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Mommy: 'I Sold My 6-y-o Boy to Stranger at Market' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Beautiful boy Noel just six
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Speaker 1: years old? Did his mother actually sell him at a market?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Police now on a desperate search for a
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Speaker 1: six year old little boy. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox four. Police and Everman south of Fort
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Speaker 1: Worth issued an Amber alert for a six year old boy.
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Speaker 1: This is Noel Rodriguez Alvarez alongside Cindy Cecilia and Rodriguez Singh,
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Speaker 1: who police are looking for in connection with his abduction.
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Speaker 1: Rodrigue Singh has tattoos across her chest and her last
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Speaker 1: known location was Everman. Now police say she's driving a
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Speaker 1: Grade twenty twelve Lay Silverado, which is also shown on
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Speaker 1: your screen right there, Texas license plate number p l
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Speaker 1: S seven zero nine one. Law enforcement officials believe the
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Speaker 1: six year old boy is in grave or immediate danger
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Speaker 1: and if you have any information regarding his abduction, called
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Speaker 1: the Everman Police Department now Abduction missing. Was he abducted
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Speaker 1: or was he sold? Now? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at k X as a search warrant released this
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Speaker 1: week raises more questions about what happened to a missing
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Speaker 1: six year old Everman boy. The warrant allowed police to
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Speaker 1: search the home where the little boy was living last fall.
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Speaker 1: Noel Rodriguez Alvarez's family officially reported him missing late last month,
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Speaker 1: but the paperwork shows relatives had not seen him in months.
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Speaker 1: It also shows his mother told a family member she
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Speaker 1: sold him to someone at a grocery store. Sold him
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Speaker 1: to someone at the grocery store like a candlot. How
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Speaker 1: does that happen? Shockingly enough, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen. I feel like he's sold her. I
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Speaker 1: think he's sold her because the same week that they're
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Speaker 1: saying this happened the day after Thanksgiving to December six,
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Speaker 1: was the week after my son legally got adopted on
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Speaker 1: the news, you know what I mean. And he knew
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Speaker 1: what my son looked like. He you know, kicked out
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Speaker 1: to my daughter's brother. So he saw that, and I
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Speaker 1: really think that's connected. I think like he got that
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Speaker 1: idea from seeing that and was like, oh, I can
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Speaker 1: do it illegally. You know you are hearing the biological
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Speaker 1: mother of little Harmony Montgomery, the little girl goes missing.
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Speaker 1: We believe sometime before Thanksgiving. Now take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our France a crime online dot com. Did a mother
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Speaker 1: actually sell her child to get money to go on
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Speaker 1: a Disney trip? A new mom is denying that she
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Speaker 1: sold her newborn son so that she could afford to
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Speaker 1: take her other two sons to Disney World. Bridgie Wismer's
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Speaker 1: thirty three, accused of selling her one month old son
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Speaker 1: for fifteen thousand dollars. The first reports about the sale
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Speaker 1: to police came from Wismer's grandmother. Police investigated, but they
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Speaker 1: couldn't substantiate the baby selling accusation. Not long after, police
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Speaker 1: got another tip that led them to John Gavaugh. The
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Speaker 1: fifty four year old and Wisemer were caught on surveillance
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Speaker 1: tape when they met to finalize the deal. Wisemer reportedly
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Speaker 1: didn't want the child to finalize the deal. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like the mom is selling a used car and then
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Speaker 1: the buyer nearly backed out. Selling your child for fifteen
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars to fund a trip to Disney again. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. I've got an all star panel of guests
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Speaker 1: by First, I want to go to Sarah Ford, Legal
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Speaker 1: director or South Carolina Victims Assistants Network. Sarah, have you
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Speaker 1: ever heard in real life of a mother selling or
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Speaker 1: trying to sell her child? You know, Dancy, It's something
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Speaker 1: that we want to think is impossible for us to
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Speaker 1: even consider, but it happened, and it happens more often
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Speaker 1: than we can imagine. Trafficking most often comes from family members,
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Speaker 1: family members selling their own children. You know, it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: horrific to think about it, but it happens to thousands
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Speaker 1: and thousands of children in the United States, and he'd
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Speaker 1: be more worldwide every single day. You know, I was
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Speaker 1: just thinking about the mom that reportedly sells for child
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Speaker 1: to fund a trip to Disney to a middle aged man.
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Speaker 1: What does she think he was going to do with
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Speaker 1: that child? Straight out to my long time on friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague, Daphne Young. Daphne the national Chief Communications Officer
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Speaker 1: at Child Help. If you don't know about child Help,
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Speaker 1: I implore you to go online to childhelp dot Org
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Speaker 1: and find out what they do every single day twenty
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Speaker 1: four seven, three sixty five to help children all around
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Speaker 1: the world. Daphne Young, have you ever heard of a
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Speaker 1: woman selling her child. Not no, have I heard about it.
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Speaker 1: But when you ask what she's thinking, at the very best,
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Speaker 1: she's delusional and thinking, oh, everything's going to be fine.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a good thing all the way to absolutely
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Speaker 1: heartless and cool handing over her child too. As you
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Speaker 1: mention a middle aged man knowing the society that we
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Speaker 1: live in and knowing what could happen to that child,
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Speaker 1: to me, that sounds like an act of sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: It happened regularly throughout our nation, and it's terrifying. And
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Speaker 1: we see how the victims come for advocacy center, children
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Speaker 1: who have been kept in motel rooms, who have been
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Speaker 1: kept of school. Quite the element of sale is you
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Speaker 1: can't just go to a gay care and register child,
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Speaker 1: take that child hospital. So I sold that child into
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Speaker 1: a situation illegally, and that child is marked, and that's
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Speaker 1: very scary. And often what we see is the sale
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Speaker 1: quote unquote is just a cover up for something darker
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Speaker 1: that's happened to that child. To doctor Dana Anderson, joining
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Speaker 1: US forensic psychologist and expert, you can find doctor Dana
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Speaker 1: Anderson at psychology doctor dot com. Doctor Dana, I agree
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Speaker 1: with everything Daphne Young just said, except for one word
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Speaker 1: which has not only a lay or straight meaning in
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Speaker 1: the common vernacular, but also has a legal definition, and
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Speaker 1: that word is delusional. Under the law, if an individual,
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Speaker 1: a defendant, say the mom of Noel, has a delusion,
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Speaker 1: that could be deemed to be insane. But this woman
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Speaker 1: is not insane. As a matter of fact. Let me
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Speaker 1: back this whole thing up. I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: why I do not believe that this woman is insane.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut. Nineteen twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: Cindy obtained passport photographs of all the children living with
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Speaker 1: her except for Noel. On November two, Cindy applied for
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Speaker 1: passports for herself and all six of the children except
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Speaker 1: for Noel. Interviews suggested that Cindy began trying to explain
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Noel in early November through very stories
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Speaker 1: that she told. Cindy had reportedly told stories that Noel
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Speaker 1: was with his biological father in Mexico, or Noel was
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Speaker 1: with his aunt in Mexico, or Noel was sold to
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Speaker 1: another woman and a Fiesta market parking lots. Okay to you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist, have you ever gotten a passport.
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Speaker 1: I have, we have one right now, Okay, So you
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Speaker 1: know how difficult it is to get your passport and
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Speaker 1: to get your appointment for your passport interview, much less
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Speaker 1: to drag your children down to immigration where you get
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Speaker 1: your passport and you go through all the government requirements.
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Speaker 1: Here's a woman that not only sat there and went
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Speaker 1: through interviews for herself, but for five of her other
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Speaker 1: six children, everyone but Noel. Why because he didn't need
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Speaker 1: a passport, Because according to her, she had sold Noel
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Speaker 1: at the market. She knew exactly what she was doing.
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Speaker 1: If she can undergo all the questioning and the red
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Speaker 1: tape and the forms and the pictures and the this
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Speaker 1: and that, and then getting the certified burth or to
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Speaker 1: give it certificates and so forth and so on, to
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Speaker 1: get a passport not only for you, but five children,
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Speaker 1: she has got her head sewn on properly, would you agree? Yes, So,
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Speaker 1: getting back to talking about delusion, this sort of that delusion,
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Speaker 1: think of it on a spectrum. So she has created
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Speaker 1: a false belief, you know, as her form of denial
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Speaker 1: about dealing with the situation with her sons. So I
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Speaker 1: don't think she's like meets diagnostic criteria for maybe having
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Speaker 1: a delusion. But she's just in denial and telling herself,
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Speaker 1: protecting herself from the truth about the horrors of what's
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Speaker 1: happened with her son. Okay, hold on, We'll keep in
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Speaker 1: mind that she said Noel was evil, possessed, how to
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Speaker 1: de inside of him. We have seen that kind of
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Speaker 1: dark language with people that have sort of that split
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Speaker 1: mentality where i can seem very functional in one end,
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Speaker 1: but I'm living in a shack and saying my child
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Speaker 1: is possessed on another end. Is this Daphney speaking? It is?
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Speaker 1: It is? You know what. This woman is not insane.
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Speaker 1: This one is not functioning under a delusion. So I
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Speaker 1: want going along with any discussion that she is insane
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Speaker 1: or functioning under a delusion. She just didn't want this child.
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Speaker 1: Here's more proof of it. Take a listen to Chief C. W.
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Speaker 1: Spencer with the Everman Police in our cut seventeen. As
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Speaker 1: we continue to investigate the disappearance of Noel, one of
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Speaker 1: our top priorities was to determine the accurate timeline. Investigators
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Speaker 1: determined that Noel was last seen by a professional on
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Speaker 1: July twenty first, twenty twenty two. For speech therapy. Several
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Speaker 1: other professional appointments were missed near this timeline and following,
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Speaker 1: which ultimately led to warning letters from the Texas Department
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Speaker 1: of State Health Services in order for Cindy to continue
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Speaker 1: to receive government benefits for Noel. Investigators learned that near
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Speaker 1: this timeline, Cindy even asked an acquaintance of hers if
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Speaker 1: she could borrow her son for a doctor's appointment so
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Speaker 1: that she could keep the benefits, stating that Noel at
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Speaker 1: COVID Crime Stories with Nancy Grace okay. Dorian Bond is
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Speaker 1: joining a private detective owner of Bond Investigations, Inc. They're
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Speaker 1: in Texas. He specifically is in Dallas. Dorian, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for being with us and guys. You can
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Speaker 1: find Dorian Bond at Bond Investigations dot com. Dorian. Any
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Speaker 1: suggestion that this mother, if she even deserves to be
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Speaker 1: called that, and I submit she does not has any
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Speaker 1: type of delusion or break with reality. O h E
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Speaker 1: double L n O. She goes and ask a neighbor
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Speaker 1: to borrow her son to fill in for Noel so
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Speaker 1: she can't keep getting Noel's disability benefits. She knows darn
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Speaker 1: well what she's doing You're exactly right. He knows what
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Speaker 1: she was doing. And I hope that she asked report
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Speaker 1: time right away so the police could have got involved
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Speaker 1: prior to this, because that's a telltale sign that something's
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Speaker 1: going on with those kids. And if some kind of
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Speaker 1: intervention would have taken place and saw where the kids
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Speaker 1: were living, how they were living, maybe could have stopped.
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Speaker 1: But you touched on it earlier for her to go
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Speaker 1: through passport process with all those kids down at the
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Speaker 1: passport office and then not get one for the for
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Speaker 1: the missing child as a red flag, and well, my
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Speaker 1: first part of the investigation is I'm going to find
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Speaker 1: the plane that she got on going to Turkey and
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Speaker 1: then not into India and talk to some of those
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Speaker 1: people on the plane to see how she was interacting
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Speaker 1: with those kids and what they were talking about those plays.
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Speaker 1: David Sentendry is with US reporter Fox four in Dallas. David,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to follow
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Speaker 1: up on what Dorian Bond correctly brought up at the
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Speaker 1: time when this mother and that were just sticks in
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Speaker 1: my throat because she doesn't deserve that title. Asked the
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Speaker 1: neighbor for her son to stand in for Noel to
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Speaker 1: get his benefits. One did the neighbor report that, because
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Speaker 1: I sure as heat would? And number two, what was
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Speaker 1: Little Noel's disability? So it's unclear if the neighbor reported
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Speaker 1: that at the time or a fact came out later
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Speaker 1: during the police investigation. But you did mention that his
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Speaker 1: disabilities and talk about his disabilities, and there were several
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Speaker 1: of them. I know that he was on breathing treatments.
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Speaker 1: Police have basically referred to him as special needs. They
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Speaker 1: have given that as a broad conversation topic. By breathing
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Speaker 1: issues is something that he was having to be treated
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Speaker 1: for quite regularly. He had a number of other ones.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I knew he had a nebulizer, but a
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Speaker 1: lot of children have nebulizers. I wouldn't think that would
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Speaker 1: qualify as a disability unless the breathing problem was much
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Speaker 1: more than requiring a nebulizer. That's just a you breathe
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Speaker 1: in medicine is what a nebulizer is. It must have
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Speaker 1: gone further than that. Hey, what about the atrophia? What
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about Little Noel's eyes? So he
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Speaker 1: had esotropia in both eyes. I'm looking at them. Those
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Speaker 1: sard here chronic lung disease, which we had mentioned he
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Speaker 1: was receiving breathing treatments for. He had speech delay and
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Speaker 1: several other diagnosed illnesses. According to police records, they say
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Speaker 1: that he definitely needed medical care and actually at one
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Speaker 1: point Cindy, his mother, was supposed to bring him to
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Speaker 1: the Department of Health back in October of twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: but she never showed up for that appointment. So she
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Speaker 1: starts missing appointments after she, according to her, sells him
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Speaker 1: at the Fiesta Market. David Sidentry, Fox four News. Did
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Speaker 1: any of the other children have disabilities or just Noel? Now, well,
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Speaker 1: it's the only one that we know of that it's
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Speaker 1: had a disability. Police have not really given any sort
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Speaker 1: of specific information on the other children. We know that
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Speaker 1: the two newest children twins that were recently born to
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Speaker 1: Cindy his mother and our Steep, his stepfather. Those were
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Speaker 1: the most recent children that were born, and we know
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Speaker 1: those twins were somewhat of a cause of concern with
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Speaker 1: Noel's presence according to that mother because when we talked
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Speaker 1: about her believing that he was possessed by a demon,
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Speaker 1: her main fear because of that, you know, quote demon
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Speaker 1: possession was that he could end up hurting those newborn
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Speaker 1: twins that she had, all right, so she reportedly sold
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Speaker 1: him to protect her kneeborn twins. That is total BS.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is Mike Hadsell, President and founder
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Speaker 1: of Peace River Canine Search and Rescue and you can
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Speaker 1: find them at p s a R. Peace River Search
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Speaker 1: and Rescue dot org. Mike, have you noticed, as have I,
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Speaker 1: that's so often the parents will lavish love on some
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Speaker 1: of the children, but the child that is disabled or
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Speaker 1: has some sort of a learning problem or any sort
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Speaker 1: of disability, they're the bad child. They get mistreated, they
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Speaker 1: get labeled as in here, oh he's got a demon
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Speaker 1: inside of him. It's because the mom doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: take care of him, that's what it is. Or the dad. Well,
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Speaker 1: they had a lot of kids there. He was among
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Speaker 1: a large group of is and of course he would
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Speaker 1: be the one that require the most attention and create
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Speaker 1: the more stress in the family, and he's going to
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Speaker 1: be segregated. That happens quite a bit, and unfortunately, we
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Speaker 1: see a lot of these type of kids go missing.
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Speaker 1: And you've certainly seeing your share of looking for children
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Speaker 1: that have been isolated within a family and then somehow
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Speaker 1: go missing. Daphne Young with me, National Chief Communication Officers
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Speaker 1: at the Incredible Childhelp dot Org. Daphne, haven't you seen that?
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Speaker 1: Because I sure have. One child is identified as the
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Speaker 1: one that will be starved, beaten, tormented, and so often
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Speaker 1: it's the child that has some sort It can have
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Speaker 1: a mild learning disability. In this case, the child has
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Speaker 1: breathing problems and his eyes kind of fold inward but
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Speaker 1: he can see. But he's different, he has a problem,
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Speaker 1: So he's the target. He's the one that gets carted
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Speaker 1: down to the fiesta market and sold. According to mommy,
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Speaker 1: it breaks my heart. I call it the Cinderella syndrome,
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Speaker 1: where one child is isolate to be picked on. We
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Speaker 1: know that thirty one percent of children with disabilities from
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Speaker 1: lower income settings have been abused. And you know, the
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Speaker 1: heartbreaking piece of all of this is the word mommy
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Speaker 1: or mother sticks in your throat when you try to
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Speaker 1: say it related to the biological parent who's done no parenting.
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Speaker 1: But what broke my heart is his foster mom said.
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Speaker 1: The little boy called her mommy. There was a quick bonding.
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Speaker 1: He played with his foster siblings like a spider man. Glasses,
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Speaker 1: his yellow dump truck. He a happy, healthy little boy
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Speaker 1: and a safe, secure family, and the foster mother we
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Speaker 1: would have taken him. So that breaks my heart because
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Speaker 1: there was a mommy out there for this little boy.
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Speaker 1: It certainly wasn't in that shed. It certainly wasn't the
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Speaker 1: bio mom. You know, I told you earlier about a
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Speaker 1: mom that sold her a child for fifteen grand to
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Speaker 1: fund a chip to Disney for herself. By the way,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to hear this, a mom that
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Speaker 1: sells her child to fund her nose job. Take a listener.
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Speaker 1: Cut thirty three, a newborn baby boy reportedly sold by
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Speaker 1: his mother to pay for a nose job. The thirty
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Speaker 1: three year old woman told a friend she did not
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Speaker 1: want to keep the five day old baby, and arrangements
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Speaker 1: were made to sell the boy to a couple for
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Speaker 1: it's just over twenty five hundred dollars. The couple paid
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Speaker 1: the mom a ten percent deposit at two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars. Leader the boy needed medical attention, for which
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Speaker 1: his birth certificate was needed. When the couple went back
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Speaker 1: to the woman, she would only turn over the document
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Speaker 1: for another twelve hundred dollars. The woman told the family
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Speaker 1: that she did not have a job or a place
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Speaker 1: to live, but when she got the extra money, the
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Speaker 1: woman said she intended to use it for a nose job. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: forget food and a place to live. I'd get for
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Speaker 1: that nose job in a heartbat At least that's her thinking.
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Speaker 1: You think that's outlandish. Okay, I've got another one for you.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Our Friends at forty tw nine
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Speaker 1: TV and Our Cut twenty eight. Police say Misty van
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Speaker 1: Horn was trying to get money to bail her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: out of the Sequoya County jail. Police say the woman
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Speaker 1: was trying to sell an acquaintance her two year old
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Speaker 1: child for a thousand dollars or four thousand dollars for
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Speaker 1: both her two year old and her ten month old
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Speaker 1: baby right now. Van Horn faces charges of trafficking minor children.
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Speaker 1: Well she did. She sold a child to raise money
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Speaker 1: to bond her no good boyfriend out of jail. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've got one more for you. I just want you
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Speaker 1: to let it all soak in. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Our Cut twenty nine, Our Friends at fourteen YEWS. Mother
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Speaker 1: in custody accused of trying to sell her child. Thirty
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Speaker 1: four year old Crystal Smiley's facing a couple of charges,
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Speaker 1: including promoting human trafficking. Crystal Smiley was arrested Tuesday after
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Speaker 1: a month long investigation. Sailor purchased of a child for
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Speaker 1: adoption and promoting human trafficking. Those are the charges Crystal
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Speaker 1: Smiley is facing after she was arrested. Kentucky State Police
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Speaker 1: say the investigation started last month when Social services notified
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Speaker 1: them that Smiley was trying to sell her child to
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Speaker 1: a family member. According to Smiley's indictment, she attempted to
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Speaker 1: convince her sister, Melissa Goodman, to provide her with cash
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Speaker 1: or a camper in exchange for terminating her rights to
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Speaker 1: minor a child. Sell her child for cash or a camper.
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Speaker 1: You know, Sarah Ford, Legal director, South Carolina Victim's Assistants Network,
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Speaker 1: And all the years I prosecuted and all the years
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Speaker 1: I've covered cases, it's always children, the most vulnerable people
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Speaker 1: in our society that are abused and mistreated the most.
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Speaker 1: And then following that, women the most abused and mistreated
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Speaker 1: people in our society. And it really takes the cake
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Speaker 1: when you have a woman abusing or mistreating a child
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Speaker 1: and this child, her own child that she just casually
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Speaker 1: tosses out there, she's sold at the Fiestam market. It's
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Speaker 1: so unimaginable for most of us to even consider this.
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Speaker 1: But you know, for for this woman to talk about
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Speaker 1: this to other people, to say that she was going
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Speaker 1: to see or that she sold her child. You the
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Speaker 1: one thing that we keep killing this to people. Shee's
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Speaker 1: giving information. And my question is when people are hearing this, neighbors,
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Speaker 1: people you know, at the market, friends, family, whoever. She's
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Speaker 1: saying all of this stuff too, what are they doing
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Speaker 1: with that information? Because you're right, these are the most vulnerable,
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Speaker 1: you know, a child with special needs. And you know,
22:33
Speaker 1: if we're not talking about it, if we hear something
22:35
Speaker 1: from someone that says that they've sold their child, by God,
22:38
Speaker 1: the first thing they need to do is call law enforcement.
22:41
Speaker 1: And it has got to make sure that that we're
22:43
Speaker 1: not keeping these things quiet. These are things that can
22:46
Speaker 1: save children's lives. Back to Mike Hansell, President founder piece
22:50
Speaker 1: River K nine Search and Rescue, you have looked for
22:54
Speaker 1: a lot of children, and I find it hard to believe, No,
22:59
Speaker 1: I believe it. I find it hard to accept that
23:02
Speaker 1: neighbors and family members. They know the child hasn't been seen,
23:08
Speaker 1: the school knows the child hasn't shown up, but nobody
23:11
Speaker 1: does anything. Nobody says a word. Have you noticed that
23:15
Speaker 1: when you're searching for children, then when you go ask
23:18
Speaker 1: a neighbor, you know, knock on the door, they go, yeah,
23:21
Speaker 1: you know, I noticed I haven't seen them out in
23:22
Speaker 1: the front yard like six months. Well why didn't they
23:25
Speaker 1: call somebody? Why didn't relatives report it? Have you noticed
23:29
Speaker 1: that it happens all the time. People have a reluctance
23:33
Speaker 1: to get involved because they don't want to get entangled
23:35
Speaker 1: with the law enforcement and those other issues. There are
23:40
Speaker 1: a lot of good people who do report things when
23:42
Speaker 1: they do see it, but the majority of them don't,
23:45
Speaker 1: so not least until we knock on the door and
23:47
Speaker 1: ask for their information. What about it? Dorian Bond, private detective,
23:51
Speaker 1: owner of Bond Investigations in Texas where the security's joining
23:56
Speaker 1: us from Dallas. Have you ever noticed that relatives will go, yeah,
23:59
Speaker 1: I noticed that Cindy wasn't there at Christmas, but I
24:03
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. Really, why didn't you because
24:06
Speaker 1: she's been there the five Christmases before? But then suddenly
24:10
Speaker 1: she's missing, and the family never does anything about it.
24:14
Speaker 1: The relatives say nothing, the neighbors say nothing. Nobody does anything. Yeah,
24:18
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he said. They don't want to deal
24:20
Speaker 1: with law enforcements. So asking questions is probably the best
24:23
Speaker 1: thing that can prevent situations like this, is asking questions
24:26
Speaker 1: and then talking to family members. And then if you
24:29
Speaker 1: need to talk to law enforcement, you don't have to
24:30
Speaker 1: have them called out to the house. You can go
24:32
Speaker 1: to the police department and make an enouncement, anonymous tip
24:36
Speaker 1: and alert them that something's Often something might be going wrong,
24:39
Speaker 1: and you can kind of stay out of it. But
24:42
Speaker 1: nobody did this on this answer to no body did
24:46
Speaker 1: a darned thing. Back to David's Sintendery investigative reporter Fox
24:51
Speaker 1: for News in Dallas, David, it would have been easy
24:58
Speaker 1: enough to check a market and the grocery store and
25:02
Speaker 1: the Fiesta market to see if there was any such
25:07
Speaker 1: transaction that took place. And as a matter of fact, Ellie,
25:10
Speaker 1: law enforcement did that, didn't they And what did they discover?
25:14
Speaker 1: So they do not believe there is any truth whatsoever
25:18
Speaker 1: that Cindy sold Noel at a Fiesta market. They do
25:22
Speaker 1: not believe there's any truth that she sold the child
25:25
Speaker 1: at all. She has given several conflicting stories, according to
25:29
Speaker 1: police records, that being one of them. Another one is
25:32
Speaker 1: that she said she turned Noel over to his biological father.
25:37
Speaker 1: That was what she initially told CPS when there was
25:40
Speaker 1: a report made about Noel's being missing, and then CPS
25:43
Speaker 1: investigators they made contact with Noel's biological father. He lives
25:48
Speaker 1: in Mexico, and when they got a hold of him,
25:52
Speaker 1: not only did he say, I do not have this child,
25:54
Speaker 1: he said, listen, I have never met Noel. I was
25:58
Speaker 1: deported from the United States before he was born. And again,
26:01
Speaker 1: Noel is six years old, so he's been all the
26:03
Speaker 1: country for quite some time. He says he's never even
26:06
Speaker 1: met the child, hadn't had any contact, would simulate. Okay,
26:09
Speaker 1: that's a big problem when mommy starts changing his story.
26:15
Speaker 1: It's bad enough that she says she sells the child
26:18
Speaker 1: at the market, but then when you find out, as
26:22
Speaker 1: David Sintendri is telling us, she's given conflicting stories, that
26:27
Speaker 1: makes me worry even more. I want you to take
26:30
Speaker 1: a listen now to our friends at Fox four an
26:33
Speaker 1: hour cut nine. According to police, Noel's mother previously told
26:37
Speaker 1: some family members that she thought the child was possessed
26:40
Speaker 1: by a demon. Some family members recently reported to police
26:44
Speaker 1: that the mother had abused Noell before she took off. Now,
26:48
Speaker 1: investigators say they have at least some insight into possible
26:52
Speaker 1: remains being discovered. Everman police investigators have been digging searching
26:57
Speaker 1: for possible remains of six year old Noel Rodriguez Alvarez
27:01
Speaker 1: behind the home of Charles Parson, where the child lived
27:04
Speaker 1: with his family, kissed Up and Louth. Noel's mother, Cindy
27:08
Speaker 1: Rodriguez Singh, and her new husband, are Shdeep Singh, fled
27:12
Speaker 1: the country to India last month with six of Noel's
27:15
Speaker 1: siblings after Noel was reported missing. So not only do
27:20
Speaker 1: police David Sedentry rule out Mommy's theory, her story that
27:27
Speaker 1: Noel was with the biodad in Mexico, they track him
27:32
Speaker 1: down and find out he's never even met his son.
27:36
Speaker 1: They also say that they rule out Mommy's story that
27:40
Speaker 1: she sold Noel. How did they rule that story out?
27:44
Speaker 1: So they didn't get into specifics, but you have to
27:47
Speaker 1: imagine surveillance footage, timeline. I know they've had search warrants
27:52
Speaker 1: regarding cell phone data, text messages, phone conversations, etc. It
27:57
Speaker 1: doesn't appear that they were able to place her at
28:00
Speaker 1: that's Fista Market with geo tracking data which we oftentimes
28:05
Speaker 1: see youthed in law enforcement, and they have one ruled
28:10
Speaker 1: that out. It's my understanding that at the Fiesta Market
28:14
Speaker 1: there are surveillance cams and that she was never pictured
28:20
Speaker 1: on any of the surveillance, the grainy surveillance footage much
28:23
Speaker 1: less with six year old Noel. And also David Sentry
28:28
Speaker 1: David Sedentry joining us from Fox four News, there was
28:32
Speaker 1: nothing in her texts or emails that would indicate she
28:37
Speaker 1: had had any conversation via text or email with anyone
28:42
Speaker 1: who was willing to buy Noel. That's my understanding of
28:46
Speaker 1: the evidence as it exists right now. Correct. And on
28:49
Speaker 1: top of that, this was a theory that was passed
28:51
Speaker 1: along to some of her family members who related to
28:54
Speaker 1: law enforcement. But family members tell police that when they
28:58
Speaker 1: pressed her about this theory that she sold Noel to
29:01
Speaker 1: a woman at a Fiesta Market, she couldn't even name
29:05
Speaker 1: who the woman was. She couldn't tell family members anything
29:08
Speaker 1: about her. All she said was that she sold the
29:10
Speaker 1: child to a lady, and that lady threatened to report
29:13
Speaker 1: her to CPS if she ever attempted to get Noel back.
29:16
Speaker 1: So that was her excuse for Well, I can't contact
29:19
Speaker 1: her and follow up on Noel because she said she
29:21
Speaker 1: would threaten to report me if I did so. It
29:24
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. The investigation takes an even darker turn.
29:29
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friends at
29:32
Speaker 1: foxfor police now say Noel's stepfather disposed a large indoor
29:37
Speaker 1: outdoor carpet in a nearby dumpster the evening before they fled.
29:42
Speaker 1: Investigators recovered that carpet. Police say that carpet was used
29:46
Speaker 1: inside the makeshift shed that was later torn down to
29:49
Speaker 1: build a suspicious concrete patio Monday. After removing the patio,
29:54
Speaker 1: canines were alerted to the top soil, but no remains
29:57
Speaker 1: were found. It does lead us to believe that where
30:00
Speaker 1: human remains at one point time in the shed that
30:02
Speaker 1: used to exist were now that concrete patio. Since time
30:20
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace back to David Sedentry joining us
30:26
Speaker 1: out of Dallas, what can you tell me about that
30:30
Speaker 1: cement slab? Yeah, And so I'll make this clear because
30:34
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be a bit confusing Noel,
30:37
Speaker 1: his mother, his stepfather, and six other children. They were
30:40
Speaker 1: living on the back property of a gentleman's home, a
30:44
Speaker 1: genterman named Charles Parson. There was a different shed right
30:48
Speaker 1: behind the home, a smaller makeshift shed, but that is
30:51
Speaker 1: no longer there. For some reason a while back ago,
30:54
Speaker 1: that shed was torn down and Cindy herself his mother,
30:58
Speaker 1: paid to have a concrete a concrete area poured in
31:04
Speaker 1: where that shed had been sitting. Police initially thought that
31:07
Speaker 1: was suspicious. Why would this mother pay to have this
31:10
Speaker 1: back concrete poured out here? So they dug it up.
31:14
Speaker 1: They didn't find anything, but then recently they get a
31:17
Speaker 1: tick from someone who says, hey, not too long ago,
31:20
Speaker 1: I saw our steps thing Noel's stepfather disposing of a rug.
31:25
Speaker 1: He gave police that location. Police recovered the rug, and
31:28
Speaker 1: as we were just hearing a second ago, canine dogs,
31:31
Speaker 1: who are used to detect possible human renewing remains, were
31:35
Speaker 1: alerted to that carpet. And what police ended up doing
31:39
Speaker 1: after getting the alert to that carpet is they went
31:42
Speaker 1: They assumed that it was part of that shed that
31:44
Speaker 1: had been torn down, So they went back to that
31:47
Speaker 1: area and they had the canine sniffing again. Canines actually
31:51
Speaker 1: this time started to detect human remains in the soil
31:56
Speaker 1: for that shed had been sitting. But when they dug
31:58
Speaker 1: everything up, they did not find any human remains. So,
32:02
Speaker 1: in a nutshell, police believe that rug that had been
32:06
Speaker 1: hovering over that soil just elevated slightly above the ground
32:09
Speaker 1: in that shed is where remains had been for a while.
32:12
Speaker 1: And they believe the dogs since were just strong enough
32:14
Speaker 1: where they were still picking up on the soil because
32:17
Speaker 1: the remains had been slightly elevated above it on the
32:20
Speaker 1: ground of that shed for quite some time. So let
32:22
Speaker 1: me understand. Did the pouring of the cement for the
32:25
Speaker 1: slab was that to cover up eating afarious activity? In
32:29
Speaker 1: your mind? I can tell you what police are saying,
32:32
Speaker 1: because the chief of police says it is just very
32:35
Speaker 1: suspicious that she would have that slab there. But they
32:38
Speaker 1: have dug it up twice and they have not found
32:41
Speaker 1: any sort of human remains, so they are lect very puzzled. Okay,
32:47
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Mike Hassell, president, founder
32:51
Speaker 1: Piece River Canine Search and Rescue. I'm going to just
32:54
Speaker 1: throw out two names for everyone to think about. One
32:57
Speaker 1: is Chase Masner, a case I personally investigated and covered
33:04
Speaker 1: of a young vet who went missing his wife and
33:09
Speaker 1: little girls who are left to believe he just abandoned them.
33:13
Speaker 1: And fast forward, we begin investigating it here at crime
33:18
Speaker 1: stories in crime online dot Com. Bring out canines and
33:23
Speaker 1: lo and behold they hit in the back yard off
33:26
Speaker 1: his so called best friend who had coincidentally installed a
33:34
Speaker 1: patio and a deck, and that's where the remains were
33:38
Speaker 1: after months and months and months and months. I'd like
33:42
Speaker 1: to also remind everyone of the case of Kristen Smart.
33:46
Speaker 1: Her killer and his father just recently convicted, brought attention
33:51
Speaker 1: to themselves by constructing a new deck as well, and
33:57
Speaker 1: to this day, authorities believe that that is where Kristen's
34:01
Speaker 1: body was held, was buried for at least some period
34:06
Speaker 1: of time before it was moved. So to you, Mike Hatsell,
34:11
Speaker 1: what do you make of mommy having cement pored? It's
34:14
Speaker 1: incredibly strange you're talking about cases. One of the first
34:17
Speaker 1: cases I ever worked when I moved to Florida was
34:19
Speaker 1: a young boy who was missing was found under a
34:22
Speaker 1: concrete slab that had been recently pored. We had another
34:26
Speaker 1: victim up in the Pasco area that was the same thing.
34:28
Speaker 1: He was murdered and put under a concrete slab, So
34:31
Speaker 1: one of the mysterious new concrete slab shows up. That's
34:34
Speaker 1: usually one of the first places that we want to
34:36
Speaker 1: look and let the dogs run because if the body
34:39
Speaker 1: is under the concrete slab, the odor will come up
34:42
Speaker 1: around the edges of the slab and the dogs will
34:44
Speaker 1: pick it up there and indicate. Is that your experience
34:47
Speaker 1: very much? Yes, I've had several of these, so it
34:52
Speaker 1: is suspicious. Okay, what about it? Dorian Bond. Yeah, concrete
34:55
Speaker 1: is one of the big things, and these could hype
34:57
Speaker 1: of cases when concrete is poored. People think once you
35:00
Speaker 1: pour the concrete can never be jackhammered up, and that's
35:03
Speaker 1: completely faust. We've seen it in many cases, you know.
35:08
Speaker 1: When you see that they said, I saw the reasoning
35:10
Speaker 1: that the owner of the property said that they wanted
35:13
Speaker 1: a area for their kids to play, but they also
35:16
Speaker 1: wanted a living area that's going to be on a
35:18
Speaker 1: porch for family members. That's a red flag right there,
35:21
Speaker 1: and what we talked about before that they need to
35:23
Speaker 1: contact the police because their one concrete board to live
35:26
Speaker 1: on a patio for family that's a red flag right there,
35:29
Speaker 1: a huge red flag. But understand this, the dogs did
35:34
Speaker 1: not fail. Take a listen to our cut ten. Investigators
35:37
Speaker 1: believe Noel is dead now. Canines that detect human remains
35:41
Speaker 1: were alerted to some of this dirt, but no remains
35:44
Speaker 1: were found. And we've got no reason to doubt these
35:47
Speaker 1: dogs and what they do. Six year old Noel Rodriguez
35:50
Speaker 1: Alvarez lived in this shed with eight other family members,
35:53
Speaker 1: and right here where investigators have been digging is where
35:56
Speaker 1: a makeshift shed used to be. Now. Police believed that
36:00
Speaker 1: at some point in time, the possible remains of the
36:02
Speaker 1: child were in the makeshift shed. I couldn't stand here
36:06
Speaker 1: and tell you today if they were Noel's remains or now,
36:08
Speaker 1: we don't know. And more from our friends Steve Eager
36:12
Speaker 1: at Fox four in our cut eight. After an exhaustive
36:15
Speaker 1: search of the property yesterday and into the nighttime hours,
36:18
Speaker 1: police did not find the remains of six year old
36:21
Speaker 1: Noel Rodriguez Alvarez, but evidence suggested he may have been
36:25
Speaker 1: there after he died. They had zeroed in on a
36:28
Speaker 1: concrete patio that was suspiciously poured just before his family
36:32
Speaker 1: fled the country. They're also focusing on items that were
36:35
Speaker 1: removed from the property. Back to David Sedentary, investigative report
36:40
Speaker 1: at Fox News on the case from the get go,
36:42
Speaker 1: David sidentry, do you know what items were taken? There
36:46
Speaker 1: was a lot of documents from the shed that was taken,
36:49
Speaker 1: documents and just different personal belongings. I haven't heard of
36:53
Speaker 1: one specific quote unquote smoking gun that oh we were
36:57
Speaker 1: able to recover this. I know they were obviously taken
37:00
Speaker 1: some of that dirt to analyze further. They were taking
37:02
Speaker 1: some of those concrete slabs and just different possessions from
37:06
Speaker 1: the shed in the back, but they haven't given us
37:10
Speaker 1: a specific list of what's been confiscated. David sent injury,
37:16
Speaker 1: did you tell us where is mommy and where are
37:19
Speaker 1: the other children? Now? Yeah? So there was an Amber
37:23
Speaker 1: alert initially issued for Noel last month, and as CPS
37:28
Speaker 1: and police began involved, began getting involved, Noel's mother, stepfather,
37:34
Speaker 1: and six of his siblings hopped on a flight to Turkey.
37:39
Speaker 1: From Turkey, they flew over to India, which is the
37:42
Speaker 1: home country of our steep Singh, Noel's stepfather. That's all
37:47
Speaker 1: we know at this point in time. Police state they
37:49
Speaker 1: are in India, but they do not have a specific location.
37:52
Speaker 1: But they do say that Noel's stepfather has most of
37:56
Speaker 1: his family over there. They actually said he didn't have
37:58
Speaker 1: a whole lot of family here in the States, that
38:00
Speaker 1: most of them were still in India. To Sarah Ford,
38:03
Speaker 1: legal director of South Carolina Victim Assistance Network, could you,
38:06
Speaker 1: in a nutshell explain the legal theory of flight as
38:10
Speaker 1: it relates to evidence? Well, Uh, it's pretty simple, and
38:14
Speaker 1: that a person who flees that can be evidence of guilt.
38:18
Speaker 1: You know, if you have nothing to hide, nothing to
38:21
Speaker 1: to you know, avoid Uh, you know, why would someone flee?
38:25
Speaker 1: And that's something that you can use that, you know,
38:27
Speaker 1: hopefully if they are ever recovered and brought back to
38:30
Speaker 1: Texas to the United States. Uh, and they're tribe, Um,
38:33
Speaker 1: you know, they can use that to say, you know,
38:36
Speaker 1: you fled, you did not assist in in the investigation,
38:40
Speaker 1: you and your you know, five children because you fled
38:43
Speaker 1: to another country. Um. And it's it's something that that
38:48
Speaker 1: I've used personally as a prosecutor. You know. It's when
38:51
Speaker 1: someone leads the area does not cooperate. What does that
38:55
Speaker 1: say that that that they have a guilty content? A
38:59
Speaker 1: good example pole that everyone can relate to Scott Peterson
39:04
Speaker 1: who died. Is here blonde got about ten fifteen thousand
39:09
Speaker 1: dollars cash, a bucket of viagra and camping equipment and
39:13
Speaker 1: took off. That's a good example. So here is mommy
39:18
Speaker 1: all the way in India snugged up with her new husband.
39:22
Speaker 1: How many husband says she had? How many bio dads,
39:25
Speaker 1: Davids Andendry. Police have not said how many fathers, but
39:28
Speaker 1: they sev said that there are several fathers in total
39:31
Speaker 1: ten children. We don't know how many fathers. Okay, So
39:35
Speaker 1: the newest stepfather she snugged up with his family in India,
39:41
Speaker 1: So what does that tell you? She's not worried about
39:44
Speaker 1: finding Noel. If you know or think you know anything
39:50
Speaker 1: about the disappearance of this little boy, please dial eight
39:54
Speaker 1: one seven two nine three two nine two three repeat
39:59
Speaker 1: eight one seven two nine three two nine two three,
40:04
Speaker 1: or you can always call our friends at child Help
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Speaker 1: two two four four five three. Goodbye friend,