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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 6) (5/23/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick back
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  up with the unnamed CEO and her interview with the
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  OIG investigators. Question, Now, if redacted sits on the information
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  and doesn't do anything with it, he doesn't tell her Redacted,
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  he doesn't tell the captain, he doesn't tell psychology. Is
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  there any way that the information could have gotten back
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  up to redacted? So should have the people in the
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  shoe and for the next people that are in the shoe, Epstein,
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  they know that there's a sticky note on the computer.
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  Epstein needs a cell mate? Should have they notified you?
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  Should have they said, hey, Epstein is in there, he
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  doesn't have a cell mate, and then you would have
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  therefore notified redacted. Should that have happened? Answer? No, no,
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  because if redacted's coming on late and no disrespect, but
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  no one is home thinking about inmates and if they
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  need a selly or not. So when people come in,
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  we have had many high profile inmates comes in saying, Okay,
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  what's going on with El Chopo today? What's going on
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  with Epstein? Like it's not that deep. So if you're
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  coming in and you're speaking with operations. You know, you're
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  just listening to pertinent information. And just to add here, yeah,
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  it's not that deep because this kind of thing doesn't
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  happen the high profile inmates. It just so happens at
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  Epstein's the one who ends up killing himself. Okay, you
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  know you're just listening to pertinent information. You're asking questions,
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  was it quiet today? Any fights, any use of force?
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  And if you say no, is lieutenant going to say,
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  oh is Epstein? Okay, yeah he should that's what he
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  should be doing. Again, no disrespect to anybody, But no
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  one's inquiring about a specific inmate when you're starting your shift.
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  Maybe you should be. Maybe that's part of a problem. Question. No,
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  and I'm not asking if redacted would be inquiring. I'm
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  saying at this point, is the people in the shoe
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  if they have a sticky note saying at Stein supposed
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  to have a cell mate? Answer No, No, I didn't
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  say that. I said the sticky notes say conduct rounds
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  on Epstein. Question Okay, but if they're aware that Epstein's
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  supposed to have a cell mate, should they have each
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  time somebody else comes on? Should they try to still
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  make the notification. Answer no, because that's not their responsibility.
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  So because the fry chef only cooks fries, he shouldn't
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  tell the hamburger guy that the hamburgers are burning none,
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  if it makes sense. And again, look, if you folks
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  want to believe what these people are saying, and you
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  want to believe that it was just a perfect storm
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  of fuck ups, that's perfectly acceptable. Because there was a
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  perfect storm of screw ups. I just don't believe that
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  it was organic, that's all. And if it was this
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  big systemic thing, how come nobody got fired? Why did
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  people only get transferred? Another question that should be asked. Question, So,
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  if the information dies with redacted, it just dies. What happens? Answer?
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  It's not the line staff's responsibility to know who needs
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  a cell mate or who doesn't answer. So in this case, specifically,
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  if redacted has the information and he didn't do anything
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  with it, he gets cut off by the guard. Uh
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  huh is there anything? He gets cut off again by
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  the guard. There's no way for line staff to know
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  she answers question. So in this specific instance, basically we'd
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  have to wait until the next day answer. If operations
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  don't tell line staff, then they just don't know. Question
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  What if all the lieutenants already knew though? So I
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  guess the difference in this case is that you're an
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  acting lieutenant. You would have only been the only lieutenant
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  on the next shift that would have known. And if
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  you didn't know, then there would be no way for
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  you to gets cut off by the guard. So if
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  I knew that during the day question No, So what
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  I'm saying is redacted knows the information, doesn't do anything
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  with it. Now, who would be the next person? As
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  you said, redacted wouldn't have asked him about it because
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  gets cut off by the guard. Yeah, you don't come
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  in just asking about inmates. Question exactly. So my point
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  is being is were there any other lieutenants after redacted
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  left that could have found that out? Or was it
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  just you? Answer? It was just me question? Okay, answer,
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  it was just me question and you didn't actually even
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  know he was supposed to have a cell mate. Answer
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  that is correct question. And you're saying that the CEOs,
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  the officers that are in the shoe, they didn't tell you.
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  Answer that is correct question. And it wouldn't be their
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  responsibility to tell you if they knew he was required
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  to have one answer that is correct question. Okay, So
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  that's the confusing part to me is why wouldn't they
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  be required to tell you that if they knew he
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  had a cell mate? Why wouldn't they say, hey, Lieutenant, Heylt.
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  Epstein's supposed to have a cellmate. Answer, But that's specific
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  in my opinion, that's pertinent information. So if Epstein is
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  an attorney conference, right, and ships are overlapping, and he's
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  there during the count and I'm making around, and let's
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  say it's five o'clock and they're going, oh, Epstein needs
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  a CELLI, that would be coming from the higher ups.
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  So coming on gets cut off by the investigator. But
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  if redacted kept the information and redacted has no idea
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  that Epstein doesn't have a CELLI, how can that information
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  get back to redacted that Epstein doesn't have a CELLI? Answer,
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  But they would have to have been notified by any supervisor,
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  even if the captain felt like calling them straight in
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  the shoe and saying, hey, Epstein needs a CELLI, Like
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  even if you wanted to jump the chain of command, like,
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  they still need to know question. That's my point. If
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  they knew the people in the shoe. If they knew,
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  Let's say, hey, they knew Epstein's supposed to have a
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  cell mate. He hasn't had a cell mate filled. You know,
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  now the new lieutenant's on, So maybe they told the
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  old lieutenant the other lieutenant toll redacted, but redacted never
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  ended up doing anything with it. He still doesn't have
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  a cell mate. Should have the officers in the shoe.
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  Then you are now the new lieutenant. Hey, just so
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  you know, we told the other lieutenant, but now you're
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  the acting lieutenant. Just know that Epstein's supposed to have
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  a cell mate. Should have they told you that? Answer?
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  If they knew? Yeah? Sure question Okay, So if they knew,
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  they should have told you? Answer, they should have told
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  me because that's considered pertinent information and you always passed
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  it on. You should be always passing on pertinent information. Question, So,
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  looking at that roster, who was it that should have
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  told you? Answer the OIC question? And who's that? Answer
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  shoe number one? So shoe OIC shoe number one is
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  the officer in charge of the Special Housing Unit. Answer No,
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  I'm saying, who on the list is it who should
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  have informed you? Answer redacted? Question? And what time did
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  redact did work until? Answer eight to four? Question eight
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  to four? Okay, answer, let me see if he didn't
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  go to lunch. Question So let's say after four, though
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  I'm saying because redacted was I mean redacted was there
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  until four? Who after four? If nothing? After he gets
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  cut off by the guard redacted, he was the OIC
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  relief question Okay, and that's redacted answer uh huh. Question Okay,
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  So he's the last person who should have informed you.
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  Answer if he knew he should be telling me all
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  pertinent information. Question So he's the person on the shift
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  that should have informed you. Answer yes. Question Okay. Now
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  let's say, now you're gone, who are you relieved by?
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  Answer no relief question because you were activity as lieutenant?
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  Answer yeah. Question who then relieves? So there's no activity
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  as lieutenant, but there's an OPSOS lieutenant right? Answer yeah. Question,
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  So who is the OPOS lieutenant? Answer I'm not sure
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  who relieve redacted because I leave two hours before. Oh
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  I'm sorry, I'm oh redacted, she was morning watch lieutenant.
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  Answer okay. Question So redacted is until midnight, so at
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  some point he should have told somebody if he knew
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  he should have told somebody answer yes, question all right.
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  Now he leaves and now it's just Noel and Thomas
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  in the shoe. Should they have notified anybody? Answer if
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  they knew? Question? If they knew answer yes, question who
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  answer operations question, so they should have left a notified
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  or note with that person answer redacted? Question all right,
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  so he gets cut off by the guard. They knew
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  they should have question Okay, So if redacted knew and
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  didn't do anything, the next person in line, redacted then
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  should have notified you he didn't. That shift comes in.
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  Either Noel or Thomas should have notified or redacted. And
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  that's assuming the people in the shoe knew. Answer yeah,
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  question on and either Noel and Thomas were either one
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  of them like where you identified or redacted? Were either
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  one of them like the person who should have done
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  it versus the other, or both of them just as
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  responsible answer. I mean, they always say when we have
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  newer staff and then senior staff, they always say senior staff.
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  It's just the norm for him to take initiative and
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  just lead the way. Question is there one of those
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  two that were seniors? Answer yeah, Thomas has way more
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  time than she has question. Okay, So even though if
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  for instance, Noel's the person that's her quarterly assignment and
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  Thomas isn't normally working in the shoe, it would still
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  be he's senior staff. He still should be making the decision.
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  Answer that's practice. Yes, question Okay, so he should have
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  answer because he's senior staff. Question perfect question. I just
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  wanted to make sure answer. Yeah. Answer. So like say,
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  for instance, if I have ten years in and I'm
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  working with someone who has two years in, but they're
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  number one and I'm number two, I'm the one that
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  still should be like, hey, we're doing X, Y and
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  Z because I'm more experienced. Question one hundred percent answer,
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  So we always go with the more experienced question. Okay, now, okay, answer.
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  I just have a question. Question, uh huh. Answer. If
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  Efrian Reyes was removed from like what was in the shoe?
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  He went out? Answer who's Reyes? Question Epstein's former roommate answer, okay, question.
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  If he was removed let's just say eight am, he
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  would have to go to court or whatever it was,
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  and then mcc was notified by let's say one or
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  two PM that he's not coming back. Would that have
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  that information? Have come down to the shoe. Would Shoe
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  have known that he's not coming back? Answer? So they
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  don't know that automatically, No question, But someone would have
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  to inform them. Answer that is correct. Question is a
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  normal practice to inform them? Answer yes, question, Who would
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  have made that decision? Answer operations lieutenant. He would have
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  been told by the R and D and the captain
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  question and the obsolutenant who was the opsolueutenant? Answer redacted question?
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  And redacted also should have notified the shoe Answer absolutely,
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  question and who in the shoe would have notified at
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  that point? Answer? When we call shoe, we don't always say, hey,
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  I need to speak to oh, I see if I'm on.
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  I want the senior staff because they just know more.
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  So like if I pick up the phone and I
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  know it's somebody with a year in oh, let me
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  get Smith. I want the person with the most time
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  and experience because they're more experienced. So if I'm calling Chew, hey,
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  I'm saying clear instructions. Make sure has the SELLI in
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  the next hour or the next half hour or whatever.
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  All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic. We're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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