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Is the Tigers' trade-deadline direction coming into focus? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, the Troy Tiger's Podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always a man who puts the
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  Speaker 1: vet in corvette.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen, and how are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: All right? It was always more of a Mustang guy,
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  Speaker 3: but that's all right too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to get into those wars here. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so we're recording this early Sunday evening. Obviously, the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: end up with a split against the Kansas City Royals
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  Speaker 1: after a couple disappointing one run losses late leads given
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  Speaker 1: up by the bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, felt a little repetitive there on Saturday and Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll break it all down, and I guess the
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  Speaker 1: place to start, in my opinion, Cody is just like,
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  Speaker 1: how what's the vibe right now? Because this this had
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  Speaker 1: to feel like I mean, it was like an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of ways they still did like kind
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  Speaker 1: of gain some ground, get a little bit of momentum,
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  Speaker 1: but this was an opportunity to really kind of accelerate forward.
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  Speaker 1: And I think when you split against Kansas City and
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  Speaker 1: especially when you give up leads late and back to
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  Speaker 1: back games, it's hard for me to say that this
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  Speaker 1: was an acceleration forward, even if like it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, those numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Say that you're three and a half back or whatever
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  Speaker 1: in the wildcard and like everything's still kind of in
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  Speaker 1: front of you, but it doesn't feel as close as
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  Speaker 1: it really potentially should have been.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tigers are fortunate they actually didn't lose ground
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  Speaker 3: in the wild card standings this weekend, but disappointing is
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  Speaker 3: certainly the word that comes to mind. You're playing a
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  Speaker 3: Royals team without Bobby, with a team that's just pretty
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  Speaker 3: depleted right now, and you had the lead in both
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  Speaker 3: games and you coughed the lead away. You didn't really
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  Speaker 3: hit all that well Saturday or Sunday. You have four
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  Speaker 3: runs to show for it. Sunday thinks in large parts
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  Speaker 3: of some help from the Royals in the field. So
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  Speaker 3: it feels like an opportunity missed when you're in this
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  Speaker 3: juncture and every game matters and all these things we've
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  Speaker 3: been saying for a long time now, like this feels
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  Speaker 3: like a series you certainly would like to win. You're
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  Speaker 3: splitting with the Royals and you kind of come away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't lose ground in the wild card, but you
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  Speaker 3: didn't gain ground either. And there are only what seven
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  Speaker 3: games left until the trade deadline? Six? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I keeps losing count myself. I think we're nearing some clarity.
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  Speaker 3: Unless you win all those games or lose all those games,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think a lot is going to change. So
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  Speaker 3: I think maybe we should kind of drop consider dropping
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  Speaker 3: the narrative of like, well, what the front office does
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  Speaker 3: will be dictated by these next few games. If you
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  Speaker 3: really step back and think about it, I think the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers operate like in a way that's disciplined and for
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  Speaker 3: better or worse, like far too complex of a way
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  Speaker 3: to let their whole future be determined by whether they're
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  Speaker 3: four games back or two games back, you know, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I think things are becoming pretty solid in that this
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  Speaker 3: is kind of where you're at. You're likely to enter
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  Speaker 3: the deadline playing pretty well, having some some momentum, but
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  Speaker 3: slightly on the outside looking at And so what does
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  Speaker 3: that mean? Hard to say. We see the reports, we
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  Speaker 3: know what's out there. It certainly seems like the team
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  Speaker 3: has some interest in the thread, the needle idea and
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  Speaker 3: given where they're at. As much as personally I don't
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  Speaker 3: love that approach, it kind of does make some sense,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not a lot of tangible information. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: heard a lot, but you're starting to hear a little
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  Speaker 3: more chatters, a little more whispers and and I We'll
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  Speaker 3: see what happens in the next handful of days. But
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if that's all kind of starting to be
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  Speaker 3: the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: And like, one of the things that we used to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot on this podcast was the whole like
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  Speaker 1: aren't the Tigers good thing? You know, and and and
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  Speaker 1: and this really this season is probably a perfect one
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  Speaker 1: to kind of bring it back.
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  Speaker 3: And I.
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  Speaker 1: You know, because I said after Friday's game, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: good team, you know, like and and I got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of I got a lot of pushback on that,
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  Speaker 1: and and look, that's fine. I understand like having watched
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  Speaker 1: this season, uh, you know, people feeling any type of
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  Speaker 1: way about this team.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, but I still maintain good team. Good enough. It does.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to be like in the prisoner
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  Speaker 1: of the moment right now, but it's hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to be like I don't know, probably not good enough
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  Speaker 1: to get all the way there when you are putting
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  Speaker 1: out there Kyle Finn again and Drew Summers and they're
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  Speaker 1: blowing leads and and you know, and funny enough, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about is that's the kind of the core? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the cores was played out again and uh and the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers were not able to to hold leads.
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  Speaker 2: H Kyle Finnegan five point four oh e ra.
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  Speaker 1: In July, Cody we talked about he felt like a
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  Speaker 1: a regression candidate and uh, like what was like the
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  Speaker 1: worst looking two point something e ra in baseball And
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  Speaker 1: and we're and we're kind of getting yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: and then Somers he's gotten some high leverage like opportunities
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  Speaker 1: of late like and this is AJ saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: take here, you know, take it, and sorry for me
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  Speaker 1: to say that he has passed that test as well. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point you kind of look around, like
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  Speaker 1: if you're a j if you're Scott or you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a player on the team, and you kind
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  Speaker 1: of think like this does this weekend did kind of
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  Speaker 1: feel like it is what it is weekend? And maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's maybe maybe that's the new line Cody. That is
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  Speaker 1: what it is, Tigs. It's not that sexy, but it
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  Speaker 1: kind of feels appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say j been saying that Tigers are a good
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  Speaker 3: team with a bad record. I think they're a good
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  Speaker 3: team with a bad record and a bad back end
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  Speaker 3: of the bullpen. The stat on our screen sums it up. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty striking. Twenty three blown saves, twenty one saves.
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  Speaker 3: You have blown more saves than you have saved games
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  Speaker 3: this year. That is not a good recipe to contend
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  Speaker 3: whether before the playoffs. Are certainly not to win and
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  Speaker 3: make a run deep in the postseason. Yeah, the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: are ninth overall in bullpen era, but twenty ninth in
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  Speaker 3: win probability, added twenty ninth in their performance and leverage situations.
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  Speaker 3: You just like it's repeating the same thing at this point,
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  Speaker 3: but you just do not have a great ability to
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  Speaker 3: navigate the back into games. Aj Hinch does not have
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  Speaker 3: good enough options. And maybe again that's why the thread
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  Speaker 3: the needle thing could make sense. There's a world where
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  Speaker 3: you trade Scooble because it just is the right thing
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  Speaker 3: to do for your future if you get fair offers.
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  Speaker 3: But you could still add some bullpen helps still maybe
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  Speaker 3: keep the core of this thing together and hope you
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  Speaker 3: can get in the playoffs and see what happens and
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  Speaker 3: then set yourself up well for next year. Again, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if that's what I would do if it
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  Speaker 3: were me, but that approach does make some sense. If
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  Speaker 3: you're going to not wave the white flag on this season,
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  Speaker 3: I think you got to get some bullpen help. We'll
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  Speaker 3: see what that maybe ends up looking like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I tend not to get into
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  Speaker 1: the waters of like the Tigers need, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: swing and miss relievers, because it's so apparent.
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  Speaker 2: It's so apparent.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm not disagreeing with the notion, obviously, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also like that's a thing that almost every single team
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  Speaker 1: wants and would be and every contender would be looking
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  Speaker 1: for at the trade deadline. And so therefore, like as
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  Speaker 1: much as you would say this is a huge need,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I would love the cost of
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  Speaker 1: getting a true difference maker in the back end of
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen. Given like, even if you do a Trek
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  Speaker 1: Skoogle and you do the thread to needle thing, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably not gonna be a good ROI and you talked
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  Speaker 1: about with the with the front office, like looking at things,
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  Speaker 1: you know, analytically, and you know, try to make sound that.
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  Speaker 3: It just Yeah, Scott Harris probably agrees with you. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we saw what happened last year, and again, if you
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  Speaker 3: want to criticize this front office, it's both last year
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  Speaker 3: at the deadline and all this season. They just have
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  Speaker 3: not constructed a good bullpen, a power bullpen, a bullpen
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  Speaker 3: that can get swing and miss and it's been one
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  Speaker 3: of their their fatal flaws dating to last year. But
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  Speaker 3: you're right. If they didn't add really high octane bullpen
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  Speaker 3: help last year, they're probably not going to do it
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  Speaker 3: this year. I mean, I think I would still want
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  Speaker 3: to target someone who can go out and miss bats.
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  Speaker 3: Is there someone on this between Rafael Montero and a
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  Speaker 3: worldist Chapman that you can target. They're not going to
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  Speaker 3: go get a dude a horse, but can you bring
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  Speaker 3: in someone with some interesting stuff who maybe can help
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  Speaker 3: you a little bit. The other question, also a right,
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  Speaker 3: is like if you're not if you're gonna trade Schooble
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  Speaker 3: and you're not really going for it, there's someone controllable
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  Speaker 3: you can get, well to get someone controllable, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to trade a prospect hall. I don't think Scott
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  Speaker 3: Harris wants to trade valuable assets for for relief pitching.
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  Speaker 3: Although these guys see what Jim Jarvis is doing with
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  Speaker 3: the Braves for Raffael Montero, So that's really interesting. That's
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  Speaker 3: one of a million really interesting dynamics with the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: You guys probably seen all the luxury tax stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that has to be a very real consideration
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  Speaker 3: for the Tigers. Again, Scooble is kind of the difference
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  Speaker 3: making guy that it's like, maybe you just have to
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  Speaker 3: trade him to me. I think maybe the most fascinating
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  Speaker 3: thing is becoming case he mice because he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: like he could get you a pretty good return, but
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  Speaker 3: maybe not a franchise altering return. Maybe you could keep
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  Speaker 3: him and if you can get that qualifying offer after
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  Speaker 3: the first round, is that you know, are you content
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  Speaker 3: with that or are you not? Myz is I think
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  Speaker 3: even less black and white than maybe what you do
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  Speaker 3: with Scooball. So yeah, there's a lot going on. And
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  Speaker 3: that's another thing. If the Tigers already do the thread
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  Speaker 3: the needle type deal, you have to kind of have
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  Speaker 3: multiple moves all lined up, you know, and that's not
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  Speaker 3: very easy to do. There are some potential really big
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  Speaker 3: pitfalls for the Tigers front office, especially given Scott Harris's
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  Speaker 3: reputation across the league, where that could go badly if
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  Speaker 3: not everything falls into place exactly how you want it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it's you're gonna have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: action in the week ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, like like one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I say all the time, especially and related to you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Saturday's game, where you know, you only score two runs,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, you can't expect to win
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  Speaker 1: that many games alreadys scoring two runs. So as much
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  Speaker 1: as the bullpen stuff frustrates me, like how you got
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  Speaker 1: there frustrates me probably more, And I think the same
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  Speaker 1: could be said about the current construction of this roster
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  Speaker 1: and all these things that you just laid out that
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  Speaker 1: are like their level levers that need to be pulled now,
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  Speaker 1: all basically at the same time. Whereas how you got
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  Speaker 1: here is probably a bigger deal that you are forced yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Into this corner.
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  Speaker 1: And that's and that's on the front office, and they
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of things that they tried obviously did
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  Speaker 1: not work. That's why we're sitting here talking about.
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  Speaker 2: A team that is fifty and fifty six.
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  Speaker 1: All right, speaking of Terrek schoobol Cody, I want to
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cody, Well, I'm glad that Trek Schooble. You
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  Speaker 1: know it looks like he's going to be starting Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: at America Park, because look, if it is his last start,
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  Speaker 1: we'll obviously be having planning to talk about. But it
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  Speaker 1: just would have been kind of funky if his last
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  Speaker 1: start was Friday night where in the orange alternate with
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  Speaker 1: the Cooper's down hat, it just would have been funky.
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  Speaker 1: That was gonna be like our last like instance of
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  Speaker 1: seeing Schooble in a Home Tigers uniform. Obviously that looks
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  Speaker 1: like that will not be the case. But it even
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  Speaker 1: though it looks funky, it was kind of classic Schoobl
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  Speaker 1: there on Friday, seven point one innings. It gets into
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  Speaker 1: the eighth obviously, one earned run, four hits, twelve K's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of walks in there, but he kind of
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  Speaker 1: that game that every single concern if you were in
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  Speaker 1: the level of concern with Trek Schougle, like everything just
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  Speaker 1: kind of kicked out for a night.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty special to watch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Terrek Schougle was really good. It was it was
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  Speaker 3: vintage schoobl His last two outings have been pretty lights out,
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  Speaker 3: Like I thought, he's, yeah, he's all right, he's fine,
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  Speaker 3: he's good to go. Any even you know, other teams
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  Speaker 3: that might have had any doubts, I think he has
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  Speaker 3: certainly answered those with what he has done the last
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  Speaker 3: two outings.
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  Speaker 1: So, given everything that we've we've talked about, I have
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  Speaker 1: a new Tark Schoogl trade uh percentage, and I have it.
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  Speaker 1: I have fifty three Ark Schoogle will be traded and
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday could be his last game in ch America. Part
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  Speaker 1: But uh, like I guess now that we're steamrolling toward
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  Speaker 1: the deadline, Uh, does that is there a gravitational pull
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  Speaker 1: to the Schoogle situation right now? Given that, like the
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  Speaker 1: finality of it is kinda is kind of getting closer.
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  Speaker 1: Does it feel like that even just like around the
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  Speaker 1: team or just like you know, the way he talks.
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  Speaker 1: I know he does a good job. It's like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to get into that, you know, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it's a question being asked.
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  Speaker 3: Everything obviously got into a lot, uh in the in
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  Speaker 3: the past few days. Been a pretty exhausting week. I
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  Speaker 3: even got criticized on ninety seven to one A little bit, baby,
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  Speaker 3: That's that's how you know you've made it right? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean you know, he was asked, you want to
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  Speaker 3: be here next year? He said, I'm focused on this year.
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  Speaker 3: So again, I don't really know what you expect him
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  Speaker 3: to say some that may upset some people. It is interesting,
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  Speaker 3: you know that. I think there's a certain level of
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  Speaker 3: Schooble fatigue. People have maybe gotten tired of them, or
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  Speaker 3: don't like them anymore or whatever. I think Schoobl's ready
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  Speaker 3: for this to be over one way or another. I
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  Speaker 3: think I'm ready for this to be one, you know,
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  Speaker 3: over one way or another. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people probably feel that way. But one of the interesting
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  Speaker 3: kind of downstream effects. Do you think about it. Let's
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  Speaker 3: say the tight Yeers do do the thread the needle thing,
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  Speaker 3: they trade Schooble, but maybe no one else. Maybe they
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  Speaker 3: add a little bit. How will the clubhouse respond to that?
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  Speaker 3: IM not so sure. In a way, it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: this thing being taken out of the room. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that could be good, even though from what I understand,
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  Speaker 3: school very popular teammate, one of the kind of leaders
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  Speaker 3: of this club. But also you take that dude out, Like,
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  Speaker 3: how does that make the other players feel? Like? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, I think that could have a bad impact.
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  Speaker 3: Even if the Tigers aren't surrendering, it could still feel
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  Speaker 3: like a surrender in that room, I think if the
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  Speaker 3: front office were to move Schoogle. So that is certainly
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  Speaker 3: something to be cognizant of. You guys probably saw the
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  Speaker 3: Bob Nightingale report. You know, the Tigers are interested in
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: trying to convince both their players and fans that they're
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  Speaker 3: not surrendering. And like, if you have to convince someone
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  Speaker 3: you're not surrendering, then that's that's probably not a great
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  Speaker 3: spot to be in. So that's one of the many
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  Speaker 3: factors kind of swirling right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look like everyone is entitled to their own
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  Speaker 1: perspective on that front office coaching players like I do
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  Speaker 1: think like there is something to like get portraying the
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  Speaker 1: right message of a Schooble trade does happen, and saying like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: look there's still all this in front of us, like
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: we you know, this is just something that you know
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: had to be done, but you can't also so sell
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: them on you put your best foot forward if you
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: trade Schooble like that, just that just it's blatantly false
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to to to say that, and they would know that,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: but I would, I would. I would also tell like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the tough love piece of this is because it's like, hey,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you you're hitting two hundred.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: That's why we're traded.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Tech Schooble, because like we we are, we are we
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we are Like you know, however many games below five
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: hundred at that time, you know what I mean, Like
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: there's an in there's an inward aspectist that they would
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: have to feel. Uh, in my opinion, uh as like
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you obviously have failed by this point because you know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: like you're not good enough to keep the best picture
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: in baseball from a from a front office perspective.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I would love to see someone deliver that exact message.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: List of all these guys, why we just traded Schooble.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: It's your fault. It's your fault, it's your fault, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: it's your fault. That probably wouldn't go over too well you.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: But it might not be wrong.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Also but they but they would also have to know
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: that too, Like you have to know that like we,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: like I haven't done enough to like put this team forward,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the guys that are struggled
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and and you know, believe me, there's.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Quite a few.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Uh so, so yeah, Wednesday, I'm sure will be It
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: will be strange. It will be strange, Cody, because that's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: a day game, so obviously, you know, vives are different
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: than a night game or whatever. And like, could Schoolbul's
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: last start be at America Park, as I remember the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Tigers be in front of a fraction of the crowd
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that normally is associated with Schooble days, You.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean? That almost that almost doesn't seem right, you.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Know, liked game. If it's the last one that would be,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I would be unfortunate. That would kind of add to
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the the I don't even know what the word is,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: just the awkwardness around this, this whole thing. If if
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: it were to be the end, it's kind of a weird. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: it would be a weird.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be It would feel you, you know, feeling make
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you feel longing and and you know that's another thing
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: too with this team is that they just kind of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: make you feel longing for like it just just don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: unnecessarily go to third base, you know, just just feel
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the ground ball, you know what I mean, Just just
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: don't just just you know, just lay off, lay off
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the breaking ball out low and outside, you know what
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I mean. Just it's like, ah, because I know, I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: know it's in there, and and I do believe it
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: is a good team with a bad record and a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: horrendous back end bullpen at times. But this felt like
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a settling weekend to me. And I guess that's kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of why I like, it's like affecting my mood a
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: But we'll see that. You know, his momentum a real
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: thing in baseball or not. You know, the Orioles are
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: coming in, they're playing a lot better, but the Tigers
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: are going to roll out Cater Montero and Troy Melton
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and Trek Scouble. So if they sweep art, is the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: mood back up? Like I don't know. Yeah, well, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: that's kind of one of the things, like I think
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the front off is, especially this front off has to
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: remove itself, removes or does remove itself from kind of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: those ebbs and flows that the players feel and that
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the fans feel, and that that we kind of go
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: through as well. Their job is not really to get
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: caught up in that. Their job is to kind of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: look at it more from from thirty thousand feet and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: so that just reinforces I'm not sure what happens in
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the Orioles series is actually going to impact their decision.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I do think this past weekend might have been where
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to draw that line and say,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: all right, this is our situation. We got to figure
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: out how to proceed.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Now, now you talk about this, it's like they have
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to know exactly the kind of framework that they would
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: accept for a Schoogle trade right there. It's like it's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: got it's gotta check. They've got to check these boxes, right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And I would say there is some value in them
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: pretending that they're they have not completely you know, conceded
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that they're going to trade Schoogle.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: They better have like a like and it's and it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: going to be specific to each team that they you
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: know that figure would be interested. But they they have
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to play it close to the vest because they don't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: want it out there, like you said that they're like
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: engaged in conversations or whatever, because it will leak probably
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: not from the.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's already happening a little bit.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yankees are gonna love to tell their fans
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that they're like in the tear schoobl sweepstakes.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: The Dodgers are gonna love the villain arc of saying
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, you know you could you go
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: get school.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know, those kinds of things.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So like this could be a very quick developing trade
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: whenever it does happen, because I do think in addition
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to just you want to take it to the last second,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they don't want to engage and tip their hand into
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the last second, and so like they they they better
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: have their formulas all ready to go just to kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: of enter in you know, the players and their stats
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, yep, that's a good trade because
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen really fast in my finion, maybe right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to a break Cody.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Then after that we'll talk about Labor Tourres Little Labor
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Torres action, the guy that kind of needs to get
• 22:03
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• 23:39
  Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, you know it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's obviously never a great time to get injured, right,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But looking at some of the glabor tors his numbers
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: when he had his second oblique injury of the season,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you know, in the month of June. Cody so his
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: last game was the fifteenth of June. In the month
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: of June, he was hitting three forty one, like like
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: for the month, for the month, obviously not for the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: whole year, but for the month he was hitting three
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: forty one. And since he's come back, he had the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: two hits in his first game back, but only two cents.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And so like it's a you know, one ninety ballion average.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I know, it's only a week's worth of games, but like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: this is somebody who like all those great things that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: we talk about with Glaber Torres, like it's absent right
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: now and and and and it's felt and you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we talk about urgency. Kind of need to get going
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: here because like you you, what you do impacts winning,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and you're not bringing it right now. But I will
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: say this, he does kick the crap out of sinkers.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Cody of five ninety five slug against singers four run
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: value and Kyle Bradish loves the sinker forty one percent
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to right handed hitters. So maybe maybe maybe Monday's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: launching pad.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, write that one down. That's a good stat Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Gliber just still looks a little bit rusty to me,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to be honest. I mean, we've seen like the day
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: just fair like. I think they're kind of trying to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: ease him back into this thing, so he hasn't quite
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: looked right. The bat speed just at least feels a
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: little bit slow right now, and that's an interesting thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Hovey Bias is nearing a return, and asking aj Hinch
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: about Hovey, it was like he mentioned Glaber. He's like, well,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you know, we we love to have him back. Hovey
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: probably is ready to be back asap, but you have
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to make sure the hamstrings are good and the obliques
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: are good and like that you're all the way back
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: in playing shape. And he pointed to Glaber as an
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: example of that. So, yeah, look, Labor is a professional hitter,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: all right. I'm not too worried about him, but yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: sure there's urgency. And he's a fascinating player. In the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: trade discussion too, we haven't really talked about that a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: ton with him, but another guy on an expiring deal.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Right handed bats are at a real premium right now,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and you could argue a right handed bat remains one
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of the Tigers needs. I don't know that they're going
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: to really be able to get one if they're doing
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the thread the needle things. There not a lot of
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: great options out there, and it seems like the prices
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: are already really high if you look at the Red
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Sox Nationals trade that went down, so Glaber could have
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of value to some other teams. At the
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: same time, he's one of the most valuable players on
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the Tigers. When he's going right, their order just has
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a much different feel to it. We'll see if he
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: can get going right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, does Lee play into that at all? His
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: play of late eleven games streak? You know, it just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: seems like every every time you look, Lee's doing something
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you like.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's an interesting thing too. I mean
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I don't yeah, because you still want how You Lee
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: in this lineup. We talked about that, right, you want
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: this kid playing He's he's crushing it. I remain I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: want to acknowledge what how You Lee has done again,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: like been really impressive, been that kind of surprise the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Tigers have needed. I'm a little skeptical what it's looking
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: like going forward. You look at the advanced stats right now,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: they're really not great. Still a lot of whiff and
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that's always been one of the biggest concerns both chase
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: and end zone with he's not walking right now. He
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: did walk more in the minor leagues, so I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that's encouraging. He was his whole thing was kind of
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: exit vlo and being able to barrel up the ball.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: He actually hasn't done that at quite the rate you
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: would want, despite his pretty clear success results wise, He's
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: going to start getting pitched a lot harder. I think
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: opposing teams are going to really start trying to get
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: him to chase more. We saw him chase above the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: zone with really good success on Saturday, but you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: is he going to start seeing everything above or spin below.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: That's a recipe that can trick a lot of guys
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: as they make their adjustment to the big leagues. I
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: think how you Lee is about to have to be
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: able to make an adjustment, and that will maybe give
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: us a much better idea of kind of how much
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: this is for real. But you're right what he's done lately.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: If the Tigers were to trade Gliber Toerez, you might
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: not feel terrible about it because you would have someone
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: who has at least at least proved their metal a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: little bit in how you lead to take over that
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: playing time.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my dad's favorite players. I loved him from
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the first time I saw him play and we were
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: watching the game on Saturday. He was getting up to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: uh to go to the bathroom. He came back in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: right after the home run.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, who hit the home run? I was like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: your boy, your boy did it again.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: He's pulling the ball. Now, he's pulling fastballs. He's he's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: doing a lot of good stuff.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tough play there, fielding, Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's never going to be pretty. But again,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the Tigers always think he's grated out better than he
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: has looked. So take that for what it's worth.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Do we have an idea of what the roster move
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: would be with Hovey.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And add that to the long list of mysteries. Kerry
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Carpenter came out of Sunday's game this heel injury. He's
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: still nagging at him. He's going to get evaluated. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: it's possible it's carry to the IL have up in
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the big leagues. Let's say karp is able to avoid
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the IL. I think you then have a pretty interesting
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: decision between James Outman and Ben mal Jerry. Hopefully we're
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: not completely overlooking anything like we were with the Valencia
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: thing a while back. That was a bad one because
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: if you bring Hovey buyas up, like how committed are
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you to playing him in center field almost every day?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: That sounds great in theory, but we just talked about
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the rust thing, the health thing. That's kind of asking
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: a lot. Now you could still mix some some Veerling
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: or even McKinstry, but do you view Hovey as your
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: center fielder or do you still want him playing some shortstop?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: That's one question. Outman has done some nice things for you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: He's also hitting what one fifty, and that's kind of
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: becoming more apparent that that's and so if you're not
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: playing Outman really for the defense every single day, even
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: though he's a left handed bat like that, pretty quickly
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: to me, becomes an empty roster spot, a guy who
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: maybe he's like a base running replacement and an occasional
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: defensive sub, but not a guy you're pinch hitting. You're
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: kind of taking away a bench bat option from aj
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Hinch if you leave Outman on this roster. I think
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: now same thing could go. Let's say you get rid
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: of Outman, but Hobby's playing more outfield? What is Ben
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: mal Jerry's role? And that's a young guy you probably
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: do want, you don't want him just stashed on the bench.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: So I'm not sure there's a perfect solution. I do
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: think those are the options that play, though.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the whole carry thing, like, you know, if you.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Lose carry, you're gonna want to find another left handed
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: bat somehow, And who is it? Like can you work
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that's a puzzle? Can you work Jace Young back into
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: this thing? But I don't know that you can play
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Young and Lee and Labor and Hobby?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, yeah, I have some fun not so fun
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that one, Cody uh And and then you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: kind of wrap up this this injury segment here Jack
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Flaherty like what do we what we what do we
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: know about him? Because again talk about talk about guys
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that you know, future at least with the teams could
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: be up in the air, you know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Like, so I'm I'm stressed right now. They are all
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: these questions and I don't have any of the answers,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think the Tigers quite know every
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: answer yet either. Talk to Jack a little bit today
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: and he said, you know, I probably could be throwing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: It seems like we're playing it a little slower. He
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: didn't seem to be thrilled with that. He's ready to
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: basically get back. Then asked aj Hinge about it, and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: he's like, well, we're getting more, you know, further evaluations,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: different opinions. So I guess that's kind of standard operating procedure.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: But that also makes me think, Okay, I was always
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: skeptical that a forearm inflammation was just going to be
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: fifteen days and everything was fine, and this is are
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: we already seeing signs that maybe it's something a little
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: bit more I don't know. And then yeah, flarity a
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: huge trade deadline component. A guy that if they are
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: going to inter cell mode you would want to sell.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Even if they're entering thread the needle mode, he could
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: be you know, some salary you would want to offload.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be pretty hard to offload if he's dealing
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: with a forearm injury. That's up in the air. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: not sure. Jack at least seems seemed to think, you know, hey,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: no big deal, I'm ready to get going. But he
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: also said Tuesday, you know, he thinks I guess that
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: would be his bullpen day. He kind of hopes to
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: have more answers by Tuesday and maybe some clarity on
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: all these trickle down effects will come after that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Man, Well, I'll tell you, I mean split with the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: royals with you know, like I said at the beginning
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of the pie like and just all this other stuff
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: going on, just it feels more and more muddy Cody,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and is coming.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: That's if you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Want to have a smile on your fav We want
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to make Cody smile, Like remind the media, I remind
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  Speaker 1: Cody that clarity is coming. Clarity is around the corner,
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  Speaker 1: and all these things that we spent months in some
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  Speaker 1: cases years like discussing, are all gonna be And we
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  Speaker 1: don't have.
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  Speaker 3: To get August fourth, all right, We're gonna get there.
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  Speaker 3: Calendar will keep turning August fourth. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: exactly what's gonna happen, but that dust will settle and
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  Speaker 3: we will get there and and then then we can
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  Speaker 3: really break it all down and what it means.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, then we can move forward. All right.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can follow us on x form. Me knows
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  Speaker 1: Twitter at Cody Stavenhagen, I am at Kieran Underscore, Decley
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  Speaker 1: pot pages at Tiger Territory, Underscore, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, you
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  Speaker 1: guys know what to do. We appreciate all of you,
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  Speaker 1: so for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Kieren Steckley. Everybody, have a
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  Speaker 1: great day.