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111 | Summer of 1998, Chapter 4: Bash At The Beach · The ExtraCooler Show

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  This is Lord Extra Cooler, and welcome to the Extra Cooler
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  show. Nobody eats beef or only on a
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  boat, man. That's a problem.
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  Right. So what's in cooler, just?
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  Blew my. Mind Yeah, rhinos, yeah.
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  Extra credit. Sports.
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  Sports. Sports.
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  Courtside heating. Extra credit.
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  Welcome to the Extra Cooler Show.
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  Welcome back to Part 2 of Bash at the Beach, Chapter Four,
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  guys. I just want to clarify
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  something. I don't hate WCW.
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  I just hate WCW in 1998. Anyway, my name is Nick,
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  otherwise known as extra cooler. We're.
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  Welcome, Welcome to the Extra Cooler Ted Talk.
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  Here we are. Yeah.
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  He has I just. Wanted him to make.
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  I don't think he just has CW and I just think WCW the sound like
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  a choker starting. We're keeping with the same
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  energy. Here we are back again.
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  And. And I'm ready.
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  I am ready. Let's go.
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  We'll get there anyway, as usually you can find us on
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  Instagram at Extracooler and we are prerecording this episode,
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  so hop into Discord and let's talk all things going on in
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  wrestling right now. So the results of this will be
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  posted on Raja WA f.com. Tomorrow, yeah, Pre taped.
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  Spoilers. So.
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  We've got, we've got a lot of fun stuff, if you can call it
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  that, to cover in Part 2. But before we do, Matt has some
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  housekeeping, so I'll let you take it away Sir.
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  So I did some quick Googling in between as we are recording
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  these back-to-back like we have given you a peek behind the
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  curtain and then the Chavo Guerrero music from part one.
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  Was not a WWE replacement, that classic move that WWE has to
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  take out music for, but this was actually his very generic
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  sounding second theme from WCW of three.
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  So he actually had three WCW theme songs, this being the 2nd.
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  So know what they played at Bash at the Beach 1998 was not a
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  replacement and was his actual theme as Mike just told us
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  seconds ago shortly before he. Teamed up with Pepe and had a
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  horse on a stick. Yes, Pepe was a horse on a stick
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  and Chavo rode him down the aisle.
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  I believe it's called a riding horse, right.
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  It was like a toy riding horse. Not a horse on a stick.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That implies like a horse on a stick.
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  This was like the head. You know how you ride it?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's like a nice bag. On a pole, yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly. You can play the music.
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  No, I did not play he. Was just listening to it for
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  like 5 minutes before we hit record and it's.
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  Not I'm not that good. I'm not that good.
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  And then you're gonna have to wait another week for me to pull
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  the Nick clip of I Hate WCW, which.
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  Again for those that. Were listening.
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  Episode one, 1015 minutes and 36 seconds.
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  Nick admitted that I hate WCW quote.
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  UN quote. Finally, the.
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  Truth comes out. You know, man, and Austin, I'm
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  going to defend myself because I'm the guy that gushes over the
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  older WCW stuff, which I really enjoy.
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  It's this stuff that we're covering right now that is this
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  drizzling shits. Can't hard?
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  Hard to argue you. So anyway, that's all your
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  housekeeping, right? Because that was.
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  Oh, you got more? Oh, is it Sting?
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  I stink. He's one month later.
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  Here he comes, turning in his paper.
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  Past the deadline, bra. Alright, fine.
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  You don't get it then give it to us.
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  We wanna know. It was.
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  It did happen. He turned heel in Fall Brawl
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  1999. What did he do?
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  He turned on Hogan. Oh, that's how you turn heel.
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  That's. Terrible Hogan was face like
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  Sting was like if they didn't know.
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  If they could trust Hogan, it was like Hogan was doing like
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  all these like nice things I. Got it.
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  CW stuff they're doing. How could we trust Hogan?
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  In 99. Like somebody doing.
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  All these nice things. Eat your vitamins.
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  Same prayers and eating vitamins again.
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  And well, you know, cuz he was a bad guy for so long.
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  Rubbing Okraland's head in a fond way.
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  Dude, Yeah. Dude, he called it Okraland.
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  All right. What more housekeeping do we
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  have? Anybody.
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  Did you learn German yet? Yeah, yeah, something did.
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  Did we learn German? Because I was going to say Matt,
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  you you had a nice unintentional segue talking about the music
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  because we kicked things off and talking about bogus music.
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  We kicked things off with the 115 mark of Bashing the Beach
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  1998 and it is Chris Jericho coming out.
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  And break the walls down plays. And this just like furrates me.
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  Yeah, it's very jarring. It pisses me off.
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  It's just not what I want to see.
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  Like, I don't understand why. They had to even flow, rip off.
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  Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's not cool.
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  They already, you know, early in the night Raven did his move the
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  Even Flow DVD, so I can't just play the music you already rip.
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  They couldn't rip off Pearl Jam twice, and one that I guess
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  cross the line. But like and they have to rip
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  off Nirvana later on with DDP, but that's.
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  Barry, what's funny is those songs aren't actually the songs
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  either. They're like literal rip offs
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  and like someone probably just sued those.
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  Maybe it's not to be his fault, like maybe those things got
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  wiped off the map a long time ago.
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  I don't know. It's not cool.
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  You can't tell me you can't like pay a few extra bucks out of
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  your your billion dollar pocket and I don't know, make it right.
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  Especially for like a guy like Jericho.
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  Unless if they have the mindset of like, you got to do it for
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  everybody, do it for one, you got to do it for all.
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  But like Jericho, man, he's got some so much classic content on
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  WCW that like, I don't even want to start watching.
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  Yeah, like, I don't care about Chavo.
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  You're right. Anyway, Jericho, so he overcomes
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  because this is a 5. Can Jericho segment I think.
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  Go ahead. No.
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  OK, so Jericho comes out. They shoot to a package right
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  away, which showcases the rivalry between the Dean Malenko
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  and Chris Jericho. Jericho cost Malenko a match on
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  Nitro, which led to JJ Dylan coming out, telling both of them
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  that they can't have any contact until they're matched.
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  That's supposed to happen at Bash in the Beach.
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  And Jericho basically before that, eggs Malenko on teasing
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  him about his family, Malenko snaps, beats up Jericho on
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  multiple occasions. And now Malenko has been.
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  Yeah, Jericho insinuates that because his him and his brother
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  look, Malenko look nothing alike.
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  Right, that the dad was, you know, fooling around or whatever
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  like that. Michael just snaps.
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  It's fun. It's like a good, it's a good
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  promo. It's the best promo I think of
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  the night because usually these things are lackluster in the WCW
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  world. Go the video packages,
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  especially this is. Fun really is because it's Chris
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  Jericho. So Jericho is the the WCW
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  Cruiserweight champion at the time and he's out there and he's
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  about to He's looking to claim a victory since Malenko hit him.
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  What's he wearing? He's got a top hat and he's got
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  a little stick. Is it key?
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  What is that thing? He's?
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  Gonna do a soft. Shoe.
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  Soft shoe. This is incredible.
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  This is the predecessor to the MJF like Broadway.
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  Rip off that they did right? Like he had this idea back in
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  1998. But I have to.
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  I have to pause this podcast for a second and rewind at the end
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  of episode 110. I let it slide.
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  Nick, you said bash. Yeah, I know I said it today,
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  All right. And you said it again right now
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  and bash in the beach is is incorrect.
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  Sir, I didn't say bash in, it said.
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  And you said I slipped and oh. And it sounded like you said
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  bash in the Beach. I'm like, what?
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  What? Does it matter?
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  Stupid paper view it at all, right?
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  It's a stupid. Paper view he that's like he's
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  like the hitman. This is like his version of the
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  summer slam the. Summer Slam the Summer Slam,
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  brother, yeah. Right, OK.
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  Can't wait for Four Can braiding for Karl Malone, right?
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  Back to the soft. And not wait, soft shoe action.
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  That is so. Funny.
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  He like, is about to go into like step one of the routine,
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  too. He does like one step and then
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  he gets cut off by JJ Dylan, right?
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  I can picture that step too. Yes, it's.
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  So it's is. Classic.
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  Brilliant. It's so good.
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  It's so funny. I think this is my favorite.
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  Jericho, hands down. This is what.
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  The only reason, honestly, that I tuned into WCWC what Chris
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  Jericho was doing, cuz I thought he was easily the funniest and I
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  don't think he's ever seriously, I think this is the best he's
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  ever been, honestly, at least from a microphone standpoint.
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  From a wit perspective, yes. Perspective.
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  From a wit perspective. And I talked about it in episode
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  110. Like my My America Online promo
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  battle fantasy league was Jericho and and Braven.
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  So these were my guys. And this was exactly why?
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  Because he never. And I just.
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  I loved it. I loved it.
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  He calls JJ Dylan JoJo. Yes.
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  And by the way, that's not a Kane.
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  I don't know if that's you could consider that thing a Kane.
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  It's a good no. Magicians.
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  Yeah. It's a tap dance thing.
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  It's. Right.
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  A baton? No, it's a.
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  Cane. It's called a cane, like Dumb
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  and Dumber, like they had the Blues, the blue and orange tux
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  with top hat and cane. It's right what you do.
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  Yeah, Episode 200. We'll do a soft shoe routine put
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  on. YouTube Is it really called the
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  cane? I'm gonna go with it.
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  But it's called the cane. It's called the cane I get used
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  my. Opportunity.
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  This does look like a giant magic wand, yeah, yeah, but it's
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  it's. It's the soft shoe routine, you
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  know, if you. Have to hit pause and go find
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  this out, you know, because it's gonna be more interesting than
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  you know what, I'll go do that when you guys cover the last
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  few. Mountains Housekeeping Soft
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  Shoe. Look It Up.
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  Do it. Give us a 5 page report.
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  I'm not doing that. Dissertation.
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  Dissertation. That was what I expected at
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  Mikey Work Rate and 110. And he let us down.
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  So now it's the next turn. So JoJo is out there and.
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  He's confronting Jericho and he's surprised how many fans
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  Jericho has and that the fans are disappointed because they
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  want to see Jericho defend the title.
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  JJ Dillon says he's been trying to find an opponent.
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  That and he finally found someone locally, Jericho says,
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  oh, an independent jabroni. And Dylan adds, this guy's
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  wrestled and six hasn't wrestled in six months and Jericho's
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  like, all right, all right, I'll fight this guy as long as it's
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  no DQ. JJ Dylan agrees, and it seems
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  like I don't know where we have as.
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  Long as it's a title match. Yeah, as long as it's a title
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  match and we get Ray's music and Ray's Music Kid and it pissed me
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  off, I'll. Teach this job or a thing or
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  two. Chris Jericho equals by Ray.
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  Yeah, that's great. That's like probably the first
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  one It is. Someone ever said that I think
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  if. I had to guess.
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  We get there's. Also a stinko Malenko in there,
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  yeah? It's like such childish like
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  jabs, but it works so well. So good right now.
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  I was very disappointed though, like the piss for camera work.
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  We get Jericho's music. I wanted, like, I'm sorry, we
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  get Ray's music and I wanted to see Jericho's reaction in the
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  middle of the ring and they, like, completely missed the
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  entire thing. This company has so much money,
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  how could they not figure out how to hire a good producer?
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  A good you know, right? Your own Jim Jones.
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  Jim Jones. So I had to call back to episode
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  72. Yeah, then maybe we wouldn't
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  have to listen to Walls of Jerry.
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  Joe Johnston I got it. I know.
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  Joe Johnston. Rey Mysterio has been off TV for
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  the last couple months and he looks, he looks.
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  Incredible. This, to me might be his best
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  gear. Like, the color scheme is
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  incredible. It's perfect for Bash and the
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  Beach today. Today's having like an orgasm
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  over his physique. He looks great, man.
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  It's probably the best that Ray Messiro has ever looked.
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  Probably. Yeah, he's just really tan, I
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  think, honestly. No, he's more Jack.
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  He's. Yeah.
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  Yeah, he's definitely gotten jacked like.
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  In the newsletter, Meltzer talks about how it's like all for
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  nothing because he's so small that no matter how jacked he
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  gets, he's still gonna look small.
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  And I thought it was like a nice big old dig at Rey Mysterio.
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  Here he's got the big knee brace on.
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  He's got like this neon green and neon red.
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  Gear on and it's that it's incredible.
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  Jericho works the the need to start off and then really quick
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  the action heads outside the ring.
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  Into the sandbox. Yeah, into the sandbox up the
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  ramp, which we spoke about a little bit, how the entrance for
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  Bash at the Beach is just is awesome.
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  It's so good. If you played WCWNWO Revenge and
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  chose Bash at the Beach, that's exactly.
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  This setup. Yes, it's got.
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  It's loaded with sand. Imagine like a truck coming in
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  there just to dump a ton of sand.
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  Someone. Built that pyramid too.
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  There's like a pyramid in sand. It's like a nice sand castle.
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  What is that skull logo on it? I don't really understand that
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  thing. I don't know if you.
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  Caught it. Take it stone cold.
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  No, no way. Anyway, I was a little
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  disappointed with how short they were outside the ring up the
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  ramp they like. They go up there.
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  Ray climbs the lifeguard ladder and hits a move off there.
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  Jericho's covered in sand, which.
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  Flying Hurricane Rana. Into the into the pyramid.
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  Into the pyramid. It's like Ray.
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  Kind of like power bombs himself, though.
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  Like Into the Sand. Yeah, exactly.
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  So there's. Yeah.
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  There's they. Like I said, we're so we're back
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  in the ring, right? And Jericho hits Mysterio off
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  the top rope with a power slam. It's absolutely incredible.
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  He goes outside, brings a chair into the ring.
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  He wraps it around Mysterio's knee.
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  He's working that he's coming off the top rope, comes up
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  empty, doesn't hit the move. Mysterio picks up the chair,
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  hits Jericho with it, and Mysteria hits a face Buster.
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  Comes off the rope with springboard and Jericho catches
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  him and tries to get him in the lion tamer.
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  To me, just like the way these two work together was, it was
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  awesome. Like I wanted more of this on
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  this card in the beginning and afterwards.
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  That was exactly what I wrote down and in my rating.
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  I gave my rating, which we'll get to in a minute.
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  And I all I wrote was I wanted more like this.
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  This match got 6 minutes, 6 minutes and they did so much in
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  6 minutes. It didn't feel like it was it
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  was that short, but it like at the end of it you get, you just
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  get. I felt empty, like I felt like I
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  wanted more of this and maybe this was you know, where Chavo's
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  head shaving took took some time away from.
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  Them. I think it was the knee.
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  I think it was Mysterio's knee. I think they were just like
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  being very cautious with his injury.
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  This is like, yeah, test it out, Get out there, try it out.
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  See. Right.
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  Don't go too long. Yeah, that's my assumption.
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  That's the way I kind of took things from this match.
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  But still, that doesn't mean I didn't want more.
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  Yeah, so the end Stinko Malenko comes out, right?
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  And yeah, you know, Jericho was trying to get him in the Lion
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  teamer and as Malenko was like coming down to the ring.
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  Mysterio just kind of turns the lion tamer into like a sunset
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  flip, like. Kind of thing, yeah. 123.
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  Rolls them up but. It was Gur, it was Gur.
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  It was great. But I felt like the timing was
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  off there. Like Malenko is not even down to
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  the ring yet, right? Yeah, that's a good point.
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  We're still. Far up the ramp.
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  Yeah, man. And then Malenko is chasing
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  Jericho immediately after the match, like he's just getting
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  out of town. He goes into the back where good
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  old Uncle Aaron, Aaron Anderson is there to slow Jericho down
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  enough for Malenko to catch him from behind and start attacking
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  him. Man, like I said, I want I I
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  gave this three cans in the cooler because I enjoyed all six
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  minutes of it and I wanted more. Yeah.
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  I just it was too short for me and it it the, the, the finish
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  was a little disjointed like Mike just said.
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  I felt like it could have been executed a little bit better and
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  that's where. That's where it only got 3 as
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  opposed to higher, which you know, for me as a jerkaholic, I
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  would have loved to give it more.
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  To me it's it's it's wild that these two guys are still going
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  in 2023, right? This is 25 years later and
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  they're still putting out like really good.
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  Stuff, especially Mysterio, like Jericho, is kind of Mysterio
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  looks really good. Still, Jericho is starting to
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  look like an old man if you ask me, but he's still putting out
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  great stuff and he can still, he can still go, and storyline
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  wise, he can still carry it. But for me, this was my
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  favorite. Thing on the card from top to
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  bottom the the whole thing with Malinco, Inter, Inter weaved
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  into it. I gave it 3 1/2 cans in the
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  cooler. Wow, yeah.
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  But again, like you said, way too short.
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  I wanted. All right, all right.
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  Yeah, I I respect this one. Because I'm because I was
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  interested in who was involved in the match.
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  Like 25 years later, I care about who's in the match.
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  I didn't care about Hooven Toot. I didn't care about Saturn and
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  all these guys. I don't know.
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  It's WWF with Jace here. So you gave me 3 1/2.
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  I understand. OK, I wish.
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  I wish I had more time to pull the I hate WCW clip, but here we
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  are. I'm gonna I'm gonna screenshot
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  my our group text with how many times I've suggested WC the old
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  WCW matches to prove my point. OK, OK.
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  Then I'm sure. Yep, go ahead.
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  Put me on blast. Like you put me on blast for the
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  hot dog. Yep, children.
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  Yeah. Oh, you want to go to the hot
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  dogs? Yeah, let's put.
• 19:07
  The hot dog. So I I I sent them.
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  I was being a troll and I sent them a text of me eating a hot
• 19:14
  dog with ketchup on it and that was enough to set them all off.
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  Yeah, it was good old extra color.
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  Goes on to Instagram and posts a picture.
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  Of and I missed 3. Shot of our texts.
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  Yeah, you should have put a pole.
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  I'll do it again. Next time I have a hot dog, I'll
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  please do. I'll send you another picture.
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  I'll send it. I'll put it into the Discord and
• 19:31
  everyone who tears apart. And yeah, let's have some more
• 19:34
  hot dog talk. It's like Owen Heart, like
• 19:36
  Survivor Series 93. Yeah, I told you in the very
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  first second of this of this episode, I'm gonna keep the same
• 19:43
  energy. Let's go, baby.
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  Joey Chestnut would never do that.
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  No. No.
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  Chance it. Would lose up the throat.
• 19:53
  Eating soggy buns. God, can someone else give a
• 19:58
  rating to? This, yeah, I'd say come for the
• 20:00
  Jericho stuff in the beginning. Incredible.
• 20:03
  Truly incredible. But the match itself?
• 20:05
  Fine. Three cans in the cooler.
• 20:08
  Yeah, I was gonna give it 3 1/2, but I guess three and a quarter.
• 20:13
  Another thing that hurts it is Jericho the following night on
• 20:18
  Nitro. He gets all this shit
• 20:20
  overturned. And he gets the title back.
• 20:23
  Oh. Bogus, yeah.
• 20:26
  So Meltzer gives it 2.75 and he points out that they did not
• 20:32
  play into the fact that Jericho was the one that hurt Mysterio
• 20:35
  in the 1st place. And that's why.
• 20:38
  Yeah, did they? They definitely, they definitely
• 20:40
  didn't make it like this blood feud of like I'm getting my
• 20:43
  revenge like I like they probably should have and then
• 20:46
  they. Should have made a bigger deal.
• 20:48
  Yeah, he also writes on television.
• 20:49
  The next night the title was given back to Jericho with the
• 20:51
  claim that since of suspended wrestler Malenko was at the
• 20:55
  arena and may have in some form contributed to the win, that the
• 20:59
  result of the match becomes null and void.
• 21:02
  At least it makes logical sense, which is more than 95% of the
• 21:07
  WCW angles do. Although if you really want some
• 21:10
  sense then any title change due to outside interference, like
• 21:14
  every one of them in every promotion in the US.
• 21:17
  Should also be null and void if you try to make that rule a
• 21:20
  logical conclusion. Wow.
• 21:24
  Good old Uncle Dave. You know Next up we've got
• 21:30
  something that we talked about a falling flat and and just
• 21:35
  irritating like the walls of Jericho playing.
• 21:38
  Looking at Bret Hart in a WCW ring is just irritating to me.
• 21:42
  It's just not right. It's it just does not look
• 21:45
  right. But anyway we've.
• 21:46
  Got cute. No, it's just I don't know.
• 21:49
  Virus. All right.
• 21:50
  Anyway, our next match is the for the WCW World Television
• 21:54
  Championship. It's Booker T, the champion
• 21:56
  facing off against Brett Hart. I I don't know it's it's I have
• 22:03
  a hard time watching Bret Hart in WCW.
• 22:07
  Like it's just it's very strange to me he's.
• 22:10
  Coming out to the NWO music, right?
• 22:12
  Yes. Shivani I believe is calling him
• 22:14
  an instigator and a master of manipulation, which is fine cuz
• 22:19
  he's coming off of his heel run in WWE right?
• 22:22
  Or WWE right. He's so, well, he's it's.
• 22:25
  Coming around now, so, yeah. Yeah, and he's put.
• 22:28
  And then just seeing him come out in the music with the same
• 22:30
  exact gear and he's got the same he's got those like late Bret
• 22:34
  Hart shades. It's.
• 22:36
  It's jarring. It's, yeah, jarring.
• 22:38
  That's. The word I was looking for.
• 22:40
  So what are you saying back there?
• 22:40
  What are you mumbling on your breath?
• 22:42
  He's correct. This is all this is all correct.
• 22:45
  It all makes sense that he doesn't change his gear at all
• 22:47
  because he's been the same character for his entire career.
• 22:50
  He's been a heel his entire career.
• 22:52
  That's just Bret Hart. That's just Bret Hart.
• 22:54
  Can you just, can you just talk for the next 30 minutes?
• 22:56
  I feel like you've been waiting for this for 100 and some odd
• 22:58
  episodes. I was actually gonna say I'm
• 23:00
  gonna go to sleep during this, so.
• 23:02
  What? God dear, when I come, when I
• 23:04
  come back. Maybe it'll be over.
• 23:08
  This is not a match that you can argue with on paper though,
• 23:11
  right? No way.
• 23:12
  Bret Hart against Booker T Like. The matchup is so cool is this.
• 23:17
  A dream match? Arguably, it has to be.
• 23:19
  Maybe you didn't realize it at the time, but like in hindsight,
• 23:22
  it is. Looking back, it's incredible.
• 23:25
  Like it's not a guy that you would have said, oh, Brett's
• 23:28
  going to WCWCWI. Have to see him wrestle Booker T
• 23:32
  like it's not, but then you look back at it now.
• 23:35
  Especially all the stuff that Booker T does after this like
• 23:39
  it. It's insane.
• 23:41
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, Booker T goes on to
• 23:44
  great stuff, obviously. And Brett is, yeah, near the end
• 23:48
  here, unfortunately. The problem that I'm witnessing
• 23:51
  and watching this event and watching Brett at this event is
• 23:54
  that WCW is really trying to piggyback off of the heel run
• 24:00
  that he had to end at. WWE and it worked in WWF because
• 24:07
  it it it was so natural and felt real.
• 24:10
  We're here. It just feels like it's like
• 24:12
  manufactured and like just fake. And it's it.
• 24:17
  It. Doesn't work.
• 24:17
  It's it's never been more obvious than when you go back
• 24:20
  and watch something like this that WCWE had no idea what
• 24:23
  they're doing when they signed the guy, right?
• 24:25
  They just wanted to take him away from the 100%.
• 24:28
  They have no plan for him. They're like, no, let's just
• 24:30
  take him off their board. Like maybe they they maybe the
• 24:33
  dog would be it work out. But they what?
• 24:36
  What? Like what?
• 24:38
  I don't, Yeah, I don't get. Do anything for so long.
• 24:40
  But here's something I don't understand.
• 24:42
  Like, let's let's think about it because we're going to talk
• 24:44
  about we're going to end up talking more about Bret Hart
• 24:47
  than this actual match. Probably like you just pulled
• 24:51
  away, right? Brett's gimmick in in WWF was
• 24:55
  that he was pissed off at the way things were going right.
• 24:58
  He left. Wws.
• 25:00
  Now he's in WCW, so if his gimmick is, you're going to
• 25:05
  continue his gimmick. Wouldn't smart booking be that
• 25:08
  he was now happy that he's out of the hell hole that WW.
• 25:13
  Yeah man. Yeah, like he shouldn't be this
• 25:16
  angry character. Like, I don't know.
• 25:18
  It just doesn't work. It's not a good idea and.
• 25:21
  Or send them up against the NWO. Not right in the NWO, yeah.
• 25:26
  He. I don't know.
• 25:27
  He just shouldn't be carrying the same gimmick over the gear.
• 25:32
  Looks sick on him like. What's the gimmick?
• 25:39
  Great. Anyway, match Match was what it
• 25:42
  was looking back. Sorry, I love it.
• 25:46
  Yeah, it's another one that I thought was was OK.
• 25:49
  Goes about 8 1/2 minutes for me. That's like taking it to Booker,
• 25:53
  like, the entire. Time.
• 25:53
  The entire time. End of the match?
• 25:56
  End of the match. Coming back, coming back, coming
• 25:58
  back. Do you see this just gets
• 25:59
  frustrated? How about the blue DX guy in the
• 26:02
  front row? Gives him like a fossil.
• 26:05
  Suck it. Like a really good one.
• 26:07
  We talked about people doing bad suck.
• 26:09
  It's this guy. It's very graphic.
• 26:11
  Almost the way he calls. Brett's like probably like, God
• 26:14
  damn it, I can't like. Get away.
• 26:15
  I can't get away from this. And did you hear today mention
• 26:19
  Stu Hart and the Dungeon at one point?
• 26:21
  He did. He did.
• 26:23
  Yeah. He was still dead.
• 26:26
  I I make this today. We die alone.
• 26:29
  You know, I was surprised when he found himself a good woman.
• 26:33
  You know, it's an expression in in Canada for someone that you
• 26:38
  know, like make you you think he's going to die alone one day.
• 26:42
  So he sleeps with, you know, mannequins, you know, like the,
• 26:47
  the inanimated objects. Yeah.
• 26:53
  Still, I'm glad. I'm glad today for like today
• 26:59
  he's going to come get us, man, we're in trouble.
• 27:01
  Brett Hart gets disqualified, right?
• 27:04
  He works works Booker T in the corner with his classic 97, you
• 27:08
  know Figure 4 off the the post. While he's laying on the
• 27:12
  outside, he continues to work on on the the leg of Booker T.
• 27:18
  Referees ringing the bell trying to get him to stop.
• 27:20
  Brett's not listening, just keeps going and finally Stevie
• 27:25
  Ray walks out to the ring. Brett breaks the hold.
• 27:29
  Stevie Ray checks on Booker and helps him in the back.
• 27:32
  I thought this whole thing was really weird.
• 27:34
  Like again, being in the dark about www.cw at the time.
• 27:40
  Were these two like like ready to feud?
• 27:43
  Stevie Ray and Booker T, because he doesn't come to, like, save
• 27:46
  him. That's like the body language
• 27:48
  you're getting right, clearly. Like he didn't run out to the
• 27:51
  ring. Booker's been on this like
• 27:53
  singles run, right? Why?
• 27:55
  That's what I thought. Yeah, Stevie's like, wants to be
• 27:58
  like the tag team and thinks Booker's being like this, like
• 28:02
  selfish guy now. Yeah, selfish.
• 28:04
  And shortly after this, Stevie Ray joins N.W.A.
• 28:07
  Okay. That's what I I thought
• 28:09
  something was going on because it's just very weird.
• 28:12
  He, like, cares about Booker but doesn't really care about him.
• 28:15
  It's it's super odd. I want to say quick on not this
• 28:20
  is all pure speculation, but obviously Brett was undone by a
• 28:24
  concussion right from the kick by Goldberg, right, but the
• 28:28
  Booker T axe kick at the back of the.
• 28:31
  Head too looks like looks. Pretty brutal in my mind.
• 28:35
  So I don't know if it's. It's just like, obviously it's
• 28:37
  not. I don't think it's ever one hit
• 28:38
  with these people like football players.
• 28:40
  Same thing like, so like, but that's what I mean.
• 28:43
  Goldberg gets so much heat, but like this guy has taken a ton of
• 28:47
  punishment and it's probably just the.
• 28:48
  Toll of everything. And it finally has to be, you
• 28:51
  know. Wolverine Person.
• 28:54
  Yes, like that guy whose name shall not be named.
• 28:57
  Brett Brett takes up a couple of nasty bumps and yeah, I don't,
• 29:00
  they're probably like landing on a pillow, but he's just so
• 29:04
  frigging good that it looks so nasty, man.
• 29:07
  Like, yeah, he takes a hip toss over the top to the outside.
• 29:10
  It looks like he busts his face on the side of the apron like
• 29:13
  that was one of them. He takes another big chair shot
• 29:16
  at some point to. I'm sorry, that's not true.
• 29:20
  He takes another big shot on the outside of the of the ring that
• 29:24
  looks really nasty. But the chair shot that I was
• 29:27
  talking about was Brett delivered it to Booker to end it
• 29:30
  and like he takes a full out baseball swing at this dude as
• 29:34
  he's taken a, you know, a suicide dive out the out to the
• 29:37
  outside. It was Brett.
• 29:40
  But for all of the joking and for all of the shtick that I
• 29:42
  have fun with, like he is tremendous in the ring and this
• 29:46
  It shows in this match. And Booker T obviously is no
• 29:49
  slouch, but the two of them in the ring together was extremely
• 29:52
  entertaining. Why don't you go first, Matt,
• 29:56
  I'm curious where you put this. I I I I have a feeling I'm going
• 30:00
  to be low on this, but it was because I felt like this was the
• 30:03
  point of the card where I started to dwindle.
• 30:06
  Like this was my falloff point and I gave it 2 1/2 cans in the
• 30:10
  cooler. And the reason why was that it
• 30:12
  didn't keep my full attention. It was good action in the ring,
• 30:15
  but I just wasn't invested in it.
• 30:18
  I enjoyed. What there was the two of them
• 30:22
  together should be a dream match like we talked about, like low
• 30:25
  key, like under the under the radar.
• 30:27
  Putting these two in the ring together could have been magic
• 30:30
  and it was short and it just didn't keep my attention and I
• 30:35
  was more or less planning out how I can dig into Bret Hart
• 30:39
  more than anything else. Yeah, I'm going to piggyback on
• 30:41
  you. I'm giving it.
• 30:42
  I gave it a 2.75, and really it's just for the novelty of
• 30:46
  seeing these two together in the ring.
• 30:48
  Because otherwise it's nothing special and it should be more
• 30:51
  yeah. Yeah.
• 30:53
  Yeah, I gave it a 2.75. Also, you know, I did notice
• 30:59
  that maybe the first ever spinner Rooney, I'm not quite
• 31:03
  sure. No, no, they were.
• 31:05
  They talk about it. Yeah, they were talking about it
• 31:08
  and that was part of the selling from Booker T about how he was
• 31:11
  targeting his legs and Bret Hart was and.
• 31:14
  Going through and he he wasn't doing those breakdance moves as
• 31:18
  Bobby Heenan calls it and he wasn't spinning up from from
• 31:22
  these. And even when he did do the
• 31:23
  spinner Rooney, he wasn't coming to a full like kneeling part
• 31:28
  where he where he usually does So.
• 31:30
  It was like part of the storytelling here which isn't
• 31:33
  surprising for for Brett and I I I do have to admit that like
• 31:36
  just black, white and pink gear that he has on is is pretty
• 31:40
  awesome. Like if these were chalk lines
• 31:42
  they would be an instant purchase.
• 31:44
  Even from me. I gave it 2 1/2 as well.
• 31:48
  I I often talk, I talk about like how I'm legit interested in
• 31:53
  a lot of these guys that we've watched and watching their
• 31:55
  earlier portion of their career, especially like outside of WWF.
• 32:02
  But this is like the opposite for me.
• 32:04
  I have a hard time watching Brett outside of WWF.
• 32:07
  It's just it it doesn't resonate with me.
• 32:09
  It's it's it's jarring. It's weird.
• 32:12
  It's. I think it's as weird as seeing
• 32:14
  like the other obvious one is Red and Yellow Hogan, right?
• 32:19
  Sure, Nwo Hogan's like their own thing.
• 32:20
  They created that. That's fine.
• 32:22
  But So which leads me to a quick question for you guys, which
• 32:25
  would be more jarring to see out of the other two big guys that
• 32:29
  never went over there, Undertaker and Shawn Michaels,
• 32:32
  which would be like I. Don't know.
• 32:35
  Michael side Michael No, no. Way I think Michaels would have.
• 32:40
  I think Michaels would have figured out a way to fit in.
• 32:42
  He would have fit right next to his boys in the click.
• 32:45
  He would have been part of nwo. He would have had a stupid
• 32:48
  kangle hat on backwards and he would have been dancing like
• 32:51
  sexy boy. Already does that in that, Yeah,
• 32:53
  WWE. Exactly.
• 32:54
  It would really. Involve in him now.
• 32:56
  It fits right in. And there's no way that Mark
• 32:59
  Calloway in any way, shape or form, Undertaker in any way,
• 33:04
  shape or form fits into WCW. Yeah, me Mark Callus.
• 33:07
  Yeah, there's no way that that dude comes back and fits into
• 33:10
  WCW. Sean immediately fits into NWO
• 33:14
  because those are his boys. That's the click.
• 33:16
  It's the curtain call. It's a seamless transition where
• 33:20
  Undertaker has no place in WCW. None.
• 33:24
  Good answer. I like it.
• 33:27
  Well said. All right, before we move on to
• 33:31
  the last two matches of this card, we've got to talk about
• 33:33
  what's in Everybody's cooler. Real quick, Melter .75 as well,
• 33:38
  and he was talking about how the this angle set up Booker T's
• 33:44
  absence due to arthroscopic knee surgery from a torn meniscus and
• 33:48
  a second grade tier of his medial collateral ligament, and
• 33:51
  he should be out of action for four to six weeks.
• 33:54
  Wow, what's in the cooler? What's in the Cooler?
• 33:57
  Extra Cooler Show and what's in the cooler is brought to you and
• 34:00
  and sponsored by Sloop Brewing Company.
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  I've got tequila, tequila, and Club.
• 34:17
  So cheers. What do you guys got?
• 34:19
  I brought back my old style pilsner, which is that this is
• 34:22
  too hard. Saskatchewan Pilsner, who's the
• 34:24
  last one? This is from February I believe.
• 34:26
  So I finally drank this thing because I felt like, you know,
• 34:30
  and it's obviously Stu's having some problems.
• 34:32
  He's caught up on the mannequins and Mike Tenay, so if we could
• 34:37
  shake out of it. Michael, we're great.
• 34:40
  I have a Miller High Life champagne of beers.
• 34:45
  Here we go. The first High Life appearance
• 34:48
  on the show. Yeah, it may be that's it's the
• 34:52
  clear bottle. Like for somebody that's a beer
• 34:55
  nerd that like, I hate green bottles.
• 34:58
  I hate clear bottles. There's some because it lets too
• 35:01
  much light in. That's why most companies have
• 35:02
  gone to cans, because it doesn't let light in.
• 35:05
  But like, there's something about a Miller High life in a
• 35:08
  clear bottle that's just tremendous.
• 35:10
  It just fits, just goes. Down.
• 35:12
  It's so the summer especially, just like at a BBQ.
• 35:16
  Got to be ice cold though. Yeah.
• 35:19
  Right. Right out the cooler with ice
• 35:21
  that's melted a little in a bottle.
• 35:23
  Can't do the can. Oh yeah.
• 35:24
  Can't do the can. Totally.
• 35:26
  Man. I I'm going to have to go find
• 35:28
  some high life. I don't think my normal beer guy
• 35:30
  has high life in in in bottles. Is it like a is it like a
• 35:35
  grocery store? Grocery.
• 35:36
  Yes. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Grocery store score for sure. I I went off to my beer guy.
• 35:40
  I went to go knock on his door. I went inside the cooler.
• 35:43
  I. Found a bomb.
• 35:46
  I found a bomb box. Yeah, I've got it in my Yeti.
• 35:48
  I didn't take the black top off of the Yeti but I have a citru
• 35:51
  bomb from Sloop. Our buddies over there 6 1/2
• 35:54
  percenter their bomb box. Like I said it's got montuka,
• 35:59
  it's got citru, regular juice bomb and one more.
• 36:07
  I'm blowing it. I am blowing it.
• 36:08
  I'm forgetting the 4th but citrus my favorite so.
• 36:11
  Cheers. I'm glad you told me that it's
• 36:14
  been announced Montuka be calling it Motueka all this
• 36:17
  time. Yeah, Motueka pops.
• 36:19
  It's even better. So cheers fellas.
• 36:22
  All right, back to the action. We've got a double main event.
• 36:25
  I think that's what they're trying to promote.
• 36:27
  Twice the buffer, baby. Twice the buffer.
• 36:31
  Oh boy. So like this is no wonder Nick
• 36:32
  is having problems with this. It's like buffer Goldbergs here.
• 36:37
  Malfunctioning. We've got, we've got a video
• 36:40
  package which showcases Goldberg beating Hulk Hogan for the title
• 36:44
  last Monday on Nitro. It's like such an awful, like
• 36:49
  this company has so much money right now.
• 36:51
  They're like winning the war. And these are the promos that
• 36:55
  they're putting out. It's doing absolutely it.
• 36:58
  It makes the whole thing makes no sense.
• 37:01
  Hogan's talking about something like.
• 37:04
  As they're replaying highlights of Goldberg, like facing Scott
• 37:08
  Hall, I I don't understand this. And like, was Scott Hall in the
• 37:13
  red and black at this point? Like, what God's name is going
• 37:16
  on? So.
• 37:17
  So they were talking about how Hogan was sending an NWO brother
• 37:22
  to take out Goldberg. And it was.
• 37:25
  It was Scott Hall, right? I think.
• 37:27
  Oh, OK Paul. Yeah, Paul, this is it was.
• 37:30
  Black and white though. This is why my.
• 37:33
  Why is he in all red and black? Is earning his $0.00 a week that
• 37:36
  we pay us on this podcast. Because him coming through with
• 37:40
  this like WCW history knowledge is very, very impressive.
• 37:44
  I'm not gonna lie. I don't I the video package is
• 37:49
  awful if you ask me it. Was.
• 37:51
  You're highlighting what's supposed to be this monumental
• 37:54
  moment in this company, and it's it's just, I don't know.
• 38:00
  There's no audio. That mean there's there's some
• 38:03
  audio. Well, yeah, but it's not like
• 38:05
  anything of value. But.
• 38:07
  I mean. It's nothing that's telling any
• 38:09
  story, put it that way. The way Hogan reverts back to
• 38:15
  his his red and red and red and yellow right.
• 38:18
  We were talking pasta mania. He he can't say ass.
• 38:23
  He has to say I'm gonna kick Goldberg's.
• 38:27
  Yeah, there's the pause. But I have it.
• 38:30
  I have it. Let's play it.
• 38:31
  Can we play it? I want to play it.
• 38:32
  There's not much from the second-half of this card that's
• 38:35
  audio worthy, but this, this is. I enjoy it.
• 38:42
  Goldbergs. Bots, Bots.
• 38:47
  Bots. Bots.
• 38:50
  We watched that live, right? And we cracked off.
• 38:53
  We, like, laughed so hard, like, ah, WCW.
• 38:57
  Watching my bedroom in my parents house.
• 39:00
  What's even funnier, though, is like he's got his whole shtick
• 39:03
  as he like, walks to the ring because that's when that
• 39:06
  happened and he, like, enunciates with his.
• 39:09
  Body yes. He.
• 39:11
  Starts. He starts off so hard but like.
• 39:16
  I'm going to kick Goldbergs. And they gave it away in Free
• 39:20
  TV. Yeah.
• 39:21
  Yeah. Yeah, on Nitro, so, so here
• 39:27
  we've got Michael Buffer in the ring and.
• 39:31
  Do you think he or me and Jean were pissed at the other for
• 39:34
  stealing the other's jacket? Like they're both wearing the
• 39:37
  same thing? It could be like, what's that
• 39:39
  Danny's Vito Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?
• 39:41
  Twins. Like two of them on the cover,
• 39:43
  like side by side and white jackets.
• 39:46
  Hey, artists, get it done, man. Those two are probably out in
• 39:49
  old San Diego The. Night before.
• 39:50
  I'm sure they probably like let's wear the white jackets.
• 39:53
  Like they're probably I was the last step I remember.
• 39:56
  Yeah. Is what me and Jean said.
• 39:58
  But no, even he makes a comment about it.
• 40:00
  He goes. How did Buffer get in the suit
• 40:02
  that Oakland? I wonder how do you get that
• 40:06
  suit from Oakland so good he is dealing?
• 40:09
  With this area. So Next up we've got Goldberg
• 40:12
  facing off against Kurt Henning in the singles match, which we
• 40:15
  talked about how this was supposed to be.
• 40:19
  They were supposed to be in A tag team match for.
• 40:22
  You know, with Kevin Green and Paul White or Big Show Giant,
• 40:25
  whatever you want to call him, Kurt Henning comes out here.
• 40:30
  He's got a Goldberg shirt folded up.
• 40:32
  It's the classic like who's next with that dog shit, you know,
• 40:35
  tattoo that he's got on his arm and he's holding it up and he
• 40:39
  unfolds it and he said it's like a piece of duct tape and it says
• 40:44
  Goldberg on it. It's.
• 40:46
  It's good. Good.
• 40:47
  Kurt Henning, I'll give you that.
• 40:48
  It's good Kurt hanging. Except the thing that bothers me
• 40:51
  at this point is now we've heard the NWO black and white music
• 40:53
  for the 18th time. This is hard, right?
• 40:55
  Like yes. Oh my God, it's like enough's
• 40:58
  enough, right? Agree.
• 40:59
  And but also he's not. He doesn't have the trunks fully
• 41:02
  pulled up, right. He's got like the both straps
• 41:04
  down. But these tights, they're the
• 41:06
  classic Henning Mr. Perfect tights.
• 41:08
  Right. Like the basic two color.
• 41:11
  And it's black and white, which you never saw in WWF.
• 41:15
  And it's kind of it's, it's a nice little touch on his
• 41:18
  character, I think. Agreed.
• 41:20
  He looks jacked here too. Yes, I thought the same thing.
• 41:23
  He's always been like a like fit dude, but he looks massive here,
• 41:29
  just like just jacked like. Physique was topnotch for for
• 41:33
  Kurt Henning. That's probably why he never
• 41:35
  pulled the straps up, because he just looked incredible.
• 41:39
  Yeah, right. He looks, I think he looks like,
• 41:41
  honestly, like WWF. Unhealthy, puffy, you know,
• 41:45
  like, I don't know. I think he's.
• 41:47
  It was like a teetering to me. He never like looked ripped, but
• 41:52
  to me he looked bigger, yeah, but not pudgy like when he comes
• 41:57
  back to WWF after. This fair enough.
• 41:59
  Fair enough. OK, so before Goldberg comes
• 42:03
  out. Can you guys just look at your
• 42:05
  phones for a second? Because I'm sure I wonder if we
• 42:09
  have these people in our notes together.
• 42:11
  I sent you a picture of the two people in the crowd and they are
• 42:17
  the most interesting. Notes they are.
• 42:19
  Two of the most interesting people.
• 42:21
  They're sitting front row in the corner.
• 42:24
  They both have like, cut off Goldberg shirts.
• 42:26
  On I wrote Mon. PA Goldberg.
• 42:28
  I have. I have been wanting to talk
• 42:30
  about these the entire episode. So of I.
• 42:33
  Where they fit in this is beautiful.
• 42:36
  This dude's this dude's mullet is next.
• 42:39
  Level man. OK, so.
• 42:41
  So, OK, let's talk about Kurt Henning.
• 42:43
  Kurt Henning at the end of any match, any good match that he
• 42:46
  wrestles particularly, let's talk Brett, Brett Hart, Summer
• 42:50
  Slam 1991. His hair gets dried out and it
• 42:53
  gets super puffy. So it looks like he, this guy in
• 42:57
  the crowd has Kurt Henning hair. Like it is the biggest, the
• 43:01
  largest, puffiest mullet I think I have ever seen in my entire
• 43:05
  life. During the Eddie Guerrero match,
• 43:09
  Eddie and Chavo go to the outside and Eddie has a classic
• 43:14
  mullet in this in 1998, right? And this dude in the front row
• 43:19
  like flicks his mullet at Eddie Guerrero.
• 43:21
  Like, look, I have to say there is you.
• 43:24
  It is. It is tremendous.
• 43:26
  It is absolutely tremendous. There is a time spot for these
• 43:29
  guys. So if anybody is listening along
• 43:32
  and wants to see who in the we are talking about go to one
• 43:37
  hour, 51 minutes and 15 seconds and you are going to see these.
• 43:41
  They look like they could be potentially twins.
• 43:43
  They have the same facial structure like this dude has the
• 43:47
  biggest he you know who. He looks at Why can't I think of
• 43:50
  the guy who plays Garth? Entertainer Carvey.
• 43:54
  Carvey. He's got a little Dana Carvey to
• 43:56
  his. Face.
• 43:56
  He totally does, but he has, he has and this is going to be
• 43:59
  Super New York. He has a little bit of Brett
• 44:02
  Gardner head where it like like balloons, balloons out.
• 44:06
  It's like a light bulb shaped head.
• 44:09
  He definitely has that and she just has this little Bob
• 44:13
  haircut. But they look the same in this.
• 44:15
  It's just the gold font Goldberg across their chests and both of
• 44:19
  them look so happy. That Goldberg is about to come
• 44:22
  to the ring. Like these two are tremendous.
• 44:25
  And I I am so thankful that you brought it up and that we can
• 44:27
  talk about these two knuckleheads.
• 44:29
  And we've now spoken more about these two than this actual match
• 44:33
  will last, unfortunately, because this match goes 3
• 44:37
  minutes and 50 seconds and. You found a way out of the
• 44:41
  Goldberg match. It might.
• 44:42
  It might actually be Goldberg's best match because.
• 44:46
  Of who he's facing, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:49
  I haven't watched many Goldberg matches and given a shit.
• 44:52
  This one, I was like, how is Kurt Henning not going to be,
• 44:58
  you know, destroyed? And at one point towards the
• 45:01
  end, he's getting tossed around, but he like, he scoops
• 45:05
  Goldberg's leg and then starts working Goldberg's knee.
• 45:08
  And then at that moment is when I loathe Bill Goldberg even more
• 45:14
  than I did. Yesterday, before I watched this
• 45:17
  match because Goldberg gets his knee, his his left knee
• 45:22
  absolutely destroyed, obliterated, and he completely
• 45:27
  no sells the shit out of it, right.
• 45:30
  He like somehow reverses a move that that Kurt Henning does and
• 45:34
  he doesn't hobble. He doesn't do anything on that
• 45:37
  leg or or ankle, whatever it is to sell that anything's been
• 45:42
  done to it and this guy is the. The the He's awful.
• 45:47
  He's yeah, he's my least favorite wrestler of all time.
• 45:50
  That that is the Goldberg story right there.
• 45:53
  Like he he's just impenetrable. Right.
• 45:55
  He literally gets what happens and and no cells.
• 45:59
  All this work that Kurt Henning did to the leg.
• 46:02
  Is he while? He's The Ultimate Warrior,
• 46:04
  basically, right? He's like the WC.
• 46:06
  It feels. Worse.
• 46:08
  Yeah, I think it's worse. I think it's worse.
• 46:10
  Thought. Of Henning is selling his ass
• 46:13
  off for Goldberg. Yeah, and he's got the barrel
• 46:16
  roll in that first, like kiss, right?
• 46:18
  Like he goes the. Shoulder block.
• 46:19
  He does the 360. I'm like, damn Kurt.
• 46:22
  This is the latter day heading to like it's not young heading.
• 46:26
  The point that pisses me off is he gets his leg worked for a
• 46:29
  while like a lot and. He gets up, he hits a perfect
• 46:34
  spear and then he does that stupid shit where he, like jumps
• 46:38
  up and lands on both of his legs and goes like coughs up a
• 46:42
  hairball and and and then like you wouldn't be able to do that
• 46:46
  if if someone just destroyed your knee like that.
• 46:48
  Goes full snorf. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:50
  Full SNORF. Oh, and then we didn't.
• 46:54
  We didn't even talk about how stupid this guy is that he's
• 46:58
  backstage headbutting the goddamn locker.
• 47:02
  All right. If if there's one thing about
• 47:04
  Goldberg when he comes out and he does his entrance and he has
• 47:08
  the big gold belt on, he it looks tremendous.
• 47:12
  I'll give you that. And all of the fireworks come
• 47:14
  and he's engulfed in this whatever, and he's blowing it
• 47:18
  out his nose. What?
• 47:18
  About the little scam on his forehead because he because he's
• 47:21
  head butting things in the backyard, you date it.
• 47:25
  I feel like I. Stumbled into Dave Chappelle's
• 47:28
  Like Player Haters ball here. Hey, hey, hey.
• 47:34
  Like any actual, any actual wrestling fan can't walk away
• 47:38
  and say that they like Bill Goldberg.
• 47:44
  We are 47 minutes into the second episode of Bash at the
• 47:48
  Beach here. We went over an hour in the
• 47:50
  first one. So that's what, 2 hours worth of
• 47:53
  content? And we are finally on the same
• 47:55
  page for the very first time. Bill Goldberg is bringing us
• 47:58
  together. This is bringing.
• 48:00
  Us back together, brother. I just hate this guy.
• 48:04
  I hate him. Get him off my TV, get him off
• 48:06
  my screen, get him off anything. All right, what's your cans in
• 48:09
  the cooler? Zero.
• 48:11
  No. You know why?
• 48:12
  Respectfully, because Curt Henning is involved in this
• 48:15
  match I I gave it. One can in the cooler because as
• 48:19
  I said earlier, I can't give it lower than the main event.
• 48:23
  Yeah, I give it 1 1/2 just because of Kurt.
• 48:25
  Honestly, he sold his ass off for Goldberg.
• 48:28
  He looked good doing it. And yeah, 1 1/2.
• 48:33
  All Kurt. I gave it it to, I don't know,
• 48:36
  it's a title match. I didn't even know when I turned
• 48:40
  this pay-per-view on. Honestly, I didn't even know.
• 48:42
  I was like, wow, Kurt Henning versus Goldberg for the title.
• 48:45
  That's kind of cool on paper, right?
• 48:47
  It sounds good. And Mr. Perfect is here and he's
• 48:52
  in a match, so I don't know. But I'm with you.
• 48:54
  I'm not a Goldberg guy whatsoever.
• 48:56
  So this is garbage. I gave it to.
• 49:00
  Panic sells the spear perfectly. Dash, of course, is what my
• 49:03
  notes said. So Meltzer gave it one and he he
• 49:07
  pointed out something that I noticed as well.
• 49:09
  I had it in my notes. We didn't talk about it earlier
• 49:11
  but when Goldberg comes out they are absolutely pumping the
• 49:16
  Goldberg chance in. So to to quote Meltzer from the
• 49:20
  from the newsletter. When they showed a big crowd
• 49:22
  shot while piping in the chant the the Goldberg, you can again
• 49:27
  see that nobody was chanting the name.
• 49:30
  It was exactly what you'd expect.
• 49:34
  So even even during 1998, Meltzer gets that Goldberg is a
• 49:38
  joke. So this.
• 49:40
  Is another reason why I hated him this.
• 49:43
  Is not. I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 49:45
  No, there was, I was going to say there's one other thing
• 49:47
  here. He comes in at 111 and O.
• 49:50
  And he is announced as the W excuse me, he is announced as
• 49:53
  the nwo WCW Heavyweight Champion of the world.
• 49:58
  Like, I didn't remember that they announced the titles that
• 50:01
  way as the like joint brand. Like I knew it got like billing
• 50:05
  that way, but I never realized that they labeled the
• 50:08
  championship that way, that as well, which I thought was crazy.
• 50:11
  It was a bad idea on their part. So here's another question I
• 50:14
  have for you about Bill Goldberg went through Wcw's Head.
• 50:19
  Right. And when they said when they saw
• 50:22
  this guy and we can have a long conversation about this, but
• 50:24
  this is what always pissed me off about him and the booking in
• 50:27
  WCW, right? Stone cold is red hot.
• 50:31
  He's bald. He's got a goddamn goatee.
• 50:33
  He wears black trunks. He wears black boots, he wears
• 50:36
  all black. You're going to let this guy
• 50:39
  come in and say, hey, you're bald, you got to go Tea.
• 50:42
  That's cool. Hey, maybe wear some red trunks.
• 50:45
  Why not? Maybe wear some white trunks.
• 50:46
  Maybe. Let's put a logo on your ass.
• 50:49
  I don't know, something like to me, it's just lazy.
• 50:52
  It's. I don't know.
• 50:53
  From What do you mean he had a tribal tattoo?
• 50:56
  That's true. He did he.
• 50:58
  Every other guy had. He had that that tribal tattoo
• 51:02
  on his ass for a little while. Yeah, but that's after you're
• 51:05
  all this. It's just.
• 51:06
  Legal right? It, sorry.
• 51:09
  I just don't. I really don't appreciate or
• 51:11
  like anything this man did for the business.
• 51:14
  This is this is you know us looking at it through WWE lens
• 51:18
  but like it's definitely it definitely felt that way for
• 51:22
  sure. And there were people that you
• 51:24
  would show them pictures of Goldberg and they would say Oh
• 51:27
  yeah there's still cold like it was like a shtick it was a joke
• 51:31
  at that point. So I totally get I totally get
• 51:34
  it and I think that we're just. Paul stalling here because we
• 51:37
  don't want to talk about the main because we've talked about
• 51:39
  Goldberg. For wait, hold on one more quick
• 51:41
  on that note, You know what's really funny?
• 51:43
  I was just on vacation with my wife's family and her brother.
• 51:47
  My wife has a picture with Goldberg in 1998 from, like,
• 51:50
  somewhere in Florida at a department store.
• 51:51
  I don't know Sears or something, but her brother's like, Oh yeah,
• 51:56
  I went to some photo thing with a wrestler.
• 51:58
  I think it was like Goldberg. I was like, I mean he's like, I
• 52:01
  think it was stone cold Mike. No, Goldberg was the other bald
• 52:04
  guy with Go see. Just to your point, right?
• 52:08
  Yeah. Yeah, so we have now talked and
• 52:11
  name dropped in these two episodes.
• 52:14
  We have name dropped Macy's, JC Penney.
• 52:18
  You just got Sears, We mentioned very Northeastern, Caldor and
• 52:23
  even more Northeastern James Way.
• 52:25
  So we've got 5. I threw pergaments in there.
• 52:28
  Pergaments. Now we've got for good measure
• 52:30
  pergaments and. I should say Stu was actually
• 52:33
  supposed to talk about Giant Tiger before, which is a
• 52:36
  Canadian department store in Alberta, Canada.
• 52:40
  But he he dropped the ball. He's, you know Stu how Stu gets
• 52:43
  sometimes. All right, so we are.
• 52:45
  Real quick, real quick, better underfeated streak.
• 52:47
  Goldberg or Tatonka? Tatonka easily.
• 52:53
  Man, that is what the Tavern would call Fed Brain.
• 52:59
  God, that's Okay. It's okay guys.
• 53:02
  It's gonna be all right. We got.
• 53:04
  We got our main event here, we've got.
• 53:06
  It's not gonna be all right. We have the main event.
• 53:07
  Okay. So we haven't, we haven't spoken
• 53:10
  about this and I I actually lost track of it in my notes.
• 53:12
  I think I had it in last episodes and I didn't bring it
• 53:15
  up. They talked heavily about this
• 53:18
  in the first like in the in the intro of this pay-per-view how
• 53:24
  there's so much media there and I felt.
• 53:27
  Like the calls on every one of these matches were super dumbed
• 53:31
  down, right? Like they almost it was actually
• 53:34
  probably the smartest thing they did.
• 53:36
  But watching back it was extremely obnoxious because I
• 53:39
  felt like they were talking to the crowd as if they knew a lot
• 53:43
  of non wrestling fans were watching every move with felt
• 53:47
  dumbed down. Every like play by play felt
• 53:50
  super like saturated it. It just, I don't know it.
• 53:55
  It was like they were trying to make a bigger deal out of this
• 53:58
  event than looking back at it. Played off.
• 54:02
  I I don't know. That's just me.
• 54:03
  Because of the history of Hogan to turn in, yeah, a couple years
• 54:08
  ago. Yeah, but not only that, like
• 54:09
  the fact that they have like these two guys who are just in
• 54:12
  the NBA Finals together, well in their main event.
• 54:15
  Hey, Karl Malone's gonna be on the Payperview.
• 54:17
  Let's buy it right. Find the whole Cogan.
• 54:19
  Yeah. Yeah, right.
• 54:21
  I don't know. So how?
• 54:22
  Many people did that, but. And we've got we are two hours
• 54:25
  into this pay-per-view and we've got our main event and it's
• 54:27
  Hollywood Hogan and Dennis Rodman with The Disciple facing
• 54:31
  off against Diamond Dallas Page and Karl Malone.
• 54:35
  I've talked about how much WCW does a piss poor job of their
• 54:39
  video packages. The worst one.
• 54:41
  But this one is the worst one on the card.
• 54:44
  It is literally just music dubbed over highlights of like
• 54:49
  these guys and their. There's like no feud or no, it's
• 54:52
  no voice. Over there's yeah, no voice.
• 54:54
  Over. Like, Can you imagine this in
• 54:57
  WWF? Oh my God.
• 54:58
  Saying you know what, Don't say anything, just let it to go
• 55:01
  silent. No, no Jr. or anything, right?
• 55:05
  Nope. Like I said before, WF just had
• 55:07
  just photos. Dyson and Austin.
• 55:09
  Dyson and Austin like do something here.
• 55:12
  Geez. It's yeah, it's bad.
• 55:13
  Photos, photos and videos and and music.
• 55:17
  Someone made it on like some shitty like like.
• 55:20
  I I don't even know what program was being used in 1998 on PC's
• 55:25
  back then, but it it was not good.
• 55:28
  Not good at all. So this is all like a publicity
• 55:32
  stunt this match. Rodman Malone, like I said,
• 55:35
  we're at the top of the NBA. They they were just in the
• 55:37
  finals. They squared off in the Finals
• 55:41
  the previous two seasons. It was all purely coincidence
• 55:45
  that this all happened. The two of them play the same
• 55:48
  position too. So like they were for those of
• 55:51
  you that aren't NBA fans, like in 1998 the Bulls played the
• 55:55
  Jazz in the Finals and the two of them are literally facing off
• 55:59
  on the court and then they brought it to the ring.
• 56:02
  Like it's it's genius when you really think about it, that they
• 56:05
  could pull this off because Malone is obviously a W, is is
• 56:09
  obviously a wrestling fan and and Rodzilla is just perfect
• 56:14
  fitting with Hogan. And on top of that, another
• 56:18
  layer, like outside of wrestling, like I I can remember
• 56:22
  watching, Mike said. I was a Bulls fan.
• 56:24
  I watched this very closely and these two couldn't be more polar
• 56:29
  opposites. Like, yes, Karl Malone is the
• 56:32
  kind of basketball player that your father would tell you as a
• 56:35
  kid. Like watch that guy and be like
• 56:39
  that guy in any sport you play. Like, you know, no matter what
• 56:43
  sport you play, act the way that Karl Malone acts.
• 56:46
  It's like he was just like a classy guy.
• 56:47
  Like white, like meat, baby. Well, that's.
• 56:50
  What you call that white meat baby face?
• 56:52
  You know what I'm saying? No, no, I know what you're
• 56:54
  saying. Yeah, but he's dealing with the
• 56:55
  lawsuit. You guys can look that online
• 56:57
  after there. Yeah.
• 56:58
  Yes. I'm very sordid things here.
• 57:02
  Yes. But I know but at the time.
• 57:05
  Did not know at the time. Yeah, at the mailman.
• 57:07
  He's the mailman. He's the mailman and he looks.
• 57:10
  He looks incredible by the way. He looks like a wrestler.
• 57:13
  He's like. What about the purple pants?
• 57:17
  That's awesome. That's the best part is that he
• 57:19
  comes out with in matching gear of DDP.
• 57:23
  But before we get there, we're not going to even talk about
• 57:26
  Michael Buffer too much that I already mentioned his name and
• 57:28
  that's enough for me. No, for for what it's worth,
• 57:32
  they Michael Buffer actually sells this match.
• 57:36
  In a tremendous way. And I don't care.
• 57:38
  I am going to hit play on this because I think he does that
• 57:41
  good of a job and he immediately made I sat there and yes, I'm
• 57:46
  I'm looking like a complete psychopath right now because I'm
• 57:48
  saying what I'm saying. But the way that he sold this
• 57:51
  match, it took it from am I really going to watch this to oh
• 57:55
  man, maybe I'm going to really watch this.
• 57:56
  So I'm I'm just going to hit play.
• 57:58
  I'm just going to hit play and and I will take the heat
• 58:01
  afterwards. Ladies and gentlemen, from the
• 58:03
  bash at the beach. This is the final match of the
• 58:08
  evening A tag team matched like no other in the history of
• 58:15
  professional wrestling. A tag team matched bigger than
• 58:20
  any title, trophy, or championship belt.
• 58:28
  This is the kind of match, though, that Michael Buffer is
• 58:30
  appropriate for. 100% He ties in.
• 58:34
  It's bigger than any trophy he's bringing in the NBA.
• 58:37
  It's bigger than any title. It's bigger than any
• 58:39
  championship belt. Like, this dude actually sells
• 58:42
  this match. Like, oh shit, this is a big
• 58:44
  deal. All right, cool.
• 58:45
  I'm actually going to watch what's going to go on like, and
• 58:48
  I I knew the dog shit that I was going to inevitably step in and
• 58:52
  have to clean my shoe off into the into the with the sink for
• 58:57
  like the next 40 minutes. But.
• 59:00
  In the moment he did a good job. Is that?
• 59:02
  How long this match was. Yeah, maybe it feels that way.
• 59:06
  That's you think for sure. Do you think Buffer watches the
• 59:09
  matches after he, like, sells them?
• 59:11
  Oh. No, this dude's done.
• 59:12
  He's out of there. Right.
• 59:14
  Oh, yeah. Oh my God.
• 59:15
  He's out of there. There is OK, so they get in the
• 59:19
  ring, right? They All four men get in the
• 59:23
  ring. Shirts are off.
• 59:24
  Except for Rodzilla, who somehow manages to wear his bandana for
• 59:27
  the entire match. Wait when he wears?
• 59:31
  Glasses the entire match. One second.
• 59:33
  Buffer also says I'm sorry, I couldn't.
• 59:36
  I'd be remiss if I didn't mention it.
• 59:38
  Buffer says that Malone and DDP arrive with no affiliation or
• 59:43
  organization. And do you think John Stockton's
• 59:45
  got like a tear rolling down? He hears that.
• 59:50
  He he they they drop stock like the announcers do talk about
• 59:54
  Stockton at one point, but like they bury them.
• 59:58
  OK, so they get in the ring and it's 207 on the timestamp.
• 1:00:03
  I don't think they have any real like dominance in their move set
• 1:00:07
  like from one side or the other until another like 11 minutes
• 1:00:11
  later. The crowd is is red hot.
• 1:00:15
  Like actually, I'm sorry they're not red hot.
• 1:00:17
  They are pissed. They they are chanting boring at
• 1:00:21
  multiple times throughout this match, which understandably it
• 1:00:26
  is. And then one of the things I
• 1:00:27
  read, there's a rumor that Hogan called that they should wrap
• 1:00:33
  things up 7 minutes early and that the match was supposed to
• 1:00:36
  go like things were supposed to go all full another 7 minutes.
• 1:00:39
  Whoa, God. Whoa.
• 1:00:42
  There has never been a more appropriate time for this.
• 1:00:50
  I I just I couldn't. I can't believe 7 extra minutes.
• 1:00:55
  Can can we just? Second Kelsey grammar in as many
• 1:00:59
  episodes. Well done, Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Well done. So this match?
• 1:01:03
  OK, if you couldn't tell already, none of us really have
• 1:01:07
  anything positive to say about this match.
• 1:01:11
  Right. This match goes 23 minutes and
• 1:01:13
  look at me, 7 seconds, Okay. And I'm going to make this
• 1:01:17
  match. This match somehow managed to
• 1:01:20
  get worse by the way that it ended, right?
• 1:01:24
  You've got Diamond Dallas Page in the match, You've got Hulk
• 1:01:27
  Hogan, you've got Karl Malone, you've got Dennis Rodman.
• 1:01:32
  And somehow. Brutus the fucking Barber
• 1:01:35
  Beefcake is the one who decides to match is.
• 1:01:40
  That the first Nick F bomb on the entire show.
• 1:01:43
  It may be the first F bomb that's not Jim.
• 1:01:46
  Sorry. Nick Wow.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah. Brutus Beefcake decided the
• 1:01:54
  ending of this match. Wait, you're talking about the
• 1:01:56
  same guy we saw in a Mayo pack gymnasium less than a year later
• 1:01:59
  Or a year later? Yes, what the I was I I on it.
• 1:02:05
  It was probably 99 two thousand. So.
• 1:02:08
  So hold on, time out, time out, where I'm I'm Zach Morris saying
• 1:02:11
  this time out. He he does.
• 1:02:15
  He's he is not recognizable as Bruce Barber.
• 1:02:18
  Not at all in 1998. The disciple.
• 1:02:20
  Forwarding A year later and you are seeing this man in a high
• 1:02:25
  school gymnasium in Upper Westchester, NY where?
• 1:02:28
  Dressed as the Barber. Jeb is Carmel.
• 1:02:32
  What is Carmel? Carmel is it.
• 1:02:33
  Is it Putnam County? Regardless.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah, yeah, no, red. And he was red and yellow.
• 1:02:38
  Bruce Barber beefcake. I still have the picture on my
• 1:02:41
  course. WrestleMania 9 Beef, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:44
  It's tremendous. Like in the moment.
• 1:02:47
  In 1998, I had no idea. That was Brutus 100. 00 idea.
• 1:02:54
  Even I went back and I googled the disciple like just to do a
• 1:02:59
  deep dive on him. First of all, it's the best that
• 1:03:02
  that whatever. Ed.
• 1:03:04
  Leslie, is it Ed. Leslie Ed Leslie.
• 1:03:06
  It's it's got to be the best physique he's ever been.
• 1:03:09
  Like best physical shape he's ever been.
• 1:03:11
  He's got the He had to have had a needle in his ass at this
• 1:03:13
  point. He's cut.
• 1:03:16
  He's absolutely cut. You know, but you saved your F
• 1:03:19
  bomb. All these years and even went
• 1:03:22
  through a Goldberg segment and didn't even do enough on there.
• 1:03:25
  You'd saved it for Brutus Beefcake.
• 1:03:27
  Wow. We.
• 1:03:30
  Buried the shit out of that guy. You're like it was just a hit
• 1:03:38
  player. Header's ball and then like
• 1:03:40
  nuclear Holocaust on. Fergus Brutus Beefcake ended
• 1:03:46
  this match like let's like. The main event, yes.
• 1:03:49
  The main event the. Buffer set is more important
• 1:03:51
  than any championship belts or NBA Finals.
• 1:03:54
  Wherever the hell he set. It's it's absolutely it's awful
• 1:03:58
  disciple and and then he's like late, right?
• 1:04:01
  He like almost misses his spot and he takes forever to roll in
• 1:04:05
  the ring hits the page with what is supposed to be his finishing
• 1:04:08
  moves. And Hogan then covers Page picks
• 1:04:13
  up the win after 23 minutes and 40. 7 seconds?
• 1:04:17
  I mean cutter folks, not the stunner.
• 1:04:18
  Wait. No, I'm reading in one of my No.
• 1:04:22
  I googled it. It's called the Jawbreaker.
• 1:04:26
  The Disciples move is called. The jaw breaker.
• 1:04:30
  Yes. Oh, OK.
• 1:04:33
  And yeah, Hogan and Rodman are the winners.
• 1:04:35
  After the match, Malone hits the disciple with another diamond
• 1:04:39
  cutter and tells the referee to raise.
• 1:04:41
  Malone wants his hand raised. Charles Robinson refuses.
• 1:04:46
  Malone then hits him with a diamond cutter like like Karl
• 1:04:50
  Malone is trying to be Stone Cold Steve Austin right here.
• 1:04:54
  I think his dad wants you to be like this guy.
• 1:04:56
  Right. Yeah, I.
• 1:04:58
  Mean So. Much for that, right?
• 1:05:00
  Hogan and Rodman. Will cut everybody tomorrow.
• 1:05:02
  So then here's where, just like none of this ending, I was just
• 1:05:06
  like, please just end. Just go off, give me the
• 1:05:08
  copyright in the bottom corner. And no, we get Hogan and Rodman
• 1:05:12
  walk up the aisle. They're joined by the rest of
• 1:05:14
  the the white and black NWO and Paige and Malone looked it like,
• 1:05:20
  pissed off in the ring. So they decide to climb up
• 1:05:22
  through the crowd. And show goes off as Nw's music
• 1:05:28
  is playing for like 5 minutes. Malone and DDP are in the crowd
• 1:05:33
  doing like the diamond cutters, like hand gestures.
• 1:05:37
  And they look happy. It makes no sense whatsoever.
• 1:05:41
  That's what I thought was the weirdest, is that those two are
• 1:05:43
  celebrating, right? Because like they kick
• 1:05:44
  everybody's ass that you got the squat whatever happened.
• 1:05:47
  Like they they lost Bogus Lee, right?
• 1:05:49
  So But they still whip everybody's ass at the end and
• 1:05:51
  usually they play the faces, Yes, in that instance.
• 1:05:55
  Right. I had the same notes, yeah.
• 1:05:57
  But it's just Hogan Ology 101. Like play my music, brother.
• 1:06:03
  It's awful. Hogan's in the aisle and he's,
• 1:06:05
  he's calling phony Maloney and he's doing like walk like an
• 1:06:08
  Egyptian movement. What?
• 1:06:12
  And the the NWNWO music stops and he's still walking like an
• 1:06:17
  Egyptian down the aisle with 0 music.
• 1:06:20
  It was so uncomfortable to watch these two.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah, it starts over again, but there's like a serious like 10
• 1:06:28
  second cut where there's nothing playing.
• 1:06:31
  It was a shit show, man. Like there's there's nothing,
• 1:06:34
  nothing less than a shit show. And the fact that this went
• 1:06:38
  like, just, yeah, just the match, because.
• 1:06:40
  The. Wikipedia.
• 1:06:41
  Wikipedia shows it as 23 minutes and 47 seconds, but I'm
• 1:06:45
  convinced. That that just means bell to
• 1:06:47
  bell. Like all of the all of the.
• 1:06:50
  Yes, that is. Before it, all of the Gaga.
• 1:06:52
  After it it, it had to have been an hour long.
• 1:06:56
  Of this 2 1/2 hour Payperview, how long was?
• 1:06:58
  It 40 minutes, two hours and 40 minutes I.
• 1:07:01
  Actually. Unbelievable.
• 1:07:03
  The last thing I watched was the entire last segment and it's 40
• 1:07:06
  minutes total, which is a lot. I I seriously started out with
• 1:07:10
  this. And I was taking my normal
• 1:07:12
  amount of notes, and I'm a bulleted list guy.
• 1:07:14
  So like, this list was going on, I'm like trying to like, all
• 1:07:18
  right, cool. Like this happened.
• 1:07:19
  Then this happened. Then this happened.
• 1:07:21
  I try to follow along with Nick, just in case something bad
• 1:07:23
  happens. I can pick up where he left off.
• 1:07:26
  But like, I'm sitting here and I'm going, these notes are
• 1:07:29
  meaningless. They're absolutely meaningless.
• 1:07:31
  And throughout of all of this, nothing happens.
• 1:07:34
  There's nothing of consequence that happens throughout this
• 1:07:37
  entire match. Hogan misses a leg drop and
• 1:07:40
  Meltzer goes Hogan misses perhaps the single most pathetic
• 1:07:43
  leg drop of his entire career on Malone.
• 1:07:45
  Like, that is the level of match that this is, that Dave Meltzer
• 1:07:49
  is even sitting here going. This is.
• 1:07:52
  Shit. It's awful.
• 1:07:53
  Taunting for like 15 minutes. Yeah, this is.
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, not even doing moves. I think, Rod, this is aculars
• 1:08:00
  really terrible. Like everyone involved in this,
• 1:08:03
  it deserves. Like hell, but like Rodman,
• 1:08:06
  although he sells some moves at the end, but like, yeah, he's
• 1:08:09
  like more concerned about keeping his T-shirt looking
• 1:08:11
  good. And it's like, you know, is
• 1:08:13
  that? Here and keeping the bandana on
• 1:08:15
  his head. Razilla.
• 1:08:16
  Sure. Razilla money is pretty major.
• 1:08:18
  It's pretty major. Ted could probably get a grand
• 1:08:20
  for it if he feel bad. Yeah, like.
• 1:08:24
  There is a really nasty spot though, where Rodman is
• 1:08:27
  obviously like misses the misses the spot completely.
• 1:08:31
  He goes for a double leapfrog and then there's something else
• 1:08:34
  that's supposed to happen. But it looks like DDP and Rodman
• 1:08:38
  like clash heads, like the two of them just smack each other
• 1:08:41
  and they both fall down into the corner like it was ugly on top
• 1:08:46
  of it being just bad. I don't even know where to go
• 1:08:51
  from this and like I I didn't even give it a rating.
• 1:08:54
  I just wrote negative cans in the cooler.
• 1:08:56
  Like this is at the end of the night where you're cleaning up,
• 1:08:59
  you're the like. You and Jim are the last
• 1:09:02
  inevitable 2 awake at the end of the night.
• 1:09:04
  Because Jim never sleeps and you're the ones that are
• 1:09:07
  cleaning up all of the fallen soldiers that Mike has taken 1
• 1:09:10
  sip out of and put it down like you're dumping all of these into
• 1:09:14
  the sink at the end of the night.
• 1:09:16
  That is the feeling of watching this match to me.
• 1:09:19
  Wow, that's really good rating. Mine is very similar to that
• 1:09:22
  rating. Mine is the once, I don't know,
• 1:09:25
  it's some party. Once you know you, you go to
• 1:09:28
  grab your beer. But I grabbed the beer.
• 1:09:30
  It wasn't my beer, it was the can.
• 1:09:32
  It was the cigarette butts in it.
• 1:09:35
  And I took a sip and my body just revolted and like chucked
• 1:09:39
  everywhere. That's this, man.
• 1:09:40
  Chucked perfect. Word up all the collective beer
• 1:09:43
  pong cups. But my favorite thing about it
• 1:09:46
  though, is like someone in the beginning of the match.
• 1:09:47
  With or was that cubes? That was you don't even need him
• 1:09:52
  at that point. It's bad enough, but someone has
• 1:09:54
  a sign that says the mailman will deliver this Sunday.
• 1:09:57
  Because famously, Scottie Pippen talked trash to Carl Malone at
• 1:10:02
  the free throw line right the some pivotal game in the NBA
• 1:10:05
  Finals and said the mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays,
• 1:10:08
  which is the the greatest Pride trash talk of all.
• 1:10:11
  Time. And Malone loses again.
• 1:10:14
  Here he pisses. His boss.
• 1:10:15
  One more. Time that's for.
• 1:10:18
  I don't want to say poor Carl Malone, because you know, but
• 1:10:21
  yeah, yeah, that's yeah, cigarette butts in a can.
• 1:10:23
  That's what this is. Totally.
• 1:10:25
  Yeah, like, what do you got? I mean, what else can you say
• 1:10:30
  that hasn't been said? Yes, it's awful.
• 1:10:33
  Disgusting. Do you give it anything over 0?
• 1:10:38
  Do I? Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Is there any redeeming? Is there anything redeeming from
• 1:10:42
  this? Absolutely not.
• 1:10:44
  No. It's.
• 1:10:46
  You know, dirty dishwater. How about Dummy Dell's Hey, why
• 1:10:49
  doesn't Dom and Dell's page get the hate that Shawn Michaels
• 1:10:52
  high Pants Summer slam right nine.
• 1:10:55
  Four. He's an everyday man, that's
• 1:10:57
  why. Okay.
• 1:10:57
  That's his regular look. Yeah, Okay.
• 1:10:59
  All right. He almost feels bad for DDP
• 1:11:02
  having. A common man like Dusty.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah, DDP is does not deserve this.
• 1:11:10
  I don't think Hogan does. Hogan deserves this.
• 1:11:12
  Definitely does. This is 0 cans in the cooler and
• 1:11:15
  I think okay so you guys were dogging on me these last two
• 1:11:20
  episodes, especially last week I think this match.
• 1:11:25
  My problem was when I looked at the card and when I set up our
• 1:11:27
  documents. I put all the matches in and I
• 1:11:30
  looked at this and I saw that it was near 25 minutes long and I I
• 1:11:35
  just from the second I turned on this pay-per-view I had a hard
• 1:11:39
  time getting into it knowing that this thing loomed.
• 1:11:42
  That this shit show loomed at the end.
• 1:11:45
  A 25 minute match of these four guys.
• 1:11:49
  Don't watch it. Have mercy in the soul.
• 1:11:52
  If you watch it, yeah. No, So, so this we're going to
• 1:11:57
  rate the entire card I imagined, but yes.
• 1:11:59
  That's where I was going with it.
• 1:12:01
  This match I mean separate. If you separate yes, don't watch
• 1:12:04
  this match, just just. Strike it from your memory like
• 1:12:07
  there's nothing redeemable about this whatsoever, but if you
• 1:12:11
  separate this match as, it's 45 minutes of 245, so if you take
• 1:12:16
  the first two hours of this, it was really enjoyable.
• 1:12:19
  The last 45 minutes is just erodes whatever they did before
• 1:12:24
  this and it is pathetic. It's pathetic.
• 1:12:27
  So who wants to give it the whole give the whole event,
• 1:12:30
  because we all collectively give this final match 0 Kansas
• 1:12:33
  cooler. Nobody gives it any positive
• 1:12:35
  cans. Right, Zero.
• 1:12:36
  OK. Dave Meltzer gave it a -, 1.25
• 1:12:40
  I. Love that, I'm also gonna say.
• 1:12:41
  Completely swings the other way on.
• 1:12:43
  This I'm gonna. - 1.25. I'm gonna put this out there
• 1:12:47
  like I know we have said one of us here and here, I said. .25
• 1:12:51
  This is negative. I know that one of us has thrown
• 1:12:54
  it out there that that you know this match so and so is is 0
• 1:12:58
  cans in the cooler. But collectively this probably
• 1:13:02
  is the first match we've all collectively given zero cans in
• 1:13:05
  the cooler to and it's a mean of and it's a mean.
• 1:13:08
  Of Al Snow in the head is like Shawn Michaels versus The
• 1:13:11
  Undertaker compared. To this head and shoulders, yes.
• 1:13:14
  So head, head, shoulders, Yeah, that match.
• 1:13:18
  So, so this match this Payperview 1999, who wants to
• 1:13:23
  give it their cans in the cooler and go first?
• 1:13:27
  Well go go. Ahead, you want to go?
• 1:13:30
  I was, I had a little bit more Meltzer here before we before we
• 1:13:33
  move on, he brought up a really interesting point about how they
• 1:13:37
  announced these guys. So Rodman claims to be 6/6.
• 1:13:42
  And Hogan is a few inches shorter than him, but Michael
• 1:13:45
  Buffer calls him calls Hogan 6 foot seven.
• 1:13:49
  Then Rodman is said to be 6 foot 8M.
• 1:13:52
  Tanay then talked about how Rodman led the NBA in in
• 1:13:56
  rebounds even though he's only 6 foot six.
• 1:13:58
  So like none of this matched up that he also talked about how
• 1:14:03
  Karl Malone's sister passed away just a few days before this
• 1:14:06
  match, which garnered some like public publicity here.
• 1:14:11
  And there were questions whether or not this match would even
• 1:14:14
  take place. But Malone still went out there
• 1:14:16
  and and did what he did. But there was something really
• 1:14:20
  telling about this and I'm going to stumble my way through it as
• 1:14:23
  I normally do when I quote things.
• 1:14:24
  But the best thing I can say about Malone is he was better
• 1:14:28
  than a lot of beginners I've seen in their first match who
• 1:14:31
  have had who had had more training.
• 1:14:34
  But I've seen beginners with a lot of better.
• 1:14:37
  For his age, and hell even for any age, he was a hell of a lot.
• 1:14:43
  Excuse me, he has a hell of a I told you I stumbled through it.
• 1:14:47
  He has a hell of a physique. As for Rodman, I think it's
• 1:14:51
  wonderful that wrestling is such a great business that a guy can
• 1:14:55
  score that much money and stink the joint out and still have
• 1:14:59
  people begging for him to do it again at the end because the
• 1:15:03
  media attention which turns into ticket sales.
• 1:15:06
  And when it comes to wrestling, as good or as bad as it gets, at
• 1:15:11
  the bottom line really is economics.
• 1:15:14
  So like he was saying that Malone was really good, he
• 1:15:17
  overperformed. Rodman was a frigging joke, and
• 1:15:21
  it was hilarious that this business is built on ticket
• 1:15:24
  sales because they all want him to do it again.
• 1:15:27
  And I'm sorry I screwed up trying to read 3 beers in so.
• 1:15:30
  I know that's wrestling a nutshell.
• 1:15:32
  Like big guy. Yeah, and I thought it was
• 1:15:35
  really, really telling. Rodman, I got the ticket Magnet.
• 1:15:39
  I got some housekeeping real quick, so I just checked
• 1:15:43
  Wikipedia and both Hulk Hogan and Dennis Rodman are listed as
• 1:15:49
  6 foot 7 inches. Wow.
• 1:15:52
  All right, all right. Buffer.
• 1:15:55
  I always. I always remember.
• 1:15:57
  Hogan being 6 foot eight, like being billed.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, as 6 foot eight, like just 300 my head from like, yeah, 303
• 1:16:05
  pounds, 6 foot eight, 303 pounds.
• 1:16:07
  Like that is drilled into your hand is a me from from mean
• 1:16:10
  Gene, man. Like, it's incredible that Jim
• 1:16:13
  just pulled that right off top ahead.
• 1:16:14
  But it's true. It's true.
• 1:16:15
  Like that's what is ingrained in your brain as a Hoka maniac from
• 1:16:19
  the 1980s and the early 90s, like that's all you can think
• 1:16:22
  of. And here it is with Rodman,
• 1:16:24
  who's 6 foot six, and then Buffer calls him 6-7.
• 1:16:27
  Like all of the numbers, none of them match up.
• 1:16:29
  And Karl Malone looks taller than all of them, and he's
• 1:16:32
  billed as, what, 69? Like an inch taller?
• 1:16:35
  Like it? None of it matches.
• 1:16:36
  It's really, really interesting, really funny, and truly
• 1:16:40
  microcosm for wrestling. So OK, so let's give this entire
• 1:16:45
  event 1998 Bash and the Beach. Dickhead.
• 1:16:53
  Ratings Bash Bash at the Beach, 1990.
• 1:16:57
  And the beast. Beauty and the Beast.
• 1:16:59
  Who wants to give it a rating first?
• 1:17:00
  Because I have mine in my head, yeah.
• 1:17:02
  Me too. Beauty and the Beast.
• 1:17:05
  It's it. That's that's what it is to me.
• 1:17:07
  It I want to give it three cans in the cooler.
• 1:17:09
  I want to give it even more, but with the way that it ends in the
• 1:17:14
  Beast at the end of the card. I'm going 2 1/2 and I think that
• 1:17:19
  it's entertaining for the first two hours and then just hit
• 1:17:22
  stop. Just just just shut it off, go
• 1:17:25
  away, leave the NBA guys to themselves in the corner and
• 1:17:28
  just let them rot in their own little part of history.
• 1:17:32
  Mike, you wanted to go. Yeah, go.
• 1:17:35
  All right, thanks. I give it 2A flat, 2 cans in the
• 1:17:39
  cooler. You know, the ending match just
• 1:17:43
  erodes a lot of it. But you know Kevin Green, he's
• 1:17:48
  just so good, so. Got a bright future in
• 1:17:56
  wrestling? He did it's.
• 1:17:58
  The final match? That's.
• 1:18:01
  What it's doing. I guess he did, yeah.
• 1:18:04
  Jim, what do you got? I'm going to, you know, I get
• 1:18:07
  the 2.5, but I'm going to give it the bump at .5 because Nick
• 1:18:11
  finally told us what he thinks about Bruce.
• 1:18:13
  The Barbara beef cake. I give it a three.
• 1:18:17
  No, this is, this was I was so pleasantly surprised by the
• 1:18:20
  front half of this card, and I think it's more than just the
• 1:18:22
  front half. It like trickles down the whole
• 1:18:24
  card, but it's diminishing returns and then the end just
• 1:18:27
  falls off a frigging Cliff. So.
• 1:18:29
  It's funny that you give it a three, because I feel like you
• 1:18:32
  and I are the ones who tend to agree the most on our ratings
• 1:18:36
  and. You're off on this one.
• 1:18:37
  I am. I'm very off.
• 1:18:38
  I and I again, I that could be my own personal way of doing
• 1:18:43
  this homework. Not to make excuses, but you
• 1:18:45
  know, we we assigned this and I watched the first half.
• 1:18:48
  You know, early June as the school year was dwindling down
• 1:18:51
  and I picked it up later. I can't get past 1 1/2 cans in
• 1:18:55
  the cooler. I don't find many redeeming
• 1:18:57
  qualities to this. I would not.
• 1:19:00
  I would not, honestly, and I'm saying this with honesty, I
• 1:19:04
  think there's so much good wrestling out there that I would
• 1:19:07
  have a hard time saying to anybody.
• 1:19:08
  You got to go watch. This from Bash in the Beach.
• 1:19:12
  There's nothing on this card that is must watch.
• 1:19:15
  There's nothing on this card that is like you should really
• 1:19:17
  watch this match or you should really watch this part of this
• 1:19:20
  match. Would rather take a shit than
• 1:19:23
  watch that Hogan match again. Yeah, but forget about the Hogan
• 1:19:28
  match. Like Matt said, remove that I
• 1:19:31
  and I'm. I'm just being honest like I
• 1:19:32
  there was nothing that I found overly enjoyable.
• 1:19:36
  There was a few little like nostalgia points, but other than
• 1:19:38
  that I can't go higher than can and 1/2.
• 1:19:44
  Wow. I'd say that.
• 1:19:45
  I think that's a hot take, honestly.
• 1:19:46
  But I I think, I think his his WCW hate is showing but.
• 1:19:51
  No, but no. But wait, wait.
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  Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
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  Wait. But.
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  But. I respect everything you just
• 1:19:59
  said and it's spot on. You, it's spot on.
• 1:20:02
  There is no redeeming qualities to this like there in the way
• 1:20:06
  that you said it, that there's so much more wrestling that you
• 1:20:09
  should be watching and this, this does not fit that bill.
• 1:20:13
  Even though there were parts of this card that I thoroughly
• 1:20:16
  enjoyed, I really, I really liked watching Eddie Guerrero.
• 1:20:19
  I really liked watching Jericho again.
• 1:20:22
  Like I I've really enjoyed parts of this and Raven and and Saturn
• 1:20:27
  to me. Was still top tier.
• 1:20:28
  I I thoroughly enjoyed that match.
• 1:20:30
  I'm standing by my 4 cans in the cooler but like 1 1/2 is
• 1:20:36
  respectable for the way that you broke it down.
• 1:20:38
  As much hate as I gave you throughout this and as much as
• 1:20:40
  we butted heads and I thoroughly enjoyed it like.
• 1:20:44
  Come on. He's like, there.
• 1:20:45
  He's like the Emperor from Star Wars.
• 1:20:47
  If the Emperor from Star Wars hated WCW.
• 1:20:50
  Like. No Yes name stick like yeah.
• 1:20:53
  But when you think about those guys, like, there's nothing that
• 1:20:56
  those guys did in any of those matches that makes you say like.
• 1:21:01
  I would watch. You've got.
• 1:21:02
  I would watch. I would watch Saturn versus
• 1:21:04
  Raven again. I'd watch that maybe.
• 1:21:07
  That, yeah. And Jericho for me.
• 1:21:09
  Jericho and and Ray. Jericho's funny, I think.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, even because of the. Before match stuff.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah, the soft stuff. How do you say it, Jim, when
• 1:21:19
  it's just that match by itself? How did you word it so
• 1:21:21
  perfectly? That I can't think of in a
• 1:21:23
  vacuum, Even if you watch Kidman and Hoovie in a vacuum, like
• 1:21:28
  that was a great match that was entertaining.
• 1:21:31
  There are entertaining pieces of it, but if you sit down and just
• 1:21:34
  be like, all right, I'm going to fall asleep to bash at the
• 1:21:36
  beach. Bash, exactly what you're going
• 1:21:38
  to do. You said in Bash in.
• 1:21:41
  Yeah, no, you said in again. I caught myself.
• 1:21:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  You like hearing the W the NWO black and white music over and
• 1:21:50
  over and. Over.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, You're going to, you're going to dream of NWO.
• 1:21:54
  That's WCW 1998 though, right? Like Thunder was like that.
• 1:21:57
  Nitro was like that. 100%, But there's if you were to put this
• 1:22:02
  on as like, hey, let's just watching this in the background
• 1:22:04
  there, you would not pay attention to a second of it
• 1:22:06
  because it's nothing is indeed. Think about we just recapped it
• 1:22:09
  and talked about so many guys. We didn't even mention or even
• 1:22:13
  say the name Brett Hart or Booker T like, and we just spoke
• 1:22:17
  about them 45 minutes ago. He like yeah.
• 1:22:20
  You know it's a. Shit like we stand out.
• 1:22:22
  No, you're talking about Bret Hart hopping on the Titanic
• 1:22:25
  right now like it's just not. I don't know.
• 1:22:29
  It didn't do anything for me. You're not wrong.
• 1:22:32
  It's yeah. Fair.
• 1:22:34
  And I'm not trying to sell anybody.
• 1:22:35
  I'm just, that's my 1 1/2. Ready.
• 1:22:39
  One more time. One more time for good measure.
• 1:22:45
  That's how we felt about Karl Malone.
• 1:22:47
  Jim warned us, Jim, Jim warned us.
• 1:22:52
  All right, well, regardless what always talking about, these
• 1:22:56
  stupid pay per views always makes me enjoy it a little bit
• 1:22:59
  more, whether we're busting each other's shops or just actually
• 1:23:03
  enjoying some of the wrestling. So don't go back and watch WCW
• 1:23:08
  Bash in the Beach or Bash in the Beach 1998.
• 1:23:12
  I think it's. Fun The Bash in the Beach The
• 1:23:15
  Bash. But next week we are covering.
• 1:23:19
  The start of ECW Heat Wave 1998. I'm really looking forward to
• 1:23:24
  this. Even like without looking at the
• 1:23:26
  card and who's on the card, there's just something about ECW
• 1:23:31
  at this time and what interests me about it and and.
• 1:23:35
  There's long this beefcake doesn't show up where?
• 1:23:37
  Yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good.
• 1:23:39
  Nick's Nick's only going to give 3.5 and better over the next two
• 1:23:43
  weeks. Easily to every match.
• 1:23:47
  So it's gonna give that Val Venus match at Summer SLAM
• 1:23:50
  9855.5 stars. Ladies.
• 1:23:56
  Seven cans in the cooler, in the in the in the summer, in the
• 1:24:00
  summer Slam Dome. Sean Morley is the greatest
• 1:24:03
  wrestler of all time, staying planning to hold his jock strap
• 1:24:07
  on the. All right, as usually, you can
• 1:24:12
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• 1:24:15
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• 1:24:19
  Cheers, everybody. Hope you're having a good
• 1:24:21
  summer. We'll see you next week.
• 1:24:27
  Anybody. Nobody's got anything.
• 1:24:29
  Just dead air. Just.
• 1:24:30
  Dead air. See you.
• 1:24:33
  Bruce the fucking Barber beef cake.
• 1:24:36
  Perfect. How about that?
• 1:24:45
  Nobody eats beef aroni on a boat, man, that's a.
• 1:24:48
  Problem. Right.
• 1:24:50
  So right. So what's in cooler?
• 1:24:52
  It. Blew my mind.
• 1:24:54
  Yeah, Rhino, Yeah, Rhino saying yeah.
• 1:24:58
  Extra credit. Sports, Sports, Sports, Portside
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