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PLEA DEAL: 13-Year-Old Cheerleader Stabbed Dead, Classmate Sentenced LIFE IN PRISON · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the tearful sister of a
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old cheerleader, drops one hundred and fourteen stones
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Speaker 1: into a jar as she sits in a quiet courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Why she drops one hundred and fourteen stones into a
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Speaker 1: jar to match the number of times her sister, her
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Speaker 1: little sister, was stabbed as her killer issues a sniveling apology,
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Speaker 1: while the victim's mother insists, Aidan Fucci now sixteen is
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Speaker 1: quote beyond saving. Let that sink in. A thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old little middle school cheerleader is stabbed one hundred and
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Speaker 1: fourteen times. Why for a thrill kill to see what
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Speaker 1: it felt like. Well, he's going to write and hell,
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Speaker 1: but he'll have a little pit stop and the CI
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Speaker 1: Correctional Institute penitentiary. I mean, I see, Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: In Serious X eleven, Alexis Bailly takes to the stand
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Speaker 1: in a Florida courtroom. You could have heard a pin
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Speaker 1: drop two, crying and emotionally dropping one hundred and fourteen
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Speaker 1: green heart shaped stones into a glass jar, representing the
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen stab wounds her sister, Tristan Bailly
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Speaker 1: had to endure when she was murdered. On May ninth,
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Speaker 1: Succi chickened out facing trial and pled guilty to murdering
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old Tristan. He did that. He murdered her
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Speaker 1: when he was just fourteen. He's now facing a minimum
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Speaker 1: of forty years behind bars. How in the world did
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Speaker 1: we land here? Tristan Bailey was reported missing by her
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Speaker 1: family on Sunday morning. Hours later, her body was found
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Speaker 1: in a wooded area near her neighborhood. The medical examiner
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Speaker 1: says she was stabbed to debt. Later that day, a
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Speaker 1: jogger in the neighborhood found a young girl's body bloody
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood's woods. The medical examiner's report, released Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: indicates Bailey had been stabbed one hundred fourteen times and
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Speaker 1: had defensive wounds. That report also revealed the suspected weapon,
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Speaker 1: a knife, was found in a pond only one hundred
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Speaker 1: forty feet from the body, the knife missing its tip.
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Speaker 1: The tip found in Tristan's the ninth so violently used
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Speaker 1: to murder this little cheerleader just thirteen years old. The
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Speaker 1: tip of the ninth is still embedded in her scalp
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Speaker 1: and skull. Guys, you were just listening to our friend
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Ready at First Coast and w j XT News
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Speaker 1: for Jacks. Let me introduce you an all star panel
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Speaker 1: joining us. First of all, you know him well. A
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Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney, Troy Slayton joining us out of La
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Speaker 1: Slayton Lawyers. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Hollywood. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Start at brand new series on Netflix,
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Speaker 1: Bleeding Empire. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Florida at pathcarenmed dot com. Karen nel
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Speaker 1: Smith joining me forensics expert, lecturer University Florida and hostop
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Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcast. But first to Rake Pute, a lad
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Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando Morning News at wd BO ray Kipude.
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Speaker 1: Before you say a word, listen to this for veillance
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Speaker 1: video spotted what appears to be Tristan Bailey walking north
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Speaker 1: from the Ammenite He Center at one fourteen am. Thirty
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Speaker 1: one minutes later, two people are seen walking east along
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Speaker 1: Saddlestone Drive at one forty five am. One is wearing
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Speaker 1: shorts of Hidie and white shoes with a black Nike logo,
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Speaker 1: the other wearing black pants and a black shirt. That
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Speaker 1: same camera then capturing one person walking back west wearing
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Speaker 1: shorts of Hidie and this time carrying white shoes with
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Speaker 1: the black Nike logo. That was around three twenty seven am.
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Speaker 1: One hour forty two minutes later, police found clothing with
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Speaker 1: blood on it. This video at twelve fifteen am on
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Speaker 1: May ninth, shows two people believed to be teens walking
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Speaker 1: east on Saddlestone Drive. As to whether or not that
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Speaker 1: is aid in Fuci and trist In Bailey in this video,
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Speaker 1: that is not confirmed. This was on Mother's Day, the
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Speaker 1: same day investigators say Tristan Bailey was found dead the
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Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office. Investigators say this video shows
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Speaker 1: Fucci running at one fifty two in the morning, so
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Speaker 1: over an hour after two teams were spotted walking in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Guys, you're hearing our friends at First Coast
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Speaker 1: News and w j XT News. Jack, you know the
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Speaker 1: shadowy images caught on a surveillance video shows the thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old cheerleader Tristan Bailey walking with another person and
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Speaker 1: then later you see a young boy, Aidan Fucci at
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Speaker 1: age fourteen, running and you also see someone matching the
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Speaker 1: same outfit carrying a pair of white Nike shoes. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Ray Kaputo, again, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: W DBO. Where is thirteen year old Tristan Bailey that evening?
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Speaker 1: Where has she been? Well? She was hanging out in
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Speaker 1: her neighborhood in Durban crossing Nancy. That's in Saint John's Ford,
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Speaker 1: just south of Jacksonville. It's an upper middle class neighborhood
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Speaker 1: and it was late at night before any of this happened.
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Speaker 1: But if you wonder why a thirteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: will be out late at night on a Saturday night,
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Speaker 1: it was just that type of neighborhood. It was tree
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Speaker 1: lined to surveillance cameras everywhere. I mean, people didn't anticipate
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Speaker 1: problems there. It was in Saint John's Ford, a beautiful
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Speaker 1: place where a lot of people were moving these days.
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Speaker 1: I understand Rayki Peter that there was like a community
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Speaker 1: center where they had been. Do you recall that, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: They all the teams and we had one of those
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, out in the middle of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: and when I was a little It seems so big
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Speaker 1: now I drive by it. I think, I can't believe
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Speaker 1: that was the huge community center. It's very small when
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Speaker 1: I look at it now. But we would have bands
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Speaker 1: in there and dance and play games and just all
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Speaker 1: sorts of fun half Halloween carnivals inside, bobbing for apples,
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Speaker 1: and everybody would go there. And it's my understanding that
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Speaker 1: Tristan had been to a community center event with the
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Speaker 1: whole neighborhood and a lot of kids coming in and
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Speaker 1: out that night. This shadowy surveillance video we're seeing, where
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Speaker 1: are those cameras? Ray Kaputo, Well, the surveillance of the
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Speaker 1: video cameras you're scene are actually doorbell cameras, I believe,
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Speaker 1: are ones that are attached to homes. So they're on
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Speaker 1: these homes on Saddle Stolen Court, so you're seeing, you know,
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Speaker 1: somebody's looking off their window. That's what they might have
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Speaker 1: seen at that time of night, in the one o'clock hour.
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Speaker 1: So how in the world does eighteen boys mother get
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Speaker 1: tied into all of this. You've got a little cheerleader
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Speaker 1: age thirteen, stabbed about one hundred and fourteen times to
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Speaker 1: the tip of a knife, in her skull. Now you've
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Speaker 1: got an unrelated teen boys mother charged why We received
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Speaker 1: a series of videos late this afternoon, including those from
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Speaker 1: inside Fuchie's Durban Crossing home, would show what detectives say
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Speaker 1: is Fucci's mom washing blood off of his jeans. All
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Speaker 1: your sides. Robert Bradfield is live tonight in the newsroom
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Speaker 1: looking through that video which prosecutors build a first green
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Speaker 1: murder case against the Saint John's County teenager Robert Pune
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Speaker 1: Good evening. That video inside Fuchie's home is about sixteen
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Speaker 1: minutes long, but we're going to show you just the
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Speaker 1: first part, which shows his mother, Crystal Smith, walking into
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Speaker 1: an upstairs bathroom, and that is where the state's attorney
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Speaker 1: says Smith is seen cleaning her son's bloody jeans. When
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Speaker 1: officers went into the home, they found a pair of
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Speaker 1: wet jeans in Fuchi's bedroom, and as we reported earlier
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Speaker 1: this summer, the jeans and a drain in a bathroom
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Speaker 1: tested positive for blood. Smith was arrested in June. She
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Speaker 1: is charged with evidence tampering. Now, other video released today
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Speaker 1: shows who detectives believe are Fuchi and Bailey walking in
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Speaker 1: their neighborhood on the morning of May ninth, the last
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Speaker 1: time Bailey was seen alive. Okay, Troy Slaton, veteran defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: if mommy had just thrown a lot of clothes into
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Speaker 1: the wash, that would have been one thing. Because I've
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Speaker 1: actually thrown a shoe, cell phone, a coat hanger into
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Speaker 1: the washing machine with no idea what I was doing. Okay,
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Speaker 1: just like Jody Arius when she threw her did you
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Speaker 1: cam in there with accidental photos of the murder scene?
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Speaker 1: I could get that it's an accident, But for mommy
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Speaker 1: to pick up her son's blue jeans and then go
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Speaker 1: into bathroom and wash the blood out by hand, good
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Speaker 1: looks Layton. Well, I know, Nancy, when I was a
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Speaker 1: kid and I'd play some soccer and I'd roll on
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Speaker 1: my knees on the soccer field and big green stains
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Speaker 1: would be down my pants. Those wouldn't just come out
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Speaker 1: in the normal wash, and my mom, god bless her,
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Speaker 1: would would would scrub those things to get those aims out.
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Speaker 1: So maybe she was just acting like a good mom.
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Speaker 1: Saw some really dirty jeans, thinking that wouldn't come out
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Speaker 1: in the regular wash, and scrub them to make sure
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Speaker 1: they got to stay out. What we don't know is
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Speaker 1: that the mother knew that this was blood from a
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Speaker 1: potential crime scene and was intentionally trying to destroy evidence.
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Speaker 1: That's what we don't know. How can I slice up everything?
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Speaker 1: He just said, Jackie, could you play that one more time?
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Speaker 1: We received a series of videos late this afternoon, including
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Speaker 1: those from inside Puccie's Durban Crossing home, would show what
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Speaker 1: detectives say is Fucci's mom washing blood off of his
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Speaker 1: jeans all your size. Robert Bradfield is live tonight in
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Speaker 1: the newsroom looking through that video as prosecutors build a
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Speaker 1: first re murder case against the Saint John's Gully teenager
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Speaker 1: Robert One good evening. That video inside Fucci's home is
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Speaker 1: about sixteen minutes long, but we're going to show you
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Speaker 1: just the first part, which shows his mother, Crystal Smith,
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Speaker 1: walking into an upstairs bathroom, and that is where the
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Speaker 1: state's attorney says Smith is seen cleaning her son's bloody jeens.
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Speaker 1: When officers went into the home, they found a pair
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Speaker 1: of wet jeans in Fuci's bedroom, and as we reported
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Speaker 1: earlier this summer, the genes and a drain in a
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Speaker 1: bathroom tested positive for blood Smith was arrested in June.
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Speaker 1: She is charged with evidence tampering. Hi guys, Nancy Grace here.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It was just one hour and forty two
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Speaker 1: minutes between when Tristan was last seen and when Aidan
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Speaker 1: Fucci was next seen, running out of the woods holding
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Speaker 1: his shoes because his feet heart. He had compassion for
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Speaker 1: his own sore feet but nothing for this beautiful little
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Speaker 1: cheerleader one hour in forty two minutes, and in that
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Speaker 1: short time he had lured her into the woods and
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Speaker 1: murdered her. Surveillance footage previously showing Tristan and the killer
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Speaker 1: walking together down a very dimly lit residential street just
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Speaker 1: some moments before she was murdered. Then Fuji is seen
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Speaker 1: running barefoot around two am, and the footage showing mother
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Speaker 1: pick up her son's blue jeans and then go in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom and wash the blood out by hand. I'd
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Speaker 1: really like to see the time stamp when mommy is
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Speaker 1: cleaning the jeans in the bathroom. There's no doubt she
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Speaker 1: knew it was blood, okay, because there's still blood in
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Speaker 1: the drain, and it's Tristan Bailly's blood, the cheerleader's blood,
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Speaker 1: so she knew it was blood. She knew he had
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Speaker 1: been out playing soccer the night before. But Slayton has
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Speaker 1: a valid point. But if she was doing that it's
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Speaker 1: say three o'clock in the morning, that's extremely surreptitious, Bethany, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Let's look at it this way. This is not the
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Speaker 1: first time mommy has tried to cover up bad acts
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Speaker 1: that her son Fuci has undertaken. You know, mothers know
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Speaker 1: their son. You know your son, you know your daughter,
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Speaker 1: you know their character, you know what they're capable of. Bethany, Bethanie,
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Speaker 1: I know what class he's in right now, and which
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Speaker 1: class let's he's in right now? You darn't right go ahead.
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Speaker 1: You know whether or not they've done their homework. You
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Speaker 1: know who their friends are. You know whether or not
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Speaker 1: to let them have sleepovers at certain people's houses. He
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Speaker 1: is a young tween, he's barely a teenager. He's out
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Speaker 1: at this community center until I think it's three to
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Speaker 1: forty in the morning. Mommy has to be aware that
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Speaker 1: he has a friend, this cute cheerleader. She has to
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Speaker 1: have been worried about since she has to know that
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Speaker 1: her son is just a little bit strange. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good thing that mother is
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Speaker 1: watching blood off of her son's jeans, and what she
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Speaker 1: should be doing, She's a good mom is sitting down
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Speaker 1: with him and saying, where did this blood come from?
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Speaker 1: What were you doing out till three to forty in
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Speaker 1: the morning, What was going on at that community center?
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Speaker 1: She should be parenting him, not covering up for him.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue I'm gonna throw to you. Then
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Speaker 1: I'll circle back to Karen Smith and doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Let me go to Ray Kaputo, first lead
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Speaker 1: anchor for WDBO there in Florida. I also learned that,
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Speaker 1: according to documents, one of Aidan Fichi, aged fourteens, female
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Speaker 1: friends tells police he frequently talked about killing people, that
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Speaker 1: he would take his knife out and pretend to stab
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Speaker 1: her with it, and that he would draw graphic pictures
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Speaker 1: of taking mutilated bodies. You've forgotten to mention that break nudo. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, some people like their guns and nancy. This
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Speaker 1: kid liked knives. One of his friends even said that
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Speaker 1: he had a nickname for his knives. He called them
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Speaker 1: picker and poker and stop actually stop yeah, bank it
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Speaker 1: from the fire hydrant. Too much, too fast. I gotta
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Speaker 1: write that down. He named his knives, yes, ma'am, picker
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Speaker 1: and poker. Are you saying picker and poker? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll need to bring the shrink in on that.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead named his knives picker and poker. Did you
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Speaker 1: know that I didn't know that? Go ahead? Yeah? Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean this kid liked his knights. They found many
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Speaker 1: more in his home too. Eighten Fute clearly had a
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Speaker 1: thing for sharp objects. Nancy talked about killing people. He
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Speaker 1: collected knives. I mean, talk about the writing being on
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Speaker 1: the wall. You know what, It is just so ironic
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Speaker 1: that when we throw around the phrase the writing is
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Speaker 1: on the wall, that actually she came from the Old Testament,
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Speaker 1: and now it's being used rightfully so Ray Kaputo and
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Speaker 1: the gruesome murder of a thirteen year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: This little girl was stabbed one hundred and fourteen times
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Speaker 1: with a knife tip still in her skull. Ray Kiputo,
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Speaker 1: w dbo. That's not all that was found in the
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Speaker 1: home of the Bloody Clothes. I understand that the cops
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Speaker 1: recovered a notebook filled with violent drawings of women, including
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Speaker 1: a woman with red excess on her breasts and severed
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Speaker 1: arms with blood pouring out. Oh that's correct, Nancy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this kid had some really disturbing things going through his
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Speaker 1: hud and it makes you wondered. Getting back to my
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Speaker 1: she was so interested in helping him out after he
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Speaker 1: got in trouble. But but again, how can you not
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Speaker 1: notice that this is your child? And all these things
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Speaker 1: are going on in their lives. He had the knives,
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Speaker 1: he had the drawings. He was even telling people about
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Speaker 1: what he did. You're what was gonna do. He was
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Speaker 1: clearly a disturbed young man who needed help, and he
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Speaker 1: was crying out for quite a bit of time. But
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Speaker 1: both christ didn't go answered, Rica Puto. I hardly think
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Speaker 1: that naming your nice picker and poker and drawing mutilated
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Speaker 1: women and keeping the drawings in your room, I would
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Speaker 1: call that the devil, evil, hate, misogyny, and I think
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Speaker 1: he knew exactly what he was doing. I really don't
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Speaker 1: know which way to go, but thankfully I've got a
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Speaker 1: panel of experts. Doctor Bethany, do not start up second
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Speaker 1: verse same as the first. But he's insane. If he
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Speaker 1: were insane, he would not know to run away and lie. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank god, Nancy. Sociopathy, which this young man surely suffers from,
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Speaker 1: is a personality disorder, not a psychiatric disorder, meaning that
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Speaker 1: it affects It's an affliction of the mind, not the brain.
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Speaker 1: So certainly he knew right from wrong, Nancy. This is
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Speaker 1: a budding serial killer in the making. You know, the
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Speaker 1: love for the knives, picker and poker, the drawing of
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Speaker 1: the woman with the red xes on her breast, the
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Speaker 1: severed arms this guy got. This young man derived great
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Speaker 1: thrill and satisfaction from thinking about stabbing and dismembering. And
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Speaker 1: you know, mothers fall into two categories when it comes
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Speaker 1: to having a child like this. The first category is
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Speaker 1: a mother who knows there's a problem and seeks help,
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Speaker 1: gets a psychiatrist and a psychologist, gets social services, and
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Speaker 1: wants to help their son have a better life. And
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Speaker 1: the second category we see all too often is the
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Speaker 1: mother who aids and a bests the child, covers up,
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Speaker 1: looks the other way, will do anything to save the child,
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Speaker 1: even if it means that there are other victims out
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Speaker 1: there in society. And surely, surely this mother falls into
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Speaker 1: the second category. With washing the blood off her son's jeans,
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Speaker 1: This mother knew what was happening, Nancy. She saw this
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Speaker 1: all unfolding for a long long time. Why does she
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Speaker 1: even let him out in the community past midnight. To
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the state of Florida,
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Speaker 1: this occurred in Florida, Saint John's County. Doctor Gallagher, would
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Speaker 1: you explain what happened to this thirteen year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: Because we're talking a lot about what may or may
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Speaker 1: not be going through the mind of her killer. Well
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Speaker 1: what about her, what happened to her? Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: one who mentioned that doctor Bulick in Saint John's County,
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Speaker 1: which is District twenty three in Florida, is probably one
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Speaker 1: of the most intelligent positions that we have in the state.
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Speaker 1: He is Yale educated and trained in Fort Lauderdale. Wonderful,
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Speaker 1: wonderful man. But going getting back to her, what was
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Speaker 1: his name, Bulick? B u l I C okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: So you've got a great man. You've got a great
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Speaker 1: doctor on the case. Go ahead, wonderful, wonderful man. Um.
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Speaker 1: I can't say enough about him. But getting back to her, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, so initially, you know, there was the surprise
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Speaker 1: of the stabbing. I'm sure there was an argument leading
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Speaker 1: up to it. But when I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, doctor Gallagher, because this was
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Speaker 1: not boyfriend girlfriend. They were just you know, in the
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Speaker 1: same grade. They knew each other. There was no romantic interest,
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Speaker 1: like they had an argument, So I don't know if
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Speaker 1: if there was an argument or if he led her
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Speaker 1: out there in order to kill her. I mean he
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Speaker 1: had a knife with him, but that said go ahead, right.
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Speaker 1: But you can see there was a struggle. She had
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Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her forearms, and what defensive wounds are
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Speaker 1: is she was actually holding up her arms to defend
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Speaker 1: herself against the knife, and he was splashing at her
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Speaker 1: arms on her forearm. I gotta tell you somethinking, doctor,
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Speaker 1: I just saw it at the corner of my eye.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do it myself as you were talking.
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Speaker 1: But Jackie here, as you were saying, held her hands
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Speaker 1: up like that. How many times have I done that
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury when you say defensive wounds,
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Speaker 1: trying to cover your face or your body. And this
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Speaker 1: little thirteen year old girl, as doctor Tim Gallagher is
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Speaker 1: telling us, was covered in defensive wounds trying to save
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Speaker 1: her life. Right, So she was conscious and aware of
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Speaker 1: what was going on at that point. You know, she
22:57
Speaker 1: knew at that point she was fending for her life.
23:00
Speaker 1: Eventually she became overpowered and these stab wounds to her head. Oftentimes,
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Speaker 1: if the knife is sufficient, will penetrate through the skull
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Speaker 1: and into the brain. And we see that could have
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Speaker 1: been the case here when a tip of the knife
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Speaker 1: broke off and lodged itself into the skull, so she
23:22
Speaker 1: may have died from the brain injury, or she may
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Speaker 1: have had other stab wounds on her chest organs, that
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Speaker 1: being the heart and the lungs. The other way. It
23:34
Speaker 1: was a very protracted assault and had gone on for
23:39
Speaker 1: at least a minute or two, Doctor Tim Gallagher, have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen a case where there were over one
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Speaker 1: hundred stab wounds like this? Unfortunately, that's more common than
23:51
Speaker 1: a single stab wound. This is something that we'd like
23:54
Speaker 1: to call overkill. Where there is an emotion involved, or
23:58
Speaker 1: emotions are involved in the homicide, the person gets absolutely
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Speaker 1: worked up and uh just uh loses track of how
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Speaker 1: many times they're stabbing them more or the frustration of
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Speaker 1: the release of stabbing this person is pleasurable to the assailant,
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Speaker 1: and that we find that more often than we hold on.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to take in everything you're saying,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, because frankly, when anybody on this panel speaks
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Speaker 1: sometimes I have to get them to repeat it. I'm
24:34
Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer, and and your thoughts are actually
24:38
Speaker 1: very in depth, and I have to to take it
24:41
Speaker 1: in and understand it. He just said. Doctor Tim Gallagher,
24:46
Speaker 1: he was a renowned medical examiner, believes and you may
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Speaker 1: think this is outside of his province that he's talking
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Speaker 1: about men total emotional sexual gratification of a defendant. But
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Speaker 1: when you've seen thousands of homicides, you begin to statistically
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Speaker 1: analyze what you see, and I think he's right. Whether
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Speaker 1: it was a sexual release, or you have a goal
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Speaker 1: and when you achieve that goal, you feel proud, you
25:26
Speaker 1: feel satisfied. Maybe it was that type of feeling he
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Speaker 1: got from this brutal murder. Time Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: karinel Smith joining me, forensics expert, lecturer and host of
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Speaker 1: Shattered Soul's podcast. You've seen so many homicide as well,
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Speaker 1: over one hundred stab wounds like this. Agree or disagree?
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Speaker 1: And why I do? I've seen it. Unfortunately, just like
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher said, it does happen, whether or not it's
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Speaker 1: a rage or like you said, a sexual release, whatever
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Speaker 1: the motivation is. Multiple stabbings are more common than a
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Speaker 1: single stabbing. And Nancy, there's something that I need to
26:26
Speaker 1: talk about regarding not only what Tory Slayton said, but
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Speaker 1: what everybody else has been saying about these genes. Mommy
26:34
Speaker 1: can try to clean them all she wants, but they
26:37
Speaker 1: tested positive for blood, and that tells me they did
26:40
Speaker 1: a simple color test after a visual inspection, the blood
26:43
Speaker 1: was still on those pants. Now, if the blood was
26:46
Speaker 1: still on the pants, there's a possibility that patterns can
26:50
Speaker 1: still be discerned even after they've been cleaned. If that
26:52
Speaker 1: blood was allowed to dry on the fabric first, and
26:55
Speaker 1: if there were small blood droplets on those genes, that
26:58
Speaker 1: puts the error which would be Aiden Fucci and close
27:03
Speaker 1: proximity to the victim time the crime was committed. It
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Speaker 1: is absolute proof that he was there, that the blood
27:11
Speaker 1: broke up into droplets while he was there. They can
27:13
Speaker 1: also help position him over the victim. His DNA was
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Speaker 1: found on her body, which means he probably injured himself
27:21
Speaker 1: since he used the knife. That's very common as well.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to command with Saint John Sheriff's
27:27
Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office for their Yeah, wonderful work
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Speaker 1: on this. They really did a great job processing this
27:34
Speaker 1: plus finding the weapon as well. Guys, there's more. Take
27:39
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty five. This is Heather
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Speaker 1: Crawford First Coast News, So let's talk more about these
27:46
Speaker 1: new documents. They were also shedding light on the night
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Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci and his parents were inside of an interrogation
27:52
Speaker 1: room after Tristan Bailey's body was discovered. Aiden's parents questioned
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Speaker 1: him with no detectives in the room, but the audio
27:58
Speaker 1: in video devices they were rolling. According to the report,
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Speaker 1: his mother told him that Bailey was found in their neighborhood.
28:04
Speaker 1: The report says Aiden then asked, is she good? The
28:08
Speaker 1: mother's response, no, she's dead. It's all on you right now.
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Speaker 1: The report says, Aiden asked, how is it my problem?
28:15
Speaker 1: They reportedly said because he was the last one seen
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Speaker 1: with her. The report also says the mother asked where
28:21
Speaker 1: Bailey went after they parted, and Buccie stated that she
28:25
Speaker 1: probably kept walking. His father asked, according to the report,
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Speaker 1: he didn't turn around to see where she went, and
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Speaker 1: he replied no now. According to the report, Aiden's parents
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Speaker 1: told him to find his story and stick to it.
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Speaker 1: He was arrested at three thirty the next morning. His mother,
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Speaker 1: Crystal Smith, would later be arrested accused of tampering with evidence.
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Speaker 1: In this case. Troy Slaton joining me La veteran criminal
28:50
Speaker 1: defense attorneys Slayton Lawyers APC Troy. So the recording devices
28:56
Speaker 1: are still rolling, and this aiden fourteen says, how's it
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Speaker 1: my problem when they tell him Tristan is found dead. So, firstly,
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Speaker 1: there is no parent child confidentiality privilege known to the law.
29:16
Speaker 1: So although they may have thought that they were speaking privately,
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Speaker 1: the parents and the child suspect, the police were perfectly
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Speaker 1: in their right to be recording inside that police interrogation room.
29:32
Speaker 1: And so anything that he said to his mom and
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Speaker 1: dad can be used against him. And even though he
29:42
Speaker 1: would say to his parents and he's probably experienced in
29:46
Speaker 1: deflecting his parents off of things that he's done wrong
29:50
Speaker 1: over his past fourteen years, that doesn't protect him in
29:56
Speaker 1: this case. I want to get your thinking to, Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall of what you have heard that audio recording that
30:04
Speaker 1: we've gotten the parents talking to a fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci. Well, I think this is not their first rodeo.
30:12
Speaker 1: I think he's done all kinds of things that they
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Speaker 1: have aided and embedded in covering up. Maybe not a homicide.
30:20
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the first catastrophic violation of the law's
30:27
Speaker 1: he's done. But I'm sure there's been less, lesser infractions.
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm sure he has tortured animals, gotten bad grains, hit people,
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Speaker 1: poked at people. Maybe he stabbed people, even in a
30:43
Speaker 1: non homicidal way, but in a threatening way. So these
30:47
Speaker 1: parents are well skilled and well schooled and covering up
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Speaker 1: for their child and choice. Lacoln said something I think
30:54
Speaker 1: it is so fascinating, and we see this with parents,
30:58
Speaker 1: is that from from the time or show friend are born,
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Speaker 1: they teach us how to accommodate to them. They teach
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Speaker 1: us how to cover up. They also teach us that
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Speaker 1: we can't look past their flaws and we have to
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Speaker 1: take the hard rolls road of reprimanding them and punishing
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Speaker 1: them and disciplining them to make them better human beings.
31:20
Speaker 1: And if this young man was born as a sociopath,
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Speaker 1: he really needed his parents to discipline him and to
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Speaker 1: try to override those tendencies. And apparently he just never
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Speaker 1: got the memo. Well, doctor Bethany, I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear something, and that is how this guy, Aidan Fucci
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Speaker 1: behaved in the cop car. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut twenty seven Our friends at Action Needs Jacksonville News
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Speaker 1: Snapchat videos show Fucci in the back of the cop
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Speaker 1: car before he was a suspect, having fun car. Yet,
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Speaker 1: what's up, guys when you see this in a money
32:04
Speaker 1: Another video from inside Fuji's home appears to show his
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Speaker 1: mother cleaning the jeans police say Aidan wore the night
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Speaker 1: of the murder. She's been charged for tampering with evidence
32:15
Speaker 1: to those genes. Investigators say both the jeans and the
32:19
Speaker 1: sink she washed them in tested positive for blood. Not
32:22
Speaker 1: only that in that cop car he made a statement
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Speaker 1: having fun in an f and cop car. Hey, anybody's
32:28
Speaker 1: seen Tristan. While Sister Bailey dropped the stones into that
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Speaker 1: glass jar, her voice revealed the many questions she had
32:40
Speaker 1: for Aidan Futi, wondering if he got quote too caught
32:45
Speaker 1: up and the thrill of the kill. These are the
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Speaker 1: Sister Bailey's questions. The number of questions I have for
32:53
Speaker 1: Aidan Futi surrounding that night plague my mind. She says.
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Speaker 1: Did you see you coming at her with the knife
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Speaker 1: or did you stabb her while she wasn't paying attention?
33:04
Speaker 1: She did scream out for her help? Or was she
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Speaker 1: paralyzed in agony? Did she cry from my mother? Did
33:12
Speaker 1: she beg you to stop? Did you hear her lungs
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Speaker 1: gurgling with blood? Did you see it in her face
33:20
Speaker 1: when you realized she could no longer breathe due to
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Speaker 1: her collapsed lungs. What were her last words? Did you
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Speaker 1: stay to watch her die? Or did you leave her
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Speaker 1: there in agonizing pain as you ran away? How long
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Speaker 1: did my sister suffer? Did you watch the life leave
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Speaker 1: her eyes? Sister Bailly goes on the memories of Mayn
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Speaker 1: I will forever be ingrained in my body, my mind,
33:52
Speaker 1: my soul to know I was awake and only eleven
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Speaker 1: minutes away from my sister as she was being brutally murdered.
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Speaker 1: Could I have saved her? Another sister, Alexis, the second
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Speaker 1: oldest of the four children, said Fucci quote took everything
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Speaker 1: from us, from our sense of security, laughs, health, sense
34:15
Speaker 1: of potential. Well. Tristin's mom, Stacy, says Fucci was quote
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Speaker 1: beyond saving Aidan Fucci behaved in the cop car. This
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Speaker 1: guy is in the back of the car mocking everything
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Speaker 1: and everybody. I'm having found an effing cop car. And
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Speaker 1: then he makes some comment like, Hey, anybody's seen Tristian.
34:40
Speaker 1: She's dead? Why did he say that as a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact. Listen to our cut twenty seven one more time.
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Speaker 1: New snapchat videos show Fucci in the back of the
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Speaker 1: cop car before he was a suspect, having fun cop car. Yeasty,
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Speaker 1: walk out when you see this. Another video from inside
35:02
Speaker 1: Fuji's home appears to show his mother cleaning the genes
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Speaker 1: police say Aidan wore the night of the murder. She's
35:09
Speaker 1: been charged for tampering with evidence to those genes. Investigators
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Speaker 1: say both the genes and the sink she washed them
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Speaker 1: in tested positive for blood. I mean. It is argued
35:21
Speaker 1: amongst many legal eagles, Troice Sletton that his six selfie
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Speaker 1: in a cop car shows that he's actually proud of
35:29
Speaker 1: murdering cheerleader Tristan Mailey. To me, Nancy, it shows the
35:36
Speaker 1: elements of not guilty by reason of insanity, which in
35:42
Speaker 1: Florida uses the McNaughton rule. If I were to use
35:45
Speaker 1: the evidence from the medical examiner on this show and
35:48
Speaker 1: the testimony of doctor Bethany Marshall from this show, we
35:53
Speaker 1: clearly establish, by clear and convincing evidence that he was
35:57
Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insane at the time that
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Speaker 1: he committed this act. Well I couldn't disagree more because
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Speaker 1: here he is in a cock car saying, hey, guys,
36:09
Speaker 1: has anybody seen Tristan lightly shooting a peace sign having
36:14
Speaker 1: fun in a cock car, being a snarky brat. That's
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Speaker 1: somebody one hundred and fourteen times running from the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: throwing a knife into the water. And then why do
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Speaker 1: you think he threw the knife in the water, Troy
36:33
Speaker 1: so nobody could find it? Why is that a weapon
36:37
Speaker 1: with his blood on it? But brings the sheath home,
36:40
Speaker 1: but comes home and just throws away the murder weapon.
36:46
Speaker 1: And the only one on anil that believes that shows
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Speaker 1: evidence of guilt, I mean someone I jump in from
36:55
Speaker 1: peaking Nancy. He knew what he was doing, and mocking
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Speaker 1: Tristan from the least car is the same m as
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Speaker 1: the murder. We were talking about it earlier in the
37:03
Speaker 1: show that he wanted to triumph over her control her.
37:08
Speaker 1: He likely got sexual satisfaction from killing her. I doubt
37:13
Speaker 1: this was a frustrated rage. I think he was romancing
37:17
Speaker 1: the idea of killing somebody for a long long time.
37:19
Speaker 1: I think his family knew that. I think it was
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Speaker 1: sexually exciting to him. That's why he had the red
37:25
Speaker 1: crosses over the woman's breast and her arms severed. You
37:28
Speaker 1: know he's going to disable her so he can rape her.
37:32
Speaker 1: That's what that picture is all about. Well, you know
37:35
Speaker 1: that's what we call Troy. We call malingering. It's when
37:39
Speaker 1: you make up a fictitious illness to look ill when
37:42
Speaker 1: you're not more for you, guys, that bears on state
37:47
Speaker 1: as mine. Take a listen to our cut twenty six.
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Speaker 1: This is Danny Bozzini Action News Jack's new evidence giving
37:55
Speaker 1: us a glimpse into the moments before and after a
37:59
Speaker 1: love teen year old Tristan Bailey was brutally murdered. Please say,
38:04
Speaker 1: in this video, Tristan is walking with her accused killer,
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old Aidan Fuci, just after midnight Sunday, May ninth,
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Speaker 1: Mother's Day. Ninety minutes later, another surveillance video shows Fuci
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Speaker 1: running in the opposite direction with what appears to be
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Speaker 1: his shoes in hand. The State Attorney's Office releasing another clip,
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Speaker 1: timestamped at three thirty am that same morning. You can
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Speaker 1: see Fucci walking up to his home, heading to the
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Speaker 1: front door, and going inside. Fucci initially told investigators that
38:37
Speaker 1: he left a friend's house with Tristan and they walked
38:40
Speaker 1: together until she turned onto her street. That story changed
38:44
Speaker 1: a few more times. Okay, let me capsulize this, Karen Smith.
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Speaker 1: We've got him running from the scene, carrying his shoes
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Speaker 1: that were likely bloody, throwing away the murder weapon, slowly
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Speaker 1: down when he gets to his own home, walking in,
39:04
Speaker 1: changing his story multiple times, and continuing to lie about
39:12
Speaker 1: it to me. All of that shows he knew what
39:16
Speaker 1: he did was wrong. And that is as choice Layton
39:20
Speaker 1: throws around the technical turn the McNaughton test, It's very simple,
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Speaker 1: did you know right from wrong at the time of
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Speaker 1: the incident. It shows me that's right, evidence of guilt, hiding, running,
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Speaker 1: drawing evidence that's right. And guess what bound found. Knife
39:37
Speaker 1: was found one hundred and forty feet away. The shoes
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Speaker 1: were found in his room, likely bloody, that's why he
39:43
Speaker 1: was carrying them. They found his gene, they found his clothes,
39:47
Speaker 1: They found her DNA all over it, They found blood patterns,
39:50
Speaker 1: they found his DNA on her body. They found the
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Speaker 1: tip of the knife embedded in first skull. This is
39:58
Speaker 1: an open and shut case in my mind. Now it's
40:01
Speaker 1: up to you lawyers to battle out whether or not
40:03
Speaker 1: he was quote unquote insane. But to me, every single step,
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Speaker 1: every single thing that has been seen in the forensics
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Speaker 1: of this case shows me that he had a premeditated,
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Speaker 1: murderous mind and he knew what he did was wrong.
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Speaker 1: He's running from the crime scene with evidence in his hands.
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Speaker 1: To me as an open and shutcase, Nancy, Doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: Gallagher joining me out a Florida medical examiner, Doctor Gallagher.
40:29
Speaker 1: So he throws the murder weapon into a body of water.
40:34
Speaker 1: How can they still get both his and her DNA
40:37
Speaker 1: off the murder weapon. Well, that's a really good question.
40:40
Speaker 1: You know, water does tend to degrade DNA, so if
40:44
Speaker 1: they recovered it very quickly, then it would certainly be possible,
40:48
Speaker 1: especially if not only blood was on it, but the
40:51
Speaker 1: flesh of the victim and flesh of the assailant was
40:55
Speaker 1: on there. Then DNA could be recovered from that quickly. Yes, Noisy,
41:00
Speaker 1: I have to jump in here. There was another case
41:02
Speaker 1: out of Jacksonville, the Cherish Perrywinkle case, where one of
41:06
Speaker 1: my co workers recovered a entire full thirteen LOCI profile
41:12
Speaker 1: from Cherish Perrywinkle's neck after she was submerged in water.
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Speaker 1: So it is absolutely possible to find both sets of
41:20
Speaker 1: DNA on that murder weapon. I was just thinking about
41:22
Speaker 1: Cherish last night. As a matter of fact, Karen, she
41:25
Speaker 1: was a little girl that was led out of one
41:27
Speaker 1: of those superstores with a sex predator who murdered her. Well,
41:34
Speaker 1: we see where the defense is headed. I mean, demons, really,
41:40
Speaker 1: couldn't you just surprise us once? I mean ever since
41:44
Speaker 1: Flip Wilson, the TV star said the devil made me
41:47
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, here we go with the demons.
41:50
Speaker 1: Take a listen to footage we've obtained this young man
41:56
Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci and his first court appearance, and yes, demons
42:01
Speaker 1: also appear. Take a listen to our friends at four news,
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Speaker 1: Jack's I'm going on? Are you teasings? Take my soul?
42:14
Speaker 1: Can take my soul? Away, my soul? What's going on?
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Speaker 1: Demons take my soul? Blah blah, A plea deal in
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Speaker 1: the case of the murder of a beautiful little thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old girl. I'm looking at her in a little
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Speaker 1: cheer outfit with her braces on, the whole world in
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Speaker 1: front of her, and on the front of her cheer
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Speaker 1: outfit with a star on top of it. It says
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Speaker 1: Infinity Infinity, We wait as justice un falls hit by friend,