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Sharri | 4 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's head of counter terrorism, Sebastian Gorka, has a
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Speaker 3: strong warning for alban easy to invest more in our defense.
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Speaker 2: He also has this message for terrorists, we.
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Speaker 1: Will find you and we will kill you. That's a promise.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't hold back, and he reveals his plans for
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Speaker 3: how they're going to come after terrorists. My exclusive interview
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Speaker 3: coming up. And it's been another explosive day at the
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Speaker 3: mushroom trial, Aaron Patterson's evidence as to why she didn't
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Speaker 3: fall ill after eating beef Wellington. Jim Chalmers shows no
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Speaker 3: signs of stopping his supertacks. This is the cost of
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Speaker 3: net zero hits nine billion dollars a year. We'll talk
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Speaker 3: about this with Michael Kroger and Graham Richardson and missing
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Speaker 3: teen Phoebe Bishop's housemate arrested as he breaks his silence.
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Speaker 3: All of that coming up, but first tonight, Donald Trump's
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Speaker 3: top counter terrorism director has doubled down on the warning
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Speaker 3: to Anthony Alberanizi to ramp up our defense spending. It
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Speaker 3: looks like this is going to be a major sticking
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Speaker 3: point in Australia's relationship with the United States. Trump's director
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Speaker 3: for Counter Terror, Sebastian Gorka tells me tonight that the
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Speaker 3: threat of communist China is.
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Speaker 2: More grave than terror, and he made the claim is he.
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Speaker 3: Reinforced the message that Australia needs to lift its defense spending,
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Speaker 3: and he says President Trump expects Australia to take the
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Speaker 3: threats to its citizens seriously.
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Speaker 4: You are measured by how seriously you take the threats
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Speaker 4: to your citizens to your sovereignty. And if you wish
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Speaker 4: to be understood as friends, as allies and partners, that
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Speaker 4: requires certain traits and certain behaviors to be met. And
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Speaker 4: committing to your own defense so we are stronger together
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Speaker 4: is clearly one of them. So the people of Australia,
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Speaker 4: the government they choose, will decide the exact percentages of GDP.
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Speaker 4: But I think the President will have an opinion when
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Speaker 4: he meets with his Australian counterpart.
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Speaker 3: That full exclusive interview coming up shortly now.
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Speaker 2: The US view is.
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Speaker 3: That the threat to our region from China means we
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Speaker 3: urgently need a stronger defense capability. Beijing has invested heavily
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Speaker 3: to modernize its military for over a decade, and some
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Speaker 3: say they're well ahead of America in terms of defense tech.
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Speaker 3: Trump's vision ists to develop a Golden Dome defense system
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Speaker 3: to protect America against ballistic missiles. It's inspired by Israel's
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Speaker 3: Ion Dome, which mostly keeps its citizens safe from air attack,
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Speaker 3: and Trump draws on Reagan's plan for a strategic defense
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Speaker 3: initiative from during the Cold War.
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Speaker 2: There are even.
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Speaker 3: Calls for interceptors in space to block incoming attacks, and
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Speaker 3: that would truly be revolutionary. But America wants to share
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Speaker 3: the cost of defending the West militarily.
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Speaker 2: I mean, currently the.
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Speaker 3: US is expected to shoulder the burden of defending any
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Speaker 3: country in the West should it become vulnerable to enemy
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Speaker 3: onslaught now. Gorka's message tonight comes after Defense Secretary Pete
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Speaker 3: Hegseth said the Trump administration expects Australia to lift its
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Speaker 3: defense spend from two percent to three and a half
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Speaker 3: percent of GDP.
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Speaker 2: And here he was at the Shangrila dialogue.
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Speaker 5: Our defense spending must reflect the dangers and threats that
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Speaker 5: we face today, because deterrence doesn't come on the cheap.
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Speaker 5: Just to ask the American taxpayer, time is of the essence.
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Speaker 5: We must step up and move out with urgency.
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Speaker 3: What's deeply worrying is we've seen no sign that Alberzi
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Speaker 3: is taking these warnings seriously, warnings that don't only come
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Speaker 3: from the Trump administration but from multiple security and defense agencies.
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Speaker 2: Adding to the pressure was even the.
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Speaker 3: Australian Defense FOSS chief David Johnston, who today said the
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Speaker 3: government expenditure needs to increase.
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Speaker 6: Putting the case to government to increase the defense expenditure
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Speaker 6: where we believe it is needed to meet particular outcomes
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Speaker 6: in the process of doing that work and building that
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Speaker 6: advice to government.
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Speaker 3: Now, Albanesi's weak response to these mounting calls for a
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Speaker 3: stronger defense spend speaks to his own complacency, and not
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Speaker 3: just complacency, but naivety about the world we're living in.
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Speaker 3: The Australian's Foreign editor, Greg Sheridan brutally mocked Richard Miles's
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Speaker 3: comments at the Shangri La conference, saying his speech was
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Speaker 3: more like a wooly foreign affairs thumbsucker than that of
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Speaker 3: a defense minister. Sheridan writes with some alarm that Miles
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Speaker 3: has simply suggested more multilateral processes.
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Speaker 2: He says, of course, more multilateral process is just what.
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Speaker 3: We need to deter the Chinese from taking military action
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Speaker 3: against Taiwan. Brilliant, Don't get me wrong, he rights, arms
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Speaker 3: control treaties can make a contribution. They've got nothing to
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Speaker 3: do with the urgent.
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Speaker 2: Tasks of today.
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Speaker 3: But the whole point of the Albanese government domestically and
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Speaker 3: in national security is to avoid the urgent tasks of today.
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Speaker 3: And Sheridan concludes that Albinizi has not secured any new
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Speaker 3: defense assets for Australia and also that we're less capable
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Speaker 3: militarily now than when the Prime Minister first came to office.
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Speaker 3: Another foreign policy expert, Ross Babbage says the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: is betting that he can convince Trump to accept the
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Speaker 3: government's minimalist plan for defense spending during the next decade
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Speaker 3: without doing serious damage to the US Australia alliance, and
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Speaker 3: he has this warning.
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Speaker 2: He says.
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Speaker 3: Most important is the challenge of Beijing's surging military power,
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Speaker 3: its extensive preparations to fight a major war, and its
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Speaker 3: aggressive behavior towards Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines and other regional democracies. Now,
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Speaker 3: foreign policy experts have different views on whether China does
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Speaker 3: intend to reunify to Taiwan or not, and the time
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Speaker 3: frame for that. Hegseth has suggested China could take military
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Speaker 3: action against Taiwan imminently.
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Speaker 2: Others aren't so sure.
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Speaker 3: But it's not just unpredictability around China that's a concern.
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Speaker 3: We've seen Russia intent on expansion starting with Ukraine, and
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Speaker 3: Iran is getting closer to nuclear capability every day. A
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Speaker 3: confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency revealed that
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Speaker 3: Iran had ramped up production of sixty percent enriched uranium
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Speaker 3: this year. It's increased at stockpile from two hundred and
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Speaker 3: seventy four kilograms to four hundred and eight kilograms and
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Speaker 3: that's just since February. Now, Chump has engaged in five
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Speaker 3: rounds of talks with Iran. He says he prefers diplomacy,
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Speaker 3: but Tehran is developing near weapons grade uranium stockpiles while
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Speaker 3: these talks are underway. I mean, it's getting ridiculous and
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Speaker 3: it might be time to face reality and strike their
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Speaker 3: nuclear capabilities before their weapons are ready to fire. The
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Speaker 3: reality is our enemies are emboldened and we need to
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Speaker 3: have the best possible defenses, both as protection and as
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Speaker 3: a strong deterrent. It seems like the Albanese government is
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Speaker 3: wilfully blind to the threats we face and also their
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Speaker 3: role in standing up to them. Now, I want to
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Speaker 3: go to a couple of fascinating cases in the news
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Speaker 3: at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, you may have been worried about missing teenager Phoebe Bishop. Well,
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Speaker 3: there's been a major development today as her housemate James
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Speaker 3: Wood was arrested by police. He was taken into custody
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Speaker 3: to assist police with their questions about her disappearance. No
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Speaker 3: charges have been laid against him now. Phoebe's flatmates James
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Speaker 3: and Tanika Bromley, were the last to see her alive
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Speaker 3: as they drove her to the airport and she was
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Speaker 3: set to board a flight to visit her boyfriend in Wa.
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Speaker 3: The Daily Mail has reported that Phoebe was on the
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Speaker 3: phone to her boyfriend during that drive and he reportedly
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Speaker 3: heard them arguing. Just hours before Jason was arrested, he
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Speaker 3: broke his silence telling The Mail about him and his
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Speaker 3: partner leaving the car they were dropping Phoebe off at
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Speaker 3: the airport in after arguing with her, he said we
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Speaker 3: wanted to give her five minutes. Give her her own
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Speaker 3: space to do what she needed to do.
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Speaker 2: We walked to the end.
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Speaker 3: It was maybe five minutes, maybe it was three minutes,
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Speaker 3: or maybe it was eight, but that's about how long
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Speaker 3: we were gone, and he says that Phoebe wasn't in
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Speaker 3: the car when they returned. Images have also been released
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Speaker 3: of the house where the three had been living. As
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Speaker 3: that police investigation continues, let's turn to the other case
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Speaker 3: that's gripping our nation, the mushroom trial. And it's been
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Speaker 3: another fascinating day in Victoria's Latrobe Valley Courthouse, which was
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Speaker 3: once again packed with onlookers keen to hear the evidence
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Speaker 3: of accused killer Erin Pattison. It was Patterson's third day
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Speaker 3: on the stand, and it was the first time she
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Speaker 3: publicly recounted that fatal lunch. She started by telling the
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Speaker 3: court she made deviations to the beef Wellington recipe and
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Speaker 3: admitted that it was possible wild foraged mushrooms had somehow
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Speaker 3: got mixed up with the store bought once Now, the
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Speaker 3: reason for Patterson's revelations yesterday about her binge eating disorder
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Speaker 3: became clear today in the witness box today, she said
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Speaker 3: she had also eaten the beef Wellington meal, but said
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Speaker 3: she vomited afterwards. She said she had a piece of cake,
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Speaker 3: and another piece of cake, and then another. She said,
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Speaker 3: I felt sick, I felt over full, so I went
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Speaker 3: to the toilets and brought it back up again. And
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Speaker 3: she today confirmed that she was planning on getting weight
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Speaker 3: loss surgery, but was too embarrassed to tell her guests,
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Speaker 3: so instead lied and said she had cancer because she
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Speaker 3: said she knew she'd need help, she'd need the grandparents
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Speaker 3: help with the children while she was getting that weight
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Speaker 3: loss treatment. Now her evidence raises some questions. Could this
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Speaker 3: have been a tragic accident as she claimed, But Patterson
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Speaker 3: hasn't faced cross examination yet, so there is still much more.
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Speaker 2: To unpack before we get to the bottom of this.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to bring you more details than this
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Speaker 3: evidence with reporter Ellie Dudley later in the show. Richo
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Speaker 3: and Michael Kraiger are coming up shortly. But first President
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump appointed Sebastian Gorka as his Director of Counter
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Speaker 3: Terrorism at a time when that role couldn't be more important,
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Speaker 3: with support for terror infiltrating our Western institutions. I sat
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Speaker 3: down with mister Gorka a little earlier to talk about
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Speaker 3: the Colorado terror attack and what the Trump administration is
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Speaker 3: planning to do to keep the West safe from terror.
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Speaker 3: He also pushed the albert Easy government to increase its
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Speaker 3: defense spending. Following Pete Hegseth's stern words to Richard Miles,
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Speaker 3: here's our interview Sebastian Gorka. It's great to have you
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Speaker 3: back on the show. Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Pleasures mind has been far too long, my friend.
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Speaker 3: Look, the suspect in the Colorado attack was an illegal
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Speaker 3: immigrant from Egypt. Why was he still in the country
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Speaker 3: and do you think the United States needs to be
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Speaker 3: more careful about who it allows in.
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Speaker 4: Leading question, Council, Why was he here Because for the
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Speaker 4: last four years under the Biden Harris administration, we had
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Speaker 4: no national sovereignty. Your viewers may find this hard to believe,
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Speaker 4: but under Kamala Harris the borders are they basically dismantled
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Speaker 4: our border. If you don't believe what I'm about to say,
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Speaker 4: that's okay, check it out for yourself.
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Speaker 1: But you could download an app.
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Speaker 4: On your mobile phone paid for by the US taxpayer
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Speaker 4: called CBP one.
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Speaker 1: And that counts.
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Speaker 4: That stands for Customs and Border Protection, and anyone in
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Speaker 4: the world, no matter who you are, cartel member, terrorist,
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Speaker 4: you haadis could apply for asylum on this app get
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Speaker 4: a registration number and when they crossed illegally into the
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Speaker 4: United States, waive that registration number at the CVP officer
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Speaker 4: and be ushered into the United States.
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Speaker 1: So zero vetting of maybe twenty twenty one illegals.
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Speaker 4: Twenty one million illegals allowed into the country in the
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Speaker 4: last four years. That's why we have events like Coolora.
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Speaker 4: But here's the good news. We have sealed the border.
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Speaker 4: Under Secretary Nome Tom Homan. The borders are has helped
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Speaker 4: to deport almost a.
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Speaker 1: Quarter of million illegals.
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Speaker 4: Stephen Miller, the Homeland Security Advisor, is working night and
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Speaker 4: day with regards to the cartels and cash Betel and
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Speaker 4: Dan bone Gina, my friends of the FBI are routing
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Speaker 4: the terrorists led into this country by Biden and by Harris.
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Speaker 4: We've started the work. It isn't over yet, but finally
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Speaker 4: we are back. America is back in the caniterrorism business.
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Speaker 3: The left are trying to claim this horrific Colorado attack
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Speaker 3: was not terrorism.
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Speaker 2: What's your response to this, Well.
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Speaker 4: I'm just glad that we won the election, that the
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Speaker 4: patriots that love this country, seventy seven million of them.
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Speaker 4: One I'll give you a little bit of inside baseball.
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Speaker 4: I was drive when I got the news. As senior
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Speaker 4: director of Canaterrorism in the White House and the National
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Speaker 4: Security Council, I drove to the White House Sunday night
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Speaker 4: to the situation Room to get the intelligence briefing on
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Speaker 4: what exactly is happening. As I was driving into the
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Speaker 4: White House compound, I was on my phone to catch Bettel,
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Speaker 4: the director of the FBI, to his deputy Dan bone Gino,
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Speaker 4: and can I just tell you how well shocking on
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Speaker 4: the one hand, but then what a relief it is
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Speaker 4: to have them in charge.
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Speaker 1: I was being told.
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Speaker 4: By our chief law enforcement officers that the local woke
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Speaker 4: authorities were saying, oh, no, no, no, this isn't terrorism.
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Speaker 4: Too early to say, Cash and Dan had already tweeted
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Speaker 4: that this is jihadi terrorism because we can see the
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Speaker 4: videos on Twitter of this man shouting Free Palestine, shouting
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Speaker 4: epithets at those elderly Jewish Americans as he tried to
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Speaker 4: burn them alive. So we are booking truth to the
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Speaker 4: global Jihattie threat and the era of sweeping it under
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Speaker 4: the carpet is over.
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Speaker 1: Shari.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned he was shouting free Palestine. Well, we've now
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Speaker 3: seen a spate of anti Semitic terror attacks in the
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Speaker 3: United States, Joshapiro's home, the murder of the Israeli diplomats
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Speaker 3: in Washington, Colorado, other similar attacks around the world as well.
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Speaker 3: In Australia we've had synagogue's firebomb. So is the free
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Speaker 3: Palestine cause justifying violence, even murder and even terror attacks
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Speaker 3: against Jews.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear what Hamas is.
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Speaker 4: Don't take my word for it. Listened to them in
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Speaker 4: their founding charter from nineteen eighty four. In the third
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Speaker 4: paragraph they state we are a part of the equan
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Speaker 4: muslimin of the Muslim Brotherhood. What is the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Speaker 4: It is that organization that was created in the nineteen
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Speaker 4: twenties after the first President of Turkey dissolved the last
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Speaker 4: theocratic caliph fate, when Mustafa kemal Attituk said, no, we
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Speaker 4: are separating mosque and state. We're going to secularize the
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Speaker 4: Muslim world. Within four years, the Muslim Brotherhood was born
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Speaker 4: with one mandate and one mission to recreate the fascistic
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Speaker 4: theocratic regime of Islamism under a new caliphate. From the
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Speaker 4: Muslim Brotherhood, all the way through to al Qaeder, to Isis,
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Speaker 4: to Hamas to al Lustra, we have the recredescence of
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Speaker 4: global jihadism. So it's not a question just look at
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Speaker 4: what these people did. I've seen the un edited video
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Speaker 4: from October the seventh of children being killed, young girls
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Speaker 4: at that concert in Israel hiding in a bathroom being
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Speaker 4: mowed down by Hamas. Why because they're Jewish girls, That's
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Speaker 4: the only reason. So the President has rightly called this
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Speaker 4: out for what it is, as has the Vice President.
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Speaker 4: This is a war between civilization, the Judeo Christian civilization
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Speaker 4: and barbarity, and we will not stop until the barbarians
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Speaker 4: are defeated.
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Speaker 3: The Director General of ASIO here in Australia said that
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Speaker 3: antisemitism is the greatest threat to life in our country.
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Speaker 3: Would you agree that's the case in America as well?
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Speaker 3: And is there a link between false accusations against Israel
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Speaker 3: and the surgeon terrorism that we are seeing.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't speak for the services of the people of Australia,
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Speaker 4: but I wouldn't say it's anti Semitism. It is anti Semitism,
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Speaker 4: it is anti Westernism. Why because the Jihades again don't
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Speaker 4: listen to me, listen to what they preach. They say,
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Speaker 4: first we come after the Saturday people, meaning the Jews,
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Speaker 4: and then we come after the Sunday people meet, meaning
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Speaker 4: of the Christians.
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Speaker 1: So it's exactly as the President said.
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Speaker 4: In his most important speech to date, which I consider
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Speaker 4: to be the Warsaw speech he gave in the summer
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Speaker 4: of twenty seventeen, which wasn't about anti Semitism or anti
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Speaker 4: Christian violence. He lumped it all together and he asked
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Speaker 4: the question of the age, and I'll just quote him
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Speaker 4: from that incredible speech that I recommend all of your
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Speaker 4: viewers go and watch. You can watch it Warsaw Summer
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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen. Near the end of the speech, he said,
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Speaker 4: the only question of the age is whether we in
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Speaker 4: the West have the will to fight and defeat those
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Speaker 4: who are trying to destroy our civilization. Whether it's the
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Speaker 4: anti Semites, whether it's the anti Christians, the anti Westerners,
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Speaker 4: they want to kill all of us.
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Speaker 3: Mister Gorka, how do you, as the counter terrorism chief
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Speaker 3: deal with this increasingly violent movement that's justifying their horrific
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Speaker 3: actions on the basis.
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Speaker 2: Of anti Zionism. What will you do about it?
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Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things. We are on the cusp
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Speaker 4: of releasing. We've drafted the President's new US counter Terrorism strategy.
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Speaker 4: In it, you will see the details. The vast portion
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Speaker 4: of it is unclassified. There will be some classified annexes.
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Speaker 4: But when it comes to what I can talk about
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Speaker 4: publicly on sky News, So number one, we're going to
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Speaker 4: talk truthfully about the threat.
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Speaker 1: We're not going to have the FBI.
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Speaker 4: Or the Intelligence services seveil Catholics in Virginia because they're
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Speaker 4: going to Latin mass We're not going to have seventy
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Speaker 4: two year old grandmothers hounded by law enforcement because they
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Speaker 4: took selfies peaceably on January sixth. So we're going to
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Speaker 4: go back to an a political threat assessment of what
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Speaker 4: the actual threats are. Then we're going to take on
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Speaker 4: the priority threats, whether it's Al Qaeda, whether it's ISIS
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Speaker 4: or others. Going to continue what we've done for the
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Speaker 4: last one hundred and thirty three days, which is massive
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Speaker 4: decapitation operations. When we came in to the White House
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Speaker 4: for a second time on day eight of the second administration,
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Speaker 4: President Trump said, we are returning to the rules of
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Speaker 4: engagement from the first administration, and we are going to
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Speaker 4: kill high value targets where we see them. Since that time,
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Speaker 4: we have killed over one hundred and sixty jihades across
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Speaker 4: the planet, the majority of them hvt's high value targets.
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Speaker 4: So we're going to.
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Speaker 1: Create a decapitation effect in the most dangerous organizations.
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Speaker 4: Then we're going to ask our partners, our closest characterist
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Speaker 4: and partners to step up to the plate to suppress
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Speaker 4: those threats where they have the capability to do so.
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Speaker 4: And then we're going to take the ideology seriously. This
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Speaker 4: isn't about poor people or stupid people, as the Biden
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Speaker 4: and Obama administrations that have you believe. This is about ideology.
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Speaker 4: It's not about poverty. It's about those who subscribe to
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Speaker 4: the ideology of jihad. And we're going to have very
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Speaker 4: aggressive counter propaganda campaigns to delegitimize groups like Al Qaeder
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Speaker 4: and ISIS. And then, lastly, something that's very personal to
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Speaker 4: me because my friends had suffered at the hands of
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Speaker 4: the Biden Department of Justice and the Biden FBI, we
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Speaker 4: are going to rip politics out of the practice of
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Speaker 4: counter terrorism. No more using the massive tools of the
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Speaker 4: US law enforcement and intelligence community, whether it's the Patriot Act,
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Speaker 4: the vice of courts to go after people because they
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Speaker 4: are patriots or conservatives. No raids at Mara Lago under
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Speaker 4: the cover of national security. We're going to do national
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Speaker 4: security a politically to keep Americans safe and not to
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Speaker 4: use these powers as a political weapon. That's all I
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Speaker 4: can give you is a sneak peak of what to
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Speaker 4: expect in the weeks and months and years to come.
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Speaker 3: We look forward to all of that playing out, and
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Speaker 3: I assume, along with al qaeder Isis, you'd be including
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Speaker 3: Hamas in that.
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Speaker 4: List anybody who threatens us, our citizens, our nationalistresss, or
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Speaker 4: our friends and allies. And then, to quote the President
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Speaker 4: in the viral tweet that he posted after our first
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Speaker 4: counter terrorism operation eleven days into this administration, it is
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 1: Have the lanyard on me.
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Speaker 4: It is the acronym from our lanyardwfy WWKY.
23:29
Speaker 1: We will find you and we will kill you. That's
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Speaker 1: a promise from the President, the Commander in chief himself.
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Speaker 2: Love to hear that music to my ears.
23:41
Speaker 3: We're also seeing today the breaking news that Chinese nationals
23:44
Speaker 3: have been charged with smuggling a potential agro terrorism pathogen
23:48
Speaker 3: into the US. What damage did this have the capability
23:52
Speaker 3: to do?
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk about the current threat assessment
23:56
Speaker 4: with breaking news of this variety, but I'll put it
23:59
Speaker 4: into broader contact. So what I'm about to say may
24:01
Speaker 4: shaky shari. When I came into this building eight years ago,
24:05
Speaker 4: I came here as a counted terrorism guy who'd been
24:08
Speaker 4: doing that for more than twenty years. But as soon
24:12
Speaker 4: as I started reading all the intelligence the President's daily briefing,
24:16
Speaker 4: I realized, we will deal with al Qaeda.
24:19
Speaker 1: We will deal with ISIS as we.
24:21
Speaker 4: Did when we crashed when we crushed the caliphate eight
24:24
Speaker 4: years ago. But the number one strategic threat we face
24:29
Speaker 4: as the West isn't terrorism. We will manage that. I
24:32
Speaker 4: think you in Australia know what the number one threat is.
24:35
Speaker 4: That is the world's largest communist dictatorship.
24:38
Speaker 1: It is China. You don't even need to have a
24:40
Speaker 1: clearance like I do.
24:41
Speaker 4: You can read the open source materials from Beijing. Go
24:47
Speaker 4: away right now after this show and plug into the internet.
24:51
Speaker 4: The phrase unrestricted warfare read that book that is now
24:55
Speaker 4: translated for free in English from two senior p LA
25:00
Speaker 4: colonels that give the game plan on how to take
25:03
Speaker 4: down countries like America, like Australia. Understand what the One Belt,
25:08
Speaker 4: One Road a Litan initiative really means. Understand that the
25:13
Speaker 4: Beijing authorities have themselves stated that for the one hundredth
25:18
Speaker 4: anniversary of the Chinese Revolution in twenty forty nine, they
25:22
Speaker 4: have one goal and one goal alone, to be the
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Speaker 4: only superpower in the world, with every other nation a satrope,
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Speaker 4: a tributary nation or defeated.
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Speaker 1: So why is China doing this?
25:35
Speaker 4: Because they have a game plan and we have to
25:38
Speaker 4: take it seriously. And the good news is President Trump
25:41
Speaker 4: takes it very seriously. His advisers like Peter Navarro, Scott Bessant,
25:46
Speaker 4: they also take it very very seriously. Pete Hexth gets
25:49
Speaker 4: it as well, so does Talca Gabbert, so does John
25:52
Speaker 4: Ratliffe at the CIA. We will deal with the terrorists,
25:55
Speaker 4: but we also must understand the threat that colmnist China
26:00
Speaker 4: represents to all decent, civilized, free nations.
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Speaker 3: It's this threat of communist China that saw Pete Hegseth
26:10
Speaker 3: tell Australia it needed to lift its investment in defense.
26:13
Speaker 3: We're currently around two percent of GDP. He says it
26:17
Speaker 3: needs to be three and a half percent. Can we
26:19
Speaker 3: expect President Trump to reinforce this message when he meets
26:23
Speaker 3: with our Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi at the G seven
26:26
Speaker 3: and more generally, where in the region, even the frontline
26:30
Speaker 3: of where China is asserting itself. Is it particularly important
26:35
Speaker 3: then in your view for Australia to lift our investment
26:38
Speaker 3: in defense.
26:40
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not going to steal the president's thunder. I
26:42
Speaker 4: think what he's said to NATO nations, what he did
26:46
Speaker 4: in the first administration to get those who weren't paying
26:50
Speaker 4: enough into the collected defense alliance that is NATO, and
26:53
Speaker 4: how he got them to do so speaks for itself.
26:55
Speaker 4: But I will say, and I won't go into details.
26:59
Speaker 4: We've only been here for what four months, and I've
27:03
Speaker 4: had several meetings with our colleagues, our Australian Canaterrism national
27:08
Speaker 4: security colleagues. It has been a delight and we consider
27:11
Speaker 4: you to be one of our closest, closest five eyed
27:15
Speaker 4: partners in national security. But I say to you what
27:20
Speaker 4: I say to every nation. You are measured by how
27:24
Speaker 4: seriously you take the threats to your citizens, to your sovereignty.
27:28
Speaker 4: And if you wish to be understood as friends, as
27:33
Speaker 4: allies and partners, that requires certain traits and certain behaviors
27:39
Speaker 4: to be met. And committing to your own defense so
27:42
Speaker 4: we are stronger together is clearly one of them. So
27:45
Speaker 4: the people of Australia, the government they choose, will decide
27:49
Speaker 4: the exact percentages of GDP, but I think the President
27:54
Speaker 4: will have an opinion when he meets with his Australian counterpart.
28:00
Speaker 3: Sebastian Golck. I know how busy you are at the
28:02
Speaker 3: White House. I really appreciate you taking the time to
28:04
Speaker 3: speak with us once again.
28:06
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, God.
28:08
Speaker 1: Blessed, Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.
28:12
Speaker 2: And still to come.
28:12
Speaker 3: The cost of net zero is now nine billion a
28:16
Speaker 3: year net zero up from six hundred million annually a
28:19
Speaker 3: decade ago. Plus Jim Chalmers shows no signs of backing
28:23
Speaker 3: down on plans to tax unrealized capital gains. I'll speak
28:27
Speaker 3: about all of this with Graham Richardson, who was part
28:29
Speaker 3: of Keating's cabinet when super was introduced.
28:32
Speaker 2: Also Michael Kroger.
28:34
Speaker 3: Next, we're watching Treasurer Jim Chalmers at his press conference today.
28:42
Speaker 3: There's no indication he's for turning on the super tax
28:45
Speaker 3: or on the plans to tax unrealized capital gains. Charmers
28:50
Speaker 3: said he views this as tax reform.
28:53
Speaker 2: That's questionable.
28:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a change which he's modest, is methodical.
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Speaker 1: As I said, it's been on the books four years now.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: There's a variety of views in the Coalition about whether
29:06
Speaker 3: they should or shouldn't negotiate with Labor on this. Shadow
29:10
Speaker 3: Treasurer Toet O'Brien says, if Charmers scraps the unrealized capital
29:14
Speaker 3: gains tax.
29:15
Speaker 2: Component, he'd be open to doing a deal.
29:19
Speaker 3: Wouldn't the coalition supporting the super tax indicate that the
29:22
Speaker 3: Coalition does support higher taxes And wasn't this one of
29:26
Speaker 3: the issues that the Coalition had during the election campaign.
29:31
Speaker 8: Well, look, if Labor did walk away from the components
29:36
Speaker 8: of its current measure Shari, it would depend on what
29:38
Speaker 8: they put on the table for discussion.
29:41
Speaker 3: But James Patterson, Tim Wilson, and Matt Canavan, among others,
29:45
Speaker 3: are all firmly against these laws.
29:49
Speaker 8: We're very proud to oppose it because we think it's
29:51
Speaker 8: bad tax law. And that's why it's so important to
29:54
Speaker 8: defeat it now, because they're looking not just the revenue
29:57
Speaker 8: they're going to be able to get from Super, looking
30:00
Speaker 8: at the revenue they're going to be able to get
30:02
Speaker 8: all over people's private investments.
30:05
Speaker 9: Well, there's no way at hell will support attacks on
30:09
Speaker 9: people that don't have the means to pay for it.
30:12
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in our regular Wednesday panel Farmer,
30:15
Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroeger, and labor legend Graham Richardson.
30:19
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
30:21
Speaker 3: Richard, you were a senior member of Keating's team when
30:24
Speaker 3: the super scheme was originally established. I mean, I'm told
30:28
Speaker 3: we heard Robert Gottleibson on the show on.
30:31
Speaker 2: Thursday last week.
30:32
Speaker 3: He says Paul Keating is white hot with anger over this.
30:37
Speaker 2: So, Richo, how worried are you about.
30:40
Speaker 3: These laws, the super tax laws, but also the plans
30:43
Speaker 3: to tax unrealized capital gains?
30:46
Speaker 10: Well, I think, if I put it this way, these
30:52
Speaker 10: are not things that I would do were I running
30:54
Speaker 10: the show. I think there's some risk involved, and I'm
30:59
Speaker 10: not sure why we're taking that risk.
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Speaker 3: Have you heard as well that Keating's really angry about this,
31:05
Speaker 3: sees it as a threat to the superannuation scheme that
31:09
Speaker 3: he set up, because it risks turning it into you know,
31:14
Speaker 3: for people with money up to a certain point, not
31:17
Speaker 3: a broad based scheme.
31:19
Speaker 10: Yeah, it certainly underlines the Keating original package. You remember
31:27
Speaker 10: Keating was doing this decades ago, and he's entitled, I think,
31:34
Speaker 10: to have some pride of authorship and to be pretty
31:38
Speaker 10: angry when people start to dismantle all that he set up.
31:45
Speaker 3: You think we're going to hear from him. You think
31:47
Speaker 3: he'll intervene in the debate.
31:50
Speaker 10: Yep, I don't know that. By the way, that's not
31:53
Speaker 10: inside information, that's just knowing.
31:55
Speaker 1: Paul.
31:55
Speaker 10: I can't imagine you'll let all this simply go by
31:58
Speaker 10: without a word.
32:02
Speaker 2: Michael.
32:02
Speaker 3: The Coalition needs to return to being the party of
32:04
Speaker 3: lower taxes.
32:05
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that.
32:06
Speaker 3: But the trouble is Labour's then going to do a
32:09
Speaker 3: deal with the Greens over this, and that means the
32:12
Speaker 3: legislation will end up even.
32:14
Speaker 2: Worse, won't it.
32:18
Speaker 11: Well, they have to have the Greens approval in the
32:20
Speaker 11: Senate to get it passed, and that will happen unless
32:23
Speaker 11: Charmers does the right thing and knocks off this nonsense.
32:27
Speaker 11: He'll do it to other greens and it'll get passed,
32:29
Speaker 11: whether three million or two and a half million. There
32:31
Speaker 11: might be a few changes here and there, but it
32:32
Speaker 11: doesn't look like he's backing away from the major problem,
32:34
Speaker 11: which is this proposed tax and unrealized gains for superbalances
32:39
Speaker 11: above three million. So it looks to me as if
32:42
Speaker 11: he's proceeding with this. But Sarry, this is what you
32:45
Speaker 11: get when you've got a treasurer that's never had any
32:48
Speaker 11: business experience. Has he ever invested in shares in his life?
32:50
Speaker 11: Has he ever made a loss or a gain on shares?
32:53
Speaker 11: Does he understand the trauma you go through when you
32:56
Speaker 11: make any type of financial investments? Is Albanez he had
32:59
Speaker 11: any money in shares apart from the super funds. Have
33:01
Speaker 11: they ever taken a risk in business themselves? Run a business,
33:04
Speaker 11: open to business, closed a business, you know, invested in
33:08
Speaker 11: public companies, invested in private companies. These people have no idea, right,
33:11
Speaker 11: they have no idea, They have no idea that you know,
33:14
Speaker 11: a lot of these tech startups the UK, as others
33:17
Speaker 11: have said, you can't you can't cash them out.
33:19
Speaker 1: You can't you can't.
33:21
Speaker 11: See your shares a lot of these tech startups, for example,
33:24
Speaker 11: for years, until they reach a certain level where where
33:27
Speaker 11: you can get some kind of venture funding, or you
33:29
Speaker 11: can be listed, or you can sell to a bigger entity.
33:32
Speaker 11: This is just gross inexperience from people have no idea
33:36
Speaker 11: what they're doing. Treasury have shunted this in front of them,
33:40
Speaker 11: told him it's a gratty and Jim, with no idea
33:42
Speaker 11: what he's doing, is said, Okay, there's a couple of
33:44
Speaker 11: billion a year and I'm in for it. I'm up
33:46
Speaker 11: for it, and no, that's what's happened.
33:48
Speaker 3: Look, I think you're right from the perspective of whether
33:51
Speaker 3: it's tech startups or farming families.
33:54
Speaker 2: Dynasties, there's going to be a lot of unintended consequences.
33:58
Speaker 3: Now, let's have a look at this fastating research from
34:00
Speaker 3: the IPA Matthew Crownston in the Australian Rights that the
34:04
Speaker 3: federal government spending on climate change and net zero policies
34:08
Speaker 3: has reached nine billion dollars a year. This is reportedly
34:13
Speaker 3: up from six hundred million a year just a decade earlier,
34:16
Speaker 3: and up more than four hundred percent in the last
34:18
Speaker 3: term of parliament.
34:20
Speaker 2: Richard, what do you think about this?
34:22
Speaker 3: I mean, at a time where there's a lot of
34:23
Speaker 3: pressure on the budget, cost of living crisis, pressure to
34:26
Speaker 3: find more money for defense, is this worth it? Nine
34:30
Speaker 3: billion a year is a delivering value for taxpayers?
34:33
Speaker 10: No, I think we're going overboard on this. I support
34:39
Speaker 10: the principle, but when you look at the practice, you've
34:43
Speaker 10: got to be I think sensible enough to keep the
34:47
Speaker 10: spending within bounds, and we're not doing that.
34:50
Speaker 1: I think we're.
34:51
Speaker 10: Letting this go up and up and up, and it
34:54
Speaker 10: doesn't seem to have a ceiling. If it does, I
34:56
Speaker 10: can't see it.
34:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only at Michael Kroger. The government seems
35:03
Speaker 3: very far off, in fact, potentially impossible to meet the
35:06
Speaker 3: emission's aspirations.
35:10
Speaker 11: Well, it looks away from all the commentary that they're
35:12
Speaker 11: not going to get anywhere near net zero. But look,
35:16
Speaker 11: I think the government's got to come out and say
35:20
Speaker 11: exactly how we it there in simple terms so the
35:23
Speaker 11: ordinary person can understand this incredibly complex calculation, which relies
35:27
Speaker 11: on technology is not yet invented. By the way, what
35:31
Speaker 11: did anyone think was that it cost this amount of money?
35:33
Speaker 11: Given that the biggest emitters in the world and have
35:36
Speaker 11: not signed up to this pledge. The damage is due
35:38
Speaker 11: to the Australian economy, the massive increase in electricity prices
35:43
Speaker 11: generally speaking, and again run by a guy like Chris
35:47
Speaker 11: Bowen who's been a disastrous minister during his career. I mean,
35:51
Speaker 11: no private sector businesses in this country would put Chris
35:55
Speaker 11: Bowen in charge of such a massive project with a
35:59
Speaker 11: blank chip, given he's failed history as a minister. So
36:02
Speaker 11: again this is another potential disaster. Now Labours say, oh,
36:05
Speaker 11: we won the election, therefore it validates what we're doing. No,
36:08
Speaker 11: let's not forget this election was won by the Labor
36:11
Speaker 11: Party basically lying about medicare, lying about nuclear scaring the
36:16
Speaker 11: liber daylights out of people about Donald Trump, et cetera,
36:18
Speaker 11: et cetera. Right, they didn't win because everyone endorsed this
36:21
Speaker 11: policy without knowing the amount of money involved. And it's
36:24
Speaker 11: not an endorsement of their text on under those games either.
36:26
Speaker 2: Shari, that's a trouble. I agree with you.
36:29
Speaker 3: Chris Bond is probably one of the worst ministers out
36:33
Speaker 3: of a bad bunch.
36:35
Speaker 11: Now this was a he'd be good minister in the
36:37
Speaker 11: Whitlam government. You'd put him in the Whitlam government. That's
36:40
Speaker 11: where it belongs. With all those legends.
36:42
Speaker 3: We need some of the sensible, you know, rich oh,
36:45
Speaker 3: some of your colleagues, the sensible cabinet under Hawk and Keating.
36:49
Speaker 2: Where are those sort of labor politicians these days?
36:51
Speaker 3: So I guess you know we have a centrist premier
36:55
Speaker 3: and Chris Min's and South Australia as well, Centrius labor premier.
36:58
Speaker 3: Pity they're not in the federal running the country though,
37:01
Speaker 3: I want to turn to this story in the Finn Review.
37:04
Speaker 3: This is Look, there's a lot of things on this
37:06
Speaker 3: topic that are upsetting at the moment, but.
37:08
Speaker 2: This is quite outrageous.
37:10
Speaker 3: So Safe Work New South Wales was called in to
37:12
Speaker 3: investigate the anti semitism at the University of Sydney and
37:17
Speaker 3: there was actually a recommendation to launch a full investigation.
37:23
Speaker 3: But and this is from Julie Hair and the Finn Review,
37:26
Speaker 3: despite their own preliminary report finding that a full investigation
37:30
Speaker 3: would uncover contraventions of law and that Jewish workers and
37:34
Speaker 3: students experienced antisemitism daily while on campus, creating a workplace
37:39
Speaker 3: of fear, anxiousness and retribution. Despite that, they decided not
37:44
Speaker 3: to have an investigation. No reason was given, and by
37:47
Speaker 3: the way, all of this detail was only uncovered through
37:51
Speaker 3: a freedom of information request. I mean rich it found
37:55
Speaker 3: that the University of Sydney, and we know this to
37:57
Speaker 3: be true, but here's an official report from an official
38:01
Speaker 3: government agency finding that the University of Sydney failed to
38:04
Speaker 3: predict Jewish students and staff in the eleven months after
38:08
Speaker 3: the Hamas attack. Again, they need to reconsider the decision
38:13
Speaker 3: not to launch a formal investigation, don't they.
38:17
Speaker 10: I wish they would. I really worry about anti Semitism
38:23
Speaker 10: and I don't want to in any way, shape or
38:26
Speaker 10: form allow it to fester in this country. It's just
38:33
Speaker 10: got to be stopped, and it's got to be stopped now.
38:36
Speaker 10: Now that unfortunately, you'll always get anti Semitism. You never
38:41
Speaker 10: have to scratch this far below the surface to find
38:44
Speaker 10: it in this country. And that's a really tragic thing.
38:48
Speaker 10: But that doesn't mean you stop in any way, shape
38:52
Speaker 10: or form your efforts to suppress it as best you can.
38:57
Speaker 10: We must do everything possible to suppress that anti Jewish.
39:04
Speaker 10: I guess it's just a hatred that a dumb hatred
39:09
Speaker 10: you know that there's no intellectual reason for it.
39:13
Speaker 1: It's just dumb.
39:14
Speaker 3: And of course this was serious failings by the University
39:17
Speaker 3: of Sydney, where the former ABC boss Mark Scott is
39:20
Speaker 3: the vice chancellor. Michael, I want to get your view
39:24
Speaker 3: on this recount. We found the result, found out the
39:27
Speaker 3: results of it today, the recount in Bradfield. Now the
39:30
Speaker 3: seat has gone to the Teal Nicolette Bowl, not Gizell
39:34
Speaker 3: Captiri in the Liberal candidate. Now Susan Lee had already
39:38
Speaker 3: given Gizelle a portfolio, which is a bit premature.
39:41
Speaker 2: Do you think the Liberal Party are going to.
39:44
Speaker 3: Accept this result or do you expect there'll be another challenge.
39:49
Speaker 11: No, of course they shouldn't accept the result, not because
39:54
Speaker 11: they're bad losers, but because you're talking about twenty six
39:56
Speaker 11: votes out of one hundred and ten thousand. And I
40:00
Speaker 11: tell you, Shari, when one hundred and ten thousand votes
40:03
Speaker 11: are written in pencil on a piece of paper, right,
40:08
Speaker 11: the fine line between what's a formal vote and what's
40:10
Speaker 11: an informal vote, we'll run into hundreds and hundreds of votes.
40:15
Speaker 11: Is that a six or is it an eight? Is
40:17
Speaker 11: that a one? Is it a seven? Is it formal?
40:20
Speaker 11: Is it not right? They've crossed something out, they've renumbered.
40:24
Speaker 11: There are thousands of thousands of votes in that category alone.
40:28
Speaker 11: Right to say, oh, those numbers are exactly right, and
40:30
Speaker 11: she won by twenty six. She didn't win by twenty six.
40:33
Speaker 11: They count that again, you'll get a different result. It
40:36
Speaker 11: won't be twenty six. It'll be out by tens, perhaps
40:39
Speaker 11: hundreds of votes. Because every time.
40:42
Speaker 9: You look at formal votes and then you will find
40:44
Speaker 9: informal votes. Do you think you go to the courted
40:46
Speaker 9: disputed returns? Of course, you go to court of recided returns.
40:51
Speaker 9: There are, of course a number of votes where people
40:53
Speaker 9: voted twice. Tom Connell's been talking about this without giving
40:55
Speaker 9: us the number. It looks as if there's more than ten,
40:58
Speaker 9: perhaps more than twenty votes.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that it's another election?
41:03
Speaker 3: Of course, of course youlls again.
41:09
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, of course that's what Unfortunately that has happened
41:13
Speaker 11: in Australian history on many occasions. This elect This vote
41:17
Speaker 11: is not clear, no offense to the win.
41:19
Speaker 1: It's not her fault.
41:20
Speaker 11: But out of one hundred and ten thousand, are there
41:23
Speaker 11: more than twenty six votes which should be informal That
41:27
Speaker 11: a formal and vice versa. Of course Thererah, the result
41:30
Speaker 11: is nearest the pin result. That's what you get in
41:33
Speaker 11: these elections when it's within twenty six votes out of
41:36
Speaker 11: over one hundred thousand, Sharry, all right.
41:37
Speaker 3: So it sounds like we haven't heard the end of
41:39
Speaker 3: this saga in Bradfield. The excitement continues, all right, rich O,
41:44
Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, thank you both so much. Now still to
41:47
Speaker 3: Carmaron Patterson explains to a pap courthouse how she made
41:51
Speaker 3: the deadly beef Wellington dish. And Elon Muscus slam Trump's
41:56
Speaker 3: big beautiful bill just days after exiting the White House,
42:00
Speaker 3: that's all coming up still after the tea welcome back
42:06
Speaker 3: in joining us now, Sky News contributor Kosha Gada Koshare,
42:10
Speaker 3: good to see you. Elon Masquez blasted Donald Trump's agenda
42:15
Speaker 3: just days after exiting the White House.
42:17
Speaker 2: How's this all playing out? He sure has?
42:22
Speaker 7: This is that big beautiful build. It's now famous all
42:24
Speaker 7: around the world. He's called it a quote abomination because
42:27
Speaker 7: it doesn't go nearly far enough to cut spending. And
42:31
Speaker 7: the other side, realists within the Trump administration and elsewhere
42:35
Speaker 7: or acknowledging that but saying, you know, you've got to
42:37
Speaker 7: deal in reality, and this is the best that they
42:39
Speaker 7: could get. I would say that both of them are right.
42:41
Speaker 7: So yes, you know, running thirty six thirty seven trillion
42:45
Speaker 7: dollars of debt is an abomination. And cutting spending in
42:48
Speaker 7: the political system that we have is this really really
42:51
Speaker 7: difficult because a lot of those programs are very popular
42:53
Speaker 7: with certain parts of the electorate and it's really hard
42:56
Speaker 7: to do. But the other side is also right where
42:58
Speaker 7: you do have to deal in reality. And what the
43:00
Speaker 7: bill was about was not so much about spending cuts
43:03
Speaker 7: because that has never been Trump's biggest focus, but it's
43:06
Speaker 7: about extending tax cuts, which is very popular with his
43:08
Speaker 7: base working in middle class, and about immigration reform. And
43:11
Speaker 7: it's quite powerful in that where it's going to fund
43:14
Speaker 7: the wall that we heard so much about last time
43:16
Speaker 7: and it didn't get done, for example, and it's going
43:18
Speaker 7: to increase funding for ICE to conduct their mass deportations
43:22
Speaker 7: and so on. So that's what they prioritized. It didn't
43:24
Speaker 7: go far enough in spending, and that's what Elon is
43:26
Speaker 7: taking issue.
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Speaker 3: With a lot of fascination and intrigue about how their
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Speaker 3: relationship is going to progress.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I just want to ask you about and I mentioned
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Speaker 3: this earlier, but the two Chinese nationals who've been charged
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Speaker 3: with allegedly smuggling a toxic fungus into the US.
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Speaker 2: What's this about.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So, two Chinese nationals that were researchers or professors
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Speaker 7: at the University of Michigan allegedly smuggled something that has
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Speaker 7: bioweapon characteristics to it or risks that it brings, and
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Speaker 7: the FBI has charged them with that. We don't know
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Speaker 7: much more beyond that. The story's unfolding, but it does
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Speaker 7: raise or shines a light on the fact that modern
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Speaker 7: warfare between adversarial countries in the modern day really spans
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Speaker 7: the gamut. It's not just overt, but it does include
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Speaker 7: cyber it includes biomedical security, etc. And Australia is actually
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Speaker 7: ahead of the curve on that the biosecurity laws are
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Speaker 7: very tight and these kinds of things get caught and
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Speaker 7: are very strictly kept out of the country, not so
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Speaker 7: much back in the US, and this issue is sort
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Speaker 7: of bringing it out to light. Maybe it'll be an
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Speaker 7: increased focus from a national security perspective going forward.
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Speaker 3: Now we're seeing that Trump's tariffs is starting to take
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Speaker 3: effect of course the UK is exempt. I mean, Kiyostama
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Speaker 3: has handled the Trump administration really well, hasn't he?
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Speaker 7: He has? And you know, Trump ultimately is a people
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Speaker 7: person more so, going back to being a sort of
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Speaker 7: a realist or pragmatist more so than a political ideologue.
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Speaker 7: And in that somebody who can kind of connect with
44:58
Speaker 7: him on some level personally will That may seem silly,
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Speaker 7: but you know, in real life that's how often how
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Speaker 7: deals get done and how negotiations may end up favorably
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Speaker 7: to somebody. And he's sort of played his cards well
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Speaker 7: in that regard as well as you know, deciding substantively
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Speaker 7: when whether to retaliate or not they chose not to,
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Speaker 7: and trying to use carrot diplomacy and stead of sticks diplomacy,
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Speaker 7: and that's stript h.
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Speaker 3: Well, maybe alb an Easy could get some advice from
45:24
Speaker 3: Keir Stamer before his meeting with Trump. Kasha Dada, great
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Speaker 3: to have you on as always, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Now don't go anywhere. We'll cross to Ellie Dudley for
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Speaker 3: details on Aaron Patterson's evidence over how she made that
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Speaker 3: deadly mushroom meal.
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Speaker 2: That's after the quick Break.
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Speaker 3: Accused mushroom killer Aaron Patterson returned to the witness box
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Speaker 3: today where she recounted for the first time her version
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Speaker 3: of the fatal lunch another pack day in the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Here to give us more details is.
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Speaker 3: The Australian's Legal Affairs correspondent Ellie Dudley.
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Speaker 2: Ellie, thanks so much for your time again now.
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Speaker 3: She said she chose beef Wellington because she knew to
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Speaker 3: make it for important occasions. But tell us about how
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Speaker 3: she gave evidence, saying she deviated from the recipe.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you, Sherry.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: So, she said that she used the recipe Tin Eats
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Speaker 12: recipe to make her beef Wellington, but she said that
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Speaker 12: she deviated from it in a couple of ways. One
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Speaker 12: of the ways that she said that she deviated from
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Speaker 12: it was she didn't include prostudo because one of her
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Speaker 12: lunch guests didn't like pork. She also said that she
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Speaker 12: made individual beef Wellington's rather than making one big beef
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Speaker 12: Wellington as the recipe called for, because she couldn't locate
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Speaker 12: a big log of meat that was necessary to do that.
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Speaker 3: She also admitted that it was possible that foraged mushrooms
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Speaker 3: had somehow got mixed up with the store bought ones.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell us more about this part of her testimony.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, So she spoke about making this beef Wellington and
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Speaker 12: she said that she was cooking them mushrooms, and she
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Speaker 12: was preparing the meal, and she tasted it at one
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Speaker 12: point and it tasted a bit bland.
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Speaker 2: So she went to put some mushrooms in it that.
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Speaker 12: She said she brought from an Asian grosser and stored
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Speaker 12: in a tupware container in her pantry. So she put
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Speaker 12: those tupperware mushrooms into the meal. But later she realized
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Speaker 12: that there was a possibility that the mushrooms that she
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Speaker 12: believed had been brought from an Asian grosser had been
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Speaker 12: mixed in with mushrooms that had been foraged, and that
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Speaker 12: they had both gone into the meal.
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Speaker 3: What's interesting was last night we spoke about what the
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Speaker 3: relevance could possibly be of her revelations about her eating disorder.
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Speaker 2: Well that became apparent today.
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Speaker 6: It did.
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Speaker 12: She spoke about vomiting after the beef Wellington meal. She
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Speaker 12: said that after a guest left, she cleaned up for
47:43
Speaker 12: a bit, and then she started eating one piece of cake,
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Speaker 12: another piece of cake, another piece of cake, until she
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Speaker 12: finished off about two thirds of the cake that had
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Speaker 12: been left, and then she went to the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: And threw up.
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Speaker 12: So yeah, it became clear the relevance of that beinging
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Speaker 12: evidence that we had heard earlier.
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Speaker 3: And then Pattison of course, said that her ex husband
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Speaker 3: questioned whether she had used a dehydrator to poison his parents.
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Speaker 3: That was his allegation while they were in the hospital
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Speaker 3: room when her children were being checked out, because they
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Speaker 3: hadn't consumed the mushrooms or the pastry, but other elements
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Speaker 3: of the dish. So a lot more to play out
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Speaker 3: in court this week, and she hasn't faced cross examination yet. Ellie,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much as always for your reporting. And
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Speaker 3: that's what we've got. That's how we've got time for today.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock. But stay tuned
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Speaker 3: because Paul Murray, Man of the Hour, is up next