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Jackson family feud: Did nephew abuse Michael’s mom? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's mother, Katrine Jackson, is alleging ongoing elder abuse
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Speaker 1: at the hands of her nephew and driver, Trent Lamar Jackson.
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Speaker 1: She's claiming that she is the victim of years of
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Speaker 1: mental abuse and has reached the point that she's afraid
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Speaker 1: to return home. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: A number of Michael Jackson's siblings are still contesting his will,
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Speaker 1: alleging conspiracy and fraud. Charge is denied by the executors
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Speaker 1: and grown out by the courts. Katherine says she tried
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Speaker 1: to fire her nephew and have him move out of
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Speaker 1: the guest house, but that he refused. She is currently
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Speaker 1: in London visiting Janet Jackson, but fears we could physically
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Speaker 1: harm her for terminating him if she returns home. The
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Speaker 1: judge granted Katherine's request for a restraining order and has
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Speaker 1: ordered the nephew to move out of her guest house.
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Speaker 1: The Michael Jackson saga goes on, it never seems to end.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, his beloved mother, Katherine Jackson, the
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Speaker 1: mother of the late Michael Jackson, tells a courtroom she
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Speaker 1: is terrified of her nephew, Trent Jackson. In fact, she's
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Speaker 1: so afraid. She is in fear of coming home from
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Speaker 1: England to Los Angeles because she knows he's in town.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about her nephew, Trent Lamar Jackson, who has
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Speaker 1: spoken with us. Now according to the court documents that
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Speaker 1: we have obtained, Michael Jackson's mother, now eighties six, swears
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Speaker 1: in legal documents just filed that she is afraid to
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Speaker 1: come home. She's under a doctor's care in part because
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Speaker 1: of the stress of living with Trent Jackson. Why is
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Speaker 1: he living there, what is he doing? And why is
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Speaker 1: she in fear? Or is this all just another money
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Speaker 1: grab on behalf of all of the Jackson siblings. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there are so many of them. Nobody's working, Okay, a
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Speaker 1: couple of them are working, and they all have their
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Speaker 1: hand out to Michael Jackson estate, which is run by
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Speaker 1: Katherine Jackson, his mother. Hey, I Nancy Grace is his
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Speaker 1: crime stories? Thank you for being with us. I mean
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Speaker 1: the legal twists and turns in the Michael Jackson case.
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Speaker 1: You know, we should have known when he died. It's
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Speaker 1: not over. It's still going on. All those brothers and
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Speaker 1: sisters trying to get his money. The mother's in charge.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, Alan Duke. Everyone always attacks
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Speaker 1: the father for allegedly beating Michael Jackson, forcing him to rehearse,
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Speaker 1: treating him like a mule to perform. But she was
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Speaker 1: there too. She's his mother, and she stood by and
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Speaker 1: let whatever happened happen. Okay, So I've always blamed her
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Speaker 1: just as much as him. Well, actually, Katherine Jackson is
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Speaker 1: one of the sweetest mothers I've ever met, and I
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Speaker 1: got to know her fairly well. Other than standing by
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Speaker 1: while her son was beaten to perform, okay, other than that,
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Speaker 1: my mom took part in disciplining me when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid. I'm I'm about a year older than Michael Jackson. Actually,
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Speaker 1: comparing your little spankings on the back of your legs
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Speaker 1: or whatever you gotta pop on the wrist with a ruler.
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Speaker 1: It beaten by his dad mercilessly. I mean, that's the
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Speaker 1: way Michael Jackson tells it. I don't know what's true.
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Speaker 1: There was a different form of discipline in the in
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Speaker 1: the fifties and the sixties. You, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: your experience. You were an angel, so you never got
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Speaker 1: any of that. I was only spanked. One time, I
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Speaker 1: was popped on the back of my legs, just below
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Speaker 1: the knee by my dad for talking back and arguing
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Speaker 1: with him NonStop. Can you even imagine that was it?
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Speaker 1: That was it. I love him so much. I never
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Speaker 1: wanted to disappoint them. Look, I'm I'm just going on
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Speaker 1: what Michael Jackson said that he was never had a
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Speaker 1: normal child because his dad beat the crap out of him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I had the crap beat out
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Speaker 1: of me, but I remember one time when I was
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Speaker 1: probably nine years old. WHOA, But I deserved it. That
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Speaker 1: was different, Michael. It was to make him dance and
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Speaker 1: sing allegedly. But look all of those nine kids. Look
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Speaker 1: how well they turned out. Whatever they did, they made
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Speaker 1: them successful. Nine kids from Gary, Indiana and all of
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Speaker 1: them successful. How can you blame these parents? Okay, huge successes,
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Speaker 1: I give you that much, I absolutely do. When I
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Speaker 1: don't know what their way out was. I mean, for me,
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Speaker 1: the only way off of a red dirt road in
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Speaker 1: rural Georgia was through education. To get a high school degree,
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Speaker 1: than a college degree, than a law degree in another
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Speaker 1: law degree. That's the only way there was for me.
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Speaker 1: For them, maybe it was entertaining, but I still don't
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Speaker 1: think beating your kid is appropriate. Allegedly, can we get
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Speaker 1: back to Catherine now why she's allegedly? Hey, these are
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Speaker 1: court documents. We're not just creating this out of and
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Speaker 1: these were filed yesterday. Now we have the document. She's
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Speaker 1: been given a she's been granted a t r OH,
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Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order against nephew Trent Jackson, alleging elder abuse. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's not good. He is related to her through her
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Speaker 1: husband Joe. He's been living in a guest house there
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Speaker 1: on in their home in Calabasas, which is beautiful, by
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Speaker 1: the way. He's been serving as her personal driver, and
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Speaker 1: she states in the documents she has been bullied by
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Speaker 1: him and she has had to resort to desperate measures
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Speaker 1: to escape his constant monitoring. She writes, and I quote
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Speaker 1: from the legal documents, I believe has put cameras and
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Speaker 1: bugs in my home, so the only place I can
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Speaker 1: try and have a private conversation is in my bathroom.
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Speaker 1: She also claims. Now this is according to TMZ. She
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Speaker 1: believes Trent Jackson has copied the key to her bedroom door,
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Speaker 1: and she gets dressed in her closet. What what? Don't
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Speaker 1: don't quote TMZ on this, TMZ. If they want to
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Speaker 1: know something about the Jackson's they'll call me because I
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Speaker 1: know so much more. I'm glad you know everything wasting time? Alan,
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Speaker 1: isn't true that this eighty six year old mom who
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Speaker 1: I've always cared for because it's just something gentle and
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Speaker 1: kind about her? Is it true? She's also claiming that
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Speaker 1: Trent Jackson copied keys to her bedroom door and she
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Speaker 1: has to get dressed in the closet because she's afraid
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Speaker 1: he'll walk in on her unclothed. This is the thing
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Speaker 1: about out the allegations that I want to know. I
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Speaker 1: want to know if these are really Katherine's words. They
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Speaker 1: may very well be. These are allegations. Actually, none of
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Speaker 1: these allegations are new. I've heard them before, but I've
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Speaker 1: never heard them from Katherine Jackson. I always hear them
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Speaker 1: from one of her kids, so it's not new. But
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Speaker 1: what is going to happen is she's going to have
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Speaker 1: to come and sit for a deposition, or she's going
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Speaker 1: to have to show up in court. They're going she's
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Speaker 1: in London. Know what I don't get is why I
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Speaker 1: M not sure, I agree with you on that, because
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Speaker 1: this is her home and if she doesn't want a HouseGuest,
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Speaker 1: why should she have to go to a deposition to
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Speaker 1: get him out. I kind of disagree with that. Well
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Speaker 1: he's out, he's not there anymore, he doesn't have the keys,
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Speaker 1: he's gone. He's living many miles away now. Also, she states, quote,
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Speaker 1: I used to be very social with my friends, like
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Speaker 1: playing scrabble, walking around in the park, sharing meals. But
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Speaker 1: Trent has given them various reasons why I am not available.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a classic sign of an abuser. They
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Speaker 1: isolate you from your friends and your relatives. So your
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Speaker 1: question is did she really right all this that the
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Speaker 1: initial complaint was not ever signed by her, and that
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Speaker 1: was brought out in court. So yesterday the judge said,
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Speaker 1: you know, I won't even look at that. But that
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Speaker 1: was at the same time they were following this new one.
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Speaker 1: It does have her signature on there, put in from
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Speaker 1: London just a few days ago. Wait a minute, why
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Speaker 1: are you saying it had her signature put in? Are
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Speaker 1: you Trent Jackson that you can't believe they have a
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Speaker 1: new filing now speaking? Are you so close to Trent Jackson?
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Speaker 1: That you think now somebody forged her name. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that at all. I believe this is her signature.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying the old one didn't have her signature. They've
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Speaker 1: made this new filing that is much more detailed that
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Speaker 1: we now have that we're looking at, and it has
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Speaker 1: her signature. But the question is she was tying? You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't either. Maybe she did. And let me tell
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Speaker 1: you one of the aspects that I'm looking at. It's
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Speaker 1: not just Katherine Jackson, but it's Jermaine Jackson also signed
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Speaker 1: an affidavit that's included in this filing from yesterday. I
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Speaker 1: spoke with Jermaine yesterday at the courthouse. He didn't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about it, but he does have his signed
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Speaker 1: affidavit and he talks about how he was banned from
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Speaker 1: going to his mom's house and he blames Trent for it.
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Speaker 1: But it's no secret he talks about it. Are you
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Speaker 1: saying in David? But you know what I happen to
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Speaker 1: know is yes, he for a few months was banned
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Speaker 1: from Katherine's house. So was Reby, so was Randy, and
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Speaker 1: so was Janet. Believe it or not, but they weren't
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Speaker 1: banned by Trent. They were banned by the court after Katherine,
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Speaker 1: remember when she disappeared in two thousand and twelve, the
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Speaker 1: estate made uh did an order banning those kids from
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Speaker 1: going to the house, which the estate. I I've never
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Speaker 1: seen so many Shenanigans and a family as this bunch.
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Speaker 1: Because you know, you think you'd be happy with all
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Speaker 1: that money. This is proof money cannot buy happiness. And
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Speaker 1: you have this kid band and that child band, and
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Speaker 1: this one and that one, all this drama for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: Why does she have a nephew there that should be
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Speaker 1: her own children? One of this should be was actually
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Speaker 1: initially brought in and I think two thousand and two
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Speaker 1: by Michael Jackson. Michael was paying him, Katherine wasn't paying
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Speaker 1: him until after Michael died, and then it went into
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Speaker 1: Katherine's budget, which was provided by the OK you're getting
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson asked him to drive his mom and make
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Speaker 1: sure she takes her medicine and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Heard it, heard it. The son of Joe Jackson's half
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Speaker 1: brother is Trent Jackson, and he was at a court
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Speaker 1: hearing in l A trying to have the t R
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Speaker 1: filed against him by Katherine Jackson lifted. Now he's been
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Speaker 1: banned from using Michael Jackson Mom's credit cards, or staying
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Speaker 1: in the guesthouse or coming within one hundred yards of her,
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Speaker 1: and he wanted that lifted. He claimed he is not
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Speaker 1: a threat to her. The judge has denied his motion
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Speaker 1: and has set another court hearing in just about twenty days.
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Speaker 1: In a sworn statement, Katherine Jackson's daughter Reby, who was
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Speaker 1: with her I might add in London, said that Trent
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Speaker 1: Jackson didn't call paramedics when his mom passed out as
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Speaker 1: he was driving her to Vegas. He stated the hospital
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Speaker 1: said that she was dehydrated and had high blood pressure.
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Speaker 1: You know that can kill an elderly person. But this
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Speaker 1: is this this was years ago, so these are not happened.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying what these
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Speaker 1: declarations are are a compilation of things over the last
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Speaker 1: fifteen years. But they're just now asking to protect her.
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Speaker 1: I'm really freaked out by the possibility of hidden cameras
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Speaker 1: all over the house spying on her. That's freaky, Allen.
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Speaker 1: There are dozens of cameras around that house, and they
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Speaker 1: all go to the security system, the security center in
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Speaker 1: the garage. Catherine has an incredible security system in her home,
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Speaker 1: and I've been into the control center in the garage
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Speaker 1: and I've seen it. Their cameras all over the house
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Speaker 1: for security. One picture, I mean, there are mountain lions
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Speaker 1: in the area. They gotta watch from mountain lions that
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Speaker 1: come up in. They got to protect blanket from mountain lions.
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Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of a mountain lion in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying that the cameras she is alleging are
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Speaker 1: spying on her are really simply part of her own
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Speaker 1: security system. There's the allegation that there are cameras inside
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Speaker 1: the house, which there I know there are cameras inside
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Speaker 1: the house because in case of burglar comes in and
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Speaker 1: they want to be able to sep question. My question is,
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Speaker 1: are you you stating that it is your belief the
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Speaker 1: cameras to which Katherine Jackson refers to as spying on
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Speaker 1: her by her nephew Trent Jackson, are actually simply part
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Speaker 1: of her own security system. No, I'm not saying that. Well, then,
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Speaker 1: what I'm just saying that dozens and dozens of cameras
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Speaker 1: around the house I've not ever been in Katherine Jackson's bedroom,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know. That's not what I asked, you
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Speaker 1: know what. Never mind, I'll move on to the next question.
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Speaker 1: Worst of all, she claims Trent Jackson ignored her when
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Speaker 1: she thought she was having a stroke. That's a problem.
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Speaker 1: Now you're saying it happened several years ago. Many of
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Speaker 1: the allegations in here are from years ago. What is
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Speaker 1: this about Jermaine claiming a physical altercation in his affidavit?
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Speaker 1: I can tell you all about that. It's true Trent
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Speaker 1: Jackson allegedly threw a Jackson's sister against a wall, hit
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Speaker 1: one of Jermaine's nephews, and Jermaine also and that Trent
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Speaker 1: Jackson has stolen around forty thousand dollars from Katherine Jackson.
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Speaker 1: The fight happened. It happened in July two thousand twelve.
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Speaker 1: I reported on it when I was at CNN. It's
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Speaker 1: no secret there's video of it, although it's not been released.
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Speaker 1: And Trent acknowledges that he had Randy Jackson in a
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Speaker 1: headlock and that he fought with Germaine. That was the
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Speaker 1: day that remember the video of the Jackson siblings coming
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Speaker 1: up in the SUVs and trying to take Janet appeared
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Speaker 1: to be trying to take the cell phone from Paris Jackson.
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Speaker 1: That was that day when they came into the house
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Speaker 1: and they got into an argument. So did he push
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Speaker 1: her or not. I don't know if he pushed the sister,
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Speaker 1: but I do know that there was an altercation in
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Speaker 1: the foyer of the house. You know, if Michael Jackson
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Speaker 1: knew about this, he would roll over in his grave. Well,
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Speaker 1: Katherine wasn't even there at the time. She was allegedly
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Speaker 1: kidnapped after disappearing for a couple of weeks in Arizona.
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Speaker 1: back to Katherine Jackson. You know what's bugging me right now,
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Speaker 1: Alan the Duke do your attitude? Your attitude is bothering
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Speaker 1: me because you're acting like there's this big conspiracy by
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Speaker 1: all the Jackson brothers and sisters and they've all gotten
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Speaker 1: together to kick out. Well, there's not a question that
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Speaker 1: that several of them would like to kick Trent out.
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Speaker 1: It's a battle that's been in their hands on our money.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Uh that, let's look at this.
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Speaker 1: On Friday of last week, a court filing in the
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Speaker 1: probate situation, the trust situation with Katherine on her behalf
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Speaker 1: for lawyers filed trying to challenge the executors of the
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson estate. Now this is something that started just
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Speaker 1: soon after Michael died, but just recently, right after this
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Speaker 1: t r OH was filed, and after Trent was removed
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Speaker 1: from the house and Katherine went to London, they now
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Speaker 1: in Katherine's name, are making a move on the assets
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Speaker 1: in the trust. And and and and that would be
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Speaker 1: the lawyer that was just hired and brought in replacing
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Speaker 1: the other lawyer. So you have alan, according to you,
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Speaker 1: evidence that Trent Jackson is not taking advantage of her.
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Speaker 1: He's not the monster portrayed by the Jackson clan. In fact,
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Speaker 1: he's a quote Teddy Bear, Okay, let's hear it. I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it evidence. I would call it his attorney.
17:36
Speaker 1: I talked with his attorney. Yes, this is his attorney.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking now with Trent Jackson's lawyer, Ron Rail. You're
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Speaker 1: hoping to actually question in a deposition Katherine Jackson. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the hearing today, I served a
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Speaker 1: notice of deposition on Katherine Jackson's lawyer, requiring Katherine Jackson
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Speaker 1: to appear on March fifteenth for her deposition. When you
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Speaker 1: when you when you turned to Katherine Jackson's counsel and said,
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Speaker 1: will you do you plan on having her here on
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Speaker 1: the fift the deposition. She seemed to shake her head. No.
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Speaker 1: Is that she says she won't be here. I think
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Speaker 1: she said no. She seemed pretty adamant that she won't
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Speaker 1: be here. But we will mean confer on that more
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Speaker 1: because I really think I'm entitled to have her, uh
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Speaker 1: testify one way, and you have to have the opportunity
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Speaker 1: you you're arguing to cross examine the plaintiff, the person
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Speaker 1: making the accusations against your client. Actually, I think I'm
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Speaker 1: entitled to cross examine every single witness against Trent. So
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Speaker 1: you can't just sandbagging with these declarations and and that's
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Speaker 1: their evidence without with no right to cross examine. So
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Speaker 1: I think he has a constitutional right to examine every witness.
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Speaker 1: The accusations basically, they accuse him essentially of elder abuse,
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Speaker 1: manipulating Katherine Jackson, trying to make money off of her.
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Speaker 1: That's essentially Yet, but you're saying that your client is
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Speaker 1: no abuser. He is not an abuser, so I can
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Speaker 1: tell you. I said, he's You know, when you meet
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Speaker 1: someone and you're gonna put him on at trial. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's exhibit A. Everybody every witnesses like exhibit A. And
19:08
Speaker 1: you you you talked to this guy. He's a teddy bear.
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Speaker 1: He and and when you can find out all the
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Speaker 1: facts and I look forward to putting them on. He
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Speaker 1: is not an abuser. I think that in this case
19:18
Speaker 1: there's something else going on, and it's not because my
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Speaker 1: clients and abuser. You want to speculate what is going on.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to speculate right now, and I intend
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Speaker 1: to put it on at the hearing and let everybody
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Speaker 1: see for themselves. Okay. So I'm supposed to take the
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Speaker 1: word of his lawyer that is being paid by him, Okay,
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Speaker 1: no offense. Let me ask you this, what do you
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Speaker 1: know about her her l a position. I have seen
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Speaker 1: an email from her doctor here in Los Angeles, who
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Speaker 1: is very concerned about Catherine. I've been treating her for
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Speaker 1: a while and knows her medical history. When he found
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Speaker 1: out that she is in London allegedly because she needs
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Speaker 1: medical care indication of he made the point that no
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Speaker 1: doctor from London has contacted him asking anything about her
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Speaker 1: medical history, which I think would be a routine things.
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Speaker 1: Ho ho Ho ho Hold on a moment. Isn't a
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Speaker 1: doctor listed in these documents? These London document are a
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Speaker 1: doctor in London? Wouldn't you call the doctor in Los Angeles?
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Speaker 1: Says she's being treated by doctor? Ask hey, what's her
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Speaker 1: medical history? This doctor in Los Angeles is so concerned
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Speaker 1: about Catherine he's offering to pay his own ticket to
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Speaker 1: go and give her a check up in London. I
20:32
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to happen or not, but
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Speaker 1: that's how concerned the doctor is. Okay, have they invited him? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Then alright, see that speaks volumes to me. He needs
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Speaker 1: to just but out but out O U T. So
20:48
Speaker 1: this is all going back to court, we know that,
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Speaker 1: And what do you believe is going to happen? Then? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the judge is going to issue
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Speaker 1: the permanent restraining order by I don't think it really matters.
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Speaker 1: This is a fight that just exposed. Well, I do
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen is it's going to expose
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Speaker 1: a lot of dirty laundry and accusations and jealousy and
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Speaker 1: mistrust on either side. What could be worse than claims
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Speaker 1: of child molestation? I mean, well, there's No, is there
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Speaker 1: more I don't know about. He was acquitted. Michael Jackson
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Speaker 1: was acquitted on that. That's not what I asked you.
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Speaker 1: You're saying it's going to bring out all this dirty laundry.
21:29
Speaker 1: I say, bring it on to the Church's gonna get
21:32
Speaker 1: to family feuding, and uh, it's not going to be
21:36
Speaker 1: a nice couple of days. It's going to take a
21:38
Speaker 1: couple of days. Probably. I can't wait and the end. Yeah,
21:42
Speaker 1: get some popcorn and watch this thing. No, it's not
21:45
Speaker 1: that I want to find out if Katherine Jackson has
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Speaker 1: really been being abeast, has really been abased, and or
21:52
Speaker 1: is this just another money grab on behalf of all
21:55
Speaker 1: of these children, because she's with them right now, some
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Speaker 1: of them in London, and I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: if they're behind all this, or is it real. I
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Speaker 1: hear Katherine Jackson in a deposition or on the witness
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Speaker 1: stand confirm all of this, then I am totally for
22:15
Speaker 1: whatever is in here. But if I don't hear Catherine,
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering. I'm not convinced because I know what happened
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Speaker 1: in July of two thousand and twelve when they took
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Speaker 1: her off to Arizona. We saw that that video of
22:28
Speaker 1: her surrounded by some of her kids and she was
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Speaker 1: reading from a statement making accusations about Trent and saying
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Speaker 1: how she was there on her own. Then when she
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Speaker 1: finally got back to Calabasas, she signed a signed sworn
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Speaker 1: statement that was filed in probate court, which saying which
22:45
Speaker 1: said that she was taken against her knowledge and isolated
22:49
Speaker 1: and that she didn't want to be there. Listen, no,
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Speaker 1: I said this t r O. I'm afraid of Trent
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Speaker 1: in my own home for many reasons. I have no
23:00
Speaker 1: pivacy since he has free run of the house. He
23:03
Speaker 1: tells the house staff and security that he is the
23:06
Speaker 1: quote house manager. That's in paragraph six. Trent copy the
23:10
Speaker 1: key to my bedroom lock and has let me know
23:14
Speaker 1: he can enter whenever he wants. He walks in when
23:18
Speaker 1: he pleases, and I believe he has put cameras and
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Speaker 1: bugs in my home. So the only place I can
23:25
Speaker 1: try and have a private conversation is in my bathroom,
23:29
Speaker 1: pretending I am using the restroom so I can make
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Speaker 1: a call, and I often get dressed in my closet
23:37
Speaker 1: out of fear he will walk in on me. Well,
23:40
Speaker 1: there's the answer to one of my questions I asked earlier.
23:43
Speaker 1: Is she claiming he has installed cameras and monitoring devices
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Speaker 1: or are they simply part of her existing security system.
23:49
Speaker 1: There's the answer. In paragraph seven, she says that he
23:52
Speaker 1: she believes he has placed bugs and cameras in her home.
23:58
Speaker 1: Paragraph eight, Trent is constantly near me, screens my calls
24:02
Speaker 1: without asking him to, often telling people I am not
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Speaker 1: taking calls, which is not true. If I am on
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Speaker 1: the phone, he will pick up the other end or
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Speaker 1: take the phone from me to see who I am
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Speaker 1: talking to. I feel Trent is trying to isolate me
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Speaker 1: from my children so he can have more influence in
24:20
Speaker 1: my affairs. He does not put their calls through to me,
24:24
Speaker 1: He does not leave us alone when they visit. He
24:27
Speaker 1: insists on being invited to any family functions if they
24:31
Speaker 1: are not at my house. He has been mean to
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Speaker 1: my children and has initiated physical harm on my daughter's
24:38
Speaker 1: son and grandson. WHOA, what is this about the grandson?
24:42
Speaker 1: I think we're talking about. Well, there are dozens of those,
24:46
Speaker 1: so I don't know which one that is. Yeah, it
24:48
Speaker 1: could have been. Yeah, as we were talking earlier, I
24:51
Speaker 1: think was Germaine Son. Another way he is isolating me
24:56
Speaker 1: from people who would see me, is keeping me from
24:59
Speaker 1: my ends. Okay, we talked about that. He's told her
25:03
Speaker 1: friends he doesn't want them coming around me. He's refused
25:06
Speaker 1: to drive me home until I answered his questions about
25:08
Speaker 1: conversations I had with people without him. He yells at me,
25:13
Speaker 1: and I have to answer him because I am afraid
25:15
Speaker 1: of him. He emotionally manipulates me into doing what he wants.
25:19
Speaker 1: For example, I did not want to go to my
25:22
Speaker 1: home in Gary, Indiana, but Trent was set on going
25:25
Speaker 1: to be involved in an annual charity charity event. One time,
25:30
Speaker 1: I wasn't feeling well, like I was going to have
25:33
Speaker 1: a strike or seizure, and he refused to call Ie
25:35
Speaker 1: one one paragraph fourteen. I believe he's stealing my money,
25:40
Speaker 1: putting his name on my businesses, using my credit cards
25:44
Speaker 1: for personal use. M m m m m mmmm. All
25:48
Speaker 1: of this will come out in the wash when when
25:50
Speaker 1: they get to depose her, when they look at her
25:52
Speaker 1: accounting and all of that, we will know. I know
25:56
Speaker 1: he has kept tabs on my bank accounts without my
25:59
Speaker 1: authorization and made friends with bank reps in order to
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Speaker 1: make them believe he's authorized to access my bank accounts.
26:06
Speaker 1: Oh um um m m m m m m m
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Speaker 1: m m m m m m m m m mmm.
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Speaker 1: He's refused to drive me home until I answered questions.
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Speaker 1: I don't like this at all. This is and there's
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Speaker 1: a big there is a big old signature at the bottom.
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Speaker 1: Now according to you, I guess it's your your buddies, Trent,
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Speaker 1: you think that's forged. He's not my buddy, and I
26:28
Speaker 1: don't think it's forged giving me a bank account. My
26:31
Speaker 1: only point is I remember what happened in July of
26:35
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve when allegations were made and then
26:38
Speaker 1: she came back and said that she didn't make those allegations,
26:41
Speaker 1: which well, also Trent Jackson came on this podcast and
26:48
Speaker 1: answered questions. Now, at that time, we didn't have this
26:52
Speaker 1: t r oh, so you know this this exact document
26:56
Speaker 1: that was just filed, So I didn't have a lot
26:59
Speaker 1: of them from ration about, you know, on which to
27:02
Speaker 1: question him. But it's still to come on this podcast
27:07
Speaker 1: answer questions. You gotta have a little backbone to do that.
27:10
Speaker 1: So we'll see. So this is going back to court.
27:13
Speaker 1: You know what, Michael Jackson for whatever claims were made
27:17
Speaker 1: against him, which I happened to believe were true about
27:19
Speaker 1: the molestation. Even so, it can't be denied that he
27:24
Speaker 1: was one of the most talented musicians that ever lived,
27:32
Speaker 1: and that he loved his mother dearly. Those two things
27:35
Speaker 1: cannot be disputed. So I'm just wondering where that leaves
27:40
Speaker 1: Katherine Jackson right now will be in court, don't worry
27:44
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