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Who Killed Chandra Levy? · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Destroy Winter. I'm a check, I'm statue that is.
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Speaker 2: Wait.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd
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Speaker 1: Brown joining me on the phone, my co host.
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Speaker 3: Who are you Hey, It's me Olivia Heidar. How's it going.
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Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you?
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Speaker 3: I'm all right? Uh getting used to this scape stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a whole new world. Olivia is
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Speaker 1: joining us from the gun capital of the Midwest, Indiana,
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Speaker 1: John Cougar Mellencamp and shit, hey, no.
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Speaker 3: I mean we gotta respect our lord and savior.
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Speaker 1: The coug Springsteen of the Midwest.
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Speaker 3: It very much is absolutely no shit.
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Speaker 2: I am currently like a mile from the big concert
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Speaker 2: venue here in central Indiana. Oh really, Yeah, the Verizon
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Speaker 2: Wireless Music Center. I grew up in this area and
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Speaker 2: whenever Mellencamp would be in town, we would have to
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Speaker 2: like plan our lives around that because traffic for miles
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Speaker 2: was just backed up all around this place.
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Speaker 3: He deserves it, he does, He's he's terrific. I love
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Speaker 3: his music. I've got nothing against him.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the death of John Cougar Mellencamp today, obviously.
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Speaker 2: We're getting into we're really going to get into the
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Speaker 2: dark history.
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Speaker 1: Now we are actually talking about the disappearance of show
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Speaker 1: Levy the biggest news story of two thousand and one
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Speaker 1: for a while, for.
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Speaker 3: At least part of two thousand and one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for about ten days into September, tearing up the headlines.
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Speaker 2: And Jurassic Part three came out, and that really stole
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Speaker 2: the spotlight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, then that took all the attention off Shondra Leeviy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I landed on this topic the same way I landed
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Speaker 1: on Nancy Spongeen that time we did that episode. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was at a loss for topics and I had
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Speaker 1: Hulu open in front of me, so I typed the
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Speaker 1: words who killed into Hulu.
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Speaker 3: Oh classic.
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Speaker 1: There was a documentary a couple of years ago apparently
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Speaker 1: called Who Killed Chondra Levy? And Okay, I actually thought
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Speaker 1: this case was solved.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, it kind of slipped.
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Speaker 2: But the thing that I remember is everyone kind of
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Speaker 2: thought that it was Gary Condit who did it, and
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Speaker 2: then they kind of found this other guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was huge news. There's a Chris Rock special
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Speaker 1: from around the time where he has a bit about
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Speaker 1: Schondra Levy. Oh my god, it was fucking everywhere.
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Speaker 2: What a time capsule, that is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the last I remembered, they arrested someone and
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Speaker 1: convicted them for this crime, and that was kind of
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Speaker 1: the last I heard of it. But it turns out
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Speaker 1: that conviction didn't stand and this is still an unsolved murder.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the details are pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: They really are for people who aren't familiar with the
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Speaker 1: events of the case, or just to remind people kind
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Speaker 1: of the timeline of events. On March or on May sixth,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Robert Levy called the DC Police
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Speaker 1: Department Second District Station House after not hearing from his
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Speaker 1: daughter Chandra for five days in a row. Her last
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Speaker 1: correspondence was an email listing Southwest Airlines fares for her
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Speaker 1: trip back home to California. She was supposed to have
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Speaker 1: already arrived home by that point. She'd been in DC
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Speaker 1: for seven months, interning at the Bureau of Prisons. Like
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Speaker 1: some kind of fucking.
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Speaker 2: Cop you know, I don't wanna. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: speak ill of the dead. No, it is kind of
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Speaker 2: a cop move. It's kind of a cop move. I
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Speaker 2: can't I can't deny that it was two thousand.
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Speaker 3: What is a different time, it was a yeah, maybe
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Speaker 3: she just.
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Speaker 2: Hadn't heard the prison song from System of a Down's
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Speaker 2: first album. Maybe that would have changed your mind. It
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Speaker 2: was common they came out around that time, but maybe
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Speaker 2: didn't have a X one O three the indie alternative
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Speaker 2: to guide her to that.
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Speaker 1: So the case was picked up by DC's Second District,
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Speaker 1: which the second District deals with the rich neighborhoods in DC. Right,
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Speaker 1: They at one point in one of the articles I
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Speaker 1: read for this were described as squirrel chasers because yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's no actual crime happening where they are, so they're
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Speaker 1: probably where police lured that guy who sold cocaine to
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Speaker 1: Republicans the night before. Sure, George Bush gave that speech
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Speaker 1: and said this was crack cocaine. It's like, where'd you
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Speaker 1: get it? Look into that story, America. It's very unsavory.
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Speaker 1: So that's always a bad sign when an inept police
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Speaker 1: department gets assigned a murder case, right.
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Speaker 2: Kind of a big case, and they don't really have
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Speaker 2: anybody who's equipped to deal with the more delicate technical
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Speaker 2: aspects that kind of come up in this modern homicide
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Speaker 2: investigation or missing persons.
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Speaker 1: A situation like this is going to end one of
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Speaker 1: two ways. Either it's going to be a movie, or
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a grave miscarriage.
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Speaker 2: Of justice or both. Yeah, a lot of times one
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Speaker 2: leads to the other.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Well, when one leads to the other,
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Speaker 1: it tends to be more of a documentary.
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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but you mean you still got your
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Speaker 2: like your Aaron Brockovic's. Oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Chondra Levy's parents, Robert and Susan Levy, had started
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Speaker 1: scouring her phone records and they come across this number
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Speaker 1: that she's been calling a whole bunch, and it turns
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Speaker 1: out to be California Representative Gary Condit, right, who represents
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Speaker 1: their home district in the Central Valley of California. They
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Speaker 1: call Condit and he says Chondra was a friend of
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Speaker 1: one of his interns and pledged to help in whatever
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Speaker 1: way he could, And they suspected right away he was lying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like a lie. If she
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Speaker 2: was just a friend of an intern, why would she
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Speaker 2: be calling you.
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Speaker 1: You could use that excuse for like one.
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Speaker 3: Phone call, right exactly.
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Speaker 1: But this was dozens and dozens and dozens of phone calls.
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Speaker 3: Kiah a pattern.
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Speaker 1: On May eighth, Chandra's aunt, Linda Zamski, called the lead
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Speaker 1: investigator on the case, Detective Ralph Durant, to tell him
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Speaker 1: that Chandra confided in her that she'd been having an
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Speaker 1: affair with Gary Condit ooh damn.
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Speaker 3: To the ant.
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Speaker 2: The not the parents.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how the parents felt about that after the.
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Speaker 2: Fact, you know, I mean, I get it. Kind of
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Speaker 2: a step removed, just.
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Speaker 1: The cool aunt probably Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, her name is Zamski. Yeah, you need your love
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Speaker 2: advice from the girls Zamski.
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Speaker 1: On May tenth, police finally executed a search warrant on
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Speaker 1: Shondra Levy's apartment, and they make two really huge mistakes
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Speaker 1: in the early days of this investigation, if you can
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Speaker 1: believe that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, shocker.
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Speaker 1: One, a DC police sergeant who wasn't a trained computer expert,
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Speaker 1: turned on her computer to try to find her most
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Speaker 1: recent search results. What he ended up doing instead was
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Speaker 1: corrupting those search results so badly that it would take
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Speaker 1: another month to get an accurate rundown of her computer
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Speaker 1: activity that day. Also, the buildings she lived in had
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Speaker 1: multiple security cameras, which fed a tape that was recorded
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Speaker 1: over every seven days. By the time police bothered to
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Speaker 1: ask for it the tape had already been recorded over.
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Speaker 2: That is definitely a huge.
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Speaker 3: Miss. How did you miss the security camera?
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Speaker 2: Guys?
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Speaker 1: I feel like if this was a reality show where
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Speaker 1: groups of contestants were sent out into the field to
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Speaker 1: solve a murder, right, every one of those groups first
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Speaker 1: act would have been to go to her apartment and go,
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Speaker 1: you got surveillance tape.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've just seen movies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel like, you know, there's not
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Speaker 2: real life, but apparently it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out they do have those cameras in
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Speaker 1: all sorts of buildings.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then the computer thing that is like that feels
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Speaker 2: very much like old klutzy cops in the early two
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Speaker 2: thousands who don't know shit about how to use a computer.
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Speaker 2: How did he corrupt their search results just by messing like.
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Speaker 3: Turning out the computer.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he was doing, And it feels
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Speaker 2: like maybe he didn't know what he was doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if he was like typing things in too,
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Speaker 1: like search for them and thinking it was going to
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Speaker 1: show him. But yeah, that ends up being a huge,
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Speaker 1: huge mistake, as it turns out. And yeah, I can
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Speaker 1: I don't know how he did it, but I can
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Speaker 1: see it happening with it being two thousand and one,
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Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, and this guy, he's a sergeant, so
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Speaker 1: he's probably been on the job for a long time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like thirty years or something.
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Speaker 1: And computers are going to be a thing that really
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Speaker 1: became a mainstream like three or four years early, well,
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Speaker 1: the Internet at least, right.
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Speaker 2: So the Internet definitely, and personal computer, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: it still is happening like they although I think there's
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Speaker 2: a little bit more of a plateau now. But they
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Speaker 2: were changing and growing so fast that if you weren't
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Speaker 2: training people on how to interact with the newer models
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Speaker 2: than they're used to, then they might have at home
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Speaker 2: or whatever.
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Speaker 3: Then yeah, they're gonna make these kinds of mistakes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And as it turns out, if police properly searched
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Speaker 1: the computer the first time around, what it would have
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Speaker 1: shown was that the last thing Schondra Levy did was
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Speaker 1: search for things to do in Rock Creek Park, which
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Speaker 1: is in Washington, DC, right, which in turn would have
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Speaker 1: made a great place to start that investigation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, turns out.
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Speaker 1: That is precisely where her remains were found. Her skeletal
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Speaker 1: remains by that point, talk about kind.
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Speaker 2: Of like a movie, Like just the fact that her
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Speaker 2: last search was so relevant to what were her body
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Speaker 2: was found of all things like that's wild.
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Speaker 1: And what blows me away is it took them. Sure,
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Speaker 1: it took them a month to find that information on
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Speaker 1: the computer because of this early mistake, but then just
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Speaker 1: go search Rock Creek Park, right, And their excuse was,
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Speaker 1: we couldn't send an entire police department just to look
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Speaker 1: for one girl. And it's like, have you ever watched
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Speaker 1: a news report about a kidnapped white woman? The community
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Speaker 1: would have come out in force to look for her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And even if he didn't want to get civilians involved,
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Speaker 2: it feels like if they're like, I don't know, why
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you get people out to go look for Like
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Speaker 2: I don't it seems like it's part of your job.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an investigation, go investigate, see if for bodies exactly,
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Speaker 1: And they did not do. Her remains when they were
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Speaker 1: finally found, were fucking found by accident. Someone just stumbled
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Speaker 1: upon them. Even though her last act as a person
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Speaker 1: was to search for Rock Creek Park and things to.
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Speaker 2: Do to literally say hey, police, come look here.
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Speaker 3: She might as well have left a note.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was apparently very physically active, and her
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Speaker 1: gym membership had just been canceled because she was moving
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Speaker 1: back to California. So obviously she's going to fucking Rock
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Speaker 1: Creek Park to walk on the trails.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: But instead of doing any of that, the immediate focus
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Speaker 1: was on her relationship with Gary Condit, and I get it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's notable. I would say it was.
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Speaker 1: A controversial relationship for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I would say definitely.
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Speaker 1: Because Gary Condit was very much married with a family,
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Speaker 1: he was in his fifties. Chandra Levy said he reminded
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Speaker 1: her of Harrison Ford, which seems very inaccurate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I have seen pictures of Gary Condit
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Speaker 2: and he's not a bad looking guy, but like Harrison
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Speaker 2: Ford is an all time looker.
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that seems like a stretch.
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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford has a mount rushmore face. He's no Gary contact.
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Speaker 1: And also Gary Condit's like five to three.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's a short, short guy.
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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford's a mountain of a man.
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Speaker 2: Probably is huge. I just imagine he is huge, is
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Speaker 2: he He's he's over six feet I think he's at
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Speaker 2: least six feet and he's got big hands too. You
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Speaker 2: see it on the street. It's wild.
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Speaker 1: Better to crash airplanes.
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Speaker 2: With, yes, better to hold the smoke the dube with
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Speaker 2: four twenty.
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Speaker 1: Hey, we are.
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Speaker 2: Recording, he's celebrating.
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Speaker 1: We are recording this on four to twenty. You're getting
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Speaker 1: high up there.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know it.
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Speaker 2: It's so different than every other day.
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Speaker 1: How's it feel doing it at a place where you
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Speaker 1: might go to jail for it?
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Speaker 3: Uh? You know about the same.
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Speaker 2: Hey, this is where I started smoking weed, So I'm
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Speaker 2: just kind of used to it, and like, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: not too worried.
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Speaker 3: They have the things to deal with right.
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Speaker 1: Now, that's true.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe not these cops. These are kind
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Speaker 2: of speaking of squirrel catchers. That's basically what we got here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So in July, Chandra Levis aunt goes to the
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Speaker 1: media to tell them about her niece's affair with Gary Condit,
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Speaker 1: and right that's when all hell breaks loose in the media, rightfully.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's what makes it a huge
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Speaker 3: national story.
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Speaker 1: Really, it does seem like I get the impulse, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear Gary Condit was just trying
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Speaker 1: to save his marriage. He was doing what any cheating
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Speaker 1: husband is going to do in that case. He lied, right.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the lying is the suspicious part. I
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Speaker 2: guess it's just the act of it is the suspicious part.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, lying to the parent wasn't a great idea.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, lying in general was bad, Like he should it's
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Speaker 2: bad to do. She's missing.
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Speaker 1: He finally admitted that he was indeed having an affair
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Speaker 1: with her in July, after the aunt went to the media,
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Speaker 1: and from there, I remember this story really just became
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Speaker 1: who was Gary Condit fucking on the side?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: All these other women came forward and that was the news.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I even remember thinking at the time, it's like,
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Speaker 1: are you still looking for that girl? Or are you
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Speaker 1: just trying to find more women? Gary Condit's boning.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it turned out to be an unexpected gold mine,
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Speaker 2: I think, and everybody was just kind of thirsty for
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Speaker 2: those views.
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Speaker 1: Like it was in between I'm trying to think of
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Speaker 1: some of the really big like televised court cases, right
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Speaker 1: or televised trial and it seems like it was kind
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Speaker 1: of right in between OJ and Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was off season for murderers, and we were hungry
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Speaker 1: for right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need one at least every three or four
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Speaker 2: years in order to, you know, keep the blood boiling.
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Speaker 2: We haven't had a I guess we've had all the
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Speaker 2: Trump stuff and that's kind of taken the place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hard to get away with murder now
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Speaker 1: because of DNA.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, but I mean, but DNA is also
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Speaker 2: so misleading sometimes it's interesting, very true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a DNA test at one point in
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Speaker 1: this case, but all it did was confirm that Gary
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Speaker 1: Kanda and Schondra Levy had sex at one point, which
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Speaker 1: everyone knew, right, So why bother putting taxpayer resources into
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Speaker 1: proving that when yeah, it was already very provable. Like
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Speaker 1: That's how the investigation continued from July until at least September.
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Speaker 1: But in the media it carried on that way for
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Speaker 1: a long long time. And what's interesting is around this time,
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Speaker 1: the FBI interviewed Gary Condit for the fourth time. In
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Speaker 1: July of two thousand and one. The interviewer was a
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Speaker 1: guy named Brad Garrett, who everyone knows from everybody loves Raymond.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
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Speaker 1: Y Gary conduct.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Brad Garrett could probably play this FBI interviewer.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he'd be good at that kind of a thing.
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Speaker 1: I'd probably confess to Brad Garrett before an actual FBI agent.
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Speaker 2: You know what, you got that buttery baritone. It really
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Speaker 2: who can resist?
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Speaker 1: So this FBI agent was no forgetting confessions in really
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Speaker 1: big cases, which I don't know if that's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I need to watch those confessions and
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Speaker 1: decide for myself.
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Speaker 2: It's it's a weird skill to brag about.
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Speaker 1: It's like it would be like if this was a comedy,
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Speaker 1: someone would say that, like, man, he really had a
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Speaker 1: penchant for closing those cases, and then you cut away
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Speaker 1: and he's just beating someone with a rubber hose or something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's one of those things where it's
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Speaker 2: like it's a record, but you need citation needed next
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Speaker 2: to it. It's like, we got we need to know
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Speaker 2: what the circumstances were.
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Speaker 1: Right, And two of the cases he'd worked on before
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Speaker 1: mer i'ma al Kassi, who killed two CIA employees in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three in Langley, Virginia and Romsey. Yusef. I
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Speaker 1: guess the mastermind of the far Less Superior ninety three
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Speaker 1: World Trade Center bombing.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it still would have been
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Speaker 2: like a very successful bombing. It just gets over shadows
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Speaker 2: as far as World Trade Center at tex Go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of just bombings in general, pretty successful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like he was definitely a mastermind. I
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Speaker 2: think he earns that title, but it's just yeah.
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Speaker 1: They definitely executed better the second time around.
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Speaker 3: Sure, yes, much more effective.
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Speaker 2: Jesus, we were all.
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Speaker 1: Too busy paying attention to Chondra Levy.
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Speaker 3: Well, no, we were all looking the other way. Maybe
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Speaker 3: that's what happened.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they maybe al Qaeda killed Chandra Levy as like
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Speaker 2: a look over there for Americans.
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Speaker 1: Here's why nine to eleven happened. Two stories in DC,
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Speaker 1: the FBI is distracted by Schondra Levy and they're trying
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Speaker 1: to find out who Gary Condit's fucking in Jacksonville. We
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Speaker 1: already know from the recent docum Menory the FBI down
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Speaker 1: there is trying to bust a McDonald's monopoly.
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Speaker 2: Stem right, Yes, absolutely, I mean that guy was the
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Speaker 2: FBI's most wanted until Ben Latin came around.
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Speaker 1: And I love that in that documentary, they're like, oh, Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: the FBI was a pretty sleepy place around this time.
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Speaker 1: It's like the nine to eleven hijackers were training in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: They were there, they were there, and you were like,
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Speaker 1: what's happening with McDonald's though. I love it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very interesting story.
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Speaker 1: It is. I couldn't make it through the documentary, but
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Speaker 1: the plot seemed fun.
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Speaker 2: I didn't watch the documentary, but I did read the
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Speaker 2: big article that like kind of broke that story, which
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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the documentary way overestimates how much I care about
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Speaker 1: that man's family. Fun.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a miscalculation.
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Speaker 2: What I want is like a dramatic film starring like
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Speaker 2: Ben Affleck.
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Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, Ben Affleck would be good.
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Speaker 1: I think Ben Affleck's good in most things.
21:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went, I went Chubby Vapy, Beneffleck Vaby.
21:05
Speaker 3: Yeah. Baby, that's like, that's that's his mode that he's
21:08
Speaker 3: in right now. He's like he's kind of like kind
21:11
Speaker 3: of sick of it.
21:12
Speaker 2: And you watch The Way Back that's anyway.
21:16
Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about Brad Garrett is he comes
21:21
Speaker 1: away from interviewing Gary Condit believing Gary Condit was not involved,
21:27
Speaker 1: and nevertheless the focus remains on Gary Condit for at
21:31
Speaker 1: least another two months. And obviously Gary Condit was a
21:36
Speaker 1: huge piece of shit.
21:38
Speaker 2: And yeah, it seems like a bad guy.
21:40
Speaker 1: Not not a person of high morals, obviously, but man,
21:46
Speaker 1: this ruined his life like Richard Jewel proportion ruined.
21:51
Speaker 2: Yeah well yeah, but also Richard Jewel didn't do anything.
21:55
Speaker 1: Yeah wrong, Yeah, that's the difference. No unforced Gary k
22:00
Speaker 1: It to cheat on his wife at every fucking opportunity.
22:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many times with anyone.
22:09
Speaker 1: So what happened to Gary Condit was a little more
22:12
Speaker 1: deserved because it could very easily have been avoided by
22:15
Speaker 1: just not fucking interns.
22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, but one of the.
22:19
Speaker 1: Crazy things that happened to him. At one point, someone
22:22
Speaker 1: mentioned to a reporter that Condit had been dating their
22:26
Speaker 1: teenage daughter, which is another crime on top of the
22:29
Speaker 1: crime he's already accused of. And so the FBI is like, well,
22:33
Speaker 1: that's interesting, let's go talk to him. And the FBI
22:36
Speaker 1: talks to him, and the guy's like, eh, I was lying,
22:38
Speaker 1: that didn't actually happen, But the story got published before
22:43
Speaker 1: the guy recanted.
22:44
Speaker 3: To thee that's our media.
22:47
Speaker 1: So now Gary Condit in the media was a philanderer,
22:52
Speaker 1: a murderer, and a pedophile, even though only one of
22:56
Speaker 1: those things was actually true.
22:58
Speaker 3: One at least, we don't know about the murderer things.
23:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
23:03
Speaker 3: I'm suspicious.
23:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is confusing because it feels like the
23:08
Speaker 1: guy we're going to talk about next should be the murderer. Yeah,
23:12
Speaker 1: it feels like that should be the answer. But then
23:15
Speaker 1: there's that thing at the end. It's so weird.
23:18
Speaker 2: He feels too convenient and the whole thing. I love
23:23
Speaker 2: how they phrase that he has Gary kind of had
23:26
Speaker 2: an overwhelming alibi because apparently he was meeting with the
23:31
Speaker 2: vice president of the United States at the time, and like,
23:35
Speaker 2: that's a good alibi, but also like, if you're going
23:39
Speaker 2: to plan the murder of someone, being in the room
23:43
Speaker 2: with the vice president of the United States when that
23:45
Speaker 2: murder is going to happen is not a bad.
23:49
Speaker 3: Way to do it.
23:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
23:52
Speaker 3: You know, that's.
23:53
Speaker 2: A again, an overwhelming alibi. How it's phrased, so I
23:58
Speaker 2: don't know.
23:59
Speaker 1: One of the things that happened to him that I
24:01
Speaker 1: don't agree with. I never agree with this is this
24:05
Speaker 1: idea that when someone's actively being investigated for murder that
24:09
Speaker 1: they owe the media answers about their personal life.
24:13
Speaker 3: Totally.
24:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, It's like I wouldn't talk to fucking anybody.
24:18
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, like you know, you never talk
24:21
Speaker 2: to anyone.
24:22
Speaker 1: No, like watch law and Order, man, like that's all
24:25
Speaker 1: you gotta do.
24:26
Speaker 2: That's how we sho still talk to police.
24:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, reporters either, Yeah, don't talk to police. Don't talk
24:31
Speaker 1: to reporters.
24:32
Speaker 3: Talk to your lawd if you've watched Gone Girl like
24:35
Speaker 3: that should be obvious. Yeah, you don't.
24:38
Speaker 2: You don't talk to anyone. Don't host fundraisers.
24:41
Speaker 1: But also again, no one forced Gary Conda to do
24:44
Speaker 1: those interviews. No, I think he let he talked to
24:47
Speaker 1: like Barbara Walters or something, and he was asked about
24:52
Speaker 1: Schondra Levy and still like didn't really give any answers.
24:55
Speaker 1: But like what, I don't know what people were expecting.
24:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you didn't do it, then of
25:00
Speaker 2: course he wouldn't have any answers or anything to say,
25:04
Speaker 2: makes sense, But yeah, and.
25:07
Speaker 1: The Modesto Bee in August called for him to resign,
25:12
Speaker 1: and that was a paper that had no sure been
25:14
Speaker 1: supporting him most of his career. He even lost the
25:18
Speaker 1: Baskin Robbins franchises he owned in Glendale, Arizona.
25:21
Speaker 3: Over this, that's the real tragedy.
25:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, like at two Baskin Robbins coming on.
25:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why he had to lose the
25:30
Speaker 2: Baskin Robbins franchises.
25:32
Speaker 1: It's not like Baskin Robbins even by then was killing it.
25:35
Speaker 3: No. No, They've always been the second tier ice cream chain.
25:39
Speaker 1: You could do a lot worse than having a notorious
25:42
Speaker 1: B list celebrity, possible murderer owning a couple of year
25:46
Speaker 1: spots in Arizona.
25:48
Speaker 2: I did find it very funny that he owns basket
25:51
Speaker 2: He owned a few Baskin Robbins in Arizona. I did
25:53
Speaker 2: it when I was reading about it, that titbit really
25:57
Speaker 2: struck my fancy.
25:58
Speaker 3: It's fun to.
25:59
Speaker 1: Think skin Robbins was also one of the last things
26:02
Speaker 1: Schondra Levy searched for on her computer.
26:07
Speaker 2: So imagine working at the Baskin Robbins when this happens.
26:12
Speaker 3: It's gonna be wild.
26:13
Speaker 1: Imagine Gary Kanda trying to lie about this and then
26:16
Speaker 1: they're like, she googled Baskin Robbins. Dude, no one's doing that. Also,
26:21
Speaker 1: what's Google.
26:22
Speaker 2: It's two thousand and one, right, Yeah, no, I guess
26:24
Speaker 2: she asked Jeeves about basket Trubbins.
26:28
Speaker 1: So yeah. Unsurprisingly he lost his two thousand and two
26:31
Speaker 1: re election bidh no shit.
26:34
Speaker 2: After being accused a murder, Usually people could bounce.
26:38
Speaker 3: Back from that.
26:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is back when scandal's mattered. Yeah, and just
26:43
Speaker 1: having the woman you were having an illicit affair with
26:46
Speaker 1: going missing in the park was enough to cost a
26:50
Speaker 1: guy an election.
26:51
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kinda fuck up. It's gonna fuck your
26:54
Speaker 2: stuff up. It really is not worth it, I would say.
26:59
Speaker 1: I would agree. So this next wrinkled to the story.
27:03
Speaker 1: It feels to me at least like this should be
27:06
Speaker 1: The answer is early as May two thousand and one,
27:09
Speaker 1: the same month Schondra Levy went missing, DC Park police
27:13
Speaker 1: knew someone was attacking women on the hiking trails in
27:18
Speaker 1: Rock Creek Park. Right at the end of May, a
27:21
Speaker 1: woman named Karen Moseley. Karen was walking her dog in
27:26
Speaker 1: the park when a young Hispanic man exposed himself before
27:30
Speaker 1: running away after her dog snarled. When she ran to
27:34
Speaker 1: a payphone and called police, They told her she was
27:37
Speaker 1: lucky to get away because a man had just attacked
27:40
Speaker 1: a jogger on the trail a few days later. I
27:43
Speaker 1: hope they told her that in person and not over
27:46
Speaker 1: the phone while she was still standing out in the
27:49
Speaker 1: open as an open target.
27:51
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a horror movie set up.
27:54
Speaker 3: Just like you're lucky you got away. There's been a
27:57
Speaker 3: guy on the loose attacking people.
28:00
Speaker 1: Are you calling us from your car? Drive away quickly?
28:05
Speaker 1: So somehow this happens in May. Everyone knows Seandra Leeve
28:10
Speaker 1: he's missing by now, and the detectives investigating her disappearance
28:15
Speaker 1: weren't told about any of this until July twentieth, when,
28:20
Speaker 1: and even then they just received a tip from someone
28:23
Speaker 1: that a woman had had this incident happen in the
28:26
Speaker 1: park and they call the park police and that's the
28:30
Speaker 1: first time they learned that a Salvadoran immigrant name ing
28:34
Speaker 1: Mar Gwandika was in jail for assaulting two women in
28:39
Speaker 1: Rock Creek Park right Hallie Shilling, thirty was attacked on
28:43
Speaker 1: May fourteenth, Christy Weigand twenty five was attacked seven weeks
28:47
Speaker 1: later on July first. Both women were able to fight
28:51
Speaker 1: off their attacker, who turned out to be ing Mark
28:54
Speaker 1: Gwan d K who was arrested about forty five minutes
28:58
Speaker 1: after the attack on and police were able to get
29:03
Speaker 1: him to implicate himself in those two attacks. So then
29:06
Speaker 1: they ask him about Chondra Levy, but they just kind
29:09
Speaker 1: of like casually show him a picture and say, hey,
29:12
Speaker 1: you ever seen her? And he says, yeah, I saw
29:14
Speaker 1: her in the park, but I didn't attack her. And
29:16
Speaker 1: then they asked if he thought she was attractive, and
29:19
Speaker 1: he said yes, and then they just left it at that.
29:22
Speaker 1: They didn't send any of this information to the DC police.
29:26
Speaker 3: Well, okay, in case closed, it seems above board.
29:29
Speaker 1: And the park cop who was interviewing this guy, his
29:34
Speaker 1: reasoning for that was, well, her case wasn't mine to investigate.
29:38
Speaker 1: It's like that is not how being a cop works.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like there should be some sort of communication.
29:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did say he regrets not saying anything now,
29:51
Speaker 1: but hey, thanks. So after the detectives investigating Chandra Levy
29:56
Speaker 1: find out about this, they still focus on Gary Kha
30:00
Speaker 1: for like another two months. Yeah, and that's where that
30:05
Speaker 1: botched computer search becomes a problem, because had they known
30:10
Speaker 1: about Rock Creek Park right away, then they might have
30:13
Speaker 1: found out about this guy right away. They might have
30:16
Speaker 1: searched the park and found her body, which possibly would
30:20
Speaker 1: have contained some sort of evidence pointing to a suspect. Right,
30:24
Speaker 1: But none of that happened, And I'm not sure if
30:29
Speaker 1: learning about him would have even helped. I feel like
30:32
Speaker 1: they still might have just focused on Gary Condit.
30:34
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's the thing. Condit seems like such
30:37
Speaker 2: an obvious choice.
30:39
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
30:41
Speaker 2: I mean, if they'd already arrested this guy for other
30:44
Speaker 2: attacks and why, you know, I guess he doesn't really
30:47
Speaker 2: have any reason not to admit if he had also
30:50
Speaker 2: attacked Chandra.
30:52
Speaker 1: Oh, no, he would, because he only attacked those two women.
30:56
Speaker 1: Chandra Levy was murdered.
30:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't kill her, killed, that's true.
31:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that would have given him good
31:03
Speaker 1: reason to lie about Shondra Levy while telling the truth
31:07
Speaker 1: about the other two.
31:08
Speaker 3: But then it's weird to say that he saw her.
31:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. The way they got him to confess was weird.
31:15
Speaker 1: He didn't really confess to those two attacks. He just
31:19
Speaker 1: implicated himself because the detective was like, Okay, well, is
31:23
Speaker 1: it possible maybe she just ran into you and misunderstood
31:26
Speaker 1: what happened.
31:27
Speaker 3: Should have brought Brad Garrett in there have him finish
31:29
Speaker 3: it off.
31:30
Speaker 1: What they could have maybe done was bring in someone
31:32
Speaker 1: who spoke Spanish.
31:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, did that might happen, because that would have been important.
31:39
Speaker 1: They gave him two polygraph tests, both conducted by people
31:44
Speaker 1: who did not speak Spanish. Jesus Christ, he spoke no English,
31:50
Speaker 1: and somehow that's that second polygraph is how they eliminated
31:55
Speaker 1: him as a suspect.
31:57
Speaker 2: How that's that's something else?
32:03
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't order food if I couldn't speak Spanish
32:07
Speaker 1: and the person talking to me couldn't speak English.
32:10
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I guess I'll understand in what
32:13
Speaker 2: world any sort of polygraph is admissible if the language
32:17
Speaker 2: isn't spoken, because it measures because the polygraph just measures
32:20
Speaker 2: your heartbeat basically, and you're, you know of supposed stress level,
32:25
Speaker 2: and how are you not going to have an elevated
32:28
Speaker 2: heart free You're getting questioned about in a language that
32:32
Speaker 2: you don't understand. I'd be freaking out.
32:34
Speaker 1: And then you have to sit there and hear it
32:36
Speaker 1: in a language you don't understand. Then you have to
32:38
Speaker 1: have it translated to you. And here's hoping that translator
32:42
Speaker 1: likes you and is translating everything perfectly geeze. So they
32:48
Speaker 1: really delayed looking into this guy as a possible suspect,
32:52
Speaker 1: literally until it was too late. The FBI finally interviewed
32:55
Speaker 1: him in February two thousand and two. So yeah, nine
33:00
Speaker 1: months after Shondra Leievey went missing, right, and then they
33:04
Speaker 1: find her body three months later. And by that point,
33:07
Speaker 1: even if you get a confession out of the guy,
33:09
Speaker 1: you're not going to get any physical evidence because her
33:11
Speaker 1: body is so decomposed.
33:13
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly.
33:15
Speaker 1: They did eventually try ingmar Guan di Que for this murder,
33:21
Speaker 1: and despite a lack of physical evidence and everything, just
33:27
Speaker 1: relying on testimony from a jailhouse informant who turned out
33:31
Speaker 1: to be a bad dude, as Joe Biden would call him,
33:36
Speaker 1: they convicted him. He was convicted in twenty ten. And
33:39
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the last thing I remember from this, yeah,
33:43
Speaker 1: is they they found the guy who did it and
33:45
Speaker 1: convicted him, And I thought.
33:47
Speaker 2: Oh cool, that was definitely the last time I had
33:49
Speaker 2: heard anything about this, and I barely you know, again,
33:54
Speaker 2: I was so young when this first happened that my
33:57
Speaker 2: awareness of it was still pretty low.
34:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was in my early twenties, mid twenties, so.
34:03
Speaker 2: I like, I was like thirteen when she disappeared.
34:06
Speaker 1: So this was my wheelhouse. It was this and being
34:10
Speaker 1: excited about the impending MTV Video Music Awards on September tenth,
34:15
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, of course.
34:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, which were like, I mean, a huge news story.
34:20
Speaker 1: It's Britney Spears with a snake.
34:21
Speaker 3: I remember, that's a big one, big deal.
34:24
Speaker 1: That was a big deal.
34:26
Speaker 3: It was a huge deal for about like twelve hours.
34:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so any chances of them tying him definitively
34:37
Speaker 1: to this disappeared when her body was left in Rock
34:42
Speaker 1: Creek Park for more than a year, and as it
34:45
Speaker 1: turns out, on the day she went missing, which was
34:48
Speaker 1: May first, he missed work that day and showed up
34:52
Speaker 1: at his landlord's place later asking if he could stay there,
34:57
Speaker 1: which you know you're desperate when you're asking your fucking
34:59
Speaker 1: life frash, that's that's bold.
35:03
Speaker 2: I can't even fathom.
35:05
Speaker 1: And she said he showed up looking like he had
35:08
Speaker 1: been in a fight, and he had bruises and scratches
35:11
Speaker 1: on his face. So yeah, it's possible that he's the one.
35:17
Speaker 2: Who did it, I mean, yeah, but his.
35:20
Speaker 1: Conviction was overturned shortly thereafter, like his conviction only stood
35:26
Speaker 1: for a couple of months. And then it turns out
35:29
Speaker 1: a woman recorded a conversation with the witness who testified
35:34
Speaker 1: against him, and that witness was just a fucking maniac
35:38
Speaker 1: like he was. He was a gang member, he wasn't
35:42
Speaker 1: like gang affiliated. He was talking about murders on this
35:46
Speaker 1: tape and all kinds of crazy shit, hardcore. Yeah, And
35:50
Speaker 1: it's like, even if he's telling the truth, there are
35:52
Speaker 1: some character issues at the character issues, so ingmar Guandique's
36:00
Speaker 1: up getting his conviction overturned. So sure, the death of
36:04
Speaker 1: Chondra Levy remains unsolved. He was deported back to l
36:10
Speaker 1: Salvador in twenty eleven. And I don't say this often,
36:14
Speaker 1: almost never, but.
36:15
Speaker 3: Good yeah, I mean, you know, he doesn't seem great,
36:20
Speaker 3: like a great guy.
36:21
Speaker 1: No, he was a violent predator for sure. It's just
36:26
Speaker 1: we can't prove definitively that he killed Chondra Levy. Right,
36:31
Speaker 1: but even before those two attacks in the park, he
36:34
Speaker 1: had like the one that happened in late May happened
36:38
Speaker 1: two weeks after he got out of jail for attacking
36:41
Speaker 1: a neighbor of his landlord. So he moves in with
36:44
Speaker 1: his landlord potentially because he just killed Schondra Levy and
36:48
Speaker 1: he's like, well, this is a good time to rob
36:50
Speaker 1: my landlord's neighbor. And he went to jail for that
36:54
Speaker 1: and then got out and commits these two attacks in
36:57
Speaker 1: the park. So he's at least proximity to where Chondra
37:02
Speaker 1: Levy was, right at least what we suspect was the
37:07
Speaker 1: last place she went. And he said he saw her
37:09
Speaker 1: while he was hanging out in a parking lot near
37:11
Speaker 1: the hiking trails. And one of the women he attacked
37:15
Speaker 1: said that she first noticed him hanging out in a
37:17
Speaker 1: parking lot while she was running past on the trails.
37:21
Speaker 1: So he makes sense for it, but we're literally never
37:24
Speaker 1: gonna know.
37:25
Speaker 2: No, it's impossible at this point. I don't think that
37:28
Speaker 2: there will ever be a concrete answer.
37:31
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, maybe he didn't kill her because
37:35
Speaker 1: in the weirdest fucking twist possible, Chondra Levy's name came
37:40
Speaker 1: up again in twenty seventeen when allegations of sexual misconduct
37:45
Speaker 1: were made against Michigan Representative John Conyers.
37:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
37:51
Speaker 1: The guy that Nancy Pelosi when people asked about these allegations,
37:55
Speaker 1: responded with he is an icon.
37:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAHSI not the best judge of character in the universe.
38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, like up to that point, Bill Cosby was an
38:07
Speaker 1: icon too, exactly, and he still had to answer for
38:11
Speaker 1: what he did.
38:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that.
38:13
Speaker 2: I remember the John Conyers story, but I did not
38:16
Speaker 2: remember this specific detail.
38:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is nuts. In a December twenty seventeen article
38:23
Speaker 1: on the Washington Post, So it's not like this is
38:26
Speaker 1: in a fucking conspiracy blog.
38:28
Speaker 3: This is a real deal.
38:30
Speaker 1: A woman named Courtney Morse told a pretty shocking story
38:35
Speaker 1: about John Conyers. This is a quote from the article.
38:38
Speaker 1: Morse told the Post she quit her internship after Conyers
38:42
Speaker 1: drove her home from work one night, wrapped his hand
38:45
Speaker 1: around hers as it rested on her lap, and told
38:48
Speaker 1: her he was interested in a sexual relationship. When she
38:52
Speaker 1: rejected his advances, Morse said he brought up the then
38:55
Speaker 1: developing investigation into the disappearance of former federal intern Schondra Levy.
39:01
Speaker 1: He said he had insider information on the case. I
39:05
Speaker 1: don't know if he meant to be threatening, but I
39:08
Speaker 1: took it that way. I got out of the car
39:10
Speaker 1: and ran.
39:11
Speaker 2: Good, good, good, lady.
39:13
Speaker 1: That's weird as fuck.
39:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a weird thing to say in any context.
39:21
Speaker 1: Like, I just I can't imagine bringing that up as
39:26
Speaker 1: like a brag.
39:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's a brag so much
39:30
Speaker 2: as it is. It feels more like from what I
39:33
Speaker 2: can tell, someone trying to scare a weaker person that
39:40
Speaker 2: he's praying on with. What would you say, like an
39:45
Speaker 2: example of how powerful and connected he is.
39:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a risky move.
39:52
Speaker 3: Oh sure, the whole thing is risky.
39:55
Speaker 1: It's not like he did this in twenty eleven. This
39:57
Speaker 1: was two thousand and one, while the case was happening.
40:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, fresh on the mind, and.
40:03
Speaker 1: Like I doubt it was meant to impress. Like I
40:07
Speaker 1: can't imagine he was like, hey, want to fuck She
40:09
Speaker 1: was like no, And he was like, what if I
40:11
Speaker 1: told you I know about Chandra Levy?
40:15
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah maybe, uh no, I mean it's it's very
40:19
Speaker 2: clearly a threat.
40:20
Speaker 1: The Conyers thing becomes a lot weirder because of another
40:24
Speaker 1: article I found that was written by this guy named
40:28
Speaker 1: John Schindler, who is a former NSA analyst and a
40:33
Speaker 1: former counterintelligence agent who writes for a website called observer
40:39
Speaker 1: dot com. Occasionally and he suggests that deep state types
40:45
Speaker 1: like himself, I guess that's what they are. Yeah, and
40:49
Speaker 1: intelligence guys, he claims they had a different theory around
40:55
Speaker 1: two thousand and one as to what happened to Schondra Levy,
40:58
Speaker 1: and he says it all centered around Condit's personal life
41:02
Speaker 1: and how he was just a total fucking poonhound.
41:06
Speaker 3: Which it seems to be true.
41:08
Speaker 1: And he was also a member of the House Permanent
41:11
Speaker 1: Select Committee on Intelligence. So watch your episodes of the
41:16
Speaker 1: Americans people. Yeah, that means he's a prime target for espionage. Yeah,
41:20
Speaker 1: because he's in a powerful place and he's out fucking
41:23
Speaker 1: around on his wife. And that means what happens if
41:27
Speaker 1: a beautiful Russian sits down next to you at the
41:31
Speaker 1: Davos World Economic Conference, right hypothetically? Uh, Schindler. Actually, there's
41:37
Speaker 1: a section in Gary Condit's book where he talks about
41:41
Speaker 1: that exact thing happening. He was at the World Economic
41:45
Speaker 1: Forum in Davos, and he said a Russian woman who
41:49
Speaker 1: was very pretty sat down next to him, and he
41:52
Speaker 1: basically tells this story about her coming back to his
41:55
Speaker 1: hotel with him.
41:56
Speaker 2: And I want to say, that is a weird thing
41:59
Speaker 2: to put in your memoir. It sure is when you
42:04
Speaker 2: are a Congressman on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't let anyone with a
42:13
Speaker 1: Russian accent sit within twenty five feet of me if
42:16
Speaker 1: I was on that fucking committee.
42:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I also wouldn't fuck around. So
42:21
Speaker 2: you know, Gary condit's on another level.
42:24
Speaker 1: But I also haven't been told I look like Harrison Ford.
42:26
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens when you have that kind of power.
42:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was too much power for one man to wield.
42:33
Speaker 3: Look what happened to Harrison Ford. That's why Harrison Ford
42:36
Speaker 3: crashes his plane so much. People keep telling him you
42:39
Speaker 3: look like Harrison Ford.
42:41
Speaker 1: So Schindler, when he brings up this review, says that
42:46
Speaker 1: basically the suggestion around the time Schondra Leevey went missing
42:51
Speaker 1: was that Gary Kandit had been compromised, basically right to
42:57
Speaker 1: his knowledge or otherwise, Sure, and what being used as
43:01
Speaker 1: a source of information for another government, potentially Russia. Probably
43:06
Speaker 1: He alludes to it being Russia, and that because they
43:11
Speaker 1: would have been monitoring him so heavily had one of
43:14
Speaker 1: the women he was having an affair with started to
43:17
Speaker 1: act up and possibly compromise his career. They might have
43:22
Speaker 1: swooped in and taken care of the problem for him, which,
43:26
Speaker 1: on the one hand, I can see it, but it
43:29
Speaker 1: would be a very short sighted thing because you'd have
43:33
Speaker 1: to see that scandal coming exactly.
43:35
Speaker 2: That's what's so That's what kind of makes me skeptical
43:39
Speaker 2: about that angle of it is. It's not like he
43:42
Speaker 2: then continued to be a good asset after he after
43:48
Speaker 2: you know, she was killed. Then that put all this
43:50
Speaker 2: like spot like to put a spotlight on him, as
43:53
Speaker 2: we talked about, like for months, I.
43:55
Speaker 1: Wonder if they were assuming police were just going to
43:57
Speaker 1: pin it on that guy in the park.
44:00
Speaker 2: I don't know, if anything, I would have actually had
44:03
Speaker 2: that guy kill her, if you know, if I were
44:05
Speaker 2: going to try to do that or but I don't
44:08
Speaker 2: know how to you even get in touch with that.
44:10
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it does seem to me.
44:12
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's thinking too small, but it
44:16
Speaker 2: just feels like condit did it.
44:19
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what my gut tells me.
44:21
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
44:23
Speaker 1: My problem with that is whenever people bring up, oh, well,
44:27
Speaker 1: that guy had a girlfriend on the side, he probably
44:30
Speaker 1: committed this murder. It is such a big leap from
44:33
Speaker 1: cheating on your wife to murder, Like that is not
44:36
Speaker 1: a leap most people make.
44:39
Speaker 2: True, But if you're a politician, and especially one who's
44:43
Speaker 2: so connected, and you know, I am positive that once
44:48
Speaker 2: you are in the federal government, you are you kind
44:50
Speaker 2: of become aware of these resources available to you that
44:55
Speaker 2: aren't available to just like normal people, you know, Like
44:58
Speaker 2: it's I feel like people get murdered for politicians all
45:02
Speaker 2: the time and we just don't find out about it,
45:04
Speaker 2: or you know, the connections never made or whatever. Well, no,
45:08
Speaker 2: it just or maybe not all the time. But I
45:11
Speaker 2: feel like if yeah, if you're a politician, like there's
45:15
Speaker 2: that's also a clearer motive. It's a clearer motive for
45:20
Speaker 2: instead of like if he was an asset having this
45:24
Speaker 2: this foreign government killed this woman, which seems to run
45:28
Speaker 2: completely to their the goal there, which would be keeping
45:32
Speaker 2: him as an asset, it makes more sense that he's
45:35
Speaker 2: just an impulsive idiot and in an desperate attempt to
45:40
Speaker 2: save his career, thinks that he's going to have this
45:43
Speaker 2: woman killed.
45:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, the John Conyers thing, I guess it seems more
45:49
Speaker 1: alarming or weird because I didn't realize John Conyers had
45:53
Speaker 1: so many ties to Russia.
45:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.
45:57
Speaker 2: Like, there's definitely a lot of weird shit on the fringe,
46:00
Speaker 2: and especially the whole John Conyers thing is very strange.
46:03
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. We'll link to an article, but people
46:07
Speaker 1: who can't wait that long if you want, just google
46:10
Speaker 1: John Knyer's Russia, like his ties to the current. Like
46:14
Speaker 1: there's all these examples of him like breaking from fellow
46:18
Speaker 1: Democrats when they criticize Russia. He was involved in this
46:22
Speaker 1: thing called the World Peace Council, which is basically or
46:26
Speaker 1: was a Kremlin front in the eighties and nineties. So
46:30
Speaker 1: the combination of this former NSA analyst saying, hey, here's
46:34
Speaker 1: what we thought happened, and John Knyer's having all these
46:37
Speaker 1: ties to Russia and also saying, I know what happened
46:41
Speaker 1: to Shandra Levy. Yeah, it seems really really fucking strange
46:46
Speaker 1: to me.
46:47
Speaker 3: It's very It is very strange.
46:49
Speaker 2: I just always tend to fall on the side of
46:53
Speaker 2: people acting selfishly and shittley as weird as it is
46:58
Speaker 2: for Kanye's to talk about Schondra Levy, especially in two
47:00
Speaker 2: thousand and one, it's very strange. I mean, it was
47:03
Speaker 2: in the news, so he knew that she would know
47:05
Speaker 2: what he was talking about. And if he's the I mean,
47:09
Speaker 2: he sounds like a huge asshole who would try to
47:12
Speaker 2: use his power to get people to do what he wants,
47:16
Speaker 2: and he probably does know.
47:18
Speaker 3: Like it's always possible that he actually.
47:20
Speaker 2: Does know what happened to Sean r Levy and that
47:22
Speaker 2: it was that Condat had her killed, and that could
47:26
Speaker 2: be the implication. Yeah, I mean, you know.
47:29
Speaker 1: So maybe Condat had Russia have her killed.
47:31
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he did, maybe they both did, maybe they
47:34
Speaker 2: were both in on it.
47:36
Speaker 1: See I want to say, even then, you would have
47:39
Speaker 1: to be concerned that you were going to leave a
47:42
Speaker 1: lot of clues about your involvement with her behind. But
47:47
Speaker 1: with it being two thousand and one, you never know.
47:49
Speaker 1: Like I feel like Russia would have been smarter about
47:51
Speaker 1: computers and phones by that point and would have known
47:55
Speaker 1: that even if Gary Conda paid someone to have her killed,
48:00
Speaker 1: the scrutiny's gonna come back on him. Sure, unless someone
48:04
Speaker 1: had knowledge of this guy attacking people in the park
48:07
Speaker 1: and knew she runs in the park and was like,
48:09
Speaker 1: we gonna do it there, who knows.
48:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know this.
48:12
Speaker 3: This is a weird one. There's no really like compelling
48:16
Speaker 3: obvious culprit here.
48:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think it's possible, Gary kandit did nine
48:22
Speaker 1: to eleven to cover up what happened to Schondra.
48:25
Speaker 3: Levy actually, just to take the heat off a little bit.
48:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, maybe, maybe, maybe maybe he's the reason why
48:34
Speaker 2: no one saw that Osama bin laden to attack America.
48:39
Speaker 3: You know, like that famous memo. He's like, let me
48:43
Speaker 3: take that home for a minute. I'll give it to
48:45
Speaker 3: the president. Just let me let me take a look here.
48:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, that flight that went down in Pennsylvania was supposed
48:51
Speaker 1: to crash into Rock Creek Park.
48:53
Speaker 2: Oh shit, it turns out she was on United ninety three.
49:00
Speaker 3: That would have been wild.
49:01
Speaker 2: What do yeah, yeah, that would be if if that
49:04
Speaker 2: was somehow I mean, when.
49:06
Speaker 1: It just crashed into her remains. Oh my shit, how
49:12
Speaker 1: did she get on this plane? According to forensic evidence,
49:16
Speaker 1: she's been on this plane for nine months.
49:19
Speaker 3: Turns out wait, no, she was in Tower seven.
49:23
Speaker 1: Oh. They're never going to solve this.
49:25
Speaker 2: No, never, there's no way. How is it, like, how
49:28
Speaker 2: would it even be possible to solve it? I can't
49:30
Speaker 2: think of a path like that doesn't involve weird illegal
49:35
Speaker 2: investigation tactics or whatever.
49:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the federal government can't pan a murder on
49:42
Speaker 1: an El Salvadoran immigrant who is a member of MS thirteen,
49:47
Speaker 1: this is never getting solved exactly. I'm surprised that guy
49:52
Speaker 1: was just deported and is not the subject of a
49:55
Speaker 1: six part Netflix documentary about how I was in prison
49:58
Speaker 1: for something he didn't do for twenty years.
50:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's serial season for whatever season we're on.
50:05
Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing, nothing is gonna.
50:08
Speaker 2: Do no this one. This one doesn't have any sort
50:12
Speaker 2: of tidy ending. It's just kind of like, well there's
50:16
Speaker 2: the facts.
50:17
Speaker 1: Who knows, But uh, I do encourage people to look
50:20
Speaker 1: into John Conyers in Russia. Boy is that a rabbit hole?
50:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird shit like Russia gets used way too often
50:27
Speaker 2: as a scapegoat for pretty much any bad thing that
50:30
Speaker 2: happens in politics now. But I mean there's still a
50:35
Speaker 2: big superpower who don't like us very much, so they
50:39
Speaker 2: do things. You know, it's naive to think that they're
50:43
Speaker 2: not operating a intelligence operation as sophisticated as ours is.
50:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's our episode. I think this is fun.
50:54
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing it, Neill, thank.
50:55
Speaker 2: You for having me on to have something different to
50:59
Speaker 2: think about than are the impending collapse of art civilization.
51:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been. How's your lockdown going? Pretty normal?
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51:17
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51:22
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51:25
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51:30
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51:36
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Speaker 2: So, uh, I got a new idea about who's killed
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Speaker 2: schondra Levy.
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Speaker 3: That's these negative.
53:19
Speaker 1: Commenters exactly, negative commenters killed schondra Levy.
53:25
Speaker 3: And cons after him.
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Speaker 2: Wait I believe did he Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I think so Russia killed him. Probably Russia killed him.
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