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think that, but also because if it were anything
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that opposed, you know, put those two against one another,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: if it were like, hey, BYU wants this and Utah doesn't,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you will find a judge on either side that's going
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to grant the injunction or forward the motion just to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: spite the other.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: What about Weber State?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Probably not quite as successful.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: How are the Wildcats doing this year?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: They're 1-0. They've got a game against Colorado coming up. Oh.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: The Buffs off of bye week?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: No, the Buffs are off. They played Thursday.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: They played Thursday.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Such a long time ago.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, our former high school coach that actually, my
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: sophomore year, he was our wide receivers coach. And Eric
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Kerr is now the head man at Weber State. Oh,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they're 1-1.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I lied. They're 1-1.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: They lost to Southern Utah, which is not a good
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: loss for Weber State.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, no?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: No.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: They beat Northern Colorado, then they lost a close one
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to Southern Utah. And now they've got Colorado and then,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of course, Northwestern State.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Ooh, yikes.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Are they good or bad?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. The NFL starts tomorrow night.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: That's weird. That's weird.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Let's start with that first game, Patriots-Seahawks.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Are the Seahawks going to be a Super Bowl contender
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: this year, or are they going to have that hangover
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that most Super Bowl teams do?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Either they're definitely a contender or they're winning again, but
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I think that coaching staff is really, really good. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: think the team only lost two starters from the Super Bowl,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and that's one of them, the running back, and I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: think they lost Durant, right, the cornerback or safety. So
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they returned most of the team. Now I think it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: fair to question, without Clint Kubiak there, what does the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: offense look like? We saw that with Ben Johnson leaving
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Detroit last year. It was just a little bit worse.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But I think they're still an absolute contender because they
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: have a good quarterback, a really good defense, a great
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: young head coach. To me, it's really just what does
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the offense look like without their superstar play caller as
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: their man anymore. So I think that they'll just be good.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think they'll win the Super Bowl this year,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but they're going to be a playoff team.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: There's this viral video going around of the rugby coach
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: teaching Miles Garrett how to hit.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I saw that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And this guy, I've seen him doing stuff with a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: bunch of, the algorithm feeds me this dude way too much.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: If you had, I guess it's tougher for offensive linemen,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: but how would you respond to Billy Coffey coming in
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and being like, he's supposed to do it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I've thought about this, about the algorithm, like, If Meredith
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: went onto my phone and looked at my algorithm, what
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: would she think about it versus what would I think
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: about her algorithm?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Would she just look at like, oh, there's a bunch
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of videos of steak being cooked.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And maybe there's some women in bikinis. Those are sort
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of probably the two options that are there. There's some
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: softball season. There's softball, like how to snap the ball
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: better and stuff like that on my feed. Or there's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: NFL highlights or anything. Like, hers is probably just a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: disaster feed. I want no part of it. Have you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: thought about that ever? Do you ever think about that?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Just me.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: No, I've had that, actually, where my wife is like,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: let me see your phone. And she's, like, looking, doing something,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: usually trying to find her phone because she can never
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: find it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So she's like, let me see your phone. And I've
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: got whatever Instagram pulled up. And she's like, oh, really?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: This is what you're looking at?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the algorithm. The algorithm. I just don't care.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I'm looking at her. Yes, she looks good.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: It's dogs.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It's like animal attack videos from people on safari.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: It's food stuff.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of German Shepherd videos, and I've
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: realized that every German Shepherd is the same. I paid
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of money for mine. It's the exact same
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: as every other German Shepherd. Genius. My wife doesn't have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a phone problem, but I have a question for you.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Let me end with this. I know we're running long here.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Do you have, like, a phone tracker on your wife?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Because I don't track my wife's phone, and I feel
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like I'm in the extreme. She doesn't have one on me.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't have one on her. We have them for
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: our kids and their Apple Watches and, like, their backpacks
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But I don't track my wife's location. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: have no idea where she is at any given point
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So we do this specifically because my wife can never
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: find her phone. Okay. she will be like, where's my phone?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And she'll take my phone and find out where her
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: phone is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: But if it's in the house, it doesn't say what
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: room it's in.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can play the little alert. If you've
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: got the find my.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. I think Meredith likes a little secrecy. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that's just because she doesn't want me to know she's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: at work or something. I mean, not that I would
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: ever check it, but people think it's the oddest thing ever.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't have any find my
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: phone or whatever service that is on her phone. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: have no idea at any time where she is. I mean,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I assume she's at work, but like, I don't know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I've got, uh, I know where, I know where my
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: wife's phone is at least whether she's with it or
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: not is another question.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think she's probably with it. I would imagine.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: It just depends.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: If she got her, her, uh, bar mitzvah outfit yet ready.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Not yet. Not yet. We've got plenty of time. We've
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: got to save the date though. All right, buddy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Any last words? No. Is your game early this week?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: No, it's a night game. Oh, they're going to watch it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Sweet.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Arkansas is crying about it because it's 9-15 Central.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Their coach is like, we don't know how to get
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: our bodies ready because we're going to be coming out
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of halftime at midnight.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Don't talk bad about Ryan Silverfield. He's my guy.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I'm talking bad about him. He's crying.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: My daughter's softball game is at noon on Saturday, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Oregon plays at noon as well. Is it okay to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: have my iPad on? Like on the game in the dugout?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: 100% yes. Okay, that's what I thought. I'm not even
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: going to stand.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Pay close attention when she's batting.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: To her or to Oregon?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: To her.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You're the man. Thanks, Jeff. All right, that's Jeff Schwartz.