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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 106 | Team Battled But Injuries Rise & Still Losing On Big Plays Lead To Packers Over Jags · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcoming too a Monday morning Jags Am, I'm Kadannie Stevens,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, and John Osier are with me today. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about that last second loss to the Packers yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars fall two, two and six on the season.
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  Speaker 1: It's all their fault. That's big thing, Number one. Easy
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  Speaker 1: to blame things on the defense. After that play that
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  Speaker 1: led to the field goal to win the game, Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen talked about things after the thame.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, this is definitely hurts right now. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we had every opportunity to win a game, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: again it comes back down to those you know, those
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  Speaker 2: those those little those little mistakes for I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what happened on that last place. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: she still got hurt or something. So hopefully he's he's
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  Speaker 2: feeling all right. But you know this, this one was
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  Speaker 2: definite gonna hurt cause i' but like we had a
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  Speaker 2: great game, defense, league touch of the teams, pumplessly. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think we all made big plays when we needed
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  Speaker 2: it the most, but we.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't we didn't get this victory.
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  Speaker 2: So you know that on this one really works.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, we know what happened on that play. Now, we
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  Speaker 1: saw Andre Cisco get Bee. He cramped up on that
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  Speaker 1: play and it led to the field goal to win
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  Speaker 1: the game. And obviously that's the last place so you
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  Speaker 1: want to focus on that. But it was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of moments in that game. And again we say this
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  Speaker 1: every week that it comes down to those little moments
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  Speaker 1: and that's what costs them these games.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the thing it stands out to me, kay, is
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  Speaker 4: this is the third time and six losses that they've
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  Speaker 4: lost at the end of the game Miami, Houston and
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  Speaker 4: now against Green Bay, and this defense at the moment
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  Speaker 4: where they need to be their best, right with the
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  Speaker 4: game on the line, couldn't come through and it you
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  Speaker 4: know it. I don't know what to say other than
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  Speaker 4: they just can't seem to hold up when they need
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  Speaker 4: them the most.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland sort of fits that too. It was a
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  Speaker 3: little different, but big play ye get stops a big moments.
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  Speaker 3: In this league, the NFL, these days, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: have shutouts, but you are going to have opportunities to
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  Speaker 3: get off the field at big moments. And look, they're
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  Speaker 3: not getting interior pressure and they're not able to cover
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  Speaker 3: deep very well in the big moments or in other moments,
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  Speaker 3: big breakout plays with more time to throw than should be.
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  Speaker 3: The case has defined the season and it defined sort
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  Speaker 3: of their waterloo if you will, yesterday or.
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  Speaker 1: Big thing number two. It's not their fault in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: There's plenty of blant to go around. Yes, the defense
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  Speaker 1: didn't play as well, but the offense couldn't get going
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  Speaker 1: early once again another cold start. They turned the ball
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  Speaker 1: over as well. Trevor Lawrence talked about some of the
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  Speaker 1: issues on third down.
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  Speaker 5: There's always a couple things, but it wasn't anything crazy.
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  Speaker 5: We just did an execute and I missed a couple
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  Speaker 5: throws on third down throughout the game. There are some
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  Speaker 5: other ones where it just felt like the details weren't
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  Speaker 5: good enough, whether that's being on the same page and
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  Speaker 5: the perimeter, or it just seemed like some of the
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  Speaker 5: details we were lacking a little bit early and some
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  Speaker 5: of the third downs. They made some good plays too,
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  Speaker 5: but we got to be able to convert some of
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  Speaker 5: those third downs. I think we had two or three
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  Speaker 5: three an ounce in a row to start the game
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  Speaker 5: and put our defense in a tough spot, and they
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  Speaker 5: were playing. They were playing great so yeah, we gotta
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  Speaker 5: we gotta be better on third down. We've been better
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  Speaker 5: for the last few weeks going into this game, and
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  Speaker 5: we weren't.
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  Speaker 1: Good at that John it was three three announced to
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  Speaker 1: start the game, and Trevor Lawrence a great last drive
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of backups on the field at that point.
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  Speaker 1: But it's frustrating we can't see the offense do like
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  Speaker 1: a full four quarters of what we know the offense
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  Speaker 1: is capable of, and then we're in situations like this
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  Speaker 1: at the end.
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  Speaker 3: It is, but you know, twenty seven points and to me,
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  Speaker 3: two of the most impressive drives that this team's had
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  Speaker 3: in a long long time. The one early in the
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  Speaker 3: third quarter to take the lead was an impressive, methodical drive.
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  Speaker 3: They got it going. The offense obviously isn't plea blames.
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  Speaker 3: He had two point blank turnovers. They gave the Packers points,
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  Speaker 3: and when discussing the Jaguars defense yesterday, that should be
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  Speaker 3: taking a consideration too. They have some bad breaks early,
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  Speaker 3: but to me, the offense got it going at big times,
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  Speaker 3: got them the lead in the second half.
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  Speaker 6: Those are supposed to be the moments.
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  Speaker 3: After you've sort of treaded water a little bit in
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  Speaker 3: the game where you get the lead and then you
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  Speaker 3: take control of the game.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go the other way. I think the
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  Speaker 6: offense did n't have to win that game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I wrote down in my notebook during the game, you
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  Speaker 4: can't blame the defense for this because they kept the
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  Speaker 4: game closer as the offense was sputtering for the second
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  Speaker 4: straight week. If you recall from Wembley Stadium in London,
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars had twenty five yards on five plays in
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  Speaker 4: the first quarter. Yesterday had fifteen on six plays. It
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  Speaker 4: was preposterous to see the offense come out and completely unable. Now,
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  Speaker 4: credit to the Packers defense. It's a good defense. It
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  Speaker 4: makes things confusing. It took a little while for them
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  Speaker 4: to figure out, and the offense did. But the defense,
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  Speaker 4: they gave up one touchdown and a couple of field goals,
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  Speaker 4: and they kept the game close enough for Trevor to
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  Speaker 4: make it thirteen to ten at the half and then
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  Speaker 4: take the lead and then tie the game. So the
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  Speaker 4: defense did a lot of good things yesterday. But then
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  Speaker 4: they had the long drive after the Jags took the lead.
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  Speaker 4: They gave up the touchdown drive to Malik Willis. The
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  Speaker 4: backup quarterback. Look, Josh Jacobs is a really good running back,
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  Speaker 4: but he's not Derrick Henry, although he ran through arm
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  Speaker 4: tackles yesterday and looked just like Derrick Henry. So you
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  Speaker 4: know that both sides offense slow. John just pointed out
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  Speaker 4: twenty seven points. Great, but you buried yourself early, defense
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  Speaker 4: buried itself late.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to our final big thing today, which is
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  Speaker 1: maybe next man up. Not only did they lose that game,
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  Speaker 1: they lost a lot of players in that game. Several
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  Speaker 1: offensive players, three wide receivers went out. Christian Kirk's injury
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  Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be long term. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know quite yet what's wrong with Brian Thomas Junior will
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  Speaker 1: update that throughout the week, but some you know, Ronald
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  Speaker 1: Darby went out as well, some injuries on the offensive line. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be an issue as well for
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  Speaker 1: them going forward. The injuries. Now they have to.
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  Speaker 4: Deal with no rest for the weary. We were just
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  Speaker 4: talking about getting players back for your luakon returning, perhaps
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  Speaker 4: Dewey coming back on defense to help, and perhaps he
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  Speaker 4: will be back this week. But now all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to deal with an ankle injury from your
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  Speaker 4: left guard, and hopefully Brandon Sheriff is able to continue.
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  Speaker 4: He did get back into the game yesterday, so that's
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  Speaker 4: certainly a good sign. The receivers. That group looks like
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be a mess for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: This is not gonna get easier. And you're going to Philadelphia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you some great insight here she got.
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  Speaker 4: It was one of those games. But sometimes in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of a season, when you're laying it all on
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  Speaker 4: the line and it's sort of the game that you
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  Speaker 4: know is sort of your last stand, you have these
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  Speaker 4: kind of games where players there's no protecting themselves.
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  Speaker 6: They're going all out. The Christian Kirk play.
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  Speaker 3: What an effort, but the effort resulted in injury cause
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  Speaker 3: you're just maxing out and now you're basically redlining.
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  Speaker 6: I I d it. It was too bad for this
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  Speaker 6: team that they didn't get that one yesterday. They deserved it,
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  Speaker 6: They played well enough to get it. But the injuries
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  Speaker 6: coming out of it, and the the.
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  Speaker 3: Gut punch that it was, it just feels like it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be tough to come back from that.
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  Speaker 6: Injuries being the major.
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  Speaker 1: Reason stay with a theor on jag Zam. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: look back at the tape against the Packers in the
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  Speaker 1: last second loss. Welcome back into jag Zam this morning,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Fields Auto Group. Time to look
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  Speaker 1: at some of the tape from yesterday. A frustrating loss
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  Speaker 1: for this team, I mean, fall to two and six
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  Speaker 1: on the season, so lots of questions. Let's look at
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  Speaker 1: some of the tape room yesterday. We start out okay,
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  Speaker 1: we started out not great on offense, but the defense,
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  Speaker 1: you know, gotta stop on their first position, and then
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  Speaker 1: they got a turnover in the second quarter, Jaron Jones
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  Speaker 1: gets his first career interception. You felt like that was
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of momentum, Ryan like, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: did get the you know what did we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the Packers turn the ball over, use that as an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to get the offense going. Great to see there,
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  Speaker 1: especially because some of the secondary play has been questionable
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  Speaker 1: for the scene. To see Jaron Jones step up was
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  Speaker 1: nice well, and we.
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  Speaker 4: Talked about taking advantage of the balls that would be
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  Speaker 4: thrown your way because Jordan Love is a quarterback that
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  Speaker 4: will take chances. And you felt like Okay, you just
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  Speaker 4: stopped a scoring drive. Great for the defense. Unfortunately then
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  Speaker 4: the offense couldn't capitalize.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole first quarter to me was lost momentum,
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  Speaker 3: lost opportunity, mainly because of the Logan Cook punt. He
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  Speaker 3: gets off an unbelievable punt seventy five yards, gets the
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  Speaker 3: Packers out of bounds on their own two. They can't move.
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  Speaker 3: They then do it again and get the Packers on
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  Speaker 3: their own seven. Never could take advantage of that field position.
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  Speaker 3: It was still zero zero after that exchange. I know
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  Speaker 3: the NFL is not a field position game anymore. It
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  Speaker 3: used to be Brian that sort of thing. It was
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  Speaker 3: the whole league. But in that moment, I thought boy
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  Speaker 3: and the interceptions were part of that. When they didn't
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  Speaker 3: get up at that point, all of a sudden, they
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  Speaker 3: were playing uphill the whole rest of the game, when
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  Speaker 3: they had sort of earned to be playing downhill.
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  Speaker 6: Sa if the offense couldn't score.
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  Speaker 4: So they flipped it. You know, hidden yards aren't really
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  Speaker 4: a stat, but they were plus twenty five after the
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  Speaker 4: punt and then forcing them to punt, getting the ball
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  Speaker 4: at midfield. This isn't a team with a big enough
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  Speaker 4: margin for error to miss that.
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  Speaker 1: Opportunity, they need to take advantage, and as we talked about,
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  Speaker 1: getting that interception and then immediately turning the ball back
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  Speaker 1: over to green Bay early on in that game, kind
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  Speaker 1: of gift wrapping them a touchdown after that point because
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  Speaker 1: of the field position at the point of these turnovers.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we know wherever Trevor was trying to go with
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  Speaker 1: that ball. I don't know if it was Christian Kirker,
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  Speaker 1: if there was a route issue where people were at
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  Speaker 1: on it to intercept the ball, and then both of
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  Speaker 1: Trevor's turnovers unfortunately very very bad yardage to give them
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  Speaker 1: a place on the field to make it an easy
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  Speaker 1: touchdown for green Bay after that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure who was wrong there, but I
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  Speaker 6: don't think the play was.
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  Speaker 3: I'm for Christian and to be holding hands at that point,
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  Speaker 3: sou With interceptions like that, I always had to say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: that's on this guy until I know.
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  Speaker 6: But it was huge.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it, they had a chance to sort of
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  Speaker 3: get out from under field position and Tryan had given
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  Speaker 3: them a really nice break that you didn't expect.
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't nuts about the interference called to a touchdown.
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  Speaker 6: Unline Eric I'm not sure that that was.
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  Speaker 3: It just seems every yeah, every time the balls in
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  Speaker 3: the air, aren't you holding your breath for a flag?
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  Speaker 3: It's and that may have been interference, but it just
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  Speaker 3: seems like I wasn't sure about that.
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  Speaker 4: He leaned into him, He dodged reverse the route, and
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  Speaker 4: Montera had no time to adjust whatsoever. He just leaned
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  Speaker 4: into him. It was a heads up play by a receiver.
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  Speaker 4: He got the benefit of call.
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  Speaker 1: Frustrating for Montera cause I feel like he's been playing
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  Speaker 1: well too and he's not gonna get those calls. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think at this point talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the offense. When they did get going a big pass
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  Speaker 1: to Kirk over the middle, then getting their first score
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  Speaker 1: of the game. Ch it's frustrating when they don't get
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  Speaker 1: the start. But then I will give Trevor credit for
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  Speaker 1: bouncing back. And I don't know if it was just
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  Speaker 1: the scripted plays they were having an issue with. They
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  Speaker 1: simplified it after the fact and that's what got them
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  Speaker 1: going a little bit. But you see what he's teams
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  Speaker 1: will and maybe that's why I get so frustrated because
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  Speaker 1: we see these other plays and you're like, why didn't
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  Speaker 1: we do that to you know, why do we do
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  Speaker 1: that to start?
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  Speaker 4: Like, and you're not gonna go see that from Kirk, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're not. And there's a couple more.
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  Speaker 1: It's he had some catches in this game, and you're
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  Speaker 1: you realize the role he felt he has on this
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  Speaker 1: team and it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 4: Taking well to hell, we saw last year what it
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  Speaker 4: meant when he wasn't on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of I thought, Trevor again, I feel
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  Speaker 3: better about Trevor after that game yesterday that I had
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  Speaker 3: in his career.
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  Speaker 6: I think he.
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  Speaker 3: Had some moments that was really impressed with. At the
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  Speaker 3: same time, I wonder if you're gonna see it because
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  Speaker 3: this kid, Christian Kirk, is the guy that gets this
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  Speaker 3: thing going. It's the guy that they lean on when
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  Speaker 3: things are stagnant.
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  Speaker 6: To have it not be stagnant.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a challenge for them to find
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  Speaker 3: something to spark them the way he does.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe this guy does it right getting fired up.
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  Speaker 6: That's nice.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Traver's reaction here remember this because I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: talk about it in my hot egg. But his reaction
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  Speaker 4: here on their sideline I thought was a good sign.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to see it. Also, let's talk about this
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  Speaker 1: touchdown to Brian Thomas Junior, big catch by Christian Kirk,
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  Speaker 1: a drive to set that all up again. We're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna have Kirk for a while, so not to be
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  Speaker 1: the dead horse, it's unfortunate, but he what he brings
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  Speaker 1: to the team, and then also opening things up for
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas and what he was able to do with.
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  Speaker 4: The touchdown catch.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he makes those plays look really simple. And
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  Speaker 1: I think we don't know the extent of Brian Thomas's injury,
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  Speaker 1: how much time, if time, he will miss, but what
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  Speaker 1: the office is going to look like without Christian out there.
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  Speaker 3: For Brian, the focus will into yeah, and he'll have
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: to beat more doubles. It'll be more obvious that you
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  Speaker 3: have to take him away. Gabe Davis, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: the extent of his but hasn't really shown that he
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: can draw anything away from Brian Thomas yet, So it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a challenge to find another guy they
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  Speaker 3: can depend on that. I will say this, I'm more encouraged.
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  Speaker 3: I think they have a better backup plan for Christian
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  Speaker 3: than they do any other spot. Parker Washington has shown
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  Speaker 3: signs that it's not absurd to think in two or
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  Speaker 3: three weeks that we could be looking at this and saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well this kid can do it. He's done enough. But
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: his challenge is going to be can he be that
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  Speaker 3: guy when they need him rather than when he's not
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  Speaker 3: being guarded. Can he be Christian Kirk in terms of
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  Speaker 3: really getting them going the way he did? That's what
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  Speaker 3: we don't know.
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  Speaker 4: He's not as smooth as Christian, but he's a sudden player, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and he can get separation and create plays for himself
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  Speaker 4: with his own natural ability. He just doesn't have the
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  Speaker 4: time on task or like Christian, the relationship with the quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: so it's going to take time to develop.
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  Speaker 6: It will be interesting though.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen the explosiveness from Parker, which is exciting that
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  Speaker 1: maybe Christian Kirk doesn't always have, and obviously in that
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  Speaker 1: punt return and what he's able to do with his speed,
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  Speaker 1: so that will be interesting to see with a little
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  Speaker 1: more time actually playing what he'll be able to do.
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  Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about Malik Williams coming into the game. Obviously,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan Love didn't really look himself for most of the game,
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually leaving and then Malik Wilson Josh Jacobs
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  Speaker 1: just running all over the place. The defense could not
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  Speaker 1: corral them. And is this just is this fatigue? Is
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: not discipline? What's going on with the tackling.
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  Speaker 4: It listening at this point, There's two things going on.
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  Speaker 4: One is, Malik Willis has fresh legs because he's been
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: watching for two and a half quarters on an eighty
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  Speaker 4: five degree day. It was warm out there, as you
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  Speaker 4: guys know. The other part of it is he's a
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: completely different kind of quarterback and he's more of a
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: zone read guy than you saw there. Andre Cisco froze
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: in the hole because he was focused on the quarterback
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: and that just the stop right there allowed Jacobs to
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: get beyond him and get to the outside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't game plan for anything that they gave
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  Speaker 3: you after Jacobs out of the game. That's not an excuse.
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  Speaker 3: It was still a poor performance or not they effort,
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  Speaker 3: but that certainly felt like a team had least started
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: the game, probably around the second quarter, you would have
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: seen the Jaguars adjust to what they were doing. He
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: didn't start the game, so you had sort of adjustment
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  Speaker 3: period through the end of the game and then by
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  Speaker 3: the end they ran a great play at the end
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  Speaker 3: based off of what they'd been doing.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: They really fooled them. So it was a.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Credit to the Packers, I mean another team. They overcame the
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: moment or took advantage of the moment much better than
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Jaguars did.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I think. I know the fans have some coaching concerns
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: with certain things of the Jaguar. I'm sure that's part
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: of the frustration. You're not seeing in game adjustments to
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: things like that. And I understand that you know, you
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: didn't plan for the backup quarterback, but there's no it
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: didn't seem there was a defensive adjustments at any point
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: when he started running like that Trevor Lawrence turnover the fumble.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen him fumble much this year, but very
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: inopportune time, very inopportune place on the field setting up
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: a touchdown, and that that was for them to come
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: back and tie the game. After this, I was impressed
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: with because this I thought was going to be it.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: This was the moment that it was like, oh, they'll
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: go up, you know, and.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Listen this week he talked about why he hadn't fumbled,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: and he talked about ball security, escaping the pocket, getting
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: both hands on the ball, and not becoming a passer
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: again until he was clear. Well, as you can see,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: he drops his right hand trying to shed the defender
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: and leaves the ball just hanging out there. You know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: you'd like to say, well, have it up higher in
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: the air, right it doesn't get hit, But he doesn't.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I d and it was costly.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: With this situation, My thought was a Packers, We're going
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: to get the ball on around the fifty and probably
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: get points. So I don't know that it absolutely defined
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the game. I also don't know. I feel like Brian,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: this is the eighth game and its first time this
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: has happened this year. It doesn't feel like it's been
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: a trend this year. As we talked about before the show,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: He's not going to go the rest of his career
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: and never fumbling, So I don't know that this is
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: as much part of his overall trend. No, I'm going
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: to hope and think that it's a one of those
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: things that happens during the course of this year. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I was more impressed with what he did after this
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: than anything I've seen in his career so far.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Lookten I'm with you on that. I don't think it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: a trend. I think he has overcome that. But perception
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: being reality, Sure, this team is three and eleven in
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: their last fourteen games, and they have seen we haven't
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: been able to shed that losing at the end of
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: the right because we started it right up this year
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: and that was commonplace last year. So it seems like
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: it's just a continuation. It's not.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a fair analysis. I just have seen different
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: stuff from him that I don't think this is part
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: of it anymore. And it's too bad this happen.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: But to the average person who's watching, it's tough to
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: delineate that the quarterback has made that kind of progress.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that drive, John, because I was impressed
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: with what he was able to do setting up that touchdown,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that throw to Evan Ingram to get the touchdown to score.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: What was so special about it, in your mind, was
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: at the time of the game that command that he had.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: What about it?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I was impressed with a couple of things. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: was impressed with the earlier drive as well. The third
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: quarter drive felt like the same thing. Able to stay
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: calm when they needed plays, clearly on this drive. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: give the Packers a bit of benefit of it out
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: You're not expecting to be playing twelve personnel in this situation,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: so the Packers probably were not quite sure where they're
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: going with the ball.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: But Trevor threw to the open.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Guy and he on the plate to Darnis Johnson poise
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: playmaking ability. He seemed to relax and just play football.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It seemed like backyard stuff. I like that because you
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: haven't seen all that from Trevor. Sometimes he's a little mechanical.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: This was him playing football. And I'm gonna tell Evan
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: at some point this week, that's the best catch I've
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: seen since.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Eve been backing Jackson.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: That's a great catch.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Triple coverage. Well, it's too bad is in that moment.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: You play football, and Evan loves playing football. You play
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: football to be in those moments to make those plays
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that should have been remembered as one of the best
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: catches in franchise history.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Just a quick point. No, Christian Kirk, No, Brian Thomas Jr. No,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Travis Etn. Right, I mean the Etn is one of
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the team's biggest playmakers.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: He didn't have any of.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Them on that drive, and he found Bretton strange Dearnest Johnson.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: He was willing to go to whomever was open, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: it was a great drive for him. It's one of
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: the reasons why I came out of this game thinking
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: that he was ready.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: And I've thought for a couple of years I love
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Evan Ingram, I've thought he was a solid tight end.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I did not know if he was in above the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: x's and o's Playmak, because they haven't seen him.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Do you know that was as above a the x's
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: and o's.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you that should have gone up with on
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the rushmore of plays in franchise history. And I'm not
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: trying to exaggerate it. In terms of bigness, it wasn't,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: but in terms of what he did on the play and.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: At timing it was.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I was disappointed for them that they didn't get a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: chance to close that and make that one of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: moments of this You'll.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Remember it, John, I feel like you are always the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: one that says it. He operates best when he can
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: go to whoever's open and find a target, not feel
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: like he's obligated to anybody, and when they run simpler
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: plays like that they're doing the hurry up things like that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Trevor really shines and it's I don't know if there's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a way to do it or earlier in the game.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you just simplify easier said than done.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I am not a coach. Yeah, I just they do.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: They look so good in those moments, and you just think,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: why can not.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Some of it?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Like this, You're in a rhythm now, the game's going.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: You know, you've got some dirt in your eye, so
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to speak, so you're not thinking as much and you're
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: just playing. So I think you sit there some of that,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: but you absolutely it's up to the coaches to look
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: at this and say, okay, well there were four or
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: five drives or two or three. I also thought Brian
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: the drive right before the touchdown drive. It gets kind
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: of lost when they went and get the field goal.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: They had two really good drives against a really good
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: defense when they had to have it. You've got to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: channel some of that and figure out why he's so
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: good in that situation.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Kay, we'll look at the game winner and then just
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the pass that set things up. Obviously frustration for the defense,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you know, for us seeing that and giving up the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: big play has been an issue all a year long,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and again the safety play. I think it has been
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: one of the major concerns Andre Cisco's that he cramped
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: up on that one. Looked like he wasn't necessarily the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: right spot to begin with, and I don't know how
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you fix it at this point. I know you would
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like Andrew Winger come back, hopefully, but it's just been
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: whoever's in the safety spot. It seems like they're having
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: an issue. I don't know if that's a scheme. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: don't know what you can blame that off. The players
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: themselves not making plays, but just frustrating. It feels like
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it's always coming down to that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: On that specific play, that was the old Houston Texans
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: play action where you go one way and then you
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: get a guy coming out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Everybody's running one way with the flow.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: The Texans with Kubiak used to run it all the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: time and it's a devastating play.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: They hadn't run it yet. It tricked him.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Andre said after the game he'd been cramping again with
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: hydration and then as soon as he tried to open
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: up what's gonna happen again, his legs locked I have
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: no reason to doubt that it looked like the play
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: was probably going to work regardless of that, but difficult situation.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: It's uh, as I.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Wrote, safety play has been an issue even beyond that
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: play inconsistent and unreliable.
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• 23:36
  Speaker 7: Doug Trevor leads the eighty seven yard drive to tie
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: the game without the top three receivers going into today.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: What did he kind of show you there on being
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: able to guide the team down obviously down his top
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: three receivers.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: I think, I think, yeah, he did a nice job.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: I give a credit to those those receivers, those tight
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: ends in the offensive line, that was those guys. They
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: made plays for him right now. He made some really
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: good throws and all of that. But those guys that
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: were playing at the end of the game, when you're
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: down your top three receivers and and you know you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: playing in your your twelve personnel for the rest of
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: the game, that's that's tough. But the guys battled their
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: tails off got us back to tying this football game
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: with a chance to you know, potentially win it there late.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: So hats off for those guys.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: TEG Peterson talking. I wanted to play that because I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: saw this question answer on social media a lot. He's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Caroline asking about Trevor's performance in the fourth quarter and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Doug kind of not praising Trevor necessarily kind of talking
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: about the players around him. I think we've talked about
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: what Trevor was able to do on the drive, very impressive.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't really take it that way. I don't know
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: if you guys did, but or if it's just getting
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a little network at this.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Point, had he come out and praised Trevor, he'd have
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: been criticized for praising him at Tree fumbled, So I didn't.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't take it anyway until I started reading other
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: people taking it that way.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: So I didn't feel that one right.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I shall hear it either, So I just I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just wanted to play that out and see what everybody's.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: Thoughts on it were.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do some hot takes here, brought to you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: by Firehouse Subs. Brian, What is your hot take? Because
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I know it is about Truh.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Trevor took a step forward, you know. I know
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: he had the interception, but then he scored ten points
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: and got them within a field goal at the end
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: of the first half, and then in the third quarter
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: he has the fumble and comes back and ties the
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: game with two minutes left to play. I love the
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: emotion after the touchdown. I want to see a little
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: of that from him that I hate to lose. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: hadn't seen enough of it. I think he's too chill,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, too often on the sideline.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: And where the ones are supposed to be chilled. Right, Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: well you are.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: No one's ever called me that. But then the play
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: that I loved the most was the fourth down conversion
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: where he wouldn't be stopped and I hadn't seen that
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: from him. We've been told over and over that's not
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: what he does. We don't like to do this. The
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: quarterback sneak with him. It's just not his thing. He
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: did it with authority, and that was when I thought,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: this is a good game for Trevor despite the mistakes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I get it, he's not gonna be perfect, but he's
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: a young quarterback still. You look at Jordan Love, right,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: he's in his fifth season. He sat on the bench
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: for three years. Trevor didn't have that. We're starting to
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: see some signs from Trevor the last couple of weeks
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: that are really good, really positive. Sadly, there's injuries and
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: the season seems lost, but I like what it's all.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went with such a shame or what a shame,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: sort of playing into Trevor a little bit as well,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: a what a shame the season has turned out this way,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: but specific to yesterday, What a shame that the Evan
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Ingram play that last drive. It should have been something
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: with a season like this, it's not gonna go into
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Jaguars loar. But you're playing without Christian Kirk, without Brian
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Tom I mean out Brian Thomas.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Without Gave Davis or Daniell.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: All this stuff. This was sort of, you know, mythical stuff.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: If you can be mythical three and five, right, So
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it was a shame that they didn't get to close
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: that out because I really thought the comeback, the grit.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You came back twice from ten point deficits, that felt
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: like something to build on. Unfortunately, to me, it feels
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: like we we're talking about during a break. It feels
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: like one of the late rounds of a boxing match.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they can come back from this.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I hope they can, but listen, we have to see
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: some signs of that beaure. That's all we can put
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: our hat on this year. You've got to have something
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that you can go forward with. It's much much more
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: beneficial for this team to have that then to say, well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether we've got our guy. I think
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: yesterday you found out you do.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: I felt like it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: And the way he continues through the season I think
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: will be important to mine is similar similar John that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: said it was a good run, maybe the last stand.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I know, John, we were kind of talking about this
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in the earlier in the show. It's felt like they
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: were going on It felt like they felt this was
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: their last stand as well, and unfortunately they didn't come
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: out with the win. And that kind of is gonna
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: affect the rest of your season because as well as
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you play going forward, you know, we've seen them run
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the table obviously make the playoffs before, but it just
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that feel right now, and it's I would
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: love to be wrong, I hope I am, but we
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that from them. So for me, it's gonna
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: be seeing the character of your team, seeing what you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have here that you want to keep and work with
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: going forward, and seeing what doesn't work, and affecting that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: change in the off season, because clearly the way things
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: are operating right right now is not the way that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: they need to operate if they want to win. So
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: stay with us here. We've got a whole week. We
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: are not giving up on.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: You, guys.
• 28:39
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• 28:40
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• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Uh you saw him cut up.
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: The day too. He was rolling, he was getting going,
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: and it's just just a very unfortunate uh event.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: God.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: You know, God doesn't make mistakes. There's a plan, as
• 29:29
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• 29:31
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• 29:36
  Speaker 1: It's even ingram talking about Christian Kirk, his leadership on
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the team, what he's able to do on the field
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: as well. Looks like he's gonna be out for the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: rest of the season as a broken collarbone via reports. Uh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we'll get that officially confirmed when Doug Peterson talks later today.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But this gives opportunity. Let's look on the positive side
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: here without you know, we have seen several key injuries
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: on offense. Who are you looking at maybe can step
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: up big one.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Well, we talked about Parker Washington being a guy I
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I fact I asked him this week in the locker
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: room for radio interview if his punt return gave him
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: the confidence that he was ready for a bigger role
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: in the offense, and he mentioned the fact that it
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: was tough for them to find room for him with
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Christian Kirk. Well, it just so happens now they're going
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: to need to I think he's ready to step up.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's flashed enough to give you hope.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: He's had over the course of his career four or
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: five plays that have been nice catches, moments, the quickness
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: he talked about Brian. He's a guy that they think
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: can be a good player for him and a productive player,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and it's going to be his time.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on things. We'll hear from Doug
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Peterson later today so we can update on those injuries,
• 30:38
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• 30:40
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