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#2531 - Forrest Galante · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Friend, Joe, it was good to say it. Man, bro,
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  Speaker 2: it's good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been sending you stuff because like we've been,
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  Speaker 1: I knew that you were coming on, and I sent
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  Speaker 1: you that one, Uh that video of the guy who
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  Speaker 1: got a trail camp photo of a black panther. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: So is that just a melanistic mountain lion?
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  Speaker 2: So just that it's a great question. There's never been
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  Speaker 2: a melanistic mountain lion. Nobody's ever seen one ever, never
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  Speaker 2: hit one with a car, never born one, captivity, nothing,
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  Speaker 2: whoa So mountain lions by definition, pumas, you know, whatever
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  Speaker 2: you want to call them. There's never been a black
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  Speaker 2: one ever. But every year, I mean, I got a
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  Speaker 2: buddy in Florida, I swears blind that he's seen a
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  Speaker 2: black mountain lion in his backyard. And yet that photo
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  Speaker 2: that you sent me, that photo circulates like once every
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  Speaker 2: three years. It's bullshit. It's a real photo, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a trailcam photo. Oh it wasn't this one, but.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's I think that's the first one. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's another one with the cat gets like right up
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  Speaker 1: to the ones. Yeah, that one.
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  Speaker 2: So that photo is a real I want to say jaguar.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to tell, but either jaguar or black leopard,
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  Speaker 2: both of which do become melanistic. And you can tell
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  Speaker 2: that because you can see the spots barely like the rosettes.
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  Speaker 2: So all these melanistic cats like like jags and leopards
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  Speaker 2: and things that do get melanistics, they still have those
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  Speaker 2: rosettes under the black coat. Yeah. So not a mountain
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  Speaker 2: lion too bad. I know, it's such a bummer. One
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  Speaker 2: day if somebody finds one, that'll be like a huge
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  Speaker 2: thing specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Funny that we want it to be different, because just
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  Speaker 1: a mountain lion itself is amazing. I mean, if they
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  Speaker 1: were all black and there was like a tan mountain line,
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  Speaker 1: be like somebody saw.
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  Speaker 2: It's like whatever is different and rare is what people
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  Speaker 2: just are. Like, I want that one thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've always said that about Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot is kind
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  Speaker 1: of interesting, but not as interesting as an orca, Like right, like.
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  Speaker 2: We have gorillas that are cooler than bigfoots.
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  Speaker 1: Well, orcas in particular because they have languages that we can't.
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  Speaker 2: Decipher languages, specialized diets some kind, do you know. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you know us kind of even talk to each other, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. Like it's the same as if you or
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  Speaker 2: I went to India or Africa. It's like we kind
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  Speaker 2: of communicate. We don't eat the same food, we look
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  Speaker 2: different and yet to us. And orcas and orca, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's super smart and huge brains and don't
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  Speaker 1: kill people for some strange reason except when they're in captivity,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is so crazy. I did a thing in
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  Speaker 2: Baja Mexico maybe three years ago where we were just
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  Speaker 2: cruising on this little ponga, this little fishing boat, and
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  Speaker 2: we saw these orcas go by. And now people seem
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  Speaker 2: to be doing it a lot, but at the time
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  Speaker 2: it was like nobody had really just tried this. And
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  Speaker 2: this was a transient population, which means they primarily eat
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  Speaker 2: seals and sea lions, not the sting ray eaters. And
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  Speaker 2: so we're like, fuck it, let's just go, and we
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  Speaker 2: like ran the boat up ahead and jumped in and
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  Speaker 2: the orcas came up and the bowl never came out,
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the bowl has a huge fin like
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  Speaker 2: he's the biggest, like the dominant protector of the pod.
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  Speaker 2: But the cows and their babies came up and the
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  Speaker 2: boat like drifted away and me and my buddy Mike,
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  Speaker 2: and they just circled us, like just looking at us
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  Speaker 2: with their big eyeballs and it was me to you
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  Speaker 2: from orcas And they did like two circles around us,
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  Speaker 2: Like what are these things? Then we're just like eh
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  Speaker 2: boring and kept swimming.
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  Speaker 1: They must know, right, if they're that intelligent and they
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  Speaker 1: have language and they communicate, they must know that what
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  Speaker 1: a person is, right.
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  Speaker 2: I think of this. Oh dude, I saw the guy
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  Speaker 2: that filmed this. This is so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Oorca headbutts of sunfish so hard it explodes.
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  Speaker 2: Boom, turns into pieces. So this is a newly documented behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Just in the last maybe six months, they've found that
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  Speaker 2: orcas will literally explode fish from impact, whether it's a
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  Speaker 2: game or what. But they're they're finding that this is
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  Speaker 2: not the first time this is done. They're doing this.
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  Speaker 2: They're starting to just explode these fish on impact. Just
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  Speaker 2: because how are they doing that?
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  Speaker 1: Like how fast are they going?
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  Speaker 2: I do not know the answer to that, but it's impressive.
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  Speaker 1: I would have never imagined that that would actually be possible, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how fast can I I'm trying?
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  Speaker 4: Like, what does the starfish looks like?
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  Speaker 1: Flat?
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  Speaker 4: Like a stinger?
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  Speaker 2: A sunfish? It's like a mola mola, those ocean sunfish
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  Speaker 2: with the big pretty huge, huge six hundred pounds. I
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  Speaker 2: get huge. It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I think literally turned to dust.
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  Speaker 2: Dude. I think I think those are the orca equivalents
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  Speaker 2: of like a redneck that wants to hit a turtle
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  Speaker 2: on the road and they're just like, we're bored, let's
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  Speaker 2: explode it.
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  Speaker 1: Or those guys that do that. Have you seen that game?
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  Speaker 1: What's not game, but it's I guess whatever. It is
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  Speaker 1: an activity where these guys just run at each other
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  Speaker 1: full blast, dude.
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  Speaker 2: RNC run Nation I love that are my favorite thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's such a huge fan. I love it because I
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  Speaker 2: played rugby, so it's rugby boys that are doing it right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like an Oklahoma drill except for rugby guys. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a drill that when I was playing rugby we
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  Speaker 2: used to do all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Just run at each other.
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  Speaker 2: You just run it. It's my favorite. Run Nation rn C.
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  Speaker 2: It's my favorite thing I watch every video. Look at
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  Speaker 2: these guys.
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  Speaker 1: I would have never they both just went unconscious. Look
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  Speaker 1: at that they both want to Oh that guy's that
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  Speaker 1: guy's fine. But I've seen it where they both get unconscious.
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  Speaker 2: I want to bring these guys to the US and
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  Speaker 2: see how they stack up against like NFL linebackers.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christy both head but at each other.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, dude, you love fight sports. What are you talking
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  Speaker 2: about this sport?
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  Speaker 1: This is just retarded.
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  Speaker 2: I'm such a fan. Oh that's so silly. Oh I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: To be clear, you see that you like that. I
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  Speaker 1: know too much about brain damage, and you should too
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  Speaker 1: if you like rugby.
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  Speaker 2: I've had too much brain damage to know too much
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  Speaker 2: about right now, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: But how long did you play rugby for? Well?
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in Zimbabwe and so, like Southern Africa,
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  Speaker 2: rugby is life, right, So it's like probably deep South
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  Speaker 2: football kind of culture. So I still play, believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not, except now I play very intermittently because one
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  Speaker 2: game puts me out for weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever got your brain examined?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? No? I have not only one concussion in my life,
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  Speaker 2: so I think I'm Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's silly because you guarantee of subconcussive trauma.
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  Speaker 2: What is subconcussive trauma?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you where you don't go unconscious, but you get
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  Speaker 1: rattled and then you have some brain damage.
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  Speaker 2: You're probably right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, soccer players get it. Really yeah, soccer players getting Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Yeah, that's soccer players, get it. I
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  Speaker 1: did not know that I'm heading the ball?
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  Speaker 2: So is that And you know a lot about UFC?
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  Speaker 2: Is that brain trauma worse than UFC type trauma?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's all brain trauma, and it's dependent upon many factors.
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  Speaker 1: It's dependent upon how many times you've been hit. And
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  Speaker 1: also there's a gene variation. It's a APO E four.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? If you have this one
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  Speaker 1: particular gene, it makes you more susceptible to CT for
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  Speaker 1: some interesting Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So like because a brain a concussion is when your
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  Speaker 2: brain sort of impacts against your skull. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: There's that, and I mean I think it's also it's
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  Speaker 1: not just that. It's like if you get hit in
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  Speaker 1: the neck, you can get a concussion. Also. Yeah, Also
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize you can get a
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  Speaker 1: concussion from getting hit in the body.
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  Speaker 2: Really, how does that work?
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  Speaker 1: Because get rattled? Yeah. Also another group of people that
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  Speaker 1: seem to get CTE are people who ride jet skis.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild. Oh yeah, does that work?
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  Speaker 1: Well? My friend Mark Gordon, he's a doctor who specializes
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  Speaker 1: in traumatic brain injuries and treating football players, soldiers, and
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  Speaker 1: he's treated some fighters as well. He said that any
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  Speaker 1: repeated stress, any banging, anything like that, head banging, Like
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  Speaker 1: if you're fucking head banging, yeah, like you're probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: get brain damage, no way, yeah, legitimate brain damage. Like
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what I was doing five seconds ago?
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  Speaker 1: Where's my keys? I forget what I'm talking about? Mid sentence,
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  Speaker 1: you're scaring me here. There are all things I enjoy doing.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoyed running straight at people for the last Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: just like those guys are animals. They're tough guys, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: And those Pacific Islands because those are the guys that
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  Speaker 2: are doing it primarily right, like they play rugby league
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. They're built different. Oh yeah, like they're so
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  Speaker 2: hard it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember David Tua. No, David Tua was a
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  Speaker 1: heavyweight boxer back in the day, who was like one
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  Speaker 1: of the most ferocious guys that ever fought in boxing.
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  Speaker 1: And it just just built like like your prototypical island
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  Speaker 1: warrior guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's David too.
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  Speaker 1: Just a tank.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to run it at that guy, I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling you what.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just a monster knock people out. And
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  Speaker 1: he knocked out John Ruiz like famously in the first
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  Speaker 1: round and like something like thirty seconds or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Was crazy different breed man.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy left fook. Yeah, that kind of guy. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've had a bunch of Mark Hunt, who's a famous kickboxer,
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  Speaker 1: was another guy that built like that. Yeah, just just
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  Speaker 1: wide as a fucking barn.
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  Speaker 2: There's like no waste, it's just like a brick, solid
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  Speaker 2: of the rock.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again playing rugby, I played rugby against guys like
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  Speaker 2: that and it was the worst.
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  Speaker 1: But those are the dudes that have the balls to
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  Speaker 1: get in a little tiny boat, make it across the fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Ocean and then kick your ass. That's what it is really.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you think about it like only the super
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  Speaker 1: robust survived, right, So it's like nature just weeding out
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  Speaker 1: any possible weakness. Only the strongest human beings made.
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  Speaker 2: It absolute natural selection to the African Americans that we
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  Speaker 2: have in North America, Like, those are the strongest, best
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  Speaker 2: guys that came over here, right, right, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: they're all the most incredible athletes at all. But you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's also like when you look at
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  Speaker 1: like guys from Iceland, the strong men. Yeah, so how
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  Speaker 1: many strong winner from Iceland? Well, how many fucking Vikings
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  Speaker 1: from icelide? Like yeah, right, It's weird when you think
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  Speaker 1: about it that, like nature finds its way.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It's like we think we're so
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  Speaker 2: different and above like animals and stuff. It's natural selection.
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  Speaker 2: We just bring the biggest, the best, and the strongest
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  Speaker 2: into some area, whether that's Vikings colonizing Iceland or or
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  Speaker 2: the Samoans on their islands or whatever it happens to be.
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  Speaker 2: And you're just like, well, here's a superior popular because
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  Speaker 2: we all the biggest, best and strongest have made it
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  Speaker 2: and all of the weakest have died off.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? Like you, as a guy who studies
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  Speaker 1: wildlife biology, isn't it weird that we want to think
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  Speaker 1: of ourselves as being a different thing, Like we are
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  Speaker 1: clearly not.
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  Speaker 2: We're not We're not even at the top. That's the
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  Speaker 2: thing that people never entered intellectually. We are obviously look
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  Speaker 2: at what we've built, but like we're not even we
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  Speaker 2: don't even sit at the top of the food chain.
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  Speaker 1: But we kind of do because we kill everything else
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  Speaker 1: if we want to. Well, because because we have yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well not even our brains. Really, it's other people's brains
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  Speaker 1: that invented guns. It's like true, that's such interesting. It's
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  Speaker 1: like our brains are our evolutionary advantage. It transfers over
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  Speaker 1: to people that don't have good genetics. Yeah, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: because you could be built like a bag of shit,
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  Speaker 1: like a literal bag of shit, and you can kill
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  Speaker 1: a grizzly bear or the rifle.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, kind of nuts, right, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You can just be sitting there on a ridge ye
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  Speaker 1: with a scope and boom, and you kill a twelve
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  Speaker 1: hundred pound Cody brown bear.
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  Speaker 2: Because all of our biological energy goes into this thing
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  Speaker 2: instead of being physically big or intimidating or any of
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  Speaker 2: those other things.
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  Speaker 1: We can transfer what we figured out onto other people,
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  Speaker 1: which is no other animals ever figured out how to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: No, isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: Wild? Yeah, it's really wild. Yeah, it's when you think
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  Speaker 1: about it, it's like what if you were studying us,
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  Speaker 1: If you were coming from another planet and you were
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  Speaker 1: studying us, you'd be like, wow, this one animal was
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  Speaker 1: fucking weird. Yeah, this one, this one's doing something different. Yeah. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: But they would still look at us and go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're definitely animals, Like look at them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you looked at the Earth from an
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  Speaker 2: Earth shot, you'd look at what we've done and be like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the top animal. But they're parasitic and colonizing
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  Speaker 2: the whole planet and changing things and manipulating things, whereas
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  Speaker 2: all the other animals are just getting by.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. If we found out that there were actual visiting aliens,
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  Speaker 1: that there was actual intelligent life from somewhere else visiting us,
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  Speaker 1: I think there a lot of us would probably be
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  Speaker 1: like why didn't you help? Yeah? Why why didn't you
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  Speaker 1: come along and say hey, cut the ship?
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me of the I don't know, do you
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  Speaker 2: watch South Park ever? Yes, there was an old South
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  Speaker 2: Park episode where Earth was like a reality show and
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  Speaker 2: it's so like, let's see who's getting along this week.
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  Speaker 2: The Zebras are fighting with the giraffes and the people
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  Speaker 2: are doing this, and it's like, it's like, we're just
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  Speaker 2: like a reality show for the universe where you just
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  Speaker 2: put a bunch of species. We're like a big big
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  Speaker 2: brother situation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we are kind of that for us. Oh tell
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  Speaker 1: me where we are? That's what a reality show is.
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  Speaker 1: A reality show for us is the world? Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. Did he die in a rocket accident? Or
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  Speaker 1: did he die? Was he poisoned by Russia? Let's tune
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  Speaker 1: in to Twitter and find out, you know what I
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  Speaker 1: mean exactly. Man, it's hilarious. We are. We are locked
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  Speaker 1: in on whatever the fuck is happening all over the world,
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  Speaker 1: all at once. And that's one of the weird things
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  Speaker 1: about social media now is that we're constantly being inundated
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  Speaker 1: with new things to occupy our attention, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And we have no attention span to watch anything for
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  Speaker 2: more than five seconds.
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  Speaker 1: But yet at the same time, this is the rise
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  Speaker 1: of podcasts, yeah, which your long form, right, So it's
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  Speaker 1: clear that that's not really the case with everybody. There's
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  Speaker 1: enough people that are interested in actual fascinating things and
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  Speaker 1: have an attention span. It's just like we're all susceptible
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  Speaker 1: to the brain rod that comes with just scrolling.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard, not like I've tried to make conscious decisions,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, you can imagine what my Instagram feed
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  Speaker 2: looks like, right, it's animal after animal, half of its
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  Speaker 2: AI now whatever, And I still try and make a
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  Speaker 2: conscious decision to not look at it, and I find
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  Speaker 2: myself just reaching for my phone and doing this. It's
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  Speaker 2: just we're wired into it now. Yeah, dopamine hits crazy and.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even really rewarding, which is really terrifying to
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  Speaker 1: me because it's not something that's like.
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  Speaker 2: Really feels great, and you barely retain the information. Like
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  Speaker 2: even if you watch an educational one where you're like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that was amazing, you barely retain that information because it's
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  Speaker 2: such a quick thing until you're onto the next one.
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  Speaker 1: At least for me, Yeah, there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: that in there for sure. But I think I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good algorithm lately. So lately, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: my algorithm has been really excellent. It's really dialed in
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  Speaker 1: where I'm only getting like really fascinating things of that
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's been great. That's way better.
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  Speaker 1: And then every now and then some retarded shit comes on.
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  Speaker 1: I just skipped through it real quick, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: gotta keep this algorithm going good.
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  Speaker 2: Or you text me at Bigfoot AI think Bigfoot funds
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  Speaker 2: are so silly. They're so bad.
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  Speaker 1: That's so silly. You actually texted me the Bigfoot one.
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  Speaker 2: Well it was the same guy, said the same guy.
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  Speaker 2: I texted you back. I was like, I don't think so, dude.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, this guy raised a baby Bigfoot in secrecy
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  Speaker 2: for ten years. So bad. It's so bad, so obvious.
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  Speaker 1: It is like a shitty AI photograph of like like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: a blurry polaroid photograph.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: And then you read the comments and there's like four
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: hundred people going like, oh my god, I can't believe
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: this happened. And you're like, come on.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Oh dude. Duncan and I back in the day, like
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve or eleven, whatever it was, when I
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: did that sci fi show Joe Rogan Questions Everything. Uh huh.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: We went and hung out with big to people. We
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: we actually went bigfoot hunting. No way, Oh yeah, we hung. Yeah,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: we were with them for a couple of days. How
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: is that woods the Pacific Northwest? It's kind of sad, Yeah,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: because the way I describe it, I said, here's what
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: you don't find when you go looking for bigfoot. Black people,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: you're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are Black
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: people looking for big Foot. It's just such a crazy,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: unfuckable white guys out in the woods staring at shadows.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: It's like making something out of nothing. Look at that leaf.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: It must have been here.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: It's just unfuckable, guys. It's really what it is. It's
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: it's unfortunately, that's really what it is. It's not that
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: there's not something to the story, because I think there
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: is something to the story.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's an old story.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: It dates all the way back to Native Americans.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Well, not just that. There's how many we we looked
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: this up before, Like how many different names there are?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: And I think it was more than fifty different Native.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: American Yes, that looks great.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: This guy is dead big by the way, you imagine
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: sitting that close to that thing, how bad that would smell.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's revolting.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I mean the thing's been dead for who knows how long.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: And this guy's just hanging out, yeah, taking a picture. However,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: look had.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Fun fact this guy was on your mom's house like
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: twelve years ago?
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Was he?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? What is he like?
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: A fun guy on Instagram as a dog trainer.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Tom found his videos a long time ago and they
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: brought him into a podcast with him and I.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Just don't know. I know who this guy is.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: No, what I got in a big foot?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: He has baking foot.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: The body of them that looks that's so bad, dude,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, look at these look at a smile.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I mean he could be just a full sapiric control with.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Oh he's into it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Look at this. It's a cake. It's gonna be a cake.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he saw it into it? Opening up Tom,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Oh he found a foot. Oh yeah, very real, very
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: real looking foot.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So if you kind trust a guy in overalls with
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: no shirt, who can you trust?
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Wait, guys are in great shape for his age. He
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: is looks looks ripped. It's out there lifting up fake
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: bigfoots all day.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: They're heavy.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I think there was. I mean, obviously we know that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Gigantopithecus was real, but we were reading about this the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: other day that it seems like Gigantopithecus wasn't by pedal,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and that there was some dispute as to whether or
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: not it was bipedal. But apparently there's some biologists that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: are saying no, it was most likely walked around like
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: an orangutan.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting. Huge just just oh wow.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Just a huge orangutan looking thing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Huh. No, I've heard of it. I didn't know that
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it wasn't by pedal though. That's fascinating.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's under dispute. I think I think it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: been disputed.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It's hard to say. They don't have a lot of bones, right,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: They only have like a few jawbones and some stuff.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Like of them. Yeah, dude, I learned something pretty interesting
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: this last week. So I I just got back from India,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: literally flew in here from India and we were doing
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: some elephant rescues with Ventaura, that big Indian wildlife rescue.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: This elephant got hit by a car that we went
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and rescued, so its leg was all jacked up. Speaking
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: of non bipedal things, so you would think just the
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: elephant would walk with a limp. Well, having that trunk.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: It's incredible they use that trunk as a limb. So
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I was watching this elephant walk. I wish I had
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: photos or video to show you, but I was watching
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: this elephant walk and it wouldn't put weight on its
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: leg that was hit by the car, so it would
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: walk with three legs and its trunk as its fourth appendage.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, which is.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: An amazing thing to see because you think of the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: size of an elephant's cranium and its head and the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: weight and in order to move that distribution off of
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that broken leg, it was using this trunk as a limb.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It was just it was incredible. It was really sad,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: but it was an incredible thing to see the way
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: they sort of figured out how to maneuver using that
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  Speaker 1: Is it broken?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know it went so we went to basically
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: so I work with this place called Ventura, which is
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the world's largest wildlife rescue and rehab center. It's unreal, dude,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it would blow your mind. I mean, like on a
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: whole other level, all privately funded by a not and Banni,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: this Indian billionaire guy, the guy who had the huge
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: wedding if you remember that at Justin Bieber sing at
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: his wedding and stuff. He's a great dude. Him and
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I are buddies now. But so he's funded this world's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: largest wildlife rescue and rehabit like it makes the San
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Diego Zoo look like a roadside attraction. I mean, it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like crazy big and so he does all these rescues, right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So the reason I'm telling you all this is they
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: go and respond to these rescues and then take it
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: into this gigantic world's biggest animal hospital that they've built.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So we went and rescued the elephant and now it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: probably by today back in Vanara. Yeah, here you go,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: and they'll be treating it. So this is long toy.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: This is the other one. We did two rescues.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: This one was.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Born with splay legs and then went into logging, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: so all the weight and stuff from logging to see
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the splay legs on the front there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Ouch.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, that was just incredible. But the short
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: answer is they do let people treat them because these
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: animals are raised by incaptivity by what's called mahoots, which
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: are elephant riders. And so really the whole dynamics really fascinating.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: So you grow up with an elephant as a mahoot
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in Indian culture, and then there's usually one or two
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: mahoots that spend their life dedicated to the elephant and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: all they do is ride them, log them. They use
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: them as tools, but they still love them very much.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's just they use them as a tool. Elephants obviously
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: aren't made to do that, so they break down over time.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So that's why it's legs or like that. It's from
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: carrying the amount of weight that comes from logging.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So that one would have been born with a deformity.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: But then yours of compounded weight and everything else makes
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: its legs like that. Oh it's crazy. And then yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: so we go and we take the elephants in plus
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the mahoots and take them all back to Ventar, give
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: them ahoots a full time job. These guys are sleeping
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: on mattresses on the floor, right, and then take them
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: back and it's a whole thing. Reform everybody. It's amazing thing. Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: oh wow.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So when they treat the elephants, like what do they
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: do for an elephant that has a broken leg?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So most of it's just pain management, right, because you
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: can only get so far. So the one that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Got hit by set them in a cast.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Uh not really, you know, it depends. I guess it
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: depends on the fracture. I'm not a vet, but I
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: guess it depends on the fracture. But what they do
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: is they have and Jamie, you might be able to see.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. They have this giant jacuzzie like imagine a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: jacuzzi the size of your building here for elephants, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it's their hydro therapy pool. So these animals that have
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: terrible arthritis or fucked up feed or bad legs like that,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: they just spend all day in the water because then
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: there's no weight on their limbs. Oh wow, which is
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: really cool.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Do they have medication like anti inflammatories for elephants everything?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Man, this place uses unbelievable Eastern medicine, Western medicine. This
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: crazy hospital. There's a lot of guys talking on their
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Instagram unfortunately, but yeah, yeah, yeah, look at that. Isn't
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that crazy? So they do these.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Amazing mine Oh fuck man.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a really really cool place and we
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: get to do some fun stuff. So I was really
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: privileged to be part of those. Elephant rescue is really
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: emotional when you see an animal like an elephant that
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: has so much like intelligence look you in the eye
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and be like, I'm in so much pain, and then
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you like start to relieve it. It's cool.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I went to visit this place in Thailand a few
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: years back that has wild elephants. So they're wild elephants,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: but you can ride them, and that you feed them,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so you make you have you make friends with them first. Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: like you feed them sugarcane, you hang out with them,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you pet them, and then they let you ride them
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and they put their arm out like they're like.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Good, yeah to walk out to go ahead.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I let you know, like, Okay, I didn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like the riding part. It felt wrong to me. It's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: just like it's a thing that like all the tourist died.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: But my family wanted to do this, so I said, okay,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but it's okay. But the animals themselves are so sweet. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they're like when you're hanging around with them, they're like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they're so one of them. I got a video of
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it on my Instagram. She was just like eating a log.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: She kept chewing on this log and I'm just hanging
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: out with her and I made this like video with me.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, she's eating a log. I don't know why
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: she's eating this log. But so she's really sweet. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it wasn't it was it was a weird. It's a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: weird relationship. That they have and then you wash them
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: at the end of the trip. Yeah, so you get
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: them in the wa they get in this pool, this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: big pond yep, and you can just wash them and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: hang out with them, and they like it that you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So it feels good to them and they're like thank you, well, no,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: thank you for carrying me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: There's good in bads. Like, I mean, elephants have been
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: used through history right in war, in logging and circuses
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: everything else. But now I would say in the last
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: twenty years, we're finally sort of waking up to hey,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a lifetime of being on an elephant's back. Like you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: can see the deformities, you can see the bed swords,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you can see the hip displays or hip issues.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: From carrying people. Yes, they're carrying people.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: They're just not designed for it. You know, they look
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you think they are when you look at them, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you're like, what could have you know, We're like an
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: ant on that thing's back. But it it's pretty.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Hard on them.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And the hardest part is actually not you or I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: or anybody riding them. It's walking on concrete because elephants
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: have these soft, padded feet. They're not designed for rock
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: hard grounds, So the impact of walking on pavement is
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: actually that compounding with added weight. That's what's actually so bad.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: About the heat of the camp the asphalt too, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: their dogs like dogs hate the heat of asphalt. It's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: horrible for them.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And the weirdest thing about an elephant foot if you
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: look at its anatomy, they're one of the few animals
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that walk on their toes, so they don't have toes
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: splitting out like we do. They walk on top of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: their toes, so that, you know, imagine that compounding on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: heat plus weight.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Close up. I guess it was weird.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It's a weird animal. Yeah. Isn't it cool that they
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: thought that that's what a cyclops was when they found.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, because the skull.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they cideclops were a real thing.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Dude, have you ever seen Have you ever been to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the Explorers Club in New York City? No, that's worth
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a visit.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You would love it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They have the Champawatt tiger there, like the most famous
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: man eating tigers.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: That's the one that killed like four hundred and seventy
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: six people. Yeah, yeah, is that the number? I actually
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: have it on my YouTube and I don't remember the name.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: More than four hundred people.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And then Jim Corbett went and shot at yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and he almost named my son Corbett because I love
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that story so much. But they have the only four
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: tusked elephant at the Explorers Club in New York City.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: WHOA.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, Jamie, you can find a picture of the skull.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows why, total anomaly. Nobody's ever seen it. Nobody
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: knows why. I think it's the only one in existence,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and it literally has four tusks coming out of it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Just a weird genetic thing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I think. So like that display legged one, we look like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, Sometimes with elk they'll get an injury when they're young,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and then they'll get weird deformities of their their antlers.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: But is that different because they shed their antlers every year,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: so they grow back in weird ways.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think it's an injury to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the skull, so an injury to like the area where
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the antler is. Like sometimes they just have one sword.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Like there was a ranch that in California that had
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this one elk that was killing all the other elk
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: because he didn't have antlers. The same way. Oh they
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: got a jetti skull. Did you find that, Jamie?
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Even interesting things you can see there?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting, sure, that's yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So this one elk had on one side he had
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like normal antlers, but the other side he just had
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a spear.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And so he was just stabbing all these other elks
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and it was killing the other because this guy doing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't like they're used to their antlers interlocking,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of course, and this is the thing. They get together
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and they clash, of course they try to impress the ladies.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there he is. Look at that, all the tusks.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It's so weird, very weird. Four and they're they're like weird.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: The way they're in they're going towards each other's weird.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Which makes you realize it's a genetic deformity, right, because
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it's not like this perfect symmetrical like nature made it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It's it's just it's a mutation of some kind.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Well that was weird about jeans, right, Like things go
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: wonky all the time. Someone's born with an extra arm,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: like okay, yeah exactly. Sometimes people are born with tails
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and you're like, ooh.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It's so weird, dude, you. You and I talked about
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: barbarussa one time. The pigs that have those crazy.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to go into their own skulls.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: My buddy who's a vet, he just cut a horn
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: out of a sable antelope. It was growing into its
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: own skull. Oh god, it's great. I have a video
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: of it on my Instagram jam if you want to
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: see it. But it's it. So it got an injury,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: so it killed part of the horn. And you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: they're antelope, they're not deer, so they don't shed their
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: horns so they grow forever. So this guy had this
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: giant horn just circling back, punching into its own skull.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? It was gnarly?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: The pigs are nuts though, or whatever that animals called
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the barbarissa. Is it a pit? It's technically a pit.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a Indonesian warthog.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the way it goes into its own skull
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: no matter what, like it always happens.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have to fight and break them off.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And if they don't fight and break them off, it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: just it's just nature's so weird, man.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is fucking crazy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: They're so cool.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder what those things taste like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I bet they taste great. I think all the swine
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: tastes great.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: M I had to have a lean of you, which
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is not technically a swine, it's a peckery.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't that good?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Not good? No, huh, that's unfortunate.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: It's odd. Yeah, yeah, it's like, no, just not the best. Like, well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you got to think of what they're eating.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You know, for what I know about happenings, they eat
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: garbage primarily.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's part of the problem, because that's
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the case with bears, right. Like my friend Steve Ranella
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: cooked a bear steak or a bear ham on his
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: friend's smoker and he said to his friend, he said, hey,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you should probably clean that smoker. It smells like fish.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: He goes, I've never cooked fish in that smoker once,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and it was just from the bear. The bear had
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: eaten so much fish that as he was smoking the bear,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: all you could smell was fish.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: That'sgusting. It's like eating a seagull.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that's going right into his head.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: That's the guy.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh that's nuts.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And it's yeah, he like cuts the horn off and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you can see because the horn is a living thing, there's.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Always that animal still alive.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Barely like they he had millimeters of growth to go
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: before it punched right into his brain. Crazy gnarly.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: That's so gnarly. It's like digging in. Imagine that, like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: every day, just a tiny little amount more is growing
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: into your brain.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: It's got to be this constant pain where like it
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: just it just gets tiny bit worse all the time.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: See how much into the skull it went like it
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: was right there. That's crazy, so gross. I thought you'd
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is about me, Yeah, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: would like that, but I don't know. That is gnarly, man.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: That poor dude. Now he doesn't have any antlers yep
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: or horns, right is it technically horns horns? Yeah, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: he still got a brain so that helps well carry on, bro. Yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Nature's a motherfucker, dude.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Where's the thile scene? Man? What's going on?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It's gone pretty cold? Yeah, I mean so.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I was hoping you'd come in with new evidence.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I wish I was. There's a group that I've I've
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: been working with like called mammal watching. Like if you
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: heard a bird watching and they've been going into Western
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: pop win pop when you any, which is as you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: where I think there could still be a tiny population.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And uh so I'm working with them. They're giving trail
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: cameras out to guys. They're still hearing legends here and there.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But it's just I don't know, it's it feels like
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the legends are getting fewer and further between, like almost
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: over generational time, it's disappearing. If that makes sense.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a bad sign. Yeah, that means whatever's left
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: is probably dying off.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Right, if at all. Yeah, And I mean I still
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: hold out hope. It's something I've always wanted to be
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I want it to be there, but
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it just it feels like those bits of evidence that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: were compounding have all sort of started to fade.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: That sucks, I know, really, so a very interesting thing
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: with the incredible variety of wildlife that we have, that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: we're so fascinated by the ones that might not be alive.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: This like the things like the Thilocene or the giant sloth. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Like I remember I watched this documentary on the Giant slough.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: There was this one scientist as a biologists who it's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: spent an inordinate amount of time, like years in the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Amazon looking for a giant sloth, and was realizing at
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: some point in time during the documentary then he might have.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Ruined his career overdoing it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, he might have been chasing something that doesn't exist.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And it's this wild gamble if he listens to these
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: people and they're telling them the truth, right, because all
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the natives are like, oh yeah, bro, they're out here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right around the next time, you'll
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: we'll find him tomorrow mountain. Yeah, I've been there. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you know, if you don't follow those leads, like do
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you know what the sala is? The Asian unicorn?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I've heard that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing, same story, but real animal. And you
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: know there was there was basically one ever seen by
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Western science, an animal named Martha. And for years scientists,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Western scientists were going into Vietnam and lass they're going, yea, yeah,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we we have this thing called the sala, the Asian unicorn,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and they're like shut up, you know, and then all
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: of a sudden turns out here's this giant bovid that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: still exists.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: What a cool looking animal too.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And nobody knows whether they still exist now at
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: it right there, that's it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So basically there's been three or four maybe more that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: have ever been seen, most of them caught in poachers
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: snares like this one. But then really cool guy named
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Bill Robaschod got a call once from a prince and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: he had caught one and it was in his village
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and he flew in there and overnight the poor thing died.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And that was the only time a single Western history
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: has ever seen a live salah. And this guy had
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: it and then and then he's like, can we please
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: preserve it? And the king was like, now we're going
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: to eat it? And they ate it. WHOA got nothing
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: out of it? Yeah, he's got pictures and stuff, so
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it's all. It's all real. But they call
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: it the unicorn because its horns are so symmetrical that
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: when you look at it from a side profile, looks
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like one horn exactly.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very cool. But it's a bovid. It's a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it's a cattle. That's that's not one. I don't know
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: why they're using that photo.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Oh how odd.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the same thing as these you know
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: these things around giant slots and Thiloscene and Bigfoot and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: everything else. It's it's they are out there, you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: some of them, not all of them, but they are
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: out there. And if you don't follow the lead, if
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you ignore it, then you miss things like that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Well. It's also like when you think about things like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the Amazon, Like if you ever see footage of the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Amazon from above, you go, oh, there's no way, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that's so big. You look down and you go, oh, well, well,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: there's no way you know this is this is way
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: too big. There's no way. There's a bunch of people
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: scouring every inch of that place.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, given there are still groups of human beings
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: uncontacted a lot.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: My friend Paul Rosie yeah, yeah, he's come in contact
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: with them, yeah, multiple times. See if you can get
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: some aerial footage of flying over the Amazon. I mean,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's in multiple countries. It's what is it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: It's crue Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's so big, it's huge, It's so fucking big.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And I had a similar experience in New Guinea talking
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: about Thioscene, where we got on a plane in place
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: called two Fee and flew to another area, like, look
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: at this, It was just like this for four hours
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: we didn't see one.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Building Amazon and four k So just like, there is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: no fucking way you know you know what's in there,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: No way. There's probably a bunch of shit in there
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that no one has found.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And then there's undeniably there are and then there's stuff,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: you know, like you'll get a kick out of this
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: locknest monster? What do you think it is?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe a sturgeon or something like that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Jamie, what do you think a locknest monster is?
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they know, but.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Uh, probably, I don't know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Whale dick what whale dick? Whale dick, whale dick pull
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: out locknest monster versus whale dick look at this and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: tell me this isn't what they think is the lock.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, do you mean like the photos that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the hoax photo of the one that's poking out of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the water.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: That one. I mean, you'll see it in a second here,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I think, but there are these photos of a whales
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: penis compared to the locknest monster, And I mean, I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that's certainly not proof, but it kind of answers a
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: lot of like, that's a whale deck right there.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: That is a whale dick. But that photo I'm pretty
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: sure is a proven hoax.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: That one is.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that photo was like a guy like
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: made something in of wood and like floated it in
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the water and took a picture. Is that what the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: story behind that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: There's something along those lines.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: No, locknest monster isn't a whale penis.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Professor says, Oh, okay, Well if the internet professor says.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It, then oh a professor, Oh, let's take him seriously.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: He's out there.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: If you're the type of professor that they call upon
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: when they're trying to figure out something's a whale dick, maybe.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Sir, would you please study these nine whale penis and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: tell us your thoughts on this.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's what happened to the It was his claim,
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: and then he said he was just like kind of
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: messing around.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sticking with it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like, well, he's the guy that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: proposed it. Oh darn it. I like his series walked
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: back his salacious claim. That's so funny. Maybe that's the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: guy that was looking for the giant sloth. He's like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I need a new angle. This giant sloth thing.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Did not pan out. I like it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: If you're a guy looking for a giant sloth in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the Amazon, like where do you look? Like? Good luck
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: finding it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You have to find geographically isolated areas, you know, because
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they're little pockets, right, if little pockets of Okay, people
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: aren't coming in here, animals aren't going out. There's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: big ring of mountains, there's whatever it happens to be.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I met a guy who said he guaranteed he knew,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: you know, all these people like this, But I always
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: enjoy the story of it that there was this pocket
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: in Peru that was completely geographically isolated by the mountains,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and that's where they were. And the idea is that
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: these areas remain unchanged. Right, It's like an island basically
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: in the Amazon, like things just don't change because it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: so isolated from everything else.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the idea also was that giant sloths,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: where we know they existed in North America, that whenever
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: whatever happened that ended the ice age, the younger, driest impact,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: that it didn't affect things below the equator or the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: equator was more of a northern hemisphere thing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the climate shift was so much stronger.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly, and so the most of the animals that died
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: off if you look at like the I think it
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: was sixty five percent of North American megafauna died off
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: during this very short window. That that didn't happen right
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in South America, right, and that we're just guessing that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they're dead because if there was a healthy popul Like, think,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: how many tigers are there in the wild, I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: there's five.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Thousand something like that. Yeah, it's gone way up, by
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the way, it was down to four hundred.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Fun fact, more tigers in captivity in Texas, I know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: than there aren't all of the wild of the world.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: It's Texas crazy, man.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It's such a lot of people's yards, in private collections
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: in Texas. There's more tigers than all of the wild
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of the world.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's such an insane statement that should not exist.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this date.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: It's just my favorite place away with it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: It's just a wild place, like for all intentsive purposes.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hilarious wild for people, dude. I love Texas.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Every time I come to Texas, I'm like, this place
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: is great. It's always fun everybody's so nice too, exactly.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That's the best part. It's like nobody scowls at you.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You get in the elevator and they're like, hey, how's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: your day going, and you're.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Like, very friendly.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you how it's going.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Very A lot of people, especially coastal elites, it's like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to say, like people coastal snobs. They have this idea
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of it being like filled with rednecks and ignorant people
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and foolish people. It's yeah, not that away at all,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: especially Austin. Austin is like one of the most like liberal,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: easy going, progressive cities. Yeah, but like even the progressives
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: here they're like more reasonable.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It's like down to earth. Yeah, it's not like extremism, right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Well, they they're definitely more crazy than they were twenty
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: years ago when I first started coming here. Okay, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: way less crazy than like liberals in La yeah, or
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: liberals and cow or liberals in New York.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Just where they're where it's just extreme right protests and all.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: These Well, it's like this, there's a saying about Austin.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Keep Austin weird and surrounded and surrounded.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: What is the surrounded.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Surrounded by red people like it's all red states around you,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and this this pocket of blue that's in the center
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of this red state. I think that's good for everybody.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's good. It's a balance. And the like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the liberals that want to turn Texas blue, like, don't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: you're going to ruin it. You're going to ruin it
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: for you too. You don't get it, Like balance is important.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, you can't kill all the predators because then
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the deer will get overrun and you're hitting them with cars.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And you can't kill all the deer because then there's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: no food. And I mean that's what they did when
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: they are market hunting balance, and you need balance with
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: humans too, And the Austin balance is a great balance.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: It's a liberal city surrounded by like hardcore Republicans with
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: guns and tigers.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And it works.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: It all.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It works. It makes for nice people.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: It's like it's a good mix and a misunderstood mix.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: On the outside. They have a very distorted perception of
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: what Texas is, especially Austin.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how do you feel as a California I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: mean you've bounced around, but as a California transplant, did
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you bring your sigeballs and you're you know, you're like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I need all that California stuff here.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: What stuff?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, I don't know. That's like
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that's the thing though, right, it's like all the Californians
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: coming here and messing it up kind of thing.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I was never one of those. Yeah, So my what
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I got out of California was the comedy store and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: work and then jiu jitsu. So like you get all
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that here. Austin is arguably the jiu jitsu capital of
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the world right now.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh yeah, Oh that's interesting. Is this where the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: new league is based out of?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: No, that's you mean the UFC League. Yeah, No, that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in Vegas. They do that in Vegas. Ye, because that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: where the UFC's headquarters are. But Austin has King's World,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: which is Gordon Ryan's play. It's got b Team is
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: out here, Shan Jibra Hibbero's out here. There's a bunch
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of grazy Baja schools out here. There's multiple tenth Planet
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: schools out here. It's like there's an incredible amount of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: jiu jitsu out here.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is this is where to bring
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: run nation bring it to an't eat that.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: They'll never win. The only people that are gonna win
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: are those wild New Zealand dudes, those Australia guys. Those
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: guys will win every time. They're built for that shit. No,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's just a great city period. Artistically,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: it's always been like a great music city. Now it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: arguably the comedy capital of the country.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's so many comedians here now right.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: It's because they've got here and they went, oh, this
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: is way better. There's no traffic, everyone's nice, yeah, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you could do whatever you want. And also there's a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: lot of places to do comedy and yeah, just on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: my street where my club is, there's five or six
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: other clubs that have opened up since we opened up.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. So it's incredible. So if you're a young
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: comic and or an established comics that just wants to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: work out material, you could go go to my club,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you hop down a street to the Sunset Room, which
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: is my friend Brian's club right down the street, and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you can go down the street to the Creek in
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the Cave, an amazing club that's just two seconds away.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's like one block over if everything's close the vulcan,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: which is right there, everything's right there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's incredible.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: It's great. I'm glad you're so stoked here. I remember
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: when the first maybe the second time we hung out
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: down at your show in not Westlake, where was it,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Woodland Hills, right, and you were like, dude, I gotta
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: get out of here.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get out a long time ago. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: fun fact, we started the podcast because I was depressed
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: because I had to move back from Colorado. Oh really,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: So I lived in Colorado for a little bit, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: my wife got pregnant, and when she was pregnant, it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: was like, if you are an altitude, we're at eighty
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: five hundred feet level, it's rough.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And we went back to LA for a short period
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: of time and she was fine, yeah, and then we
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: went back to Colorado and she was sick again.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, And then we were.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Reading about low birth weight. Premature birth is a lot
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of like really bad things that happened to people, especially
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: if you're not acclimated. So you move to these high
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: altitude areas.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: By the way, working out there, when I worked out there,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was gonna die. And then
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I went to Philadelphia and I had to do some
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: gigs in Philadelphia and I worked out and I felt
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: like I could run through a wall wall.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: You just had so much you're much.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is incredible because the only time
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: in my life I've ever been altitude adjusted where my
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: body had adapted. Yeah, And I was like, there's as
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: this is a massive advantage.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder why fighters do it and you don't acclimate
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: being up at that height over months or anything else.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Oh I did. I certainly did, like I could work
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: out there, and I used to. I did jiu jitsu
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: in Boulder, So Boulder was I was in a place
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: called Gold Hill, which is eighty five hundred feet above
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: sea level and boulders like fifty five. So I was
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: doing shout out to a mall easton my friend a mall.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He was a jiu jitsu gym in Boulder. Great place.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And when I was training there, it was fine. I mean,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you train, but you definitely could feel it. It was
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and I had trained there once before when I had
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: come from LA and I was like, WHOA, this altitude
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is rough, Like it's like working out in Denver. You're like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: who you feel it, but not like you feel it
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: at eighty five hundred feet. Eighty five hundred feet was
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I'd do this, these kettlebell workouts, and I was doing
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it and I'm used to what it does, like I'm
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: used to be. And I was like, this is crazy.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: This feels like I'm drunk. Like I found I just
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: had nothing. It really felt like I drank a bottle
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of whiskey and tried to work out. I was so tired.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I went to the Himalayas like maybe four or five
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: years ago to look for red pandas up in the trees,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: you know, those cute little guys. And day one, I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: literally maybe made it four hundred feet and then had
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to sit down. And I was like, all right, we're
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: trekking for pandas. We're heading up into the mountains. We'll
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: find these pandas. And I just I don't remember what
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the elevation was, but I'd come from Santa Barbara where
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I live, which is sea level, to the high Himalayas,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and I I had to sit down like every fifteen
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: minutes the first couple of days.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: The most horrifying video the other day of this guy
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: who was on one of those summit hikes and slipped.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: His friends watched him slide like all the way down
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to just sliding down ice and snow and couldn't stop
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and couldn't and they just had to stand there and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: watch this guy slide away.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: What can you do?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was trying. He was making it to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the summit and slipped, Yeah, and slipped off the you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: just a very clear path and slipped off of it
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and just start sliding and you realize, oh, he's gone.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: He's going to go off forever.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrible.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I always want to like take my kids to do
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: these things with me, you know, And I'm like, I
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: want to take them to track and see the mountains
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: and catch crocodiles and do all these various things that
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I liked to do. And you realize it's like my
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: six year old can barely walk in a straight line
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: without falling down, you know what I mean, Like, imagine
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: taking him on a mountain track.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so scary. But on the other hand, like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you don't want to protect them too much, you want
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to expose them to a certain amount of danger because
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's good for them. It's good for them. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: it's good for them to experience. It's also good for
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: them to have like a broader understanding of what the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: world is, right, Like the world is a bunch of
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: different things, that's right. It's not just Santa Monica, that's right. Yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Oh there's Costa Rica, Like whoa, this is crazy. Get
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: these bugs? These are nuts like birds, like there's it's nice.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's important, it is, Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Because we live in a bubble. Like America's great. I
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: say this to my wife all the time. I'm so patriarch.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I love this country. It's great, but it's a bubble.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Everything's easy, it's safe. You can order shit on your phone,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it shows up at your house. You know, there's a
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: million restaurants to pick from. Obviously it depends where you live.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: But you get my point, yes, and then you get
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: out of here and it's like, okay, everything closes at
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: four pm, like go figure out your food, you know
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And then you're like, okay, well, now
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I have two kids who are hungry and we're in
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the jungle or it's you know, in a town that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: everything shuts down on Sundays or whatever.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: It's like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Figure it out. Those are important lessons for little kids
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: to be dynamic and figure out like how the rest
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: of the world works, and that they have to figure
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: out how to get things when it's not all just
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: at the touch of your phone.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Also to recognize that there's going to be times where
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you don't have food. Yeah, like, yeah, people are just
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: so accustomed to having food anytime they're hungry, and in fact,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes when they're not even hungry, bored so they start
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: stuffing their faces. Never existed in all of human history.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, dude, I just read You might be well
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: read on this, but I just read something interesting, the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: eight hour night of sleep. Yes, invented by a mattress company.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: You know about this.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was invented by a mattress company,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: but I do know that traditionally in the past, people
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: would do two sleeps.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, yeah, this was Yeah, so you know
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: about what I'm talking about. I just read this literally
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: yesterday and one of my doom scrolling things.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting because I did that a lot
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: when I was young, where I would wake up in
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and I just decided to
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: watch TV TV for a few hours and then I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: go back to sleep. But it was just for me.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: It was just like being indulgent because I was single
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and free and you know, twenty five years old and
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I had my own apartment. I'm like, I do whatever
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the fuck I want. Yeah, get up at three o'clock
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in the morning and watch TV for a couple hours
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and go to sleep till noon.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Why not sit around in your boxers, eat cereal? Yeah?
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: The myth?
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Oh it ish, god, damn it everything. I keep bringing
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: out the myth of dreams on all my stuff.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: I saw the same Instagram video you guys saw it,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: and I thought it was interesting too.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the myth.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think that might be a myth, But I think too,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I think the too sleep thing it was a way
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: that people would get up in the middle of the night.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: But you also have to think. I think a lot
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of people went to bed way earlier because it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Got dark and we didn't have electricity.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And there's a normal circadian rhythm where people get it
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: gets dark out, you eat, maybe hang out in front
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of campfire for a little while, and then you go
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to bed, right if you've ever gone camping, that's what
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: most people do. Most people don't stay up till four
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: in the morning when you're camping, not without booze. There's
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: nothing to do. You've got booze. You might be up
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: late telling stories and laughing, and if anybody breaks out
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: a guitar and you're fucked, then you're up all night.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: And you mentioned pandas, I was gonna ask you about it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Me and I had seen going around the same place
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: as that pandas are fake.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Did you see that zoo in China?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: A lot of people talk about that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Did you see the zoo in China that painted?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: They say that, But the thing is about pandas is
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that and I went down a rabbit hole this the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: other night. There were no depictions of pandas in like
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: ancient Chinese history. No, yeah, true, Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: They didn't show up until like god, I want to say,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it was like the sixteenth century or seventeenth century.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: That's bizarre. I wonder why that is, because you know,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: there were explorers going through the area and all of that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Well, the idea was that maybe they were engineered to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: eat bamboo, because bamboo if you think about it is
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like a very prolific print.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, like I have.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Bamboo on my property. That shit just grows, Like it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: crazy how well it grows, grows so quickly.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And there's almost no nutritional value in it either.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so here's the panda interesting. The claim is
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: largely true with nuances. So was it? What did you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: search into perplexity our ai sponsor? Is it true that
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: pandas aren't in Chinese ancient history? The claim is largely
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: true though with nuance. Okay, Giant pandas strikingly absent from
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: China's classical cultural record, unlike the dragon, which is weird
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: tiger crane. By the way, our conversation about it made
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: it to the view.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: You changed your status to dragon believer.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: It was so funny, joy be he believes in dragons, Like,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is wonderful, this is so good. Okay,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: so when did it happen? Unlike the dragon, tiger crane
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: or tortoise doesn't appear on ancient bronzes or pottery in
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Tang poetry, song paintings, Huan yu An, how do you
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: say that? Yuan drama, ming novels or q I n
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: G King Quing. Before the late twentieth century, it had
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: essentially no symbolic role in Chinese civilization. Its status as
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: a national treasure is a post nineteen forty nine invention.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: After pandas became famous famous globally in the twentieth century,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Chinese scholars went back and combed old texts looking for them.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: A few candidate references exist. The shi Jing Book of
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Odes and shang Xu mentioned a creature called Pi or Mo,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: which some modern scholars retroactively identified as the panda, but
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the identification is contested, and those same words were also
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: used for leopards, taper, taper, tape, Pierre, or mythical beasts.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Emperor when of Han second century BCE reportedly had a
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: mo buried in his mother's tomb, sometimes claimed as a panda.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But that's it's weird. That is very bizarre, fragmentary, ambiguous
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and rare. Nothing like the deep iconographic tradition around dragons,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: phoenixes or tigers.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Why the apps Rogan style claim, I've never even said
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: it before.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck you, how dare you perplexity? That is so funny.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: It's a Rogan style claim.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: I think is essentially on the podcast. Also it's listening
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: right now because I sometimes they'll bring in questions I've
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: asked from like last month, and I be like and
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I didn't. This is a separate search,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: but it's like all locked into the dart history.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Oh I. I asked it a question once and it said,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: as you have previously stated, no way.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA interesting.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I was trying to find out, like how many views
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: something had gotten. Yeah, and you're like, as you've previously
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I told you, Yeah, you're using me as This is
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: why AI is so fucked up, Like you're trusting me.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I'm trusting you. Don't trust me at all. I get
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: all my information from you.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Dude. That's so weird because it was weird because it's
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: not like, you know, okay, there's no mention of ducks.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I get it because there's ducks everywhere. Who cares, right, Like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: so why do we write about them? But it's not
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: something like that. Brandas were never so abundant that it
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: was not worth talking about.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see if where this theory? Who invented this theory
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: that they were engineered to eat bamboo?
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: So who did this engineering in this theory?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Well that's a question like, who did dogs? Right? Why
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: do we have dogs?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Which is really weird? You know why why I have
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a dog? He's a king Charles Cavalier, you know.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Those little adorable Yeah, he's so cute.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I love him to death. But he he's made appearance
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. Oh nice, he's uh the furthest thing
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: from a wolf as far we've taken a wolf, yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to make it so fucking adorable and cute, but that
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: is what it is. Yeah, it was at one point
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: in time a wolf, and somehow or another we engineered
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it down to a dog that's adorable and just wants
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: to cuddle with you and sit in your lap and.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Play and weighs twenty five pounds.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: So what happened and how did we do that? And
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: could you do that with a bear? And could you
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: get a bear? Then take that bear and make it something.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's the only bear that's a true herbivore
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's correct. Yeah, which is our bear? Yeah?
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Weird? So what have we done to their digestive tract?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: We've changed, yeah, and they're required like it's like koalas.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I think they only eat eucalyptus.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: That's right, yep, fucking weird, bizarre weird. Also has no
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: nutritional value and you probably know this makes them like high.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Basically I was.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Looking up who did it and started going on the
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: thing that it's not No one is known for the theory.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: It's because they're actually carnivores.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Oh they're a taxi say so, it's koalas. I think
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: are the ones that are pure herbivores.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: They definitely are, But they're not bears at all. They're marsupial,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: they just be.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Then they say they are taxonomic carnivores. That means taxonomically
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: they're in the order Carnivora, if that makes sense.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: So, but it says with a short digestive tract and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: gut microbiomes of a meat eater.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's interesting, so the vegans. But you could
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: selectively breed for anything to some degree if you had
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: enough time.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: But look, but that's the other thing, like why are
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: they so cute that I think of that? Because there's
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: so much cutter than any other bear by far, like
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that face even with the teeth out, horrible buddy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: They also have the best pr campaign in history, Like
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: they're they're the dumbest animals in the world. You know
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: this right?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know if that's the right terminology.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: But like, you can hand a panda and apple and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: it will hand you its baby. I'm not joking, dude.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: You can find videos of this.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Well, isn't that more evidence that it's raised that it's
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: been engineered because it doesn't have the instincts that a
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: wild animal would have.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Dude, their parental instincts are bonkers, bonkers, Like they will
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: drop their baby and go for an apple. That's how
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: zoo keepers take their babies away. It's dude, it's like
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: these guys are trying to go extinct. I swear to god,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: it's insane.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: So where did the theory come from? See if you
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: can find out where the theory came from that they
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: were engineered to eat bamboo.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: That's why I asked that exact question.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: It says, it's just well, just starts showing up on
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: my Instagram about three months ago.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Huh did Instagram? You never know what you're gonna.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Get, of course, but that's what's fun. Yeah, as long
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: as you don't buy into it, dude.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: The problem is even like me and what I do
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: as a biologist. I can I mean, i'd say ninety
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: percent I can tell, but there's a ten percent where
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I can't tell if it's AI or real or and
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it going, well, that behavior is wrong,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: so it has to be AI. But it's crazy what's
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: going on in like the animal space with the AI mockups.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Now, I watched one today where it was a will
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: to be so a leopard had jumped on its back,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and the wilde bees jumped into the water, and the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: crocodiles killed the leopard on its back, and then the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: wilde bees got away.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Totally fake. It sounds fake.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Wildebese is smart all of a sudden, so smart that
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it figured out all I have to do is get
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: to those crocs and the crops also like you're gonna run,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I don't like, you're gonna give yourself more problems.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Right, but going into the water.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, by the way, multiple crocodiles, So why wouldn't
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: they just eat you too?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: They would they just killed they would kill everybody everything
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: if they would.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Both of you are compromised. It's not going to just
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: grab the leopard on your back. It's gonna grab you too,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: because you can't get.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Away anything they can get. Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: but it was also fun. Yeah, exactly.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Also get away a different video.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so this is a that's a longer cut
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: of the video, but you can see by like the
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: saturation of the leopard and like the way the claws
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: are kind of like there's no claws. It's almost like
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: soft pawing it, you know what I mean?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Right right, my look how he's hanging on.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: This could be a video of a real wheel tobas
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: gettinged by a croc and it just added the leopard
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: to the back very well.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Pretty, it's pretty amazing. Look perfect.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now bro, that's real.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Stop, this is different.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: This one's different because this one will also by the way,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the wildebeest is doing way too well in that struggle. Yes,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: because when the crocodiles do get wildebeest, they get them quick,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: got them. This one.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Someone puts some time into this.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when the crocs get a hold of something, it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: really it's a wrap, dude. I just so much of
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: a struggle I just did.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not supposed to talk about this yet, but
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I just did this show for Discovery that I've been
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: working on for a couple of years where uh, basically
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I put myself in the perspective of prey, so I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: would have been in the perspective of that wildebeest through
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: engineering and doing all these like builds and stuff like that,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and I lowered myself into a pond of crocodiles. It
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: was insane. I had a cage around me, so a
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: very small cage. It was basically a coffin.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: May matter what though, what's a cage made?
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Whatever? The guy's in the world workshop could find I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: think steel.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Did we try it out first? No?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I mean we tested it with nothing in it, and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: we're like, okay, this is working. I could send it
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to Jamie iv it on.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: My phone, but it was it was not did you
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Man, Well it's like those shark cages. Man, those things
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: don't hold up. You've seen that before?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where they go straight through the shark cage.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's craziness. It's absolute craziness. I'll find here we go, dude,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: we did. I don't know why I did. Oh you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: know what, Jamie, go on the if you don't mind
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: going to Discovery Instagram. I think it's there. Good good
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: luck finding it. I can send you something in the meantime,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: but I think they posted like a short teaser of it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: It was nuts, though. So I'm in this little cage.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: We rigged up these cables.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Do you wearing scuba gear or so?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I had a scuba tank with me in case the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: thing broke and I ended up on the bottom. Sounds dumber. Outline.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: You have so much oxygen before they can.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Get yeah, forty minutes minutes before yeah, dude. And I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: was talking to our guy, so you know, TV production,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: So there's like stunt coordinators and all this stuff. And
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, so, okay, cable snaps. I go down,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I grab the regulator. I've got thirty minutes, forty minutes
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: in my tank. Then what He's like, Oh, I have
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: this grappling hook. We'll throw it, hook it with the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: grappling hook and pull it out. I'm like, bro, what
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: if you hit a log? He's like, hmm, I hadn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: thought about that. I'm like, how you getting me out
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: of here?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: That that easily could take more.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Than thirty of course you can take more than thirty.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: So you might have to get out and swim.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Oh I could, can you get out? I couldn't. I
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: locked myself into the cage. There was no getting did this. Yeah,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: it was pretty dumb. It was fun. It was cool though,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: because it was such a unique perspective. But I told
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: my wife when I got home from that one, I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I think this is my last year
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: of doing this shit. It's getting too too much.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Now. That's the thing about those kind of shows. It's like,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: it's not enough to just see the animals. You have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: to do something that makes it spectacular enough get people
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: to tune in, Like that Polar Bear one where the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: guy got in that big plexiglass.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Box that literally inspired the whole series. I swear, yeah, I.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Hate that video.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I watched it one hundred times. I know
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I don't hate it, but I hate the idea of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: it because it just shows you how predatory polar Bears
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: are and how they don't give a fuck. It's just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: trying to get at that guy.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? Yeah it's not.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I mean there's actively hunting him. Yeah. It's so different
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: than the other bears, which like if you get killed
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: by a grizzly generally, it's like you fucked up. Yeah,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: like you stumbled upon one that's all startled or yeah,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: or you startled it or you know, you zig when
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you should have zagged.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the city in Russia, the abandoned island
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: city where the polar bears have taken over? No, oh,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: you got to see this. It's incredible.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I've seen videos of Russia of people like getting chased
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: by polar bears in their town.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there's like the one where the guy
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: jumps on the snowmobile runs after him.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: And it surely gets away.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: There's a whole area in the Bearing Sea that was
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: a i want to say, a former mining town or
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: maybe fishing town, and people moved out because it collapsed
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. This place. Look at this, and the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: polar bears have just moved into town.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Oh they live in the house.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: They're living in the house. Look at this. They're just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: like they.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Took it over as a den, completely took it over. Ah,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that's amazing.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: They're just fully moved in, like living in the house.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: That's a drone shop. But this was not AI. This
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: was legit.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: They're so cool looking.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're the coolest.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: They're so interesting.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: How amazing. Is that though? Imagine like, imagine you're out
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: on a boat and you're like, oh man, we've been
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: saying for three weeks. Oh look there's like a little village.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Let's pop in there for a day.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Be a cool movie.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a good movie.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a bunch of people like, oh, we found a village,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: let's go there.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: You like head in and turn, you know, like set
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: up and the and then all of a sudden you're surrounded.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all polar bear. You're like, why is there
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: so much shit in this house? Yeah? Because they probably
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: just shit right in the house. So they're pawn at
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: the drones. Yeah, wow, look how cool. They're hanging out
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the window like, hey, Tom.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I'm on over, have a drink. You could put me
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: in the glass box on this island. This looks so cool.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: It is so cool. They're an amazing animal.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: They really are are.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: But they're they're so weird. They're so long too.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: I went and did a sort of a trek with them, which.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Where they getting food on that island? If there's the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: only ones.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: There, Oh, well they're the only ones there, but it's not.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: They're see all kinds of other ship they'll be hunting
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: all the marine mammals in the area.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're the cleanup crew.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: And they swim huge distances. Oh yeah, A couple of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: turned up in Iceland. Did you know that. Yeah, there's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I think two or three cases of polar bears that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: have swum from Greenland to Iceland. And as far as that,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it's not close. Obviously. I took
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: the vikings like one hundred years ago.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'll swim that far hundred miles? Are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: you hopefully this isn't a myth? Are you skinned?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: One says it was shot dead after it did it.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: In eight Yeah, and it swam across right, get off
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: one hundred miles? How crazy is that? Just take a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: swim one day and end up colonizing an entirely new place.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So it's like the David Gog of polar bears, bro,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I can make it feel no pain. Operation to kill
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the animals captured on film. Let's fucking go, gir old
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: video might not. Let's fucking go let's see that video.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I got it air a.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but isn't that craze? Two hundred miles swim as
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: a Bearah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: This says it might have well jumped off with just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: a piece of ice somewhere, So it could have you
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: got a little float, right, it could have hung out
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: for a little bit, sure, but still even fifty miles
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: it's pretty far.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Well, they can last so long with the fat that's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: on their body.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And they like snooze float. Have you seen that they like?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: They won't just like actively swim, they'll like kind of
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: like snooze float in between hunting. It's kind of amazing.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: In the winter they have so much fat you know that?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Or yeah, in the winter stored up getting ready to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: chill because they don't eat as much during the summer.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Am I getting this right? I think so that they
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: they like, yeah, you seem like snooze floating in the ocean.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they eat a lot in the summer to get
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: ready for the winter, right.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, their metallic I know they eat a lot in midsummer.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: They don't eat a lot. It's too hot for them
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: to actively hunt. Oh I know that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: How hot? Is it too hot for them to actively.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I went to Manitoba, Canada to go see them on foot,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and it was like seventy five degrees at the height
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of the day, maybe seventy and yeah, they wouldn't be hunting.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Polar Bears were frequently tamed during the Middle Ages. What
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: this snow bear has been captured alive in Iceland, but
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: since then, receding North Pole Ice is diminishing their hunting
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: and mating grounds and jeopardizing their survival.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Oldest siding in Iceland was eight ninety whoa sixteen years
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: after the first people got there.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: But what's crazy if you wow? What's crazy if you
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: think about that? Is all it would take if people
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: weren't There is two polar bears over the course of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: polar bear's lifetime to wash up on the island, and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: then you have a population of polar bears there right,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? The male swim's there,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: five years later, the female swim's there. Boom, there's a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: population of there's plenty of food.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: You know what an adventurous female would have to be.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Twelve fifty two, Henry the Third took delivery of a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: white bear sent to him as a gift from King
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Hakkan the fourth of Norway. He decided to keep it
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: in the Tower of London. The bear was either too
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: big or too exciting to be taken to Oxfordshire, where
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: there had been a royal menagerie at Woodstock since Harry
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Henry the first rain. What's more, it needed to fish,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: so the beast was sent to the tower, and from
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: what we could tell, it was well looked out for,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: although it had a muzzle and a chain to wear
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: while on land. The sheriffs of London were obliged to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: lay out more than a shilling a week for its upkeep,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: which added up over a year to roughly the expected
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: income of a night.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: What a wild story.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: They had no guns to stop and what the hell
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: would you do to him?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Bows and arrows, I guess, and spears. The bear had
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: a long swimming leash. The man wore waterproof clothes. What
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the keeper? It had a keeper? The bear came to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the Norwegian keeper, and the keeper was allowed to lead
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: fishing trips into Thames. How do you say that themes
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Thames which the tower sat. The men wore waterproof clothes. Again,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: build to the crown. The bear had a long swimming leash.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: There were salmon and the Thames in those days, so
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: while being in London was probably not half so pleasing,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the bear sitting on an ice floe in the Arctic Circle.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: It sure beat working.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: The way this guy wrote this is hilarious, by the way. Yeah,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: they do you know what a sloth bear is mean
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: as anything's there in Japan, right, India, India and into
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Nepal in that area amazing. They're like a perfect example
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: of not the size of the dog in the fight,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: but the fight and the dog because they're not a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: very big bear, but they will take on tigers and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: everything else. They a certain group I don't know the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: name of them, tribe I think in India used to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: capture sloth bears and they'd put a ring in its nose,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: like a nose ring, and then this barbaric It doesn't
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: happen anymore. But then they would take the bear onto
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: the street as a street performer. I just read about this,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: and they would light a fire and put like a
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: big sheet metal over it and then walk the sloth
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: bear onto it, so the bear would dance because its
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: feet were burning. Yeah, and yeah, they call it the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: dancing bears. I guess it was in Nepal. And yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: it's a horrific thing that people used to imagine doing
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: that though and being like, oh, this will be worth
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: a shilling or two.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Like well, bear baiting, they used to do that with dogs.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: They used to have a chained up bear and they
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: allow dogs to fight the bear.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: They did that with bulls. Yeah, you know they have
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: a chained up bull and have dogs attack the bull.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They used in South Africa in the early colonial days.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: They used to do with baboons and let the dogs
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: and the baboons fight and bet money on it. Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: People are so gross, it's crazy.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: But you know, like I always have this weird stance.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Do I agree with any of it? Of course not.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: But we wouldn't be where we were or and care
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: about wildlife and conservation if we hadn't made some of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: those mistakes.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Is that what that is a mistake? I mean it's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: also if you hadn't seen half of your friends get
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: cut in half by swords, you're probably your understanding of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: the value of life is probably completely distorted completely. Yeah,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: you're living in a horrific time. Everyone's dying of the plague.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Violence is entertainment, right, do you know what I mean?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Like that is something to do and life value is
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: incredibly low. Right, Life comes and goes.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: The Colosseum was when when was that?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I should but I don't.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand plus years ago something
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: somewhere around there, when they first started having these crazy
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: games there. Do you know?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: They used to flood the Colosseum and do ship battles.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: And I went there a few years back and we
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: went on a tour.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Is it cool?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Oh? It was amazing. Yeah. But it's also like you
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: stand there and let you try to take it in.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Like when I go to these ancient places, I try
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: to just like sit and just try to imagine, like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: when you're actually it's one thing to imagine when you're
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: looking at a photograph or a video when you're actual
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: in the spot, you know, like when you're in Athens
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, standing at the Parthenon and okay,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: what the fuck was this? Like? Yeah, what was this like?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: And that was like the center of everything everything democracy exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And also drugs. Those guys were high as fuck. They
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: were all doing drugs. Because we went to Ulysses Lusis
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Eleusis rather and uh, that's the place where they had
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the Ellucinian mystery schools and the people would go on
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: this trek where they wouldn't eat, and they would walk
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: from Athens and they would have these psychedelic rituals and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: you know you're in this place where they did it,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: you could like feel it. It's weird.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean obviously not synthetic. But were they were
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: just mushrooms? What wereelics?
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Totally no, But they have had a residue from some
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: of these clay pots that had ergot in it. So
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: ergot is a fungus that has a very similar psychoactive
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: effect as LSD. Oh.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Interesting, it's uh.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: I think it has lysergic acid in it. Like what,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: let's find out what the what? What? What? Actually, it
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: also kills people. There's been cases of ergot poisoning through wheat. Interesting,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: people have died. And they also think it's connected to
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the Salem witch trials.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Oh driving people crazy?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, so the Salem witch trials. I don't know if
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: this has been proven, if this is just a theory,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: but the idea is that if you have an early
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: frost and that some of the wheat survives, but the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: wheat can have this fungus on it that grows ergot.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: So this ergot.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Fungus, and so you're eating this wheat and you're making
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: beer out of it, and like everybody's tripping balls. I
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: think a fucking witch on accidental acid.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Yeah, probably, Like, man, this beer is really good,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: right until there's a witch and then you're like, man,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: this beer is bad.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Well there's also I mean, imagine, first of all, you've
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of crazy superstitions and people are afraid
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: of everything. Already, you don't know anything about science, you
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: don't understand it. Yeah, so this lot of fears, and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: then there's a lot of people that claim to be
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the wise people of the of the town and they
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: tell you crazy stories about witches and you're like, oh, which.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Is a real oh for sure.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: So lysurgic acid, amides, ergometrine, all these share lysergic acid,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: ergoline core, which is why LSD semi synthesized from lysergic acid,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: is chemically related to ergot compounds.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: And all of this comes from that mold on the Wen't.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: There a time where they they did it to people
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: on purpose? In France? I feel like this might have
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: been like a c I a thing. See if you
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: can find that story ergot. I think they they they
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: put because I think they were experimenting on the effects
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: of ergot. And I think they like picked a town
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: and said, let's see, because we know they've done that before.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: We definitely know they've.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Just hit whole place.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Is let's see, let's see.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Like we think about like what we found out during
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: MK Ultra that the CIA was running brothels and they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: would give the Johns lsd really it was literally called
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Operation Midnight Climax, And so what they would do is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: they would have these two way mirror set up. This
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: is proven this guy named Jolly West, who was the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: head of the MK Ultra, who would they say, let's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: find out what happens and you get people acid. What's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the best way. Well, you get a bunch of people
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: and do it to them in a way that you know,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: totally unethically. But this is the way. They're not gonna
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: tell that you did it to them because they went
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: to a whorehouse. No one's gonna admit they went to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a whorehouse. Right, So you get these guys, they go
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: to the get to pros, to the prostitutes, like would
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you like a drink? Like, oh, I love it, of course,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: hard hard work. Here. The guy sits down, he's thinking,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck, this is gonna be great. Oh my
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: candles talking to him. Do you find anything about the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: French thing.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Here?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: It is? I likely think of the miss Saint Esprie
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Cursed Bread incident of nineteen fifty one, long running allegation
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: that wasn't ergot at all but a secret CIA US
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Army LSD experiment. What happened in Saint Esprie, this small
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: town in southern France, Hundreds of residents suddenly suffered violent hallucinations, convulsions, insomnia,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: and psychotic episodes. Over several days, two hundred and fifty
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: people were affected, fifty were committed to asylums. Seven died,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: including some who leapt from windows convinced they could fly,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: or being chased by snakes and tigers. The official French
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: investigation blamed ergot contaminated rye flower from a local baker,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: classic ergotism. Saint Anthony's fire. That's another case of it.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Some later scientists, or maybe the same story. Some later
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: scientists proposed alternative culprits mercury, fungicide, nitrogen, trichloride, bread bleaching
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: agents or micotoxins from Aspergillus fumigatis.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I call bullshit on this.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: This seems like something where they test. Yeah, it seems
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: like a CIA. Two thousand and nine, American investigative journalist
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: HP Albarrea Alborelli Alborelli Junior published a Terrible Mistake arguing
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: that Pont Saint Esprie was actually a covert LSD field
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: test run jointly by CIA's mk YEA mk Ultra programs
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: and the US Army Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: with Swiss drug company Sandos, who first synthesized LSD, allegedly
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: supplying the compound. So His evidence included a declassified CIA
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: document quoting a Sandos representative saying the Pont Saint Esprie
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: secret is being discussed, alongside references to LSD. Oh, they
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: definitely did it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds way more likely.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: That's way more likely. A testimony he attributed former CIA
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: SOOD scientist Frank Olson, who died in a nineteen fifty
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: three fall from a New York City hotel room after
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: being dosed with LSD by his colleagues.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Put your assholes serious, guys, just dosed.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: At each other, it admitted an mk Ultra incident. Interviews
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: with the former US intelligence officials why most historians remained skeptical.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Serious pushback came quickly, so symptoms don't match LSD. Victims
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: had gangreen like vaso constriction, weeks long psychosis, and physical
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: necrosis consistent with ergot alkaloids, not a single acute LSD dose. Interesting.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: LSD is water soluble and heat sensitive, so baking bread
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: would degrade it. The Sandos cable albre Albarelli cited is
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: ambiguous and predates the incident In some readings. No corroborating
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: documentation has surfaced, despite extensive mk Ultra declassifications the nineteen
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: seventies Church Committee hearings. Yeah, but the problem with that is,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: like one of the one of the reasons why we
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: know about mk Ultra was evidence that they found that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: had been in storage. So you know, when you say,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: like Freedom of Information Act, they don't give you shit.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: They just bait you with a little bit here and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: there to go, oh, okay, they'll.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Just tell you we don't have any evidence, Go fuck yourself.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, look how hard it is to get the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Epstein files. This is a guy that was all live
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, right.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Where there were plenty of records of everything's happening exactly
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: and the internet. This right, this reminds me. Do you
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: know about the lime disease?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: You know about this, like the Plumb Island thing? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: seems exactly sious. I like, I'm not a huge conspiracy theorist.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: This one to me is like a no brainer.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also people want to say that lime disease
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: has existed forever, absolutely true, not to the extent that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: it exists today. Also not as contaminant, like not not
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: as as right.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: And like crazy crazy crazy sweeping out west.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Not only that Plumb Island. They were absolutely doing gain
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: of function research on tics and the idea was the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: reason why they were doing it. And this is this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: is all me what I've read. I don't have any
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: direct information.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still fun.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: But what they said was what they were doing was
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: engineering ticks with these diseases. So what they could do
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: is they could spray them from planes and they would
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: overwhelm the medical system of any like overwhelm a town
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that overwhelm their armies. You couldn't keep up, and it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: would they wouldn't be able to fight.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: That's right, and it could wipe out food sources. It
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: had like multiple implications. Exactly, yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: So now we have these fucking creeps from the World
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Economic Forum that are talking about the dangers of eating meat, right,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and about how people eating meat is what's wrong with them,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that's why it's accelerating climate change. All horseshit, But they're
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: saying it, and they're saying that he's almost a moral
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: obligation to create a tick, or to create more ticks
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: that would have this alpha gal in them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: The one that makes you allergic to me. Yes, So
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: they're saying that they want more of that.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, the guy was talking about not only that, I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: have a buddy who has it, my friend Evan from
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Black Rifle Coffee, one of my best friends, loving to death.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Evan has it bad and it fucks him up. It's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: not as simple as you're he's allergic to red meat,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: like it fucks up all of his blood work and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: his body's a mess.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: And he picked it up hiking and hunting tick.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: And he didn't know and he got he's got bit.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: My friend Burke Kresher, his wife's family, half of them
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: have this fucking problem. No way, yeah, yeah, Tennessee. This
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: uh is the Texas lone Star tip. It's a lone
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Star tickets, not the Texas Loan Star. But this one
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: tick carries this thing and they think that that might
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: perhaps be genetically engineered as well. It's crazy because there
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: was no alpha gal problem. No thirty forty years ago.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: It just didn't exist. Now, all of a sudden, it's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: like ubiquitous.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: It's everywhere. It's spreading too. It's yeah, it's crazy. I
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: never used to think twice about getting a tick. I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: get ticks all the time, hiking around and doing the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: stuff I do. I never used to think twice about.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Now I'm terrified out.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love meat.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm terrified of it now.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: It's not just the red meat. The lime disease is
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: fucking devastating early.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: It can fuck with you the rest of your life.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah. I know multiple people that have it,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: including Jim Miller, guy who fights in the UFC. He
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: had really bad jeez, and it fucked up his career
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: for quite a while. But he got his diet under
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: wraps and he figured out like what to eat and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: what not to eat and now he's fine.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Do you know about some of those other animal warfare
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: things they used to do, like the spy tech they
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: put in city cats. Do you know about this? No, dude,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: there's some amazing ones.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Spy tech and cats.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: So during World War Two, Jamie would have to con
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: from what city this was in. I believe it was
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: the Russians used to put little hearing devices in street cats,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: because the Brits would go and meet in back alleys
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: and have meetings, but there were feral cats everywhere, so
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: they'd have all these cats running around with these wires
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: in their brains and stuff, and these little little, yeah,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: acoustic kitties. That's it. The CIA, dude, How crazy is this?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Acoustic kitty was an Essential Intelligence Agency project launched by
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: the Directorate of Science and Technology in the late nineteen sixties.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: In the nineteen sixties, SO tended to use cats to
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: spy on the Kremlin and the Soviet embassies.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: In an hour long procedure of veterinary surgeon implanted a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: microphone in the cat's ear canal and a small radio
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: transmitter at the base of its skull and a thin
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: wire into its firm Oh my god, how crazy imagine
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: that you're just like having a secret meeting in a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: back cove, you know, back alley, and there's a cat
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: there just live streaming your conversation to the CIA.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Go back up a little bit here, it says, do
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the cat sense of hunger had to be in another operation?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: What interesting. First acoustic kitty mission was an eve drop
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: on two men in a park outside the Soviet Embassy
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. The cat was released nearby, but
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: was hit and allegedly killed by a taxi almost immediately.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: It was probably the thing was all fucked up. It
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: probably couldn't get out. It's like, what is in my head?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: They put a wire in my head? Schizophrenic cat? Howbo.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: This is disputed in twenty thirteen by Robert Wallace, a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: former director of the Office of Technical Service, who said
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: the project was abandoned due to the difficulty of training
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: the cat to behave as required, and that the equipment
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: was taken out of the cat. The cat was resown
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: for a second time and lived for a long and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: happy life afterwards. Lies.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come, you fucking killed that cat. It got hit
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: by a taxi, but it was fine.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: But I mean, more than one cat I'm sure, but
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: but this idea, the equipment was taken out of the cat.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: The fuck you did that? You you spent money taking
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: the equipment out. Did you really like did you just
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: kill the cat? Assholes?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Dude? There's a few of these and the bats that
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: would light fires, you know about those ones?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Hold up? The military did not give up on its
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: use of animals as spies. As the two thousand and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: six the Pentagon requested a creation of a cyborg cyborg
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: insects for use in espionage. The request was made by
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: fucking DARPA, of course, of the Pentagon scientists had cal
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: Berkeley responded by creating a controllable cyborg beetle in October
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: What, there's a cockroach under your carpet here listening to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: us somewhere right now.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: They're not going to hear anything other than the stuff
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: we already talked about.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeahs true, true, true.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: The wonderful thing about having such a retarded show. Yeah,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: whoa look.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: At this, Look at this, Look at this as a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: fucking battery. And the beetle, come on, look at a
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: microchip on its back.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: It's amazing that the beetle can live through all this.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. That's wi old wow.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: And then I guess as these things have gotten smaller
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and smaller as ships and battery technologies and crew of course,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: think think.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Of your cell phone and O nine compared to now.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, fucking wild man.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a few of these. They used to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: light bats on fire and then they'd send them to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: roost and then they'd burn down whole towns and things
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: like that. That's going back even, dude, there's spy pigeons
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: where they put cameras, like, there's a there's a handful
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: of these that the CIA tried. What they do with dolphins, Oh,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: like the you know, the whole the not beluga. What's Yeah,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: it was the beluga, the Russian spy whale.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I was talking about dolphins. They
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: used to detonate things.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, tell me about it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: They used dolphins as like literal distributors of warheads.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Oh really, get a.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Dolphin to go somewhere and then they blow them.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Up no way like at a Kamakazi dolphin. I don't
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: know the.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Exact details of it because I got sad when I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: was reading about it. I have a deep attachment to dolphins.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I fucking love dolphins.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I always say anybody who hates dolphins has to be
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: a bad person.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I've had some experiences with them. I had one where
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I was like really high on edibles in Hawaii and
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: the dolphins would jump out of the water near the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: boat and they look at you. Yeah, they look at
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you when they were jumping out of the water, like,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: look look at me, like, look, we're doing this thing.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: And they're literally just playing.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: They're playing, yeah, playing, because they came to the boat
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: and they were jumping in the wake of the boat,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and the more you would cheer and yay, look.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: At that they.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Were doing it and they were having fun, And I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: was like, these are incredible creatures.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, they totally pick up on your energy.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: So the Secret Dolphin Program began in nineteen fifty nine
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: detect underwater mines and enemy divers. But I think they
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: did stuff where they.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: Mean whether this is correct or they just like the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: one in the history it says that they didn't do
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: anything to harm humans or engage in combat. They like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: telled their handlers to do it.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: The one that I've heard of that.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: They had they were just signifying in dark water, because
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: they could see stuff better than our current technology back then.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: So they would echo, locate and say, yo, we got
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: something over here, come check it out.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: That's what this was. Well, how does the dolphin communicate
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: that back to the people, and how does it know
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: what the person's intended? That's pretty good. I think there
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: was some speculation that they actually used them as weapons.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Though, Well have you seen not to transition off dolphins,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: but Vladimir, Vladimir, the Vladimir, I don't know, the Russian
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: spy beluga. No, okay, this is a real thing, like
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: like one hundred percent. This one's real. So there was
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: this beluga whale named Valdimir Vladimir or something like that,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: and he turned up in Norway, and he was escaped
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: from a Russian spy program, and he had a harness
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: with spy gear on him. This is him right here.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Look see the spy gear on him. It's like a
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: whole thing. And so the Russians had been training this
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: whale as a spy and had harnesses and spy equipment
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: on him, and then he just pieced out and and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: turned up and I want to say Norway. And then
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: they followed him for a while and then he mysteriously
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: got shot.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: Mysteriously some things with the dolphins, like with the dolphins store.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know if this is accurate, but I did
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: read this one time that we would like, if we
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: knew Russia was doing this, we would put some paperwork
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: out that said, well, we've got dolphins that are, you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: blowing up mines.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Right, so you guys now you got Now we gotta
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: figure that out.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. It's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: like you never really know what's real. Right. How cool
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: the bluega whales look though, Look at that thing that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: looks like an alien.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're super super I mean, look at that.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: That looks like if we have come to your planet.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: They discussed your use of nuclear power, and.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: You would talk in that very calm tone.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: That looks like something that would be very calm.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: No, that was a yeah, this was a crazy So you.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Know that John Lilly research with dolphins. Do you know
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. John Lily is the guy who invented the sensory
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: deprivation tank.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he do have one of those, Yes.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: We have one over he Yeah. John Lily was the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: man who was the inspiration for the movie Altered States. Okay,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: so John Lilly, who was this really interesting guy and
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: was famously like out there with psychedelics, like he would
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: he would take intramuscular doses of ketamine and jump in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: the sensory deprivation tank.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh damn, yeah, trying to unlock brain things.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: My friend Todd actually did it with him.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So John Lilly, who was also a pioneer in
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: interspecies communication. So they were trying to figure out how
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: to communicate with dolphins. So they set up a house
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: and this lady lived with the dolphins in the house
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: to get the dolphin and trying trying to coach the dolphin.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: And the way like literally she lived in water, so
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the water was like, you know, four feet deep, and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: she lived with this dolphin. The problem was the dolphin
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: was super horny, and so the only way that she
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: could get this dolphin to cooperate was she had to
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: jerk him off. Yep. So she was jerking off the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: dolphin and somehow or no that they found out and
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: they cut the funding for research.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: But she had to do it.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: That's what I said, you gotta do it. That's the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: seems like she liked it though. Look at her, she's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: hugging them. She's like yeah, I mean after a while
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: she probably did enjoy a little bit.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, what else are you gonna do? You're stuck
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: in a tag with a dolphin?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: The girl who talked to dolphins? So is there a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: documentary on this? Oh? Let's uh? Is there a clip?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Is it like blurry? You see her hand moving.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Water turning white?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: So I guess. But if she jerked the dolphin off,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: then the dolphin would try to talk to her. But
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the thing was, you can't really get them to They
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: can't make the noises that we want them to make.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: They don't have the ability like it gets it.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: But it can't like the vocal cords aren't there? Right,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: right right. That's one of the things where AI may
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: actually start to make a huge difference, right, yeah, right,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: because they are able to decide for a lot of
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: like cetacean like dolphin and whale lane language now and
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: with enough of a database, they'll start to be able
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: to say like this is this means this, this means this?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Have they actively deciphered It's so.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: It's coming up to so base, you know, AI works.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: You have to train it on something.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Is this the lady? She looks like a kind of
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: lady that would do that.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: She's got a real dolphin jerk. Look to her.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Crazy story. Listen to these orca wheels imitate human speech.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Says, it's responding here.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Oh there's your guy.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: I'm here, bye bye bye bye.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Oh it's getting there.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: It's trying.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa hello, it's amazing.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Whoa Wand I bet what it wants to say is
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: let me go, you fucking asshole. Put me back in
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: the ocean. You craise a bitch.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Quit jerking me off and put me back.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe if they jerked off the killer whel they wouldn't
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: have killed them.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like SeaWorld alone. It's just it's so awful.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't until those that documentary was it called
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Blackfish Blackfish? Yeah, that was like the first one where
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: people went.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, it was really eye opening.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't support this at all. I mean, I can't
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: believe people still even go to sea World.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. You know about basically prison Do you
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: know about those two in France that are trapped there?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is interesting. So there is basically a Sea
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: World equivalent in France, and the government shut it down.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: I forget the I'm sure we can figure it out,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: but it was shut down. But then the dolphins and
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: the two orcas were not released, and the guys like
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: these are mine. I'm not releasing them, and I kind
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: of afford to release them or move them. So they've
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: just been sitting in these abandoned tanks for I want
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: to say a year now, maybe maybe more. Yeah, this
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: is it here, the race to save these two Jamie.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see if there's an
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: aerial shot of it, but yeah, so they're just sitting
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: in this thing, but but it's closed. The guy kind
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: of afford to feed them because nobody's visiting. And then
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I believe the government just doesn't want to do anything
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: about it because they're like, we just wanted to shut
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: you down. We don't want to actually like do anything
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: about it. So there's just these two orcas sitting in
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: these tanks.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: How they get food?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: I mean he's feeding them, but he's like doing it
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: out of his pocket, and it's like few and far between.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man, So.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a crazy they're they're yeah the abandoned
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: whales and they're just sitting in these tanks we've had.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Do you know Phil Demers's he's a guy who uh
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: he helped shut down Marine Land in Canada.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, which was an awful, awful, bad facility.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: There's so many of these fucking places like that. We
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: see what they're doing and just like, oh, man, if
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: we could understand them, Yeah, and we could. I think
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: someday in the future we're going to look back at
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: that the way people today look back at slavery.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Oh totally.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: We're gonna say these are intelligent creatures. They just they
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: just don't have the ability to manipulate their environment like
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: we do. Yeah. But like just dolphins, They're cerebral cortex
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: is forty percent larger than a human beings. So something's
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: going on in there. And you think it's okay to
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: put them in a swimming pool. That's crazy, dude. It's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: the same thing like what I was talking about. Elephants,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: their EQ they're emotional intelligence. We can't even comprehend it,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: like the way those animals feel. Like the highs that
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: an elephant experiences and the lows in experience are way
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: bigger than the highs or lows than most humans.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: I think any human can experience, like their EQ is
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: way bigger than ours. The trauma that they feel from
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: losing a loved one or from being abused or whatever
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: it happens to be is like ten x what humans
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: can even emotionally comprehend. How do we know that based
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: on their their brain scans and whatnot. I don't know
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: those specifics of it, but because that part of their
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: brain is so much larger than ours, and so you
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: have these They might not have the same like computive
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: skills as we do mentally, but they have this emotional intelligence.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: It's like so much deeper and broader than ours. At
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: least that's my belief.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: It is a weird thing with us where we only
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: characterize intelligence as the ability to manipulate your environment. Yeah,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: we want you to write a book, right, I don't.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: I don't trust you. You're real. You're really smart, Mayorhouse.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: Why don't you? How come you don't have a rocket ship?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: You're so smart? Where's your phone?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, Now it's weird. It's weird, right, It's
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: a weird way to look at things.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like I think there's a part of people
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: that recognize that this this direction that people like that
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: this classification of intelligence in that way is wrong. But
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we can really quantify it yet.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: And if AI really can decipher a dolphin language work
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: a language, will language, they really can, and we realize
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: that they're actually community and God, I would hope that
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: would change our approach to how we deal with those things.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: I think it would, because there's I think they are
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: see people really, Yeah, they're just they don't need to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: manipulate their environment. First of all, they can travel three D.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: They go up, they go down, they go across. They
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: can hold their breath for an hour. They don't need
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: to make a house. No, their food is everywhere. Also,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: they're at the top of the fucking food change. Right.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: They're orcas, and.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: They're they're nomadic. They don't, they don't. We are not
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: nomadic by trade, so we have to manipulate our environment
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: to make it more comfortable.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Or because they're not low. Yeah, they move so fast
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: they can make a sunfish explode. Yeah, we're so slow,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: like the fastest people like, we just run into each
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: other and knock each other unconscious. That's that's what we
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: could do.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Fun to watch though, dude. But I want to go
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: back to what you said about I agree, by the way,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: about orcas and captivity in whales and things like that.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: There's this huge anti zoom movement that I just don't
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: agree with, though, Like I I belie leave. I agree
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: with you that in the future will go why did
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: we keep animals the way we did? And when you
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: look at old zoos and concrete boxes and stuff, huh.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: But there's so much good that animals and captivity have done,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: saving species, keeping things alive, connecting kids to nature. There's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: a there's a lot of gray area. There's king and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: there's fucking San Diego Zoo, you know what I mean.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of nuance to it.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: San Diego Zoo is an excellent example of a really
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: great zoo.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, it's incredible.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: I've been to that place before. Yeah, but I also
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: went to that wolf place with you. Yeah, and that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: made me sad. I know, yeah, I know, I went there.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: I was bummed out, man.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: But at least they're rescuing them, you know, like.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: I know what. They also cut their balls off. Yeah,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: that bummed me out hardcore.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Otherwise they all fight. I mean, but that's the gray
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: area that you had, Like, what's the alternative? You know,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: it's like they lose, but then none of but only
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: a few of them were pure wolves. You can't just
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: let you know because then you're muddying jeans. It's such
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: a complicated thing.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that the whole reason why black wolves exist in
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the first place. I think black wolves exist because it's
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: a trait that they got from domesticated dogs.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: I read that and then I read it was false,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: and then I read it again. I don't know what
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: the truth behind that is.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: To put it into perplexity, should say, it's a roganesque claim,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: I stated on.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Today's podcast, So you kind of get a good that's interesting.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: How do you word that? Would you say, is it
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: true that black wolves inherited that trait from domesticated dogs,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: because that is one thing that absolutely has happened, is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: that there's been interbreeding between Yeah, and not just on purpose?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, yeah, it happened. Yeah, I mean you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: get yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the genetic mutation of a
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: black fur color brought about by domestication?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Yes? Sorry, thrown a lot at you, Jamie, Is it
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: is the black the trait of black wolves? Did they
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: inherit that from domesticated dogs?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Edit?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: My thing? Man? Not uh from domesticated dogs?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I would yeah, yeah, see see what it says.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Let's say, do do pointed enough?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Start guessing?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I love watching it work where it's like spinning. Yes,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: this is well supported by genetic research. Black coat color
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: in North American wolves comes from mutation and the K locus,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: especially specifically, excuse me, a three base pair deletion in
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: the CBD one three. I don't know what that little
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: thing is. I don't know defense in gene Is that
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: what it is? I think produces a dominantly inherited melanistic phenotype.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: The mutation originated in dogs and moved into wolves through hybridization,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: not the other way. Around two thousand and nine, study
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: by Anderson at All first identified the KB black allayle
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: in wolves is derived from dog wolf interbreeding. Follow up
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: work analyzing three hundred and thirty one wolves and twenty
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: dogs found that North American wolf how do you say
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: that word? Haplow type haplo type? Yeah, our monophyletic meaning
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: a single I feel like you're my teacher of a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: single good job. Yo intro aggression event from dogs most
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: likely seated uh the allal through the continent, probably in
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: the Yukon or North Northwest territories. You know, I went
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: to where a colossal I made the dire wolf and
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: when you guys went, that was a interesting experiment.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: Was that cool to see?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I haven't even seen him. I know, it's a whole
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: hush hush.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: I brought my youngest daughter and she was cuddling with
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: the four month old wolf. Well, there you go, you
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: can cuddle with them. Win. They're four months old. Ye,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: up until a certain point. But it was like a puppy.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: And it was still huge.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: It was no, no, no, no, no no, it was pretty small. Yeah,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: it's like uh like that fucking cute man. And she
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: was so sweet. She was so sweet. She would cuddle
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: with you and you pet her and should kiss you.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: It was like a fucking dog man. That is a yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: that is god. She's so sweet. But the males, they
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: had two males that had that's her name, that's right,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Kalisi's the girl. So there's Romulus. Look how cute they are.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: When Ed did a baby and remiss Romulus and then Kalisi,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: the girl that's pretty cool. So Khalisi was the one
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: that we got to the cuddle with and they're cute.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, she was so fucking adorable. But you
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: can only hang out with her for a little while.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: And then they got big and now they're big. Yeah,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: he sends me pictures. So they were like that when
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: we went there.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Like that size. That size, that's already I don't know
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: if I let my kids in with a wolf that size.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Well, they kept away from you. Yeah, and we were
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: in a large contained area, but we got to go
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: out with them. Yeah, and uh, they just kind of
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: hang out and look at you. They keep away from
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: me for the most part. But she didn't. She but
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: she can't be with them yet. With the male, Yeah,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: she was too little interesting. It was too like, you know,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: they didn't want her to get killed. Was just too sketchy.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: She's tiny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: She was you know, she was still a baby still.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: But they were older. I think they were a year
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: or close to a year. But they could hang out
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: with them for the first like five or six months.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: I think. Oh, after a while, they just got different.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: There's also some stuff about them that they didn't even
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: know dire wolves had, like the main.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Which is they're getting interesting.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: They have a main like almost like a lion's wow,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: which they didn't know and they didn't know they were
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: going to be white either.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Now, is that a variant from their genetic mutation work
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: or is that something that's just expressing itself.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Very good question that you'd have to talk to a
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: geneticis about, because like there's a lot of people that
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: don't even agree they're actually dire wolves.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: A lot, yeah, a lot. Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: They're essentially saying the what you've done is you've taken
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: the traits of dire wolves and you've made them be
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: expressed in a gray wolf's a gray wolf.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: But that's what Beth says they've done, you know what
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like she's she's not they're not hiding that there.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: We're trying to fill a niche, We're trying to make something.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but she's also said that I think I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to mischaracterize, but I essentially what they're saying is,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: but that's what a dire wolf was, right, Like that
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: they are a wolf that has all of these traits, right,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Like the size is the same. The look is the same.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: You can get technical and say, no, you've taken a
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: gray wolf and made it exprest but yes, but they
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: got those genes specifically from dead dire wolf es, right,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, what is it our own classification
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: of these things that we're disputing, right, because we can't
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: just decide like that this I call this a dire
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: wolf and that's what it is. Like. The genes don't
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: give a fuck what labels you put on them, not
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: at all, you know. And if you make a dinosaur like,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: that's not a real t rex it ate everyone in
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: the city. It's a real ta wax. It just took
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: over a fucking city and it just ate everyone in
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: a VW bus.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: It's a thirty foot tall lizard. It's a dinosaur like.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you shape it.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh the wooly mouse is really cool too.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really neat. Ben Ben Ben told me one
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: day I could have a wooly mouse, so I'm holding
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: him to that. Yeah.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting seeing the dire wolves though, and just
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: imagining what was it like when those things are just
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: roaming the earth. I know, because it's like a three
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: pound wolf that's all white with like thick fur and
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: a mane like a lion.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Dude, speaking of roaming the earth, have you heard the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: theory about how sloth bear stopped sorry, not sloth bears,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: what were the big cave bears? Short face bears stopped
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: human immigration? Have you read about that? Yeah, that's really cool.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Totally makes sense.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: It totally does. They just stood there waiting for people
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: like salmon to cross the bearing land bridge and they're like,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: well it's that time of year.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: A hand also, like, who would do that knowing that
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: those things are out there? That thing was so big. Yeah,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: it's like double the size of a polar bear.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Twice large polar bear that can run fifty miles. Look
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: at that thing.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: I don't care how smart we are. That is not
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: something you want to face, right.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Even if you have a gun, like good luck, If
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: you have a nine millimeter handgun and you run across
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: the grizzly bearry, you're dead. Yeah, it's not gonna be
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: enough firepower. Now, so what are you gonna what are
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: you gonna hit that thing with?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Well, they have rocks, so you know that's good rocks
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: and spears. Yeah, rocks, oh, rocks.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: I mean when they first started coming across. Did they
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: even have fucking bows and arrows in that yet?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, but they I mean spears for sure.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: But like that.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: But then there's the there's the real question, is that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: the only way people got here? Right when you see
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: the White Sands footprints that are twenty two thousand years old,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: and you start going, Okay, well this predates the Ice Age.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: Now, it's before any humans were known anywhere in the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: New World.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, well, what's going on there, right,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: because this is actual human footprints, right, that have been
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: dated to twenty two thousand years ago. Yeah, and that's
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: just all we found. Yeah, that's just because they left footprints. Yeah,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Like that doesn't mean there wasn't something there fifty thousand
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: years before, one hundred thousand exactly exactly. And then there's
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: in Mexico this evidence that looks like predation on mammoth
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: bones by humans.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Really spearheads and things carvings.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Into mammoth bones. It looks like they're broken open to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: get marrow. Very disputed, right, because there's also some people
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: that think it could have been like some rocks falling
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: on the bones.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: Sure, I'm not sure how this is happening, but it does.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: Think they Let me write this up for Joe fuck figure.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: We're going to forget a separate computer that we don't
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: use for perplexity. What is the question?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: Sorry, well, how would humans have contested short faced bears
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: on the Bearing street?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Let me write this up for Joe fuck Off man
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: like a baby.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: The monster bears kept humans out of North America doesn't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: hold up any longer, apparently.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 6: M.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: When I was fining, people said it was a myth
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: that someone, a scientist Casus commented on a paper that
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily he could have thought that, but they didn't
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: have evidence for it.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, like the idea of a bear line. No,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: because the problem is bears they would have to eat
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: so much to sustain that kind of mass. Yeah that
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: there couldn't really have been a lot of them.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: No, but it sure makes sense that they were predating
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: upon people when they came across.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Hold hold up, hold up, go back up here. This
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: this guy's saying something kooky. He's saying that hyper carnivore
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: built for pacing long distance. He argued that it was
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: primarily a scavenger, using its size, sense of smell, and
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: long legged gait to klepto parasitize kills from lions, dire wolves,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and scimitar cats rather than the rundown prey itself. That
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense. Long legged gait would make it faster.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: I heard about this, So, Yeah, the theory is that
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: short faced bear would come in and rob a kill,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: like basically what a hyena does.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: To lions or wolves do to mountain lions.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I think it to me, it doesn't add up.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, grizzly bears chased down moose and kill them.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of videos. I watched a video yesterday of it.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: They've also shown now that hyenas are incredibly efficient predators.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: And until like ten years ago, we thought hyenas were
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: only scavengers or fifty I mean it's longer than that,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. And now they show
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: they have like a thirty percent success rate, which is
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: very high.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no reason why they wouldn't be if they're carnivores, Like,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: why would they be completely relying on other animals to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: do the work for them when they have that kind
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: of biting power.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: They they're just opportunistic like old carnivores.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: And they move as packs. Yeah, they work as pack animals,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: so they kind of move like dogs.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna get food, get food, you know what
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: I mean. If you can kill it, kill it, if
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: you can fight something off for it, fight something off
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: for it, like it doesn't really matter. That's how carnivores are.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: What is this same? What are you saying?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: Says?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: This is how they hunted brown bears? They probably would
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: have done it the same way.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, get him in the dens.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: And then burn it, burn the entrance with fire, probably
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: kill the babies.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: Right, But that's if you had access to fire.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: I had an addle, addlet and a spear at best,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: and maybe some fire that they could maybe move.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: You know, you know how close you have to be
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: to kill something with an adam addle? Yeah, Okay, there's
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: there's some videos that are really interesting where they're showing
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: people realistic scenarios where a bear is charging you. Oh
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: and they pull the yeah, showing bear spray and guns,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: like showing them like a mat Like imagine you have
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: a ten millimeters semi automatic pistol and you have to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: rack it, so you have to rack a slide. Yeah,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: so the gun, the bear is coming, you have to
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: draw the gun, rack it, take the safety off, and
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: then point it towards the animal and squeeze it your
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: You're dead.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: You're done, You're already dead. It's it's like that.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: It has to be like one hundred yards away from
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: you as it starts running for you to get a
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: shot off.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: I think the idea is the bear gives you some sign.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Look at that bullshit ass thing.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: I've tried one. It is impossible to throw accurately.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Well that's true, but you're not practiced in it, no,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: of course, not like Yeah, I mean I've seen people
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: that are super accurate with spears.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Isn't your buddy Adam green Tree. Doesn't he do the
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: at Loddle.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: That's just like.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: I think I've seen him. He probably knows.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: How to do it. Yeah, But I mean, well it's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: not a good weapon. No, I mean, it's definitely better
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: than no weapon, but throwing a spear it just goes
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: further mechanical leverage. Yeah. So it's just I have a
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: thing like that for my dog. It's like it's like
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: a thing with the ball that has a ball in
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: the end of it, and you can it's so easy
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: to not blow your shoulder out. You can throw it
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: pretty fucking far right, and whenever every time I do it,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, of course this is way better. Yeah,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: you get extra leverage with this thing. And then also
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: you can kind of whip it with your wrists and
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: you get all this action with the ball. Would you
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: would do the same thing with a spear with it?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Makes sense? It makes sense.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: It seems hard to be accurate though.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Super hard. Well, it's hard to be accurate with a
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: traditional bow, you know, it's so hard, Like you know,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: I shoot a compound bow, and a compound bow is uh,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: there's so much technology involved. Oh yeah. First of all,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: I have a laser rangefinder and I arrange something. It
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: says fifty two yards. Then I go to my site
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: tape that's on my site on my bow, and I
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: dial it to fifty two yards. Because I use archery
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: software that measures the weight of my arrow. So I
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: have this five hundred grain arrow, and then it has
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the speed per so it's three hundred and ninety feet
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: per second from a five hundred grain arrow. And then
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: I put it into this computer and it spits out
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: a site tape so that I can move my pins specifically,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: so I could put it in a quarter well fifty
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: two yards if I was accurate enough. I'm not, No
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: one really is, except like really excellent world class archers.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: With a traditional bow, you're just guessing. Yeah, so you're
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: just guessing the arc of the arrow, and then you
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: have to think, Okay, I'm buying arrows right that are
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: made by a guy who's measuring them. They're all down
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: to like they're within two grains of each other, and
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: they have like inserts. My front of center is very
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: high perfect erodynamics, and they're made at a carbon fiber.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: These fucking arrows. They're making them by hand, and then
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: they're making the arrow heads by hand, so they could
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: be off each one of them. Like, so you're just
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: guessing where that fucking arrow is gonna go. And you
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: have to shoot every day to get a real sense
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: of like what the drop is at a certain distance,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: and then you have to kind of judge how far
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: is he is he twenty yards, thirty yards, fifty yards,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: so even with modern traditional bows, and that's like that
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: sounds like.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: A yeah, I know what you mean re curves and
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: long bows.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean that sounds like an oxymoron, but they
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: are still traditional in the sense of you're not using cams.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: You don't have like a cam that rolls over in
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: this mechanical advantage, fiberglass limbs and all this chest you're
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: using like wood still, right, Even with those things, you're
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: still buying arrows, and the arrows weigh the same amount.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're perfect.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: So if you did that over and over again in
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: your yard, you did it every day for three hours
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: a day, you would get a sense of how far.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: And then if you did it a bunch, you'd get
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: an idea of judging distances. And there's like little tricks.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: There's certain archery tournaments where you're not allowed to use
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: a rangefinder. Oh really yeah, And so the idea is
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: you have to develop the skill of being in and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: I think these tournaments probably started back when rangefinders didn't exist. Yeah,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: And then when rangefinders did exist, they're like, nah, that's.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Cheating, and then the targets are at various yes, yeah,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Guys develop a very good way of measuring distance. And
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: what essentially they do is they can pretty accurately judge
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: five yards, and then they double that, and then they
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: triple that, and then they try to figure it and
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: they get within like ten or fifteen yards. But you know,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: that's a lot, even with a compound bow. You know,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: that drop of ten or fifteen yards, it's pretty significant,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: even something that's going three hundred feet a second. But
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: when you're doing with a fucking wooden arrow that you
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: made yourself with a stone tip, like like one of
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: these bad boys. I have one here, somewhere somewhere on
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: this desk. Yeah here, It is so cool like that
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: somebody made that. So if you make that one and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: then somebody else makes one right next to it, it
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: might be fifteen grains different, it might be fifty grains different.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: And the aerodynamics are different. Yeah, like the flint napping
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: is completely different. Yeah.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this thing's not rare. That's not good. That plain
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: like a motherfucker shot it out of a really good bow.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: And not to mention the stress of if I don't
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: kill this thing, I'm either going to die or I'm
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: not going to eat or you know all the other things.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: And you have a fifteen foot bear right right, Oh yeah,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: probably bigger, Like was the height of a short face
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: bear or the length, like, what is the what is
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: a big short face bear?
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: You've seen those caves they have in like Missouri where
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: they're still claw marks from short face bears and things.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can go visit like middens of them
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: in Missouri.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Where they used to lit out a cave like a den.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where they live dens and you could see their
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: claw marks in the mud and everything else. It's amazing.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Eleven to twelven and twelve feet. I think they probably
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: have to be bigger than that, because Kodiak bears get
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: that big. Kodiak bear bears can get twelve.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: Feet, do they they get that big Kodiak?
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe they're measuring them squirrely, because you know,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: like a lot of times they measure stuff to try
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: to make it seem bigger. So what is the largest
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Kodiak bear ever killed? Let's look look that up. Largest
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Kodiak bear, largest Kodiak bear ever killed ever recorded? There
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: you go recorded the same thing. Okay, they have it
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: by weight. It's one six d and fifty six pounds,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: which is, by the way, whole it's lee shit insane.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and nearly a one ton bear. Yeah, that's so big.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: The hind foot measured eighteen inches. Oh god, how tall
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: was it? How long? Was it?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: More than that?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it's over a.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Ton in a zoo zoo Yeah yeah, oh my god.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: But he might have been fat.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: He was fat.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: He might have been a short fat. So what is
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: the so what is the longest the largest length?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's sitting. I think I've seen this
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: bear and he's sitting in the Anchorage airport when you
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: land there.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is a big is that that bear?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's the largest bear I've seen that.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that in Anchorage. That's that thing's nuts.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: At the airport there.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a glass case or something.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the biggest bear ever ever shot.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Look at that one ever recorded two thousand, one hundred
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: and thirty pounds.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: No, no length measurement.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: That is so big. That's so crazy.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: The short faced bear.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: They don't even really know how much it weighed. They're
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: just basing it on the bones. Yeah right, they don't
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: have a dead one now. Wow. So that that photo
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: up there, that's Fred Bear with his nineteen sixty two
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: World record Alaskan Bear. Go back to that photo that
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: you just were at before. Yeah, look at that, that's
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: his stuff bear. Jeez, he shot that with an old
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: bullshit bow. Yeah, look at his bow. That bow sucks.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. He was the first like modern bowhunter.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, I mean he's a guy who popularized
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: bow hunting. Fred Bear is a legend in the bow
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: hunting world. And I mean you gotta think how much
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: how good does life have to be where you go,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: let's try to do something that people used to do
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: before guns.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really a thing that people practiced for fun.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: Like the food had to be so readily available. Yeah,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: we had to say, let's make it harder.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go backwards. Yeah, let's have.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: So much food, let's make it more difficult. And then
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: there's guys to day that they don't like compound bows
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: because they're too hot, they're too easy.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're using recurve. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: My friend Aaron Snyder, who's a like a world famous
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: bow hunter, went back to using a recurve bow because
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: it was killing too many things with a compound bow.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Fellow goes too easy, But that's what happens, right, is
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: these guys master their their craft and when they spend
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: all that time on it, and then they're like, how
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: do I make the challenge harder on that?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Also, they're competing with other world class bowhunters, like they're
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: all like, who's the man?
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, agotroke yeah yeah.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: This is a little bit of that. But it's also
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: like that's how they get good in the first place. Like,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: this is a weird thing about people in competition. You
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: can say competition is bad, Like, okay, are you saying
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: that on your phone? Because how do you think you
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: got a phone? Yeah, you got a phone because somebody
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: just competings other people. They developed a phone. It's just
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: a different kind of competition.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I think competition is essential to human culture.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: It's certainly essential to progress. Yeah, and this is why
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: socialism is never gonna work.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: You got to reward people.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: If they're not rewarded, they're not going to work hard
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: enough to do anything really spectacular. Why bother, So you're
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: never going to get a laptop, it would have never happened.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: You would have never had high speed internet. Somebody has
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: to profit wildly, yes, for them to be enthusiastic about
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: spending seventeen hours a day making something like.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: But that's the joy of competition paying off. Yeah right,
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: it's like, I know, not so much with bow hunting,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: but if you're competitive as a person to the point
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: that you succeed the most at developing a phone or
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: a cup or whatever it happens to be, you win
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: and you get paid the month.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: We just have to have regulations to make sure that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: those people don't run a muck and then take over
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: entire countries.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: And become a monopoly. Yeah, you know.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: What was going on with Microsoft in the nineteen nineties.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: You remember all those remember that.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: No, what was are they taking over?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates was a maniac. But before people think of
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates now, well now I think COVID kind of
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: ruined his people's impressions of him. Can now they think
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: of him as a vaccine pusher, but also as a
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: philanthro capitalist where he's doing philanthropy that makes millions and
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars for him.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: Didn't you also put out that anti protein? Wasn't that him?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? I think Bill
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: Gates wife Bill Gates, correct me, I'm wrong. But Bill
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Gates wife is vegan, I believe, and he funded like
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: some Netflix documentary all on how like bodybuilders get huge?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Thinking about James Cameron?
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Am I thinking about James Cameron.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: I know James Cameron's wife is vegan.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: I might be mixing them up.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: You're talking about game changers that the vegan documentaries.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: With the huge jacked guy being like, I never touched protein.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: It turns out the problem I think if you looking
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: at that from an ethical perspective and you're saying factory
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: farming is bad, I'm on your page. I'm with you,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: but that happened. But yeah, there's a clear agenda. Also
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: just not accurate.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I pirated your thing on Bill Gates though. Sorry.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: So the point was during the nineteen nineties he was
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: there was all these trials where they had these monopolistic practices, okay,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: and they were buying up competition or destroying competition.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: There's just anybody that developed any computer.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: Any anybody developed browsers that competed with you know, microdoves stuff. Yeah,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: here is landmark. Nineteen nineties trials refer to United States
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: versus Microsoft Corporation, massive anti trust lawsuit filed by US
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: Department of Justice and twenty States. Key elements included Browser
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: war integration, the anti trust ruling, and the appellate settlement.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: And so everybody in the nineties thought of him as
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: this guy who is this like ruthless capitalist that was
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: trying to destroy all the competition. Okay, so he kind
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: of reinvented himself, gotcha. And the way he reinvented himselves.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: First of all, he donated an enormous amount of money
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: to the media, so to NBCCBSC and all these different kinds.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: They gave him hundreds of millions.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Of dollars just to.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Kind of say, guys, I'm.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: Your friend, I'm your buddy over here.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: And then he developed the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: and they were really concerned with global health.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's dude. Do you know what they
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: did fucking in the koborab Asadelta with their mosquito nets.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Why would you? But do you know what I'm talking
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: about at all? Do dude? I'm gonna go on a
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: fucking tirade here. Okay. So the Bill and Melinda Gates
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Foundation decided that there was too much malaria in Africa, right,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: which you and I could probably agree with malaria is bad.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: So what did they do? They gave all of these
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: people living in tribal villages. I'm totally pirate of your thing.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go on a fucking grant here.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: They gave all these people living in the kaborab Asadelta,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: which is the bread basket of the Zambizi Valley, meaning
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: like where more fish are born. It's a it's a
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: nursery for fish, right, not just there, but this is
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: a good micro example. They gave millions of mosquito nets
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: out to all these people to avoid malaria. Guess what
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: the people who were starving to death did with their
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: mosquito nets.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: They fished with them.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: Mosquito net has a hole that is so small that
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: a mosquito get through. So guess what These mosquito nets
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: now indiscriminately catch tiny baby fish in areas like Kabora
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: Basa where the fish go to breed and reproduce and populate.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden, you have thousands and
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: thousands of people that have been handed nets, that have
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: been living one way for hundreds of thousands of years.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: The don't give a shit about malaria. They have their
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: own way of dealing with malaria. They sit in smoky
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: huts at night, they sleep with a campfire, everything else. Yes,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: they still get malaria, some of them, but they deal
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: with it their own way. Bill Milinda Gates Foundation come
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: in hand out millions of mosquito nets. Absolutely collapse the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: entire population of fish that feed millions of people because
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: these people just take the nets and fish all the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: baby fish out so that those fish don't grow up
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: to make substantial protein sources. So now these wonderful philanthropists
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: that have given out millions of nets have destroyed an ecosystem,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: crashed a fish population, and created widespread hunger for people
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: that otherwise had plenty of resources, all because they were
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: trying to help with the mosquito nets. Oh god, it's
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: just like it's a fucking disaster, dude. They've taken such
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: a rich and important part of Africa, one of the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: most abundant freshwater fisheries in the world, and destroyed it
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: because they're helping by handing out mosquito nets.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Sorry, I told you I've go on
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: a rent. But it's like it's so bad. What's happened
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: over there, and they're still giving out mosquito nets, by
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: the way, and you literally watch these guys line up
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: take a mosquito net, and it never goes in their house.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: It goes straight to catching fish that are this big
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: for them to eat. Oh god, sorry, I remember.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: It's it's so bad for them. Tools, Like, can't you
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: just double up the net thing and just get them
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: other nets too, Like say, hey, guys, that's.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: What happens t when eighteen they got the new nets.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 5: Oh that's what I'm looking at the things.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just totally crash the ecosystem.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: It completely crashed it, and it created widespread hunger in
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: a place that had no hunger. So now you have
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: people with malaria and hunger. God, and it's like done
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: from a place of good intent, or maybe it isn't.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where you were going, but I.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: Don't think it is. Yeah, I think it's a it's
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: a ruse. And I think what a lot of it
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: is is this thing like we are doing philanthropy. But
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: then you go, oh, but you're profiting. You're making hundreds
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: of millions of dollars from this philanthropy, right, Yeah, you're
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: buying goodwill and you're also on television promoting vaccines, Like
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: why are you You're a guy who didn't even graduate college,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I mean, I don't even know
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: if you made it out of high school. Like he's
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: a weird guy. He's obviously very smart, Yeah, of course,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: but why you're not a health expert? Why and you
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: look like shit? Like why are you promoting health? Like
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: this is great global health? Like it's just a fucking
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: weird guy. Man, the weirdest thing have you ever seen that?
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: You know, he was obviously friends with Jeffrey Epstein or
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: communicated with him and had some sort of RelA.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: Oh it's popular, gotcha well known.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: I feel like everybody's it's connected to Epstein now, like
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: I've lost a lot of people.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: But the craziest conversation was there was a woman who
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: was asking him did he regret his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: And he's just trying to say that the only reason
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: why I talked to Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: gonna he was going to donate money to his philanthropy
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: and all the different things that he's involved in but
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: it didn't work out and I do regret it. And
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: and and she said did you I forget what her
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: question was he but Gates says, well, he's dead now,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: so there's that. There's something about it is you got
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: to be careful, like he's it's like a weird like
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: veiled threat. It's very odd the way he answers the question, yeah,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: essentially saying that I'm like, I'm reading it like like
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: you got whacked. Yeah, Like that's what I'm reading.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: Interesting, weird find that that. I was sure, well you
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: find that out. I was talking to some buddies about this,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: you know, just like standard brochat. If Epstein happened today, right,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: and you had no knowledge of the weird stuff going
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: on on the island, like you would be invited, you
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. They'd be like, hey, Joe, they.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't invite me. Oh really, oh yeah twenty seventeen, not
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: to specifically, yeah, but to meet Epstein.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. And I was like, what
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: if that happened today, some guy came to meet Oh, sorry, yeah,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: let's do it.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 6: Pored it at that time that you had a number
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 6: of meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, who when you met him
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 6: ten years ago, he was convicted of soliciting prostitution from minors.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 6: What did you know about him when you were meeting
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: with him, as you've said yourself, in the hopes of
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 6: raising money.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 7: Uh, you know, I had dinners with him. I regret
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 7: doing that. He had relationships with people he said, you know,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 7: would give to global health, which is a interest I have,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 7: you know, not nearly enough lanthropy goes in that direction.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 7: You know, those meetings were a mistake. They didn't result
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 7: in what he purported, and I cut them off. You know,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 7: that goes back along time ago. Now there's you know,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 7: so there's nothing new on that.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: It was reported that you continue to meet with him
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: over several years, and that in other words, a number
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 6: of meetings. What did you do when you found out
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 6: about his background?
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 7: and there's nothing absolutely nothing new on that.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 6: Is there a lesson for you for anyone else looking
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 6: looking at this?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 7: Well he's dead, so uh, you know, in general, you
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 7: always have to be careful and you know the you know,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 7: I'm very proud of what we've done in plant to
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 7: be very proud of the work of the family.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: First of all, a record scratch.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: You have billions of dollars and this guy didn't give
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: you money for years and you still give you kept
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: meeting What about your money? Like, what is it? What
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: is he going to give you? How much does he get?
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: How much does he have.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: Especially compared to Bill Gates.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: But he also probably doesn't have a fraction of what
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: you have, right, So like if like Elon started hit
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: me up to donate money to something like, hey, bitch, won't.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: You you got dude? Do you know how much money?
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: You have? So much money? Don't you why you ask?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: If he kept meeting with me for years, for years
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: to try to get me to donate, Like, it's kind
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: of similar, right, this is what we're talking about. He's
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: a billionaire, like hundreds of billions of dollars. None of
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: it makes any sense. The guy was providing a party
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: for rich people. That's what he was doing. He was
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: providing away with these rich people can fucking let their
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: hair down and have a good old time and do
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: coke or whatever.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: That it was really right. It was just a come
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: but the party had no rules, and that's what makes it.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing. But I had a
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: guy who tried to get me to meet him in
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: In La or where Oh I was in La Yeah.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: When he reached out to me, Epstein appeared to have
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: drafted himself, claiming Gates had oh yeah, yeah right. This
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: is an email that Epstein appears to have drafted to himself,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: claiming that Gates had contracted an STI from encounters with
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: Russian girls and hid antibiotics from Melinda. Gates said the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: emails were never sent and are false. His spokesman called
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: them absolutely absurd, so absurd that someone could get an
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: std from a Russian girl. Gates has separately admitted to
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: affairs with two Russian women and with a Microsoft employee,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: but says none of them were connected to Epstein or
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: his victims.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 5: Some people say those emails were like a journal he
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: was keeping, Like why would you keep himself? He was, well,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: he wrote on an iPad all the time. Apparently that's
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 5: why the typos are so bad.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 4: And he just like the email, you know, it's you know.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine that's your journal. But why would you
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: do that? Why would you make up a story about
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: a guy hav An STDs. I think more likely because
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: so there was a rumor, and this is an unsubstantiated rumor.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: I want to be real clear that that Epstein was
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: trying to blackmail Gates with some story about a bridge
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: player that he was having an affair with Russian bridge player.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: I also think they've intentionally flooded the internet with so
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: much misinformation.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Perhaps, but my point was if he could have drafted
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: that email which was never sent, yeah, and then sent
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: the draft to Bill Gates or showed it to him, yeah,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: and say what do you think about this? I could
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: just if you don't yeah, how about you shut the
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: fuck up? Yeah? Will you give me some money? How
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: about you? You know, because there was a bunch of well,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: there was a bunch of people that gave him a
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: lot of money.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: They gave a lot of money.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, the guy, the Victoria Secrets guy,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: gave him a house, gave.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: Him control of one hundred percent of his finances.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't just he gave it to him, taken
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: it or you know, and he goes like I didn't
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 5: know what he was doing.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: Wait, so did fund that house?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: Did he fund the Victoria's Secret guy to start Victory's Secret.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no no no.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 5: That's how he got involved after that guy's uh, this
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 5: goes real deep. So Columbus, this guy got uh he
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: was going to go to talk to the irs about
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 5: specifically what I don't know, nineteen eighty four, but he
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 5: was like the tax guy for that company.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: He was murdered in a mob hit style.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: I like this podcast. I'm just like an animal nerd.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: I like talking about snakes and I'm like, find out
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: about Victoria's secret astein and ships. Well, I mean.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: It's what the human animal does. Yeah, the human animal
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: when it's in these very controlled spaces where just so
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: let's look at it this way. So imagine you're a
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: guy who's especially if you're a nerd, and you know
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: you you were never really good with women when you're
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: in high school social Then all of a sudden, you
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: have literally one hundred billion dollars and you could just
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: get prostitutes anytime you want. And I guess if you
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: get the really high end ones, they know how to
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. And if you have this friend
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: of yours who was in the masade and that guy
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: can get the best hookers, and he's got a fucking island.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: You go to the island, it's the best. We fly,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: we talk about philanthropy. We fuck.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, that's what I'm saying
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: for It's like, you're just like, it's just a party
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: for a bunch of dorks who can come here with
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of money.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: But there's also some weird science connection with him. And
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: that's work gets really odd is that he got that
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: ranch in New Mexico so he could be close to
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: the guys that were working at Los Alamos, who were
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: famously not making much money. So he's around these guys
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: and he's talking about going into business with them and
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: giving them this chance to make an insane amount of money.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: And this is what he did with Eric Weinstein. With
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: Eric Weinstein, he contacted him and they had a meeting
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: and he was trying to get Eric Weinstein to do
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: something with him. And if Eric did it, he had
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: the potential to make an enormous amount of money. And
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: Eric is very wise and he just didn't buy him
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: from the start. He's like, the guy's are construct Yeah,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: everything about him, he's like, he doesn't know anything about finance.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Like he was talking to him, He's like, this guy's
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: a construct, is not this is not a real finance guy.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, there's something going on. Wait, what was the
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: science they were working on a bunch of different physicists
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: were connected to him Einstein. Epstein reportedly hoped to develop
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: super race of humans with his deal. Wow, Wow, what
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: is that from what? That's the New York I got.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: A different one of the articles the New York Times.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. But he had a bunch of relationships
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: with some very impressive scientists and physicists and also oddly
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: connected to the whole UAP world. The whole Los Alimos
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: Thing's weird because the the thing is that he by
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: buying that ranch in New Mexico, put him close to
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: Los Animals, which was in New Mexico, and he then
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: he had access to all these scientists that were famously underpaid.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: So these guys were not making much money, and he
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: was this incredibly wealthy guy through no way that anybody
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: could ever rationally screen. Yeah, it was all weird, and
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and who knows what he was trying to
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: get them to do.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: He was probably just one of those guys. I mean,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: you never ended up meeting him, but he was probably
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: just incredibly likable as a con man, do you know
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: what I mean. You probably sat in a room with
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: him and you're like, Wow, this guy's really great, Like
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: maybe I should give him some money, maybe I should
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: Like what a cool guy, and he's just a dirt
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: bag under the you know, under the veil.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: We're just speculating, but maybe maybe Also, if you have
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: a bunch of really hot Russian chicks that are hanging
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: out with you, and that'll do it. You don't need
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: to be that charming.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: That's so true, so true.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: You're a billionaire with a bunch of hot Russian chicks.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: And then there's a bunch of people that are willing
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: to hang out with billionaires just because I've seen it
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: where people just get enamored by the fact that someone's
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: insanely wealthy and they want to go to the party
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: at their house like oo.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: But all those people doing work like crazy, you know,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not fun. I mean, I don't know,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know that many he was. That's true. That
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: guy partied hard. Yeah, good point, good point.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to be a billionaire too, I mean in most cases,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: what you have to do is be insanely driven. Yeah,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: you have to be that guy that works eighteen twenty
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: hours a day.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, and give up all the other things.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to do up all your time exactly.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: That becomes your whole life.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: And but I think that's also why they wanted a
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: guy like that that could provide them. This is why
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: wines Eric Weinstein described it. He said he provided them
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: with experiences. I believe, Yeah, that was his and I
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: think he's right. I think that makes sense.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, my one and only billionaire friend is
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: that a not in Bonnie, that Indian guy I was mentioning.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's so cool that he's built this gigantic
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: wildlife rescue that.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: Is pretty dope because he's it's a great thing to
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: do with money.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: He's just like he's a nerd like me. And if
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: he hears this, he's gonna be like, thanks a lot,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: but like he's just an animal nerd, do you know
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: what I mean. He's gonna be like he just like
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: he just loves animals and conservation and he's like, I
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: have generational wealth that might you know it came from
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: his family his family's like fifth or sixth narration of
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: having huge industry, and he's like, okay, so with my
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: excess money, I'm gonna rescue animals instead of do other
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: you know, space it's very cool. I mean for me,
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: it's amazing.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's not Look, there's nothing wrong with
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: space race stuff too. It's all fascinating and cool. But
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: it's just it's and I get it from a perspective
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: of people who think there's not enough money in the world,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: and then a why of these people have so much
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: money and they should give all their money away? And
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, but you could do that all the
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: way down to like one hundred thousand dollars a year
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: if you really wanted to do it, especially when you
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: compare yourself to everyone else in the world.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. You know, we're in the just
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: living in this country alone, we're in the one percent ryeah.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: Most people, I think one percent of the world. We
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: look this up, it's like fifty sixty thousand dollars. If
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: you make more than that, you're in the one percent.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: Of earth, right, And that's the majority of people in
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: the United States. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, you're barely getting buy in America and
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: you're in the one percent of the world exactly. Yeah,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: which is wild.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: It's wild. That's really what it really is.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're We're the weirdest animal.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: Just study us, I should. We learned a lot today,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're not fun like you. You study us
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: and you go, oh god, what are they fucking doing?
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: Where's you study animals? You're like, oh, fucking cool.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: They're way cooler. They're way more interesting, more teeth, more claws,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: more slithering.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also just the fact that there's so much
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: variety and that they are real, and that they are
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: then some of them are so strange. How about that
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: new monkey that they just found in the congo with.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: The lipstick crazy orange is orange mouth.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like you just like one of them
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: freeze pops.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like your kid after Yeah, one hundred dude,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: it's so cool and new primate species coming out. Still, like, No,
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: I love that. I think it's so great.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Do you believe in the bondo ape? Do you think
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: that thing is?
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: Yes? And no, like, there's probably likely a group of chimpanzees.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean that that just are
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: more aggressive, that are a social construct and are larger
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: and are larger. But it doesn't mean that it's like this,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: you know, because they have the whole thing about them
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: being lion killing apes and all this other stuff. There's
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: probably a family troop, a group and you know they're
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: in war. Now have you read about this? Yeah, so
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's the Bondo ape is real in the
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: sense of there is a probably an isolated, larger group
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: of chimps that just act like chimps.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: The thing about this chimp those they said that their
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: skulls are different.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The cranial ridge, yeah yeah, yeah, makes sense. Things
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: with stronger jaw muscles have a cranial ridge, you know.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: You see it in hyenas, you see it in things
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: like that gorillas, yeah, gorillas, Yeah, exactly, it's just more
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: more surface here for the muscle to attach to.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Basically, it's just like that would be so fascinating to
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: find those things. And that's what you know that Karl
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: Armand got spent his whole.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: Life hunting reading rumors, but at least he.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: Got some photos, unlike that poor fucker that was looking
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: for the sloth.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, still still trying.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he got some camera trap photos of them. Yeah,
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: and you know no, and.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: They were bipedal in the photos, right, and a lot
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: of them, which chimps are you know, they'll walk on
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: hind legs and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: It is pretty cool. And then there's a photo of
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: the one that they killed that was at the airport.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: Do you know you ever see that one? Oh, it's
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: crazy at the airport. Yeah, there's a small airport and
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: they killed this one enormous chimpanzee. So there's the two
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: guys that are standing with it. You know, it's hard
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: to tell how big the guys are, but normal size
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: human beings. That's the biggest fucking chimpanzee I've ever seen
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: in my life. Look at that thing.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: They're amazing.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: Look at that. I mean, the guys. You could tell
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: by perspective that the guy's he's got his hand on it,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: so he's right behind it. Yeah, and his arm is
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: not extended, so it's not fake. And that chimpanzee looks
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: way bigger than him.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: Way bigger. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: So they think that is one of them.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, like I said, I think it's real. In
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: the sense. Oh yeah, this this famous photo.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: See, but that one just to me looks like a
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: chimpanzee that just looks like a big jimp. Where the
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: one that's sitting down that looks way bigger than those guys.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: The size of its head is fucking enormous.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: You know that there's one river where I'm trying to
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: remember exactly how this works, but basically there's one area
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: where the rivers collide, where the chimps and the gorillas
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: go into conflict with each other over this one river spot.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about? Have you ever
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: heard about this? Yeah, it's really interesting. So somewhere in
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: the Congo there's this particular river and I think it's
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: called the Cross River, I can't remember now, And it's
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: an area that the chimps will come on one side
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: and the gorillas will come down on the other and
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: they will have they'll like throw stuff at each other
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: across the river and like it's like a whole thing
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: that it's been documented, and these guys will there's sort
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: of these like two clans of great apes that come
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: and communicate across the river and throw rocks and like
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: show off to each other. And then they kind of
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: go back into the jungle. But it's been seen in
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: this one particular river several times.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the real planet of the end.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: What is the chimp wars? What are they? Are they
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: fighting over food territory?
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: Unless I'm mistaken, it's relatively unknown, but it's it's sort
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: of a social constructs. So if you think of humans,
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: for example, once our population gets too large and we
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: have too many men and not enough women, we fight, right,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: We've seen that throughout history, Roman times, Mongolian times, you
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: name it. So there is one troop of chimps that
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: all live together in relative harmony, and then two leaders
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: basically sprung up and there was a lack of enough females,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden, this clan divided into
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: two clans, and now they're at constant war with each other.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: Like they live in the same relative territory, but they'll
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: come into contact with each other and go to war
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: over who's going to be the leader of the alpha
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: troop the mega troop.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: And it's been going for maybe a year or two
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: years now. Fuck yeah, But how human is that? So
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: human like to be like, okay, we're all part of
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: this group. Like you and I don't like each other now,
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: like this is my side, that's your side. We're gonna
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: fuck each other up.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: Study highlights friends with Benefits relationship between gorillas and chimps.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: What they're fucking each other now, it's.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 5: Likely younger ones hanging out. It says it's probably in
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 5: the same area they're meeting pressures of them, like.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: In the same tree.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is that River wants out of
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: these trees.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but friends with benefits.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: General benefits are yeah, yeah, I was looking forward. That
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 4: got to what you're getting at.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: But you don't really say that with like you're like,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: why do you why do you go to dinner with Bob? Well,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: we're friends with benefit. Oh you're fucking Bob. Why did
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: you start fucking Bob Man?
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: No, No, we just like figs, both of us.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 5: The chimpionzees, though they caught them beating their chest, which
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 5: is only something gorillas everything.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're imitating.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: Mimicking each other.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you've seen that one documentary I think
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: it's called Relentless Enemies, where there's a particular pride of
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: lions that grew enormous because they're only eating water buffaloes.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: They got trapped on an island because the river change paths.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I remember what you're talking about. I
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: don't know the documentary, but yeah, they're eating cape buffalo,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: yeah exclusively.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: And the lions are just getting bigger and beefier and
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: they're all fat and like, yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: Well, they have to get bigger. The females are doing
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: all the killing. Yeah, so they're as big as male
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: lions in other places. Yeah.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: And they're jacked and they don't have a choic yeah,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: because otherwise they're gonna die trying to hunt the k buffalo.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: Yah. But it's so we're watching natural selection in real
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: time because they just keep getting bigger and stronger. Yeah,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: and you know they're like, these fucking buffalo are enormous. Man.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: They're jumping on these things and hanging on them and
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: trying to drag them down to the ground.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: The black Death, that's what they call the cape buffalo. Yeah.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: Those motherfuckers are so scary.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: So mean, so scary. Yeah, and they'll charge so unprovoked,
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: like they'll just turn and come anytime. But it's, uh,
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: it's crazy how you have that basically insular dwarfism and
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: insular gigantism throughout animals. No matter like animals stuck on
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: an island, they're either going to get bigger, they're going
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: to get small.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: Well, lizards usually get big on an island.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: Right, or tortoises right like the Galopagos or the Seychells. Yeah,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: why why do they get bigger? No predators, unlimited resources? Mm. Yeah,
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, you know, you're a little
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: tortoise that it's this big, and every time you get
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: to this big, something spots you from the air and
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: eats you or whatever it happens to be. But now
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: you're stuck on an island with all the grass and
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: fruit you could ever eat, and nobody wants to eat you,
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: so you just get bigger and bigger to out completely face.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at those guys. I just imagine that's the
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: only thing you can eat is something three times bigger
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: than you, and they can fucking kill you. That kills
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of lions, by the way. Oh yeah, well
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: kick you in the face. We're trying to take them out.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: And then that's it. Your jaw's broken and you never
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: eat again, and you starve to death slowly.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: I love the little cub there covered in blood. Look
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: It's a really cool documentary. Yeah, it seems so weird
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: when you're looking at the size of the females. They
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: just look exaggerated to the point where they look fake,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: feel like hulk lions.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: It's awesome. It's very cool, very very cool.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: Nature is such a wild thing, man. I mean, it's
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: such an amazing, fascinating, endless resource of just little shit
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: And our understanding of it changes all the time. Every
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: animal theory we've ever had evolves and changes as we
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: learn more, which is what makes it so fun because
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: it's so dynamic. It's not a static thing.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: What's just crazy that we keep finding new things like
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: the new primate. Well you find that little new monkey
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: that they found.
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: With the orange lips.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: He's really cool. He's in the congo. Well, in the
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: congo is another place.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, what, Yeah.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: I've seen sure, you've seen that BBC documentary on the
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: congo from God it was like the early two thousands.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: But look at them, well, weird looking guy, so cool,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: so strange.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: There's a few lost primates out there too, like species
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: that we've seen once or twice that have never been
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: seen since that.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: Like, what.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: Miss Waldron's red colabus is one that comes to mind.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: It's called miss Waldrons, just Waldron's red colubus, but it's
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: a colabus monkey that there's like three or four museum
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: specimens and no live specimens.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, uh huh, there's a few of those. Yeah,
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: oh miss Waldrons. Yeah, I read callabus.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: Why is it called miss Waldron? I don't know who's that? Lady?
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: Good question.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: What do you have to do with this monkey? Lady?
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: After West Africa previously described as subspecies, not been cited
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: since I saw it for a second.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: And what's crazy is a lot of these animals, especially
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: the primates and essentially anything that lives in the Congo
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: is in a place that's so scary and so dangerous
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: to visit. Yeah, that's not a lot of research being done.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's always what I tell people when they're like, oh, well,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: you know, find these animals. Find that animals. Nobody's looking.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: It's too hard. The local people know they're there, Like
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: these lost species are species that the people that hunt
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: and eat them know they're there, but they have no
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: communication to the outside of the scientific world. And you know,
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: for you or I to go into that part of
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: the congo is probably a death sentence. Yeah yeah, But
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of cool stuff out there.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: Are there any other animals that might be that people
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: think they've seen.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: As far as like cryptids, they should still be real
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: weird ones, oh, man, like the giant sloth or something
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: like that. I mean, there's that whole like the dinosaur
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 2: in the Congo thing that people always talk about. It's silly,
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: it's not real. I mean, I I kin't think of
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: any I I think, you know, like.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Went looking for that one.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I actually that's one of your pods that
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing and he was talking about that.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: David's crazy.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't think of any But you know, it's
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: it's those rumors, like there's a sloth, we've seen it.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: There's an Asian unicorn, we've seen it. That if people
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: don't follow, you never know. It's like, you can you
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: can absolutely be the tinfoil hat guy like I can
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: be with the Thylocene. But if you give up and
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: don't look, you know, we never really know.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: And if it's gonna be, it will probably be in
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: a place like the Amazon, or like the Congo, so
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: enormous place, like the isn't the Congo as wide as
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: a contiguous North America?
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: The country or the river?
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: I think the country of the Congo, the Congo, the
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: jungle of the Congo, I think is almost as big
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: as America.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: I did not know is that large. Africa's fucking it's huge.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: If you see because the United States imposed on Africa,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, the content of Africa is enormous.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what's squirrely about maps, right, especially like when
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: you look at the globe, like everything's so distorted, Yeah,
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: which I don't understand why they do that now. I've
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: never had that explained to me in a way that
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: like oh, I get it.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: Or timelines. Have you ever looked at how like time
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: lines are drawn on the globe, like like you know,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: like the right jigsaw puzzles and you're like, why is
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: that island in this time zone that's three slots over likes.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, but like see if you can find the
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: size of the Congo, Like if you see the size
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: of the Congo versus I think it's almost as big
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: as the United States.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: Realize that it's the same. Yeah, there there are the
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: there's so many of these incredible remotes.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: It's thousands of miles wide. Okay, so if you took
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: that and you shoved it, why doesn't Why isn't put
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: it over it? Right? The bottom one? There is a
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: better one, bottom one. That one's better.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: So not quite yeah, but it's still enormous.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like thirty five percent.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's more political unrest there now, which means
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: stuff shuts down.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy. That's an enormous piece of one.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: Look how big that is. You get all of India,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: all of Eastern Europe, the United States, China, fucking crazy, France, Spain,
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: look at that.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: It's a big place.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: And the cradle of civilization, yep, the cradle of humanity.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: Every then, also Egypt, that's that's also part of Africa.
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: You know about the eclipse coming up there? What biggest
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: one in history twenty twenty seven. Yeah, So in twenty
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: twenty seven, I want to say April, there'll be a
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: six minute total blackout in Egypt, will be the longest
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: one in one hundred and something or maybe eighty something years.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: Over the Red Sea in Egypt.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that's when you want to go see the pyramids.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine when the aliens are gonna return?
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude. Can you imagine being at
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: the Pyramids and seeing a six minute long, six minute,
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: twenty two second that's what it's gonna look like. And
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: it's in a place that never has fucking clouds, so
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see it. I mean they do, but not
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: that time of year. So yeah, total solar eclipse for
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: six and a half minutes.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: So we had one here. Yeah, yeah, two years ago. Yeah,
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: two years ago. J Yeah, it was really cool.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: How long did that last year? I wasn't not that long,
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: but yeah.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: Like a couple yeah, a couple of minutes. What was
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: really cool about it, though, was that all the animals
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: got oddly silent before it happened. Yeah.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really weird, like they know something.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: So we were outside waiting for it, and as the
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: you know, as the eclipse starts taking place, everything went wiet. Yeah.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: It was really wild, so crazy, and then while it's happening,
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: you're like whoa, and you imagine, like imagine living like
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: thousands of years ago before anybody understood what the fuck
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: was going on and thinking like some wild magical moment
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: had happened and we entered into a new timeline or something.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: You have all crazy theories.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: I'd like, grab somebody, we got to sacrifice them right away.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: Something's going over there. You get into the period, cut
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: their heart out straight away.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: It's also it's like so weird that the Sun and
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: the Moon are the exact right distance that when they cross,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: the Moon just completely outlines where the I mean just
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: fills in everything but the light around the outside of
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: the edges. Like how is it perfectly sized like that? Oh?
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, No, it's just.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible coincidence that it's the right distance and
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: the right size because obviously the moon is so much
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: smaller than the Sun, but perfectly distance the scale so
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: that when the Sun and the Moon is there, it's
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: like boom, it's like the right size, not like half
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah you know it's perfect, yea perfect, It
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: just sits right in there.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like an oreo in the cream. It's amazing.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: The really screwball theories, or that the moon is fake.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: You never heard that way.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the panda, the panda fake, there's nothing on the
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: moon being fake.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: The moon is fake. Yeah.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they think that the moon is artificial and then
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: it was like put here by aliens and it's hollow.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: You're kidding. Oh no, No, that's a good one, and.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: That it was put here in order to sustain life
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: on Earth, to give us a stable orbit.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean it does do that.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: It does do that. Yeah, yeah, because imagine like how
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: fragile life is. Like we're really concerned about climate change.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: My god, just the climate changes. Well, guess what if
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: the fucking moon wasn't there, you'd be doomed nothing. There's
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: no way you need a big moon.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: Too, controls all of our oceans and.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: The quarterer of the size of the Earth. It's a
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: weird moon. Yeah, Like, I don't think there's another moon
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: on in our entire source system that's comparable in terms
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: of like the size and the relationship to the other planet,
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: the planet. I think it's way bigger than every other
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: moon on. Let's find that.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: Out, because I think that's pretty formulates the conspiracy theories
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 2: that it was brought in interesting.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: There's also we did something some sort of experiment. We
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: shot something at the moon and it rang like a
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: bell for a long time, which is really weird.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: It was like it echoed like way longer than we thought.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: Of course, could just be they didn't know what it
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: would do because I've never done it before, right, and
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: they don't know. Like the fifth largest moon in the
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: Solar System, with a diameter of the width of the
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: continuous the United States, will its dwarfed by Jupiter and
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: Saturn's largest moons. It's uniquely massive compared to its parent planet. Yeah,
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: that's what it is, making the Earth Moon system more
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: like a double planet. Yeah, so in relationship to the planet.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: Like it's so Jupiter and Saturn have huge moons, but
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: Jupiter obviously is fucking way bigger.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can look at the size of Jupiter in
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: comparison to the size of Earth.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the scale of the Moon to this
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: too interesting. That is a wild conspiracy theory. Imagine just
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: being the guys like, you know what, why don't we
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: shoot at the Moon. Let's give that a whirl. See
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did something. I think I don't know what
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: they shot it with. I think they sent a rocket
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: to the Moon and just to measure the sound they
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 1: see what would happen and it was odd. They found
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: it odd the way it rang. It rang like a bell.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's like they've never done that before. Like, also,
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: who knows what the fucking center of the moon's made
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: out of?
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: Who knows where you hit it?
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, who knows.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's weird you got some caves in there.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: It's hollow.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: Apollo experiments and the ringing effect. The phrase moon rang
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: like a bell comes from Apollo twelve. In nineteen sixty
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: nine November and NASA deliberately crashed the lunar modules ascent
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: stage onto the moon. Size siismometers recorded a long lasting
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: vibrations for nearly an hour. This description is a metaphor
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: for how dry, cold lunar rock reverberates with out water
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: to damp in the shop. Yeah, but retards and dorks.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: So it's hollow.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: It's made by aliens. And there's also people that think that,
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: you know, there's stuff there that like there's a.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: Monolo, the cities on the Moon.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: And all that, yeah, on the other side that we
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: can't see.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mana redd it's a wild place. Huh.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: Like this is not even Reddit. This is like you
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: got to go to like weird message boards.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: Crazy people go, it's deep crazy yeah people that.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: What's that hollow moon? The yellow moon crossly related to
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: spaceship moon. Ah, that's the one. Our pseudo scientific hypothesis
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: that propose the Earth's moon is either holy, hollow, or
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: otherwise contains a substantial interior space. No scientific evidence exists
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: to support the idea. Let's go to go to spaceship
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: moon because that seems even more interesting spaceship moon. Come on, baby,
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: all these pseudo scientific the moon spaceship includes historical Oh no.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 5: No, no, I didn't notice what that means.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: Spaceship moon theory. Try that theory, a pseudo scientific hypothesis
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: proposing that Earth's moon is an artificial, hollowed out satellite
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: constructed by an alien civilization.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: See it's like the death Star.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: There you go, bro, Well you need to get into
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: like space is fake. That's even better is popular popularized
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy by two Soviet scientists, Mikhail Vassine and
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: Alexander How about that works, yep, shirk shirk butt, shir
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 1: call shirk Kerbakov, who suggested the moon was reinforced by
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 1: an armored titanium hull to survive impacts.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: Oh man, people need more to do. No, they don't
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: you like that?
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: I love I love the kookie the better. Yeah, Like
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: hashtag space is fake is one of my favorite things
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: to look up because there's a whole community of people
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: out there that think space is fake. But I also
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of these people. What you're getting
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: is there's been some there's been some people who develop
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: fake theories in order to see if people bite and
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: then and then they put them out there, like on
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: Reddit or somewhere on four Chan. Four Chan is a
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: great place and stuff like that, because you got a
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: lot of schizophrenics that like to visit those places and
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: then they'll put it out there and see if people
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: run with it, and then they'll do it to see
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: if just for fun.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 2: And he gives you a community, right, It's like, oh yeah,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 2: I have this group of flat earthers that I hang
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: out with on Saturdays and we talk about how the
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: Earth's not round, you know what I mean. It's like
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: I've I made my own lunatic community bigfoot hunters, same thing.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the unfuckable white guys looking.
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: For cryptids something to do?
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: Are there any other cryptids that are even remotely interesting.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: To me. Not really. I mean I always enjoy the
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: fun of it, like when we chat about it, but
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: as far as like the reality of it, I don't
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: think so, you know, I know it's a boring answer,
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: but I think that.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 1: Well you would know. I mean, that's why I'm asking you.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: Your guy actually goes to these places, goes looking for stuff.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: I love when you hear about something like a borrowing
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: snake and everybody's like, that's not real, it doesn't exist,
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: and then turns out somebody finds this weird snake and
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: it's not really a encryptid, but it's something that nobody's
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: been looking for, because why would you write, nobody's digging
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: in the earth in the center of the congo to
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: find a mud snake, you know, or whatever it happens
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: to be. And I think those are the things that
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: they end up being en cryptid in small communities, you know,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: like you hear from the village about the snake. I'm
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: making the snake up, but about the snake that lives
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: under the mud and only bites when people dig their crops,
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: or whatever it happens to be, and it creates this
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: generational legend that becomes a cryptid. But the truth is
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: there is a snake that lives under the crops in
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: the mud. It's just nobody ever goes looking for it,
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: because why would you.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: Well, there is a weird arrogance that we have only
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: twenty six because we have uncovered so much in comparison
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: to people that lived two or three hundred years ago.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: So we have this maybe arrogant assumption that we have
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: an accurate audit of all the animals on the planet.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: And it's such a human thing to do is to
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: be like, we've quantified it all, we have the answers. Yeah,
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like we put a finite on something.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: And then you have all these guys, like especially in
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: the scientific community, which is that's a whole story for himself.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: But they're now like, Okay, I need funding, so I'm
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: gonna speciate a bunch of stuff. So I'm gonna go
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: look at four things that are exactly the same, except
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: one lives on one side of the creek and one
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: lives on the other. And now I'm gonna make it
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: its own species because that'll fund more work for me.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: So now you have this speciation race.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no gatekeeping on that where someone goes, hey.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are certain criteria that you have to meet,
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: but they're pretty easy to meet, do you know what
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: I mean? You have to say, it looks different, it
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: has some kind of genetic anomaly, it has some kind
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: of physical anomaly, there's a population of it. Okay, now
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: I've named my own species and that makes noise, and
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: I can publish a paper and now my research is funded.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: And it's just like, it's not, you know, is it
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 2: a species? Did we need this one frog to be
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 2: split into four different groups because they live on you know,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: four different patches of the mountain? Not really, you know,
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: And it sort of lessens the conservation for that frog
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: in general, because now all of a sudden, it's like, well,
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 2: there's four different kinds of them, so who cares if
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: one of them gets extinct? You know what I mean.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: So it's sort of like it's a weird thing that's
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: going on in the sciences where there's this race to
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 2: do speciation and pull apart everything into more and more
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: and more, and then it sort of lessens the value
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: of them. In my opinion, that's interesting.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: So there's this reward thing that happens that encourages people
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: to do these things.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm writing a whole book on this right now.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: It's coming out next year, because it's just the scientific
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: system in wildlife and conservation is so broken, because it's
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: very first of all, the first of all, if you're
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: an animal guy, you're probably not a great people person
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: to begin with, right, myself included, you're not a bad
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: people person, thanks, But for the most part, the people
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: that get into the sciences probably are don't have the
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 2: best Yeah, they're awkward, they don't have the best human
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: social skills. Right, So then those people become professors and
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: heads of parties and academics and all these things. And
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 2: again i'm generalizing, there are great people that I work
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: with too, but just as just a picture of the system.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 2: So now you have all these socially awkward, somewhat introverted
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: people studying animals. Now there's this tiny little resource pool
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: of money, and everybody that's socially awkward, that's already somewhat
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: arrogant because they've made it to the top of their
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 2: field or close to the top of their field, is
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: competing for this tiny little pool of money. So now
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 2: they're putting out anything that's headline worthy, and a headline
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 2: worthy could be as simple as speciating a frog on
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: a mountain, or it could be discovering something. But basically
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: you have to just publish something to show that you
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 2: are accomplishing something to them and pull from that tiny
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 2: little pool of money. So now a system like say,
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: you mean and Jamie here should all be working towards
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 2: saving this guy right here, this metal metal chimpanzee. Well
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 2: we're not. We're all fighting because there's this tiny little
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: pool of money that we all want, and we're all
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: saying that each other are wrong because we need to
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: prove that we're right so that we're funded because you two,
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: because all three of us can't be funded to save
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: that species. Does that make sense? So now we're all
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: fighting each other to save the thing that we all
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 2: care about because the resource.
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: Pool is so so what's the solution to that, Well.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 2: It needs to become more mainstream. And I think there's
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of bullshit science, you know, to be honest
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: with you, like, there's a lot of this speciation and
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 2: publishing and all this stuff that's just sort of making
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 2: noise that isn't really helping, and I think the solution
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: is well one once it becomes more mainstream. Here's here's
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 2: the short answer. Conservation is incredibly easy to measure. We
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 2: try and make it very difficult and complicated. Are there
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 2: animals now after your work? Are there more? Have you
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 2: fixed the problem? That's all conservation is, right? Are there?
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: Are there more or less than when you started? If
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 2: when you started there a lesson, now there are more.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 2: And this is very black and white, and every system's different.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 2: But if you had a thousand frogs and then you
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 2: worked on the project, now you have two thousand frogs,
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: you're doing conservation right. As long as the ecosystem supports,
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: as long as the prey is there. Blah blah blah
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 2: blah blah. That's all conservation is. We try and make
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: it so complicated and so in depth and require all
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: these papers and this publishing and this information that is
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: sort of an information overload that the common person doesn't
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: care about it. I mean, when's the last time you
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: read a paper on frogs? Probably never? Right, mean neither
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: because they're boring, because I don't want to care about it.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 2: But I would care if you just came out and
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 2: said look, these frogs need a home. We're gonna fight
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 2: kittrid fungus, which is this big, widespread fungus that's killing
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: all amphibians by building frog hotels. And if we build
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 2: which are these little brick hotel things that frogs go
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: into incubate to kill fungus. And if we build enough
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 2: frog hotels, then there's going to be more frugs. That's
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 2: good conservation. So instead of fighting over that, make that
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 2: popular in mainstream. Don't make it so complicated so that
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 2: nobody understands it. I'm not saying don't publish papers and things.
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: Those still very much so have their place and they're important.
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 2: But focus on the messaging to the common person. So
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: the common person now cares. Then there becomes more funding
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: and resources. Then we don't all have to fight over
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: this tiny little pool of resources to publish things that
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 2: aren't actually accomplishing things.
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 1: Well, this is actually the value of getting into a
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 1: crocodile cage, that's right, because you get people actually interested
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: in animals.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 2: And that's why I do YouTube, That's why I do
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 2: all these things, is that I hope that it helps
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 2: people care. I don't need to get funded by it,
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 2: like it's great when my YouTube does well and I
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: make money, but like, I just want people to care
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: about these things, because if you care about them, then
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: that resource pool widens. Yeah. Yeah, well it's.
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 1: You got to make things interesting to people, right. And
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: this is where like David Attenborough was so amazing, because
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, because he developed these documentaries and so the
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: voice that he had was explaining these things. Mind he
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 1: was the first guy to document Chimpanze's eating monkeys. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 2: Incredible. That was incredible, coldest stuff.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: He's the goat, literally, but you kind of that's another
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 1: thing about being a wildlife biologist. You kind of have
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 1: to get your hands dirty. You have to. You gotta
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: get in there.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 2: And the other part of the system that's so broken
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 2: is a lot of these world leading experts have never
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: touched seen anything with a living one of these animals.
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: I worked with a person and I don't want to
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: say her name because she's a lovely person who's a
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: world leading expert on a certain type of shark. And
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 2: we're like, great, you're the world's leading authority. You're perfect
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: to come with us on this trip to study these sharks.
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: We fly to the opposite side of the planet. I
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 2: don't want to give too many details. It's not fair
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: to her. She's a very next person. We fly to
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 2: the opposite side of the planet. She's published fifty papers
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: on this species of shark. And we get there and
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, day one, let's gear up, let's
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: hop in the water and look for this thing. She's like,
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to swim. Like, what do you mean.
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 2: She's like, ah, I've never been in the ocean before. Like,
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 2: you're the world's leading authority on this type of shark.
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, yeah, I don't dive, I don't
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 2: snarkl I don't know how to swim. I'm like, well,
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: how are you the world's leading authority on the shark.
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: She's like, well, I've never seen one alive. I've dissected them,
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: I've published all these papers. I can tell you about
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 2: the tooth count, but I've actually never seen one alive. Like,
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 2: you're the world's leading authority and you've never seen one
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 2: of these animals alive to study it. The guy who
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 2: fishes and eats it in the village next door is
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 2: a more of an authority than this person. Do you
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. But that's the scientific process, the
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: world's leading authority because they've published the most papers on
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: something that sits in a pickle jar.
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 1: Do you think that that is an absolute requirement though, Like,
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 1: do you have to have some sort of physical contact
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: with the world that they live in.
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: I think you have to have observational knowledge. You don't
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 2: have to have physical contact, Like you shouldn't have physical
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 2: contact with wild chimpanzees, they'll rip your arms, right.
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 1: But I mean the world they live in.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 2: I think it should be a requirement. I think if
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: you're going to be considered an authority on that thing,
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: you have to have observational data as well as scientific data.
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 2: You can't just live in a world where you're like,
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 2: I've studied them in pickle jars and I can tell
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 2: you everything about them.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: Well. To me, that was like one of the most
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 1: fascinating aspects of chimp nation. You know that these scientists
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 1: had been embedded with these particular chimpanzees for more than
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 1: twenty years.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: That's science, Yeah, that is science. That means you are
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 2: sitting there and that's why the best scientists are the
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: guys that hunt and fish and spend their life surrounded
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: by these animals that will never once be credited as
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: a scientist because all they do is study the behavior
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 2: of the animal. And I'm with you, like that is
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 2: that's the real deal. Twenty years watching a troop of chimps,
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 2: learning their behavior, understanding their social dynamic. I'm not saying
• 2:48:43
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't also cut one open and measure its canines.
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 2: You should when you get a dead one, but that
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't make you an authority on it, right in my opinion.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that was the thing about that particular documentary, in
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 1: those particular scientists, was so unusual that they had this
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 1: long history where these chimpanzees had lived and died and
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 1: raised new chimps around these people, and as long as
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 1: they followed this protocol, stay within, you know, twenty yards
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 1: at least twenty yards away from them, never have food
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 1: around them, don't look them in the eyes.
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 2: You're good, yep.
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: And you got insane footage because of that.
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a mutual respect, like they've learned to
• 2:49:21
  Speaker 2: appreciate each other, and you can't do that with every animal.
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter how many years you spend sitting
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 2: watching a crocodile, it will still eat you at the
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 2: first jacks it gets. But you've earned a mutual respect
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 2: with a highly intelligent creature that, to me, as a
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 2: field biologist, is science. That's incredible.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 1: If not a respect, at the very least, you've become
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 1: a part of their world to the point where they
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 1: don't think of you as being an anomaly.
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 1: So they are normal, yep, where they're they're not. They're
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 1: not weirded out. Like if you just show up out
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 1: of nowhere and you wear in a space suit, Yeah,
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: the monkeys.
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: Are gonna go exactly exact this new thing.
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 1: But if there's always people with space suits around, they
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 1: never bother them. They go, oh, it's just the spacesuit guy. Normal.
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna go eat my bananas like normal.
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 2: It's the same as seeing, you know, an im Paula
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 2: and a Wildeby's hang out together at a watering hole.
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 2: They're used to each other, they know they're not threats
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 2: to each other. But you or I walk up and
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 2: both of their ears perk up and they sprint in
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 2: different directions. Yeah, you can have that time put in
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 2: to make things calm. It's amazing.
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 1: But I mean, has there ever been anything other than
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 1: chimp Nation where they did that that effectively.
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, Grizzly Man sure tried.
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: Didn't end well, or did it? Yeah, it probably ended
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: the way he wanted it to.
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 2: Honestly, there's no way he could have wanted to go
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 2: out any other way.
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: I think I think that was suicide by bear.
• 2:50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:50:42
  Speaker 1: I also think it was Werner Herzog's attempt at comedy.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 2: You think.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about the way he edited it where
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's fucking with us. Because there's one
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 1: time where he's talking about the sheriff and they asked
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 1: the sheriff, like what you thought of them? And the
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 1: sheriff goes, well, I thought he was retarded. The smash
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 1: cut to something else. I'm like, you're trying to make
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: me laugh.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 2: It's pretty funny.
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 1: I've wanted to try to get him on the podcast. Yeah,
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be one of the he probably never answer,
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: honestly because they would probably be disrespectful to Timothy Treadwell
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 1: and you got. I would love to get him on
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 1: just because he's amazing, and also his documentary Happy People
• 2:51:20
  Speaker 1: Life in the Tiger is one of my favorite documentaries
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: of all time.
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, really, I don't know it. It's good.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 1: It's all about these people that live in Siberia and
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 1: they have like no mental illness, and all they do
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 1: is they live as assistance lifestyle. They're just hunting and
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: fishing and trapping and they ride around on snowmobiles and
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: they make these huts and they live up there with
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 1: their dogs and they have these extended periods of time
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: where they're alone and all they're doing is like taking
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 1: their snowmobiles to different traps and gathering wood for fire
• 2:51:50
  Speaker 1: and fish to eat. It's and they're all happy and
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 1: they're drinking and laughing and they're like, it's weird because
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 1: he documents it. It's called happy People. That's what interesting documentary. Yes,
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 1: that's called and it's like with his like the way
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 1: he describes these people living in Sibedia.
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 2: Nice Siberia.
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: Amazing. Oh, it's really amazing. It's amazing documentary. I think
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 1: he's incredible.
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 2: I have said forever you don't all look mental illness
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 2: a real thing. I'm not going to pretend it's not.
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 2: But if you spend a lot of time outside and
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 2: in nature and especially by yourself, the noise goes away.
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: I don't care who you are. I don't care what
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 2: your history is, drug history, anything. When you you're much
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 2: more present when you're alone in nature and mental illness.
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 2: I have no experience in this. This is just opinion,
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  Speaker 2: but mental illness comes from when you're wrapped up in
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  Speaker 2: your own being, right when you're thinking about all the
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  Speaker 2: problems and this, that and the other thing. But when
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  Speaker 2: you're alone in nature, you have to think about your
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  Speaker 2: surroundings and what you're doing, and you don't have time
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  Speaker 2: to sit and manifest on these things that create the
• 2:53:00
  Speaker 2: depression and anxiety and all of those types of things.
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  Speaker 1: There's also no comparison. You're not comparing yourself to anyone
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  Speaker 1: else because you're living in a community that are a
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  Speaker 1: assistance lifestyle people. All these people are doing the same
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  Speaker 1: thing you're doing. What are you gonna do? You're gonna
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 1: have the biggest fish, Nobody cares. It's all hunting, fishing, right,
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  Speaker 1: living off the land. They all do it, and they're
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 1: all like sharing and drinking together and having fun. It's
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 1: really wild, and you watch it, you go god boiled
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  Speaker 1: down to like the most simplistic, community driven ways that
• 2:53:31
  Speaker 1: people exist like this like seems to be the best
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  Speaker 1: way for people to live.
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  Speaker 2: But like you said earlier, you have to have both
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  Speaker 2: sides right of the coin. It's like the red and
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  Speaker 2: blue in Texas, because you have to have innovators and
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 2: overthinkers and workers, or it wouldn't be a society.
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  Speaker 1: Or by the way, they wouldn't exist because they use
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  Speaker 1: snowmobiles and not one of those motherfuckers is going to
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  Speaker 1: invent a snowmobile exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So you gotta have the red and the blue. You
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  Speaker 2: gotta have both sides.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's awesome. Well, hey brother, it's always
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  Speaker 1: good to talk to you. It's really fun. Fun. What
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  Speaker 1: is this you and the crocodile here? Oh my god, dude,
• 2:54:03
  Speaker 1: you had he didn't tell me you put meat all
• 2:54:05
  Speaker 1: around the outside of it.
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  Speaker 2: Told you as an idiot. Look at this. We made
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  Speaker 2: that cage, by the way, and I am no engineer.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that the caves looks so flimsy. That
• 2:54:16
  Speaker 1: thing looks so flimsy. And you're just hanging by a.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 2: Thread literally like this cable that we sourced from a
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 2: village and hoped it would hold up. I mean, we
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 2: tested it as far as put some rocks in it
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  Speaker 2: and tested it in empty cage.
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  Speaker 1: This is a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 2: It was dumb. It was dumb.
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  Speaker 1: Look at these things doing death roles.
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  Speaker 2: But people are gonna watch this, Joe, and they're gonna
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 2: learn about crocodile everything. You filmed it, right, God, man,
• 2:54:40
  Speaker 2: that's insane. That was fun.
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  Speaker 1: That that cage looks way too flimsy. Don't do that again.
• 2:54:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not doing it again, I promise ye.
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: Tell people how they can see that, Where where they
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 1: can find all your stuff?
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's Shark Week. We got an awesome show coming
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 2: out this week, Alien Sharks Untamed America looking at some
• 2:54:56
  Speaker 2: incredible sharks celebrating America's birthday, our craziest, weirdest sharks.
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: How long is Shark Week? Has been going on.
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 2: Since the eighties, thirty nine years old, same age as me. Yeah,
• 2:55:08
  Speaker 2: it's been around my whole life.
• 2:55:10
  Speaker 1: That is so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an institution. Plus we got the YouTube channel.
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm doing most of my stuff now. I
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 2: hope people check out. I know you watch some videos. Yes,
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 2: I've heard you comment. I appreciate that.
• 2:55:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I appreciate you. I appreciate you doing that stuff. Man,
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 1: thanks you for me dude.
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  Speaker 2: Always great to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: Bye everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah,