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UK Column News - 24th October 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the twenty fourth of October twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: just after one o'clock and welcome to the UK Colin News.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host Mike Romson, my co host and studio
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Speaker 2: today Patrick Henningson, welcomes the program.
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Speaker 1: Patrick.
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Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Mike, and we'll be joined
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Speaker 2: today by Basil Valentine and David miller I. Later in
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Speaker 2: the program, we're going to be covering the acquittal of
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Speaker 2: soldier f over the killings on Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland,
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Speaker 2: and we'll be looking at the increasing tensions between the
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Speaker 2: US and Russia. And in fact we'll have a little
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Speaker 2: bit at the end about the on the latest from
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Speaker 2: Starmer on Digital ID. But we're going to begin with
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Speaker 2: censorship and medical censorship Patrick, and really censorship of anyone
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Speaker 2: speaking out about Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Well this year, three really important stories, huge precedent potentially
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Speaker 3: precedent cases here and it's really a trifector Mike this week.
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Speaker 3: The first is the story of doctor rame A Ladwin
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Speaker 3: and she was arrested in her home a few days
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Speaker 3: ago and then she's being put on double jeopardy with
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Speaker 3: the General Medical Council trying to basically well, the Israeli
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Speaker 3: lobby and pressure groups want to take away her medical
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Speaker 3: licenser ability to practice medicine. The other is the lawyer
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Speaker 3: for Hamas, who is representing Hamas through regarding the proscription
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Speaker 3: label of the group in the UK courts. His name
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Speaker 3: is Fahad and sorry, he has also been arrested under
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Speaker 3: the Terrorism Act. We'll look at his case as well
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Speaker 3: as the fast we call them fast jury trials or
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Speaker 3: no jury trials, speed trials with no jury for all
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Speaker 3: the Palestine Action activists who've been arrested that's going through
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Speaker 3: right now. Let's take a look at all three of
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Speaker 3: those real briefly, and then we're going to connect with
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Speaker 3: Basil Valentine for some analysis on this. But first and
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Speaker 3: foremost here, and by the way, I could only find
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Speaker 3: this article that had a fair headline. The mainstream is
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Speaker 3: just out to destroy this doctor, rame A Ladwan and
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Speaker 3: this headline British Palestinian NHS doctor silenced by UK Medical
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Speaker 3: Council after arrest over pro Palestine comments. But this is
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Speaker 3: the thing, Mike, when you go to Google here, I
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Speaker 3: typed in her name and I'm looking for this is
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Speaker 3: what pops up they're making the whole stories about her necklace.
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Speaker 3: She had a number seven around her neck, So the
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Speaker 3: Daily Mail, the Times, everybody's all over that, and just
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Speaker 3: to scroll through here and it's anti Semite, calling for jihad.
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Speaker 3: They're going on about her number seven charm, her terror
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Speaker 3: charm around her neck. You can't there's the the pressor
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Speaker 3: not interested in the issue of free speech and due
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Speaker 3: process and her basic rights and the fact she's been
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Speaker 3: put through double jeopardy here. Now. She had a hearing yesterday, Mike.
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Speaker 3: We thought there was going to be a decision, but
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Speaker 3: they've just kicked the can down the road a bit
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Speaker 3: further and she's going to have to be put on
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Speaker 3: trial for the exact same thing she was acquitted for
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Speaker 3: just a few weeks ago, and with no new evidence presented.
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Speaker 3: Here she is right outside the steps of the hearing.
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Speaker 4: I'm basically here again four weeks later for the exact
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Speaker 4: same speech that a panel here, an independent panel said
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Speaker 4: was fine. Just because the Israeli Jewish lobby has an
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Speaker 4: issue with what I said and the fact that I
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Speaker 4: want They don't want the movement. They don't want people
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Speaker 4: to be able to make the same arguments.
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Speaker 5: To be able to have that freedom of speech.
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Speaker 6: We paid the General Medical Council to make sure that
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Speaker 6: we're safe for British patients, not to make sure that
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Speaker 6: what we say doesn't upset Israel. This is not how
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Speaker 6: our medical regulator. And certainly I'm shocked that the mpts
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Speaker 6: have buckled. I mean the mpts have today themselves determined
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Speaker 6: that they're ruling that they only four weeks ago, cannot
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Speaker 6: stand that they cannot push back against the GMC.
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Speaker 7: We're acting on behalf of Israel.
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Speaker 5: That should worry A four.
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Speaker 8: That should worry every single British doctor and patient and citizen.
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Speaker 8: This is independent regulations being influenced by.
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Speaker 4: A foreign hostile entity.
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Speaker 8: They just mightdered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and bond hospitals,
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Speaker 8: raped doctors to death and kidnapped contorted them.
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Speaker 3: Makes a pretty strong argument there. So they're trying to
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Speaker 3: prevent her from doing her job because of statements she
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Speaker 3: made I believe at a previous rally regarding Palestine or
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Speaker 3: with Palestine action or something like this. So the other
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Speaker 3: case here, Mike, is this one. We'll bring this up
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Speaker 3: on screen. This is the lawyer who is UK lawyer
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Speaker 3: representing harmas over the prescription label. Here his name is
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Speaker 3: Fad and sorry and this is his page up at
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Speaker 3: Cage International. They're advocating on his behalf. He has been
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Speaker 3: detained under the Terrorism Act and digitally strip searched and
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Speaker 3: he's not given proper due process or rights in defending
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Speaker 3: himself as a UK qualified lawyer. Here's his statement.
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Speaker 9: But to kick me out of court, to kick my
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Speaker 9: lawyers out of court at this point and say we
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Speaker 9: now need to go into clothes and we're going to
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Speaker 9: actually have a conversation with a judge that you will
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Speaker 9: never know what happened there.
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Speaker 5: You never know the justification.
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Speaker 9: You've never seen that deal. That is simply unfair. And
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Speaker 9: you ask any child whether this is fair, they will
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Speaker 9: say this is how could that be fair?
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Speaker 1: You didn't hear my side of the story.
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Speaker 9: But we've become conditioned to accept unfairness. The last twenty
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Speaker 9: five years of war and terror has conditioned the British
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Speaker 9: public to accept secret evidence in our courts, to accept
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Speaker 9: an abandonment of the rule of law, to accept people
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Speaker 9: being arrested for terrorism for holding up placards. So we
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Speaker 9: have been fighting this for over two decades now, is
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Speaker 9: not the time to back off. And the fact that
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Speaker 9: all of.
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Speaker 5: You guys here.
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Speaker 9: Today really encourages me. It's not about me. It's not
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Speaker 9: the fact that I'm a solicitor. I'm a lawyer. The
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Speaker 9: principle is greater than this. Nobody should be allowed to
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Speaker 9: take your phone at a border without suspicion, without suspicion.
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Speaker 9: I just stress that, and do a digital strip start
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Speaker 9: on you under the compulsion that if you don't comply,
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Speaker 9: you will be convicted of terrorism.
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Speaker 5: That is not what should be happening. And it's not
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Speaker 5: about me. I need to stress this.
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Speaker 9: It is about all of us, and most fundamentally, it
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Speaker 9: is about Palestine.
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Speaker 5: Free Palestine.
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Speaker 3: And he does have a fundraiser here. We'll put that
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Speaker 3: up on screen. This is crowd Justice and he is
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Speaker 3: raising money for defense on this obviously, Mike. It's such
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Speaker 3: an important issue. We're talking about basic rights here that
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Speaker 3: actually affects everybody, including some of our journalistic colleagues who
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Speaker 3: have been subject to this type of treatment as well.
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Speaker 3: And the third story will bring this up on screen
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Speaker 3: right now. This is from Craig Murray's website, and I
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Speaker 3: just remind people Craig Murray's one of the greatest court reporters,
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Speaker 3: probably in history, for what he's done over the years,
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Speaker 3: doing the hard work, the yeoman's labor. From the gallery
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Speaker 3: of courtrooms for here he is thirty six minute trials
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Speaker 3: and no jury. Starmar's fascist mass courts. What's he talking
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Speaker 3: about here, Well, he's talking about all of the people
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Speaker 3: who've been arrested for saying they support Palestine Action Direct
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Speaker 3: Action grassroots group. Here and this is from Murray. The
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Speaker 3: plans are devised by Justice Michael Snow. He is the
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Speaker 3: epitome of judicial prejudice. When Julius Songe appeared before Snow
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Speaker 3: in the first hearing after being dragged from the embassy,
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Speaker 3: Snow called Assange a narcissist, even though Assange had said
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Speaker 3: nothing but to confirm his name and had no evidence
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Speaker 3: that had been led to that arrest. So and he
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Speaker 3: goes on here, this is describing the situation they've Snows
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Speaker 3: to create. Two thousand people charged under Section thirteen of
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Speaker 3: the Terrorism Act for supporting Palestine Action, who's just been
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Speaker 3: recently labeled a terrorist group by the British government, to
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Speaker 3: be tried in batches of five at a rate of
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Speaker 3: ten people per day, giving thirty six court minutes for
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Speaker 3: each defendant. This is a farce as Murray a spectacle,
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Speaker 3: a mass show trial, and the thirty six minutes includes
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Speaker 3: both prosecution and defense cases and cross examination. Pretty incredible,
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Speaker 3: isn't it. So with that, I want to bring on
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Speaker 3: our guest, Basil Valentine. He is a political analyst based
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Speaker 3: in the UK. Basil, Welcome to the program. Let's start
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Speaker 3: in order here, Basil. The first one is the case
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Speaker 3: of doctor Rame A Ladwan. Your thoughts on how this
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Speaker 3: proceedings have on and what the implications are go ahead, Basil.
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Speaker 10: Well after Rami was acquitted by the Medical Tribunal Service
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Speaker 10: last month, where Streeting started bleating about how he disagreed
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Speaker 10: with the decision it's no business to do so because
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Speaker 10: it's an independent professional body. And then only last week
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Speaker 10: here Starmer started making noises about changing legislation to interfere
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Speaker 10: with these independent professional bodies and their ability to regulate,
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Speaker 10: be it doctors, lawyers, or anybody else. It so happens
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Speaker 10: that Rame is a doctor, but the same may apply
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Speaker 10: to solicitors or any other regulated sector or indeed trade
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Speaker 10: unionists across the employment spectrum. Now, the Tribunal found last
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Speaker 10: month that rame speech was protected under the European Convention
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Speaker 10: of Human Rights.
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Speaker 5: It said nothing illegal at all.
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Speaker 10: But yesterday the General Medical Council claimed that they didn't
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Speaker 10: like the flavor.
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Speaker 5: Of what she was saying, which is an interesting thing.
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Speaker 10: And she was silenced when she attempted to address the
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Speaker 10: panel as well, silence there. And of course Ram is
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Speaker 10: silenced in the corporate media, never allowed to present her
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Speaker 10: case on any major network or anything, because, of course
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Speaker 10: her case comes across as perfectly reasonable, humane and humanitarian.
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Speaker 10: She's a British of Palestinian origin and a direct victim
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Speaker 10: of genocide. That's the whole point, and that's why she's
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Speaker 10: in Britain in the first place and not practicing medicine
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Speaker 10: in Palestine. So the reason why her case has been
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Speaker 10: heard again is because the so called campaign against anti
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Speaker 10: Semitism lobbied the government who bow to their pressure to
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Speaker 10: go for this retrial. Now we'll find out in two
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Speaker 10: weeks time. Basically what they're trying to do is all
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Speaker 10: to the terms of reference or the way that what
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Speaker 10: she said was interpreted to somehow the aim of the
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Speaker 10: exercise find her guilty. When the next hearing comes around,
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Speaker 10: it's absolutely disgraceful and these establishment organs that sort of
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Speaker 10: claim to represent the rule of law are in fact
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Speaker 10: doing the quite opposite. They're undermining the rule of law
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Speaker 10: by undermining due process and independent bodies like medical practitioners
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Speaker 10: Tribunal Service. Incidentally, this video which we can see as
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Speaker 10: well of her arrest. The police informed the GMC, the
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Speaker 10: General Medical Counsel about this, gave them full details of
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Speaker 10: her arrest, even though the GMC themselves had said to
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Speaker 10: Rame back in May in reference to a previous arrest
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Speaker 10: when she was a supporter of the now prescribed Palestine Action,
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Speaker 10: that they the GMC, we're not interested in mere arrests,
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Speaker 10: only if she was charged and convicted. And yet that
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Speaker 10: seems now to have changed, and there is collusion between
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Speaker 10: the police and the GMC.
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Speaker 5: The theory being.
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Speaker 10: That you know, it's grist to the mill, isn't it
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Speaker 10: to say, you know, we've got a wrong and here, look,
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Speaker 10: we had to arrest her only earlier this week, so
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Speaker 10: you know, no smoke without fire and all that sort
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Speaker 10: of thing, even though of course the arrest was on
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Speaker 10: the grounds that were lastly curious, very much I think
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Speaker 10: designed just to change the optics in advance of this
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Speaker 10: week's hearing.
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Speaker 3: Yes, a good point. A lot of people are suspecting
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Speaker 3: the same on the case so farhad I'm sorry, We'll
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Speaker 3: bring up this incredible quote here. This is amazing. He says,
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Speaker 3: I refuse to participate in a fundamentally unfair process. He's
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Speaker 3: not going to comply in this legal processes. I cannot
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Speaker 3: trust the system where the British state's allegation quote evidence
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Speaker 3: has kept secret from me, kept secret from my lawyers
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Speaker 3: and members of the public, and where any attempts to
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Speaker 3: defend myself would only serve to feed the intelligence apparatus
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Speaker 3: that is targeting both me and my clients. This is
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Speaker 3: not about national security. It's about using a rig system
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Speaker 3: to harass lawyers like me who represent clients the state
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Speaker 3: dislikes and who would prefer were denied any legal representation whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Your thoughts on this case. This is so important, Basel,
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Speaker 3: because this really comes to the core of due process
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Speaker 3: and jurisprudence.
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Speaker 5: Go ahead, yeah, Miss Johnes Sorry.
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Speaker 10: Was detained at the Port of Hollyhead on his return
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Speaker 10: from a family holiday in Ireland and was questioned by
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Speaker 10: the police about his religion, about his views on Palestine
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Speaker 10: things like that, and they took his phone off him,
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Speaker 10: even though it has fifteen years worth of confidential information
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Speaker 10: on it, and he, because of this ludicrous misuse of
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Speaker 10: terrorism legislation, is due to be the victim of a
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Speaker 10: truly Kafka esque nineteen eighty four type procedure where the
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Speaker 10: police will present evidence to a judge entirely in secret.
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Speaker 10: Mister and neither Miss Ansory nor his legal team are
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Speaker 10: allowed to know what that evidence is, nor any member
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Speaker 10: of the public or press. Now, as a counterweight to that,
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Speaker 10: special advocate is appointed to represent mister Ansari's interests. He
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Speaker 10: is allowed in the court, but he's not allowed to
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Speaker 10: speak to mister Ansari or mister Ansari's legal team after
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Speaker 10: the evidence has been presented. I mean, this is absolutely
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Speaker 10: off the chance. If this sort of thing went on
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Speaker 10: in Soviet.
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Speaker 5: Russia, we would have laughed about how how ludicrous it was,
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Speaker 5: this kind of show trial.
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Speaker 10: How on earth is somebody supposed to be able to
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Speaker 10: defend themselves if the evidence presented before them.
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Speaker 5: You know, they're not. They're not made aware of it.
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Speaker 10: But of course mister Ansari's real crime is that, together
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Speaker 10: with the barrister Frank McGinnis. They are challenging the prescription
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Speaker 10: of Hamas, including the political win. Let's remember that Hamas
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Speaker 10: is not prescribed in the vast majority of countries around
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Speaker 10: the world, where it is regarded as a legitimate either
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Speaker 10: the legitimate government of Gaza where it was elected, or
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Speaker 10: at least the very least a legitimate political organization. But
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Speaker 10: after years of lobbying by the Israel lobby in the UK,
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Speaker 10: it was prescribed as a terrorist organization and therefore anybody
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Speaker 10: seeking to represent it is also in the crosshairs of
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Speaker 10: the UK national security state.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and just briefly, we just got a few seconds left,
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Speaker 3: but I'll bring this justice snow offhanded comment here, Balso
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Speaker 3: bring this up on screen. I'm satisfied that the time
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Speaker 3: sufficient thirty six minutes per case in these massive show trials.
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Speaker 3: I am not going to give any more time. Your
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Speaker 3: only remedy is the High Court. It's a bit harsh,
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Speaker 3: isn't it, Basil, I mean to say the least.
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Speaker 10: Well, this is absolutely ludicrous. Completes this trifecta of miscarriages
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Speaker 10: of justice in motion. It's been decided that the defendants
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Speaker 10: of the recent Palestine Action protests, who held up innocuous
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Speaker 10: signs saying I post genocide, I support Palistine action. Yes,
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Speaker 10: the seventy something clergyman assorted Quakers, peace campaigners and the
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Speaker 10: rest are to be tried in batches of five at
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Speaker 10: a time, each defendant given no more than thirty six
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Speaker 10: minutes and crucially only in front of a judge, no jury.
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Speaker 10: So this is a mass show trial again Soviet S
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Speaker 10: and remains to be seen whether or not there's a
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Speaker 10: legal challenge to this, because of course we've also got
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Speaker 10: the question of the judicial review of the prescription of
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Speaker 10: Plistine action that's due to go ahead after the government
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Speaker 10: was defeated last week.
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Speaker 5: It's a challenge to the judicial review.
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Speaker 10: The idea is that they want to try and get
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Speaker 10: people convicted before the ban is overturned. It says, the
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Speaker 10: likelihood is it will be overturned because it is a
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Speaker 10: misuse of the terrorism back once again.
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Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, Basil Valentine, thank you for this analysis, and
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Speaker 3: we will reconnect with you during the extra time after
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Speaker 3: the program, So for our viewers of Basil will be
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Speaker 3: rejoining us after the main news program.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Basil for that. Okay, now let's
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Speaker 2: move on then to Professor David Millern. No, he's defending
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Speaker 2: an ongoing kiss brought by the so called Campaign against
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism for four X posts which they clear were menacing. Now,
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Speaker 2: I just want to show his crowdfunder on screen here,
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Speaker 2: apparently not on one of the major platforms. But we'll
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Speaker 2: come onto this again in a second. David posted on
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Speaker 2: X a couple of days ago. I've just won a
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Speaker 2: significant victory against the comically named Campaign against Anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: at Westminster Magistrate's Court. The CIA is attempting to mind
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Speaker 2: a private prosecution against me for sending four supposedly menacing
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Speaker 2: posts on X. But today the judge rule that the
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Speaker 2: CIA had withheld significant information with the court when they
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Speaker 2: had originally applied for the summons against me. Then I
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Speaker 2: have twenty eight days to comply with in order to
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Speaker 2: disclose all relevant communications between their director's trustees and staff
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Speaker 2: and the question of whether they were seeking to silence
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Speaker 2: me or to undermine my employment appeal tribunal which is
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Speaker 2: scheduled for next month. So David joins us now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this. Welcome to the program, David, just give us
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Speaker 2: some more detail on what's happening.
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Speaker 1: In the court.
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Speaker 11: So in my specific case, the case of the Campaign
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Speaker 11: against Anti Semitism, which is acting as a private prosecutor
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Speaker 11: to take me to court for these four posts on
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Speaker 11: x which are said to be menacing. That I should say,
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Speaker 11: because it's relevant that this is under the Communications Act
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Speaker 11: of two thousand and three, section one hundred and twenty seven,
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Speaker 11: and that's exactly the same section which the Metropolitan Police
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Speaker 11: have charged or are going to charge I'll ad one
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Speaker 11: with some of her posts. So that's a very interesting
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Speaker 11: development because it shows I think the police a more
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Speaker 11: evidence of the police being pressured by the CAAA and
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Speaker 11: taking on really quite ludicrous and obscure legal powers in
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Speaker 11: an attempt to stop people from speaking out about the genocide.
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Speaker 11: So that's one thing to note. Now these four posts,
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Speaker 11: they are suggesting that what although I called for the
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Speaker 11: maximum accountability under the law of Zionists in this country
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Speaker 11: and in other countries, that what I really meant by
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Speaker 11: that was in my mind or what I intended to communicate,
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Speaker 11: was that really that people should find Zionist and or
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Speaker 11: jus and attack them. Now, of course that wasn't what
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Speaker 11: was in my mind. That wasn't what I said, and
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Speaker 11: we will see that when or if we get to
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Speaker 11: an actual trial. But it's like complex to hear, is
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Speaker 11: that because they have been, as they've publicly said, monitoring
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Speaker 11: me for many years, trying to have me sat from
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Speaker 11: my job at the University of Bristol at the time,
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Speaker 11: they paid for students to threaten the university with legal action,
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Speaker 11: and many other things that they've done, including of course
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Speaker 11: reported me to the police for alleged crimes which the
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Speaker 11: police declined to pursue because they were obviously ludicrous. So
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Speaker 11: all of that information wasn't given to the court when
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Speaker 11: the court issued the summons against me, and so the
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Speaker 11: judge in this case determined that they ought to go
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Speaker 11: back and look at their files for the extent to
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Speaker 11: which their staff and their trustees and their directors have
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Speaker 11: been colluding against me. And we should remark at this
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Speaker 11: point that of course their trustees and our directors are
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Speaker 11: not a matter of public record. Unusually for a charity,
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Speaker 11: they have a dispensation not to release the names of
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Speaker 11: the trustees, and really very very unusually for company's house,
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Speaker 11: they have a similar dispensation for their director. So I
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Speaker 11: don't know who it is that's prosecuting me. I don't
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Speaker 11: know who their relevant controlling mind and the campaign against
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Speaker 11: aty sementerism is, and so that's all part of our case.
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Speaker 11: So we now have twenty eight days for them to
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Speaker 11: release this information and for us to then go back
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Speaker 11: to court on the date of the fifteen of December,
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Speaker 11: which would have been the first day of the trial.
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Speaker 11: But the trial has now been pushed back on the
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Speaker 11: fifteenth December. We will deter we will hear the case
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Speaker 11: being put by the CIA and by my lawyers. The
22:05
Speaker 11: CIA are pretty in a case that I am a
22:07
Speaker 11: person of disreputable character. I believe that's the technical legal term,
22:13
Speaker 11: in order they can bring in extra evidence against me
22:16
Speaker 11: which is not relevant to the specific tweets, and we
22:20
Speaker 11: are applying for the case to be simply thrown out
22:23
Speaker 11: because it's a travesty and a joke. Now, the reason
22:27
Speaker 11: that I've said some of that at length is because
22:31
Speaker 11: this is all part when you were talking about the
22:33
Speaker 11: three cases that Patrick referred to as the trifecta to
22:37
Speaker 11: the case against Fajazan Sari, the case against the people
22:42
Speaker 11: who've been arrested for supporting powers in action, and indeed
22:45
Speaker 11: Rama's case. There are also of course, lots of other
22:48
Speaker 11: cases as we know, and this is an indication of
22:51
Speaker 11: just how seriously the British state and the people who
22:56
Speaker 11: are pressuring them, the regime in Tel Aviv take palastine
23:02
Speaker 11: solidarity activities in this country. They are deliberately trying to
23:07
Speaker 11: decapitate the anti Zionist movement in this country and to
23:10
Speaker 11: silence us, to stop people from acting, for example, to
23:14
Speaker 11: de prescribed mass or polas an action to stop people
23:18
Speaker 11: like me and the dtr RAMEA and many others speaking out.
23:21
Speaker 11: Just the other day, I believe, on Monday this week,
23:24
Speaker 11: we had the case of Sarah Wilkinson, who had been
23:27
Speaker 11: held under Dakoonian house arrest conditions from months and months.
23:32
Speaker 11: The police had stolen her passport and had not even
23:35
Speaker 11: admitted that they had it, and she was concerned that
23:37
Speaker 11: they were going to remind her. But as it happened,
23:40
Speaker 11: what happened was that her bail conditions were lifted, which
23:45
Speaker 11: is good, and her passport was ordered to be returned
23:47
Speaker 11: to her by the police. Of the judge didn't take
23:49
Speaker 11: any nonsense from the police about that, so that was
23:52
Speaker 11: a victory. My case was a victory. Also on Friday
23:55
Speaker 11: the same day as my case. We had the other
23:58
Speaker 11: two victories which were won the decision that the government
24:03
Speaker 11: was not able to appeal the Digital Review application by
24:09
Speaker 11: passing action, so that will go forward. And we also
24:11
Speaker 11: had the case of the Insta Precision ten that's the
24:14
Speaker 11: people who vandalize the Instro Position factory, which of course
24:18
Speaker 11: is a subsidiary of Elbit, and they won a down
24:21
Speaker 11: grading of their charges. So what we're seeing here is
24:25
Speaker 11: a massive push by the Israelis and Desionists and that
24:28
Speaker 11: they're running dogs in this country. And we were seeing
24:31
Speaker 11: the courts starting to throw out quite a lot of
24:35
Speaker 11: the ridiculous charges which are being brought, not all of them,
24:40
Speaker 11: and that's a process which will continue. But I think
24:42
Speaker 11: we're starting to see the anti Zionis case winning much
24:46
Speaker 11: more effectively, and I think that's the that's what we
24:48
Speaker 11: will see that with Dr Ahma, although of course the
24:51
Speaker 11: GMC have acted atrociously and their attempts to get to
24:56
Speaker 11: stop her speaking that the fact that they put in
24:59
Speaker 11: some two p of the police's charges against Dr Rama
25:03
Speaker 11: entirely irrelevant, and also of course the fact that they're
25:07
Speaker 11: effectively trying to retry her on the same things which
25:10
Speaker 11: which she was cleared of just four weeks ago. That
25:13
Speaker 11: I think will probably will not go well for them
25:16
Speaker 11: in the end, because there is such outrage about them.
25:19
Speaker 11: And of course it's all a question of the extent
25:21
Speaker 11: to which the law protects freedom of speech under the
25:26
Speaker 11: European Convention, and and of course when we look at
25:29
Speaker 11: that legislation we know that it does protect it quite significantly,
25:33
Speaker 11: and many of these cases will fall, but nevertheless, the
25:36
Speaker 11: designists will keep trying to push again and again to
25:40
Speaker 11: have people silenced and to have them struck off or
25:43
Speaker 11: taken from their jobs, like for example, I fare had
25:46
Speaker 11: or doctor a lad one. And so that's the position
25:50
Speaker 11: where at the moment we're starting to win, but it's
25:52
Speaker 11: not going to be an easy road.
25:54
Speaker 3: And David, there's a term in British legal practice called
25:59
Speaker 3: the vexatious litigant and often cases are thrown out if
26:03
Speaker 3: the litigant is deemed to be vexatious. Other words, they're
26:06
Speaker 3: constantly badgering the court and stovepiping cases into the court
26:10
Speaker 3: and and normally the practice would be just to dismiss
26:12
Speaker 3: it doesn't have standing. It is these these Zionist cases
26:16
Speaker 3: and the ones that you're being targeted by are they
26:19
Speaker 3: Are they in danger of coming under this term vexatious litigant.
26:22
Speaker 11: Now that they are in danger of coming under that,
26:26
Speaker 11: the question is whether the courts have the backbone and
26:31
Speaker 11: the wherewithal to simply reject the nonsense that which they
26:36
Speaker 11: are being bombarded with. I mean, the the the organizations
26:40
Speaker 11: which are doing this, they campaign against anti Semitism, the
26:44
Speaker 11: UK lawyers for Israel, both of them involved in Dr
26:47
Speaker 11: Aladwin's case, I mean, in her case. The the GMC's
26:52
Speaker 11: legal submissions yesterday pushed back against her defense team, saying
26:58
Speaker 11: that they had been bounced into the it's by the Zionists.
27:01
Speaker 11: And they said, oh, well, no, that's not true. Our
27:04
Speaker 11: decision to do this was taken before the CAAA lodged.
27:07
Speaker 11: It's a letter before action, so therefore we'd already taken
27:11
Speaker 11: the decision. Are they going to say on the basis
27:14
Speaker 11: of complaints made by the CIA and the UK Lawyers
27:17
Speaker 11: for Israel. So they were, you know, on the one
27:19
Speaker 11: hand's like trying to deny what they actually admitted in
27:21
Speaker 11: the rest of the paragraph. They have been assaulted by
27:24
Speaker 11: the Zionist groups and indeed by the Zionist assets in government.
27:29
Speaker 11: I'm talking in particular about where Streeting, who has disgracefully
27:33
Speaker 11: helped to bounce this case alone. So yet we're facing
27:37
Speaker 11: the possibility of a collapse of these Zionist actions, but
27:42
Speaker 11: we're not going to get it just very straightforward, where
27:46
Speaker 11: it's going to be a question of multiple cases of
27:49
Speaker 11: defeat for them, at which point it will become clear
27:53
Speaker 11: how ridiculous and overreaching they have been.
27:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a new comment on that.
27:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes, So you know, final question, David,
28:02
Speaker 2: I'm just interested to know why you think that the
28:05
Speaker 2: courts are willing to reject these claims because with the
28:12
Speaker 2: with the state being so pro Zionist and so pro
28:15
Speaker 2: Israel at the moment, is the judiciary really attempting to
28:19
Speaker 2: show some kind of independence here.
28:23
Speaker 11: Well, I think that that's that's the case. I mean,
28:25
Speaker 11: what you see with many of these cases is that
28:28
Speaker 11: they're so outrageous that it's they're only they're only got
28:33
Speaker 11: to the stage that they have by the fact that
28:35
Speaker 11: the police are effectively in the pockets of the Zionists.
28:39
Speaker 11: And indeed, as we saw with the GMC case, they
28:43
Speaker 11: the person who's made this decision to refer Todr alad
28:46
Speaker 11: One to the tribunal has has just parroted Zionist talking points.
28:53
Speaker 11: But when you get to the level of the judiciary,
28:57
Speaker 11: even the senior judiciary, who may be sympathy ethic designism
29:02
Speaker 11: more generally, it's such a breach of the usual procedures
29:07
Speaker 11: that they feel in some cases they have to reject
29:10
Speaker 11: some of these overreaches.
29:13
Speaker 2: David, thank you very much for Johnny's so it's been
29:16
Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation.
29:18
Speaker 1: But then thanks to Basil as well.
29:19
Speaker 2: So look, just to end this, I just want to
29:23
Speaker 2: show your crowdfunding page again here and so let's have
29:27
Speaker 2: a look at this and I'll just bring the amount
29:30
Speaker 2: of money risk so far, so you're what about forty
29:32
Speaker 2: percent towards the goal of fifty pounds. So the link
29:37
Speaker 2: to this will be in the show notes. If anybody
29:40
Speaker 2: is able to offer David some support there, that would
29:43
Speaker 2: be massively appreciated. But thank you very much David for
29:47
Speaker 2: joining us. Okay, look we've got to move on, and
29:51
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30:23
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30:25
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30:29
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30:31
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30:35
Speaker 2: I was speaking to earlier in the week and this
30:37
Speaker 2: went out on the livestream at one pm yesterday Sudan.
30:41
Speaker 1: Another forgotten war.
30:42
Speaker 2: Very interesting conversation with Lisa, and please if you haven't
30:46
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30:49
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30:53
Speaker 2: And finally, sticking with the digital id issue here another
30:57
Speaker 2: week in Glasgow and another demonstrat tomorrow at mid day
31:03
Speaker 2: meeting at midday at the bottom of Jamaica Street by
31:05
Speaker 2: the River Clyde near the Crystal Palace pub and Central Station.
31:08
Speaker 1: If you'd like to go and support this group of.
31:10
Speaker 2: People that are on every weekend now to draw attention
31:14
Speaker 2: to this issue, and please do so. Okay, Now let's
31:18
Speaker 2: move on then to the Bloody Sunday issue, because yesterday
31:22
Speaker 2: Soldier f was found not guilty of murder as a
31:26
Speaker 2: result of the killings of civilians and the Box Side
31:29
Speaker 2: in London Derry on the thirtieth of January nineteen seventy two.
31:34
Speaker 2: I will just put on screen an idea of what
31:37
Speaker 2: happened on the day. There was the civil rights march,
31:42
Speaker 2: but British soldiers of the first Battalion of the Parachute
31:44
Speaker 2: Regiment opened far on apparently unarmed civilians taking part in
31:49
Speaker 2: this civil rights march on the Box Side, and of
31:52
Speaker 2: course that's predominantly Catholic area of Derry, and the march
31:56
Speaker 2: had as you can see on screen well as you
31:58
Speaker 2: will see in the second it turned into a bit
32:01
Speaker 2: of a riot at some point. Now the parish shot
32:05
Speaker 2: a total twenty six people on the day, thirteen of
32:07
Speaker 2: him died. A fourteenth person died several months later. This
32:13
Speaker 2: was the highest number of people killed in a single
32:15
Speaker 2: incident during the thirty years of the troubles. But the
32:19
Speaker 2: thing is that the marchers killed and injured they were unarmed.
32:24
Speaker 2: But there were others there as well, including Martin McGinnis
32:27
Speaker 2: and the Savile Inquiry, and that's not anything to do
32:30
Speaker 2: with Jimmy Saville. That was the judge the judicial inquiry
32:34
Speaker 2: into the Bloody Sunday incident. They found that McGinnis had
32:38
Speaker 2: been armed with the Thompson machine gun on the day
32:40
Speaker 2: and though they could not say definitively that McGinnis had
32:43
Speaker 2: fired the first shot, there had been witness testimony given
32:47
Speaker 2: to the Savile Inquiry that McGinnis had himself said that
32:50
Speaker 2: he had fired the first shot, but he who when
32:53
Speaker 2: the Savile Inquiry was taking place, he was Education Secretary
32:56
Speaker 2: in Northern Ireland at the time. He vehemently denied having
33:00
Speaker 2: said that the colonel in charge of the British operation
33:03
Speaker 2: that they said on the day as part of this
33:05
Speaker 2: itn report that you're seeing on screen at the moment,
33:08
Speaker 2: that there were three shooters and that that's why the
33:11
Speaker 2: powers opened far The Savo Inquiry rejected that account when
33:16
Speaker 2: it was repeated at the inquiry because of lack of evidence,
33:19
Speaker 2: but just to give an idea of what happened. We
33:23
Speaker 2: have another little bit of video here that we want
33:26
Speaker 2: to just show, so let's have a look at this.
33:42
Speaker 12: The organizers of this civil rights march promised that they
33:45
Speaker 12: would be gone fat. The army have said throughout the
33:49
Speaker 12: day that they hope to use minimum force, but three
33:52
Speaker 12: hours after the procession began, this has ended up as
33:54
Speaker 12: dusk comes onto the bog Side, as the worst ever
33:57
Speaker 12: confrontation between the Army and the Catholic people of the
34:00
Speaker 12: Kraigan and bog Side.
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Speaker 7: You're not.
34:10
Speaker 5: I'll let you get all.
34:17
Speaker 3: I don't know what your thoughts are so far well,
34:19
Speaker 3: and just obviously the amount of time that's passed in
34:23
Speaker 3: how long this has been litigated, is quite an extraordinary
34:26
Speaker 3: thing in itself.
34:28
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
34:28
Speaker 2: But I want to direct your attention to two articles
34:31
Speaker 2: published by John Waters on his sub stack. He didn't
34:35
Speaker 2: write these, but he has published them. And the first
34:37
Speaker 2: one is this one. Sorry, we'll go back to that one.
34:43
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this one before, how British intelligence planned the
34:46
Speaker 2: Irish troubles of nineteen sixty eight to nineteen ninety eight
34:49
Speaker 2: and used provo fake patriots to achieve the ruination of Ireland.
34:52
Speaker 2: The conclusion of this article says that curious facts includes
34:56
Speaker 2: an Englishman and probably m I five plus six agent,
35:00
Speaker 2: becoming the first provisional IRA chief of staff in nineteen
35:03
Speaker 2: sixty nine to seventy three, and Martin McGinnis being the
35:07
Speaker 2: Provisional IRA second in command in Derry on Bloody Sunday,
35:10
Speaker 2: aged only twenty one in January nineteen seventy two. Because
35:14
Speaker 2: I want to say that in May two thousand and six,
35:15
Speaker 2: but eight years after the Good Friday Agreement, ex British
35:19
Speaker 2: FRIU agent Ian Hurst alleged that McGinnis was was and
35:24
Speaker 2: remained a British MIF six agent code named JAY one
35:27
Speaker 2: one eight, and he goes on to say that the
35:29
Speaker 2: only logical explanation is that I five and MI six
35:33
Speaker 2: created the Provisional IRA in December nineteen sixty nine. Is
35:37
Speaker 2: a civilian targeting offshoot from the more sensible, strictly military
35:41
Speaker 2: official IRA, and deployed it as a controlled opposition to
35:44
Speaker 2: study new terrorist warfare methods and better prepare its Zionist
35:49
Speaker 2: war on terror already planned from circa nineteen sixty I.
35:53
Speaker 2: Part two of this article has now been published headlined well,
35:57
Speaker 2: you can see on screen that PARA six conspiracy are
36:00
Speaker 2: two and in it the writer talks about the compart
36:04
Speaker 2: mentalized cell structure of the Provisional Ira, which quotes made
36:08
Speaker 2: it semi hierarchical or semi autonomous, but this only made
36:12
Speaker 2: the British regime more intent on infiltrating all levels of PARA,
36:17
Speaker 2: not just the top as shown below. Now they He
36:21
Speaker 2: goes on to say that you're free to view the
36:24
Speaker 2: Provisional Ira as either just extensively penetrated by I five
36:28
Speaker 2: and I six, or else as a full agency of
36:31
Speaker 2: m I five or six. The power was linked to
36:34
Speaker 2: drug running and the Bank of England was its main
36:36
Speaker 2: vehicle to launder drug profits over one billion of over
36:38
Speaker 2: one billion pounds. All the evidence proves beyond that that
36:42
Speaker 2: mi I five and six ran both sides of the
36:44
Speaker 2: Irish troubles of nineteen sixty eight to ninety eight and
36:48
Speaker 2: kept them going for an incredible thirty years. Today, the
36:51
Speaker 2: Irish people are split into two main factions or schools
36:53
Speaker 2: of thought, but seventy percent of people believe that PARWA
36:57
Speaker 2: was a full agency of m I five and six
36:59
Speaker 2: since inception in December nineteen sixty nine. About thirty percent
37:03
Speaker 2: believe that Para and Shinfin were merely undermined by MI
37:08
Speaker 2: five and six blackmail spies and agents, and so just
37:13
Speaker 2: it's a great example I think of how gangs and
37:16
Speaker 2: counter gangs are created, how they're used, how they're manipulated,
37:20
Speaker 2: and so on. I'm just going to bring on screen
37:23
Speaker 2: Kitson's book again. We've mentioned it the last time we
37:25
Speaker 2: talked about this, gangs and counter gangs and the In
37:30
Speaker 2: this he's arguing that when insurgents enjoy the support or
37:34
Speaker 2: at least acquiescence of population, that conventional military tactics aren't sufficient.
37:41
Speaker 2: And therefore he's talking about a system of intelligence gathering, infiltration, deception,
37:46
Speaker 2: turning insurgents or sympathizers into trackers and informers, creating pseudo
37:51
Speaker 2: gangs and insurgent groups, and conducting psychological and covert operations
37:56
Speaker 2: on populations. Now that book is quite historical in contexts,
38:00
Speaker 2: is talking about Mama rebellion and so on. There was
38:05
Speaker 2: another book, Kenya, Yes, if we just bring this back
38:08
Speaker 2: on screen. The other book, which is more analytical about
38:11
Speaker 2: the actual techniques themselves, is this one Low Intensity Operations.
38:15
Speaker 2: It's a version and surgency and peacekeeping. I just strongly
38:18
Speaker 2: recommend that people read both of those.
38:20
Speaker 3: Well, these many will argue these are the blueprints for
38:23
Speaker 3: al Qaeda, for how to design and operate al Qaeda cells.
38:27
Speaker 3: False flags are a big part of that deception and
38:31
Speaker 3: a big part of those stage provocations. So false flags, propaganda,
38:35
Speaker 3: all of these things, spreading lies about forty beheaded babies,
38:40
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. This is all part of that practice.
38:43
Speaker 3: So required reading gangs and counter gangs and low intensity operations.
38:47
Speaker 3: You know, if you look at history and you discount
38:50
Speaker 3: the role of the state and COVID operations and subterfuge,
38:54
Speaker 3: it's a totally different version of history, right, and constantly
38:58
Speaker 3: our establishment or education system, our media, or politicians want
39:02
Speaker 3: to strip out the role of clandestine agencies in Western countries.
39:06
Speaker 3: And if you do that, you get a completely different narrative.
39:09
Speaker 3: And that's the narrative that's foisted upon us constantly. But
39:13
Speaker 3: you'll be more well equipped to understand these things if
39:17
Speaker 3: you read books like this.
39:18
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now let's move on to Israel, and well, they
39:22
Speaker 2: held a vote in the Knesset. What was the vote
39:26
Speaker 2: about podcas No press coverage for this one, Mike will
39:29
Speaker 2: bring this up on screen. Surprise, surprise. You probably haven't
39:32
Speaker 2: heard about it because everybody's blanked it in the western
39:35
Speaker 2: mainstream media. Israeli Parliament Advance's bill to annex that occupied
39:39
Speaker 2: west Bank. Isn't this the same occupied West Bank? Trump
39:43
Speaker 2: said that'll never happen. It's never going to happen. I
39:46
Speaker 2: won't let it happen. Well, it looks like it's happening.
39:49
Speaker 2: But JD.
39:50
Speaker 3: Vance is basically caught on his back heels here, and
39:54
Speaker 3: I think people should look in and see if he's
39:56
Speaker 3: doing okay this week. Here's Vance responding to this.
40:01
Speaker 13: When I asked about it, somebody told me that it
40:03
Speaker 13: was a political stunt, that it had no practical significance,
40:06
Speaker 13: it was purely symbolic. I mean, look, if it was
40:08
Speaker 13: a political stunt, it was a very stupid political stunt,
40:12
Speaker 13: and I personally take some insult to it. The west
40:15
Speaker 13: Bank is not going to be an ex by Israel.
40:17
Speaker 13: The policy of the Trump administration is that the West
40:19
Speaker 13: Bank will not be an ex by Israel. That will
40:21
Speaker 13: continue to be our policy. And if people want to
40:24
Speaker 13: take symbolic votes, they can do that. But we certainly
40:27
Speaker 13: weren't happy about it.
40:31
Speaker 3: Do you think Israel cares what jd Vance thinks about
40:33
Speaker 3: annexing the West Bank or Trump for that matter, or
40:36
Speaker 3: carpet bombing Gaza or ethnically cleansing Gaza. They don't care, obviously,
40:40
Speaker 3: So they're living in a delusional fantasy land there in Washington.
40:44
Speaker 3: But we'll keep an eye on that story.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, okay, let's move on to Trump and Putin
40:51
Speaker 2: and Ukraine and so on. So Donald Trump announced on
40:54
Speaker 2: the sixteenth of October that he and Vladimir Putin would
40:58
Speaker 2: meet in Budapest in Hungary within two weeks or so
41:02
Speaker 2: for a second summit. That's following the summit that we
41:04
Speaker 2: reported on a few weeks ago. The announcement came the
41:08
Speaker 2: same day he met with Zelensky and Washington, and Trump
41:12
Speaker 2: claimed that that meeting was very cordial.
41:16
Speaker 3: Was it, Patrick, Well, I don't know. I don't know,
41:19
Speaker 3: but certainly it hasn't been a follow up meeting, so
41:22
Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't, maybe it was.
41:23
Speaker 2: Who knows, right well indeed, So anyway, this appears to
41:27
Speaker 2: have created immediate panic amongst European leaders, and within a
41:31
Speaker 2: couple of days, NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda appeared in
41:34
Speaker 2: Washington to discuss quotes NATO's support for securing an end
41:39
Speaker 2: to the war in Ukraine and a just and lasting peace. Well,
41:43
Speaker 2: we know that that's a lie, but anyway, it sort
41:46
Speaker 2: of highlighted the role that NATO plays in providing or
41:49
Speaker 2: at least he was attempting to highlight the role that
41:51
Speaker 2: NITTLE plays in providing military assistance to Ukraine that supports
41:55
Speaker 2: the Ukraine's ability to defend itself into terror against future aggression.
42:00
Speaker 2: This is the kind of language that they use, and
42:03
Speaker 2: so this includes, of course it through the prioritized Ukraine
42:06
Speaker 2: Requirements list, through which US equipment funded by NATO is
42:12
Speaker 2: supplied to Ukraine. Ruda said that his NATO colleagues quote,
42:17
Speaker 2: want to help Trump bring peace between Ukraine and Russia.
42:22
Speaker 2: I suspect that's another lie, but let's just have a
42:26
Speaker 2: quick look at high he wanted to help.
42:31
Speaker 5: Mister president, Can you tell us a little bit about
42:33
Speaker 5: why you're elevating sanctions against Russia right now? I just
42:37
Speaker 5: felt it was time. We'll waited a long time.
42:40
Speaker 1: I too it that we'd go long before the Middle East.
42:43
Speaker 4: Jimbo timeline for when you think the story is going
42:46
Speaker 4: to be over because.
42:47
Speaker 5: Of your you can't have in war, it's hard to
42:50
Speaker 5: have a timeline.
42:51
Speaker 14: What a president is doing today with these sanctions is
42:54
Speaker 14: putting more pressure, of course, on both parts, in this
42:57
Speaker 14: case on Russia. It's all about changing the calculus, making
43:01
Speaker 14: sure that put An understands that the president's vision this
43:04
Speaker 14: weekend of having a cease fire still rather as you're
43:08
Speaker 14: literally said that this has to be step one now
43:11
Speaker 14: and for him to really accept that vision and to
43:14
Speaker 14: come to the table.
43:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well, look we've got a bit of a
43:25
Speaker 2: preemptive comment there about sanctions. We'll come on to that
43:28
Speaker 2: in a second. But no sooner had that meeting happened
43:32
Speaker 2: with Ruda absolutely encouraging more support for Ukraine and the
43:36
Speaker 2: continuational war. Effectively, no sooner that meeting happened than Trump
43:40
Speaker 2: annoins we canceled the meeting with President Putin. It just
43:44
Speaker 2: didn't feel right to me. It didn't feel like we
43:47
Speaker 2: were going to get to the place we wanted to get,
43:49
Speaker 2: so I canceled it. And then he said a bit
43:52
Speaker 2: under a bit less convincingly, but we'll do it in
43:56
Speaker 2: the future.
43:56
Speaker 1: Well will they? That remains to be seen.
43:59
Speaker 2: So this was despite telling the press just twenty four
44:02
Speaker 2: hours previously that he had not canceled his plan to
44:05
Speaker 2: meete with Putin, but would announced something in the next
44:08
Speaker 2: two days. So he certainly announced something, but it wasn't
44:11
Speaker 2: what he was suggesting it was going to announce.
44:12
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't check the press releases this morning, Mike.
44:14
Speaker 3: He could have changed his mind by this morning, but
44:17
Speaker 3: maybe by Monday he'll flip flop again. This is how
44:19
Speaker 3: Trump is working.
44:21
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
44:21
Speaker 2: But as we just heard in the video clip, also
44:23
Speaker 2: announced while Rudder was there are the new sanctions against Russia.
44:28
Speaker 2: Now it's true that sanctions. Excuse me, the sanctions that
44:32
Speaker 2: have been that are basically announced almost Dailly and I
44:35
Speaker 2: have been pretty ineffective so far. But Patrick, maybe these
44:39
Speaker 2: have teeth because they're sanctioning Russia's two largest oil producers directly,
44:44
Speaker 2: that's Rosneft and look Oil, and between them they export
44:47
Speaker 2: three point one million barrels of oil per day and
44:50
Speaker 2: the biggest customers of these companies are China and India.
44:53
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that?
44:54
Speaker 3: Well, this is serious. That's between Rossnuff and Luke Oil,
44:58
Speaker 3: that's five percent of the globe oil out This is
45:01
Speaker 3: a huge amount and prices also well, as we'll show
45:05
Speaker 3: on screen here, prices have spiked immediately on the announcement
45:09
Speaker 3: of sanctions. So that's a significant five percent rise. That's
45:13
Speaker 3: rotten about five dollars a barrel or something. Who knows,
45:16
Speaker 3: but I think right now it's interesting, like we look
45:19
Speaker 3: at the oil markets that Brent krude, even with this
45:23
Speaker 3: price spike, is trading at sixty six dollars per barrel,
45:28
Speaker 3: is not particularly high in comparison to previous years. But
45:33
Speaker 3: it's interesting. Well, we'll come back to what Russia thinks
45:36
Speaker 3: about this in a moment, but well, President Putin his
45:39
Speaker 3: defiant is his writers here defiant after Trump sanctions Russian
45:43
Speaker 3: oil companies over Ukraine, And yes he's talking as you
45:47
Speaker 3: mentioned Mike Luke Oil and Rosneff here, these are the
45:49
Speaker 3: big hitters in the Russian oil industry. And here's what
45:53
Speaker 3: Putin said, particularly regarding Trump's threats and the sanctions. He's saying,
45:59
Speaker 3: this is of course worse an attempt to put pressure
46:01
Speaker 3: on Russia. But no self respecting country and no self
46:04
Speaker 3: respecting people ever decides anything under pressure. And we've spoken
46:09
Speaker 3: about this game theory and sanctions previously, haven't we. It
46:12
Speaker 3: never works. You cannot get You cannot change the behavior
46:16
Speaker 3: of a target country if there is an implicit threat
46:20
Speaker 3: of aggression down the road. So there's no good faith
46:23
Speaker 3: in the negotiation. So you're not going to change Russia's behavior.
46:26
Speaker 3: What it will do, probably, Mike, is caused turmoil in
46:28
Speaker 3: the global economy. It might even further raise the price
46:32
Speaker 3: of oil, and I'll show you who benefits from that
46:34
Speaker 3: in a minute. But this is serious though. Look at this.
46:37
Speaker 3: This is China. China's state oil major suspend purchases of
46:41
Speaker 3: Russian oil due to sanctions. Now, this is a major
46:44
Speaker 3: thing for Russia. It's definitely going to cause tightening in
46:47
Speaker 3: the short term, and it doesn't end there. Russia at
46:50
Speaker 3: war faces double trade, Trump ultimatum and a hit to
46:54
Speaker 3: oil sales to India. So if the big players, as
46:57
Speaker 3: you said, Mike, China and India. But it what's interesting
46:59
Speaker 3: Russia said, Mike that experts are saying that the rise
47:03
Speaker 3: in oil prices that's expected. That guess who said this.
47:07
Speaker 3: Amos Huckstein said that Russia will recover its losses because
47:11
Speaker 3: of the rise and global price. So it's they're going
47:15
Speaker 3: to end up with the same amount of money potentially
47:17
Speaker 3: by the end of this. That's Amos Huckstein, Biden's oil
47:20
Speaker 3: advisor UH and Middle East envoy for Trump saying that,
47:24
Speaker 3: so you know, be that as it may well look, Uh.
47:28
Speaker 2: Trump was asked about you talked about Putting's response there
47:31
Speaker 2: a second ago. Trump is asked about that. So let's
47:33
Speaker 2: just have a listen to his response.
47:38
Speaker 5: Thank you.
47:39
Speaker 6: President Putin basically said today that Russia is immune from
47:43
Speaker 6: US sanctions.
47:43
Speaker 4: He said that it would not impact the Russian economy
47:47
Speaker 4: in any serious way.
47:48
Speaker 5: Is he I'm glad he feels that way. That's good.
47:51
Speaker 11: I'll let you know about it in six months from Okay,
47:53
Speaker 11: let's see, let's see how it all works out.
47:58
Speaker 1: So how do you think it's all going to work on?
47:59
Speaker 3: Well, Trump's confident that it's all going to fall apart
48:02
Speaker 3: in six months and he can do a victory lap
48:04
Speaker 3: and declare that he is a stable genius that we
48:07
Speaker 3: all suspect that he was. We'll see. We'll see how
48:11
Speaker 3: sanctions done against Russia over the last.
48:14
Speaker 1: Well, they've done very well for Russia and it doesn't
48:17
Speaker 1: hurt Russia in the least, does it.
48:18
Speaker 3: So I don't know, would you bet against Russia? With
48:20
Speaker 3: their record of busting sanctions in the last four years,
48:23
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
48:24
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and daed well to make matters worse. And
48:27
Speaker 2: what I know you're probably going to describe as a
48:29
Speaker 2: Nordstream moment. And the two patrick in parallel with all
48:33
Speaker 2: of this, oil refineries in Rumania and Hungary were blown up,
48:36
Speaker 2: apparently by saboteurs because both of them process Russian oil.
48:41
Speaker 2: That's Hungary and Roumania. Ukraine is being blamed just like Nordstream.
48:46
Speaker 2: But remember Trump and Putin's bidding was supposed to be
48:49
Speaker 2: in Budapest. But I'm sure that's all just a coincidence. Well,
48:53
Speaker 2: certainly Courl Dimitriev here is suggesting that it's not a coincidence.
48:58
Speaker 2: He was tweeting this side a couple of days ago
49:00
Speaker 2: Hungary out an attack for working on a piece.
49:02
Speaker 1: Summit question mark. I think that is a good question
49:04
Speaker 1: to ask.
49:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is also coming on the heels of
49:08
Speaker 3: the attack on the Druzba pipelines, which were attacked just
49:13
Speaker 3: what last month or or the weeks before, And those
49:17
Speaker 3: are the pipelines carrying oil product to Hungary and to
49:21
Speaker 3: Slovakia and of course Ukraine being the culprit here. The
49:25
Speaker 3: details of this are in the stunning analysis here by
49:28
Speaker 3: Freddy Ponton at twenty first century WI, Hungary and Romania
49:32
Speaker 3: refinery fires, sabotage or negligence. Well, it looks like it's
49:36
Speaker 3: pointing towards negligence, and he's saying that this is basically
49:40
Speaker 3: like the Nord Stream sabotage, pretty much the same play there.
49:45
Speaker 3: And is it Ukraine, is it NATO? Is it British
49:47
Speaker 3: Special Forces? We don't know. We might find out at
49:50
Speaker 3: some point, but on the Nord Stream. It's so convenient
49:54
Speaker 3: that this happens exactly the moment that Germany raises an
49:59
Speaker 3: Interpol probably an Interpol or red notice for this Ukrainian
50:03
Speaker 3: saboteur of Nordstream allegedly in Poland. And Poland basically doesn't
50:09
Speaker 3: want to extradite him to Germany. Right, those are two
50:11
Speaker 3: EU countries, so Poland's basically said, stuff it to Germany
50:16
Speaker 3: and letting this guy go. So I personally, my feeling
50:20
Speaker 3: is this is the Ukrainian divers story is a red
50:23
Speaker 3: herring story for balltops. The fact that NATO did the
50:27
Speaker 3: Nordstream sabotage over the course of three drills that summer
50:31
Speaker 3: and fall of twenty twenty two. But this conveniently puts
50:35
Speaker 3: this one right under the rug. It's just incredible how
50:40
Speaker 3: they have managed to engineer this one. So it's just
50:43
Speaker 3: as Nordstream is just being completely deep sixth right now
50:47
Speaker 3: on ice, then they go and hit all these other
50:49
Speaker 3: refineries and pipeline. So, I mean, come on, there's a
50:54
Speaker 3: lot more going on here. We'll get to the bottom
50:55
Speaker 3: of it eventually. It'll be a shame if some damning
50:58
Speaker 3: evidence surfaced about nord Stream over the next six months.
51:02
Speaker 3: That would be so unfortunate. But anyway, we'll keep our
51:05
Speaker 3: eyes on it.
51:06
Speaker 1: Okay, where does that take us them?
51:08
Speaker 3: Well, well, it takes us back to Hungary. And look
51:10
Speaker 3: at this. Victor Orban's coming out swinging on this. He
51:13
Speaker 3: tweeted this out here yesterday, the day of the Buddhapest
51:17
Speaker 3: Peace March, largest peace march in Europe. Right there in Hungary.
51:21
Speaker 3: Today we send a message to the whole world. Hungary
51:23
Speaker 3: says no to war. We will not die for Ukraine. Wow,
51:27
Speaker 3: strong words. We'll not send our children to the slaughterhouse
51:31
Speaker 3: at Brussels command. And this is one of the images
51:35
Speaker 3: that came up there, translated here is we won't die
51:40
Speaker 3: for Ukraine. That's from that peace rally right there. Here's
51:44
Speaker 3: Victor Orban giving a speech afterwards at the rallying point.
51:49
Speaker 3: Listening closely, he is evoking very strong historic European themes.
51:54
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53:09
Speaker 3: It's very strong words. Yes, so he's evoking World War
53:12
Speaker 3: One and World War two and basically do you see
53:15
Speaker 3: any of the European leaders making that sort of strong
53:17
Speaker 3: statement against the war. He's right on the front line
53:20
Speaker 3: as well. It isn't interesting all of the hawkish voices
53:23
Speaker 3: are coming from far afield. Find that interest he.
53:26
Speaker 1: Won't be making any friends in Brussels, as he said
53:28
Speaker 1: in that.
53:29
Speaker 3: You know, it's he doesn't have any left anyway, that's true.
53:32
Speaker 3: He's got nothing to lose. So Victor Worburn I have
53:35
Speaker 3: to give him credit for taking the lead on this.
53:36
Speaker 3: It's quite quite an amazing story.
53:38
Speaker 2: Well, look, we mentioned earlier that the potential of Trump
53:42
Speaker 2: meeting Putin for a second time was causing panic in Europe.
53:45
Speaker 2: Well here's another example of it. Well, admittedly this is
53:48
Speaker 2: a Bloomberg report and they're citing the usual unnamed sources
53:51
Speaker 2: or at least people familiar with the matter. So they
53:55
Speaker 2: said that Ukraine and Europe have prepared a twelve point
53:58
Speaker 2: piece plan that's going to rule out any territorial concessions
54:02
Speaker 2: to Russia. It is imitating to some degree Trump's Board
54:08
Speaker 2: of Peace for Gaza, because they're calling it a peace board,
54:12
Speaker 2: and it'll include a peace board, which they expect Trump
54:17
Speaker 2: to also share, by the way, and they plan on
54:21
Speaker 2: sending a contingent to Washington this week, I guess to
54:25
Speaker 2: meet with Trump. And it apparently includes a cease far
54:31
Speaker 2: along the current front lines. Ukraine would get security guarantees
54:35
Speaker 2: for back to the security guarantee boots on the ground thing,
54:38
Speaker 2: European military providing peacekeeper role of some kind and fast
54:43
Speaker 2: tracked EU accession. Wasn't the U accession one of the
54:47
Speaker 2: problems that Russia had.
54:49
Speaker 3: Well, not necessarily, I mean it probably would be now,
54:53
Speaker 3: but it was mainly the NATO issue. But you know,
54:56
Speaker 3: does the EU want to inherit this basket case is
55:00
Speaker 3: an orphaned, truncated, orphaned rump state. I don't know. I'm
55:05
Speaker 3: not sure. Peace Board, Mike, this sounds like this kind
55:08
Speaker 3: of in absentia. They've just formalized the propaganda talking points
55:13
Speaker 3: into a new board organization.
55:15
Speaker 1: Hey, look they might put Tony Blair in charge of it. Well,
55:17
Speaker 1: how could it go wrong?
55:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it will really be successful. Yeah, I say,
55:20
Speaker 3: put Blair in charge of this peacepoort.
55:22
Speaker 1: Yeah.
55:23
Speaker 2: Anyway, they're saying that the Russia Crimea, the area of Crimea,
55:29
Speaker 2: that Russia is considered itself Russian since twenty fourteen. Also Lugansk, Dnetsk,
55:35
Speaker 2: Kirsen and Zaparasia would not be recognized as Russian under this,
55:40
Speaker 2: and Russia and Ukraine would have to negotiate quote the
55:44
Speaker 2: governance of occupied territories. So they're attempting to bring this
55:48
Speaker 2: term and where have we heard that before. They're attempting
55:51
Speaker 2: to sort of demonize this in some way, it seems
55:53
Speaker 2: by using language lack occupied territories.
55:55
Speaker 1: There's been a hypocrisy, and that I think there is.
55:58
Speaker 3: But you know, the international law all that it depends
56:02
Speaker 3: how many countries recognize the new state. So they're trying
56:06
Speaker 3: to basically put it into the same category as Kosovo's
56:09
Speaker 3: in Kosso is not recognized by Serbia as a state.
56:13
Speaker 3: It's a NATO created state that was created at the
56:15
Speaker 3: barrel of a gun. Okay, so it's a pseudo state
56:18
Speaker 3: created by NATO. But it's not recognized by all its
56:21
Speaker 3: neighbors and not recognized by all countries in the world.
56:24
Speaker 3: But I think probably more people will recognize eventually Crimea
56:29
Speaker 3: and the new territories. Well, Russia recognizes it. That's probably
56:31
Speaker 3: the most consequential, you know, because it's part of the
56:34
Speaker 3: Russian Federation. But Russia's allies may end up recognizing them
56:38
Speaker 3: as well. But they have the right to self determination
56:41
Speaker 3: under a UN Article one, I believe, and the right
56:45
Speaker 3: to self defense when they're being attacked by the Ukrainian
56:48
Speaker 3: military Under Petro Porschenko and Zelenski. And that's UN Article
56:52
Speaker 3: fifty one. So does the UN Charter apply to everybody
56:56
Speaker 3: on this planet or only people in the US and
56:58
Speaker 3: NATO wanted to apply to That's that's kind of a
57:01
Speaker 3: fundamental question.
57:02
Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be the former, and in
57:04
Speaker 2: reality it's it's a ladder. But look this this so
57:07
Speaker 2: called piece plan, it's it's designed to feel. It seems
57:11
Speaker 2: to me it's designed to feel. But of course it's
57:13
Speaker 2: just like it's going on in Gaza at the moment,
57:16
Speaker 2: also designed to feel.
57:18
Speaker 3: Ultimately, when they have a new Gaza humanitarian organization coming
57:23
Speaker 3: in that they wanted to do, which is the same
57:24
Speaker 3: as the old one, right basically, and and Trump wants
57:28
Speaker 3: to put boots on the ground in Gaza. That that
57:31
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what could possibly go wrong there? Sounds
57:35
Speaker 3: like such a great idea.
57:36
Speaker 1: Yeah indeed.
57:37
Speaker 2: Okay, well, look, let's let's finish today on the issue
57:40
Speaker 2: of digital ID because earlier today are illustrious, lovely leader
57:46
Speaker 2: care Starmer, the man that we all love to respect
57:49
Speaker 2: and and will really be enthusiastic vote for him next time.
57:53
Speaker 3: Ryan.
57:54
Speaker 2: He pushed out a little video clip this morning to
57:57
Speaker 2: tell us how I grid it is. Let's let's have
58:00
Speaker 2: a look at this.
58:02
Speaker 16: So I'm in Brighton today. This is marklis Bank and
58:05
Speaker 16: I've been talking to customers about digital ID and they're
58:08
Speaker 16: really enthusiastic. It'll have your basic information on it for
58:11
Speaker 16: everything other than proving you've got a right to work.
58:15
Speaker 16: It won't be manatric. You don't have to have it,
58:18
Speaker 16: but you can't have it. You can use it for
58:19
Speaker 16: anything that requires identification, and there are lots of things.
58:22
Speaker 16: If you ought to rent, for example, if you want
58:24
Speaker 16: to apply for a mortgage, if you want to get
58:27
Speaker 16: your child into primary schools a catchment area and you've
58:30
Speaker 16: got to show where you live, Proving who you are,
58:34
Speaker 16: what your beta birth is will just be able to
58:36
Speaker 16: be done.
58:37
Speaker 3: With digital idea. They're really up for it.
58:39
Speaker 16: I think once you understand just how much easier it'll
58:42
Speaker 16: make life, so many more people will be too.
58:46
Speaker 2: So Patrick, I don't know if you noticed, but what
58:49
Speaker 2: was missing from that little video clib.
58:52
Speaker 1: Tell me well or anybody that he was speaking to.
58:55
Speaker 2: There was no comment from any that they didn't get
58:57
Speaker 2: any comor from anybody telling us I grid this.
59:00
Speaker 1: Have to take his word for that.
59:01
Speaker 2: Everybody in there thought it was a great thing, but
59:04
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting they held it at Barkley's
59:06
Speaker 2: Bank because Barkley is the most pro Zionist bank with
59:09
Speaker 2: close links to Israel in the UK.
59:12
Speaker 1: So that maybe just a coincidence. But I don't know
59:16
Speaker 1: if you.
59:16
Speaker 2: Noticed the lie there as well, or at least someone
59:19
Speaker 2: was lying, because when he pushed Lisa and Andy to
59:24
Speaker 2: promote this thing on the day that it was announced,
59:26
Speaker 2: she said it would be mandatory for everyone in the
59:30
Speaker 2: UK to have it wouldn't be mandatory for them to
59:32
Speaker 2: show it if they were a British citizen. It was
59:35
Speaker 2: only if you're a foreign national that would be mandatory
59:37
Speaker 2: to show it in the event that you were being
59:38
Speaker 2: asked for employment statis and so on. But in that
59:42
Speaker 2: little video clip he said it wouldn't be mandatory if
59:44
Speaker 2: you're British sist. And so is it that he just
59:46
Speaker 2: doesn't know what's going on or are they just not
59:48
Speaker 2: really certain what the.
59:50
Speaker 3: Policy is, playing fast and loose really with the policy
59:53
Speaker 3: Mike being a little bit vague and arbitrary. He said
59:57
Speaker 3: something interesting, though you need it to it'll be great
59:59
Speaker 3: if you're going for neighborhood to neighborhood to prove that
1:00:01
Speaker 3: you live somewhere. Kind of reminds me of letting me
1:00:04
Speaker 3: see your papers. Yes, it really does, and that's why
1:00:07
Speaker 3: people are against it. What happened to British common law
1:00:11
Speaker 3: is that no longer a thing that has.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: Not been a thing for quite some time.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: I think the fact that juries are not being allowed
1:00:17
Speaker 2: on the twenty six minute trials is a perfect example
1:00:21
Speaker 2: of how common law is thrown in the bin quite
1:00:24
Speaker 2: some time.
1:00:24
Speaker 3: Ago, sending oppressive it there. We'll talk about that with
1:00:27
Speaker 3: Basil Valentine after during extra about this model of these
1:00:33
Speaker 3: speed speed dating show trials. Yes, that they're trying to
1:00:37
Speaker 3: without juries, that they're trying to pioneer here, that's what
1:00:39
Speaker 3: it looks like to me, a beta test for big descent.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely not that if they put them in prison,
1:00:46
Speaker 2: they've got anywhere to put them. But that's a whole
1:00:47
Speaker 2: other issue that I'm sure the resolves some other way.
1:00:50
Speaker 2: But look, we're going to leave it there for today.
1:00:52
Speaker 2: I'm going to say thank you very much to everybody
1:00:54
Speaker 2: that's been watching, thanks to David Miller, to Basil Valentine,
1:00:57
Speaker 2: to Patrick. Of course, I'll be back in a couple
1:01:00
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1:01:10
Speaker 2: pm as usual on Monday. See you then, Bye bye