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S02Ep22 - Dark Masculine Energy with Lesley · The Bull Brotherhood

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What tends to happen is a lot of these women,
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they don't have a primary partner. They don't
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have any other man. So all they have is their
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dark masculine man. And so they're trying to
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get all their needs met from him, and it's not
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going to work. And that's why my partner, he
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encourages all of his female partners to have
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a primary partner, to have another man or multiple
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men or have a husband. Because when the woman...
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is just solely focused on the dark masculine
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man and she has no other outlets, she goes crazy.
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Welcome to the Bull Brotherhood Podcast, where
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we talk power, pleasure, and the art of dominance
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If you're here, you're not just curious. You're
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ready to elevate. So to all the bulls, hot wives,
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stags, and open -minded explorers, we see you.
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Let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening
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and welcome to another invigorating and informative
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episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm
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the man with the plan, one third of your podcast
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family, the Sigma male himself, Brian Morgan,
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along with the other two thirds of the family,
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the lovely Siren from the Siren of Freedom Podcast.
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What's up, baby? How are you tonight? Doing great.
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Outstanding. And of course, ladies and gentlemen,
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my brother from another mother. I refer to him
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as the nephew, the one and only Socrates. What
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up, dog? What's good? Super excited about this
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episode, man. Super excited. All right. All right.
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All right. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have
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a beautiful. beautiful lady uh coming to us uh
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she is new to the life you know i never say lifestyle
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she's new to the life and she refers to herself
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as a dark feminine and what was that other one
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lifestyle excuse me a dark feminine life coach
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love dark feminine life love coach yeah dark
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feminine love coach gentlemen if that doesn't
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get you dig hard i don't know what does okay
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She goes by the name of Leslie. Ladies and gentlemen,
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give a big round of applause. Hello, Leslie.
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How are you? Hi, Brian. I'm so glad to be here.
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Welcome to the stage. Here we go. Welcome to
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the Bull Brotherhood, sweetie. Welcome to the
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Bull Brotherhood. So happy to be here. Good,
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good. And tonight, ladies and gentlemen, Leslie
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and kind of Leslie and Siren are really going
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to take the lead on a topic that I think a lot
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of women, how do I say it? They get it misunderstood
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when you hear the term big dick energy. Am I
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right or wrong, ladies? For sure. Wrong. Yeah.
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Yeah, definitely. Well, that's what we're going
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to talk about tonight. Leslie, I'm going to turn
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it over. Usually I turn it over to Socrates and
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Simon, but I'm going to turn it over to Leslie
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if she wants to give a big definition of that
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and then give a little background about herself,
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she can. So Leslie, take it over. All right.
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So a man that has big, big energy, in my opinion,
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it's not so much the size of his penis. But it's
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about his energy, his consciousness, the way
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he's able to sexually activate women. And he's
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needed. He's very important because, as I'm sure
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you all know, there's an epidemic of women who
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are not having orgasms or they're only having
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clitoral orgasms. There's an epidemic of women
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who are having all kinds of reproductive health
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issues. And they're not sexually satisfied inside
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of their marriage. And so when they come across
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a man who has big dick energy, they naturally
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feel attracted to him, even if they don't really
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understand why. Like, logically, they may not
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understand why they're so drawn to this man,
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but it's because their body needs him. And the
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way I describe it to my audience is like. It's
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like giving your car, like if your battery dies
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in your car and you need to jumpstart the battery,
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well, that's what a man with big, big energy
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does. He jumpstarts women's batteries so that
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they can start to feel sexual energy again, so
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they can start to orgasm again. And so that's
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what I'm referring to when I use the term big,
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big energy. So it's the aura that that man brings
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to the table, not the physical anatomy. Okay.
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I mean, he could have a big dick. I mean, that
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helps. I know that helps. I know you all want
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that, ladies. I know that's what you want. But,
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though, the aura, the aura is what you're talking
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about right now, correct? Yeah. Yeah, you could
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feel that this man has sexual confidence, and
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most times these men, they are not monogamous.
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Okay. Okay. Keep going. You've got my ear now.
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You've got my ear. I know I'm going to chime
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in a whole lot. So, I mean, that's what happened
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to me. I was in a committed relationship, common
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law marriage for 11 years, and I was only having
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clitoral orgasms even after having two kids.
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And I tried everything. I tried therapy. I tried
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changing my diet, nutrition, herbs, and I couldn't
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figure out how to have a vaginal orgasm. And
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then... One day I met this man at work and he
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was just, oh my God, he just oozed sex appeal.
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He was so unbelievably sexy. And I wasn't looking
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to date anyone. I thought, okay, I'm doing monogamy
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for the rest of my life. But I just knew instantly,
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this man can help me. He has it. I don't know
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what it is that's about him, but I know that
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he has what I'm seeking. And so I tried to get
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involved with him. I told him I was interested.
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And he was willing to have sex with me, but he
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wanted us to get together secretly, and I didn't
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want to do it secretly. I told my spouse that
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I wanted to be with this other man. I wanted
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to open my relationship, and that did not work
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at all. My spouse did not want to open our relationship,
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and I didn't want to spend the rest of my life
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not being able to enjoy sex. So long story short,
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our relationship dissolved. And but that man
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at my workplace, even though we didn't actually
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have sex, like he just he activated me like I
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actually had a full body orgasm in his physical
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presence without him touching me. And that like
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opened my eyes. I was like, holy shit, I didn't
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even know that this was even possible. And so
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that started me on a journey of like learning
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more about female sexuality. And then some years
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later, I met my current. partner my current dark
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masculine man and he is married he's in an open
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marriage and um he helped me a lot sexually he
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helped me to become more orgasmic so he did exactly
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what i needed him to do but the problem was that
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i became digmatized by him and i became obsessed
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with him and i turned into like like just a maniac
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and this is what happens to a lot of women like
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that's the the dark side to this is that Yes,
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this man can jumpstart your battery, but if you
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don't know what you're doing, you can get totally
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addicted to him, and that's what a lot of people
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are referring to as anxious attachment. It's
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really just that you're addicted to his penis,
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and now you want to control him, and now you
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want to have him all to yourself, and that's
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never going to work with a dark masculine man.
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100 % agree. The two men, those two gentlemen,
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right? Before you ever had sex with any one of
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them, tell me what their aura was like. Because
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you said when you got in front of them, they
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just had that it. That's what I call it. I call
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it that it. Both of them, they are attractive
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to a lot of women. It wasn't just me. A lot of
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women want to be with them. It's hard to put
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into words. You just know that this man knows
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that he's the shit. He knows he can fuck. He
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knows a lot of women want him. You can just feel
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it. It's the charisma. I know charisma and aura
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is the same thing, but it's that charisma. When
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he walks in the room, I can picture it right
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now. He didn't walk in the room. He took the
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room when he walked in. Everybody stopped. and
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looked at him um yeah he knew he knew he knew
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what he looked like he knew he looked good but
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at the same time he wasn't trying to flaunt it
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because he didn't have to flaunt it all right
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the was just there it was there and he knew that
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he was going to draw you in um and he was even
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out of his peripheral as i call it because i
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i like to like walk in a room and like just see
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who's going to like hold their head up or maybe
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do the double take. And, and, and that, I mean,
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that makes your chest stick out a little bit
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more that, that makes that, that, um, what do
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people call this stuff? It's almost like you
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have that damn magical cologne on or something
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like that. And everybody can smell you, you know
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what I mean? And it just draws, it just draws,
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it draws the women in, but that's that charisma.
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That's, that's what I, that's what I tell nephew
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all the time. that we are looking for in our
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Bull Brotherhood. That's what the Bull Brotherhood
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should be to me. Those guys that can walk in
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a room, take the room, immediately take the damn
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room. They don't have to open their mouth. All
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they have to do, just like my 91 -year -old father
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used to tell me, walk around, let them see the
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goods a couple of times, go somewhere and sit
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down. Exactly. That's it. That is it. That's
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it. That is it. That is it. And you sit there,
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you get your drink or whatever beverage you're
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drinking, or you just sit there. You just sit
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there. You read a book, whatever. And the women
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are looking at you like, who the fuck is this
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dude? Some people be like, God, he's so arrogant.
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But then her pussy's saying, oh, my God, I'm
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so fucking wet right now. You know what I mean?
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I want to meet you. I want to meet you. So that's
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that charisma that I'm talking about, nephew.
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You ain't talking, damn it. Say something to
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me. That's what I'm talking about, nephew. I
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know you're going to chime in now. I ain't heard
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you charged up like this. So a student knows
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when to shut up and let the master go off. So
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I was just taking it in. Well, because, well,
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this is the first, this is really the first guest
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that we have had that has come out and said,
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you know, what I had been saying the whole time.
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But she's giving a woman's point of view. And
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I know Siren knows. Siren knows exactly what
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I'm talking about, too. Yeah, this whole thing
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is because of Siren. She's the one that saw it.
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She sent it to me. I jumped on it. I actually
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paid her for her counseling and have been following
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her ever since. And Leslie, did I not say this
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last night? I was like, this is everything my
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mentor, Brian Morgan, has been saying. Did I
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not say that last night to you? This is the Sigma
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male. You are describing the Sigma male archetype.
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You are. Not the alpha. You are describing us.
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The Sigma males out there. Alpha types are better
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for war. See, what I understood now is alpha
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types are better for war. We'll talk about that
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later. Leslie, I have a few questions for you,
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if you don't mind. Yeah, yes. Well, one thing
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I want to say, I'm just correcting the record
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so that we can only, not to correct you, but
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to be on the same page. I call ethical non -monogamy
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an umbrella. And within yours, I would say your
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situation is open relationship. And my definition
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of that is not a lot of definitions, not a lot
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of structure, just we're open, we'll figure it
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out. What we are is under the swinger umbrella,
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I don't know, subsection, but we're niche down.
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We are into stag vixen couples, cuckold couples.
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I'm the only one that really even likes to kind
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of, you know, for the ones that I do, I'm the
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one that kind of is almost equal with unicorns.
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Like I'll take a unicorn. A lot of the people
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that I know, unicorns are not exactly their go
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-to. It's not anything wrong. It's just kind
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of a vibe is different. So we have this subsection.
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You are ethically non -monogamous. You're just
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not a swinger because you were open immediately
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to doing two things. looking outside of your
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marriage or main relationship to have needs met,
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and doing it ethically and in communication.
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That's ethical non -monogamy in a nutshell. So
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she was in without knowing. 120%. 120%. You knew
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what you wanted immediately, and I'm assuming
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you went and you approached the husband at the
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time. You didn't hesitate. You sat down with
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him. or whatever, and you told him exactly what
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you wanted. I applaud you. I applaud you for
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that because a lot of women would not have, you
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know, had the balls to go there and do that.
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And you knew what you wanted. So I want to comment
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on that is that you knew what you wanted. Like
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I was in a very unfulfilled marriage for 10 years,
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you know, where we were, I was lucky to have
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sex once a week. And I just always felt starving
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and unfulfilled. And I didn't know this world
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was out there. So I didn't even know it was a
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possibility to go and ask for that. So the fact
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that you knew to go, you know, by whatever means,
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you know, of intuition or, you know, you were
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educated yourself in different manners. Like
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that's the part that I'm just like so proud of
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you is that like you knew to go get it because
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I was like, I just thought I was going to be
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in this sexless life forever. So. Very thankful
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to be on the other side. Well, yeah. Well, my
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current partner who I've been involved with for
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15 years, I originally came to him as a client
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because he's a coach himself. He's a Tantra practitioner.
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And so I came to him to help me to orgasm. And
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this happens a lot. Like a lot of women, they'll
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get with male Tantra practitioners. And they
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know that these men are poly. They know that
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they're man whores. And they get involved with
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them. And then. And I've seen this happen so
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many times. They then try to get him to be monogamous.
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Yeah. And it turns into a very frustrating endeavor.
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Yeah. I got so much to share about this. We're
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going to have to do a whole other episode just
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on some of the things that I have to share about
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my entire story and the way you're breaking this
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down. But here's my first question. In our life,
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what you're describing, what we call angst, but.
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you described it as the reaction to women calling
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men narcissists, calling men all these things.
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For us and for me, philosophically for me, let
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me speak for myself, all of that is caused in
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the culture of monogamy, in my opinion. All of
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it is caused. So that being said, I'm saying
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all this to set up the question. In our world,
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There's none of that if you do it right. And
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that's what the Bull Brotherhood's podcast represents.
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It's doing it at a high level to get really great
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results like and consistently and without a lot
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of trauma and challenges. So I'm saying that
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to set up. We don't have that tension. that almost
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taboo that extra oh not only am i doing this
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but i'm doing it taboo to everybody because on
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this end with we play with taboo but it ain't
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like oh as nasty as you get the better you know
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but on that end it's that taboo end so my queer
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is my question considering that on the on the
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what i call the monogamous culture side of things
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um There's tension. There's excitement because
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it's taboo. Ooh, I'm not supposed to want to
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sleep with him because I'm married. And I'm not
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going to tell my husband because he'll flip out.
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And ooh, now I'm bad. I have to go to church
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and go to the priest and get three Hail Marys
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and all of these things, right? I've learned
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it's kind of actually part of it. It's actually
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a part of the relationship. On this end, we don't
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have that. It's like, ooh, bull, do all this
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stuff. Everything we're looking for in a bull
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is exactly what you're describing. Go get it.
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Get online. Talk to them. And some of these women
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are very, very aggressive and assertive with
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this. Do you think there's any power lost that
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we experience over here? Because Unk has had
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a few obsessed ones. I think the way that it's
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structured in the swinger community makes a lot
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of sense because the woman has her husband involved,
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whether he's a cook or a stag, the husband is
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involved. So she has a primary partner. Outside
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of the swinger community. What tends to happen
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is a lot of these women, they don't have a primary
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partner. They don't have any other man. So all
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they have is their dark masculine man. And so
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they're trying to get all their needs met from
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him, and it's not going to work. And that's why
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my partner, he encourages all of his female partners
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to have a primary partner, to have another man
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or multiple men or have a husband. Because when
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the woman... is just solely focused on the dark
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masculine man and she has no other outlets, she
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goes crazy. She becomes obsessed. She becomes
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an addict. And it's really ugly. I think the
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way the swinger community is doing it in a structured
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way where the husband is there, that helps a
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lot. It anchors her. And that's why, you know,
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sometimes, you know, well in the lifestyle community,
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like the unicorns, the single females, you know,
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like, you know, they can be a bit of a challenge
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in some ways. I find that the easiest, you know,
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situations and relationships for me to accept
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and handle with my husband is when he is with
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someone that's partnered. It's definitely just
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makes it a lot smoother. Yeah, it's more balanced.
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Yeah, so I agree with you. But it's not always
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possible to find what you're looking for with
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someone that's partnered. But I definitely agree
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that it's definitely more ideal. And as for me,
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though, I will hardly ever find a married or
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partnered guy to be a consistent play partner.
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you know in my area now when i travel it's a
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different story but i think that i'll know all
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the guys that i have gone and visited have all
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been single so i think it's different i think
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it's different for a man i really do yeah he
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doesn't need the anchor but he's also let me
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he kind of likes that married pussy that he can
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just uh have fun with and then send home and
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doesn't have to pay any bills so let me say but
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let me say this to the ladies though uh ladies
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you can you can have that that married man at
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home all right or that boyfriend or whatever
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at home but you can get digmatized yeah that's
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very very true but it's up to that bull though
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to keep you guys keep you grounded also i agree
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with that it's up to that bull it's up to that
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bull it's up to that bull that good bull he's
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never gonna let you forget that you are married
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that you are taken you are committed to that
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husband all right no matter how much you digmatize
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by by me or whoever the other you know the bull
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is uh you still you're his all right and i'm
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not i'm never gonna i'm never gonna come in between
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that to try to try to have a rift between you
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two i think i think also on the other hand the
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married bull sorry brian i didn't mean to interrupt
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yeah go ahead my like my husband's a married
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bull i think he does a very good job of keeping
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the single women you know in the same way you
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know like hey i'm married he talks about me all
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the time they're probably like they have to listen
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to like 30 minutes of talk about me before they
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even get to the dick probably every single play
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date so you know they're like yeah yeah okay
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i gotta sit through this 30 minutes of wife wife
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love love and then i get the dick so you know
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he has his uh he has his balance and check system
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as well Yeah. And I think the married, the married
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boy, I think nephew has a, maybe a harder time
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sometimes because that's, if he's playing with
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that single unicorn and she gets digmatized,
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uh, that, that can, you know, that can be here
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again. He's got, he, he has to really come out
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and say, look, I got to go home. That's all it
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is to it. Well, you know, there are boundaries.
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He did. He did the other day. Well, you know,
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I mean, There was a situation. Ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm different. I'm extreme. Don't have to do
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this at home. However, I know I'm getting less
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play because I'm married. Some women, it don't
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matter how I conduct myself, how much of a whatever
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I am, unless I pursue them. And I don't like
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pursuing people and trying to change their mind
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or anything. People have told my wife straight
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up, oh, you're his partner and I'm not interested.
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So there's that. Number two, I know there's women
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that, you know, are just hesitant to do it, period.
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And number three, my wife is a huge personality
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and a lot of women interpret that. I'll repeat
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that word, interpret that as unapproachable or
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not, you know, she's drama or whatever. She just,
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she's a big personality, stands on what she stands
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and she's a little bit. She's very intent in
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getting people to understand the value of what
28:50
I bring, and I'm like, that's for them to discover.
28:53
I know, I know. It's hard for me. It's kind of
28:57
like if you have anything of value. Like, oh,
29:02
say you got a 10 -carat diamond ring, but then
29:05
you're showing it to like... for lack of a better
29:08
example, you know, you're showing it to a two
29:10
-year -old kid, right? And they're like, all
29:12
they want to do is chew and slobber on it because
29:14
it's shiny, right? And you're like, no, this
29:16
is a 10 -carat diamond ring. So sometimes it
29:18
feels like that a little bit. But again, I've
29:21
had to just step back, take deep breath, let
29:23
him handle it, you know, because I want, you
29:25
know, he's the love of my life. He's, you know,
29:27
I think he's amazing in every way. And sometimes
29:30
I'm just like, I can't understand why people
29:32
don't say that. But they haven't had the time.
29:35
They haven't had the time to discover it either.
29:38
And look, y 'all, that's my wife. What I believe
29:41
is I'm not to some people. Some people I am like,
29:44
get away from me. Everybody has their own preferences.
29:47
My point I was going to make, though, is that
29:50
here's the trick, guys. If you want to stay deep
29:55
in and have great relationship with unicorns,
29:58
structure has to be insane. And mine is. We're
30:01
on a calendar. I'm like, come at 6 and you'll
30:03
leave at 11. That's it. And I was like, there's
30:06
been times when she's like, oh, I really have
30:08
to stay more. Come at 6 and leave at 11. Like,
30:10
that's me. And she's right. I don't do it a lot.
30:13
I don't do it in a way that puts the woman down
30:16
or making her, but I. I tell the truth in the
30:21
sense that I live an amazing life because I met
30:23
her. I was big pimping before I met her. I was
30:25
a fuckboy big pimping in the lifestyle trying
30:28
to be a bull before I met her. Don't worry about
30:31
that. I was doing my thing. Her coming into my
30:34
life, my dreams started fucking flourishing.
30:37
So I'm going to tell people that. But I have
30:41
a strong fucking structure that everyone knows.
30:45
You can blow my mind as my girlfriend. because
30:48
we're probably as my sub, because we're also
30:50
in kink, or as my regular play partner or friend
30:54
with benefits and lifestyle, we can go to the
30:57
depths of all of that and the depths of joy,
30:59
but you ain't getting a damn nowhere close to
31:03
my wife. Understand that before the first time
31:05
we play. That's my structure. Now, some women
31:09
don't want to hear all that. That's too much
31:11
reality. But my process is to give you a lot
31:15
more. of an experience that you remember. So
31:18
that's how I do it. But a lot of people, yeah,
31:23
like Unka's saying, some people blame it on the
31:26
unicorn. Some people blame it on the bull or
31:28
whatever. For us, we're going to say that the
31:30
bull is the leader. He's the authority in the
31:33
room. So the Bull Brotherhood says, look, it's
31:38
your duty as well as the cuck's duty as well
31:42
as her duty. but you need to play a part in leading
31:45
them towards this is where it stops. If we're
31:49
poly, like Unk is in a poly relationship, he
31:52
is a throuple, okay, we can have that conversation.
31:55
But you're not poly, you're a unicorn, you're
32:00
still looking for your one, especially women
32:02
looking for the one. There are some great women
32:04
out there that have a career, and they love their
32:07
careers. Maybe it's in... was it raising money,
32:13
philanthropy, right? Maybe it's in something
32:17
that she's really passionate about or a cause
32:19
that she's passionate about. But usually what's
32:22
a good anchor is a husband that she's passionate
32:24
about, right? But if you're with a unicorn and
32:27
you putting it on her, then you want to make,
32:31
and you don't want that to go past, you know,
32:34
just where the lane is. You want her to stay
32:37
in her lane. Then you have to surround her with
32:40
how much you love. your wife and your family
32:42
and your life, you have to make sure the structures
32:45
are clear and you have to, she has to understand
32:48
that I might be flowering you with all kind of
32:51
greatness this weekend, but, but it's time for
32:54
me to get on that plane. I'm getting on my own
32:55
time and it's left there until the next time
32:58
I see you until we talk, you know, and that's
33:01
the key. But I wanted to kind of move into a
33:04
little bit of your personal Your personal journey
33:10
with this, you know, teaching and educating people
33:16
on this. What brought you to the point of saying,
33:19
this is something I really need other people
33:21
to learn. And I need to get this out there. Yeah,
33:26
I guess I would be, I would classify it as a
33:31
unicorn. I didn't have any other partners. I
33:35
still don't. And I was a crazy bitch. I stalked
33:43
him. I spammed him with like 10 million text
33:45
messages whenever he pissed me off. I would call
33:48
his wife. I was just all over the place. I was
33:51
a total mess. I had no discipline. And he had
33:53
to put me in check over and over. I got blocked
33:56
by him. Completely blocked numerous times. And
34:02
it took a long time for him to like... really
34:06
discipline me you know and but but as I as I
34:10
you know matured I realized that okay you know
34:15
what like I'm a big part of this problem like
34:18
I'm not wanting to accept reality I'm being a
34:21
brat you know I'm being a selfish brat and I
34:25
needed to check myself and I feel that like a
34:28
lot of these women that are complaining about
34:30
about avoidant men and narcissistic men these
34:33
women are fucking brats And they're not taking
34:35
any accountability. And they're pointing the
34:37
finger at him. And they're not looking at the
34:39
fact that they're addicts. And they're not willing
34:42
to face reality. You're dealing with a dark masculine
34:45
man. You know he's a man whore. You know he's
34:47
polyamorous. You know he's married. And you just
34:49
insist on having him to yourself. And that's
34:52
craziness. These women need a reality check.
34:55
And I needed a reality check. Once I got the
34:57
reality check, then me and him started to get
34:59
along really well. So the pain and suffering
35:06
that I went through, you know, like I see so
35:09
many women going through the same thing. And
35:11
I just I feel really passionate about helping
35:13
them to, like, understand that you don't need
35:15
to suffer. You just need to face reality. Right.
35:19
How long? How long? Leslie, how long? How long
35:29
before? before the dick wore off a little bit,
35:34
before you realized that you were having that,
35:40
well, that you were the problem? Because, I mean,
35:43
you said a lot right there. You said you were
35:45
texting. It was years. You were texting. It was
35:48
years. Did you say you called a wife or texted
35:51
a wife? I did all, yeah. Whenever he would block
35:55
me, I would call his wife. I would call all his
35:57
friends to try to get them to get to tell him
35:59
to unblock me. Wow. Yeah. Wow. He put it on you.
36:07
He put it on you. Okay. Well, let me say this.
36:12
That's what he's supposed to do. He did his job.
36:15
That's what he was supposed to do. All right?
36:19
Whether you are new to this life or you've been
36:23
in this life 20 damn years. All right? That he
36:27
did sexually. He did what he was supposed to
36:30
do. Mentally, he got inside your head. And, well,
36:37
hell, I ain't going to sit in there for you.
36:39
Claim, train, and own. Yes, sir. I was waiting.
36:42
It's been 30 minutes, honk. He did all that.
36:45
When is he going to see it? He did. He did all
36:50
of that. He humbled me. Yes. Leslie, he claimed
36:55
the mind. He trained the body. He owned the soul.
37:02
He got into your heart. That's what he did to
37:05
you. Claim, train, and own. And I bet that he
37:09
was just as gentlemanly. I bet he respected you.
37:12
He protected you. And he loved you. That dude
37:18
was a signal. He did. But it wasn't easy. I mean,
37:23
this was an emotional roller coaster. It was
37:27
painful. And it was it was very chaotic. And,
37:31
you know, like I said, he blocked me a lot of
37:33
times because he was like, this bitch is nuts.
37:35
This is crazy. Like I have like some men, they
37:38
even put restraining orders on women because
37:41
the woman wants to go about their workplace.
37:43
Oh, Lord. OK, OK. I have a confession. That does
37:47
happen. That happens. I've definitely gotten
37:51
digmatized to the point like I never bothered
37:54
nobody, but like. There was someone that was
37:57
in my life for a year, and after it was over,
37:59
I couldn't let it go. I drove by his house all
38:01
the time just to see if there was cars in the
38:05
driveway for, like, months afterwards. Like,
38:08
I never bothered him. I never messaged him. I
38:10
never, you know, did any of that stuff. But,
38:12
like, I drove by, like, because I just couldn't
38:14
let it go. Yeah. So I can resonate with this.
38:21
It happens. It happens, okay? I was 1990. I was
38:27
in Bosnia, deployed to Bosnia, came back to Germany
38:32
for a two -week leave, met a beautiful lady at
38:37
the club. I basically spent my two weeks with
38:42
her, stupid as I was then, all up in the damn
38:47
housing area in their house. She was married.
38:51
He was downrange, as we call it, also. I get
38:56
back downrange. I end up finding out who he is.
39:00
And I'm like, God damn, this motherfucker's in
39:03
the same battalion that I'm in. You know, I'm
39:06
like, oh, fuck. Yeah, the same battalion. Long
39:08
story short, we did a year in Bosnia. We come
39:12
home. Everybody like when you come back to post
39:17
you. You gather in the gym. You got all the families
39:20
there and everything. Well, we get off the plane
39:23
and get off the bus and come inside of the gym,
39:26
and we're standing there in formation. The colonel
39:30
and the sergeant major dismiss us. My boy, two
39:35
of my boys that went down there with me, they
39:37
see this chick running across the damn court
39:41
towards me. One of them grabs her. And, like,
39:47
hugged her. She was coming to me. Her husband
39:51
was in the next goddamn formation beside me.
39:58
I mean, that's, that's dickmatized. Right. Yeah.
40:02
Yeah. So I know, you know what I mean? I've been
40:06
there. I have been there. I've had them knocking
40:08
on the fucking door. I know you're in there.
40:11
I know you're in there. I know you're in there.
40:14
I know you and I saw you walk up upstairs with
40:16
that bitch and all that. I'm like, oh, my fucking
40:20
God. So can it happen? Yeah, it can happen. It
40:24
can happen. It can be. And I'm speaking to the
40:27
bulls right now. Guys, you have to you have to
40:30
be able to take her and calmly sit her down and
40:37
explain the situation. especially if you are,
40:41
you know, the married bull, because it can end
40:45
up ugly. It really can. But if you know how to
40:50
be calm, if you know how to, you know, and it
40:54
takes a while. It takes a while to talk to her
40:59
and, you know, to let her realize, look, I'm
41:02
not going anywhere, especially if you really
41:05
like her. I'm not going anywhere. You have to
41:09
realize you have somebody. We are playing a dangerous
41:13
game here. I was playing a really dangerous game
41:15
because I could have gotten thrown in the brig,
41:19
everything taken off my collar, thrown out of
41:21
the United States military, the whole nine yards.
41:24
And like I said, I did have a couple of instances
41:27
where I was investigated. I was investigated
41:30
twice in the military, and it was for adultery.
41:34
Luckily, they knew how to write submits. Mouse,
41:38
and the shit was thrown out. But, yeah, yeah,
41:43
Dikmatize is very, very real. It's very, very
41:47
fucking real, you know? So, Leslie, I'm glad
41:51
you recovered. When you realize that, you know,
41:59
you went wrong, what made you, what hit you?
42:06
And, you know, made you realize, okay, damn,
42:08
I'm fucking up now. It was, I got tired of getting
42:13
blocked. You know, just the pain, the pain of
42:16
not having access to him. Okay. I just, like,
42:19
it forced me to finally, like, get my shit together
42:24
and behave properly. Like, he, I stopped being
42:29
a brat. And I realized if I want him in my life,
42:33
if I want to have access to him, I can't verbally
42:36
abuse him. I can't spam him with text messages.
42:40
I can't stalk him. I can't, you know, I have
42:45
to actually respect him. He got the whole King
42:58
Caboodle then. But don't you find, Leslie, that,
43:01
like, being on the other side of all that, that's
43:03
why we're all laughing, right? Because the other
43:05
side is, like, so much more fulfilling, beautiful.
43:09
You know, you're getting your needs met in a
43:11
way that you don't have to be a bratty, sneaky
43:14
little biatch, you know? Like, you can just ask
43:19
and get your needs met, you know, by just surrendering
43:23
to, you know, like what you said, reality. And,
43:26
you know, I just think about some of the men
43:29
that I interacted with and and how I was trying
43:33
to also, you know, lock them down type thing.
43:36
And if I had known about this world, you know,
43:39
I just didn't know. You know, I didn't know about
43:41
these possibilities until Socrates introduced
43:43
it to me. So, you know, you kind of hear some
43:47
like I had asked been asked as a single woman
43:50
about by about 12 different couples to join them
43:54
for a threesome. The way they presented it, I
43:57
didn't really understand the full, you know,
44:01
they probably just were trying to add a woman
44:04
to the mix. You know, they probably weren't educated
44:05
either. And that's why we're so passionate about
44:08
these podcasts and the education of the lifestyle
44:10
because, you know, and that's why, you know,
44:12
what your work is so important as well is like
44:16
we don't know what we don't know. And once we
44:19
have that information, we have those tools, man,
44:22
we can fly. One more thing I wanted to say is
44:27
that when the dark masculine man or the bull
44:31
activates a woman sexually, on the one hand,
44:34
she experiences immense pleasure. But on the
44:37
other hand, he triggers her deepest unhealed
44:40
childhood and ancestral wounds. So if she has
44:43
daddy issues, if she has abandonment wounds,
44:46
if she has rejection wounds, all of that's going
44:50
to come to the surface. And if she doesn't understand
44:54
what's happening, she's going to point the finger
44:57
at him. She's going to think that he's the problem.
45:00
And it's not him. He just triggered stuff that
45:05
she hasn't yet healed. And that's why she's acting
45:07
so crazy. So the job of the dark feminine is
45:11
to then take these triggers that arise and alchemize
45:14
them. And that's how she reclaims more of her
45:17
power. But a lot of women don't know this. Instead,
45:20
they just continue to bitch and complain and
45:22
point the finger and just go in circles. Or what's
45:25
happening now with a lot of women is they just
45:28
get so tired of the emotional roller coaster
45:33
that they go celibate. So now there's a whole
45:36
lot of women that are just completely celibate
45:39
because they've given up on a relationship. They
45:41
can't take the pain anymore. And they just don't
45:44
even want to deal with men anymore. They don't
45:45
want to have sex ever again because it's just
45:47
so painful. And they didn't actually do the work
45:51
of the dark feminine. Right, because they don't
45:54
know. Can you tell me what that word, alchemize,
45:57
that you said, can you use that? Give me a little
46:01
better definition of that. I'd like to learn
46:02
a new thing tonight. Okay. So it's like, instead
46:09
of being stuck in the pain, instead of being
46:11
stuck in, you know, the man that I love the most
46:15
always abandons me. Or it's never there for me.
46:18
Like it's stuck in that daddy wound. You come
46:21
to realize, oh, okay, this is a subconscious
46:23
pattern. This is just something that my subconscious
46:27
mind is replaying over and over and over again.
46:30
He's reminding me of my father or my stepfather.
46:33
Oh, this is what's happening? Oh, okay. I didn't
46:37
explain that, Leslie. I didn't explain that right.
46:41
I was just asking for the definition of the word
46:43
alchemize. And then I just was able to Google
46:45
it. Oh, but it means to transform or to change.
46:49
Cause I was like, well, what does I don't, I'd
46:51
never heard that word. So, okay. But you're explaining
46:54
that, but I just wanted to make sure for anyone
46:56
else who might not know. Yeah. They're not taking
46:59
that and using it to make a change to alchemize.
47:02
As you said, I love, I'm going to use that word
47:04
all the time now. Correct. I love it. Yeah, like
47:09
that's that's why you're drawn. That's why the
47:11
sex is so good, because he's he's triggering
47:14
something that you haven't yet healed. And so
47:17
now you have the opportunity to heal that and
47:20
reclaim all of that, the power from that stuck
47:23
energy or the stuck emotion. So there's an opportunity
47:26
here. But if you're not doing the alchemy or
47:29
the transmutation or the healing, the inner child
47:31
or whatever you want to call it, then you're
47:33
just going to go in circles and then eventually
47:35
you're going to just give up on men and be celibate.
47:38
And that's that. How old was this guy? How old
47:43
is he? Now he's 56. Okay, he's 56 now. He was
47:49
in his 40s when I came along. And you how old?
47:55
I was in my 30s. So I'm eight years younger than
47:58
him. Eight years? Okay. So not too far. I'm 48
48:01
now. Not too far. So I had major daddy issues.
48:05
I didn't grow up with a father. You know, I didn't
48:08
have a father in the home and my mother was very
48:10
abusive. So I had a lot of trauma and he triggered
48:14
that shit. I had to heal that. I had to actually
48:19
do the work to heal that. Okay. Okay. Cool. That
48:26
makes a lot of sense. Great sex is a double -edged
48:30
sword. it's not like you're just going to feel
48:33
the pleasure and that's it. You're going to feel
48:34
the pleasure, but you're also going to feel the
48:36
pain. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. This is a very,
48:46
very good topic tonight. Very good topic. I'm
48:49
so glad that you're on the Bull Brotherhood.
48:51
You are. Thank you. You are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
48:56
And, and, and thank you for your honesty and
48:58
everything. I mean, we're not finished. Keep
49:02
going. I know it's 830, but keep talking. Yeah.
49:07
Like the men, the bulls or the dark masculine
49:10
need to understand like, yeah, you could fuck
49:12
her good, but understand you're going to, you're
49:14
going to trigger all her shit. You know, if she
49:17
didn't have a father in the home, if she has
49:19
abandonment issues, if she was an abused child,
49:22
like all that shit's going to come up and she's
49:25
going to dump it on you. And you need to be prepared
49:28
for that as a man. Yeah. Leslie, do you have
49:34
any questions for us? I know you've been doing
49:38
a quick, you know, last minute education on the
49:43
terms and understanding the dynamic. Is there
49:47
anything that you're curious about how this trends
49:49
over on our end? Yeah, I when I had the conversation
49:55
with you yesterday, you mentioned the Black New
49:57
World Order. And I was amazed by that because
50:00
I had shared. on my Instagram that I really feel
50:03
that one of the best ways to heal racism is through
50:07
sex between the races. And, and then you mentioned
50:11
to me that in the Springer community, there's
50:14
already a lot of that happening. Like a lot of
50:16
bulls are black men and they're being worshiped
50:18
by white women or they have white women who volunteer
50:21
to be their slaves. And I was like, Holy shit.
50:24
Like that blew my mind. So I would love if you
50:27
could talk to me about the black new world order.
50:32
There's so much cool stuff. I can't wait to hear.
50:36
How are you going to narrow that down, boys?
50:42
It blew my mind too, Leslie. So just so you know,
50:44
I've only been in this world for like five years.
50:47
But before that, I dated primarily black men.
50:52
My ex -husband is white. A lot of people see
50:56
my children and they're like, do you know your
50:58
kids are white? You know, ha, ha, ha, because
51:00
they've only known me to be with black men. So
51:04
that's my history of it. But being in the lifestyle
51:07
and hearing more about this is, I mean, it further
51:11
blew my mind. But I loved learning as I went,
51:14
you know, about everything. So I'm not the expert
51:20
to talk about this. I think Pagan would be. We've
51:23
had him on the show a lot of times. I feel like
51:26
I need to get you two on the show together. That
51:28
would be a crime not to. You definitely need
51:31
to be on the Siren of Freedom podcast. We'll
51:33
definitely get that going. But to answer the
51:36
question, I'm going to give you the basics. And,
51:39
you know, listeners, jump in, correct me, you
51:42
know, yell at me, whatever. I'm cool. This is
51:45
what I understand. It's mostly in the play area.
51:48
It's not taken that seriously, I would say, mostly.
51:51
It's more about... black men and women considering
51:57
them this new world order of leadership and dominance
52:02
and the definition of masculinity. I would definitely
52:05
see a dark masculinity, not because our skin
52:08
color, but because of aura that uncle's talking
52:10
about. But the skin color is because we're black
52:13
and our dominance because our dominance. Well,
52:18
let me tell you one of the things that I believe
52:19
in because I'm very adjacent to it. I just don't.
52:22
I don't like the vibe. But I'm very adjacent
52:25
in the sense that black is the original gene.
52:28
It's a fact that we used a black woman's genome
52:31
and mitochondrial DNA to have almost a lot of
52:35
the miracle drugs we have now. These are facts,
52:37
right? The out of Africa theory, right? Our dominance
52:41
through Moors in Europe, all of those kind of
52:43
things. The contributions we've made as black
52:45
people in this country that, you know. 80 % of
52:49
white people don't know and 70 % of black people
52:51
don't know. But I just don't believe in superiority
52:55
or inferiority. I'm just against that concept.
52:58
But that's what it is. You see it a lot in porn.
53:01
I know content creators that do it. That's their
53:05
thing. And there are some that believe in this.
53:09
How much, I don't know. I haven't been around
53:12
anybody who actually thinks that way in the real
53:15
world, outside of play. But that's what it is.
53:19
It's fun. I can see myself doing it down the
53:24
line. I don't do it now. I'm not kind of close
53:26
to it at all, but I can see myself playing with
53:28
that shit maybe three, four years from now. Who
53:30
knows? Maybe next week. I don't know. Not now.
53:33
Not now. When the research is in. When the research
53:35
is in. My wife knows me best. That's what it
53:39
is. When the research is in, we'll see. We'll
53:41
see. When the research is in and you have clarity,
53:43
you're good to go. Yeah. I used to be, you know,
53:47
it's kind of the joke. Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Brian.
53:51
Yeah. No, I was going to say Leslie in the terms
53:53
of, in the terms of sex, I like to be in the,
53:56
the BNWO, just like Onk said, you see it in the,
53:59
in the porn world. It kind of refers to the race
54:02
play, you know, the race play fantasy. Um, but,
54:07
but in the regular world and it does exist in
54:11
the regular world, there are. that is the community
54:14
the black new world order and it's just all about
54:17
where black men are particularly ones that are
54:21
involved in either the hot wife lifestyle or
54:24
sort of swinging lifestyle the bull he is the
54:27
dominant the dominant role model all right when
54:32
that white couple or that other couple the asian
54:36
whatever when they see us they immediately they
54:39
both the woman and the man take this they immediately
54:46
turn submissive to us because they believe that,
54:49
that black, that black man or that black race
54:52
that we are, especially the black man that we
54:56
are, we are that dominant, you know, that dominant
54:59
person. So that's where BNWO comes from, Black
55:03
New World Order. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. That's amazing.
55:06
That's where that comes from. Now, you know.
55:09
I used to. And let me say this. That's why you
55:13
see, like, a lot of times on the women, the women
55:18
will have the Queen of Spades tattoo. Have you
55:21
ever seen that? Like on the ankle or, yeah, yeah.
55:25
Just like the card, Queen of Spades, they will
55:27
have the Queen of Spades tatted somewhere on
55:30
their body. It might be on the breast. It might
55:33
be a regular tattoo somewhere, you know, on an
55:37
arm or something. It could be in the form of
55:39
an anklet. a charm whatever but they'll have
55:43
the queen of spades somewhere on their body or
55:46
tatted on their body and that's telling people
55:49
that she belongs to black men she might be married
55:53
she you know she loves her husband she does she
55:56
loves her family but she belongs to black men
55:59
right if she has that one bull that a couple
56:03
will usually have that one bull that they completely
56:06
trust I mean, completely trust. That bull, let's
56:10
say, for instance, she travels for work. That
56:14
husband will call that bull. If she's going to
56:16
be anywhere near him, near the bull, the husband
56:19
will ask, you know, can she stay with you? Do
56:23
you mind staying with her in the hotel? Et cetera,
56:25
et cetera. And you will say, yeah, your name.
56:28
Usually in my world, yeah, I'm staying with her.
56:32
No problem. The husband can be gone. Yeah, the
56:36
husband can be gone somewhere for work, out of
56:40
town. He will be like, you know, she's going
56:43
to be there for the weekend by herself. You know,
56:46
sir, would you like to go there and stay? Absolutely.
56:50
Or he can be home. He can be home. You know,
56:53
and I call and I'll be there by 3 o 'clock. That
56:57
means in five minutes or three, I'm walking in
56:58
the door. He already knows, have the door unlocked,
57:02
have her dressed like I want her dressed. And
57:05
he's sitting there waiting for me at the door.
57:09
That's part of the BMW. My favorite is having
57:14
the cook on his knees and the wife with her ass
57:20
up, you know, doggy style, face down, ass up.
57:24
That's my favorite one. Either way, either way,
57:28
either way, either way. I prefer to see her at
57:31
the top of the banister. At the top of the staircase,
57:33
dressed like I want to, and he's down on the
57:36
floor on his knees, greeting me the way he should.
57:39
And then she comes down and gets me. And I'll
57:42
tell him when he can come upstairs. That's BMW.
57:48
Okay, and let me tell you this, Leslie, from
57:51
someone who's done what is called cuck sitting.
57:55
These husbands absolutely love this. They are
58:01
just the cuck, the first one that I did the cuck
58:05
sitting with, quivering with just pleasure and
58:09
joy and excitement the entire time all of this
58:13
was happening. And I was flogging him and all
58:16
kinds of stuff. It's beautiful. Like I used to
58:22
be like, oh, I don't know, you know, but the
58:24
more, I mean, I just, I really have a passion
58:26
to get to know more and more about the cuckold
58:28
dynamic. because it's the one that people often
58:33
question in their minds the most. But it's really,
58:39
really cool to see these things. You hear about
58:41
it, and you're like, oh, man, that's a lot. But
58:44
then you see just the joy that they get from
58:47
this and from watching their wives and being
58:50
talked to, however, whether it's degrading or...
58:56
praise or you know whatever they the couple in
59:00
the bowl decide on it's just really beautiful
59:02
to see that experience come about like i could
59:06
just watch a show that just was like live you
59:10
know cuckold couples and bowls like that would
59:13
be fun yeah um we go as deep as owning couples
59:17
and there are some dynamics where you mix in
59:21
the dom sub relationship And the bull is actually
59:25
controlling everything, their finances, their
59:27
schedule, their sex lives, their well -being.
59:31
You know, a lot of them are trainers or into
59:34
health. So they're like managing their diets,
59:37
their exercise. Like it goes that deep, you know,
59:40
considered to be head of the couple. You know
59:43
what I'm saying? Instead of head of household,
59:44
you know. And so I think removing all the taboo
59:49
shit and all of the, you know, the monogamous
59:55
culture structure, because monogamy is fine to
59:58
me. It's just the culture of monogamy is dysfunctional
1:00:00
in our, in my opinion. And so all of that kind
1:00:04
of gets in the way of mastery. And if you heard
1:00:06
the beginning of our show, this is about mastering
1:00:10
something. It's about men actually taking dark
1:00:13
masculine energy and big dick energy and taking
1:00:17
it as a craft and using it responsibly and using
1:00:19
it powerfully. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:25
That's such a great way to rebalance the power
1:00:28
dynamics between black and white. Like I, I just,
1:00:31
I'm, I'm fascinated by this and like, I've never
1:00:34
done cup holding or any of that kind of thing,
1:00:37
but I used to do sex work and most of my clients
1:00:39
are white men and I'm more into tantric sex.
1:00:44
And so like, I have a lot of very healing experiences
1:00:46
with these white men. And, and so because of
1:00:49
that, like, I feel like, like I can't be racist.
1:00:53
Towards white people anymore. Because I've had
1:00:56
so many. Beautiful emotional connections. With
1:01:00
white men. Sexual connections. And I don't believe
1:01:04
that they can be racist anymore. After being
1:01:05
with me. It's just not possible. Well let me
1:01:11
say this. If you were to come to. An event. Like
1:01:17
LOCA. That we go to. You will see that. Although
1:01:21
there's different. types of of play that goes
1:01:25
on you know uh in the rooms and you know in the
1:01:30
playrooms and all that so i i would i i'd probably
1:01:33
be safe to say that that a lot of those couples
1:01:35
don't have a racist bone in their body i mean
1:01:39
if they do they damn sure hide it for four days
1:01:42
you know what i mean they really do they damn
1:01:46
sure hide it very very well for four days but
1:01:49
i i mean i don't I feel very, very comfortable
1:01:52
when I attend that event because those couples
1:01:56
really are, they are wanting very, very badly
1:02:04
to see you walk through that door, to see those
1:02:07
men walk through the door. I mean, that's, you
1:02:10
know, for a lot of the couples, that is their
1:02:12
vacation. They're like, fuck everything else.
1:02:15
This is what, you know, you have couples that
1:02:17
go to every damn splash. Am I right or wrong?
1:02:18
100. Yep. They go to every freaking splash. Yep.
1:02:23
Every one. There's six of them. Every one. All
1:02:25
right. You don't even make it to that many. There
1:02:27
are six. Yeah. I mean, you may have a wife who,
1:02:33
you know, the husband can't make it, but the
1:02:35
husband is like, you know, she'll call the bull.
1:02:38
Can she go with you? you know, or, you know,
1:02:42
she's going to be down there and, and make sure,
1:02:44
you know, that you look after. I mean, that's,
1:02:47
I need my husband to send me to splash with a,
1:02:51
with a bowl soon. I need that. That's a beautiful
1:02:55
thing. That's a beautiful thing. That is a beautiful
1:02:59
thing to me. You know, that trust, that trust
1:03:02
that is, you know, that is brought out. Cause
1:03:06
like I said, this, I mean, this is, this is a
1:03:08
life to me. this is not a lifestyle all right
1:03:11
when i first started it was a lifestyle but now
1:03:14
this is this is my life this is my life and uh
1:03:18
i enjoy meeting at my age now i enjoy meeting
1:03:23
the different you know the younger couples the
1:03:26
older couples um your seasoned vets you know
1:03:30
your ones who like they come to an event or they
1:03:34
they want to they want to talk about the world
1:03:37
you know and i can tell okay yeah they've been
1:03:39
talking they've you know they've been communicating
1:03:42
at home or maybe they watch some videos or something
1:03:45
or whatever but they're they're so interested
1:03:47
this this is big this thing is big yeah and i
1:03:51
mean not only in the united states but in the
1:03:53
world okay i live in europe 14 years that's where
1:03:57
i got my start That's where I got my start as
1:04:00
a little young 26 -year -old sergeant in the
1:04:04
United States Army. And I was turned out by a
1:04:07
beautiful 48 -year -old Russian socialite businesswoman.
1:04:12
And Brian Morgan was born. And he has evolved
1:04:16
ever since then. That was 33 years ago. 33 years
1:04:22
ago. So I've been there, done that. I have. And
1:04:26
when I say this is a beautiful and here again,
1:04:29
this is a part of that new world order. You know,
1:04:33
this is a beautiful world to be, you know, to
1:04:36
live in and to experience. And when you have
1:04:39
the right partner or husband or whatever, when
1:04:45
you have the right partner and you guys can sit
1:04:47
down and truly. Openly and honestly discuss everything.
1:04:55
amongst each other, man, you can't go wrong.
1:05:00
You can have some great experiences. You can
1:05:03
meet some great people. And you can just have
1:05:06
the time of your damn life. You really can. And
1:05:10
you sound like, from what I've listened to tonight,
1:05:13
you sound like somebody who you get it. You do.
1:05:19
You get it. You really do get it. And I am hoping
1:05:22
that you can find or you if you found that right
1:05:28
guy now um that can lead you you know lead you
1:05:34
even further into the promised land because i
1:05:36
i i do believe hell if i met you i already know
1:05:40
what would happen But if I met you, I already
1:05:44
know what would happen. I really would. And who
1:05:49
knows? That might happen one day. Maybe. Yeah.
1:05:54
I can hear you blushing. You have that it about
1:05:57
you. You have that it about you. You would like,
1:06:06
you know, you would fall under the spell. Many
1:06:09
have, many have. You have that, you have that
1:06:12
it about you. And I would, I would love to, I
1:06:15
would definitely love to meet you. I really would.
1:06:19
Definitely love to meet you. It has been indeed
1:06:21
a pleasure, a pleasure talking to you tonight.
1:06:25
It has. Thank you. It has. Socrates, Siren, what
1:06:33
you got? Well, I mean, we're, we're, you know,
1:06:36
time is upon us. Yeah. We can, I want to keep,
1:06:43
we're going to do this again. Yeah. I want to,
1:06:44
I want, I want you on, I want you on. I also
1:06:47
follow your, I'm not sure if that's your husband
1:06:49
or one of your partners, the guy with locks,
1:06:52
you guys are doing things together. Yeah. He's
1:06:56
my, he's married. He's been married for 30 years
1:06:58
to his wife, Kenya Steven. So they're both on
1:07:01
Instagram. They have a huge following. Yeah,
1:07:05
so, yeah, keep following him. Now, are they lifestyle
1:07:08
or hot wife couple? No, they're polyam, open
1:07:12
relating, open marriage. Just open marriage,
1:07:15
okay. Yeah, they're not swingers. Okay, cool.
1:07:18
Yeah. Good deal. Yeah, so, yeah, so, you know,
1:07:24
we follow him. I do, you know, and we love your
1:07:29
show. So, you know, shout us out. Tell me, again,
1:07:33
what you do, what the name of your company is,
1:07:36
all of your handles. Let people know how we can
1:07:40
get in touch with you. Yeah, just look up Leslie
1:07:45
Tavenier, L -E -S -L -E -Y -T -A -V -E -R -N
1:07:51
-I -E -R. I use the same name on Instagram, TikTok,
1:07:54
Facebook, YouTube. It's the same thing. My website
1:07:57
is leslietavenier .com. Look me up on Instagram.
1:08:04
That's probably the quick way we can talk. So
1:08:09
you're on YouTube? You got stuff on YouTube?
1:08:11
I am on YouTube. I do a podcast with Rakim Sekou,
1:08:15
and I usually interview him. So there's like,
1:08:18
I don't know, like 30 or 40 episodes of us on
1:08:21
my YouTube channel. I'm about to hear some of
1:08:25
that right now. I damn sure am. Okay. Oh. Anything
1:08:32
else, ladies and gentlemen? That's it, man. We
1:08:34
really enjoyed the show. We really enjoyed you.
1:08:36
We look forward to having you back and, you know,
1:08:39
having you on the Siren of Freedom podcast. So,
1:08:42
yeah. I love that. And again, Leslie, thank you
1:08:50
so much for being on the Boy Brotherhood podcast.
1:08:52
All right. And we are definitely looking forward
1:08:54
to have you on again. And if there's nothing
1:08:59
else to say. Hit that music, nephew. Ladies and
1:09:04
gentlemen, again, we'd like to thank Leslie for
1:09:06
coming on the Bull Brotherhood podcast tonight
1:09:08
for a very, very informative conversation about
1:09:12
big dick energy. I hope you guys learned something.
1:09:18
And as always, for me, a .k .a. the Sigma Male,
1:09:22
Socrates and Siren, to all my bulls out there,
1:09:26
hope you listen tonight. I consider this a...
1:09:30
Good night. And for all my lovely unicorns and
1:09:34
hot wives out there, good morning. Until we speak
1:09:38
again, everybody have a wonderful night. Auf
1:09:42
Wiedersehen. Cheers. Bye -bye.