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Patriots Catch-22 12/31: Good/Bad vs. Jets, Playoff Scenarios, Dolphins Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre from Lazarre. Everybody nailed it joined as always buy
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  Speaker 2: It's a classic tune up game, and we're gonna win
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  Speaker 2: by one hundred. We're gonna feel good about ourselves doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the Jets press some buttons or pull some levers
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  Speaker 2: that have given the Patriots some issues, and so you
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  Speaker 2: get practice, live in game practice against these things. They
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  Speaker 2: played two division games at the end of the year
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  Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. They got right, They got their stuff
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  Speaker 2: figured out. It completely flipped the season from the Miami
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  Speaker 2: miracle in the Pittsburgh lost to a super Bowl team.
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  Speaker 2: They did win by one hundred, so I was right
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  Speaker 2: about that, and it was I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: can call that a tuneup game, though, Alex. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if the Jets offered enough resistance to truly call
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  Speaker 2: that a tune up game, like a tune up game
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  Speaker 2: against Miami. I think they might get that. They might
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  Speaker 2: get that.
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  Speaker 1: I think in some sense it was like you get
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  Speaker 1: to rep the live two minute drill I'd consider that
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  Speaker 1: like a tune up moment kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I thought, you know, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into it. But the the Efton Chishm catch against the
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  Speaker 2: Cover zero bullets. Cover zero has been giving the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of problems offensively. It's the only coverage
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  Speaker 2: that Drake May has a negative EPA against this season
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  Speaker 2: is Cover zero. So to see them come up with
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  Speaker 2: an answer to that, even though it was not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a great defense that they were answering against, but those
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  Speaker 2: types of things were what we were looking for.
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  Speaker 1: So I still think it's a tune up game. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: a different kind of tune up game, but I still
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  Speaker 1: think it's a tune up.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm for it. We are gonna get a
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  Speaker 2: little bit into this Jets game. I'm not gonna sit
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  Speaker 2: here and pretend that there's a million things to talk
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  Speaker 2: about coming off to win over the Jets, but we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about it. We'll do
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  Speaker 2: some good and bads don't really have much that got
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  Speaker 2: them beat in this game, so we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about playoff scenarios. Drake May's MVP case a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a Dolphins preview as well in the
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  Speaker 2: second hour, because I do think the Dolphins are kind
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  Speaker 2: of frisky, Like the Dolphins to me are exactly what
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  Speaker 2: when you think about playing spoiler, Like the Dolphins are
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  Speaker 2: kind of one of those types of teams right now
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  Speaker 2: that is playing spoiler. I mean, they just beat Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay in a game Tampa Bay needed, so they can't
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  Speaker 2: play spoiler really quickly. Before we get rolling on this
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  Speaker 2: Jets recap, I know we are probably gonna get some
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  Speaker 2: questions about the Stefon Digg situation, where we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to touch that. The team has issued a statement. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to leave it at that for now. But I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get that out of way because I don't
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  Speaker 2: want people to sit here and listen for two hours
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  Speaker 2: and expect to hear about it. So that's all I
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  Speaker 2: can say about that right now. But to the Jets,
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  Speaker 2: I understand that there's I don't want to overanalyze a
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  Speaker 2: game like that. The Patriots I think do deserve credit though,
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  Speaker 2: Alex for having their eye on the ball, for being
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  Speaker 2: you know, locked in for a game that was against
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  Speaker 2: a much weaker opponent that has also taken a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the guys that they even have on the roster
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  Speaker 2: that are talented off the field. You know, Garrett Wilson
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  Speaker 2: did not play in this game. Of course, sass Gardner
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  Speaker 2: and Quentin Williams are playing for other teams, so they
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  Speaker 2: didn't play for this in this game either for the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: But I've seen this happen over the last couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks across the league that you know, Cleveland beats Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos get pushed to the brink by Ola Duncan
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  Speaker 2: in the third string quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs,
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  Speaker 2: And you know, there are games against bad teams where
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  Speaker 2: good teams have left the door open and kind of
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  Speaker 2: allowed them to themselves to be pushed to the limit.
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  Speaker 2: There the Falcons beating the Rams on Monday Night. It happens.
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  Speaker 2: It happens. Now. This Jets team, I don't think is
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  Speaker 2: as good as those teams were in terms of opponents.
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  Speaker 2: But this is what you wanted to see. You wanted
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  Speaker 2: to see the Patriots leave, no doubt. You wanted to
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  Speaker 2: see them get up to a big lead and coast
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  Speaker 2: in the second half, and they were able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think they deserve a little bit of credit,
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  Speaker 2: not trying to make too much out of it, but
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of credit for the fact that they dominated.
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  Speaker 2: They dominated a bad team. And you can't say that
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  Speaker 2: about everybody across the league this week.
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  Speaker 1: No, not everybody beat the Jets forty two to ten
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  Speaker 1: this year, right, Falcons lost to him, beat the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: So no, I.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like the good old days, right when the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots were on their role. That's what it looked like
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  Speaker 1: when they beat the Jets. That's what it should look
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  Speaker 1: like when a good team beats a bad team. And
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  Speaker 1: they made the gap look like it should look you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, yep, you don't want them
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  Speaker 1: to have to struggle through and win that game. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, going into it, there were some people talking
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  Speaker 1: about that and you know, all right, well, they have
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  Speaker 1: all these injuries. Are they going to maybe have to
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  Speaker 1: really eke this one out? Nope, win in blue doors
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  Speaker 1: and that that's the sign of a good team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other element of this just big picture
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  Speaker 2: that I think is relevant. It seems to me now
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  Speaker 2: with Drake May and with Mike Rabel, they have a
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  Speaker 2: foundation or an infrastructure to take advantage of bad football
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  Speaker 2: for a long time like potentially you know, a very
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  Speaker 2: long time here, you know, in terms of NFL years.
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  Speaker 2: So they are going to clean up on this type
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  Speaker 2: of competition with these two people, you know, as long
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  Speaker 2: as Drake may is upright and Mike Rabel's on the sideline.
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  Speaker 2: And that has a very Brady Belichick feel to it
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  Speaker 2: as well, right where every year they're not going to get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a schedule that maybe sets up as well
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  Speaker 2: as this one did, but they're still going to have
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  Speaker 2: a handful of games that they really should take care
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  Speaker 2: of business in. And it just feels like that they
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  Speaker 2: are more than and you know, shown that they've checked
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  Speaker 2: that box and that's the league, like you could win
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  Speaker 2: maybe not ten games or eleven games like they have
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  Speaker 2: this year like that, but at least half a dozen,
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  Speaker 2: right and once you get to that point, now you're
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  Speaker 2: only going five hundred and the rest of them to
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  Speaker 2: make the playoffs, you know. So I think that there's
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  Speaker 2: a big part of that as well, that they've really
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  Speaker 2: shown all year long, other than you know, the opener
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  Speaker 2: against the Raiders, that they are fully equipped now to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of bad football and kind of clean up
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  Speaker 2: on the jets of their schedules and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I mean, Mike, We're able talked about
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  Speaker 1: it in that opening press conference. Take advantage of bad football,
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  Speaker 1: which which they've done. And he also mentioned winning the
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  Speaker 1: division we should mention, which they did a year one
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  Speaker 1: after he said that, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right, So a couple of just things
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to go over in this game. More of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff is I try to keep it more big
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  Speaker 2: picture in terms of looking ahead to the playoffs and
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily comparing it to the Jets, but comparing to
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  Speaker 2: the level of competition that the Patriots might face in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks here. So we'll just start with Drake.
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  Speaker 2: May you know, obviously individually in this game, one of
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  Speaker 2: the better games in terms of quarterback efficiency that we've
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  Speaker 2: seen in the league in the last like ten years,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy. You know, highest single game
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  Speaker 2: QBR since they started tracking the stats back in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and six, so that's twenty years, twenty seasons highest
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  Speaker 2: or second highest excuse me, epa game in the last
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  Speaker 2: ten seasons. I think what stands out to me though
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  Speaker 2: the most about it. And you can go through all
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  Speaker 2: the stats and how good he was in this game
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  Speaker 2: is just how in control he is at this point.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't seem rattled by anything, he doesn't seem confused
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  Speaker 2: by anything, his pre snap process and his ability to
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  Speaker 2: reacting's post snap as well. I thought that the most
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  Speaker 2: one of the most telling plays was actually not a throw.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of his scrambles, the fourth down scramble.
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  Speaker 2: The Jets ran a trap coverage where they tried to
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  Speaker 2: trap him into throwing a little stick or hook route
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  Speaker 2: to Stefan Diggs in the slot, and nine out of
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  Speaker 2: ten quarterbacks throw like a pick six in that situation,
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  Speaker 2: like the corner carries Kyle Williams initially, then he falls
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  Speaker 2: off the Kyle Williams vertical route and jumps the underneath route,
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  Speaker 2: and Drake May goes to throw it to Stefon Diggs
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  Speaker 2: kind of pumps and then pulls it down and then
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  Speaker 2: is like, nope, you know, can't throw it there, and
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  Speaker 2: then scrambles for a first down. That's the type of
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  Speaker 2: things that you see when the quarterback is really seeing
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  Speaker 2: it well and really processing information well and just kind
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  Speaker 2: of in complete control, and then you have the element
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  Speaker 2: of the now. He has the ability to scramble when
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  Speaker 2: things aren't there. Of course, you know, the extended play
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  Speaker 2: or the scrambled drill play to Stefan Diggs earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the game was also fantastic in that regard. But Drake
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  Speaker 2: May just looking like a cool customer back there, just unfazed,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sees the field extremely well, has a full
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  Speaker 2: grasp of this Josh McDaniel's offense, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: incredible for a twenty three year old, a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: in the second season in the league to be making
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  Speaker 2: checks and making mike calls, and protection schemes and checking
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  Speaker 2: in and out of plays, reading coverage, like all these
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  Speaker 2: different things that Josh McDaniels puts on the quarterback. Drake
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  Speaker 2: May is excelling in all those areas. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of twenty three year old quarterbacks are doing
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  Speaker 2: that across the league.
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  Speaker 1: No, and he did it in a game where you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's down some starting offensive line and he's working with
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  Speaker 1: some receivers he's a little less familiar with, like the
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  Speaker 1: first catch Byfton Chisholm, where they bring the blitz, he
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  Speaker 1: resets the protection, throws hot to a guy. I think
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  Speaker 1: that was his first career in game pass defton Chisholm.
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  Speaker 2: First career catch by Chisholm for sure, and so.
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  Speaker 1: To kind of have that wherewithal and have that trust, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: was impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that you know, that's to me
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  Speaker 2: where this is going to go for Drake May and
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs is if he continues to show this kind
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  Speaker 2: of grasp of the system that he's in, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be tough to beat. And that's the biggest difference
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  Speaker 2: to me. You get a lot of people that are
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  Speaker 2: kind of talking about the MVP and why Drake Mays
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  Speaker 2: taking such a major leap in the second season compared
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  Speaker 2: to his rookie season. I think the biggest reason why
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  Speaker 2: is he's gotten so much better at operating with instructure
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  Speaker 2: of the system, which takes out a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: volatility of his play because when you're trying to just
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  Speaker 2: kind of play in playground mode and make things happen,
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  Speaker 2: like he was forced to do a lot his rookie season,
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  Speaker 2: that's when the turnovers happened because you're pressing and you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do too much. So when you allow sort
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  Speaker 2: of the system and allow the scheme to give you
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  Speaker 2: easy answers to the test or clear concise answers to
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  Speaker 2: the test. That is why he's now down near the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the pack in turnover worthy play rate instead
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  Speaker 2: of top of the league and turnover where they play rate,
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  Speaker 2: despite the fact that he's you know, third in the
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  Speaker 2: league in air yards per target. So he's throwing the
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  Speaker 2: ball down the field and he's pressing tight windows and
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  Speaker 2: things like that, and the turnovers have come way down,
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  Speaker 2: but the big time plays are still there. And I think,
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  Speaker 2: to me, is is all about how he operates in
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  Speaker 2: the system. So if they keep him in this sort
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  Speaker 2: of groove that he's in, then I think that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be a tough out in the playoffs, and
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  Speaker 2: that's the hope. And you see that. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: can talk a little bit more about sort of the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the league and a little bit, but you
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  Speaker 2: see that. I think what's going on in Buffalo right
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  Speaker 2: now that Josh Allen is a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's too much Allen with the Superman cape on right,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's not enough easy layups, you know, schemed open
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  Speaker 2: receivers or things like that. He's he's pressing and he's
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: trying to do a little bit too much and his
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  Speaker 2: play is going up and down as a result. So
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  Speaker 2: that's Drake May. The other thing that I thought was
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  Speaker 2: really good to see in this game and has been
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  Speaker 2: for the last couple of weeks, is just the play
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  Speaker 2: of Ramondre Stevenson. I just think that he's kind of
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  Speaker 2: on kind of like a three game heater at this point.
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  Speaker 2: It's not volume necessarily all the time with him at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, but he's doing it all, you know, pat
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  Speaker 2: catching the ball out of the backfield, running the ball, blocking.
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  Speaker 2: They're using him now as sort of like a chess
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  Speaker 2: piece with all the motions and things like that they
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  Speaker 2: were doing last week against the Jets. You're now really
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  Speaker 2: starting to see the combination of Stevenson and Henderson and
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  Speaker 2: what these two guys can be together. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just think like this is as good as Ramondre's looked.
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  Speaker 1: And can you say two years I think going back
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  Speaker 1: really just started the twenty twenty four season. I even
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  Speaker 1: think at the start of this year obviously had the
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  Speaker 1: fumble issues, right, Yeah, but this is the player he
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  Speaker 1: can be. And I know I've gotten some heat. People
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  Speaker 1: have been annoyed how much I've kind of been like, no,
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  Speaker 1: he needs to be a part of the offense. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is why, because when he's on, this is the
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  Speaker 1: guy he can be. And we've talked to you don't
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  Speaker 1: want Trayvon Henderson to be that workhorse back that twenty
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  Speaker 1: five touch a game players. So getting this version for
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  Speaker 1: Mondrix sevens and as Trevion Henderson continues to figure things
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  Speaker 1: out and as he continues to play better is so
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  Speaker 1: so important because it just allows it adds another dimension
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  Speaker 1: on offense. And the biggest thing, I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest things you can say about the Patriots offense
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  Speaker 1: right now. As good as Drake May has been, and
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  Speaker 1: to your point about Josh Allen, a lot of these teams,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of teams in the NFL, they'll
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  Speaker 1: find something that works offensively and they'll just lean all
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  Speaker 1: the way into it. And sometimes that work, but sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: especially late in the year, like you get a little predictable,
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots offense is stayed very multiple even with all
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  Speaker 1: the success that Drake May has had, which is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of credit to Josh McDaniels. Having romondre Stevenson play
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  Speaker 1: the way he is only adds another element. The defenses
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  Speaker 1: have to worry about especially now, I don't know. You
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  Speaker 1: probably have the exact number. I don't. The last couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks, I feel like we start to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot more to running back sets yep, which which really
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  Speaker 1: strains the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're definitely doing that more and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to continue now, I think more and more in terms
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  Speaker 2: of we'll get to the personnel groupings in this game
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  Speaker 2: in a second. It's going to continue more and more
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  Speaker 2: now than Matt Collins is not available that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to start to You're going to see some unique formations,
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  Speaker 2: unique personnel groupings as a way to sort of recreate
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  Speaker 2: what they're losing with Matt Collins because I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they have an exact match with his size, and then
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  Speaker 2: also the.
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  Speaker 1: Ability to stretch the field as a receiver they don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be multiple players that are going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: which is what.
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  Speaker 2: You saw in this game. One more point on the
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  Speaker 2: remondra thing, and then we can unpack that a little
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  Speaker 2: bit in terms of the personnel groupings, the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: they were doing with Remondrae in this game by putting
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  Speaker 2: him in motion before the snap, whether it was starting
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  Speaker 2: him out wide, and then motioning him into the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: They created two explosive plays with doing that, and that
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  Speaker 2: was like a chess versus Checkers moment for me where
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  Speaker 2: Remondre first time they motion him into the backfield and
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  Speaker 2: they run him on that deep corner route out of
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  Speaker 2: the backfield, and the Jets checked to a blitz up
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  Speaker 2: the middle with their linebacker and they had their end
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  Speaker 2: dropout on Ramondre Stevenson. So now you have a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred pound defensive end trying to cover Ramandra Stevenson down
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  Speaker 2: the field on a vertical route. And you know how
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  Speaker 2: that went for the Jets. That was just not going
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  Speaker 2: to be a foot race he was going to win.
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  Speaker 2: Then later on in the game, they motioned Remondre back
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  Speaker 2: in the backfield again from out wide, you know, split
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  Speaker 2: them out, motioned them back inside. And when they motioned
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  Speaker 2: them back inside this time, the Jets said, well, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to get stuck with our defensive end on
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  Speaker 2: him again, so we're going to keep the linebacker on him.
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  Speaker 2: So what the Patriots do is they have the linebacker
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  Speaker 2: in the box. He's on Ramandre Stevenson. They just have
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  Speaker 2: run a little pick play. They have fton Chisholm picked
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  Speaker 2: the linebacker and Ramondre Stevenson's wide opening the flat for
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  Speaker 2: a seventeen yard gain on third down. So you just
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  Speaker 2: see some of those things that they're just a step ahead.
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  Speaker 2: They're just a step ahead of a team like the Jets,
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  Speaker 2: and Remandre was a big reason why. Yeah, his flexibility
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  Speaker 2: though to you know, is he a blocker, is the receiver?
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  Speaker 2: You know, all those different types of things that he
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  Speaker 2: can do in the passing game are really valued to
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  Speaker 2: the team. You mentioned the personnel groupings. They had eight
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: different unique personnel groupings in this game, which is a
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: lot like some teams play the whole game and like
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: two personnel groupings, and the Patriots ran eight personnel groupings
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: in this game. It was a combination of things. They
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: had multiple tight ends. They had multiple backs, whether it's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: two back pony with Stevenson and Henderson or Westover as
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the full back in the backfield. They had the jumbo
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: package with their Munford as the sixth offensive lineman. They
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: had a bunch of packages on the goal line where
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: they were basically no wide receivers on the field and
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it was just two tight ends, two backs, and they
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: or Munford I think our guy John Critis calls that
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: twenty two rhino. Yeah, I think that's what he likes
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: to call it. So there's all sorts of different combinations
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: that they had in this game. But I do think
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: that without Hollins, they're put into a position where they
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: don't really have another six foot four, two twenty pounds
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: wide receiver that can sort of do a lot of
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: things that like a flex or moved tight end can
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: do in the run game. So they're going to be bigger,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Like they're gonna put two tight ends on the field
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: more often with Henry and Hooper, they're going to put
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: six offensive linemen on the field more often. And that's
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: how they're going to try to do this moving forward.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: You know, you obviously take a little bit of that
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: downfield explosive element off the field with Hollins compared to
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: those types of packages, but you still should be able
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to get to some of the run in play action
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: stuff that they want to get to out of those looks.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: But McDaniel's is, like, you know, some of this was
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: like hockey lines right where they're just running three four
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: guys off the field, you know at a time, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: going through these personnel groupings. I charted them on their
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: opening drive. They ran six plays. They ran six different
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: personnel groupings out of the six.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels in his bag.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just spinning the dial, So you know
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: that that is going to be fun to track and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: fun to watch moving forward. That does bring me though
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to one little thing that I think is worth mentioning,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and that's Chisholm and just how he was used in
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: this game. You know, his first catch was just a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: pure slot route, like that's not a Mac Collins recreation,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: but he did do some of the Hollands dirty work
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in this game. And then the touchdown catch that he had.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We've seen Mac Collins running that exact route since training camp.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: You know that that used to be a Mac Collins route.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So I would say maybe forty five fifty percent of
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what Efton Chishm did was trying to fill in for
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Mac Collins. The other fifty percent was more pure slot
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: stuff like we've seen in the past with Patriots slot receivers.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: But what did you make of Chisholm, Because I thought
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: he was pretty good with the opportunities he had.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was solid, and again everybody's gonna need to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: step up a little bit. I thought he blocked well too.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing when you talk about replacing Mac Collins,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and if he's going to have a little role in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, I don't think that would be the worst thing.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Like it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It's clear we kind of talked about this. I think
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: was when Booty was hurt or something like a few
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, when when he might have had a bigger
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: role about We don't know because he really wasn't with
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Drake May in the summer, and where's his chemistry at
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: with the starting offense, and there's there's no way to know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: That's not saying he hasn't done it, there's no way,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: no until we see it. Well, now we've seen it
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: for relatively you know, decent sample size over the course
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: in one game, and he looks like he's made significance stride,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So that's a that's a good sign.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought the the catch that he made, and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I know he got eaten up by the turf monster,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: which was unfortunate, but that turf stinks, so I'm not
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: going to hold that too much against him at midlife.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But the I thought the sort of just awareness of
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the blitz and the route that he ran. You know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: on that situation, when he sees the backer coming on
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that side, he knows that that's where the ball is going,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: like the ball is coming to him, and he knows
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that that drake may is hot at that point and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that he's got to get open quickly. So it's kind
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: of just that you know that awareness that at IQ,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that headiness to understand the blitz is coming on your
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: side of the field, the ball is coming to you.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And then the corner is sitting inside of him, inside
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: leverage and covered zero and he's able to beat him
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: on the slant going across his face, which is hard
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to do because he's trying to take away the inside.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: So you got to kind of give him a little
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: something to get him off his spot and then open
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: up to the inside. And I thought it was a
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: good route. I thought he uncovered well. I thought he
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: uncovered quickly, which in the situation was needed, Like you
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: can't take your time running that kind of route. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he doesn't have the greatest straight line speed,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: but he definitely hits a bigger play if he doesn't
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: get tripped up by the turf. So you know, that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: was a really good all around play and I thought
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that that was a good step forward for Afton Chisholm.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So we'll see how that continues. A couple more things
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: on the goods and a couple things I want to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: talk about big picture slash little picture about where they
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: go moving forward. I was tough on Gonzil last week,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: so I'll give him some flat hours this week. Now.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Brady Cook didn't throw a lot of catchable balls in
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: this game.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: No, but you go back and look, I mean he
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we talked about it. He had some trouble with Ady
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Mitchell in the first matchup, bounced back at him, walk down,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: tight coverage leads that interception. I thought he was much better.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: The interception coverage was classic Gonzalez. You know, if you
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: run verticals against Christian Gonzalez when he's in man coverage,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: especially press man, you're gonna have a tough time getting
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: open on him on those routes. And he just absolutely
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: wore Adie Mitchell like a coat on that one. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: mean that was a that was blanket coverage and Jalen
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Hawkins made a nice play to come over. Cook was
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: zero for five with an interception, targeting Gonzalez. I thought
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: one or two of them weren't really catchable, to be
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: honest with you, but it wasn't. That's not Gonzales knock,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: that's just fact. You know. He threw one to Mitchell
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on and out where it hit the dirt and skipped
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to him like Tim Tebow style. So you know, it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: is what it is. But I dot Gonzalez was much
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: better in this game. Stuck his nose in there times
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: against the run too, So hopefully that was signs of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: things to come. I would imagine that the film review
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: for him last week probably wasn't too great, and so
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: hopefully that is signs of things to come for him
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Last thing here, we talked a lot
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: last week when we were talking about this game, Alex
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: about special teams, the kickoff coverage, decent thirty five yard return,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: thirty one yard return, twenty seven yard return in a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: twenty one yard return for the Jets, so along a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: thirty five average right around twenty seven to twenty eight yards.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I think he'll take it. I think it'll.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Tays that team, and that's the one thing that Jets
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: have done well. I think it was you who asked
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Verable that last week. Good job asking a special team's question, Evan.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It was to cover the whole team. It was literally
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: one things that they could have done in the game
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to try to make it competitive.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but even when it is important, you tend to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: act like a tea.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It was in this game you was, you know me.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I tried to take the pad on the back. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: try to finish it. I try to hype up the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: opponent as best I can. And I'm going to talk
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: about the Dolphins pretty positively, and.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be more honest about that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I try what the Jets. The only angle I could
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: find is that if they flip field position on kickoff
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and punt return, So like that was it? Now? The
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Patriots barely punted in this game, so that that punting
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: what right?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But they the Jets were the number one kickoff return
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: team in the league and turns on average yards per
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: re turn and those numbers like you read, I would
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: say that they did well against that team.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they covered the kicks pretty well. And I talked
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to Brennan Schooler about it in New York after the game,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and he was really He brought up and prompted the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Buffalo game, and he was like, that was that wasn't us,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: That was unacceptable. He said, you know, we can't put
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: our defense in those types of positions in the playoffs.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: We're not going to win games in the playoffs if
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: we're giving the offense short fields consistently. And that was
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: on us. Kind of took the blame in a lot
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of ways for them losing that game, and I think
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that they are really serious about getting this right and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: making sure that they're not hurting them. He talked a
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: little bit, and I'm sure this is the Patriots analytics
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: team putting these numbers in front of them, about the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: percentages of scoring drives increase by field position on kickoff returns,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Like if you hit the thirty, it's this, if you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: hit the forty, it's that. If you hit the fifty,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: it's that. And like he said that, it just increases
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: exponentially as you go up the field, and you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you can see it in these games like now that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the touchbacks to thirty five, you really only need a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: couple of first downs to kick a field goal, right,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and you see that across the league. Now that these
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: field goal drives, it's like it feels like it's like
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: one big play in a drive after a touchback, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're in field goal range. So
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that can be a big difference, especially if you're late
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in a playoff game and it's close and it's tied
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to put together a game winning drive. Well,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: if you let him out to the forty yard line
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on the kickoff return, now they got twenty yards ago,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and now they're kicking the game winning field goal. So
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: better not all the way back, but I think better
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: name dominated by any means, but good enough. All right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: A couple of things on the bad slash, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of put the things that could get you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: beat in the postseason, so the Jets are not going
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to be able to take advantage of these types of things.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But one of them is sort of a question that
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I wanted to pose to you and the listeners can
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: chime in. I'm very curious what the Patriots do about
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the left side of the offensive line. This was the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: one game in a while where I thought Ben Brown
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: didn't play great, especially early. Yeah, the first couple drives
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of the game, I were kind of weirdly. He was
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: off his game in a weird way. Vederian Loo has
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: been okay. I thought that he gave up a couple
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: pressures in this game, but nothing too crazy. It's very
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: clear that Will Campbell is a much better player than
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Vederian low I don't think having that discussion. I think
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit closer. With Jared Wilson and Ben Brown.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I just wonder how you look at that. And you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I thought this game they weren't as good as they
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: have been on the left side, especially Brown, but he's
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: been solid. Darian low hasn't been has been much better
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: than he was last year. It's an it's an interesting problem,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: not problem, but an interesting question I guess to have.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I think with Campbell it's automatic. If he's one hundred
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: percent or close to it, I think he plays. But
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I do wonder, you know, how they look at that
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: if he's seventy five percent and not ninety five percent.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You know, where is that line of you know, he's
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: healthy enough to be better than Vaderian Lowe at this point?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think once he can go, he goes.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I just think that's you know, when you get to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I'd like to see him play at
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: least a little bit this excuse me this week, Yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: just to you know, you don't want and in Milton
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Williams and Roberts playing, I'm sure we'll get to this,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like don't want their first contact coming in the playoffs,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: first contact and was to be like over a month
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: for most of them. The Jared Wilson wants a little
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: more interesting. I do feel like they've run the ball
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: better with Ben Brown. I don't know if you'd agree
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: with that, but I feel like the run game has
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: been better with Ben Brown in the lineup, and when
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you get into these cold, nasty playoff games up here
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in the Northeast, you might want to lean on that
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I don't think the GAP's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: been that different in past protection. So I think there
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is a conversation we had about starting left guard and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: could take a step further. We did this with Greg
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Badard yesterday on Felgern Maz. You know, do you use
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it as maybe an opportunity to see and look, you're
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: not gonna sit down Garrett Bradbury here. He's been great
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: this year, but he's on a pseudo one year contract.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: He's under contract next year, but there's no guaranteed money.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And if they really view Jared Wilson as the center
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of the future, which I still think his future is
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: at center. He was fine filling in a left guard
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: this year, but he should be a center long term.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So we've talked about them maybe needing a left guard.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: How would you feel next year if it's Ben Brown
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson R. I guess Ben Brown Garrett Bradbury. Either way,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Ben Brown a little more of a look to see
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: if you need to go find a new starting left guard.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I would feel better about Ben Brown in the super
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sub role. I just think that's a really valuable role
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: yea to have where you have a even though I
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: thought he didn't grade out particularly well in this game,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you still have a guy that can play three different
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: positions on the interior offensive line at a starting caliber
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: level that when guys get hurt, which is inevitable, I
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: think it's a really valuable role to have, and I
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: don't I don't think a lot of teams have that
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: kind of depth. Now, if you want to tell me
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: that they're going to draft somebody or sign somebody to
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: fill that role and then they're going to let Ben
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Brown see if he can start and not do that,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: then I guess you could make the argument or say
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: that you know, they're kind of doing both, they're filling
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: both holes. But ideally I think Ben Brown stays as
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like that fourth super sub fourth interior offensive lineman, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: then you go out and you get a starting caliber
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: left guard. But I'm not saying that Ben Brown couldn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: do it, just that's just how I feel about it,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: because I've seen him in this role and he's really
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: good in it, and I don't know if you know
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: they they necessarily need to push it in any other way. Now,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: maybe he's Ted Carris, that's exactly Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Literally, look I was googling Ted Carris.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he's Ted Carris, who has been an awesome starter,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: uh since really, you know, the Patriots second stint, he
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: leaves the Patriots goes to Cincinnati. He's been like a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: captain there. He's been a starter ever since. So maybe
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: maybe that's Ben Brown's trajectory too, and maybe he's good
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: enough to do that. But then you got to fill
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that role because I think that there's not a lot
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: of teams and I don't know what would happen if
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses got hurt at right tackle. So this might
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: not apply completely to the tackles position, but they've gotten
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: competent play from Ben Brown and Vederian Lowe as their
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: sixth and seventh offensive lineman I left tackle and left guard.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: There are not a lot of teams that can go
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to that depth and rely on it. You know, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: might see one in the playoffs with the Chargers, who
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: have had all sorts of problems with their offensive line
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: because of injuries. So that's valuable to have. Now, would
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Vederian low and Ben Brown be as good in a
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: sixteen to seventeen game sample size versus a four or
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: five game game sample size that that's a fair question too.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's whether spot that's like some guys are
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: spots starters as what that role.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Is, right, maybe he's a spot starter. The other thing
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just defensively, if I had to put my finger on
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: what my biggest area of concern with the team right
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: now alex is going into the postseason, it's the lack
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: of disruption or whatever you want to call it upfront
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, whether it's getting
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: off blocks in the run game, pressuring quarterbacks in this game.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Even though they dominated, they only got to Brady Cook
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: twenty eight percent of the time in the first three
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: quarters of the game. And what they weren't dominating because
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: they were getting a lot of pressure on the quarterback.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Let me put you that. And I did think that
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Breis Hall, even though the big one came against the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: backup defense in the fourth quarter, I did think that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he chipped away a little bit at the beginning. It
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: just the game got away from the Jets and it
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: didn't matter. So I think there's a lot riding on Splaine, Tongo, Williams,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: and Landry all coming back, all being healthy and all
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: being the same players that they were before their injuries,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and just kind of dropping those guys into this defense
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and then getting back to the way they were playing
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: defense in the first eight or nine weeks of the season.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Because this defense, now, with the guys that they have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that they've been playing the last couple of weeks, that defense,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I think is vulnerable in the playoffs. Now, if you're
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: going to tell me that Splaine and Williams and Tonga
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and Lander are going to come back and they're going
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to look like they did in the first half of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the season. Well, now I feel a whole lot better,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: But that's a lot riding on those four guys all
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: doing that. Like, I don't know if that's going to happen.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I think Millon Williams will get back to it, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know about Splaine, who has had a weird ankle,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: foot whatever you want to call it, injury it. Landry's clearly,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you know, compromise in some sort of way that goes
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: back to that Saint's injury scare, and I don't know
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: if that thing's gonna get better this season. He might
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: need to have and I don't know this for a fact,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: but he might need to have some sort of off
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: season procedure or something like that on his knee. So
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that's my biggest question is are they just simply going
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to bring all four of those guys back and then
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna snap back right into place up front,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: especially against the run, or is this going to be
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: their undoing because they kind of got banged up in
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: those spots.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, when those guys come back, it'll be better.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it couldn't be, you know, is
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it going to be what they go ten weeks without
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: allowing a fifty yard rusher or something like that. So,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you know, are they going to go back to being
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that is Milton Williams or Milton Williams Roberts playing going
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to come back like that, you know, being one hundred percent,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or they gonna come back like seventy or eighty percent.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And I still think Milton Williams at eighty percent is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: better than what they've had. And you know Kiro's tonga
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: is part of that too, So I don't think it'll
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be the same as it was before they got hurt.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I think it will be better than this. The question
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: is just like what is it closer to?
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Is it closer to what they were to start the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: year before the injuries start piling up or will it
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: be closer to what it is now?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: They just don't create enough havoc up front. They don't
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: there's not enough, like they don't get off enough blocks,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: they don't.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Get to the quarterback wick in mind seeing them blitz more,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like they've done well when they've blitzed this year, it's.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: A good it's a good conversation, especially with the corners
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that they have.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, if you look at outside of Josh Allen,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you look at the quarterbacks they're going to play by
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the way Paul did his h AFC quarterback. Okay, we've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: been doing a felbrin mass. We might need to check
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: in on that one.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, But yeah, it's a good question about blitzing more.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much of their lack of blitzing and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: lack of aggressiveness in terms of man coverage stems from
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: like the fourth and fifth guy that they're going to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: have to trust to play man coverage. Because you feel
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: pretty good about Gonzo David and Marcus Jones and man coverage.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Likely blitz Marcus Jones, Yes.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: But who's covering the tight end? Who's covering the running back?
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not just about the top three. You
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: have to have five guys that can play man to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: man in order to play man to man at a
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: high level. So do they have the fourth and fifth
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: guy to play man to man at a high level
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: is a question mark. And then if they get into
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the playoffs against some of these teams like a like
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a Buffalo potentially of Pittsburgh, potentially of Baltimore that do
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: play multiple tight ends, now maybe you have to take
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones off the field because you don't want to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: be in small nickel against bigger personnel groupings. So now
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you have two guys that are you know, linebackers that
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: are covered, and I think that that stems from a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: lot of the reason why they're not. I know a
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: lot of people ask why don't they play more in
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: man coverage with the with the corners that they have
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: so certain matchups. I definitely think you could see that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, you know, certainly a situation. You still
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: see it every week now. Maybe if they do play
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the Chargers. The Chargers do play a lot of heavy
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: personnel groupings, and they will load up and try to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: run the ball, and they have you know, guys that
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: are like converted defensive linemen playing full back and like
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: things like that. But I don't think that their tight
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: ends and backs are as dangerous as pass catchers as
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: some of the other teams. Like when you play Buffalo
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and you have Kincaid and Knox and Cook, like, that's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a tough group to cover. I don't know if the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Chargers have that kind of talent at those positions. One
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: of my guys in the draft, what he marks with
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the Texans is a really good receiving back out of
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the backfield. Dalton Schultz is a good tight end, you know.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So maybe that matchup is not as favorable. So we'll
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: see what happens. But I just think that, like I said,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: there's a lot riding on Milton Williams, especially in Spalain, especially,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I would say, coming back to four and being healthy
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and playing at the level that they were playing at
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: before and sort of fixing some of the things that
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: are wrong with what's going on up front for this defense.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So thirty ish minutes on the on the Jets game,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I wanted to keep it under thirty. I think I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: did pretty good.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say that we pretty much kind of covered I.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Don't think we need to do, you know, one of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: our hour long autopsies of this game. The other topic
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit before we
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: open it up to the calls and the emails and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: talk some playoff scenarios as well. I do want to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: discuss the Drake May MVP thing a little bit. I've
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: been sort of researching and getting my argument for Drake
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: May for MVP ready for you when the season's officially
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: over because it is a regular season award, so after
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Sunday it's over. I don't know how strong of a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: take you have on this, Alex. I feel pretty strongly
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: about it, just going into the numbers. Really, the only
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: argument that I can come up with for Matthew Stafford
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: over Drake may for MVP is just kind of put
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in a cap or a great career for Matthew Stafford.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to call it a lifetime achievement
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: work because he's been so good and that's not fair
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to him. But in a lot of ways, it's kind
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: of like a proof of concept for him of like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: he's been playing at this level for a really really
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: long time and the one thing he's kind of missing
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: is like an individual accolade like an MVP. And I
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: look at you know, I hear the strength of schedule
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: argument a lot, but then you look at common opponents,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and Drake Mayo played him in the six games they
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: played against common.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Appintance, and I mean, supporting cast, we can factor in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and this and that. Again, the voters broke I'm sorry
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I have to do this to you.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: No, that's okay.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: The voters broke the system last year Yeah, because Lamar
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Jackson was a better player.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got to get Josh his.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And we don't know an I guess one thing that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: got it for him because he ain't winning it this year.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: But that's the fear that I have with Stafford, is
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that it's kind of his turn. But here's the thing.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Once you open that door, because the NBA did this too, Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: once you open that door, that is what it is.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I would love to see the voters get it right
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and just be like, we screwed up last year. Dani
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Orlosky won't admit it, but like we messed up last
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: year Lamar.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: He's voting for Stafford based off of what he said
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: on TV, doubling down on it today. Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Now, there is no voter fatigue element to it this time,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: because I think last time it was do we really
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: want to give this guy three in a row? Because
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: when you give a guy three MVPs in a row,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that signals something significant. I think Lamar earned him, so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about this this year. I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any voter fatigue with Matthew Stafford, but
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I do think there's this element of we got to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: make sure, this one guy gets his and this is
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the year to give it to him, and maybe it
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: comes back around in a year, and however many years
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: like Drake Mays having a great year but maybe not
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: an MVP year.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But you know it's hey.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Screwed him ten years ago, or you could just you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: fix it now. And I know Matthew Stafford gets burned
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in that, which is unfortunate, but again, Lamar Jackson shouldn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: have gotten burned last year. It is crazy to think
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: about the stakes of it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I don't remember if I text you this during the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: game or not. I forget who it was. There was
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: one national writer somebody tweeted at him at the end
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of that game, like does Stafford Is Stafford a Hall
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of Famer?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I just think he is.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I think he will stop, but I don't want to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: put the guy on blast. I don't even remember his name,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but it was like, well, you know, I think he
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: really needs the MVP to like lock it up. Maybe
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the question was first ballot, Hall of Fame or something.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about. So if you go off
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the odds, which Vegas's job is to make money, it's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: not their job to predict it correctly, but if you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: go off the odds. So Stafford's odds kind of bottomed
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: out when he threw that third pick and May was
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a heavy favorite, and then they started to uptick again,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and I think the idea was, like, hey, a twenty
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: one point comeback probably.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Clinches the MVP.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: We won't talk about why they were down twenty one,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: but a twenty one point comeback right clinches the MVP.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: And then he throws that incomplete pass to you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the guy who was opened down the field. And so
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: it's crazy think about it. If this is going to
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: determine his Hall of Fame standing, and that game is
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: going to determine whether or not he wins the MVP,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and that pass determines that game. Like does that one
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: pass keep Matthew Stafford out of the Hall of Fame?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Prevent him from being a first ballot Hall of Famer?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I hate about all this. I do think
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: there should be some recency buias to it, because I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: think there is more value in playing well late in
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the year than there is at the beginning. But like
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I think everybody needs to take a step back, right,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just who is the better quarterback? This year, I test
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: evan eye test who is the better quarterbacks here? Don't
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: cite me EP eight, don't even cite me pass yards.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I test who's the better quarterback this year.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I gotta admit I haven't watched Matthew Stafford as closely
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: as I have lost Drake may So from what you've
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: biased and probably way more educated on the side.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Idea, we're probably the wrong people ask. But this is
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: what I would encourage the voters. I test who is
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the better quarterback.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: It's such a hard it's hard to answer that because.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: But that's what it should be. And we'll get to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I have more iescribes, so we'll get to the Hall
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: of Fame voting in a little bit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, so, I just think that the try
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to whittle this down to like three or four main
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: categories of what people are talking about with this whole thing.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest feather in Matthew Stafford's cap in
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: terms of this Hall of Fame thing is that he
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: objectively did it against a harder schedule. There's just no
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: arguing that he did it against a harder slate of games.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: He's in a tougher division, he played better defenses than
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Drake May. It wasn't as lopsided as some people like
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: to make you think, but it was what it was.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Matthew Stafford played eight games against top fifteen
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: pass defenses by EPA, Drake May only played six. Now,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a big part of that is because he played the
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Seahawks twice, but Drake May played the Bills twice, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the Bills are top fifteen, so they both kind of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: washed out. Stafford played the Texans was a big one.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: He played them week one of the season, so it
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: was a long time ago. Now most people probably forget
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that game is like fourteen to nine or something like that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It was a rock fight of a game. So that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: that's the big knock on Drake May is that by
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: DVA or whatever stat you want to use use, he
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: pretty much has the easiest schedule in the league that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: he went up against. The issue that, I is the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: whole point of EPA though, that it factors in strength
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: to schedule notes and who is very DVA Stafford or
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Stafford because of the schedule. So that that's the argument,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not trying to knock him, but
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Aaron Shotts is probably going to vote for Stafford because
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: his formula with which factors in strength to schedule is
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: saying that Stafford was the more valuable player.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Well, he's also wasn't he the one when Lamar should
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: have won it unanimously two years ago? Wasn't he the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: one guy?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: That sounds familiar. I'm not trying to make this about Aaron,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that that's the DVOA side of it, right.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: The issue is that with the with to me with
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the strength the schedule thing is I did some digging
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: into Drake May and Matthew Stafford against top fifteen pass defenses,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Drake May versus Matthew Stafford against common opponents which they
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: faced six common opponents, and Drake May outperformed him and
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: both categories.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Right, I think that means more than a week schedule.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Frankly, so, he was much better in the six common
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: games that they played, you know, against common opponents. It
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: was the off the I have it in the second
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I can't remember it off the top of my head,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: six common opponents, Drake May was much better. I posted
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that on Twitter last night, the graphic of the two
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: stats in top fifteen pass defenses again Drake May played
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: six games against top fifteen pass defenses. Matthew Stafford played eight.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Drake May again better.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Here somebody just retweeted it, which which number did you need?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Again? The six teams that they both played.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I put it at Ravens, Saints, Bucks, Panthers, Falcons.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: So those are not all scrub defenses. The Ravens are Ravens.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: The Falcons have been a good defense this year for
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the most part. So we've seen this and it's not close.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Like if you look at the numbers I put up
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: on Twitter between these two guys and those six common games,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: it's not close. Like Drake May was a much better
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: quarterback than those games. So you have that, you have
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the common games thing, and then you have the top
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: fifteen pass defense thing that both you know, the fifteen
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: pass defenses only slightly, but they both favored Drake May
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: in both instances. Then you look at the fact that
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: you have supporting casts, right, you start to grade the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: supporting casts, and I also you know, kind of looked
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: at not only what they ended up being in the season,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: but also what the preseason expectations were for their supporting
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: casts and coming into the season, Bill Barnwell every year
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: he does that ranking of the skill groups wide receivers,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: running backs, tight ends, right, just the pass catcher, skill
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: group positions, whatever you want to call it. He does it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: One through thirty two. He had the Patriots coming into
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the season with the thirtieth ranked skill group in the NFL,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: thirtieth out of thirty two. The Rams were fifth, So
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Drake may has taken a group that well, they.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Also shouldn't have been ranked thirty second. Okay, I mean
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that's a part of it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But you can you can say that, but anybody by
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Eddie Metric was saying that they were a middling.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'll just go back to Bill Barnwell's preseason rankings. If
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you have to go to that to justify it, you've
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: already lost the plot who is the better player? Like
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: this is this is what this is about, and this
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: is where it gets.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So we have to do this, like this is I guess,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and well this is a whole. Like you you can
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: like I think that, Like you you can sit here
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and say eye test, but like if you just go
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: base off your eye test, then that's super subjective and
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: like you're not gonna like that's not a good voter. No, no,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I mean you have to look at like what's going.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: On, But we're really splitting hairs here.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to get to it, like I'm going
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to close the book on this.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: So he's thirty thirtieth in the league in terms of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: skill groups coming into the season. He took a group that,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: by every all accounts, whichever lists you want to look at,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: whichever analysts you want to read or listen to, was
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: at best middleingue. Yeah, and they are fifth in the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: league and scoring on offense with the middling group of
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: pass catchers. And yeah, we underrated the Patriots pass catchers.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Even though we underrated the Patriots pass catchers, they are
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: still not better than the Rams. No, they're not. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that to me, that's all you need to say. So
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the Rams in season, the Rams have the number one
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: receiving grade in football according to Pro Football Focus, number
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: one in the league. The Patriots were at four, which
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: is really really good. But it's not number one, right,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's still a little bit worse. Yeah, you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: same thing kind of with the offensive line. Everybody thought
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the Patriots offensive line was going to.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Say, the Patriots offensive line is actually grated out higher
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: in the RAMS.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots offensive line is fourteenth and pass block
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: win rate right now, the.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: RAMS are fifth, so one of those composite rankings. But
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: this is why using the rank its.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why I didn't use the composite rankings
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: because not because he's supported my argument, but because now
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: it is pulling in information from all different places and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: it just kind of gets cloudy. So I wanted to
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: stick with ESPN. I think that's That's where I'm sticking
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: with across the board on all of this. So that's
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the supporting cast argument that I think heavily favors Drake May.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget if I said this with you on
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: another show. You can make a really good argument.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: You just did.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I think you've made more of the argument that you
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: needed to. You make a really good argument. That Drake
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: May has lists of supporting casts doesn't mean it's bad
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to turn this into let's bash
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Kaishan Booty and Stefan Diggs Hunter henrycause they've actually been
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: really good this year.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: No, I just said they are fourth in the league
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and receiving grade.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I think you make a strong argument. Matthew Stafford is
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a better supporting cast. I think you make a strong
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: argument Drake may have had an easier schedule. Those cancel out, Yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: those just cancel and they.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Clearly has Matthew Stafford too. I got to mention clearly
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: has a better traditional running game.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's as part of the supporting cast. Yeah, like
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: hugely different.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: You know, twenty fifth in the league and EPA for
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, fifth in the league for the Rams.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Row for respecting Vrabel and McDaniels and not pulling the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: will use Sean McVay card, because I don't think that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: one's as lopsided as some people are maybe now, and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I know that that's a check against Drake May, but like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's lopsided, and that's nothing against
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay. This also gets the bigger problem of like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want to I am somebody who said for
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a long time that it's the most valuable player and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: it should be awarded as such. I this was pre
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: when we were on the air. I think we were
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in like high school. Well you're did Peyton miss nine
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: ten and the Colts just bottomed out essentially the same roster.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I was one of those people that was like, hey,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Peyton should win most Valuable Player even though he didn't play.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I was, of course, you were dumb ass fourteen year
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: old and me had that take, But like, is it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: is it best player most valuable player? Because for years
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and years and years it was best player and it
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: said valuable, but it was really best best at a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: premium position, and we all knew what it was. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: then last year all of a said, well no, like
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you take Lamar off the Ravens and you take Josh
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Allen off the Bills with how different it is. So again,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: if you know, is it is it that's are valuable?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Canadian Football League. Do you know
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: what they call their award? What most Outstanding Player?
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I actually like that because.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It's two different things. So that's where you get into
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: this too. Like a lot of the defense switch the quarterbacks,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: put Drake may on the rams.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: The stuff that you're trying to argue though, is not tangible.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you what it would look like if
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: you switch the quarterback. I look at you, who wants tangibility? Yeah,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I've always wanted tangibility. You just don't believe in the tangible.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm expected it's not tangible. It's the by definition,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: it's not because you don't understand the status.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And I'll explain the definition. It's not. I explained the
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: stat to you. Every single do that right now.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: You know who's who's more valuable to their team, Matt
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Stafford or Trake.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I brought up the preseason ranking, right
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: because that to me speaks to how much he has
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: elevated the supporting cast around him. So that's not to
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: knock the Kaishan Boudi and Stefan Diggs and Hunter Henry
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and Matt Collins and those guys have all played great
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: football for the Patriots this year. But we have to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: at some point recognize, you know, what we thought of
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: that group and what they have become a lot of
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that as we saw, you know, with a other quarterback
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: here for twenty years, a lot of that ends up
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: being about how great the quarterback is. See I would
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I won't.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I will push back on that a little bit in
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: terms of like, well, this is what we thought they
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: were in the preseason and so and look, has Drake
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: may elevated this group? Absolutely, But just if we're gonna
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: be fair. We're a fair fair conversation. Yeah, rams are great. Example,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Pooka was a fourth round pick, fifth round pick. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: so you look at his first year and this guy
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: was a fourth threat And obviously this isn't the case,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: but like you could say, well, this guy was a
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: fourth round pick and look what Stafford turned him into. Well, no,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: he just ended up being a really good player that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of people mis evaluated. And I think in
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the case of the Patriots, because I don't want to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: do the thing that gets done with Josh Allen where
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it's all the quarterback and nobody else gets credit even
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: when they deserve credit. Was the Patriots skill group not
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that good and Drake May elevated them? Or did a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: lot of people misevaluate the Patriots skill group? I think
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think it's both, but let's
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: not just make it. Hey, this is the thirty second
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: word supporting cast in the NFL, and Drake May elevate them.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were wrong about what
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Drake May was working with going into the season. So
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go too much in
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that direction with the conversation because I think it does
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a disservice and it takes away from the job that
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: guys like Kayshawn Booty and Hunter Henry and Ramonterey Stevenson,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and you know, you want to extend it to the
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: coaching staff and and the job that Doug Marone has
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: done and guys like that. So I still think Drake
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: may should win it. I don't feel like I need
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that talking point to make my case.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you need it because everybody else is
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: using these talking points.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Stafford is gonna win it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: And so but the only way to make like, to
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: make the pro Drake argument here is to hit them
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: with facts about the arguments that they're making against Drake.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Or here's like, Kylas, do you want to do it?
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I understand you want to, like the numbers, yeah, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: then and I was going to get that to that
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: as the last thing. Okay, there's a literally I would
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: lead with this. There's no to me, this is the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: last thing. This is how the MVP discussion works, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the numbers last year heavily favored Lamar Jackson and he
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: didn't win the award. So like I can't sit here, okay,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: but it is what it is. He didn't win the award.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, but so here's and this is we're doing the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: catch twenty two things who should win it and who
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: will win it or two different conversations.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I didn't want the Patriots guy to win it,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: so I am going to make the argument for him
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: to win it. Yes, and I'm going to poke holes
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: in the arguments that people use against him. But that's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: how it works.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: So and my point is I would open with it's
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: good touchdowns, wins all that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: People didn't think tomorrow. I was building a take.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I'm approaching this as like a lawyer, like you're approaching
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: this as like you don't have time for this. Then
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I want to win the debate. I'm starting with my
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: strongest argument off the time.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't know if that's the strongest argument,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: because we're talking about what other people. We have to
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: figure out ways to poke holes in these stupid arguments
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: that other people are using. Because if it was just
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: as simple as look at the at the box score,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and that's how we're going to decide it, this would
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: be Drake May and a landslide, So it wouldn't matter.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Shout out Bill Belichick talking to Derek Mason sometimes pointing
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: up there and saying, scoreboard is a hell of an argument.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That was Derek Mason, right, you know clip I'm.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Talking about uh maybe, but I'm just trying to help
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: people in this email or nailed it that That's exactly
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: what I was trying to say. I'm just trying to
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: help people understand, Derek Mason, what the voters consider and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: what they look at, the criteria they look at. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell the voters that are telling me
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: that it's Matthew Stafford that they're crazy. Okay, So that's
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do. You're over here just like
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: trying to like play mad and then just switch them
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: on to.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Different as efficiently as possible.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So efficiency I'm getting to your your your point, Okay.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: The last thing here, of course, is just the overall numbers,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: taking all of the noise out of it, of strength,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the schedule and supporting casts and all that, just what
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: are the number is telling you? And the only number
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: that favors Matthew Stafford is touchdown passes. It's the only
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: one total touch he even have total touchdowns? Rushing does
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: he does? But it's less of a gap.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Obviously, it's like one or two, right, No, it's like eight.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: It's like he has a dozen more touchdown passes. Drake
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: May's rush for four touchdowns, so it's eight if you
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: include his total touchdowns.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: But it's not nothing.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Drake May has more total yards if you include rushing.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: He has a better completion percentage, he has a better
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: passer rating, he has better EPA per dropback and total EPA.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: He has a higher QBR. Like you just go right
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: down the list all these graphics that you look at
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: where it's like the green or the check goes to
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the guy who it favors. It's like ten checks for
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Drake May and then one check for Matthew Stafford.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Just like last year was the rushing touchdowns for Josh Allen.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Everybody sat on that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I was typing a pull up the player comparison on
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference. Yeah, and I did Stafford first, and
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it recommended me. Do you want to compare Matthew Stafford
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and Jimmy Garoppolo.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: No, I do not. So you're you're looking at the
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: overall stats.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Now, Stafford is, to be fair, Stafford is passing yards.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: He has passed two yards, but not totally yards.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Right if you add the rushing yards I think, which
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think is only fair to do because Stafford does
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: not run and Drake does that, then Jack puts Drake
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: May over the top. In turn, it's a total offense.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: He need a hell of a game against Miami, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: frankly he has this game, they're probably gonna pull him sooner.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: He could be a five thousand yard player this year.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: A total k yards. Yeah, you need like four hundred
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: yards in the game against Miami. I think he's at
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: like forty six something.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: He is at.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: No, there we go, you're doing math forty six twelve,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So he would need high three hundreds, which again, if
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: he's playing that well, they're probably pulled in the start.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Is like, he could be a five thousand, It's not impossible.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So yes, I was doing math. I was doing tangible math.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: In summary, because you're you're you're mad at me. In summary,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: the better overall statistics are Drake May. The better statistics
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: in common games are Drake May. The better statistics against
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: top fifteen pass defenses belonged to Drake May, and Drake
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: May did it with the worst supporting cast. So if
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: your arguments are Matthew Stafford had a harder schedule, well, true,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: but if you whittle it down and sort of look
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: into the numbers a little bit deeper than just easy schedule,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: hard schedule, it tells you that Drake May was damn
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: good against the good teams that he played too. And
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: then the last thing that I would just say is
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: that if you're going to give the award to Matthew
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Stafford because he's been a great Hall of Fame caliber
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: quarterback for a long time and it's kind of his turn,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: then that's like kind of lazy in my opinion. I
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: just don't really understand how you do that. You can't
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: just assume that Drake May is going to play for
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: another twenty years and have another twenty bites at the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: apple of MVP. That's probably going to happen. But you
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: can't just assume that that's going to happen, that every
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: single year he's going to be in the running, and oh,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: he'll get it eventually, we'll give it to him eventually.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a weak argument. So there you go.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: You can read this all on Patriots dot Com over
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the next couple of days. When I publish it if
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: you want to actually look at the numbers, and I'll
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: make boards and I'll make it fancy for all you
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: and you can actually see what it looks like tangibly,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: because it's kind of hard to articulate numbers on a
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: radio show, so I didn't want to get into like
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: all of the statistics and confuse everybody. So you can
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: see it visually here in a couple of minutes. Alex
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: just wants to do it based off the eye test,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: so we'll end it there. You know who's the eye
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: test quarterback? Best part? That's Drake May.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But I think Stafford's gonna win it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: I think Stafford's gonna win it too. But I think
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: he's gonna win it because they want to give him
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: a lifetime achievement.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Because they broke the thing. They broke the thing last year.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: You know who's fault it is?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Who's faulted? Who's fault it is?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: That Drake May is not going to win the MVP.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It's Josh Allen's faults. Well, it's his, it's his PR
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: machine's fault. Stafford, I don't blame if he wants to
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: have a good PR machine, I don't blame him. We
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: all do, but it's his PR machine's fault.
• 57:57
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• 57:59
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• 58:01
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• 58:03
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• 58:06
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  Speaker 2: on Monday. Can we bump that up a little bit,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: especially like when I have to go walk the dog
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  Speaker 2: and all I have to do is kind of just
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  Speaker 2: slide my foot Intorees perfect. So a little shout out
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to Brunt as well, thank you for the boots. Let's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: take these calls and we'll get to some emails, and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I also want to play a little game with the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: playoff machine here in a second. But I know you
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: guys have been waiting. Max is in California. What's up, Max?
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  Speaker 6: Can you guys hear me?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 6: Cool? Hi, longtime listener, first time caller, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 6: You know how it is, love the show, keep it,
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  Speaker 6: thank you, thank you. Three question for you two and
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  Speaker 6: I'll try to make it quick.
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  Speaker 3: Number one.
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  Speaker 6: All the whole overarching things I want to talk about.
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  Speaker 6: We're talking about past catchers, We're talking about wide receivers,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: talking about tight ends, we're talking about supporting cast, blah
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: blah blah going into the off season. I think the
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  Speaker 6: general gist. I know you guys talked on PU yesterday
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  Speaker 6: about even though it's no longer like the big one,
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  Speaker 6: big glaring need the team needs is a wide receiver
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: one or a major pass catcher, it's still a big need,
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  Speaker 6: and I wanted to know. I think the first part
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: of this question is more for bars. Let's say off
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: season started today. Is there a particular pass catcher, wide
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  Speaker 6: receiver in the draft that you've got your eyes on already?
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  Speaker 6: And I'm not talking about like a Jordan Tyson who's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: gonna go way before we're gonna be able to pick,
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  Speaker 6: but like, you know, like a Chris Bell, someone who
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  Speaker 6: you reasonably at this point are like, I think this
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  Speaker 6: is a guy that would work on the Patriots and
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  Speaker 6: we actually might have a chance to pick him up
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  Speaker 6: in the draft. Part two, just talk about free agents,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: Just talk about trade targets. Is there someone that you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: already have your eyes on, conceivably for free agency next year.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard Evan talk about Isaiah likely, Massachusetts native. We
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: need someone to pick up sort of the mantle for
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: the tight ends on the team because we only got
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: hunt a hemmy on contract. So first part, draft, second
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: part free agent, third part.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say we pick.
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  Speaker 6: Up a wide receiver in either of these two scenarios.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Right now we're carrying seven. Who do you guys think
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: is the odd man out? Because right now I think
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: all of them are under contract next year. There's not
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: really one guy who's clearly like we can tack them
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: to the curb because they're all kind of contributing in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: one way or the other. So I'm curious who you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: guys would maybe consider, like maybe letting go of to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: make room for a new guy, and I'll take it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: off there.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, there's a lot of unpacked yeah, really quickly
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, I know you probably have more names than
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I do. I guess I could ask you this too,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: is a question, uh, in terms of receivers. You know
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: where I'm going with this, kayle. I don't know that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have a shot at him, So if they,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I don't want this to happen. But let's just say
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: they losing on wild card weekend and they're picking, you know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: they pick like twenty first, twentieth.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Something you need to trade up.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: So you still think he's gonna go too high? Yeah,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I think so because sometimes like though, like the the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Zay Flowers is the JSNS, like Jordan Addison, like those
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: guys all kind of fell to that like late teams early, and.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys are really good, and I think the league's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: starting to catch on.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one justin Jefferson, but that one was a mistake,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: but justin jer Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean it's like what to the last part
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: question that was about receivers, Right, who's the guy out?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I mean that kind of informs the first question, right,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: what role are you looking to fill?
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  Speaker 7: Is?
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  Speaker 2: Is mac Hollins back?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: He's going to be on one you I don't think
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: he has any guaranteed money on his contract next year.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: What's to do with Da Giggs? Those are probably the two.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they look at it and say, you know, we're
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: gonna trade Kesehan BOUTI get a good pick for him
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: and kind of reset the timing there, you know, instead
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: of paying. I'm not saying they would do that, but
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: just like who do they want? If it is that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that z Ole that Digs, I'm just going with it
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: says nothing to do with what happened Noway, I'm just
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: going with him because he's the oldest player and we
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: knew and they sign him at the time, like he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: was here for a good time, not a long time. Right,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: it's a he's a bridge guy I really like. Uh
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: So he used to go by Casey. I've seen this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: year he goes by Kevin. I don't know, so I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: apologize if I get it wrong, but Casey conception out
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: of text A and M. Since i've seen, you're gonna
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: like him. You're kind of guy. So he was at
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: NC State, was unbelievable, unbelievable as a true freshman, and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: then NC State last year just had a whole mess
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: at quarterback and it killed him and so he kind
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: of fell off the map. Transfers to text A and M.
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  Speaker 1: He's been their number one receiver this year. Obviously they
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: get to the playoff. He puts some weight on this
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: last year, he puts some eyes on, which he needed
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: to do because he was kind of drifting towards that.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: He wasn't quite as small as Tess Johnson, but like that,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: can he be a three down player at his size
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  Speaker 1: six eleven one ninety not six eleven that'd be great.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Five eleven, one ninety, really good speed, excellent route runner
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  Speaker 1: for his size, is terrific at the catch point. That's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: kind of the biggest thing that stood out to me
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: about him this year is I knew he was a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: guy that could get open, make guys miss after the catch,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: you know, make plays over the middle of the field.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: His ability to win and contested catches has really approved.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: He's also a really good punt returner, and obviously they
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: have Marcus Jones, but you know, kicks punts whatever. Couldn't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: hurt to have another guy that can do that. So
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: he's projected to be a late first round pick early
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: right now, late first round pick right now, probably within
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the Patriots range. I think the color mentioned Chris Bell
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: two from Louisville, who's the opposite.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: He's the big outside guy.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen some really two early mock drafts, like putting
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: him on the Patriots.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: We're trying to see because he's gonna test really well
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and he looks the part, you know, does he kind
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of shoot up if one of these other guys like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Denzel Boston moves down. But I for where I think
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be at again, the legal stuff with Digs aside,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: he's not here for that much longer conception conception own
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: in that role I think would be an awesome fit.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And the fact that there aren't that many guys that
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: play that role that are good contested catch guys. Having
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that guy with Drake may that kind of puts it
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: over the top for me. So the Jordan Tyson dream
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: is dead. Like you mentioned, I still think Jordan Tyson
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: is the best receiver in the draft. We might have
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: some fun Jordan Tyson Carnell Tate debates this spring.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: I know you do.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: But Cant is another He's gonna go to high He's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: gonna be a top time.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But he's another like strong hands, you know down
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: he's so that's the guy if.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: They move on from Hollands or Booty, he would make
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: more sense if they could realistically get him. I'm just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: gonna call him KCC because again I don't know exactly
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: what he's going by now we'll find out. But casec
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Ad text A and m that's my guy. I'm a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: big fan.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I am going to hold out hope that mkayle Lemon
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: is within their range. You mentioned the Diggs thing with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. Nothing to do with was recent news,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: but we knew when they signed him that he was
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: a bridge wide receiver one and especially in this Josh
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: McDaniels offense, they are going to need a volume Z,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: a volume you know, move piece slot receiver, outside receiver,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: just like the exact role that Diggs is playing right now. Yeah,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: that role he is not going to be a long
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: term answer at his age and that role nothing to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: do again with what's going on off the field. So
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: to me, mkayle lemon just fits that to a t.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Like McKayle lemon is going to be a high volume,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: flirt with one hundred catches type guy in the NFL.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: So again, I think conception own is also that guy.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Just you're gonna be able to get him.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: So you're like saying that he's like maybe early day two,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: late round one version and McKayle lemon's probably like the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: top twenty version.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, Well, and it's going to be interesting because
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: there's that you know how I love to talk about
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: these guys like Jordan Addison was one of these guys.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing we talked about. It's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: all going to be what's real. He had a really
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: good true freshman year in a down ACC was not
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: as good the next year. I personally believe that was
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: because of the quarterback. The other people are gonna say otherwise,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And then he went to the ACC or the SEC
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: and was much better. But like, which is the real?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to watch all three years to get
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the full picture of who he is on tape. You
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: can't just watch last year.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Uh, Lemon reminds me and maybe it's just the USC
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: thing and then we can move on from this point.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: He does remind me a little bit of Amon Ras
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Sain Brown like he I think he. I don't know
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: if he's quite as physical, because no one is really
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: as physical as amine Ral Saint Brown, but there are
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: similar players and similar play styles. I would just he
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: would absolutely eat in Josh mcdaniels's offense.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with that.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't know that.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Or it could be the Christian of the Alles thing again,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: where we sit here for four months and say, don't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: talk about him and he's not going to be there.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah and that, but if he's there, you run the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and then he's there. I h freegency too. Yeah, Kyle Pitts, Kyle.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Cop is gonna be expensive. He's gonna be expensive.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Is he like it's one year.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's going to be expensive.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I just I love that man.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: So I think Kyle Pitts is a great fit from
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: a passing game perspective, and Drake May would love throwing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: seams and things like that to Kyle Pitts down the field.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Kyle Bizz doesn't really block though, And like, the one
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: kind of down side to what they have at right
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: now at tight end is that they're not really a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: great running team out of two tight end sets. And
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: if you can't run the ball out of two tight end,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: then you can't get the defense to react to the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: fact that you're in two tight end. So now you're
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: still facing nickel defenses because you're not running the ball
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: too well. So the whole idea of playing two tight
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: ends is to get base defense on the field, so
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: that way there you can get the tight ends on
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: linebackers and hunt matchups like that. If you if you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: don't run the ball effectively out of two tight end,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: then it kind of and it hurts that Now if
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: you have a really good inline blocker paired with Kyle Pitts.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Now you can use Kyle Pitts as kind of like
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: a joker move tight end, and he's sort of in
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: a different role. I just don't know. That's not Hunter
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Henry's game. Like Austin Hooper is a little bit better
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: of an inline blocker, but he's not a dynamic receiver.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Get a blocking tight end in the draft, So.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Do you do that?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: You do something like that impair him differently. Now you're
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: kind of blowing up the room as much point.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you about I know, and a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people mentioned Isaiah Likely, who I think we
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: both like, Charlie Kohler. We give you two more names,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Kate Aughton, Penning Curagent.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like kind of desert Austin Hooper replacement to me,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: if you're going to go that route.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Well, but I think he's young.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: He's like twenty six years, like resetting the clock on it.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Well, but I think that is like and maybe you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: if he gets in a rhythm with May, he becomes
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the guy that takes over for Henry eventually. Uh and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: then Foster mo.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Row better blocker, but not not the receiver that the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: guys he was.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: With McDaniels in Vegas.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: He was I do wonder, you know, the one other
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: tight end name. I do wonder what Vegas wants with
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Michael Mayer.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: You know, do they feel Yeah, did he have some
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: quote though about like he didn't love playing for Josh They.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: All said that, so did Demante Adams. I don't know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: but Mayor to me, is is one guy that I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: in terms of trade market at that position. You know,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: they already have Bowers, Like, do they need both guys?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: And do they feel like that's how they want to
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: build their offense? Just a thought, but I really do.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a likely guy. I think that would
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: be a great fit. I just love his explosiveness. Uh,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: in the passing game pits, I think is going to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: be an expensive get. And I'm not saying that they
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be in that market.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: But I think if you're gonna make one or two splashes,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, say, I know we just talked about
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, but I think more realistically they're
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: going defense top. Let's say you get your edge in
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, like that might free up to spend
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: some money on a tight end.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. All right, Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: Are you.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: Doing all right? Got just a couple points. The second one,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I'm really excited about Alex for you because this might
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: blow your mind. But the first thing I want to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: say is about the Drake may MVP talk. Just eyeball test.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Like you, Evan, I haven't watched a lot of Stafford games,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: but just the eyeball test, the way that me has
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: been able to push the ball downfield this year, and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: just the command that he's shown, and only his second
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: year after going four straight, four straight seasons in a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: row with different offensive coordinators going back to college. I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: think the kids the complete package. I don't care about
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the Lifetime Achievement award. Just give the kids a freaking award,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: but I don't care if he gets it. The only
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: MVP I care about the Super Bowl MVP. And just
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: one more quick point on the whole MVP thing. Back
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: in ninety nine, they flashed this stat. I think it
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: was a past Ravens game, the only team and like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: the last thirty years, i'd had a worst opponent winning percentage,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: just based on winning percentage, and I don't know if
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: this is true or not. Was the ninety nine rams.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: Does anybody talk about how that team was played a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: soft schedule or do they talk about are they revered
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: as like the greatest show on turf and they're known
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: as the Super Bowl champions now on forever? You know.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: So that's all I gotta that's my take on the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: MVP thing. Now it's this is this is an off
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: season discussion. There was three guys realistically that I thought
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: the Patriots could possibly trade for this is coming off season,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: and in no particular order. I said, the two wide
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: receivers for the Vikings, Addison Jefferson or Max Crosby.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: I love all of them.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: After I watched the Monday Night game and Alex you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: said there's never going to be another Derrick Henry. You're
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: not a dishonest person. In my opinion. I don't really
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: know you, but like just just your takes, so I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: don't think you you throw dishonest tapes out there. I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: think Bjhon Robinson is going to be the next Derrick Henry.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: And I would be willing to give up my first
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: round pick this year, this come in year, my twenty
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: twenty seven first round pick, our second round pick this year,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: and our second round pick in twenty twenty eight to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: trade for him. We don't give up any of our players.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: We have a backfield of Bjon Robinson, Traveon Henderson, and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: our quarterback who's stopping.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Us Evan reaching to hang up as quick as possible
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: to running back.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Bjhon's a tremendous so bad it's not necessarily the draft captains.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: He's also not I stand by, there's only one Derrick Henry.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Like the way Bijon wins is different. A guy that's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: six four, a guy of a guy that's six four
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: two point fifty that plays, should play, should play Harbaugh
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: every single snap. Like, don't get me wrong, Bjon's great
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: tyler Aljeer carries some of the load in that offense.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: And now Jeers, by the way, like a decent player,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: but a guy being a And McCaffrey is a three
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: hundred touchier guy too, But a lot of those are
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: catches and they're different, Like Derek Henry's just gronk at
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: running back always.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: There's uh, you know, you know my take that there's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: like a handful of running back step matter. Bjon definitely matters, Yeah,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: McCaffrey matters. Derrick Henry matters. I would say that Jamior
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Gibbs might be in that club.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: There's some games they do pretty well without them, you're
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: gonna put anybody else?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I'd yeah, not this year, but I hear you like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Saquon last year certainly well.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna more different action than that.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, like I don't. I'm
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: just gonna say this real quickly, just to answer to
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: the call you can take Justin Jefferson and Jon Robinson off.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Anything that's not happening. Neither one of those guys is happening.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I will say that evidence maybe Addison could happen.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna take that another direction because
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: there's been some talk, especially if they lose on Sunday,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: do the Ravens kind of hit the reset button blow
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: it up? I think there's been some reporting about Lamar
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Jackson's future. What's that going to look like?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: There?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Trading for Dereck Henry, trading for Derick Henry.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I mean if it's a second round pick for Derrick Henry,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I have a really tough time, uh.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Coming up with what the value for Derrick Henry would be.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I literally just pulled up because he's old running back trades.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: He's obviously a first ballot Hall of Famer and still
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: playing at a very high level. But he's over thirty. Yeah,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: you know so, I mean I I those are the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: types of trades that I wonder if he doesn't get
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: traded for quite as much as we are expecting.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. So, for instance McCaffrey, Now
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: McCaffrey was much much younger. Yeah, second, there was a second, third, fourth,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: and fifth.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so says probably still too.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's half of that for Derek Henry at
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: this point. Let's say it's a second of fourth for
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's a lot.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I might do it.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I wouldn't do it. I am saying
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think you need to.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's the third. I think it's going to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: be a top one hundred pick. He's not going for
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: less than top one hundred.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe a second on its own second on Would you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe it would take a lot of the pressure off
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Drake May. Yeah, i'd probably he can still play. I
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: said to somebody jokingly watching those games.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: You know, it kills me to.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Say that if you could add Derrick Henry, Max Crosby,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: draft the linebacker, draft to guard, and everybody else stays put,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: how would you feel about that offseason? He got to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: ad depth here.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I mean that's that's Max, the Max Crosby.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm usually the guy that sits here when everybody's throwing
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: out the all pro names, saying no, it's not realistic.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: No they're not ready for it. No it's too soon,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: No it's too much.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: This might be the off season where we.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Entertain some of those, not all of them, not every
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: single one at once, but like I would call Max
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Crosby realistic target for the Patriots the soft season. He's available,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy that should be on I
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: might even trade a first round pick for Max Crosby.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: I agree that. I that I think that those types
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: of guys, especially at edge rusher, wide receiver, positions of need.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if running back is truly a position
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: of need. I mean, you have two good ones, but
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: ed rusher and like playmaker, pass catcher, whatever you want
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: to call it. On offense, I think is is definitely
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: in play I think right now, and I just.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Think Henry thing because he's so good. He has the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: relationship with Rape.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: No, I hear you, I just it, just I don't
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: that's a cherry on top type of piece. Whereas, like
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: I think ed rusher is the biggest need on the team.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: They need, they need an impact.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Realistically, they could add Derek Henry and an edge rusher.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: May not Max Crosby, but I could add Derek Henry
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: and an EDGECS.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we're getting a little pie
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: in this guy. All right, patrick'son PA. What's up? Patrick?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: Hey, guys, quick question my questions about the Jets build
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: game that happening this week. Evan, Since you said you're
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: you know, affiliated with the mafia, have you heard what
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: the plan is for the Jets week? Because I do
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: have tickets to the divisional round game in Julette, and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: I really sweat a lot less for the next few weeks.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: If we get the Chargers in a wildcard round instead
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: of the Bills, that they intentionally goog to the Jets
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: and become the seventh. So I'll take it off the air.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: Hope you guys and your families have a happy New year.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks Patrick, Thanks for the call. So I've heard a
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: couple of things about the Bills. One is that I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: do know that they really kind of care about it
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: being the last game at high Mark Stadium. They're not
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: going to have a home playoff game most likely, so
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: this is probably going to be the last game they
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: play ever at high Mark Stadium. I think it was
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: like a fifty year run of that stadium sixties. I think, yeah,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: So that that's like, what can I say something nice
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: about the Bills in a second? Let me finish my point,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: not gonna let me that that stadium no offense at
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: all men dead stadium is kind of a.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Nineteen that I was gonna say, nice, that's a great Wait,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that's what football stadium.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Should that places that places. I'm not saying that I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: like the cookie cutter news stadiums all the time and either.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: But like that place is logistically, I think it should
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: be closer to that than the new ones.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: So that that place is closing now, is that is
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: showing out and winning in front of your home fans
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: in the last game at high Mark Stadium worth risking
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: playing Josh Allen for four quarters against the Jets. No,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: but do you need to play him four quarters against
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the Jets to ensure that you win the game. We
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: just watched the Patriots pull Drake May in the third
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: quarter against the Jets a week ago. I would say
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: it's a weird sort of situation where the Jets might
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: be so bad that the Bills aren't really capable of
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: like fully tanking that game unless they truly like go
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: out there and like miss a field goal on purpose,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like I'm saying, tank within reason.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Is there a chance they get emotional about they want
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen to take the final snap at high Mark
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: always put him back in the game.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: For a Neil down or something. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: I think that there's some there's some emotion there tied
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: to the fact that it's the last game in that
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: stadium and they want to go out with a win.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I think I honestly, I respect that. I respect that.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they're wearing the red helmets. You like one
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: of the guys who liked the Bloods of Arab Bill's uniforms.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: New ones are very big of you. Imp well complicates though,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: like he's hurt. He's not right, Yes, Alan, that's why
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: he doesn't about that.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: If you're a Bills fan, there's no way that you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: can as the leader about being good.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen fan Club, do you want to answer for
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: him not diving on that fumble and missing the throw
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: on the two point play?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought, Rhode Island.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going on? So? I was calling in
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: thinking about the off season coming up, partially about the
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: draft and partially about players that could potentially be on
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: their way out of town. I was going back to
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: I actually think there was a report by you, Evan
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: or you were talking about it last week about Barmore
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: having a lot of complaints about holding that the Patriots
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: weren't necessarily seeing as well. Is that accurate?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think every player does that, Randy, But
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: I keep going.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: I just think that he hasn't been quite as productive
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: as we would like this year. The key stat that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: I look at is two point one percent miss tackles
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: is way off the board for like his normal amount.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Like normally he was a three four percent miss tackles guy.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: This year, he's been really bad in that situation. He
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: hasn't really produced from a pass rushing standpoint in terms
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: of like finishing it off. He's created pressures. But I
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: just don't think he's produced like what you would expect
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: a twenty one million a year detackled to produce. And
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: then I think Milton Williams being down like Barmore, should
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: be anchoring that lot. They shouldn't have fallen apart like
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: it has. Most teams don't have two superstar defensive tackles,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: you know, most a lot of teams one superstar and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: then you build around that. And I just he seems
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: like a candidate to me that could be on his
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: way out of town. Rabling Company kind of tried to
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: rid themselves of a lot of old contracts last summer,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: but obviously he wasn't a guy you could now you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: have a fully healthy season out of him, playing his
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: second most snaps in his career, and I just think
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: that maybe you could get some value out of them.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: And then to the draft. I had heard the earlier
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: caller talking about wide receivers, and you guys were talking
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: about wide receivers. You were talking about a lot of
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: the smaller, like five to eleven cycle wide receivers. I
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: been looking at this draft and looking at a couple
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: of the bigger guys myself. You guys have mentioned Denzel Boston,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: and he's the good first round target, great ideal player
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: for this team to match with Drake may on deep throws.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: And he's a great run blocker. But I think a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: date late day two, early day three target, maybe Malachi
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: Fields out of Notre Dame. Another big body, makes contested
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: catches and most importantly he run blocks. And with mac
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: hollins being down on injured reserve, it's like, we need
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: a guy that has that body type, so we're not
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: solely reliant on Mac maccollins being, you know, playing that roley.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: What do you guys think about that? In one more team,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: one more gut to throw at you for the drafts
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: car Dylan de enemu ra Abile built that Tennessee defense
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: around not just Jeffery Simmons on the line, but around
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: Kevin Byard of the safety position. And I think that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: we've already got, you know, Milton Williams, go get your
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Kevin Byard, Go get your back back end guy. You know,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: he still upset the great leader, obsessed with personal growth,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: team and growth, just all the innschansibles, but the on
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: field stuff. Day one starter from true as a true freshman, I.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Purdue, all right, Rennie, I gotta let you go. Sorry,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: thanks for the call, and I do appreciate all the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: research and the information that you had. I'm not trying
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: to particularly, I don't like king him up on people.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: But the biggest thing I would say, you know, with
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Barmore at that point, I guess maybe I just I
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe I'm biased with Barmore. He's one of
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: the guys that I really like in that locker room.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think he's been pretty productive. You know, Yeah, he.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have the stats, but if you go watch the tape,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: like he's made an impact.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't really feel like that position organically. I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: don't unless you're like Aaron Donald or Chris Jones, Like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the sacks don't really come. I mean, I'm looking at
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: it here. He's seventh among defensive tackles and win Rady's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: top ten total pressures. He was up there near the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: top of the league when Bilton Williams was playing next
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: to him in total pressures, and now he's still in
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: the top tennis. You know, he's got four hands on
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: him all the time. He's getting doubled on pretty much
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: every play, and we talk a lot of the time
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: about like Tuesday players and things like that, that he
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: has become the Tuesday player of that front. So I'm
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: gonna defend him a little bit. I'm not saying that
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: it's a totally off base take that. You know, maybe
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: they could look to move some players like that. You
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: know that maybe they think are are not great fits
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. But I'm gonna have
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Barmore's back a little bit. I think he's been better
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: than what the caller was saying.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: I think this defense is he said a lot of
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: teams don't have to two star defensive tackles, but I
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of what this defense is predicator around. Yeah,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: you look at I think it was Vrabels last year
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee or was he gone? But you look at
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: what they've tried to build in a similar defensive system.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: It's not just.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons' Devandre Sweat, who's been a good player like I.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Do you need two guys like that? No, probably not.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: But if you have a guy like I wouldn't rush
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: one of them out there.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Defensive tackles or standouts or stars or whatever you want
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: to call them. But Barmore has been getting a lot
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: of double teams, and I don't think the other guys
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: are really forcing the offense's hand to stop doubling Barmore,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: which is what you need.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Right It's not a coincidence the defense, Like let's say
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: it Ben Barber who went down instead of Milton Williams.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: I still think they'd be having a lot of the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: similar problems right now.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Okay, So the other point that
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: he made about the receivers, I think is kind of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: a fair one, Like this is probably another area where
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of biased. I just don't love the big
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: body guys. This is not my type. It's not my
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: flavor of wide receiver. I like the separators. I like
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: the guys that bring speed to the table. But there's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: no doubt that Drake may likes throwing to bigger receivers.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: He clearly liked throwing to Matt Collins, especially over the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: middle of the field. He likes throwing to the tight ends.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: I would probably favor just adding a more explosive, dynamic
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: pass catching tight end over adding like a big body X.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: But I hear the point of you know, maybe doing
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: uh the other route instead. I just I like Booty.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I think he's you know, a good enough player in
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: that role that they have him in. Now, you know,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins will probably stick around for one more season.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: Uh so maybe you know eventually they kind of look
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: for that big outside guy. It's just not my type.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I go back to if they want to get a
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: guy later in the draft as a project for that
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: spot and build it up from there, you know, we
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: can have another conversation. We certainly, Wow, why am I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: blanking on his name? The guy from South Carolina that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I've been like obsessed with. Oh Harbor, Yeah, thank you, nick.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I almost said to Clay Harbor and listen he say
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: he's going back to school. He's not on the big
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: board whatever. Like we can talk about a project eye
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: late on day three if we're talking about the guys
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: in the first two rounds, like, that's a guy that's
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: got to play. And so if you're bringing back mac
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Hollins and you're bringing back Keisha on Booty, that guy
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: is just not going to play.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of how it becomes really hard to jump. Okay,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and by the way they bring back everybody, then you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: don't take a wide receiver high.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: So I know we have a couple more calls.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Carber is going back to school.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: All right, so we'll have to wait. Know that you're
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: under Carver.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: So I want to but I wanted to get some
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: of these other things before we take these last couple
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: of calls. Just playoff scenarios Dolphins, A little on the Dolphins,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: which I do think is kind of a classic spoiler
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: frisky game. Not the Jets. The Jets. I laughed fred
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Off off the show last week when he tried to
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: hype up the Jets a little bit. I was like,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: that's not happening. Jet. The Jets have no chance in
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: this game. I do think I do give the Dolphins
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: a chance if the Dolphins want to play, Like if
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: they come to play and they won't take the game seriously,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: I do give them a puncher's chance. But I want
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: to do this first, and then we'll do a little
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: bit on the Dolphins. There are five different playoff scenarios, Alex.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: For the Patriots, I'll just read them off and then
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: I want you to rank them in order of All right,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: we're doing more ranking. So do you want to who
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: you want to face to, who you don't want to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: face right, So one would be the best possible scenario.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: Five would be the worst possible scenario. So here are
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: the five. And granted there's a lot of different you know,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: odds of these happening, you know, are higher and lower
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: in different places. Obviously the first round by you could
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: play the Bills, you could play the Jaguars, you could
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: play the Chargers, or you could play the Texans.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Now the jack is pretty easy.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: The Jaguars can lose the division if they lose and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: the Texans win this week, so that is still in
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: play in the in the AFC South, the most likely,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: just based off the percentages which take it for weight,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: will is the Chargers, you know, but ranked those.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Five buys obviously number one, yep, you want to buy
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: like not having going to play a game is the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: best possible outcome. As much as we all love watching
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Patriots football, when you get to this time of year
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: of the playoffs, even if you think there's an easy
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: opponent out there, your risk injuries or this or that
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: or whatever, no buys Number one by a wide margin.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Number two is Chargers, yep. And they're bending up Herbert
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: and the cold. I know he was good in the
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: game here last year that was the late Patriots. People are, yeah,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count. I don't love him in the cold
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: coming in that Jets game. They are good on the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and so you know with the offensive line, Well,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: all right, they're good, they're they're correct.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, but.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: They're not an easy opponent. I do think people are
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: under selling them a little bit.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: But I do put them in two. I mean, whenever
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: you go up against the Harbaugh and Herbert in the playoffs,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: that's not an easy uh.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: Next is the Jaguars. I think they're similar to the Chargers.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: The only reason I put them ahead is they're coming
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: in hot. The Chargers aren't.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: I guess if the Chargers backups beat the Broncos maybe
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: that changes that. But like the Jaguars are playing and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: the Patriots to buy that's right, assuming the Patriots win.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are playing really good football right now. So
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: I just I give them the edge because they're a
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: little bit more on a heater.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: My Jaguars thing is the reason why I I'd feel
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: comfortable with the Jaguars because I'm with you on this
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: list so far. I Liam Cohen coaching his first ever
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: playoff game. He's had a great season. He's definitely a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: candidate for Coach of the Year. But I'm just taking
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Rabel and McDaniels with their you know, playoff experience, and
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: we you know, Trevor Lawrence in the playoffs, I think
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: has been a little bit dice. He had that one
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: thirty point comeback, he had the one comeback, but he
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: also put himself down thirty point true.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: So you know, seeing this Patriots team.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but I'm with you. So if I Chargers, if.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I had a tier them by his Tier one ideal
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Tier two's, yeah, I feel good as good as you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: can feel about it. Chargers and Jaguars. Then there's the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Texans is four, which is the tier Like, I don't
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: want to see them because it's.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: A matchup nightmare.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying the Patriots can't beat them, but
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: that front man, the defense, there's more to c J.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Stroud than what he's done in the regular season. Don't
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: sleep on CJ. Stroud.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: I don't sleep on CJ. Stroud. I do sleep on
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: that offense as a whole. And I I don't think
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: it's been a great year for a guy that I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: like the pieces Nick Kele could click.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Nick Cayley's might be the weaker link of that offense,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: but they got talent. Number five is the Bills, yep,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: which I feel like I shouldn't be scared of them,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: but I am. I Josh Allen's banged up. You want
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: to talk about coaching in the playoffs? Sean McDermott just
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: pukes all over himself every year, That's true. Every year
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: he will do something stupid in that game. But and
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's hurt, So, like, where's josh Allen's foot at?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Is part of this? If Josh Allen's trying to play
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: on a broken foot, I doubt that's what it is.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: But like, right, yeah, okay, I'd probably rather play the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Bills in Texans. But there's something about playing a team
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: a third time that just bugs me. I don't want
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: to deal with it.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's it for me, That's exactly. I have the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: exact same list. I think the biggest thing with the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Bills is not necessarily did I fear that the Patriots,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: you know, we get blown off the field or anything
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thing that you just mentioned. It's just
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: weird when you play a team I love weird football.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: It's I don't like my team having a weird thing
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: It's just weird.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: It's a weird thing, like give me Bears packs. In
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: the NFC, I'll watch the hell out of that.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Right And when they've also played two games that were
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: decided within one score, that are both kind of toss
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: up games in the regular season, it's just it's bound
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: to be one of those kind of weird third time
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: through division things I just want no part of. I'm
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: with you on the Chargers. I think that this year,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: unfortunately for the Patriots, There's been years, you know, really
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: recent years where the two to seven matchup is a
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: cupcake for the two seed. It's like, yeah, an eight
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: and nine or nine and eight I should say Steelers team,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: or you know, a Colts team that doesn't have its
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: quarterback or you know whatever. You know, there's other permutations
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: of that happening, Sam, in the NFC, this isn't one
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: of those years. This is this is a deep playoff
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: field this year. In the AFC.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I do want to add one thing to all of this.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: There is a scenario that I've kind of been looking
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: at which goes beyond the first round. I'm trying to
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: remember exactly what it was.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: I think this is it, so.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: No one thing has to flip here there it is okay,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: so you can get to a spot. I think the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: ideal if I were to give you the ideal for
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, outside of getting the buy seating two to
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: seven Patriots, Jaguar, Steelers, Bills, Texans, Chargers, for that to happen,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: it's every favorite winning but the Texans. And the reason
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: that's important is if the Patriots take their business against
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: the Chargers. Yes, the Jags can beat the Texans, I think,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: and the Bills are gonna beat the Steelers obviously. Yeah,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: you now get there's actually another version of this anyway,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: there's some path I was trying to figure it out
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: where the Texans, Bills, and Broncos all have to play
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: each other before they get to the Patriots, and the
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots basically, oh, Jags Chargers to the AFC Championship.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: So I think that that's the path of that. I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: was also going to bring up it's Chargers Jaguars, right,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: because I think the big thing is is that everybody
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: has to remember because it's been a little bit since
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: we've had this these types of conversations, it recedes in
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: the NFL. So the lowest remaining seed is going to
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: go to Denver. So if the Patriots take care of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: business against the let's say call it the Chargers just
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: for this argument or this conversation, and either the five
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: or the six win their matchup, Denver is gonna draw
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: either Houston or Buffalo in the divisional round, which means
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: the Patriots would then get the Jaguars in that scenario, right,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: And so if that happens, and you could go Jaguars, Chargers, Jaguars,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: and then potentially you could be like hosting the Bills
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship game, you might not even need
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: to go on the road, because you know how I
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: feel about Denver. I'm not trying to make this Denver thing,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: but Broncos Bills or Broncos Texans is not a guarantee
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: that Denver wins that game. So, and that's the case,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: the Patriots all of a sudden could be in a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: position where they're hosting the AFC Championship game, which is
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: easily three straight home games is easily.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: So trying to remember exactly what the permutation of it.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Was, but this is also just sorry not to cut
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: you off, but this is all also why I think
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of important to play for the number
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: two seed because if you win the number two seed,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: the only place you can play on the road is Denver.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: And if Denver gets tripped up by one of those
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: wildcard teams that we're talking about the Texans are the Bills. Well,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: now you don't have to go on the road at all.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: And I know the Patriots are eight and zero on
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: the road and their road Warriors and all that stuff.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: It's the playoffs it's different, and the regular season it
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: actually bears out. You know, if you look at the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: last like three to five years, the regular season win
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: percentage for home road is pretty even. Yeah, but it's not.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: In the playoffs. It goes back to the home team heavily.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: And I think here's what it was. I think it
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: was Patriots, two Jags, three Ravens, four Texans, five, Bill six,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Chargers seven, because the Bills should beat the Jags in Jacksonville, right,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: the Ravens can knock off the I thought there was
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: some way where you got Bills.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: If the Bills and Texans both went in the first round.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: One of them would have to play the Patriots. So
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you need the Jacks to be playing one of those teams.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: You want the Jaguars to hold serve against their team,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: whether it's the Texans or the Bills. You rot the Texans,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: are the Bills to go to Denver, and you want
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars to come here. It's that. It's really that sense,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: right yeah, all right, let's uh the point. There's a
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: way you don't get.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: We're giving you one of those teams just in the chance.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody trying to follow. I'm working on the playoff machine
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: right now. I'm working on I'm trying to figure it out,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: But that's our ranking because everybody, all the emails are
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: who would you play? Who would you play? So buy
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: by the way, Chargers, Jaguars, Texans, Bills, that's our that's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: our from least scary to most scary.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: The the NFC playoff picture rules.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: I haven't even looked at it. I'm not gonna lie
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: so I I know what it is, but it's not
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: You could have Packers, Bears, y awesome, Eagles, Niners always
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: a fun game, and then even the four or five
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: could be Bucks Rams and I feel like those teams
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: have met in the playoffs kind of regularly recently, so
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: he gets some bad blood there. That's a fun that's
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: a fun field.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: So can we talk a little bit about the Dolphins
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: if you want, Yeah, let's do ten minutes on the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Dolphins to wrap this thing up. I am laying down
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: my sword. I am not gonna argue about Mike McDaniel,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: the head coach with you any longer you won this one,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: you were right. That's right, Okay, you've won this one.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna move on from Mike McDaniel.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: He's gonna go at worst seven and ten, at best
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: eight and nine. If they beat the Patriots on Sunday,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it might be a situation where he gets like this
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: to start next year, and if they start, they're one
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: and sick to start. I think this year, if they
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: start like that again, then he gets fired midseason. I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: don't know what they're gonna do. The one thing I
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: do know about Mike McDaniel, though, and I think we
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: are in agreement on this piece of it. Mike McDaniel
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: knows how to scheme an offense, he's a very good
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. And I have watched both games that they
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: played with quinn Eewers, I've been a little impressed.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: The reasons why quinn Ewers has not been terrible, especially
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: in the first half of games. He kind of falls
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: apart a little bit in the second half is because
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: they are just driving efficiency and spamming play action. Like
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: they are calling runs in play actions at a league
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: high rate since quinn Ewers went in there, it's a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: twenty percent play action rate to lead the league. In
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: the last two weeks is over seventy percent run action
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: run or play action pass to lead the league. So
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: they are just running the ball at eight chan and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: play action pass that That is what they are doing
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. But to yours' credit,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: to Mike mc daniel's credit, it's worked for the most part.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Now the second half is it falls apart. So this
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: is a big opening script versus out of the script split.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Right when they get those first twenty plays or so,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: they're absolutely humming. They're averaging seven almost eight yards of
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: play in the first half over the last two weeks
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: against the Bengals and the Bucks. It falls apart for
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: them in the second half. So I think the biggest
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: thing about this game that worries me a tad is
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: that this is a Dolphins team that can run the
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: football and run it well. They are top ten in
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: the league in EPA. Ighthn leads the league in explosive runs.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: He has forty runs over ten plus yards. This Yeri's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: having the fantastic season. So they can run the ball.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: They can run it out of heavy personnel. They're gonna
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: put the full back and gold he's gonna play, They're
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: gonna put the tight ends out there. They're gonna run
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: it heavy, and then they're gonna run play action off
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: the run heavy looks and they start fast and what
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: has the one thing that the Patriots defense has had
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: trouble with not started fast, not starting fast. So I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: don't think that this is a game that is going
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: to totally get away from the Patriot it's by any means,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: But it wouldn't shock me if it's a little dicey early,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: because I think the Dolphins have played pretty well, especially
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: over the last like eight or nine games. Defensively, they're
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: thirteenth in DVA during this little resurgence. If you want
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: to call it that. They've been six and three over
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: their last nine games. And I am not a you
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: ers guy, you know that. I don't think you were
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: too high on him either. He looks pretty poised to me,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: like he doesn't look too big for him. He can't
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: throw the ball down the field. He's got a little
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: bit of that like Mac Jones thing in him right
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: where it's like when he's in rhythm to the first
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: and second level. He's accurate, he's decisive, he's poised. If
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: you ask him to push the ball down the field
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: into tighter windows, he has problems. So I do think
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: there's some things matchup wise that I'm looking forward to
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: watching in this game. With one big caveat ye, does
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Miami care and does Miami show up? And does Miami
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: want to play in twenty five degree Foxborough weather on
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Sunday and not down in South Beach like they did
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: last week when they upset Tampa Bay, Like do they
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: give a craps.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Supposed to be thirty degrees a little onto thirty degrees
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: a kickoff?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: So if they are already one, two three Cancun, then
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: this game might look a little bit different than what
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: I think it could if the Dolphins care. But the Dolphins,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: if they care, if they play this string out and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. I like this matchup from
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: a standpoint of Unlike the Jets, who are just kind
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  Speaker 2: of in a bad way, the Dolphins have some things
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  Speaker 2: they could do that could hurt the Patriots, and it
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  Speaker 2: might be good to see the Patriots try to combat
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: those things. Whether it's like the Sky's coverage on defense
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  Speaker 2: with Cover two, whether it's the run game offensively of
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Miami attacking linebackers in coverage, right, like these types of
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  Speaker 2: things that we have some concerns with with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins can pull some of those levers.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: I think this is like kind of a game in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion. Now it's not Bills in Baltimore, right, Like,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: it's not that, But I think this is like a
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  Speaker 2: sneaky kind of could be an interesting game from that standpoint, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm gonna have more to chew on
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  Speaker 2: from this one than I did the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said earlier, a little more of a
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  Speaker 1: tune up game, yeah than maybe the Jets are and
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  Speaker 1: you know they've had trouble with the speed.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously good special teams.
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  Speaker 1: Teams still have to balance that too, But is it
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  Speaker 1: are the Dolphins showing up to play spoiler like they
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  Speaker 1: did in twenty nineteen or is kankun on three?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So they do have speed. The explosive players are
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: still definitely there, even without Tyreek Hill. You know Wattle
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  Speaker 2: ah Chan Malik Washington is a fast guy. Greg Doltic
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: to the tight end has kind of emerged. You have
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: you watched yours at all yet, because I he's kind
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: of got a little something something going on in the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Who is that quin yours? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I so, I have liked him and then
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: he kind of had that rough year at Texas. I
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: think he's maybe banged up, which didn't help. But I
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  Speaker 1: mean I think he's, like, I think he's a serviceable
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: NFL backups, starter kind of quarterbacks. So to see him
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: having this kind of success is not surprising. But how
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  Speaker 1: sustained is it? Usually with these guys, the wheels kind
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: of fall off the wagon. You just sort of hope
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: that's this week.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it certainly has fallen off the wagon for them
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  Speaker 2: in second half. The second half against Cincinnati was like
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: fumble interception fumble, turnover on downs and the Bengals just
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. Yeah, and all of a
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: sudden they were up by twenty points. So it's falling
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: apart from him in the second halves of these games.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: And they're driving up that Like I said earlier, they're
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: driving up that efficiency with play action, which is always
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of like a cheat code, you know,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: and you have good play action passing. It's easy to
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: play quarterback like that when you have the run game going,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: you have the play actions going. It's it's not a
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: lot of heavy lifting on the quarterback. But I thought
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  Speaker 2: that he's made some good decisions too, just you know,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: seeing the field pretty well. I don't know about the
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  Speaker 2: physical tools, you know, that's going to be the question
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  Speaker 2: with him. He's a little bit undersized. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if he has a big enough arm to push the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: ball down the field, by the way you have to
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: do at this level. But I can see what they
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: see in him because he's got that.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Like kind of discount brock party thing going on. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think you compared him to Bo Nicks at one point.
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  Speaker 2: Ur you know, I don't threak drafts like discount. Brock
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  Speaker 2: Party is not too disrespectful, right, Like, I feel like
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a fair.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Comp Rock Party is usually the one that gets discount
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: put in front of his name. So it depends and
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: people feel very different ways on Rock Party.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that Yours creates as well out
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: of structure as brock Party. Rock Party is kind of
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit frisky with that. You know, he can
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: run around a little bit and extend plays. I don't
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: think yours has that in him, but the I do
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: think the the element of it though, is you know
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: that offense when you run and you press the buttons
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: that you need to press and all that kind of
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, that offense can click just based off
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: the scheme. It's a good scheme, it's a good system.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Uh So you have that quarterback that can just kind
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: of push buttons, whether it's pretty or Jimmy gar Apollo
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: or maybe that's when yours, Like I could see why
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: McDaniel would like him, Yeah, because that's all he's going
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: to do. That neutral quarterback just make decisions that make
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: the right decision, Like it's buttons on the on the
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: PlayStation controller and when you.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Need to get a little frisky. You can get a
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: little frisky who run the ball around a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, we can take these last two calls,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: but we got to be quick. Shawn is in Vancouver.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: What's up, Sean?
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  Speaker 10: Happy New the year you guys?
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  Speaker 4: Do you have a great one today?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 10: You know, I want to give you both props. You know,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 10: back in twenty twenty four, you had really great analysis
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 10: of which quarterback the Patriots should take, whether it be
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 10: Daniels or You're welcome. And at the time, you know,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 10: I was probably even leading more than Daniels before I
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 10: heard it. But what you said made so much sense
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 10: in terms of like the likelihood that Daniels would his
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 10: frame was not quite what would work in terms of
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 10: the NFL for injury. He's likely to get injured. It
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: be scrambling around and taking hits. So you know, I
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 10: think it's it's worked out even better for the Patriots. Yeah,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 10: I love you know, I love the Drake. So that's uh,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 10: that's all I got to say. And and uh go pots.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks n Yeah, we talked about that a little bit yesterday.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I'm PU and I brought back my like criteria for
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: the number three overall pick and what I was looking for?
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  Speaker 2: Uh Tim, wrap us up? Tim, what's up?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 11: Can you hear me? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 11: Uh so, first time calling, a long time listening. I
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 11: remember in PU at the beginning of the season, there
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 11: was a conversation about thinking up if you could take
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 11: a quarter quarterback over Greg May?
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  Speaker 3: Who was his take?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 11: And there was about four or five quarterbacks that was said.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 11: I was gonna see what you can all agree. Drakes
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 11: was playing out of his mind. Is there five or
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: four quarterbacks that you can name that you still take over?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 11: Drag May?
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  Speaker 2: Drake, thanks for the call to him. I think I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: think as of right now, I've always put like the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: elite tier, the s tier of Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar and
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I think it is a gap, and I
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: think that Drake May is knocking on the club door
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: of that group. But until he wins in the playoffs,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's hard to hit him out at it.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: He's I mean, you know, if we want to say
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: starting a franchise, I might take him over some of
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: those guys because he's younger, right, there's more time ahead.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: But like you got to win a game today again,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: He's still that that. That's the next tier is winning
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: that winning more than one playoff game, not just one,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: winning more than one playoff game.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, all right, we got to wrap it up.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered will be up in ten minutes here here
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: from Mike Rabol around one ten one fifteen today as well.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll carry that live on PU so you
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: can see that there and we'll be back next week.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Can you believe it, Barth? We're going to talk about
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: a playoff game?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: First time? First? That's true. Last time we talked about
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: a play off game it was in our former podcast,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: So this is pretty cool. We'll talk about a Patriots
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: playoff game or maybe they're going to be on the
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: buye who knows, we'll be talking to play Yeah, we'll
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: do that next Wednesday, so we'll see you guys. Then. Hey,
• 1:51:15
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