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Patriots Unfiltered 10/4: Packers Takeaways, Rookies Stepping Up, Injury Updates · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered. Here's word. I'll give Matt credit. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: start bawling until he got down the stairs. He hopped
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  Speaker 1: off on his own. No help, hard to do hop,
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  Speaker 1: No hell, he looks ready for It's hard to hop
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  Speaker 1: with help? How did people do? Just overall? You guys
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  Speaker 1: are struggling. Really not you that I'm struggling for me,
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  Speaker 1: but not in relation to you guys. A news reporter
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  Speaker 1: was breathless wondering if anybody asked him about Axel and
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  Speaker 1: that's news. You're not a capital jake. Journalists, please step
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  Speaker 1: aside and let the real reporters bill. What would you
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  Speaker 1: say to the fans who demands to know unless he
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  Speaker 1: plays so middling that they can just get him on
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  Speaker 1: a team friendly deal, But you gotta pay somebody. That's
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  Speaker 1: a sneaky negative comment right there, so high. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: expect it to be that higher and come down that fast.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna take a few months, sneaky, sneaky and tell you,
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  Speaker 1: like I just come out and say it. You can
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  Speaker 1: just come out and say it. He skirts around the corner.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see Marcus Jones. I just wish that
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  Speaker 1: we had some kind of clarity of what to expect him,
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  Speaker 1: when to expect him. You know, Bike, you don't need
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  Speaker 1: to know, You don't need to know. Okay, are you
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gilette Stadium, And well, how do you feel? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because it was hopeful. It was another victory Tuesday. It
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  Speaker 1: was valiant effort. It was I know it doesn't count
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  Speaker 1: as a win in the standings, but I went into
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  Speaker 1: the game thinking, okay, maybe we get to see what
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  Speaker 1: this offense can do without Mac, and we ended up
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  Speaker 1: being able to see what I could do without a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you know, without you know, Hoire, And I think there's
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  Speaker 1: some hope there for the offense. I really do. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't really open up the playbook for
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  Speaker 1: Zappy Um, but I think the old line played pretty well,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I I have hope. I think, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know who knows going forward? Yeah, I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: you're you're in the thick of it now. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me not to just kind of
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  Speaker 1: bury this Green Bay game for what it was. You
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  Speaker 1: played your third string quarterback, you lost in over time.
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  Speaker 1: They fought hard, but you know, now it's just like, well,
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  Speaker 1: now you gotta win games like you're playing the Lions,
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  Speaker 1: you're playing the Browns like these are this is it now?
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  Speaker 1: It's this is not a moral victory unless you win
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  Speaker 1: next week and you put some games together. You know,
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  Speaker 1: so let's I'm not calling this a moral victory until
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  Speaker 1: I see what happens as a result of this game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and I thought, you know, I thought Zappy
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  Speaker 1: was was fine. I mean, he didn't cost them the game.
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  Speaker 1: He made a couple of throws, but you know, there
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot there for me to be like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this this this guy's gonna push. Mean, we were making
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  Speaker 1: the jone. We were making the joke during the game like,
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  Speaker 1: oh Mac Jones is getting a little worried right now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but now, I what did you know they
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  Speaker 1: ran the ball? Well, I think that opened up some
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  Speaker 1: things for them. They were able to manufacture a couple
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  Speaker 1: of drives. But you know, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: I think that you're talking about the third string quarterback offense,
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  Speaker 1: and this isn't the offense we want to see or
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  Speaker 1: hopefully that we're seeing in a few weeks. So we
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  Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see the offense that I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Fred. I was kind of looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: see if it looked any different, and then we didn't
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  Speaker 1: get to see the offense at all. But I think
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  Speaker 1: I give an a in this game to Patricia and Judge.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree, you know, for the way they managed
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  Speaker 1: the situation. I would agree, Yeah, I think you can say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like we don't have to get bogged down
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  Speaker 1: in some antics of moral victory and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I think you could say a lot of good things
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  Speaker 1: about the Patriots without going overboard and saying they really
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  Speaker 1: won the game. Like I think that they showed tremendous
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  Speaker 1: character and heart. I talked the entire postgame show, and
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  Speaker 1: I still I feel exactly the same way I did
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  Speaker 1: Sunday night, Mike. I give them ridiculously high marks for
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  Speaker 1: going to lambeau Field, losing your quarterback, and then playing
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  Speaker 1: with the third stringer, who, let's face it was given about.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, conservatively ten to fifteen plays to work with,
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  Speaker 1: maybe and they can. They competed their asses off and
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  Speaker 1: they gave themselves a chance to win. The other team
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  Speaker 1: was trying their best to lose, and you couldn't take it.
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  Speaker 1: It's unfortunately. That's the part to me that is unfortunate,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why I don't like get bogged down in
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  Speaker 1: the labels. I give them a lot of credit for
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  Speaker 1: going there. This is one of the rare times where
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  Speaker 1: really nobody gave him a shot to win, and they
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  Speaker 1: had a shot to win. They had every opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: win the game. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's just unfortunate. They had their chances. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these last few games, they played really well
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  Speaker 1: in pockets, you know, like like the defense played really
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  Speaker 1: well in pockets, and you know, offensively, I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you guys. I also think, like Matt Patricia, the development
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  Speaker 1: of an offensive coordinator, so to say, is kind of
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  Speaker 1: on display. Like I think that they did a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good job. I also think that there are still moments
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  Speaker 1: where they kind of get lost and don't quite have
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  Speaker 1: the right aren't pushing the right button at the right moments.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with Fred on this element. I understand where you're going,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it probably deserves a larger conversation. I
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  Speaker 1: take this game in a vacuum. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 1: look at this game. It's like, Oh, these guys are
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  Speaker 1: coming along in their in their approach, and this was
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  Speaker 1: everything we were thinking going in. We gotta scrap all
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  Speaker 1: that we got. We gotta take this kid by the hand.
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  Speaker 1: In the three of us, Belichick, Patricia, Judge, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a band together, and we gotta do whatever we can
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  Speaker 1: to get this guy through this game and still have
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  Speaker 1: a chance to win. And they did that. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they took the ball out of his hands for the
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  Speaker 1: most part. I mean only threw fifteen passes. Most of
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  Speaker 1: those were basically an obvious run situations where you know
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  Speaker 1: it's run for five, run for eleven, run for here's
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  Speaker 1: a hard play action. We're gonna we're gonna pop on
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  Speaker 1: on you. And they worked, and they did a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Twice I thought of scheming up, you know, Chunk plays
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  Speaker 1: twenty plus yard plays, one of them for the Parker touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: So I give. I'm with Fred, I give Patricia and Judge.
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  Speaker 1: I've been critical of them, But I'll give them a
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  Speaker 1: lot of credit this game, because it's not easy to
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  Speaker 1: go into a game like that and and have to
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  Speaker 1: completely scrap everything that you wanted to do, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been fair to Zappy to just say
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  Speaker 1: we can just run on our offense like we normally would. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and people are you know, excited about the two Jones,
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  Speaker 1: Marcus and Jack. Marcus Jones has got me you know me, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got I got another, I got a bar more
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  Speaker 1: like crush going on. Yeah. I mean, finally he's doing
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  Speaker 1: what we thought he was here to do. He's he's
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  Speaker 1: got the job, and you know he was put in there,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he's now won the job. They asked, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they asked cam Acard about that. Today, we can't really think, yep,
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  Speaker 1: it's his now, he's all good. He's not gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to wory. I mean, of course probably that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: all waiting for when they drafted him. Um just I
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  Speaker 1: mean every single one, I felt like he got a
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  Speaker 1: little more than you could have maybe expected. As an
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  Speaker 1: average he gets up to the twenty yard are and
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  Speaker 1: over time where you get to the fifty. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's exciting. I think they need a game to play. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they need you know, those kind of impact playmakers, and um,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's about damn time. Will Marcus Jones get him
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  Speaker 1: out there and let him do it? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we like the confidence that Jack Jones is showing. Uh
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I think we're all kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a little run right out. I meant to
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  Speaker 1: come up on the edge. I mean, I think that
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  Speaker 1: he's scrappy and I don't think that he's afraid of contact.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, he just leans more into, as
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  Speaker 1: Paul said many times, trying to punch the ball out,
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  Speaker 1: maybe more so than than tackling guys. I like the plays.
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  Speaker 1: I mean two turnovers, that's huge, Yeah, and that makes
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  Speaker 1: up for a lot of stuff. But I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to uh, you know ignore. I think even Belichick
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  Speaker 1: and his comments were like, you know, was hinting at
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  Speaker 1: yeah he had those two plays, but he also questioning
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  Speaker 1: that quote and ty Law. As you know, Fred never
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  Speaker 1: met a challenge that he disrespect. Did you think that
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  Speaker 1: he could meet? Yeah? But I think Marcus Jones is
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  Speaker 1: I mean, people are excited about Jack for for obvious reasons,
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  Speaker 1: but I think Marcus Jones is where it's at right
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  Speaker 1: now as far as player that I'm most excited to bring,
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  Speaker 1: a dynamic element without anything that I'm thinking at this
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  Speaker 1: point he could give you a you know, Strange is
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  Speaker 1: holding his zone. If we can get Thornton in there,
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty good draft class. Strange definitely holding his own. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Strange definitely holding his own. Random behind him a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Jones played a game and Marcus Jones Dappy, you
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  Speaker 1: nailed them all. Uh, but but I agree, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Thornton. Thornton was probably the one early on
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  Speaker 1: you were most excited about, just from a from a
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  Speaker 1: trade standpoint. Having some speed out there. You know, how
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  Speaker 1: much of a difference is going to make when they
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  Speaker 1: get out there and if he's got you know, Zappy
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  Speaker 1: is still out there, they're gonna be able to get
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  Speaker 1: him the ball. I don't know, but yeah, it's uh,
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  Speaker 1: there there were some good things. There were some good
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  Speaker 1: things for sure from the rookies. Yeah, I have a
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  Speaker 1: you know, bigger picture thing with Jack Jones, Freddie, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about the game. I'm sure roll with the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the balance of our show today. But so Jalen Mills
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  Speaker 1: missed the game with a hamstring problem. Assuming he comes back,
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  Speaker 1: does Jack Jones and the promise that he showed in
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  Speaker 1: the playmaking, does that maybe allow you to say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go with Jalen Mills and Jack Jones on the outside,
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  Speaker 1: move Jonathan Jones back inside. I like that. I like that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, instead of Miles Bryant, who I
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  Speaker 1: think you know, struggled a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's an easy I mean, I like that move
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  Speaker 1: better than trying to say, let's put Jack Jones in
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  Speaker 1: the slot. I won't really seen him play there, but
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  Speaker 1: I like that one better. I mean, especially against teams
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  Speaker 1: where the slot might be more of an is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and there will be you know, matchups that you know,
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  Speaker 1: like the Miami again. You know, he might want to
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  Speaker 1: go with Jack Jones, I mean Jonathan Jones again on
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  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. But I mean, I think Jack Jones is
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  Speaker 1: a guy that the way he played Sunday definitely warrants
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  Speaker 1: more more time. And he's been I mean, he had
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  Speaker 1: a role on defense from day one. He was out
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  Speaker 1: there against Miami, you know, in some capacity. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I think you could get some changes On
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  Speaker 1: the other side, I think we started to see the
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  Speaker 1: transition with Marcus Cannon for Isaiah Winn. I think that
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  Speaker 1: John smith injury kind of derailed that because they had
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  Speaker 1: so much now that I'm sort of hesitant to say
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  Speaker 1: that it's Marcus Cannon now because John H. Smith, I
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  Speaker 1: think is going to be out. I mean, someone reported
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  Speaker 1: was a high ankle spring. So if that's what it is,
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  Speaker 1: I think Greg Badard reported that. If that's what it is,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to see him this week either. So
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  Speaker 1: do you bring Socol up? Even if you do, do
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  Speaker 1: you still need Marcus Cannon to fill that extra tight
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  Speaker 1: end role? Right? Yeah? You know you can't have him
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  Speaker 1: be the full time tackle. I don't know. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I wrote I wrote down three issues after after
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  Speaker 1: watching the game again. My three issues were right tackle consistency,
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  Speaker 1: tight end blocking, and linebacker stops. Like I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the tight ends are useless in the blocking game. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I Cannon, Sorry, Hunter Henry and John Who Smith and
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  Speaker 1: like you know, and I know that John Who gots hurt,
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  Speaker 1: but they're trying to do so much with those guys
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  Speaker 1: blocking and they just have no juice in the blocking
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  Speaker 1: game at all. There's no you know, plus energy taking guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's like they kind of run and they
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  Speaker 1: stop and they kind of get in the way. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like so many players are getting blown up
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  Speaker 1: by those guys. Paul brought up the right tackle thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Isaiah Wins again, Isaiah win has been a problem.
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  Speaker 1: And just Marcus Cannon, like the smile on his face
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  Speaker 1: after the first roun he was out there for that.
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  Speaker 1: They got like seven eight yards and he just looked excited,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, just that like body language to me
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  Speaker 1: was just get him in there, get him in there.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to be out there. I know he's old,
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  Speaker 1: but he's big. He's done it before. My last one
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  Speaker 1: of the linebackers, Like I just and I just was
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  Speaker 1: reading Evans thing and he pointed out something similar. Just
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  Speaker 1: Jawan Bentley, I don't get it, like he just they
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  Speaker 1: seemed to run him into the line and then the
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  Speaker 1: guy goes through the hole next day and this is
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  Speaker 1: the fear that too close, he doesn't have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to see what this is so fair that Mike and
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  Speaker 1: I were trying to talk about heading into the season
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  Speaker 1: through the summer, it was like, you know, Mac Wilson
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  Speaker 1: mack Wilson. Mack Wilson, this is what happens when you
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  Speaker 1: have like a guy who's really not a big enough player.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think to be small and undersized, you
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  Speaker 1: have to be exceptionally athletic, right, you know, And there
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  Speaker 1: are guys there are to be There are examples of
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  Speaker 1: those guys around the league. I don't think mack Wilson
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  Speaker 1: has proven to be that as an NFL player. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's some there's some value to mack Wilson. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying he doesn't belong in the field, but I think
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  Speaker 1: you've seen last couple of weeks when you get some
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  Speaker 1: power running attacks. Yeah, And that's what's my biggest disappointment
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  Speaker 1: is after the first two weeks, I thought maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: they have improved, maybe the you know, maybe maybe the
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  Speaker 1: front seven is better. It's not. I think it's tough. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what they do, not what they say, and what did
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  Speaker 1: they do? They did nothing, That's my point. It's like that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they thought it was as big a deal. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they decided not to get any linebackers. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think the McMillan thumb injury has probably played I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think he'd be playing maybe more than than Jelani
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  Speaker 1: Tavai would. But you know, I actually thought I played
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  Speaker 1: reasonably If I played reasonably well too, I just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm just it jumped out to me watching it
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  Speaker 1: again with Bentley, and it's like, I like what some
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  Speaker 1: of these defensive linemen are doing. Like I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: look at you know, I like the statu stops, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you make a tackle behind the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: you hold them, you know, from getting the yardage for
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  Speaker 1: a successful play. I mean Bentley's got three stops. I
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  Speaker 1: mean he's forty eighth and stops per snap for linebackers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the good defenses. Who's making
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  Speaker 1: the stops on those good defenses? The linebackers are you
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  Speaker 1: look ours, It's either the front front guys like Godschaw,
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  Speaker 1: or it's the back end guys make it. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just I'm trying to struggle with what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: the run defense. And it's something we talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: about on the on the postgame show, and that was
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  Speaker 1: kind of my deep dive of just like they're also
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  Speaker 1: thirty second in terms of football outsiders, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: power stops behind the line, like winning those stuff runs
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  Speaker 1: thirty second in the league. They don't play behind the
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  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I don't necessarily think it's the defensive
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  Speaker 1: lineman's fault, who I think are pretty good at holding themselves.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I just don't think that they have the
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  Speaker 1: linebackers to get through. I think that is that's the
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  Speaker 1: to me right now is the biggest I'm gonna call
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  Speaker 1: out my guy, one of my guys. I called for it.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted more Barbard, I wanted more snaps. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's been effective with more. Yeah. Yeah, he's had problems.
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  Speaker 1: He's spent a little bit disappointing. Yeah yeah, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not again, doesn't mean that he's not still a really
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  Speaker 1: good player. Doesn't mean he's not gonna still be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a force going forward. I just think that
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  Speaker 1: their run defense, it's all it's it's the entirety or
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  Speaker 1: the front seven. It's not just on linebackers. Like the
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  Speaker 1: front seven gets moved off the ball on a consistent basis,
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  Speaker 1: and that's through you know, the these two games have
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  Speaker 1: been a problem to me, and I even go back
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  Speaker 1: to the Miami game. The short yardage plays. They were
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  Speaker 1: able to run for first downs in that game, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when when they wanted to line it up and run it,
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  Speaker 1: they were able to. Even though they didn't have big
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  Speaker 1: numbers in that game, Pittsburgh was the was the one
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  Speaker 1: game that I thought they played really well. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna disagree with Paul. I don't. I don't think that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they do. They have their moments,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: but I think that generally Godshaw, Carl Davis, Lawrence, I
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: think Carl Davis. I think Carl Davis is pretty good.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: He might be that I have no use for it.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: And Barnmore ended up on his back more times in
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: that game than I ever remember seeing. I have use
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: for Godshaw. I think he's having a real good season.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, and Tetrick wise has been pretty good too,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: But I just I don't think it's enough. And I'm
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: not saying that they're consistent and they're great every down,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: but I would disagree on Paul's point. They get pushed
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: around more. I would say more often than not, they're
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: doing their job and the linebackers are running into the
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: wrong hole and the guy's going through that. Those are
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: the big runs now, I've seen me with Bentley, like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: he's so close to the line, How on earth can
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: you diagnose what's going on? You've already filled the gap. Yeah,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: and and you don't even know if that's the gap
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: into the wrong hole. I just you know, you don't
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: have those guys that get over the top. I mean
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: there was a couple times to me until Paul's point
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: where Tavia on the backside is getting there at the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: same time as as as Bentley is. You know. So
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I just those off the ball middle spots. I think
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a problems. I think the linebackers are a bigger problem.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't think the front has been great. I
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: think Carl Davison limited action, he shows up a little
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: bit totally. And I think Tetrich Wise has played well.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think the other guys have consistently put well.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Lawrence Guy was consistently playing well
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: when he was before he was hurt. I think that
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore for the first three quarters ran the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: ball really well before Guy left the game. The other day. Yeah,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I get two weeks ago. If Hoyer doesn't get hurt,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: did the Patriots win this game? Everything else being even
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: if the game unfolds exactly the same, I say, yes,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: but the whole game change. They can just do more
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: on offense. The whole game completely changes. Yeah, so it's
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: hard to you know, but if if you want to say,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: but like everything happened exactly the same, Yeah they I
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: think they win. Yeah, yeah, I mean the fumble that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I mean that didn't cost him, but feel position. I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: mean that that took points off the board. I just
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: wonder how much they had to work with when Hoyer
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: went out. What did it really look like for like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: how much did they have to scramble? How much like
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: a volume of plays? I mean, of course they had
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to let me talk about just testing a you know
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: what kind of a But I also want how does
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that impact? Like I was really struck by the candid
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: nature of Rogers after the game. Yeah, but admitted, like, yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: playing against a third string quarterback, I mean, we have
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: to win that, Like that's how we played. He played
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like they went into the game saying, there's no way
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: we can lose this game. We have to win this.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Like they played like they didn't have any urgency at
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: all until like the second half. Yeah, which was embarrassing.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I thought Green Bass performance was was really like for
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: a so called really good team, that was a troubling performance.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: If I'm a Packers fan, I wrote in the first half,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: like his passes, Rogers passes looked like he was disgusted
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: with his team. Yeah you know. Yeah. And in the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: first half, some of those go routes that he threw,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: they had guys open and he was just like chucking them.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: And the I mean the ult pass he was making.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: He made fun of himself so bad. And did hear
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: his comment on that, like his qualm? Hear his comment
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: on that? Um he said that was such a bad
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: pass that Jack Jones almost overran it because he just,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like I think he was just thinking, I'll just throw
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: a quick one out here, we'll get a first down,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: We'll see if we can get something going. Yeah, you know.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And then Jack Jones was like like he has been
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: all summer. He jumped, he jumped those out roads. Yeah,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: so good. He's a ballhawk, so good. That was kind
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: of me. With Rashawn Kerry, that was I thought he
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: was I'll stay away from. I think he's an awesome player.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Rashawn Kerry, I mean he was all over the place. Um,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's a it's a sample of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a defense that has a bunch of first round picks
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that's seemed like they know what they want to do
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and uh, and that that guy on the edge is
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: just he was he was a bit problem from start
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to finish. So we're left with wildly entertaining second half. Though,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I will say that well, I mean, you know, you
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: talk about TV ratings, it's the first game this year
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots that they've gone over a thirty oh
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and so it's not the new way that they're recording
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the ratings. You know, people actually watched. I think they
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: peaked at like a thirty six, you know, because it
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: was a good game and the four o'clock start to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the four twenty five start helps. Yeah, you know, it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like me picked to thirty six. Yeah, I mean, what
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: did you say, it's like PICKD to thirty six. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: think you met six. But it was, you know, just
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: from a fan standpoint, it was a thoroughly entertaining game.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I mean they still do it. I mean the Tampa
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Bay game last year, the Dallas game last year. I mean,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they still are able to, you know, produce these games.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: They haven't been able to get over the hump and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: win them yet, which I think is the you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the big next step for them to you know, not
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: just have these moral victories against good teams, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you go toe to toe. Well, that's that's why I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: don't really care what happens in the next five weeks,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be a while before I can see
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: if there's any impact. You know, I'd say, if there's
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: two things that I think we're missing right now, it's
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the linebacker play and tight end play. Man, we could
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: use some tight end play for this offense. You know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I think they could use a lot of things. Well,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I know, I start somewhere. Yeah, you gotta right, you
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: gotta start somewhere. You know. It's just we're not getting
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: anything to get from the tight end. Yeah, I mean,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, everything else seems like secondary to the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback issues of not only getting Mac back, but you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: helping hoping that this run game can continue this trajectory
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of how well they're running the ball and you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: hopefully that will help help Mac when he gets back.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I heard during the third quarter Mac called Bill and said, Hey,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling a lot better. That's that was our joke
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that be through that touchdown past oh Max Max in reality,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: now you know, if you were going to go and happen,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I would have been like, yeah, no, I think it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: going to be two more weeks. Good luck with that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: horriers out. I think it's gonna be two more weeks
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: before I'm ready. Do you think they're going to roll
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: out John who out this this week and just have
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: them stand at practice with his higher stand watch throwing
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: passes into the net. So you know, the big question was,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you know, had Zappy got hurt, then what you know?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: And I heard that Hunter Hunter Henry might have been
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: called into adds Kendrick Borne and DeVante Parker. According to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: those in the press box, we're doing a lot of
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: throwing between sis. I think they would have gone wildcat.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I think they would too with Damian Harris. Yeah, I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: think Damian Harris did some wildcat at Alabama. Yeah. I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been surprised if they went in that direction. Yeah,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: but I mean they're in a I'll tell you when
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: when he got when Bailey got Bailey, I don't ever
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: do that. When Zappy got lit up, Um, there was
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a second I was like, yeah, and I would have
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they Yeah, they're in a little bit of a pickle
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: right now. Who So I think because of that, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: don't think it will happen, But I think there's a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: chance that Mac comes back this week because I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that there's something like I'm going to operate under the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: premise that lawyer is out. I don't I don't have
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: any information on that. Yeah, but I just think to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: be ruled out that quickly with a concussion means he
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: had a concussion even though they just called I think
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they called him a head injury, right, and then they
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: ruled him out, and then they ruled him out quickly.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So I think to get out of concussion protocol and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: get back. Now, we'll see tomorrow. You know when Wednesday
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: when they practice, Evan will go out there and give
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: us the update. If he's out there at practice, then
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I think Hoyer will start what if they're
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: all back concussion? See Mack again, don't confuse what Mac
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: did last week with practicing. Mac was out there, he
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was listening to DP right, so he didn't practice, did
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: not even take a step. Okay, So I think I'm
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: with Fred, like, if you have to go into a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: week and you're saying, all right, we need to formulate
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a real, actual NFL game plan with Bailey Zappy. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: this is no disrespect to a rookie fourth round pick.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: We saw him this summer. He's far far away from
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: being able to operate the offense that you would need.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You can do what you did on Sunday? How many
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: times can you do that and expect to be competitive,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: especially when the other team knows it's coming right now,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, if there's a quarterback signing this week,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: then we know that the lawyer is definitely not coming back. Well,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I think you'll see a quarterback signing this week. You're
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: stunned if you don't. I mean, not the practice squad.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But you gotta have some layer of protection, right, Like, Okay,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: let's if mac Jones place on Sunday. Are you confident
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that he's going to be still playing in the second quarter?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't even walk four days ago. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And I listen, I'm not telling you he can't play.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think they want him to play, but if
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Horrier can't go, and it's jes zappy. Then maybe Mac,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you know, feels some pressure. I gotta be out I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: gotta be out there for my guys. You know, that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: what happened to Garoppolo, right, you know, all of a sudden,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Brady suspended, Garoppolo separates his shoulder and it's down to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette and it's all on Brissette and then he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: hurts his thumb and then they kill him. They kill
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Garoppolo for not coming back because we need you right.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh so it has nothing to do with my shoulder.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It's you need me right. And that's what I'm really
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: worried that that's what's going to happen to Mac Jones.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: You know, Cam is spelled mash. You know, Max spelled backwards.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'd rather put Harris back there in Wildcat the whole game.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: But I was just thinking, like, if you needed a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: quarterback who you know, you're not really gonna run your playbook.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Kim's kind of you know, he could just run Wildcat,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: he could run option. You thought you thought the playbook
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: last time? Cam? Can we not? The last couple of years,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: we've had a couple I know, like the Jake Dolagala,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: we call. We talked about him, um a little bit
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: on Sunday? Did we have Garret Gilbert? Was he here?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Then he got signed to Washington? Right, Yeah, he had
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to play a game for Washington. Yeah. So it's been
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a couple of guys that have been around, so I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: would see if one of those guys is interested. You know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that we didn't hear about
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a workout yesterday, but we'll see. How about that guy
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Chad that worked out recently? The mustache? Yeah, I looked
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like Eli Manning, No thanks? Do you hear him last night?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: It was a streaker in the Rams game and then
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: making fun of him. Bobby Wagner just drills the guy
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in Peyton's like, that's it, Bobby, you could jump by
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Wagner there. And then Eli just like with that dead pin,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like really undertone. He's like, I mean, if you're in
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a streak right, your streak right, your stripped, you go naked,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you go full throttle the were he goes go full throttle?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Oh? Was the guy in
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the in Super Bowl thirty eight that chat him? Was
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he was he butt naked? Like he had like you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: have like a body sock kind of thing. He had
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like a like a something like a shock, but it
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was with clear plastic, so it looked from behind like
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he was wearing nothing, but he was covered up. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was so far away, Mike, I don't really know. Well,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I I was zeroed in on it. What's going on?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I actually was next to Fred. I was in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: real that one back when they still let you up there. Yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Matt Schadams claim to fame. That's it smoked on Ye,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: he did smoke. He did a good job on that one.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Eight five Pats five hundred ticket hot line eight five
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: p five hundred. Kind of a weird Sunday. A lot
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of close games, a lot of comebacks. You know, it
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: looked like the bills we're gonna get were loose and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: then they just came right back and for going forward
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: on fourth down. Yeah, it was weird for me. Was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like Mike and I were watching all the one o'clock
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: games on red Zone, and every game seemed to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in the same like ridiculously dreary conditions, and all of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a sudden, we go to lambeau Field and it was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: like a spotlight was on Green Bay, like the sun
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was out it was beautifully like the field was immaculate,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the like you're watching the game like Hinz Field, the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: field already looks like you know, they had three three
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: World Wars took place there, you know, Philadelphia, Baltimore. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: think the Giants game was at MetLife. It was like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: driving rain and wind was awful conditions and it just
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was the most picturesque site. Was pristine. Yes, like the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: my overstated at the field, but absolutely beautiful on TV,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to the point where I said, is this real grass?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And I looked it up. It's a hybrid glass grass.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: It's grass in some synthetic um that they weave together,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know. But it looked smoked. It was really it
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: was perfect that field, Um, you know blue grass. What
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: did you get? Jesus? What did in Wisconsin? We I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: went to Lombardes. It was in the hotel. I just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: sat at the bar and ate there. Nothing. He just
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: went to the hotel bar. It was lombard He's a steakhouse.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It's nice. Fred. Yeah, we walked around. I went to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a cigar bar and watched a little college football before dinner.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah that was good. Oh cheese, I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: need that curd yea, And I know that young kids
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: went bar hopping. We stayed at in Appleton and it's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's like a nice strip of stores, restaurants and bars,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and so they went bar hopping. But I can't do
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that anymore. No, No, you know we're snoring by nine thirty.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: That's the old guys. Yeah what I was in asleep.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So we went out in Appleton before. That was a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: long time ago though. Yeah, that was like oh six, Yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that was the thirty five nothing game. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers. No, well,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Brett fare started played like a serious right to keep
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: his fraudulent street going. Remember that one? So all right, um, yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: So any any other NFL things you wanted to bring up,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: or just Jamie Collins back. I mean that's practice. Talked
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: about that a little bit on the practice squad, Harvey
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: LONGI released. We'll see what happens if Cannon did revert
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to the practice squad. But I feel like that could
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: be a promotion to active roster. I think they still
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: have a spot with could just going on ir last week.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody would would really question that
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: move of of bringing him back, And you know, it's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it's just a question of can you know, is Isaiah
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: win then ready to play that kind of like third
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: tackle tight end kind of spot. Can he do that?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it can, but yeah, I don't know. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: just would feel i'd feel a little bit better about
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the right side of the line if Cannon gets in there.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions who Patriots next opponent forty five
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: points in a loss. They're leading the league and points
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: scored and leading the league and points allowed in a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: bad way, fast and loose. I mean, it just, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's like part of me is thinks like, well, the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: old Patriots would always kind of beat a team like this,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: But I also just think that this is a team
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that isn't really a team you can pin down, like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you might get them, but they just don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: really seem to care. They'll score at thirty five, they'll
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: give up thirty seven. I mean, it's just you don't
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: really know what to expect from them, and I feel
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: like that's a little bit dangerous. We'll see. I mean,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I think the big part of it is is Saint
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Brown and Swift. You know, if those two guys can
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: come back and give that offensive boost. I mean, they
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: scored all those points without those two guys probably their
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: best players. So I think they doesn't sound like the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: offense needs a boost. I think they have a good offense.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I do, but I do wonder also if I know Philadelphia,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: most of the second half, they would down two scores,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to their credit, they kept kept fighting back thirty eight
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: thirty five. The Seattle game, most of the second half,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they would down two scores. Again, to their credit, they
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: kept fighting back forty eight forty five. Now, the other
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: games that they had, they won a game that they
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: scored like thirty two or something like that, and thirty
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: thirty six, actually thirty six twenty seven they beat Washington,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: so that's I mean, they won a game they scored
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: thirty six and the other game was twenty eight twenty
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: four against Minnesota. Good. So I I do think they
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: have a good offense, but I wonder if maybe it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a little inflated in that they're behind in the second
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: half of some of these games. They have good players,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: so they're able to make some plays in situations where
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: maybe the defense is a little different. Yeah, I don't know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Like I haven't watched the games closely. I'm just that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: very superficial. But Mike's right. DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: both are capable running backs, averaging uh, you know, well
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: over for a carry in Swiss cases lay the league
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and five point nine yards per carrying in their rushing game. Yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Freddie, five point nine. And so that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: they've rushed, they've run the ball well. Saint Brown has
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: been as productive as virtually any receiver not named Cooper Cup.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: You know, twenty three catches in three games. Is that's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: no joke? Eight catches a game. I think Josh Reynolds
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is a solid NFL receiver. T J. Hawkinson had a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: career day at tight end the other day. And I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: think Jared Goff is not going to be confused with
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a top ten guy, but I think he's with some experience.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I think he's gotten better and I think he's a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: decent fit for this offense. I think that he's eleven touchdowns,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: three picks. So I don't I'm not telling you their
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: offense stinks and it's overrated and all that. I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty good offense. I just don't know if
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: it's one of those offenses that you know, I mean
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you could just slow him down. You're not going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: stop him, No, I think you can probably force some
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: mistakes with these guys. Yeah, Like I like their offensive
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: line too. I mean I think Frank Ragnow is a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: guy that that I think the Patriots were kind of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: interested in sewell from from last year. You know who's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: who's a really good right maybe the best player in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: that draft class. You know, it's him and Slater. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So I mean I think they give go off some time,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they're able to open up some holes, and I mean,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I you know, I just wouldn't be surprised either way.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Like I think if they came in and all the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Patriots they kind of figured this offense out and shut
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: them down. I mean that's maybe the old school. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I approached to it. I'd be stunned if that. If
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: they hold him on her twenty, I'd be shocked, but
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think i'd be I'd be really surprised if they
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: gave up more than thirty. So, I don't know, we're
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck in that Middlaria with these guys. Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't really shocked if they're under twenty, but I'd
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be shocked if they got shot down, you know the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: words like it's one of those you know, two hundred
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and twelve yards of offense and you know twelve points.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if it was one of those days.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: All right? Eight five five five hundred is a ticket
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: hot line. Web radio at Patriots dot com is the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: email address. Let's turn to our listeners. See what they
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: have to say. Patty's an agawam on the East ticket
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: hot line. What's up, Patty stub? Gentlemen, Hey, hey, so
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do a couple would you rather? And
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: then throw out my state of the Patriots so far
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: through four weeks. So this is regarding signing a quarterback
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad? Would you rather Cam Newton or
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Danny at Ling? I want no, I have no interest
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: in either one of those players. Yeah, yeah, but you
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: have to choose Paul. That's the quarterback I don't even know. Yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I can't say Kim coming up in this year's draft?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Would you rather than get a dynamic tight end with
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: their first pick, or like a franchise tackle right or left,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: franchise tackle. I'm gonna stun you by saying that over
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a dynamic tight end right, Like what you know like
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: George Kittle like to me, how about t J Hodkinson.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'll take the tackle. Take the tackle, Okay,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: at this point, probably the tackle. Like if you had
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts or with Sean Slater, which one would you take?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I would take Slater. I mean, I mean, we'll see
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: what Pitts ends up being. But I just think it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: hard to dominate like that. Yeah, it's pretty good, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: through four games, team much but um, through four games
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: at least, this team looks like a reasonable fac simile
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of last year's team. And I'm just hoping that when
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Mac is back and towards the end of the year,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that we we actually see them start beating some of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: these better teams in the league. You know, hopefully they
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: pull out a win again, Miami can steal one against Buffalotle.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Bit at least through or four weeks that it kind
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of looks the same as last year. Well that's all
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: got kid, Okay, I mean I think this year could
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: be better than last year if Mac kept playing and progressed.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: It's all about Mac, It's all about Max. But wouldn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you say through the three games that he played it
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: looked very similar to last year. Um, because I would
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: kind of agree with with Patty. I'm sure, yeah, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: would say so generally. Yeah, I mean it's it's I mean,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it's not really hard to see this season looking a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: lot like last year with the games the way they've
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: lined up, and you know, I think that that's the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: question that last that last month of the season, those
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: last six eight games. How can they you know, beat
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: those good teams. That's that's the big one. Let's go
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to Tyler in Connecticut. What's up Tyler? Hey, guys, how
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: are you doing good? Hey, so first time Cohen I've
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: been listening to since twenty nineteen. I appreciate all the
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: insight you guys give us on the Patriots. Um, my
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: question is about injuries. Have the Patriots always been like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: this as far as not being a straight answer on injuries?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I go on NFL Network and I see
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the next day teams saying statuses of players the next day.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Is this a tactic of Bill Belichick or yeah, something
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: that he's always done. Every team's a little different, Like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I've I've seen coaches like bring out their team doctor
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and actually have him answer questions to end in the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: extreme of what we do. And it's always been like that. Um,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: there was a I remember when Parcels with here, we
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: got tagged a fine for not putting something accurately on
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the injury report. And after that, like they went overboard
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the other way. They list everybody. Belichick's done the same thing.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: They they they do the absolute minimum always, They've always
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: been somewhat limited with their information regarded injuries. It's you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, I just I feel like I saw it
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: more of this season with Tek and time Mountgomery, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it just I wasn't too sure how that works. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know Belichick got that from Parcels he did. You know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Parcel's famously said I'm in the business of getting information,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not giving it. So it was always the bare minimum.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. My last question for you guys the rookie
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: running back. I know Harrison on the practice squad. You're strong.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I see him on the sideline sitting there. You guys
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: think you'll get in there it all this season? I mean,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: right now, you don't need him. And and you know this,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I hear that on the blog. Okay, now we need
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to get strong involved. No, we don't. We don't need
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to do that. It isn't the whole point of splitting
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the carries between Harris and Stevenson. So you don't need
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: another guy, right right, Like he's there, and it's good
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that he's there because of probably one of them is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: going to get dinged up at some point. Then you'll
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: know if that happens, then you and then you'll use
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you'll need some the Montgomery might be back by that,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: thanks Tyler, right right, yeah, But like it's always like, Okay,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: we've got these guys, now, let's get this guy. Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and listen, he's just he's just a rookie. He's coming
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: out of one double a. Um, I'm willing to be paid.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I haven't really seen anything from Pierre Strong yet. No,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean like you you made a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: point earlier in the show, Freddie, you know, you know
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange is starting. Um. Jack Jones and Marcus Jones
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: both had good contributions on Sunday, and Bailey Zappy stepped
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: off the bench and did enough to put you in
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: position that you had a chance. It's a pretty good
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: draft class, you know, Shaping up is a pretty good draft. Claus.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: It's a long way to go. It's the MVP who
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: never played right. Um, he'll get better and better as
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the weeks go by, but you know, I think there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: this desire that, like every guy's got to be great,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and you know we're wasting this opportunity. You know, like
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Pierre Strong really didn't do a lot in training camp.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: What was it your feeling on James White when he
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: was here his rookie year and I mean didn't really play,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But did you have any like did he I thought
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he looked good in the summer, but he didn't get
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: any chances to play. But he was also behind. Like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the difference to me is he was behind an established
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: guy at that spot, whereas the opportunity is there for
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the take in if he has the ability to be
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a third down guy. There's no one here, yeah, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: mean there's no James White, there's no Brandon Bolden, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: now there's no Time Montgomery. There's an opportunity if he
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: was willing, you know, if he was able to fill that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I think. I think it's just one of the bigger
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: surprises for me from the summer was just not really
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: ever seeing anything out of either of those guys that
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know gave you pause. I mean I would think
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: even with like Ridley and Vereen when they came in
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: or you know, that's why I asked about James White.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I don't really remember him in the preseason, but you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: at least you knew out of the gate that, all right,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: there's something there. I don't really like it. I like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the James White draft picks, so I think I'm kind
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of a little biased on that. Maybe I saw more
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: than was really there on the positive side, because you
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: know how I am. I have my pets both ways,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and I'll admit I'm too harsh on guys that I
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: initially right off, So I'll gladly admit that sometimes my
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: biases were four and against me. Yeah, I think I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: think James White was just a steady guy. So he
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: never really liked amazed you in the summer when he
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: first got here, but he was just just steady. No,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: but he was behind Verene. Yeah, you never really got
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a chance. One more thing to bring up to that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think really gets mentioned. I think I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Stevenson's still got some issues in past protection like I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: think that those are that that's something that is a
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: problem at times that I think people are putting too
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: much on the offensive line with him a little bit
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on third down. I know one of I know one
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of the sacks he had a chance should have chipped
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the guy. But I I there was another one too,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: with another one of the sacks where it was to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the left side, and it was kind of him and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Trent trying to work a two man combo coming off
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the left side. I think they put it on Trent,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: but it's just it doesn't look like he's got it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: all down just yet in past protection. Uh, let's go
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to Leon, who's in Wisconsin. What's up Leon? Kind of Hey,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I have a fun question, so nice. What do you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: guys think the chances are that Bailey, Zappais and mac
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Jones thinks becomes like a Brady and bled those situations.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You guys think that happened. I don't think it. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: don't think that would happen. I don't. Yeah, I don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: think Zappy's that good. Yeah, I I agree with Fred,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'd agree with I got one more question. I don't
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: you know how Odell Beckham's always flirted with the idea
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: going to the Patriots or we heard tedline. What are
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the chances you guys think we actually bring him on
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: board this season. Probably not high. Yeah I wouldn't, but
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: if he got healthy and he wanted a job, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I mean I could maybe, but I mean he's still
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: all around the Rams, right like then they have him
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like on the fields, like the Rams could probably use them. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they mean they do because it's that whole passing attack.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It is just Cooper Stafford anybody else. And Stafford got
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and I think he's dropped off. Um
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Cooper Cup has forty three catches
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and the next highest guy has like ten, so crazy
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: it was him in Saint Brown probably jeez yeah jee uh.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: All right, five past five hundred Web radio at Patriots
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: dot Com is the email address, So let's go. So,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: who starts this week? Freddie? Who starts a quarterback this week?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: It's Hoyer healthy. We don't know any of this information.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm asking for you to give me your thoughts today.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, as you like to say in the picks contest,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's not like anything's on the line. I mean, the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: whole too of thing is, you know, on everyone's mind.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So everyone's going to air on the side of caution.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: See to me, it has nothing to do with that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: If he has a concussion, he has a concussion. If
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he doesn't, he can play. I think he has a concussion.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Could he have a concussion and play? Is that I mean?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying if he has a concussion, he came up
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: from Sunday, If he had a concussion from Sunday and
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: got cleared, then I think he should play. But I
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: don't think he will get clear I don't think I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: think he has a concussion. Like I don't think this
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: was like because of what happened to too where they
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: said no, no, no, you have a concussion, which I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people, not you, Fred, but a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people. I think on Sunday there were a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: lot of concussions. A lot of guys were out of
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: games quickly due to concussion. I think it was like eleven,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you know, something like that. I don't just think that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that's an overreaction to what happened to Tooa, but you know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. But I don't think
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it's just an overreaction. You either have a concussion or
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you don't. Well, you know, it's funny because like they've
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: been touting, oh, over the last x amount of years,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: concussions have gone down because of the safety measures. Is
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that why you know they go down? I also loved
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the stats that came out in the summer with those
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Guardian caps touting how few because they were they were
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: comparing training camp to training camp. Well, do you think
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it has anything to do with the fact that I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. I watched every Patriots practice. I never saw
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: them hits, right, So it's probably hard to get a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: concussion when you're not hitting anymore in training camp. Let's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: say a dozen players this Sunday twelve. Yeah, and again,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I know, a concussion is a hard thing to diagnose, Like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: there's no, it's not a broken bone. It's the old cliche, right,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you can't just put an X ray up and say, oh, yep, concussion.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if a guy has a concussion, the medical
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: people right now probably gonna look at this and say,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: let's make sure we're extra careful with Brian Hoyer, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: before we clear him, we're gonna make sure we're gonna
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: have all our eyes dotted and t's crossed and make
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: sure this is above board. Yeah, I think there's probably
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: something that going on. Point Yeah, that's where I think
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the Tua impact comes in. I don't think Brian Hoyer
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: was forced to leave the game on Sunday with a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: concussion because of what happened to Toua. You know, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: just saw the video of Shack Leonard for the Colts.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Did you see that he was out? Like that's not
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: because of what happened to Toua, No, but that he
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't allowed to come back in the game.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: But I rod Taylor went down and left like he
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: left the ball, like he was like his he was limp,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: his body was like he had lost the ball. Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But if someone did this week what Tua did last,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, two weeks, two weeks ago, he'd be out. Yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, because now it's like, I don't care what
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the protocol, let's make correct. This guy's wobbling all over
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the correct Whereas Brian Hoyer immediately went off the field
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: himself and went right to the tent. Yeah, and then
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: quickly from the tent to the locker room. Yeah, you know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: So so then I get some exactly little context. AJ
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: mccarn's working out for the Giants today, So showing you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: who's out there, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: name attached to the Patriots at some point soon, because
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I think whether Mac Jones, Brian Hoyer, and let's just
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: say all three of them are healthy, it's tenuous, right, Yeah, Like,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: if Mac Jones is able to play on Sunday, can
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: you go into that game saying that, I'm pretty sure
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: he'll still be playing in the second quarter, right, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: got to see him jog out. And Brian Hoyer, you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: don't have any idea probably now if he's gonna I mean,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: unless he's already out of protocol, which I think is
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: highly unlikely. And has has Hoyer had a concussion history
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in the past, I don't needed to make a dive
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: on that. I feel like he has. I mean, I
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: mean I always sort of operate out of the premise
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that these guys all have concussion histories, because they've all
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: played football at a high level for a long time,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: even rookies. Reno has a question, why why can't you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: all have all fifty three players active on game day
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like you do? Why do you have to have an
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: inactive list? Yeah. The short answer to that, as Belichick
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: has explained it to me in the past, is that
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: not all teams have fifty three healthy players. Right, so
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: there would be a chance if you have a fifty
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: three man roster and you don't have any injuries, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the team you're playing has, you know, five guys that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: are hurt. Well, now now it's fifty three healthy bodies,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you know, against forty eight healthy bodies. That's why they
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: feel like if you have an inactive list, that more
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: than likely it's going to make up all of your
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: your injured players. Yeah, and then his second question is
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: did players not change teams before free agency was a thing?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Obviously far less often, but yeah, there were trades and whatnot.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, Patriots famously traded Jim Plunkett to San
• 45:53
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• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Dan Pastorini and and Stabler were traded for each other
• 46:02
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• 46:09
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• 46:11
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• 46:17
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• 46:27
  Speaker 1: What's up William, Hey Bred? How are you doing good? Hey?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Fall I just want to clear fro something When you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: said about what was the linebacker camera growing that the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Pages drafted, he said he was a fifth round pick. Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: What I was trying to explain when I was trying
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to explain to you was this day was big on him.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So they passed up on Devin Lloyd or even trying
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to get maybe rightfall rokarn Smith. You see what I'm saying,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But now you had to go get Jamie Collins. But
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: how do you know that you see what I'm saying?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: How do you know they passed up on Devin Lloyd
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: because of Cameron mcgron, because they went with the left guard. No,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I understand that they went with a left guard, But
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: why do you think that that was because they had
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Cameron mcgron. Okay, I mean, I don't mean you might
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: be you might be one hundred percent right, but I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think that they very well could have loved Devin Lloyd,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: w NA Kobe Deane and they liked Cole Strange better. Right,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I like I don't know what mcgron has to do
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, that's that's my point. But I also
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: don't know. And this is one of the things about
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the Patriots that you you rarely find out these kinds
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: of things. Sometimes little nuggets trickle out. They don't let
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you know what the aboard looks like. And for all
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I know, it was going to be a guard all
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the way. Thanks William. You know, I don't know, but
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I know. There was a lot of talk in the
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: media about the young linebackers that had really yet to play,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the Ouchs, the Jennings, the mcgrons, to a lesser extent,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: ray Kua McMillan, who got hurt last year. There was
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of talk about those guys this offseason. My
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: guess is that William is somewhat right in that when
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the local reporters are talking up those kinds of guys,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: generally someone's telling them this is why we didn't this
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: is why we didn't take. We're high on these guys. Here,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I would argue, that's foolish for a fifth round pick
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: who's never played in the league. You're not going to take,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you know, if you don't like Devin Lloyder, you don't
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: like anybody else, that's fine, But I'm not going to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: ignore a highly touted linebacker because I have a fifth
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: round pick coming off a town acl who's never played
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a snap in the league. Right, Does that make any sense?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Belichick does that. No, No, And
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I mean and I even I just think it was
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: more about the veterans. It was about Wilson. I mean, unfortunately,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it was about Toby. They like him, they see him
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: as one of their guys, as an inside off the
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: ball linebacker. Um. And as you said, McMillan, I think
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: it's moment more about them. I don't know. I just
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: wonder if there was anybody ever inside this building saying
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: we're really high on Cameron mcgron, Like, I mean, no
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: offense to him, but he just seems like a mobile
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: special team Z flyer coming off an injury. I don't
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I never really expected him to be mister All World
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: linebacker this year, right, And you know, I think he's been.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I think he's been battling some injuries right now too
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: while on the practice squad. UM. But it is interesting
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: when they bring back Collins, they let go Longy, so
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: maybe they do kind of look at mcgron as a
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: guy that might be able to do these things if
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, because longye, I mean I think as recently
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: as two weeks ago was elevated, right, wasn't the active
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: rush like two weeks agad one elevation yep, And now
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: evidently he's working out with the Ravens. Yeah, just like that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't know. I just I think that
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: we didn't see him get any time in this summer,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Like he got no meaning not a single meaningful snap mcron.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: There wasn't one time where it seemed like they even
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: gave him a shot, whereas you couldn't say that about
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Jack Jones, Marcus Jones. I mean, you know, I saw
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: these other guys out there at least. Look why I
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: haven't really had much you know, Um, I haven't had
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: much optimism on Ronnie Perkins for the same reasons another
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: guy left out of that right list. We just haven't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: seen him get any what I would say high level reps.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: And by high level, I mean at least with the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: first two groups. Yep. You know, like Josh Bledsoe got
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a ton of reps with you know, with guys that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: are gonna play I don't think he'll ever be out
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: there unless you have a rash of injuries at safety.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: But he got a ton of reps playing like next
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to Devin mccordy, even with the depth that they already
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: have established at safety. Yeah, Bill and DC happily moral victory. Tuesday.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: When the schedule came out, I had the Patriots record
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: at one and three, so I can't be too unhappy.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And then I had them going four and one for
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the next five with an automatic win against Detroit. Now,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: with Matt probably out, I'm kind of pessimistic about this Sunday.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Detroit gives up a ton of points, but they also
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: score a ton. In fact, they're averaging thirty five a
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: game for tops in the league. If Zappi's a starter,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing the Patriots will get
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: into the thirties. How do you guys see this game
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: playing out? I need someone to talk me off the ledge.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, I think you fail out thirty
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: five points. That's going to be an awfully tall task
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: for Bailey Zappy. If it's Mac Jones and he's healthy
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: enough to do it, maybe I don't feel great about
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: that either. Agree they got to find a way to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: keep Detroit in the low twenties not the mid thirties.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: It's just a really interesting game. I mean, like you know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it's just and on top of it, the Patriots were
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: winning their shrowbacks, which just adds a whole other level
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of emotion to it for me. Can't lose this one,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: can't lose. But just what I mean, And after watching
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: the Lions on on Hard Knocks, it's just their style
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of a team, like it's it's it's a really really
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: crazy matchup that like, I just I think they need
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: to keep the game under control because if it gets
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: fast and loose and it's getting back and forth and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: mistakes and mistakes and mistakes on both sides, I don't
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: think that's good for the Patriots. Stephen Carmel, New York.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: The game reminded me a lot of Dallas from last year.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Had chances to win. Both gave up brutal third and
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: longs and should have beaten the more talented team, but didn't.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I digress two questions. What former Patriots defensive back does
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Jack Jones remind you of? Second question for Paul or
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Mike in the postgame show, What is the what happened
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: from the Bad List and that you are right guy
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• 52:39
  Speaker 1: guys from the Sandler movie. Yeah, yeah, that's my boy.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? I'm not sure what will happened? That it
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  Speaker 1: might have been from a mighty wind that one of
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the Christopher guest movies. Um god him blanking on his name,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: the famous actor did to have that with one of
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: his bits. But sorry, what was the first question? Um? What?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: What defensive? Former defensive of somebody who's small and scrappy.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, he feels like one of
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: those terrants wheatly guys. I mean, you know, I don't know.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing at a guy who was a little
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: bit small. But he is. Yeah, that's that's not that's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: not bad. But is around the ball a lot? I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't know about Ellis Hobbs a
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe I was gonna say Hobbs maybe a
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: little okay, yeah, okay, I don't really have any anyone
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that he reminds me of. It's very skinny he is.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: He's gonna need to put on some ball and he's
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: gonna need to learn how to tackle because you can't
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: just grab the ball in your attempt to tackle. He
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: go up a lot of yards the other day doing that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Now without him, they're not in the game. You don't.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You don't get that pick six. You're not even in
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: that game. You know, you want to play the Belichick
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: two plays thing, the pick six and the drop touchdown
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: thirty one seventeen. Yeah, what about the touchdown that went
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: off after the playhog expire? No, no, I only we're
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: only allowed too We're only allowed too plays. Would you
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: think of that? Fred? Did you happen to see the clipper?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Wasn't like in the building. I mean, I don't think that.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think people in the press box realized which
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: one touchdown came like three three to four seconds after
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the play clocks? Oh I know, yeah, yeah, Like, I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever seen one that egregious. That
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: was a bad one. I'd say one more thing too,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: after watching the game. I'm not one to kill the rest,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: but this was just a terribly officiated game. How many
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: times did they point the wrong direction for a penalt
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: call called the wrong side? I mean, it's just some
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of the calls were missed, Some of the calls were
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: taking the place. It was bad. Preach it, Broye. These
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: are my people. God, I hate the officials, I thought.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Although I thought the horse caller was a good call,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: by the rule, Yeah, by the rule. He didn't make
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: initial contact with the name plate. I thought it was
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Tiki tack and didn't need to be called. Yeah, you
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: know it was close for that, But I mean, I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: understand why they called it. I get what you're saying. Fred.
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  Speaker 1: I just like to me when you can let them play.
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  Speaker 1: James writes in he says, simple question, did Bailey Zappy
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  Speaker 1: earn himself a chance to start if Mack is out?
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  Speaker 1: I know Axel Hoyer has the experience, but is it
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  Speaker 1: worth finding out what Zappy could do with a game
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  Speaker 1: plan design around him in a week or practice. If
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  Speaker 1: Paul is right and Matt won't be with the team
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  Speaker 1: as the starter in five years is it worth seeing
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  Speaker 1: if Zappy has anything worth developing? I mean, I get
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  Speaker 1: why everybody wants it to be him. It's just the
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  Speaker 1: element of unknown and the potential that's I don't mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you why why would you want to? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like Ichael, but I can say that I don't I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure that mac Jones is the guy in the future,
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  Speaker 1: But why wouldn't you want that to be what it is? Oh? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well that you're already a year plus into that development
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  Speaker 1: and we want to move on to Bailey ZAPPI no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I just I just mean, but this guy's not alone,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not making fun of him at all. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people like that that want
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  Speaker 1: to see it. I don't know what you saw on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: That's so exciting, right they handed the ball off a ton,
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  Speaker 1: They didn't throw up on him, so well question um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not to necessarily connect the two, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Jacobe Brisette probably didn't see a lot out of him
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  Speaker 1: in camp right when he was a rookie. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think maybe just getting a chance. I haven't seen a
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  Speaker 1: lot out of him eight years into his career either,
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  Speaker 1: But somehow he's managed to stick in the NFL. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he can't be a totally. I think Bailey Shappy will
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  Speaker 1: be an NFL player for a long time. I do,
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  Speaker 1: And that's my That's how I'm getting at I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you think though, that getting a chance like this
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  Speaker 1: early in your career. And I'm not saying that this
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  Speaker 1: is what happened with Jacoby Brissett, but I assume that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: when he started those games in twenty sixteen, it was
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: the same kind of thing of like, he can't he
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  Speaker 1: just got he doesn't know, but getting a chance or
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to kind of get your feet wet a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, to maybe get a little notoriety. I just
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that if those kind of things can
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  Speaker 1: kind of help you developed. I don't. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna overtake Mac. I haven't really seen anything to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: make me think that, you know, he has that potential,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's just interesting that he's getting
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: this experience now and how it might pay off down
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  Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, I could pay off with a fifth
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: round pick for the Patriots, right they trade him like somebody.
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  Speaker 1: But I would just ask again, I understand the mentality.
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  Speaker 1: But I would just ask what people really feel like
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  Speaker 1: they saw on Sunday. I mean they he played the
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  Speaker 1: balance of the game. He went into the game in
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the first quarter and the game went over over time,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: so that's basically a full game. They netted seventy five
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: yard yards passing when he was in the game, right, Like,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: what do you think they did? Yeah, they ran the ball,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: they got to pick six, they held on against Rogers
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  Speaker 1: and had a chance at the end to win. The
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: funny thing about it is like, I don't hear a
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  Speaker 1: lot of how can you even think about replacing Mac?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I don't hear That's that's I guess what my incredulousness
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  Speaker 1: comes from. Was I would look at it that I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: am not the biggest supporter of Mac Jones, as you
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: guys know. I would look at it and say, how
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: could you even think about replacing Matt Jones with Brian
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Hoyer or Day's appy? Right? Right? I mean if it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: was like puzzles me the most. Yeah, if you took
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: like Desmond Ritter or Kenny Pickett in the second round
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  Speaker 1: this year and Mac is out and now you get okay,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: now right, Jordan's love. Let's see Jordan Love. Let's see
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: what this other guy who was kind of similarly touted
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: in the draft. This is a guy who played at
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Houston Baptist for three years and then went to Western Kentucky. Now,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: maybe he'll develop into something more than that. He doesn't have, like,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have NFL traits. Would you agree, No, there's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: nothing about him that can overcome being six. He's small. Yeah,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he doesn't throw the ball exceptionally well. He spins it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: pretty well, but he doesn't have a really strong arm.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that when he is in rhythm, it
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  Speaker 1: looks pretty good. I saw a lot of times this
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  Speaker 1: summer when it was not in rhythm and he kind
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: of gets out of the pocket, trying to do too
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: much at times, which I think they did a really
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: good job of getting out of him. He took the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: sacks the other day instead of throwing it into Harm's way.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: That's where I think Joe Judge to Fred's point early
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Joe Judge, Matt Patricia Bill Belichick, I think they did
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  Speaker 1: a good job with him on the side and said, hey,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: if you don't give them the ball, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: a chance. So if you're in trouble just take the sack.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: If you don't think you can safely throw it away,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: take the sack. And he did. Yeah, I think I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: think he showed I agree with all your points. I
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: just I think he has a little sum between the ears.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's you know, smart process as well, and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: obviously did with the coaches asked of him as Paul Justice. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I do think that there were some place to be
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: made the other day that he didn't. I don't expect
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: them to. I mean, the poor kid, Like this is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: why I would overlook anything negative from Bailey's Appey's game
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: on Sunday because I'm sorry, it's not fair. It wasn't fair, right.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But if he's gonna get just think about that Thursday
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: night game that Jacoby Brissette started against Houston, where the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Houston kick returners decided to just give us the ball
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: like three times in the first half, handed us touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: Brissette ran around the end for like twenty five yards
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  Speaker 1: for one of those touchdowns. He really did nothing. Then
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  Speaker 1: they played the next week. You know, it was all
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: his game plan right play in Buffalo. It's all Jacoby Brissette.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: What happened right? Shout out yep? Because they asked him
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: to play quarterback the second week as opposed to just
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: stay out of the way the first week. Yep, let's
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  Speaker 1: five hundred. We'll start with John and Duxbury. Hey John,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Good afternoon everybody. Hey John. Uh Just a FYI. The
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  Speaker 1: rebroadcasting the Pack is Pat Skame tonight at eight o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL Network if you want to watch it again.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that was the worst game I've ever
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: seen Jonathan Jones play. He could have got beat, but
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: he got beat for one touch down. They should have
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: been two. And Dob dropped that ball in the end zone.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he struggled the long one at
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the start of the second half. I'll give him a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: little bit of a pass because I thought he had
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: pretty good coverage on that play. But they went to Lazard. Yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: thirty two yard down the sideline, the perfect pass. Yeah,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: And I thought he had good coverage. I don't think
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: he had good coverage in the touchdown. He had terrible
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: coverage on the drop touchdown and he didn't you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: contrary to Tony Romo's belief, he didn't rip it away
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, he I mean, he didn't even give
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  Speaker 1: me the sterling more nay, by the way, in fairness
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: to Jacoby, bris said, I will add that he had
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: that bad thumb he did, you know that in that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Buffalo game. But still like point stance, you know what
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah. And the other thing is, um, I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: listened to you, you and Mike on the post game,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: and maybe I tuned in late, so maybe I missed that.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: But when you were talking about players who played well,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Dawn had a very good game. He had, Yeah, I tackled.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: He was on our list. Yep, he was. He was
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: on the good list both. I think all three of
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: us had him on the list. Yeah, that's rare that
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: we all we all agree. The other thing, Paul, he
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: did so on that interception, Jones's interception, he blew that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: guy out and gave him a flip path to the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: end zone. One of I think it was one of
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: their wide receivers he took out of the play. Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: he played, he played well. He's played well so far.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: This is kind of like last year. He's got a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: burst four sacks and four games. He's fresh. Well yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: all right, that's all I got boys all right. And
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I even think unlike last year, Like last year, I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: thought there were times like he would have a sack
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and I didn't really notice him. This year, I think
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: he's had a sack and he's had two or three
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: other times where he's been forcing the ball out quickly,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: making a play here or there. Yeah, he's been, he thinks,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: very good. His closing burst to kind of stuck out
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: to me in a way that it didn't last year
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of just that you know, that extra last minute, he's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: getting close, he's he looks quick and the shape to me,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Christians in La, what's up? Christians turned down the internet? Yeah,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, I want to I know he wasn't
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: giving credits to Bailey and the team for really sort
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: of coalescing around him. I want to talk about some
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: of the stuff to happen at the end of the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: game that I thought was a little bit off. We
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: are usually so good with situational football, and yet to me,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: the three big his plays in the game how to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: do with situational football. First, the two defenses played at
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the end with Aaron Rodgers on the forty with only
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: meeting twenty yards to go to kick a field goal
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: to win the game. We had to play a play
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: twenty yards off. Again, I agree that was very curious
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: situational football, right, that situational awareness. And then also with
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy when we were around the forty or so,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: the running plays and then the kind of I thought
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: we should have done some sort of rollout with Bailey
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and just let him try to lose use his legs
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: on the cross pat. If it's not there, you throw
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: it away, you run it out. Oh, you take the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: five yards, ten yards, and you give the first down.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to see you guys take them
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: what you think we did situationally wrong at the end
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: of the game. I really agree with your point of
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: my question. Um, the off coverage in overtime, Mike, we
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: both of us looked at each other and I was like,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Um? And I don't know if
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: that was a situation where they came out in a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: formation that Aaron Rodgers recognized immediately and said we're gonna
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: check out of that and I'm just gonna throw it
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: up to him and take the easy five yards because they,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, Christian is overselling it. They were on the forty.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: They only needed five yards for a field goal, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: they ended up doing it two plays in a row
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: to getting comfortable chip shot range. They actually ran that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: play twice to get one first down. Then I think
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: they ran it three times, got another first down, and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: then they kneeled on the ball and kicked the field
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: goal at you know, like now you got very little
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: chance of him missing a field goal. I thought that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: was that was interesting. I didn't know if that was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Jack Jones playing off or if he's being instructed to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: play off, which is my guests, because knowing Jack Jones,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: he's looking to make a play. Yeah. Yeah, So I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: thought that was strange. The Mike and I actually debated
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: this a little bit on Sunday. I think we really agree,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: more so when you know, I have to watch the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: trash talk segment on on the TV show this week
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: where we seem like we argue about But I thought
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: there was some plays maybe that they could have taken
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: a shot, maybe on first or second down. And I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: think that's what's missing for me, Like I think overall,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that the offense has been
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the first couple of weeks it
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: was so much like Oh, they don't even know what
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: they're doing. Guys are running the same route like all that.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: That stuff's kind of fallen by the wayside. For me.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I just it's the specific moments is And I think
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: that's what made Josh great was that he often knew
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: the right time to kind of push the button to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: change things up or maybe go in a different direction.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think it's totally crazy the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: development process that they've shown of all, right, they can
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: execute an offense, but you know, do they have the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: right little plays at the right little time to push
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: And I think that's something that they need to work on.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: When hey, we need something here, we need something right here.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: We got to spring something on them, you know, find
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: them more of those kinds. Right. We didn't get to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: talk to you in all serious about about this, Like
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: what were your feelings on that overtime possession? So they
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: take over on the forty nine, They take over run
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: on the Patriots forty nine. They need a down probably
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: fifteen yards to get into legitimate nick Folk territory, Like,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on what they did? I have
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: to be honest, I can't remember thinking, you know, for
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: really an instant. Oh, the play calling's bad here. I'm
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: not just talking about the approach and John. I just
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: think they know what they could do, and I think
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: they were playing conservative, but I don't think they felt
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: they had a choice. And I couldn't really disagree, you know. Okay,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: so if you're going to be conservative, I think that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: they were conservative backwards. Like if you wanted to just
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: run it, like I had said to Hardy before the series,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: just run it three times, They're not going to stop
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: you from getting a first down, and they didn't. Yeah,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: they threw it, And I think if you were going
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: to throw it, but maybe in that situation they figured
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: they would because they were loading up so much. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I just think on third and five, now you gotta throw, yeah,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you know, then the defense is more prepared for it.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: And that was the one time that I thought Bailey
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Bailey zappy, not Jake Bailey. It really bugs me. Um,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: the first name thing bugs man. I don't know if
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: you know that. Fred. Yeah, Um. I thought that was
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: one of the only times that he really looked flustered
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: on that play. I thought he had hun right off
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the right off the break and he didn't he like
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: he escaped. I thought a reasonably clean pocket kind of
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: got disoriented and threw it into harm's way. I mean
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: that was that was a dangerous throw um. I thought
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: first or second down was a time to to throw,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: like you load up, you got the actually got Marcus
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Cannon out there, eligible hard play action, quick little toss
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: to Stevenson in the flat, or maybe Hunter Henry, you know,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: get a you know, a cheap eight yards and then
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: you you just pound away or on third on third
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: and five, so they stopped the second down run for nothing.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Can you do it again? Because we're gonna do it
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: two more times and I don't think you can stop me.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Now on fourth and five, I would have punted. I
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: think he made the right moved down. I wonder on
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: that on that third down play with Hunter Henry, that's
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: where the size kind of concerns me. With those quick
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: in cuts. When you've got the frontier line right there,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: can he see over those guys in and find that whole?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And we should point out Pressian Paul Perillo coming through
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: for those of us listening. Earlier in the show, Paul
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: mentioned Garrett Gilbert as a potential in fairness, I mentioned
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Jake Dolgalla first. So but alas I covered, I played
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Coverall reports have the Patriots signing Garrett Gilbert to the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: practice squad. San re reading, I just thought, I just thought,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of someone who's been here recently, Danny at
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Ling would fall into that category, except for I don't
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: think Danny Atling's a quarterback. Yeah, right, so I wanted
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a guy who actually, you know, a quarterback, who actually plays,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: you know, quarterback. Yeah, so maybe, I mean it might
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: be as probably a sign that that at least Hoyer
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: is not going to be ready to go immediately, right
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: very And I do wonder if because of that, see
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: that no look Freddy, Yeah, if because of that, if
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: you get some press on mac Jones, if he feels
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: the pressure, not the pressure from the team, but he
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: feels it internally and rushes back, I would that would
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: concern me. I think he has a chance to play
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: because of the situation. If Brian Horror was healthy, I
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any chance Mac Jones would play some day.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, Paul, though, I mean, this is
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to the point now where I think my
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: biggest worry is is Mac gonna try to play when
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't try to play and hurt the team and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: hurt himself, like I think he's going to be a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: sitting duck. Yeah, it's back to the phones. Brian's in Florida.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: What's up, Brian, Brian, Hey guys. Hey, Yes, I'm a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: long time listener, first time caller here in Florida. Thank you,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: and Paul to mention kind of what you were saying.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I thought to play calling at the overtime when they
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: had the first and five, I thought they really should
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: have thrown it to the flat on that second and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: five and got one on one with the back to
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: get a couple of yards because you knew they were
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: gonna We knew we're gonna run it at that point.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to run it. And I just wanted to
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: ask another thing, did Stevenson ever get to run it?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: I noticed they went with Harrison overtime, but I thought
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Stevenson was a better back with the defense being up
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: on the line. And I had one other thing with
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones. I think we're reaching out looking for Zappie
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: because we're not quite seeing what we want to see
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: out of Mac. We're not comfortable with Mac and we're
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: looking for the the next golden star. And that's why
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I think that we're not all saying, hey, we want
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Mac back as soon as possible, I'll shut up and
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: move on the thanks guy. It was Harris on the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Two Runs. Stevenson, No, Stevenson, m Yeah, I mean I hear,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: and I thought Mike really articulated it. Well, you know
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes like the new thing, that's the unknown thing. Well
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: maybe he's actually a superstar. I just don't know how
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you can look at it and watch what he did
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: on Sunday and say, yeah, that's what we're missing. Like
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones against Baltimore made more plays in that game
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: then I think he made in any game before that. Like,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: if you were, like, if you were at all a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: believer in Mac Jones, the Ravens game had to give
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: you some hope. Yeah, yeah, I know he made mistakes.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I know, you know, he threw interceptions. And that's why
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I said, like, it's hard to say, like the best
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: game you ever played is a game they had no
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: touchdowns and three picks. It wasn't the best game you
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: ever played, but there were times in that game where
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: he's never looked better. Yeah, it's easy to come out
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: of that game, and hen he not got hurt to say,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: just don't tell picks and I play it that way.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Don't tell picks. I think if they just you know,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I've said this before. He's gonna make mistakes. Let him
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: make the mistakes. He'll get better. He'll, you know, if
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: if what we're told about him is true, that his
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: you know, biggest asset is between the ears. He will
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: learn from those mistakes. But you gotta let him make
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: it because that's how you work. That's how it works
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's through experience. You gotta you gotta
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: see it for yourself and experience it for yourself. You
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: can watch film all day, but until you get out
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: there with that speed um you just you can't improve
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: until you actually do it. Yeah, Paul, I saw you.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: I saw you clapping back a little bit at Tommy
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Curran on the Brady two thousand and two things. Do
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: you think there's there's any truth to that though? Of Yes,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: second year feeling it out, being aggressive good, That's what
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Fred is talking about. Sometimes you have to just let
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the guy try to make plays and figure out what
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't work right, what can I what can and what
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I clapped back about is he makes it sound like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: he was mistake prone that year. But the difference is
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones just been mistake prone without the plays. Tom
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Brady was a mistake prone with more, more big plays
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: than he had made the previous year. Do you know
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I agree
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: with Fred's mentality, Like this is why I like do
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: you remember a long, long time ago, Tom Jackson made
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: an idiotic comment on ESPN about Brett Farve, saying one
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: thing I've always admired, I'm admired about Brett Farve, and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty close. One thing I've
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: always admired about Brett Farve is he's never afraid to
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: throw an interception. And of course, you know the cackling
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: hyenas that have a spreadsheet here that says interceptions bad,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: We can't throw interceptions. Don't take into consideration how many
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: times a guy trying to force one in there and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: getting picked off is outweighed by the fifteen times that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: he tried to force one in there and made a
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: huge play that ultimately led to a lot of points
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: being scored for your team. That's what Tom Jackson meant
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: he's not going to be swayed out of his mentality
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: because he makes a mistake or two, because he knows
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: he's good enough that more often than not, he's going
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: to make the play. Now, some guys have that mentality
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: and they make more mistakes than plays. Brett Favre wasn't
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: one of those guys. He made more plays than mistakes,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and Brady learned. I think Tom Karrn is right. Brady
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: learned in two thousand and two the plays that he
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: couldn't make. Yeah, but he laid a lot more than
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: he didn't, telling Aaron Judge, don't swing for the fences
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: because you know you strike out. You know I'll take
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: the strikeouts. Sorry, I gotta sneast bruin. Let's go to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Mark and Florida. What's up Mark? Hey, guys, how are
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: you doing? Hey? Mark? You're he's certainly around on the right,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: on the wall with everything. And what we're missing is
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: someone great. Right now we have no one great. I
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: was hoping that, you know, Bill could be great this
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: year for us, but he's strung out too far, too
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: So hopefully Zachy gets it, wins one game, motivates mac
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: let MACI man and maybe become great and helpless because
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: it all someone great. You know, I'm going to go
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: much further than we are. Yeah, I mean you hate
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: to say it, but like who is great on the Patriots?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, And like you can't honestly say anyone is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: an all pro caliber type player? No, you know, nope, no,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: And I mean, and you know, and I wonder, you know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: we want bar More to be great, you know, but
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: he's not there yet, not there yet. Coach Range isn't
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: there yet, you know what Stevenson I think, you know,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: but he's a running back and it's the NFL, and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: you know you have to be uh. Plus he's not
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not bad. Yeah, it's such a weird
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: he's not McCaffrey. It's such a weird street spot with
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: those that you're so good that you're the whole offense,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Like you got to live in that place where you're
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: like you're not too good where you're the whole offense.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: But he's more explosive than Harris, but he's not explosive
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: like those guys. You know. Now, Thornton's great, but he
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: hasn't been able to show it yet. You all seriousness
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: about Thornton. I'd be curious to see if he practices
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: this week. He's back out there tomorrow. Neil and New Brunswick,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: with all due respect to moral victories, were one in
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: three in last place in our division. My question is
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: for fair statement right there, which version Bill actually calls
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the shots, because I think it would be really good
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: if coach Bill would just fire GM Bill and hire
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: an actual GM Sunday prove coach Bill is still the best.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't have the players to make it work.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: We're paying two tight ends a total cap hit of
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: twenty three million, and I don't think they have ten
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: total catches in four games. What Deebo Samuel did last
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: night caught a four yard pass and then took it
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: fifty yards for a touchdown. No one on our team
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: can do that. Until we have that, we're stuck in
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: the bottom half of the league. I mean, I don't
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: totally disagree. I mean, you know it's simplifying it, but
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I mean you're right. I mean it's just I mean,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: do we at all go with anything that we've seen
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: the last two games where they have at least made
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of players down the field, especially the Baltimore game.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of gnoring this game. Like you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: can sit there and say you don't have anybody to
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: make a play when you know you have your third
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: string quarterback in the field, Like it's hard to have that. Yeah,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that there is a good
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: team in there, and I think you've seen it for
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: you know, small periods of time that they have been
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: able to execute on both sides of the ball and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: look pretty good. But I mean, I think it just
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: goes back to training camp where I think the phrase
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: it kept just is not consistent. They'd have a play here,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: play there, they'd have a bad play, and that's kind
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: of carried over through the first four weeks of this.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I think that one thing that's kind of like coming
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: out to me like last year and this year, is
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of teams over the last twenty
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: years that I sort of looked at as kind of
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: like that they're no good. You know, they went seven
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: and nine, you know, Minnesota Vikings, Yeah they're no good.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: But what I'm kind of realizing is some of those
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: teams that you know, some weeks they win, some weeks
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: they lose, you know, they they fall short, you know
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: against Green Bay. You know, like in the Vikings case,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: they have periods of time where they look pretty good,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: they played pretty well. They have talent, they have ability,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: but they don't have enough ability to consistently stack up
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: when it counts against good teams. And that's why I
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: look at the Patriots the last two years, Like I
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: agree with Mike, I think there have been times with me,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: all right, I see what they're doing, and I'll say this,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: the preparation, the first drive of every game. Yeah, it's
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: been really good. So I know they can still put
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: it together. I know Building still knows what he's doing
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: because they come out and they put it drive together,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: they go right down the field. They're effective, but they
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: can't hang. They can't stay that way. Um, and especially
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I think when the when the competition is tough, I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: look at them and they make mistakes, right, well, but
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: that's why you make mistakes, because the competition is tough. Yeah. Uh,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Peter says. I think it's fair to say twenty twenty
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: two what a draft. Green Bay Packers were there for
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: the taking and New England Patriots are about to go
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: five and three in a blink of an eye. Yeah,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what everybody expects. I don't. I mean,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I hope I heard somebody say they're gonna go form
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: one in their next five games. It's lined up that way.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, this is the stretch of
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: the schedule where you could. But I mean, the quarterback
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: issues a spot here. It was healthy and everything it
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: kind of unfolded the same. I might kind of agree
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: with that, but with the uncertainty a quarterback right now,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what it's gonna look like this
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: weekend and how you're you know, gonna match scores with
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the Lions and we're trying to cobble some things together here, guys. Yeah,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: you just line up and run the ball against Detroit.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: You should move the ball, you should show it in
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: the game, and you should be able to win it.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I hope you're right. You really should be able to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: beat these teams. Now, I don't know what the Colts
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: are exactly. To me, that's the ultimate jackal and hide team.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you saw it on display Sunday. They looked
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: awful in the first half, then they blew doors off
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: in the second half and fell short because Jonathan Taylor
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: had an unfortunate fumble on a short yardage play. But
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: that's not going to be an easy game. The other
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: ones you should win. You should beat Chicago at home,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: you should beat Detroit at home, and I'm sorry, you
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: should beat the Jacoby Brissette led Cleveland Browns. Hart Preet
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: writes in can we talk about the third down and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: something pops up and gets in the way? Ah fat fingers, no,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: hold on hold? Can we talk about what hobart? Can
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: we talk about the third down? That Nellie dropped the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: third down pass. At first, the announcer said he threw
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: it too low, but once they showed the replay, you
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: could see it hit Nelly right in the chest. I
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: think the reasoning behind this is because Nelson is used
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: to mac Jones and used to his peace shooter. Then
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Zappy was thrown in and had to just for his cannon.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: You're out of your mind. Yeah, you're out of your mind.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: But that was a killer drop. That was one of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: the best drop. It was one of the better throws
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Zappy made. It was the best throw he made. It
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: was a second and twelve play and it would have
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: set up third and short. Um. But um, if you
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: think that Bailey Zappy's arm strength is noticeably stronger than
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones is then you're not watching football because neither
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: one of those guys has a major league arm Tom
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: and Northwest New Jersey. It was my initial feeling that
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Zappy should start when Mac went down, but Paul's insistence
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: it was a stupid idea made me abandon it and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: feel foolish for thinking it. Uh, it's not like we
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: saw and then and then you watch Brian Hoyer go
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: out march right down the field, going five or six,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: and somehow that made you think that you were right after. Oh,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: he's saying he was wrong? Is he yeah? Doesn't sound different. No,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: he says he realized it was a stupid idea, but
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: that's laced with scat and he felt foolish for thinking it.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I think he's that's laced with sara. I don't think so.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's saying you put him in
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: his place. I think it's true. It's not like we
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: saw O seven Tom Brady or even seventy nine Steve Grogan,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: but I think we saw enough to be excited to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: see what comes out of the QB position during Mac's
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: injury I'm excited to see what this kid can do.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Of course, I don't wish injury on Hoyer, but I
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: think allowing Zappy to start should be a no brainer
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: until Mac is back. And please, Fred's okay, So now
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: do you do you now agree that it was laced
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: with sarcast The guy who handed off one hundred and
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: ten times was more impressive than the guy that threw
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: the ball five for six in leading a scoring drive. Yeah, please, Fred,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: stop calling the Jets New Jersey. It's insulting to the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: state I call home. Love the show, except when you
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: bag on New Jersey. I used to live there. I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: can bag on it. I mean it is where they are.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I mean they practice and play in New Jersey. Right,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: two and two? Yeah, here's where I'm gonna play. Fred's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: side of the street. Yeah, this is where. This is
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: the beauty of me. I can argue anything. So those
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: five games, right, it's Detroit, Chicago. No, it's Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Jets, Indians. Okay,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: three of those teams have a better record than you
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: right now, yea, the only team that wait a minute,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Chicago's two and two, four of them, two and four
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: of them have a better record than the only team
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: that has the same record is Detroit. So we're penciling
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: in five and oh against teams that have better records
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: than you. Now, that's people, it's not it's not twenty fourteen,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen with no idea who's playing quarterback. It's twenty
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: twenty two. It's a whole You have to rejigger everything,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: you know, take the eraser and I just look at
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: like I look at the defense against you know, you know,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: decent not great offenses, especially this week, it's a bad offense.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Green Bay is averaging less than sixteen points a game
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: coming into the game, and they've been able to move
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: the ball at will against you like Detroit is high
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: powered at least on paper. And we're just happy appy.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I think they should win the game. I don't think
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: there's any excuse to lose the game. Russell writes in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: with what looks like changes being made to concussion protocols
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: and players being let back in or out or held
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: out of a game after exiting due to a head
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: related injury, do you think there will be more time
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: spent on backup quarterbacks being more ready to play. Also,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to assume a quarterback gets signed to the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: practice squad had already happened and elevated on game day.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: But if Mac is seventy five eight percent more healthy
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: than last week, does he serve as the emergency backup
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: until fully healthy? I just, I mean it's such a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: fine line of like how healthy is always healthy enough
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: to go, especially with an ankle. I man, Paul, you've
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: said out a bunch of times already of if he's
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: going to go out there and give it a go,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: do you feel great about him? Not, you know, getting
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: rolled up on having a move in the pocket. I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: based on what I saw Mac Jones three days ago
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: standing still, just I just don't worry about it. I
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: know I'm gonna sound really hypocritical because I've been somewhat,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: you know, lukewarm on Mac Jones. I've said many times
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: I do not think he stinks. I think he's good.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. But I also don't want
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: to risk like losing him for a longer period of time.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily saying career threatening or anything dramatic,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: but I do worry about a guy. What if what
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: if he's like standing in the pocket and he says,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: this is probably the time for me to get out
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: of here right now, but I know I can't. So
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to stand in a half a second longer
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: and get this out and bang he gets his light
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: switch lowered. Then something bad happens. I'm not necessarily saying
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: something happens to his ankle. To further it, I'm saying
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: he takes a hit that he wouldn't have normally taken.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, and even normally he's getting get hit him,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: like even normally he's getting fit pretty hard. And like
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: I said, with John ou Smith not available, maybe does
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: that mean you can't just make the switch to Marcus Cannon.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because when it struggled, and I just
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: think that there's some risk involved if you want to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: turn it over to if you want to turn it
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: over to Mac Jones and just you know, hold him
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: out and just say we know you're not one hundred
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: percent go out there like it. There's a lot of
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: risk in there's a lot of risk in there, especially
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: if he's your long term guy. I think I had
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: a seizure in the middle of that sence I kind
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: of forgot what I was even talking about. In the middle.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, I'm back now, that's all right.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: I'm used to it now, Pa I followed him. I speak,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I speak. I don't know, Fred, I think, uh oh.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I thought he got a call from Fred Leaves and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: we don't know what to say. I thought he got
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: a call from Big Cheddar. We just stand here and stay.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: That's usually the only the only way you ever see
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: him leave the show in the middle is Big Cheddar. Yeah,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: someone with the last name beginning with K calls and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: he has to go. But evidently it was just nature
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: and he's back. Godfred, are we doing. We're just sort
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: of reiterating mac feters of having Mac Jones play, which
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: neither one of us rules out, by the way, Yeah,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, but like against his like against my better
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: judgment of letting him play. I mean, I didn't think
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I knew one thousand percent he wasn't playing last week,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: But beyond that, I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I really,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think now, I think it's a fair
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: guest to say the insistence was on his part that
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: he could get out there sooner than that's kind of
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: I told you. I had that epiphany late last week.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: That's what it seems like. Yeah, he wants to get
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: out there, which you know, good for him, you know,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: but now the team, now, the team has to step
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: in and protect him. Right right, Um, phones are stacking
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: up here. Let's go to Eddie in Florida, our third
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Floridian in a row. What's up, Eddie? Eddie? Not much? Hey,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: so listen, I got too Hey. Can you hear me? Yeah?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Perfectly? Okay? Great? So I got
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: two points and then I got to follow up trivia
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: question football love. First point was second in five at
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: midfield in overtime, just two obvious play action pass. I
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: don't I don't get that. I mean, anyways, second point. Um,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: just as easily as we could beat any of the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: following teams coming up, we could lose to any of
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: the following teams coming up. We have to play near
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: perfect foot wall, mistake free, well execution, high level. I
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: don't think you point, but yeah, I mean I agree
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: with you. I agree with you. Premise. I think they.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: I think Fred is right. You can't just automatically say,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: and I don't automatically say that they're gonna win all
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: these games. I think they will win at least four
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: of them. But I don't automatically say there's no chance
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna lose. I boyd, things have changed
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: this show, huh, Paul being more optimistic, Pau, I know,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wait for these games, I think,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: but I think you're right. I don't think you can
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: pencil in Detroit is a win, Fred. The only one
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: eye pencil in is a win is Chicago. They will
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: not lose to a guy who they will not let pass. Yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I agree they won't lose that game, but I think
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: they can lose any of the other four. Yeah, I
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: mean the Jets. It's a Harry. I mean, but I
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: don't think they will. Like, just because I don't think
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: they're gonna win, I don't think they're gonna lose, doesn't
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: mean that they will. I guarantee you that Jet game
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: is the dog match, A dog fight guaranty almost always are,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: you know when when they play the Jets the Jet Now,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: the scores have been out of control, but the games haven't,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: you know, Like last year that game was more than
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: competitive and Zeke Wilson just kept throwing picked after picked
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: right and eventually we pulled away, right, Yeah, that game
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: and then we blew him out in Foxborough. We always
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: kill him here. Yeah, there's a lot of we talk there.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: We first names. Eddie's got a trivia question for you, Paul. Well,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: it's a follow up trivia question based on the sixth
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman from the mid seventies. We rattled off. You
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: rattled off the names pretty damn easily, But can you
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: do the numbers as well? So we're talking about the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: offensive line in the seventies. So John Hannah seventy three,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: is that what you mean? Yeah, the one that set
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: the record? Yeah, okay, So John Hannah was number seventy three,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: is that what you mean? Pete Rock was fifty eight,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Bill and Kindi sixty seven, Sam Adams was sixty one.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Shelby Jordan was seventy four. Wow, right, you thought you
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: had him right. Leon Gray was seventy. Wow. The only
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: one I didn't get was Bill Ankitis. Great job. I
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: was gonna say that that's the sixth offensive linement that
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: played regularly because Lankitis and Brock used to Altnay, that's right, Jocolitis.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I was a kid. Then that's like,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: that's my wheelhouse. I'll never know anything like I do.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I was ten roster back. Good stuff,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, have a great all right, thanks Eddie.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Zamir in Maine. What's up, Zamir? Yeah, hey, guys,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: that were you good? Good? I just had a question
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: about UM. I think something that Paul said needed last week. UM.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: He had mentioned that the uh, the packing yards are down,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: UM over the course of the year. Is that? Is
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? They were heading into last week. I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: don't know where they stand now. I know there was
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: some big performances over the weekend, but heading into last week,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: the passing numbers were down. Got you? And I had
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the silly question. I don't know it make sense or not,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: but are the penalty yards? No? Penalties? Are penalties are down?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: I believe? Got Yeah. I think if you don't get
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: the forty yard bomb, but you have a forty yard
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: passinger fearing, then yeah, no, it's a that's a fair point. Yeah,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: that wouldn't count in passing yards. That's a fair point.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: But no, I don't think penalties are up. I think
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: that the the premise that a lot of people are
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: going with and I don't know if if this is
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: valid or not, but there's been a u sort of
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: a change and a lot of teams that are doing
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: the similar kind of things with too high safety looks
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: and trying to keep everything in front um, and it
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: just it's not conducive to the deep game, the deep
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: ball um. So, you know, I think that people are
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: getting pressure on the passer more frequently and taking away
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: the big play. So you're doing the whole Belichick thing.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Make them go ten, twelve, fourteen plays, and sooner or
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: later we'll get some pressure, we'll cause a you know,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: we'll cause an incompletion, we'll get off the field. Yeah, um,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: just god. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty spoiled. I started playing
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: football when I was ten back in two thousands, So
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: this is all I've ever known as winning. But I
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: feel like you're right. The Patriots for the past twenty
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: plus years have had They've always did everything in front
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: of them, everything in front of everything in front of them. Ye,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: it's just it's been the normal, you know, That's all
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I've ever known. Ye. Perfect, No, I appreciate the answer, guys.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: You guys have a great day. Thanks. I was just
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: gonna give you I know we talked about penalties. The
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: updated Patriots penalties. They're twenty sixth overall and the number
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: of penalties their third overall im pre snap penalt third
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: worst in pre snap penalties, and that was the seven
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: pre snap penalties. That was the point I was trying
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: to make, like, you know, you're good at get penalties,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: but you can't have the ones that can't be ignored.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Um although in this case they did have one that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: was ignored got a touchdown out of it. Yea. So
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: they're one of the least penalized teams in the league twelve.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: But but they have the third most pre snap penalties,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: seven pre snap penalties. They're twelfth on offense, twenty sixth
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: on defense, sixteenth and special teams. But yeah, the pre
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: snap penalties are are a bugaboo. All right, let's go
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: one more call and we'll get back to the emails.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina. Hey, Eldred, what's he listening to?
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Sounds like he's cheating on us. Yeah, Eldred, We're supposed
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: to be the only podcast he listens to. All right,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: call back. It's very sad, it's very poor. Claire's writing
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: in Hello, everyone, Hello, Marin and me. I gotta say
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: this felt this was a not win game rather than
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: a loss. I don't feel too bad about it, to
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: be honest. So with what you guys were saying about
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: John od Smith possibly being out for a few games,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: do you see the Patriots looking for a veteran tight
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: end to bring in, specially a blocking one. You know.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: I hate to say, Claire, but ever since you kind
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: of came on board and started this whole tight end thing,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the completely devoid of tight end play, completely devoid of
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: tight end play. Yeah, scared them away, Claire Pick. And
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: I think the Hunter Henry thing is interesting to me. Yeah.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry had nine touchdowns last year, and I always
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: a complete and total afterthoughts, there's nine target disconnect like
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: what happened? I don't know. And this isn't on the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: tight end no, I mean, I don't know. I don't
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: know if it's an offensive thing, if they're trying to
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: push the ball down the field more. It's just they
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: seem like they are more focused on making those guys block,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: and I just it's it's they're not good at it.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: It's not it's not positive the win when they're forced
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: to block and come and pull and lead the way,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: and they they get in the way kind of, but
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: they don't really move anybody, and you know, it's it's
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: it's you know, to Claire's point, it's like I'd almost
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: rather have at least the guy who's a really effective blocker,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: because at least you know you're getting one thing out
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: of them for sure. But if you're not getting any
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: receptions out of these guys, they're not really passive. This
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. They're just they're not contributing
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: really in any way. And in some cases in the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: blocking game, I feel like they're hurting. Now that said,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: we talked about third down. Hunter Henry was there, so
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: I think there are moments that these guys are open.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't really say that with John. I don't
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: feel like they've missed on a lot of plays with JOHNU.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. It's a disconnect somehow. And that's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: one thing I think, when you know Mac does come back,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: can that return, especially in the red zone as they
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: get down there and get more reps in the red zone,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: get Hunter Henry some touchdowns. Philippe and Rio de Janeiro
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: writes in as much as the Bailey's appy conversation is
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: interesting and revealing of what Patriots fans truly think of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Can we talk about the other Bailey on
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: the team, the most expensive punter in the league, Jake Bailey.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: He's now entering his second bad season and had a
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: particularly bad game against the Packers after Belichick stress throughout
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: the week the importance of field position. Sorry if you
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: already discussed it, I missed the first part of the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: show and we'll have to catch up afterwards. Well, I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: mean Andy treat tweeted out today which I noted that
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Bailey's twenty nine think gross and net punting, So you know,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: it's just, I mean, that's tough for me to just
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: so you know, that's up, that's up from what he
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: was last last week. So I don't know, I struggle
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  Speaker 1: to really truly judge punters accurately based on these kind
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  Speaker 1: of numbers, But I don't think he's really helped them
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  Speaker 1: a lot in terms of the field position. I think
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  Speaker 1: the punt that he had at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter was particularly bad, thirty six yard punt when
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: they were backed up. You know, sometimes the the gross
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  Speaker 1: numbers can be misleading. If you're punting a lot from
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: around midfield, you know, you know, you could have a
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  Speaker 1: thirty five yard punt that gets down at the five
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  Speaker 1: and that's you know, it's a terrific punt, you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're punting from your own fifteen with I
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: don't know, three minutes left and you get a thirty
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  Speaker 1: six yards or off, you know only because Romeo Dubbs
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: dropped it touchdown? Did you survive that? That should have
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: been game set match? That was a bad punt in
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  Speaker 1: a big time, big in a big spot. Jack and Anaba.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Rome wasn't built in a day, nor will the post
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Brady Patriots be built in a day. Nevertheless, from the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: patriots gritty overtime lost to Green Bay at Lambeau, the
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  Speaker 1: outlines of the formidable edifice of the next championship Patriots
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: team began to appear. In vindication of Belichick's last three drafts,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: young Patriots are emerging as consistent playmakers and potential difference makers.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Mike and When You Cole Strange, Damian Harris, Romande Stevenson,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore, Jack Jones, Marcus Jones, Bailey's Appy Mac Jones
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: too if he weren't injured. The Patriots still have a
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: way to go, But after last Sunday's performance, I have
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: hoped for the future of this team. What do you
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: think I need more? I need more out of those guys.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: I need to see them, you know, win, That would
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: help too. But I mean, I you know, I think
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: there's some truth in what he's saying with on when
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: you and I mean, I really liked him at right guard.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: I think he's been effective there this year. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't think any there's no nobody's developing
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: into star players, you know, like and that's like my
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: hope of On paper, it doesn't look like they have
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: those guys, But the hope would be that you've got
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: a good team that's well coached, and they play together
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: and guys start to emerge from that and all of
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: a sudden, guys, you know, like a Rob Nikovich, you know,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: emerges and oh, all right, this guy knows how to play,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: and we could he develops and he becomes an impact player.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: And as much as you want to say the last
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: three drafts were great, I mean that was the twenty
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: draft draft that great. I mean, I like Kyle Dugger.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love him. I don't feel like that,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Oh he's a slam dunk safety for the next ten years.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Here he was playing like a guy who was a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: little injured. No, but and I litter you've seen from
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger that like to Mike's point, like, I think
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger's fine. I like, I don't have any problem
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: with Kyle Dugger, but he's not a guy that I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: look back and say, we've got Kyle Dugger back in
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: that twenty draft. Like, yeah, Michael Awhenio, Michael Lawhennu wasn't
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: playing in place of Ted Carriss last year, So now
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: he's playing because you lost two offensive linemen and someone's
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: got to play, and it's Michael Lewen. You. I agree
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: with Mike. I think he's he's played fine at guard. Like,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: that's not going to make the difference having you know,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: a couple of good running backs and a couple of
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: good guards as your draft picks. That's not what championship
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: foundations have built upon. I know that that sounds funny
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: because the old school way of you gotta build from
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: within and be strong. Yes, you can't have a terrible
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: offensive line but you don't have to have first round
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: picks in third round picks running the ball. In order
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: to be a championship caliber team, you have to have
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: some playmakers along the way, and they really don't have
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: any on either side of the ball. In my mind, now,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: maybe Jack Jones is a playmaker on defense. Maybe maybe
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm willing to say, like first game he
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: goes out, causes two turnovers. Maybe maybe this is what
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: he is. Maybe he's just one of those guys he's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: gonna make plays. If he is, that's a start. But
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: do you think that you're gonna win a championship just
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: like lining up and running the ball? No, No, you
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: need you need the you need the big positions, right
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: likeships that Derek Henry win zero. You know how like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: we play teams and we look at some of their players.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: He's a problem, he's a problem. Who on the Patriots
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: when other teams are planning for us say he's a problem.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: I mean a little jude on. I mean I think
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: he's okay play. I think he's a good player. Yeah, okay,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I'll give you that. You for some reason, when you
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: just said that, I thought you said, uh, I thought
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: you said Ouch. I said Jude, and I was like,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: how what was that? What? What was that facetious? But
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the positions you need, Like you need
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: a receiver, you need a quarterback, you need a pass rusher.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd throw him a linebacker in there that
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: can make plays and you know, get sidelined to sideline
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: and you know they don't really have those. I mean
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: you can say Jude on off the edge, and I
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: do think that that's app but there's not a lot
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: of depth and not a lot of it's a problem
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: for the other team. Quick game to end the show.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I gotta get going. This is from Anthony for Shawn
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: Slater's out for the season. If interested, ideal win to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the Charges in a heartbeat for fourth or maybe a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: third fourth swap deal. Um, that was just a comment.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: We're not getting a third round pick, frisea win, just
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: to say that, would you rather questions answer which you
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: think would make the team better. Would you rather have
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Judon and Barmark combined for thirty sacks or Harris and
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Stevenson combined for thirty touchdowns? Thirty touchdowns? That's crazy. You
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: gotta score a win. Mac averages three hundred yards, three
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: touchdowns and two turnovers a game, or he averages one
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards one touchdown in point to five
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: turnovers per game. The ladder, Yeah, the ladder. Do the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: ladder over the former? Yeah, yeah, living on that edge.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: John U and Henry combined for fifteen touchdowns or Jones
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: rookies combined for fifteen interceptions. Touchdowns. Touchdowns are more important
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: than anything. Yeah, I don't know. I don't got to
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: score touchdowns. Fifteen interceptions, I don't know. That's seven back
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: and forth touchdowns and then somebody else can score the touchdowns.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Folk attempts fifty five field goals and misses only one.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Or Folk attempts only twenty five but misses eight. So
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: what he's saying, we're kicking a lot of field goal Yeah,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: twenty five because I means they're scoring touchdowns. Yeah, we hope,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: and not even just they can just I'm gonna trap
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: away and say they're scoring touchdown. That's why he didn't
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: attempt any field goals, right, Otherwise I would say, well,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: fifty four field goals, that's a lot. It's a lot
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: of points, all right. That's gonna do it. For this
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