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Speaker 1: that past. Legitimately excited for today's podcasting. By the way,
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Speaker 1: We got more mail Bag episodes down the road. This
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Speaker 1: one I'm excited about because I think you are uniquely
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Speaker 1: qualified to discuss this topic. It's all about how to
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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, why it's so hard to get it right.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna start with an old school cliche. Hardest
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Speaker 1: thing in sports is to hit a baseball. Are you
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Speaker 1: buying that or no? It's very tough to hit a baseball, dude,
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Speaker 1: like it is. But to me, what a quarterback has
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Speaker 1: to do to manipulate a defense, to be able to
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Speaker 1: read a defense, to be able to understand what the
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Speaker 1: offensive game plan is, to understand what the team game
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Speaker 1: plan is. Oh yeah, and you've got other three pound
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Speaker 1: grown men who run a four or five who are
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Speaker 1: trying to come rip your head off. That's tough, Yams,
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Speaker 1: That's really tough. And I had a coach one time, Mike,
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Speaker 1: and give us an example. We told us that we
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Speaker 1: passed around of football, and then we just talked about
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Speaker 1: what the football meant to us. And you start to
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Speaker 1: realize that football is everybody's hopes and dreams and everything
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Speaker 1: in The quarterback touches that damn thing every single play
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Speaker 1: that lets you know how important he is. To the team. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is not for this episode, but that's why to
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Speaker 1: win m v P is so hard if you're not
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I actually think there's a case for some
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Speaker 1: guys that are not quarterbacks this year. You and I
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Speaker 1: have talked about that office that's for another episode. But
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Speaker 1: the argument, obviously playing quarterback being ridiculously hard to do
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Speaker 1: is really significant and in a lot of ways really valid.
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Speaker 1: There's so much information. You got analytics, you've got game film.
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Speaker 1: The hardest thing, though, to do is not maybe playing quarterback,
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Speaker 1: it's actually finding a quarterback and then drafting that person.
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Speaker 1: We just finished up we twelve of the NFL season.
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Speaker 1: There's so much hype and hooplat hype might be the
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Speaker 1: word hooplat is. I don't even know if hooplaws really
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Speaker 1: technic lee a word it is today about what's happening
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Speaker 1: in New York, right, I mean, Zach Wilson gets drafted
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Speaker 1: second overall and instead it's Mike White who goes in.
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Speaker 1: Wilson gets benched. I was listening to the NFL Network
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Speaker 1: insider Mike Arefolo talk about this on one of our shows,
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Speaker 1: and he said, no, man like this idea that Zach
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Speaker 1: Wilson might not be the quarterback anymore. The Jesse's like,
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Speaker 1: draft position matters, and that's why his time New York
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Speaker 1: might not be done at this point. But throwing the
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Speaker 1: football the idea of like boosting your stock, I mean,
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, I think back man, he's zapp b y you.
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Speaker 1: There was this past you know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: There's this video that went viral before the draft. He's
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Speaker 1: rolling out and he's throwing him. Daniel Jeremiah had a
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Speaker 1: tweet and he's like, yo, Sam Donald did the same
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Speaker 1: thing in an actual NFL game. How much, though, do
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Speaker 1: you think moments like that impacted where Zack was taken
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Speaker 1: in the draft? Well, I think Zach Wilson, in his
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Speaker 1: agent and his pre draft team did a marvelous job
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Speaker 1: of a marketing Zach Wilson, of controlling his pro day
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Speaker 1: and making sure that you are situated the things that
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Speaker 1: maybe what's his special power, which is the arm angles
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Speaker 1: in the arm talent. But I remember that viral video
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Speaker 1: and I remember saying, yeah, I mean that's a really
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Speaker 1: good pass. He's kind of rolling to the left and
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Speaker 1: he kind of launched itn't it And he went all
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Speaker 1: the way back to the right. That's a that's a
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Speaker 1: big boy throw. But uh, can he read single safety,
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Speaker 1: middlefield safety open or not? Can he just hit three
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Speaker 1: steps and just hit the regular pass. That's what I
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Speaker 1: was interested in seeing. And at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: when when you see these pro days and you see,
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Speaker 1: you know, especially today's quarterback and how today's Pro days
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Speaker 1: are manipulated by passing gurus and all of those things,
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Speaker 1: they're almost showing the offensive coaches exactly what they want
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Speaker 1: to see as opposed to showing maybe some of the
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Speaker 1: negative aspects of the quarterback that maybe we saw on
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Speaker 1: tape that maybe now that quarterback is better at I
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Speaker 1: also think we gravitate towards the big armed guys, like
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Speaker 1: I think back to Thanksgiving because you can see they
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Speaker 1: can see it exactly. Josh Allen makes a throw towards
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Speaker 1: the end of that game and David carrs working Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: with David Carr, and David's like, watch this throw. It
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Speaker 1: never leaves the screen. And until he said that, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh damn, he's right, Like, you don't see
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Speaker 1: throws like that. I saw this zip pass that's there.
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Speaker 1: But it's really fascinating and you've highlighted a lot of
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Speaker 1: these throws. It's not always about the the you know,
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Speaker 1: the hundred mile an hour fastball, getting back to baseball.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's that touch pass, that intermediate past. Like we've
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Speaker 1: highlighted some of those throws, and not every quarterback can
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Speaker 1: make that throw. And I think to your point, that's
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Speaker 1: really important. It is very important. And you know, yeams,
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Speaker 1: you know, I played a lot of different positions in
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Speaker 1: this game. You know, I blocked at a high level,
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Speaker 1: tackled at a high level on special teams. I've caught
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Speaker 1: the ball at a high level in college. All of
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Speaker 1: those things and all of those different positions that I've played,
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Speaker 1: ex specially the receiver side of things. You notice that
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Speaker 1: there's two parts to a catch. There's the throw and
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Speaker 1: there's the quarterback and all of those things that there's
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Speaker 1: also the catch and understanding how the ball is, when
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Speaker 1: the when the receiver gets it and right. And a
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Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks because when we're young, we're taught, oh,
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Speaker 1: we want to have these big strong arms, so we
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Speaker 1: want to put as much heat on it as we
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Speaker 1: want because again, like you said, that jumps off the tape.
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Speaker 1: That gets us the style points that gets us the
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Speaker 1: cool points when at the end of the day, if
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Speaker 1: that nose is down and the ball is coming too
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Speaker 1: fast six times out of tend, that receiver is probably
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Speaker 1: gonna drop it. And so you had to figure out,
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Speaker 1: I know when I played quarterback, you started had to
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Speaker 1: figure out, how can I make that nose come up?
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Speaker 1: How can I make the ball a little bit more
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Speaker 1: catchable for the wilde receiver? And then then my numbers
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Speaker 1: will go up. I think those are some of the
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Speaker 1: things that in this generation of quarterback and that we're
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Speaker 1: starting to see young quarterbacks start to acentuate a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And you can see it in two A to a
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Speaker 1: tongue of our lore. I mean, look at his timing
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Speaker 1: and anticipation. That is that kid's superpower, and it's his
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Speaker 1: timing and anticipation is at a level that not a
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Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks in this league have. How hard is it?
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Speaker 1: Because this is just part of the evaluation process that
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Speaker 1: I want to get you on, But there's no way
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Speaker 1: for you to tell. Every Sunday we watch games and
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Speaker 1: there's at least one quarterback who makes a throw Guys
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Speaker 1: like I don't know, fifteen feet from him and he's
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Speaker 1: throwing it like he's forty feet from him and I
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Speaker 1: can't get over. I'm like, man, you don't. How can
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Speaker 1: you not evaluate the distance like a golfer who goes
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Speaker 1: out in the golf course, like I'm not taking my
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Speaker 1: driver out when I get to the green right, Like
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Speaker 1: the feel of that stuff like that's hard to measure. Oh,
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Speaker 1: it's very much hard to measure. That's why you have
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Speaker 1: to look at so much tape on these quarterbacks, man,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and look at the types of throws that
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Speaker 1: these guys have had and how they will their teams
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Speaker 1: two wins. Because at the end of the day, all
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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks before they got to the National Football
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Speaker 1: League at the top, you know, topping their game and
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Speaker 1: they all figure out ways to win games exclusively off
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Speaker 1: of the off of their talents and offer their arms.
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Speaker 1: All right, So I want to take everyone and back
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Speaker 1: draft five quarterbacks taken in the first round, including Wilson.
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Speaker 1: Third quarterback taken was Trey Lance out of North Dakota State.
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Speaker 1: I was actually covering the Niners for NFL Network and
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Speaker 1: there was all this conversation around if they were going
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Speaker 1: to go and take Tray and and maybe Mac Jones
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Speaker 1: was in the mix. Justin Fields was also there, but
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Speaker 1: third quarterback was Trey Lance. He basically played one season
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Speaker 1: and coming out of high school he had no Power
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Speaker 1: Five college offers, So the hype meter just continued to
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Speaker 1: build for this guy. Didn't turn over the ball a ton.
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Speaker 1: What he was able to do in the play action
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Speaker 1: past that was something that was really attractive to Kyle
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Speaker 1: Shanahan remember having conversations with him about that. But does
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Speaker 1: the media actually play a role in which players are
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Speaker 1: gaining momentum? Like, take me through this evaluation process, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, Like, I didn't think the Niners
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Speaker 1: I was there. I didn't think they were going to
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Speaker 1: take Trey Lance. Like there was a real mac Jones conversation.
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Speaker 1: There was real Justin Fields conversation, and and yet here
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Speaker 1: it was the smart Dakota State kid that's to do
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Speaker 1: that they went with. It's crazy MS, how the National
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Speaker 1: Football League has changed in such a relatively short time.
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Speaker 1: I came out in the two thousand six draft. You're
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Speaker 1: talking about the quarterbacks in the draft. The big knock
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Speaker 1: on me. I was Big Ten Player of the year.
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Speaker 1: Hasman final was one of the top college players in
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Speaker 1: the country playing quarterback, and the knock on me at
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Speaker 1: the quarterback position was I didn't have enough game reps.
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Speaker 1: That's what they told me. They said, we really don't
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable giving you an opportunity. I heard this from
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Speaker 1: multiple teams because they said, you know, the Matt Lioners,
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Speaker 1: Da Vinci Young's of this draft, they just have five
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Speaker 1: thousand more game reps than you. Fast forward to one
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Speaker 1: and you're talking about Tree Lance. You know, high school year,
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Speaker 1: high school, only one year of college football, didn't play
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Speaker 1: in the Power of Five. But yet he gets drafted
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Speaker 1: third overall. I mean, that's what a way that this
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Speaker 1: game has changed. But when you talk about the media
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Speaker 1: influencing decision makers, look, I don't think it's wrecked in
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Speaker 1: the regard of you know, um, a general manager calling
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Speaker 1: Michael Robinson or Daniel Jeremiah and saying, hey, uh, what
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Speaker 1: do you think about this guy, or you know, just
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Speaker 1: looking at us on television and making their professional opinion
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Speaker 1: based off of that. But I will say this, all
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Speaker 1: decision makers have family and friends jams. All of them do,
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Speaker 1: whether it's they have a young people in their family, wives,
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Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. And those people watch
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Speaker 1: the media. So I will say decision makers can be
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Speaker 1: indirectly influenced by the media, just based off of the
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Speaker 1: conversations they have, by the people closer to them in
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Speaker 1: their circles, right, their family members and things like that,
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Speaker 1: watching people on NFL network like myself giving their opinions,
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Speaker 1: and that's how I can see that a decision maker
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Speaker 1: gets kind of I don't know, um kind of gets
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Speaker 1: influenced in the peripheral of the evaluation process. But I
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Speaker 1: will say that the good people in media, yams, the
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Speaker 1: great people in media talk to real decision makers in
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Speaker 1: the National Football League, and oftentimes if a guy's name
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Speaker 1: is rising up, you know, rising up the ranks and
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Speaker 1: gaining a lot of momentum, it's not by mistake. Oftentimes
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Speaker 1: there's a decision makers somewhere in the National Football League
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Speaker 1: that's telling that media person, oh, yeah, this is the
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Speaker 1: guy that we want to put our hands on, and
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Speaker 1: that's why the name is rising. You know, I respect
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Speaker 1: you a tons So if you're talking and I'm on
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Speaker 1: my phone, I'm not like texting Twitter, right, So I
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Speaker 1: made reference to the fact that I was at that
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Speaker 1: draft and you said something about your starts in college
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Speaker 1: and immediately I thought about a stat that I was
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Speaker 1: using in a lot of my reports. I love technology.
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Speaker 1: I was able to find it. So check this out
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Speaker 1: about Trey Lads seventeen college starts, three hundred and eighteen attempts. Like,
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Speaker 1: think about that. Seventeen college starts is one thing like
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really register. I know it's not a lot,
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Speaker 1: but three eighteen attempts that's crazy. Up until that point,
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Speaker 1: the last ten Super Bowl winning quarterbacks thirty five career
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Speaker 1: starts and over twelve hundred attempts. That's what they did
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Speaker 1: in Edge. So think about the amount of experience that translates,
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Speaker 1: and that this kind of feeds into the draft conversation
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Speaker 1: that we're having right now. Some gms might prioritize, Hey,
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Speaker 1: give me the guy that's thirty five career starts in
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Speaker 1: twelve attempts, and John Lynch and Shanahan said, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm good the guy with seventeen college starts and three
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Speaker 1: and eighteen attempts. I see something in him that I
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Speaker 1: think I can work with. I'm gonna roll with this dude. Well,
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Speaker 1: And I also think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan are
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Speaker 1: just looking at their roster and saying, hey, all right,
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Speaker 1: is this roster good enough to absorb a quarterback that
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Speaker 1: doesn't have that much experience, because we're gonna go to
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Speaker 1: some growing paintre that the difference between those thirty five
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Speaker 1: starts for other Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in the seventeen
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Speaker 1: for tree Lance, I mean, you can't just get the
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Speaker 1: You just can't make that stuff up. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: real experience that he does not have, but you make
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Speaker 1: it up in the roster that you surround him with. Now,
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Speaker 1: the question is still out on whether Tree Lance has
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Speaker 1: enough of ability to elevate this offense. Tom will tell
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Speaker 1: all right, welcome back to the NFL Explained Podcasts. Mike
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Speaker 1: Yam and Rob with you. Okay, so it's really easy
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Speaker 1: to Monday morning quarterback drafts, like we can all do
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Speaker 1: it in the moment. Though generally speaking, the guys that
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Speaker 1: we think really highly of, we want our teams to
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Speaker 1: go and get those kinds. So you kind of gave
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Speaker 1: me a little bit of a glimpse of the evaluation process.
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Speaker 1: I want you to take listen to some of these
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Speaker 1: notable misses by GMS man. I feel bad putting these
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Speaker 1: dudes on blast, but it isn't Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald
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Speaker 1: Day go before Josh Allen criminal criminal. And I know
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Speaker 1: there's a decision maker in the National Football League that
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Speaker 1: listens to this show because we've had some conversations about it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put his name out there, but this
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Speaker 1: dude was all on Baker Mayfield when he was coming on.
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Speaker 1: I remember telling this dude, bro, you are nuts. Something's
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Speaker 1: wrong on with you, and I was right. But I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying, so those are a couple of misses. How
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Speaker 1: about this though, Josh Rosen going twenty two spots ahead
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Speaker 1: of criminal Lamar Jackson. That's not good. Okay, defend that
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Speaker 1: one though, or maybe like it's once again easy to
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Speaker 1: Monday Morning quarterback this thing. But there were concerns about Lamar.
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Speaker 1: I mean people were talking about him not even being
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, but the concerns won't
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Speaker 1: because of Lamar and his ability to concerns were because
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Speaker 1: the National Football League and their coaches were archaic and
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Speaker 1: didn't believe that a guy with this type of ability
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Speaker 1: can lead an office successfully for the long haul. And
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has proven all of that stuff wrong. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it just is, and you look at Josh Rosen. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he reminded me sometimes in his release of Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 1: at times. But you just look at the way the
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Speaker 1: kid came up, and you wondered his passion for the game,
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Speaker 1: and it turned out, I don't know if Josh Rosen
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Speaker 1: loves the game like that? All right. Well, the year
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Speaker 1: before that, the Bears actually traded up to take Mitch
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Speaker 1: Drobiskie eight spots ahead of another m v P. Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna move on from now. John Let's tricked
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Speaker 1: him all that year. I remember saying, dude, you gave
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Speaker 1: up what to go up one spot? Bro? He would
15:19
Speaker 1: have been there just chill. But Blake Bortles, Johnny Football,
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Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel one over guys like Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Speaker 1: That's when the pro days started to become a little
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Speaker 1: bit more theatrical. Remember he had the music, he had
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Speaker 1: the Army fatigue stuff. He about to show the pads on.
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Speaker 1: That's when he started to say, you know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna create this environment to get myself to me. That's
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Speaker 1: when that stuff started happening. Blaine Gabbett, Jake Locker, when
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Speaker 1: ahead of Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Tyrod Taylor. I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Locker wasn't like, I'm not gonna hate
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Speaker 1: on that. No, I can't hate on that, right, I can't.
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Speaker 1: I mean Dalton's longevity and what he's been able to do.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, like that. Fine, he can be
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Speaker 1: in that mix, but Locker or I won't hate on
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Speaker 1: that one. The point is, like we really could go
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Speaker 1: through and by the way, that's just the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years. We can keep going further back and talk
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Speaker 1: about guys and the misses. But there's certain different traits
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Speaker 1: that you can throw out there, right, accuracy, speed, physically
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Speaker 1: talented in terms of the throws that they can make.
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Speaker 1: Insert any sort of draft is m You know my
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Speaker 1: favorite one is when they talk about guys having twitch's
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Speaker 1: out there? Is it? Why is it for some accuracy
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Speaker 1: versus arm strength? That's in favor of one dude, But
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Speaker 1: when you flip it, it might not be it like
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Speaker 1: works against the guy, Like why do you like the
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Speaker 1: consistency at which you evaluate guys? Like it could be
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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks one's really accurately, other's got a big arm.
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Speaker 1: One gm really likes the accurate guy, but then the
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Speaker 1: next year he is like, no, you know what, actually
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Speaker 1: the guy with the strong arm, he's the guy that
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Speaker 1: I want to go like. It feels like sometimes the
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Speaker 1: value traits change from person to person, year to year.
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Speaker 1: To your point, I think you're you're right about that,
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Speaker 1: the value trades do change. I think individual teams situations,
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Speaker 1: uh determine. You know, you know how you want and
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Speaker 1: who you want to draft at that position. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you think some teams believe in just building a dominant
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Speaker 1: roster around the quarterback position, making sure that you know,
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Speaker 1: like my Seahawks did, making sure that quarterbacks on that
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Speaker 1: rookie deal so that from a business standpoint, the business
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Speaker 1: of the football, you can pay those guys around him.
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Speaker 1: So that roster is dominant. So when the quarterback's ability
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Speaker 1: and his experience does meet all that preparation in the
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Speaker 1: roster building, you have a championship team. Do you have
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Speaker 1: other general managers who come across that guy. You get
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Speaker 1: a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes in the draft, and
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Speaker 1: it's just like, you know what, these guys have so
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Speaker 1: much ability that they can literally be the cologne of
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Speaker 1: the deodare from for any bad decision that I make
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Speaker 1: being a general manager, and so you give them all
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Speaker 1: the money they want, and you say, you know what
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Speaker 1: will win because we have one of those guys. There's
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Speaker 1: not a lot of people that can walk around and
18:06
Speaker 1: do that, and a lot of general managers get it wrong.
18:08
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know this may not be the
18:11
Speaker 1: favorite opinion amongst some of our fans, but I think
18:13
Speaker 1: there's no cardinals are in that situation. I think they
18:16
Speaker 1: mismanaged Colin Murray. I think they've given that kid a
18:18
Speaker 1: little bit too much power in that organization. And now
18:21
Speaker 1: they've paid him invalidated his work ethic and all of
18:24
Speaker 1: the bad behavior and all of those things, and they
18:27
Speaker 1: they paid him invalidated him being the leader of that team.
18:30
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it just depends on the individual
18:32
Speaker 1: team situations and the individual general managers situations. By the way,
18:37
Speaker 1: because we were talking a little bit about the amount
18:39
Speaker 1: of starts that guys have, getting back to Trabinsky and Mahomes,
18:43
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes thirty two college starts. Drabinsky had one year
18:47
Speaker 1: of starts, so even a little bit more experience, which
18:49
Speaker 1: makes it you're probably a little more salty about it.
18:52
Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit more salty about it. You
18:54
Speaker 1: know what quarterbacks are making? Are you kidding me? And
18:57
Speaker 1: that goes to me. I think that also muddies the
19:00
Speaker 1: evaluation of my homes. Making half a billy. Billy would
19:03
Speaker 1: have be y'all, hear us, be Lee. I'm talking about
19:06
Speaker 1: a player, not an owner player making half a billy.
19:10
Speaker 1: And again, like that's why I think it's so hard
19:12
Speaker 1: to evaluate these guys, because when you're picking a franchise guy,
19:16
Speaker 1: you know, man, I'm taking twenty five to thirty percent
19:18
Speaker 1: of my salary cap and I'm dumping it on this guy.
19:21
Speaker 1: This is his now only got this amount to build
19:24
Speaker 1: my team around, and so the future of your organization
19:28
Speaker 1: and everything is critical to pick in that position. I mean,
19:30
Speaker 1: just think about jersey sales. I mean sometimes I think
19:33
Speaker 1: teams pick guys just because you know, Johnny Winzel, he's
19:36
Speaker 1: a you know, a guy that's gonna sell jerseys. That's
19:39
Speaker 1: a great business decision. By picking him in the first
19:42
Speaker 1: round may not equate to wins. Okay, so you're talking
19:45
Speaker 1: about business decisions, I'm gonna circle back here and talk
19:48
Speaker 1: about playing decisions that organizations need to make. I think
19:51
Speaker 1: There's another thing that applies not just the quarterbacks, but
19:53
Speaker 1: every single player that has the dreams, the hopes and
19:56
Speaker 1: streams are playing in the NFL. And that's fit where
19:59
Speaker 1: you go making a difference. How much is that a
20:04
Speaker 1: factor in a quarterback excess, because I think even you
20:07
Speaker 1: brought up to a before, I don't. And this is
20:10
Speaker 1: not a knock on coach Flora's I mean, look how
20:13
Speaker 1: hard those dudes played for him. That's all old another
20:15
Speaker 1: situation there. But Mike McDaniel comes in, this offense is rolling,
20:19
Speaker 1: and is it a coach? Is it Tyreek in that offense?
20:22
Speaker 1: Is it ra most like there? This team looks different,
20:25
Speaker 1: The situation looks better for twa. I'd make the same
20:29
Speaker 1: case for every quarterback that's coming out, like I want
20:31
Speaker 1: those dudes, yeah, man. And that's one of those tricky
20:35
Speaker 1: issues when you're a top quarterback coming in from college.
20:39
Speaker 1: The the I don't say bad, but the teams that
20:42
Speaker 1: aren't so good pick first, and so again, it really
20:45
Speaker 1: depends on your situation. And I remember seeing Lamar Jackson
20:49
Speaker 1: and go to the pick thirty two and looks like
20:51
Speaker 1: he's upset, And I remember Prime up there interviewing him
20:54
Speaker 1: and you can see, you know that Lamar was a
20:56
Speaker 1: little ticked off. It's like, man, I'm been winning the
20:58
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but I'm sitting there thinking, Bro, you got
21:01
Speaker 1: drafted to a great situation. I mean, you look at
21:04
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. They have one of the most steady
21:07
Speaker 1: front offices and their player friendly. They understand the business
21:11
Speaker 1: of it and they understand paying their players. You should
21:13
Speaker 1: be happy you got drafted there. Again, some guys don't
21:16
Speaker 1: look at it that way. Some guys look at their
21:17
Speaker 1: position and where they got drafted as respect or disrespect.
21:21
Speaker 1: That was the exact thing that Sean Lynch said about
21:24
Speaker 1: drafting Trey Lance. He said, we're picking third overall, and
21:27
Speaker 1: typically it's teams that don't have rosters that look like
21:30
Speaker 1: our and that roster is clearly thriving right now and
21:34
Speaker 1: it's got the potential to get to a Super Bowl.
21:36
Speaker 1: But Jimmy g at the helm current crop of quarterbacks
21:39
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Check this out. Twenty one A thirty
21:41
Speaker 1: two current starters in the NFL selected in round number one.
21:46
Speaker 1: None were undrafted free agents, which I thought was interesting.
21:49
Speaker 1: Lowest pick. You know, man, it's still to go. It's
21:51
Speaker 1: Tom Brady six round pick. Let's be honest. They got
21:56
Speaker 1: lucky and circumstances forced that to happen, and we wouldn't
22:00
Speaker 1: be talking about Brady and bless and when he got hurt,
22:02
Speaker 1: I was I was flipping through. I don't even know
22:05
Speaker 1: what play form it was on, but there's like a
22:07
Speaker 1: doc on Brady and you know, like I'm only watching
22:10
Speaker 1: the trailer. It's like two minutes and he's talking about
22:12
Speaker 1: a moment super Bowl. You guys made the best decision
22:15
Speaker 1: ever drafted me, you know, the whole thing, and you know,
22:17
Speaker 1: looking back, like if there's different type of swag for
22:19
Speaker 1: that dude, it's a different type of swag. But I'm
22:21
Speaker 1: gonna be be honest and I'm gonna take anything from
22:23
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. All guys who didn't get drafted in the
22:27
Speaker 1: first round who think they should have got drafted higher
22:29
Speaker 1: think that way. He's just not a lot of them
22:31
Speaker 1: are able to stick around long enough to prove people wrong.
22:33
Speaker 1: Is it justin Jefferson who knows every wide receiver taking
22:36
Speaker 1: before him? He should? He should? Does that sound right
22:40
Speaker 1: to you? That sound that I think that is the truth.
22:42
Speaker 1: He shouldn't know everybody, Oh, it's I'm ross St. Brown.
22:45
Speaker 1: That's what it was. By the way, you guys are
22:47
Speaker 1: in the soundproof like behind a glass, so like when
22:49
Speaker 1: you guys just yelling at me, I can't actually hear
22:52
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you're right. It was from hard knocks.
22:54
Speaker 1: That's how I remember. I'm gonna ros St Brown. I
22:56
Speaker 1: don't he rattles off every wide receiver taking in front
22:59
Speaker 1: of him, freaking awesome by but he should. He should
23:04
Speaker 1: know that, and he's a really good receiver. By the way,
23:06
Speaker 1: thanks for the assist, guys, I appreciate that. Um alright.
23:09
Speaker 1: So beyond Tom Brady, six current starters taking number one overall,
23:12
Speaker 1: but their success kind of mediocre. They've compiled an overall
23:16
Speaker 1: record of to nineteen two, forty eight losses and four ties,
23:20
Speaker 1: so it's a forty six percent win percentage. No, I
23:23
Speaker 1: didn't do the mass. Someone did a form teams who
23:25
Speaker 1: have drafted the most first round quarterbacks since nineteen sixty seven,
23:30
Speaker 1: which is the beginning of the common draft era. How
23:32
Speaker 1: about this the Bengals, the Bears, the Browns, the Colts,
23:34
Speaker 1: the Jets, and the Titans, all of whom have taken
23:38
Speaker 1: six and in the case of the Bears and the Browns. Man,
23:41
Speaker 1: I don't even need to tell your fan base. You
23:43
Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. It has not been
23:45
Speaker 1: pretty all right. So all of those teams, m Rob
23:48
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the Bengals, Bears, Browns, Cults, Jets,
23:50
Speaker 1: and Titans put together a combined winning percentage of forty
23:54
Speaker 1: seven percent. And it's only the Cults boasting a record
23:57
Speaker 1: over five hundred during that spam. And that's basically for
24:01
Speaker 1: two reasons. Really, it's Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Well, yeah,
24:05
Speaker 1: and there's a generational talents. I mean, Hill paid Manning
24:09
Speaker 1: pretty much invented a style of offense that still being
24:12
Speaker 1: ran the day. I mean, you just can't. And I
24:15
Speaker 1: think the Bengals, I think they're done looking for their quarterbacks. Well,
24:19
Speaker 1: I think they're good, but uh, the Jets, they could
24:22
Speaker 1: probably still be looking. I'm not so sure about Zack Wilson.
24:25
Speaker 1: All Right, So I just gave you some of the numbers.
24:27
Speaker 1: First round, guys, that doesn't equal success, are we? I
24:31
Speaker 1: say we like I actually have the gig our teams
24:34
Speaker 1: spending too much draft capital to go and get what
24:38
Speaker 1: they think is a franchise quarterback and round number one.
24:41
Speaker 1: I believe so, because again you gotta understand who I am.
24:44
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in building the roster. The quarterback
24:47
Speaker 1: is a football player, He's one of the guys just
24:49
Speaker 1: like everybody else, and you build the roster around him,
24:52
Speaker 1: which can almost guarantee the success of that position, and
24:56
Speaker 1: then you don't necessarily always have to pay that guy
24:58
Speaker 1: thirty five of your salary cap. But yes, I do
25:02
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of paralysis about analysis. I
25:05
Speaker 1: do think that we overthink it. I do think that
25:07
Speaker 1: they give up too much draft capital sometimes. But at
25:10
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you look at the
25:13
Speaker 1: teams who have one of those guys walking around, I mean,
25:16
Speaker 1: they're the ultimate the old Evan. They cover up for
25:19
Speaker 1: for bad decisions or bad front office decisions, they cover
25:22
Speaker 1: up for injuries that happened during the season, and general
25:25
Speaker 1: managers again, they cover up from bad decisions from a
25:28
Speaker 1: scouting department. Well and and even speaking of some of
25:30
Speaker 1: this capital, sometimes it does work out right. I mean
25:34
Speaker 1: the Rams is an example of that. I mean, they
25:35
Speaker 1: don't have draft picks like god, I mean we're kind
25:37
Speaker 1: of joking. I think they had one picking this last draft.
25:40
Speaker 1: So again. You you sacrifice your future just to get
25:45
Speaker 1: this one super Bowl last year. Now you're last in
25:48
Speaker 1: the division, your thirties in our power rankings. Did you
25:51
Speaker 1: just all want to do it all for one year?
25:53
Speaker 1: Or do you want to build something that's gonna be
25:56
Speaker 1: around and build a legacy that's gonna be around for
25:58
Speaker 1: a long time. I don't know. To me. You build
26:00
Speaker 1: a team for the long haul and successful just happened.
26:03
Speaker 1: You don't build it for one year. It's been a
26:05
Speaker 1: long haul the like two or three years. Let's be
26:08
Speaker 1: fair here, right, Like Aaron Donald bang up, Stafford banged
26:10
Speaker 1: up this year, Cooper Cup banged up this year, Allen
26:13
Speaker 1: Robinson banged up this year. Like no one saw this coming.
26:17
Speaker 1: Like if they didn't get back to a super Bowl,
26:18
Speaker 1: be like all right, cool, Like I get it, that happens,
26:21
Speaker 1: Like well done, you got the you got the chip
26:22
Speaker 1: last year. But to see it unfold like this, like
26:26
Speaker 1: they were supposed to have at least some legs here,
26:28
Speaker 1: they were supposed to three year run some legs. But
26:31
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, most Super Bowl teams,
26:34
Speaker 1: you're lucky because the health fell in your favorite no doubt,
26:38
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If you're gonna if you're
26:40
Speaker 1: a guessing man, which a lot of these different managers are,
26:42
Speaker 1: you kind of gotta be when you're guessing your future, right,
26:45
Speaker 1: you gotta anticipate injuries happening. You gotta anticipate you're gonna
26:49
Speaker 1: need some of those draft picks. All right, So we're
26:51
Speaker 1: talking about draft cafall here. Just to put a bow
26:53
Speaker 1: on this conversation, as you would imagine, quarterback selected number
26:57
Speaker 1: one overall more than twice as any other position, the
27:00
Speaker 1: second most drafted spot. This shouldn't be too much of
27:03
Speaker 1: a surprise considering what we've told John some of our
27:06
Speaker 1: previous shows. But defensive ban so since nineteen sixty seven
27:10
Speaker 1: quarterbacks number one overall, thirteen d n s, seven running backs,
27:15
Speaker 1: four offensive tackles, two wide receivers to defensive tackles and
27:19
Speaker 1: two linebackers, have thought it would be bit more tackles
27:21
Speaker 1: being first overall again. And I understand everything is about
27:24
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. So the quarterback, then the guy rushed in.
27:26
Speaker 1: The quarterback makes a lot of money, so you know
27:28
Speaker 1: you want to you want that guy, But the guy
27:30
Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback means a lot as well. And just
27:33
Speaker 1: because we spent some time talking about twenty eight team.
27:35
Speaker 1: Check this out, a little bit of a microcosmhouse Selecting
27:37
Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback can set a franchise back Baker Mayfield
27:41
Speaker 1: number one to the Browns, Donald number two to the Jets.
27:44
Speaker 1: Arizona took Josh Rosen. Rosen doesn't make it into year
27:47
Speaker 1: two as a start in their combined records of the
27:49
Speaker 1: Jets and the Browns in the three years subsequent years
27:53
Speaker 1: thirty seven and fifty eight and one. That's terrible. That hurts, Yes,
27:58
Speaker 1: it does in a big way. All right, So a
28:01
Speaker 1: little bit more on this quarterback draft strategy here when
28:05
Speaker 1: we come back here on the NFL explained, we're gonna
28:07
Speaker 1: see if it's easier or harder to evaluate quarterbacks in
28:10
Speaker 1: this era. Like think about this man, Like all the
28:13
Speaker 1: data that is available to everyone in the front office,
28:16
Speaker 1: all the film, every angle. I mean, hell, you can
28:19
Speaker 1: spin around. We do this on NFL network all time,
28:21
Speaker 1: like cameras that spin around on the whole thing, and
28:23
Speaker 1: we might work out just a little bit um. An
28:26
Speaker 1: interesting conclusion to from an economist or two economists who
28:31
Speaker 1: tried to quantify how difficult it is to draft a
28:35
Speaker 1: quarterback and their findings are really significant. We'll tell you
28:39
Speaker 1: what those are coming up next on the NFL Explained Pod.
28:48
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the NFL Explained Podcast. If
28:51
Speaker 1: you have a question, it's like our normal p s A.
28:53
Speaker 1: Do you just DM me. I promise we will get
28:56
Speaker 1: to as many questions by the end of the season
28:58
Speaker 1: as we can. If you did send one, I look,
29:00
Speaker 1: I hit everyone back and you guys know this. So
29:02
Speaker 1: if you got a question, if we haven't gotten to it,
29:04
Speaker 1: trust me, we will. But we're talking about quarterbacks here
29:08
Speaker 1: and the draft. Uh, the difficulty of finding the quarterback
29:12
Speaker 1: that can lead your franchise. Is it easier now and
29:15
Speaker 1: rob or harder to evaluate guys that play this position
29:20
Speaker 1: compared to I don't know, years ago. I think it's
29:22
Speaker 1: harder even with all of the information that we have. Yeah,
29:26
Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's too much informations, you know. Sometimes,
29:30
Speaker 1: you know, I hear a lot of people in our business,
29:33
Speaker 1: you know, evaluate quarterbacks and things like that, and I
29:36
Speaker 1: don't even hear them talk about just does this guy win?
29:40
Speaker 1: Does wins follow this person? I mean, to me, that's
29:43
Speaker 1: one of the most overlooked genes, just the win gene.
29:46
Speaker 1: You look at some of these guys. And yes, they
29:48
Speaker 1: can throw the ball through a brick wall, they can
29:50
Speaker 1: throw the ball a hundred yards, but every level they've
29:53
Speaker 1: been on, they've lost. And to me, that says something
29:55
Speaker 1: about just you know who the guy is, the pr
29:58
Speaker 1: of the guy right within the team? Can he operate
30:01
Speaker 1: with every group of the team. To me, that goes
30:02
Speaker 1: a long way, and it shows whether or not the
30:04
Speaker 1: team is gonna fight for a guy. Right Like when
30:06
Speaker 1: we talked about the Jets a little bit earlier. You
30:09
Speaker 1: look at the Jets and Mike White versus Zack Wilson.
30:11
Speaker 1: You look at when Zach Wilson has success in the
30:13
Speaker 1: team's reaction and look at Mike White's when he has
30:16
Speaker 1: success in the team reaction. It tells you all you
30:19
Speaker 1: need to know about the leadership of those two guys.
30:22
Speaker 1: I just think sometimes when we're evaluating quarterbacks, we look
30:25
Speaker 1: at all of this hard dat. Oh he did for
30:27
Speaker 1: this many yards, he had this many starts, Uh, he
30:29
Speaker 1: want this, this and the third? Did he win games?
30:33
Speaker 1: First and foremost? Did he win in high school? College? All?
30:36
Speaker 1: If he wanted all those levels? You know what, it's
30:38
Speaker 1: a pretty good chance wherever this kid goes he's gonna
30:40
Speaker 1: win in the National Football League as well. I'm always
30:42
Speaker 1: amazed by talent evaluators because here's what I'll say. I
30:45
Speaker 1: almost think it's easier on the NFL side to evaluate
30:49
Speaker 1: for the draft than it is to be on the
30:51
Speaker 1: college side. And hear me out here. Years I spent
30:54
Speaker 1: my career covering college athletics and we would do like
30:57
Speaker 1: the signing day shows they throw off the film and
31:00
Speaker 1: be like a four star dude or a five star guy,
31:03
Speaker 1: and it's a guy that's like crushing the dude size,
31:06
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, like, yeah, that guy is
31:08
Speaker 1: gonna look good on tape. Like look at the competition,
31:10
Speaker 1: Like the level is just different, whereas if you get
31:13
Speaker 1: to and this is why the Trey Lance thing right,
31:15
Speaker 1: like FCS versus FBS, Power five, the whole thing. Like
31:18
Speaker 1: that's why that was fascinating to me, because the level
31:21
Speaker 1: of competition is just different. And clearly you don't need
31:24
Speaker 1: to be in a Power five school to thrive in
31:26
Speaker 1: the NFL. There's so many examples of that. But I
31:30
Speaker 1: almost feel like with with everything that's out there, when
31:32
Speaker 1: you the competition is more steady, I don't know if
31:35
Speaker 1: that makes sense. It does make sense. I would agree
31:37
Speaker 1: with you that the competition is a little bit more steady.
31:39
Speaker 1: And what makes things difficult to evaluate on the college
31:42
Speaker 1: side of things is a lot of these college evaluators
31:45
Speaker 1: they just don't have the time to see all of
31:48
Speaker 1: the different athletes out here, so they go to these
31:50
Speaker 1: sites and rely on their rankings to see how to
31:55
Speaker 1: look at any of You end up finding out those
31:56
Speaker 1: rankings are a lot of times pay for and so
31:59
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's what makes it difficult from Italian standpoint,
32:02
Speaker 1: in college or the guy's signs with the team and
32:04
Speaker 1: he goes from a two star to be four five
32:06
Speaker 1: start just based off of the university to Alabama and yeah, no,
32:11
Speaker 1: there's no question. What about like schematically right, like Jalen
32:14
Speaker 1: Hurts trail Aance comes to mind, We'll throw Lamar's name
32:17
Speaker 1: into the mix. The college game has looked different at
32:22
Speaker 1: times in the NFL game, where now the NFL game
32:24
Speaker 1: is almost catching up to the other levels. How do
32:27
Speaker 1: you think that affects that evaluation? Well, first of all, um,
32:31
Speaker 1: you know one thousand percent spot on with that. The
32:33
Speaker 1: National Football League is now just starting to catch up
32:37
Speaker 1: with college. Uh. To me, all the innovation, all the
32:41
Speaker 1: great plays and great play calls happened in college first.
32:44
Speaker 1: Then the National Football League coach just look at it
32:46
Speaker 1: and they say, oh, we can you know, we should
32:48
Speaker 1: be doing that. I think the spread offense, the read option,
32:51
Speaker 1: our peoples, all of those things, they aren't foreign concepts
32:54
Speaker 1: to the National Football League, but it was legitimized in
32:58
Speaker 1: when the Philadelphia Eagles, with the way that they did
33:01
Speaker 1: their offense. It legitimized it because that style won a
33:05
Speaker 1: Super And so to me, now a lot of teams
33:09
Speaker 1: are looking for these dynamic types of quarterbacks, and to me,
33:11
Speaker 1: is malpractice for you to put a guy like Lamar
33:14
Speaker 1: Jackson or Jalen Hurts to put him in a system
33:17
Speaker 1: where he's throwing the ball fifty times a game. To me,
33:20
Speaker 1: that's stupid. I mean, it really is like like a
33:23
Speaker 1: fifty yard explosive play. It doesn't matter without ran fifty
33:27
Speaker 1: yards through the ball five yards, you ran forty five,
33:29
Speaker 1: or throw the ball fifty yards, it's still a fifty
33:31
Speaker 1: yard explosive play. And I think that's what now offenses
33:35
Speaker 1: in the National Football League are starting to kind of understand,
33:38
Speaker 1: like man, like the guy who touches the ball every
33:41
Speaker 1: single play. Probably should be my most dynamic player. Uh
33:45
Speaker 1: So you can see the athletic ability, you can see
33:48
Speaker 1: what these guys have in terms of arm talent. Sometimes
33:51
Speaker 1: you don't know what's in between the ears the giants.
33:54
Speaker 1: I love this story. They used to give two hundred
33:56
Speaker 1: page psychological exams to different players. One of those guys
34:01
Speaker 1: was Dion Sanders, who actually walked away in your experience.
34:04
Speaker 1: How should do some of those intangibles? Like, how do
34:08
Speaker 1: you how do you figure out like the mental makeup
34:11
Speaker 1: of a guy that's gonna be the face of your franchise. Well, again,
34:15
Speaker 1: you kind of gotta look at him on every level.
34:17
Speaker 1: Does wins follow him? Does you know, good energy follow
34:21
Speaker 1: him or that's negative energy? Does bad situations follow the kid? Um?
34:25
Speaker 1: When when I look at some of the intangibles, when
34:27
Speaker 1: I'm looking at quarterbacks, first and foremost, the ability for
34:30
Speaker 1: that kid to communicate right, And I think that's why
34:34
Speaker 1: going to pro days are so critical for some talent evaluators.
34:38
Speaker 1: I want to see a kid in his environment. I
34:41
Speaker 1: want to see him comfortable. I want to see him
34:43
Speaker 1: around his guys. He's been throwing two for two, three
34:46
Speaker 1: or four or five years or whatever the case may be.
34:48
Speaker 1: And I just want to see him let it go
34:50
Speaker 1: and let it. I want to see him light up
34:52
Speaker 1: a room. Uh. People talked about Baker Mayfield having that
34:55
Speaker 1: ability that whenever room he walked into when he was,
34:58
Speaker 1: you know, going through the draft process, that the other
35:00
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would kind of shrink and his personality would show up,
35:04
Speaker 1: and it gave him a egg up. It gave him
35:06
Speaker 1: an advantage. And to me, that is a very important
35:08
Speaker 1: intangible that you gotta have. I had a young I
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Speaker 1: had a football coach, and I was eight years nine
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Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, maybe in ten years old, nine years old.
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Speaker 1: I think, tell me, like, dude, like your ability to
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Speaker 1: communicate it is crazy. You gotta watch what you watch
35:23
Speaker 1: on TV, the music you're listening to, the books you read.
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Speaker 1: Because your gift is when you speak, people listen. So
35:29
Speaker 1: you gotta be responsible about what you let in your hands.
35:31
Speaker 1: So I knew. I knew that earlier on in my life.
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Speaker 1: Another intangible, it's work ethic. Does this person like a
35:38
Speaker 1: Tom Brady have the ability to be a force multiplier?
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Speaker 1: Can this guy, just by his presence and his work
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Speaker 1: ethic elevate everybody else around him? And then finally, for me,
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Speaker 1: I think it's the most important authentic leadership leading in
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Speaker 1: your way they see, leadership isn't a book that you
35:56
Speaker 1: read and say, you know what, that's what I gotta
35:58
Speaker 1: do to be a leader. I'm gonna go do that tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: And I've been around guys like that where the leadership
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Speaker 1: and the things that they say you like, man, you're
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Speaker 1: not real. You know, you speak into the team, but
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Speaker 1: you're really not real. Good quarterback and a great quality
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Speaker 1: of a quarterback is having that genuine authentic leadership. I know,
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Speaker 1: for me, I was a guy that when I played quarterback,
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Speaker 1: I love to respond to adversity. So I would create
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Speaker 1: our seven on sevens so that it was nothing but
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Speaker 1: a roast session. Really. I mean we would throw the
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Speaker 1: football or whatever, but I was cracking on the linebackers
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Speaker 1: and defensive backs. They were throwing jokes at me, and
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Speaker 1: it turned into this thing. Everybody loved to come to
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Speaker 1: seven on seven, even the defensive lineman because it turned
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Speaker 1: into a great road session while all that adversity and
36:42
Speaker 1: going back at each other and all of those things
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Speaker 1: brought the team together. That was my version of authentic leadership.
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Speaker 1: My way keep you a quiet leader. Yeah you can.
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Speaker 1: I mean you can, but again, if your ability to
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Speaker 1: in human situations communicate with a person. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: you gotta be the guy to speak to the entire team,
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Speaker 1: but if if a guy runs a wrong route, you
37:03
Speaker 1: have to be able to go over there and tell them,
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Speaker 1: and he has to be able to respect to a
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Speaker 1: pare and to me, that comes with Again, authentic leadership
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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to beat aloud as, but authentic definitely.
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Speaker 1: All right, So, speaking of some of these intangibles, got
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Speaker 1: a couple of economists, David Berry and Rob Simmons. They
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Speaker 1: try to figure out how you could nail down the
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Speaker 1: process of selecting a quarterback in the NFL draft. Two
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Speaker 1: thousand nine, they published a paper went over decades of
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Speaker 1: data drafted NFL quarterbacks. Here's what the conclusion was. On
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Speaker 1: a per play basis, quarterbacks chosen with picks eleven through fifty,
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Speaker 1: as well as picks fifty one through nine outperform quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: chosen in the top ten or comparing two quarterbacks with
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Speaker 1: the same NFL experience, the players selected early in the
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Speaker 1: draft is not predicted to have significantly different NFL performance
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Speaker 1: levels than a player pick later in the draft. They did, however,
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Speaker 1: find that the top picks are given more time to succeed.
38:02
Speaker 1: I go back to Zack Wilson here. I brought up
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Speaker 1: what Mike Gara Folo was telling. Mean, hey, draft positioning matters,
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Speaker 1: second overall pick. What do you make of what the
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Speaker 1: economists came up with. It's some interesting information. I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on that. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of football players dreams are to be drafted
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Speaker 1: top ten like a draft. Like you're an eight year
38:25
Speaker 1: old little boy. You fall asleep and you dream of
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Speaker 1: hearing your name called and you're the first pick of
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Speaker 1: the draft. And so I think sometimes when you're a
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Speaker 1: top ten pick, it's almost like, these guys take a breath.
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Speaker 1: I achieved it, you know what I'm saying, As opposed
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Speaker 1: to some of the other picks, whether it's later on
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Speaker 1: in the first round or later on in the draft
38:46
Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a natural chip on your shoulder to
38:51
Speaker 1: kind of response because you didn't all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: meet the goal. And I think there's a subconscious something
38:58
Speaker 1: there with that fact that when when you're looking at
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Speaker 1: the way, you know the numbers that the economists got
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Speaker 1: I do think it's something there, But I do think
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Speaker 1: general managers are scared to put a plug on some
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Speaker 1: of their draft picks because if you do it, it's
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Speaker 1: indicative that you messed up on you, flection on you,
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Speaker 1: and oftentimes with with the Eagle and some of these
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Speaker 1: general managers, they don't want to admit that they messed
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Speaker 1: up and had a bad pick. That's why I got
39:23
Speaker 1: so much respect for people like Bill Belichick, the Bill
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Speaker 1: polian Is from back in the day with the Colts
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Speaker 1: and guys like that, the Ozzy Newsom's. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: not afraid to say, you know what, I thought this
39:33
Speaker 1: dude was good, but I was wrong, and now I'm
39:36
Speaker 1: gonna let this guy go and see if he can
39:39
Speaker 1: find employment somewhere. Is they're just not afraid to admit
39:41
Speaker 1: that they messed up. To me, that acknowledgement, that humbleness
39:45
Speaker 1: that they come from makes them great. Well, one thing
39:47
Speaker 1: that everyone focuses in on you don't even have to
39:49
Speaker 1: be a quarterback. You just gotta be a professional athlete.
39:51
Speaker 1: You know where I'm going with this, right, It's like,
39:53
Speaker 1: did he used to say man or maybe he was
39:54
Speaker 1: puffy at the time, all about the Benjamin all about
39:56
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, he's probably at that point, all right.
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Speaker 1: So in the in the previous collective bargain agreement, top
40:04
Speaker 1: ricky quarterbacks, you guys got, I was like Matt Ryan,
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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, they're making seventy plus million on
40:10
Speaker 1: their first contract. Remember Bradford, that happening to him. Lord,
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Speaker 1: he might have been even the last guy to take advantage.
40:15
Speaker 1: But most rookies right now are making considerably loud and
40:18
Speaker 1: a little insight on that. I don't mean interrupted, but
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Speaker 1: inside on that. When I first got in the league,
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Speaker 1: Geane Upshaw, who he was our leader of the union
40:24
Speaker 1: at the time, he said, guys, we want these first
40:28
Speaker 1: round quarterbacks to get this money like this. We wanted
40:30
Speaker 1: to be big, and as veterans they're like why. And
40:34
Speaker 1: his whole thing was a guaranteed longevity of the player.
40:38
Speaker 1: If the player wasn't paying out, he would have to
40:40
Speaker 1: renegotiate towards the back end of his deal because the
40:43
Speaker 1: team wasn't gonna pay him that money, and so it
40:45
Speaker 1: added years to his career. But the way it is now,
40:48
Speaker 1: you see teams just cut the guy he could possibly
40:51
Speaker 1: be out the league. Well, That's where I was going
40:52
Speaker 1: with it, Like I almost isn't that kind of like
40:55
Speaker 1: not to sound like Darwin, but like, isn't that kind
40:57
Speaker 1: of a good thing? Like, Yo, you can play, you
40:59
Speaker 1: could still be out there, you could it is man
41:02
Speaker 1: and and again that's why he wanted it structured that
41:05
Speaker 1: way and again every but I like, oh, guarantee you
41:07
Speaker 1: why they make us so much money all of those things.
41:09
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a backstory behind that
41:11
Speaker 1: and why they wanted those rookie contracts front loaded that way. Okay,
41:14
Speaker 1: So I like where you're going with that. How about this,
41:17
Speaker 1: because we've spent a lot of time having you take
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Speaker 1: me through the evaluation process, things that you really value.
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three draft I would go to because I
41:27
Speaker 1: already know who's gonna be the first overall pick. But
41:30
Speaker 1: is there a quarterback that you think should be deserving
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Speaker 1: of being the first off the board? Uh? Yeah, who's
41:37
Speaker 1: the the Ohuse State kid. You know, I'm a pin Stater.
41:42
Speaker 1: It pains me to say this, but that kid, I've
41:45
Speaker 1: seen a big jump from last year to this year.
41:48
Speaker 1: He's willing his team to wins. He can run, he
41:50
Speaker 1: can protect the footbably can make every throw on the
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Speaker 1: football field. To me, that's my number one quarterback. Okay,
41:56
Speaker 1: so I said, I'll tell you this. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I've seen a I don't want to say more
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Speaker 1: talented because that's not fair, but a better pro prospect
42:04
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks the Caleb blames oh Man and he's
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Speaker 1: not even knowledgeable yet. I know, yeah, Bro, I could
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Speaker 1: make a case for him when it has been this year. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to happen. Always appreciate you guys
42:22
Speaker 1: checking us out, and I know I always throw this
42:24
Speaker 1: out there. He got a question, don't know who to ask.
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Speaker 1: It's me and m Rob. Shoot me a d M.
42:29
Speaker 1: We'll make it into a podcast. But why is it
42:31
Speaker 1: so hard to draft the right quarterback? Hopefully we gave
42:34
Speaker 1: you those answers. Always appreciate you guys listening to the
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