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#2542 - Steve Hilton · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Jo Robin podcast check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Willgan Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogin podcast by name all day, Come on, and what's
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: Where people who don't know? You and I have been
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  Speaker 2: friends for god more than ten years?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: How many years has been? I think it's fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the year we got here, which is fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we met and why on the beach with our kids?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So what's your memory? I was just thinking about
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  Speaker 1: that because I have a very particular memory of that.
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  Speaker 2: My memory was that my children and your children were
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  Speaker 2: playing on the beach exactly. That's how we met. It
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  Speaker 2: was just they were like digging in sand, they were
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  Speaker 2: real little, they were the same age, and then we
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  Speaker 2: just said hi.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I remember, okay, I've had a slightly different okay,
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  Speaker 1: which is like, that's exactly right about the kids. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: two girls for you, two boys for me, and your
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  Speaker 1: wife was there first before?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I think I they and I just remember just like remember,
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  Speaker 1: I've just moved from England and it's a whole different
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  Speaker 1: world and a different culture, and I just remember you
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  Speaker 1: walking down the beach and I remember I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: anyone like this before, just like the it was just
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  Speaker 1: an amazing cultural moment, and then.
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  Speaker 2: You'd never seen it, just like, no, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: The way you were, you know, you're you know, just
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  Speaker 1: the way I remember thinking, who's this guy? I remember
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  Speaker 1: I'd never heard of you, And then I was explaining
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  Speaker 1: to people, I'd oh, Joe Rogan. You met Joe Rogan.
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  Speaker 1: It was just an amazing thing. And then the other
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  Speaker 1: thing that makes me laugh doing this is that we
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  Speaker 1: then did the podcast at some point around then, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is before you had any aspirations running for governor or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly one time moved it. I was teaching at Stanford,
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  Speaker 1: just having a very normal, kind of low key life,
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  Speaker 1: and I really remember doing the podcast not knowing what
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  Speaker 1: a podcast was. I literally didn't know. So we came
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  Speaker 1: in and I, again my experience was I'd been in England,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'd worked in business, run a restaurant or
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  Speaker 1: to that kind of thing, but most recently I've been
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  Speaker 1: in politics and government, and so i'd in the media.
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  Speaker 1: I was aware of all of that, and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was completely naive, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what a podcast was, and I literally thought it
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  Speaker 1: was like a radio show or something. I remember coming
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  Speaker 1: in this is back in La and we sat down
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  Speaker 1: and we were chatting for a few minutes, and I
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  Speaker 1: literally was thinking, when's the next guest coming? This seems
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  Speaker 1: to be going on a really long time. And it's
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  Speaker 1: like ten minutes and then fifteen. Wow, this is a
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  Speaker 1: long time. No, normally you get like ten to fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minutes maximum, right, half an hour?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: An hour? Three hours? I couldn't believe it. Well, back then,
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  Speaker 1: I really didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: No one knew what a podcast was, right, So what
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  Speaker 2: year was it that Steve was on.
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  Speaker 3: Episode five o nine twenty hours June July third of twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Fourteen, twenty fourteen, Yeah, whoa, okay, twenty fourteen episode what
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  Speaker 2: on five o nine? We're already five o nine? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: five oh nine. So we've had two thousand podcasts since then.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible, And.
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  Speaker 2: Wow the other years that's twelve years ago. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. The other thing just remembering, you know, I'd
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  Speaker 1: never really done anything public. I was like a behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes guy in politics and government, and I'd just
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  Speaker 1: come out of that, and I was very kind of
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  Speaker 1: cautious about everything, and you were just talking like you do,
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  Speaker 1: which again I didn't really know, and you it was
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking, God, this is like about sex and
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  Speaker 1: you were cursed and like, wow, what is this like?
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  Speaker 1: This is so different to anything I've ever encountered before.
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  Speaker 1: But there we are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody was listening. Back then, it was nice. You
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  Speaker 2: could get away with so much more, you could just
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  Speaker 2: talk and not worry about it. And also social media,
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  Speaker 2: it was just change.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you worry about it when you're well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't pay attention. That's the key, It's the key
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  Speaker 2: to my success.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is like, don't listen to anybody, what anybody has
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  Speaker 2: to say about you. Just keep moving, keep moving, and
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  Speaker 2: don't pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's obviously works well.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people out there that
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  Speaker 2: are crippled by other people's opinions. I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: genuine benefit to having a bunch of other people's opinions
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  Speaker 2: of you and you get to see feedback. But there's
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  Speaker 2: just way too many bad faith actors on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: There's way too many people that have the least charitable
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  Speaker 2: takes on every buddy, the worst, the worst, like public narration,
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  Speaker 2: like public narratives that they want to promote about anyone
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  Speaker 2: or anything about any subject. There's far too many people
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  Speaker 2: like that, and it's a poisoned well. Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 2: if you went to a restaurant and you knew that
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  Speaker 2: twenty percent of their food would literally fucking kill you,
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  Speaker 2: would you ever eat there?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: Well that's like Twitter. Yeah, twenty percent of the people
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  Speaker 2: there are fucking poisonous. They're like a chorus.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so funny because I've just you know, been
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  Speaker 1: to When we met, I was just you know, like
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  Speaker 1: kind of a regular cit isn't it teaching it stamp
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. Then I started a business. Then I got
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  Speaker 1: more public. I went to Fox, hosted a show there.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm a candidate, and as that's happened, you get
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  Speaker 1: more prominent. And so you look at these comments and
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  Speaker 1: I never know whether to look. But the thing that
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  Speaker 1: I really just makes me laugh. Now, well, it's like
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  Speaker 1: I'm always tempted to do it and I never do it,
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  Speaker 1: like the really idiotic just pure abuse, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like I do. I put something out there and now
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more of this on account. It is like,
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  Speaker 1: go back to England, you fucking caun't where you bowl whatever,
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  Speaker 1: And like I always I always want to write good
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  Speaker 1: point because it's just so tempting, and I never have.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I should.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of because it just set there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of sad, angry people out there that are
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  Speaker 2: just lashing out, and unfortunately those are overly represented online
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  Speaker 2: because those are the type of people that have the
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  Speaker 2: time to make comments. But then you also have to
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  Speaker 2: take into consideration whenever you're involved in anything political, as
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  Speaker 2: you obviously are because you're running for governor of California,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of the people that are engaging with
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  Speaker 2: your content that are not real people.
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  Speaker 1: They are even actual boss. Okay, that part I never
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  Speaker 1: have in my mind. That don't No, I should I
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  Speaker 1: it's a good point. Keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a tremendous amount. It's not a small amount.
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  Speaker 2: It's a huge amount. There's nothing you do about it. It
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  Speaker 2: was twenty contention when he was buying Twitter. So when
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  Speaker 2: he was buying Twitter, Twitter was alleging that there was
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  Speaker 2: only five percent five percent of Twitter with bots. But
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  Speaker 2: see if you find that article again, there's a former
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  Speaker 2: FBI got work did something with digital intelligence and he
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  Speaker 2: did a forensic analysis of Twitter, and he said it's
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  Speaker 2: probably eighty percent eighty eighty eight zero. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of bots yelling at you and buy bots. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: some of them, I think now. And this is at
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  Speaker 2: the time, So this is twenty twenty two. When did
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  Speaker 2: he buy Twitter? Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Four, I think older than it.
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  Speaker 2: Was twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was like somewhere on twenty three, twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So back then AI was not as
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  Speaker 2: much of an issue, right like AIS, he could automate
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  Speaker 2: anything now. So the claim that eighty percent of Twitter
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  Speaker 2: originates for a twenty twenty two assessment by cybersecurity expert
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  Speaker 2: Dan Woods. While official company filings have historical excuse me
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  Speaker 2: historically claim fake accounts represent under five percent, independent estimates
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  Speaker 2: and security specialists suggests real figures are higher those An
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  Speaker 2: exact eighty percent total remains heavily debated. It's very debated.
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  Speaker 2: But if you read the article he goes over, it's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's very meticulous. Like the way he's describing it's not
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  Speaker 2: like he's pulling it out of his ass. He's he
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  Speaker 2: did it. So what they did, what Twitter did to
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  Speaker 2: come up with five percent, was they just grabbed a
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  Speaker 2: random one hundred tweets. But also they're trying to sell
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  Speaker 2: it for fucking billions of dollars. What was like forty billion? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: something crazy, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Forty billion dollars?
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  Speaker 1: Fuck?
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  Speaker 2: An insane amount of money for this what is now
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  Speaker 2: just chaos, you know, it's funny. So there's that, And
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  Speaker 2: so this guy's saying eighty percent. So again, this is
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago, so you're dealing with actual humans
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  Speaker 2: who are doing it. So you have these state sponsored
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  Speaker 2: groups that are there's these bot farms, and with these
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  Speaker 2: bot farms are I don't know if you've ever seen them,
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  Speaker 2: but people have like gone inside and filmed them like whistleblowers.
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  Speaker 2: And what they literally have is like rows and rows
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  Speaker 2: of android phones that are all connected to like yes,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll type one thing and that one thing gets
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  Speaker 2: tweeted by hundreds and hundreds of phones. And there's many
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  Speaker 2: of these places. And this was back before you can
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  Speaker 2: get AI to automate things for you. Now that you
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  Speaker 2: could do a thing where you can essentially start a
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  Speaker 2: camp pain online, like say Steve Hilton's a cunt. Pass
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  Speaker 2: it on and literally they will. You could hire a
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  Speaker 2: company and this company has bots that will go out
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  Speaker 2: there and promote that Steve Hilton is a cunt, and
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  Speaker 2: they will put it everywhere. They'll they'll hire people, they'll pay.
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  Speaker 2: This is another thing. There's a bunch of like really
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  Speaker 2: bad actors, really bad faith actors on Twitter that are
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  Speaker 2: paid to post things. And these people have been called
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  Speaker 2: out many times by other people that are independent journalists
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  Speaker 2: that say, isn't it crazy that all these people use
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  Speaker 2: the same verbase. They're getting paid, They're getting paid quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit of money. Israel pays people. They've been pretty
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  Speaker 2: open about it, you know, and they were saying that
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  Speaker 2: we have to win the digital war against what they
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  Speaker 2: could they call it the woke Reich, which is hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: So there's that. So so you have to like when
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  Speaker 2: you're engaging, like, I know real people on Twitter, I
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  Speaker 2: know real people that I read their posts, and I
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  Speaker 2: know there's real independent journalists, but there's a tremendous amount
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  Speaker 2: of just utter horseshit. Yeah, I don't have time. I
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  Speaker 2: have no time for no.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I look at it so because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're running around, you're doing all these things to the
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  Speaker 1: campaign whatever, so I don't have too much time. It's
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  Speaker 1: the one I look at. But there's all the other
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's Instagram and all the rest, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't even look at those. But well, X you know
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  Speaker 1: for a few hours, you know, if you add it up,
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  Speaker 1: probably half an hour in the morning, maybe half an
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  Speaker 1: hour in the middle of the day, half and at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day you look at it then
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  Speaker 1: and you just find out what's going I think it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty good for news, like things that are happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's the getting in my world for news, So.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I check in with it. Yeah, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of see what's happened.
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  Speaker 2: I do that. I go to the front page, like
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  Speaker 2: what's going on? What are the news stories? But as
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  Speaker 2: soon as it gets to people's opinions on somethingthing, blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah listening.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's fun. Honestly, the abuse stuff, it
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  Speaker 1: just makes me laugh. I think it's kind of that's good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've always been really good digitally, like for people
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  Speaker 2: that don't know. Like I said, Steve and I have
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  Speaker 2: known each other for a long time. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 2: good friends. Like we've taken our families to Disneyland. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like we've slept over each other's homes. This is again,
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  Speaker 2: way before you were running for governor. I know you,
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  Speaker 2: and you know me, and you know my family. We
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  Speaker 2: know each other. And you've always had no phone. You
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  Speaker 2: were always impossible to reach. I used to have to
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  Speaker 2: get a hold of your wife to get a hold
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  Speaker 2: of you.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's hilarious. For a while, I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: you've had a fucking email for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I have email. I always had email, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But you never had anything on you to check that email.
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  Speaker 2: So like, exactly one time in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: I always said, it's fine, nothing ever goes wrong. Went wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Your wife was so mad at you because you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get a hold of you. Fucking padded. But this was
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  Speaker 2: the thing. Is like you were well aware that it
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  Speaker 2: is a toxic element in your life and it's distracting.
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  Speaker 2: It keeps you from being present, it keeps you from
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  Speaker 2: being in the moment, and it's very hard to have
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  Speaker 2: discipline and just put it down. And I'm really good
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  Speaker 2: at it, but then I'm not. And then some days
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  Speaker 2: I'm not. I just find myself on the toilet for
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes watching murder videos because my Instagram it's actually
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  Speaker 2: really good right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually, you mean like true crime stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, horrible things. So one of my best friends, Tom Segura,
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  Speaker 2: he and I have had this tradition over the last
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  Speaker 2: few years of sending each other the worst fucking shit
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  Speaker 2: that we find online to each other, just to freak
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  Speaker 2: each other out. First thing in the morning, like first
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  Speaker 2: of the morning. I wake up and Tom sent me,
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  Speaker 2: Like the other day I sent him these two guys
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  Speaker 2: were trying to rob an ATM machine and uh, the
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  Speaker 2: guy's pulling on it and they wrapped a chain around it,
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  Speaker 2: and they had a car sounds like a movie that
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  Speaker 2: was pulling yeah. Yeah, So the car was pulling the
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  Speaker 2: the ATM machine out and the guy got trapped under
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  Speaker 2: it and drag with sparks and blood. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: fucking her horrific. And I mean I've seen so many
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  Speaker 2: people get executed hundreds. Instagram is terrible at removing that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I spend far less time on
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  Speaker 2: X because X is so much opinions, it's so much
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  Speaker 2: of it. It's just text Instagram. For me, it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it is very interesting, Like I find interesting
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  Speaker 2: historical facts, interesting scientific discoveries, cool stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of it seems to be just generally
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  Speaker 1: when I'm around, you know, I'm on planes a lot
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  Speaker 1: and and all the time, and you see people, so
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  Speaker 1: just just watching people Instagram seems to be the thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not watching what they're looking at. You
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  Speaker 1: can see the logo and you can see that seems
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  Speaker 1: to be what people are most consuming. Yes, on the Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's probably the biggest one. Maybe TikTok's probably
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  Speaker 2: the biggest and TikTok. I don't know what's the biggest,
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  Speaker 2: but they're all they're both pretty big, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: just my TikTok's probably younger, yeah, I think, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of older people on TikTok too. Now. It's
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  Speaker 2: just very addictive. TikTok. When you open it up, it
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  Speaker 2: immediately starts playing you something that's different. You know, like Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: it opens the page and you go, so, what's going
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  Speaker 2: on and you have to like put in a little effort.
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  Speaker 2: TikTok is like gotcha, Like immediately as soon as you
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  Speaker 2: open up the app. It's like, gotcha, here's another one.
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  Speaker 2: Here's another one, here's another one. Next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: an hour's gone by and you've wasted it.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I first read about it, like years ago, TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe even it wasn't cooled. TikTok his bike
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  Speaker 1: dance were doing it, and it was music video is
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  Speaker 1: there's something, and that's it started.
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  Speaker 2: It started with.
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  Speaker 1: You could make your own video to music or something
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  Speaker 1: to music was the focus.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the original TikTok was a bunch of people dancing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were dancing and lip syncing.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember reading and they were talking about how
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  Speaker 1: viral it's gotten. Then this thing is going to take over.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, yeah, that can't be. That's not
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. And then now look where we are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's really interesting is China, where TikTok originated. They
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  Speaker 2: have a completely different TikTok exactly. Their TikTok is curated
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  Speaker 2: to like martial arts, demonstrations, scientific discoveries. It's all athletic exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's all like enriching as you can do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and kids aren't even allowed on it after ten pm,
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  Speaker 2: so like you have to put in your age. When
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  Speaker 2: you do it at ten pm, it bricks. You go
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  Speaker 2: to work, bitch, go to sleep, get up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: And now now.
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  Speaker 1: TikTok does that or the I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: I've read that the Chinese version of TikTok. So the Chinese.
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  Speaker 1: Government makes them do that. They do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're smart, Like it's not good to censor people,
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  Speaker 2: but if you want to have a society it's not
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  Speaker 2: captured by horseshit. Yes, that's the way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So I remember back. So I'm Hungarian, my parents are Hungarian.
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  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I was born in England,
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  Speaker 1: but we'd go back to Hungary and this thing I
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  Speaker 1: always remember being really pissed off about when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid, not that the TV was just before anything.
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  Speaker 1: It was just TV. That's all you had was television.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But on Mondays in Hungary there was no television because
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: they wanted people to do other stuff just on Monday. Yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: it was something maybe I'm getting this right, And it
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: was like go out, talk to each other, do staff
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: sports whatever. It was just and it was communist regime,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: so they can do whatever they want right, but you think,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, they were thinking.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I prefer freedom, but.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I think all about all of this
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: is so hard, Like even when you look at like
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: just today, there's this massive trial, this Meta trial Meta.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It's a lawsuit. Today's the first day of the trial.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: They're suing Meta for one point four trillion dollars trillion
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: trillion with a T.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Who.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're not going to get that, but that's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the claim.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It was just today, claims it addicted children of social media.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And they're doing this through lawsuits and and I'm just
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: so torn over this because I've got a very strong
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: point of view about all of this and kids. Yes,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but there's something about this that doesn't feel right in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: terms of just going after these big platforms, because in
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the end, I think it's the phones, it's the There'll
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be something else if it's not Meta, it'll be another thing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I mean I wrote about this year like twenty fifteen,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: so soon after we did that show, I was probably
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: working and at the time I had a book called
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I published a book called More Human, designing a world
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: where people come first. And the kind of main thing
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in the book was everything's too big and bureaucratic and centralized,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and we've got to get back to the human scales.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It's mainly about other kinds of policy errors. But I
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: did write about this thing and kids and tech, and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I said at the time, you know kids under sixteen.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I said, then shouldn't have smartphones. You can give them
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: other phones to stay in touch, but smartphone is bad idea.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: It's the screens. And so I see all this going
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: on and I think, yeah, I have a go at
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Meta or whatever, WhatsApp or YouTube. I think they're coming
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: for as well.
• 19:00
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• 19:02
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  Speaker 2: coming for television though, user created television. I think it's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the screens though, right, But the screen is the problem, right,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: it's not the content creator. And then if they are
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: coming after YouTube, then they're kind of coming after me,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: right because like I'm making people addicted to listening to
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  Speaker 2: potentially including parental verification for teen accounts, changes to recommendation
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: algorithms characterized as dopamine manipulating, removing or limiting light counts,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: infinite scroll, AutoPlay, appearance altering, filters multiple accounts, and disappearing
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: content such as stories what people love that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I know, So that joined to really mic for a manage.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but disappearing content such as stories is kind of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: interesting sometimes. Like my friend Adam Greentree. Yeah, he's a
• 21:28
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• 21:34
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• 21:38
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• 21:44
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• 22:08
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  Speaker 2: government gets involved in mandating product redesigns, yes, we're fucked
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: because they're not going to make it good for us.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: There's not a chance in hell. Yeah, it's just manipulating.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's they're get involved and they'll probably get them
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to give them some money.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And then and then when you start getting it, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you could imagine these bureaucrats sitting around micromounal. I mean
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: too much of that already.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that we So I get it's.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: A problem, but this isn't the way to go.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: No, No, you know there's a relaunch of MySpace that
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is really yes, and so my space is apparently attempting
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to relaunch and be algorithm free, and this is their idea.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: They're they're thinking the algorithms are designed to keep you
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: engaged and get you dependent and get you hooked, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they're doing it by making you outrage for the most part. Right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And what they want to say is, look, why don't
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you just find what you want to find and we'll
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: have it on here, which is probably a lot better. Yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: because you know, my feed would be all things only
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: that I'm interested in, not things that pissed me off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that was the big change they made to the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: news feed versus what you were doing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And incredibly camf incredibly like potent in its impact on children,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: in particular in me be a child. I'm a little kid.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I fucking I get to get hooked. We all get hooked.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: You get hooked on nonsense and just paying attention to
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: stupid things, and it just eats time. And that's what
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: is That's the commodity. The commodity is.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Your attention exactly. But you've got with k I hear
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: actually all the time. It's not discussed like a political issue,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like we talk about gas prices whatever. But then I've
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: done a lot of events last whatever year and a half,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like really a lot, thousands and thousands of people, sometimes
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: big events, small round tables. You hear a lot of people,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and they the first set of things they talked to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you about are what you might because they think you're
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a candidate. This is politics. Let's talk about taxes and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: gas prices and the kinds of things that you think
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they you know, are sort of assumed to be part
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: of the political conversation. But then when you raise something
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: like that, like the kids and the screens. That totally
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: changes the conversation and suddenly they're like intense and kind
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of really kind of angry in a totally different way.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: In what we're It's like, what are we.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Supposed to do? It's like for parents, it's like with
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the screens and the social media and then the video games,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and now it's AI and they're talking to AI, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: then the AI is doing the homework, like what are
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: we supposed to do?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up video games because video games
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: are far more addictive than social media. Yes, video games
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: are insanely addictive, and no one's trying to get rid
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of that. It's because these things can change the way
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: people think, they can change public opinion, and they can
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: move people in certain directions. I attribute it to the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: rise of you know, the democratic socialists. I attributed to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the rise. I mean, it's a lot of this manipulation,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: these ideas, like people are really getting oh, maybe being
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: socialist is cool, Like this is all coming out of
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: social media. It's not natural that people are sitting around,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you know, reading marks and going what a great idea, like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: let's implement this. They're not doing that. Very few of
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: these quote unquote Marxists that you find on social media
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: are even aware of the consequences, the historical consequences of
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: these these strategies and what it ultimately leads to, which
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: is like checkers. It's like real simple, like you're going
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to have a military that controls everything you do as
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: soon as you give up everything to the state. Well,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the state has the guns and you have nothing, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: then they tell you what to do. It sucks. It
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that that's the way to do it, because
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: capitalism is brutal. Yeah, capitalism needs some fucking guardrails, that's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Everything needs to be but you've got like, no, I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: totally agree, Like I always joke about it, but it's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of true. Is like, M'm dandy with the state
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: run grocery stores, Like we had that when I was
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a kid. I literally went to them in Hungary. It
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was a communist state. There was only state run grocery stores.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I saw them. There's one like at the end of
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the block where my grandma lived, and I would go
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: there in the morning to get whatever it was. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's just terrible, Like it's really.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I'm very torn on social safety nets. I think we
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: should have them because I think a person who is
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: down on their lock where things go wrong, like a
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: woman who has children and her husband dies and she
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't have an income and now, oh my god, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: have to feed these children. Yeah, we should have social
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: safety nets. I also think social safety debts encourage people
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to rely on them and have zero ambition. I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: both those things are true.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm so I've always been against. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: can see the argument for but I've always been against
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this universal basic income type thing. There's an argument for
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it where it's like quite a low level and there
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that's something The original guy that I think that used
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to argue for that was on the right, Milton Friedman
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and Charles Murray I think, also argued for it coming
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: from the right, but their version of it was to
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: replace everything else, so you wouldn't have any other benefits,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any other government services, no medicaid, not
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: just an amount of money based, very simple, less bureaucratic,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and that's it. But this is not what's being arguing now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I think that would actually probably be like financially more
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: efficient because you would radically reduce the amount.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Of government exactly in the bureaucracy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, radically reduce the amount of people that have control
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: over other people.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You would say, listen, we're going to cut out the
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: middleman and just give the money. That's not a bad idea.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So I had, I got and it was very funny
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in that, like you say these things before you whoever
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: imagine being a candidate, and they come back and get
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: sort of twisted.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Part of the problem with welf areas. And this is
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: going to sound completely like I'm contradicting myself, but it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: not half money barely live.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But this is what I was. That's exactly what I'm saying.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So I was it in that book. I think in
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that book, the twenty fifteen book More Human I had
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: this idea based on what you're talking about, which is
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: actually for a lot of people, things like like the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: minimum wage, for example, is just you can't live on it,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: especially like in California now right, But in a lot
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of places it's so low that the costs are so
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I can't live on it. And there's a lot of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: people working really hard, like not lazy on the couch,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: playing it as seriously hard working people often two jobs
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: who can't live on what they make. It's like really wrong.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think if it works so hard, you should be
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: able to live on it. So I had this idea
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: which was the business friendly living wage, and the idea
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was you increase the minimum wage to a living wage
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: which is calculated.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: What do you think that would be?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Well in by area, it's different everywhere. You know in California,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and a lot of places are being incredibly high. You know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: thirty four, you know a lot of really.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: High level thirty or forty dollars an hour.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Well, because you've got now in certain counties in California
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: more than I think, it goes up the whole time.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: The official government level for low income is one hundred
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Low income.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Crazy because costs?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, if you made one hundred
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: thousand bucks, you were killing it. I know this dad
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: makes one hundred grand, Like.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Whoa Okay. So when I in my campaign, I had this.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: One of my first things was no state income tax
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: under one hundred grand. I got the working class tax.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of people nationally said, that's so high, why
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: are you rewarding rich people? Actually, the feedback we got
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in the primary was that's too low, and there's a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: ton of people in California make it out in one
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty, that sort of thing, who can barely
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: live because everything's so expensive. You're in LA or somewhere expensive.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So we've raised it to one hundred and fifty tax free.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But going back to the living wage thing, that's obviously
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: really tough for a business to pay that kind of level.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I used to run by I ran a restaurant. You know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you'd be killed by that kind of high thing. But
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: at the same time, as you've got businesses paying people
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: for full time work that they can't live on, the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: businesses are also paying taxes, payroll tax, all this stuff
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: they're paying to the government, and then the government is
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: taking it and handing it back to the workers in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: benefits and welfare. So my thing was, why don't you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: just cut out the middleman and have the businesses pay
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the workers, not the government, and then the net effect
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: for business is about the same. Well, that would be
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the goal. So they're paying their workers more, it's not
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: paying the.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Same amount, like are they literally that doesn't make any
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: sense because like, what is minimum wage in California right now?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just gone up. It depends where you're looking.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: So fifteen dollars.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Sixteen in a bit, and then for fast food it's twenty.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And they wanted it for that was.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: A reasoning right, and a lot of people push back
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: against that, and they wound up they wound up cutting
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of jobs.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that went through. So there's twenty dollars for fast food.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and then then immediately cut a bunch.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Of jobs exactly and put in automation.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's got to be some jobs that
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: are entry level jobs for kids, yes, and that's readiable.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: They used to be supposed to make a living off
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: of that. You're supposed to be a kid that's learning
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: how to work. You show up on time, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you get your paycheck. You realize the taxes get cut
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: out of it. You're like, what exactly all that stuff
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like it's good for kids to have. But once you
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: get past entry level jobs, then okay, Like if someone's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a landscaper or if someone's like doing this is a
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: job you work forty hours a week, Paying someone fifteen
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: dollars an hour to work forty hours a week is
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: kind of brutal.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying horrible exactly.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You barely can get by.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: But the But because we've built all of this bureaucracy,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: certainly in all I really know is California, and just
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the level of the government in all its forms is
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: so big. You're paying all these taxes, and the taxes
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: are coming out in all these hidden ways, gas taxes,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: housing taxes that they don't call a housing tax, but
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it's there everywhere you look. They've got these things that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: they're charging you, right, but which makes everything more expensive.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And what do you get for it, this bloated bureaucratic
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: government that's not actually helping it. It's actually making it
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: harder to run a business, harder to build anything. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: so I think that's and this is the I used
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to call it this doom loop that the Democrats who
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in charge, even they get it right, they get that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: people are really struggling, people can't afford stuff. So what's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: their response, Oh, we got to, you know, make give
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: them more welfare. Bennett, We've got to take put taxes
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: up in order to get more money to redist But
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that just makes everything more expensive. They never think about, well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: why don't we just cut the costs why don't we
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: just reduce the amount that we're taking so that people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: can have more.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they would have to cut out their
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: slush fund, because that's really what it is. It's a
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: big ass slush fund. One of the things that we
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: pointed out was that the number of people that moving
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: to California and even living in California, it shrank, but
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: government doubled.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's there's so many insane facts like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: That right where they say, oh, we've created so many jobs,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Like really, have you have you really created created an
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: actual job? Or have you figured out another way to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: increase the government and make more taxes work for whatever
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the fuck is NNGO you have or nonprofit you have,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: or like someone pointed out that there's this guy it's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: got these really funny reels on Instagram and how much
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: things cost versus like what you could get for and
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you know, he was talking about like some new thing
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: they're doing for the convention center. It's like a five
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: billion dollar renovation, and he was like listing all the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: different things and one of them that you could give
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: like every single person on skid row some fucking preposterous
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: amount of money, and it's you just realize like, oh,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: they don't want to fix any of this. Like the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: people that are working for the homeless. He was talking
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: about the average salary was like eight hundred thousand dollars.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: It was just one last week. This woman runs a
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: homeless nonprofit one point six million dollar salary. Who does
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: no profit?
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Nonprofit?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly, that's he's not killing it, exactly.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: There's enough a millionaire.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: There's another one yesterday. He's like, I don't know, some
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: business like but it's again, it's a nonprofit two point
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: six million.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just and here's the most important thing.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: The homelessness only got worse. Like in the private sector.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Imagine if you were a CEO of a company that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: was just losing insane amounts of money and never completing
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: its tasks, never doing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: This is the main thing.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It's like the more I look at it, the more
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: insane it is. And everyone just looks at it, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: no one's ever pointed this stuff out, like they all
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just the government just makes everything so expensive. In California,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: everyone says, oh, it's so expensive, what are we going
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to do. We'd better give them more welfare benefits.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Because we may have a billionaire wealth tax. Wealthcare steals
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: money from the most the richest people without addressing fraud
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and waste at all.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: But by the way, the richest people already pay about
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: half the income text the top one percent.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, so there's a small number of people in California
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: alone that are responsible for an extraordinary amount of the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: tax base. Yeah, just a very small number of people,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: and you're scaring them away.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And but they just they don't have that mentality of
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: cutting costs like normal business.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yet paid no matter what. This is what I said
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: during COVID, I said, I think the mayor should get
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: paid dependent upon the GDP of the city. Yeah, so
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like if the city, like if you lose seventy percent
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of the restaurants, which like Los Angeles did during Garcetti
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: should have lost seventy percent of his paycheck. You should
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: have if you lose like seventy percent of businesses, you
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: should lose seventy percent of your income. And I guarantee
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you they would be more friendly to business if that happened.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: But this exactly, and they don't care. And this is
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: what happens. I think when you've got this one party
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: rule thing that's been going off with sixteen years now,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they've run everything. They don't care because they think they'll
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: be in power forever and it just doesn't matter.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And it seems like they will, Like look at what
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: they did to Spencer Pratt.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I know it's crazy.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And what they did Spencer Pratt was so transparent that
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: even Democrats admit there's something weird about the fact that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Nithia Rahman all of a sudden got way more votes
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: than Karen Bass, way more in the mail ins and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: people voted for an increase in taxes. I know, it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: just that doesn't make any sense. Nobody votes for an increase.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And actually in recent years in California, anything like that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: has been voted down right, and just in the.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Law, was only the mail in ballots that turned it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Well, they this is the same I was saying.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: It's getting dirty people.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Well people bring it up the whole time, and I say, yeah, whatever,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: this is the it's they've made it legal, right, this
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: is not illegal, and the scam is so bad. We've
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: looked into a few of these. Uh we were just
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know, through the year, we've been looking following some
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of this money. It's just everywhere you look, so cannabis. Right,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they legalize cannabis Prop. Sixty four in California, and there's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a tax, and the tax's part of the selling it
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to the public was we're going to have the tax
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and it's going to pay for substance substance abuse prevention.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Isn't that nice? So then they so we looked into it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty million dollars of that goes to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: this nonprofit which with some nice sounding name about health.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And then you actually track the money they give out
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: these little grants million each million here, seven hundred and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand there, to five hundred or so other nonprofits.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And then you look at what they do, voter registration,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: ballot harvesting, all of this shit. I mean, this is
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: what they do, stealing money, and it's and we're paying
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: for it. And there's so many example we've just found
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a few of them. I mean, remember, they've doubled the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: budget of California more than dot in the last ten years.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Leads to the numbers. This year, the budget is just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: over three hundred and fifty billion. The total budget ten
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: years ago it was one hundred and seventy And everything's worse, crazy,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's so bad. My other favorite example is that there's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: so many I just every day you learn about these
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: crazy things. Prisons, right, they've been shutting the prisons, which
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I totally disagree with because whatever, that's a different story.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But in the time they basically cut the prison population.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: It's not quite half, but nearly the budget has doubled.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, well, it's so transparent, Like look what
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: they did in Los Angeles with the fire relief money.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, firerate. That was disgusted, so disgusting. You had people,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: good hearted, people wanting to help their own money that's
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: supposed to be charity, and it's going into this political
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: slush it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: When all of it into nonprofits. Yeah, and not just
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: one nonprofit, like two hundred different non partits exactly. Spencer
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Pratt laid it all out, like how they what do
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: they do? And no money went to anybody who lost
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: their home. None, and which is should be illegal.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: They legalized all of this. That's the point. And so
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I always say, yeah, we've got this system, but there's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: only one answer in advance of being able to get
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: in power and do something about it, is we just
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: got to get every vote we've got to get every vote.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And I know people look at this race and say, well,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you're never going to win, it's hopeless. I don't think
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that's true. I think that actually people are really pissed
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: off if you give them a sense that we can
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: really this is not a hopeless cause. And I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: we're showing that. We've just got to I mean, I've
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: got this guy running against me who's just a complete joke.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Coman' who is it. He's called Javier Besserra. He was
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Biden's health secretary. He was I mean, I want to
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: say one thing before I'd say the most important thing
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: about him. But since we've been just been having a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: go at him, telling the truth about what he did
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: as Biden's health secretary, his score has been coming down
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: with not that much effort from us. And we want
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: to have money. We're a scrappy startup, right. They've got
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: this big machine, the government, unions, they just you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: roll on. He's he's like the first poll that came
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: out in the race was just off the primary. It
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: looks it's over. What's the point, you know, sixty one,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: thirty six. He had sixty one. I had thirty six.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The next one is like fifty five. This is just
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the other week fifty five. I think I had thirty seven.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: There's one we just heard about where the GAP's under
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: ten percent. So no one wants this to go on
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in California. There's a majority who want to get rid
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: of this, but it's just been this sense that it's
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: impossible and we just have to put up with it
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: or leave. And I think we got to. If we
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: change that attitude, I think people are going to vote
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: this regimeil. It's so bad anyway.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The thing we've seen the map, the electoral map that
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: they put out from twenty twenty versus twenty twenty four,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and the difference being you look at all the counties
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: that went red, Yeah that used to be blue. Where
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: people are freaked out. The problem is these high population
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: urban areas where people live in these liberal bubbles, which
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: is Los Angeles is the craziest version of that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: And Los Angeles County is twenty three percent of the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: vote in all of Califuna.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Let's put this into perplexity. Ask perplexity, how many people
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles are on SSRIs.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't think that's where you were going.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I would like to know. Okay, well, I think there's
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that are. They're medicated, and it's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: part of what helps them agree to this nonsense is
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that they're in this zombie catatonic state from antidepressants and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: antipsychotics and anti this and anti that and anxiety medication,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and they're fucking cloudy. They don't see things, and they're
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: surrounded by this echo chamber of people that only agree
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: with them. No reliable public count of current SSRI users
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: specifically in Los Angeles, but a reasonable rough estimate for
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles County is on the order five hundred thousand,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand adults. Not a precise precise head count. Now,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: how many people are in Los Angeles.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: There's ten million in the county.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's way low. I think that's way low.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I bet it's ten times that. I bet it's everyone.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I think no, all bullshit asided. I bet there's a
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: few million. Los Angeles County has roughly seven point eight
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to eight million adults. If about eleven to seventeen percent
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: take antidepressants, roughly sixty to seventy percent of antidepressant users
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: take take an SSRI. The implied range is five hundred
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and thirty to nine hundred and fifty, so maybe a million.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably a few million. I know a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: lot of people that are on it, man a lot.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's like more represented in Los Angeles. And
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: there's also this idea that you need a medication because
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you have had an imbalance, you need medication.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It's over medicare, it's really bad.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Well, also the imbalanced thing has been disproven. It's not real,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: it's not what it is. And then there's also there's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a reality of your physical being. Okay, if you will
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: live a sedentary lifestyle, you eat terrible food, your physical
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: body is going to feel like shit and you're not
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: going to be happy. That's just how it works as
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a human being. That's it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: It's like if you're feeling down or pistol, like literally,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: do some exercise.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: My friend is Sanomond, who's a you'll see him tonight
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: at the Mothership hilarious comedian. He has a great bit
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: about like the people that are in these commercials that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: are playing basketball, they take the medication and know they're
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: playing basketball and drinking water and having fun. He goes, Yeah,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: that's the actual solution. To depression. It's not taking, it's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: fucking do something athletic, Yes, get active, have a community
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that you enjoy hanging out with, like that's what keeps
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: people from being depressed. And they've been sold this bill
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of goods that you have a chemical imbalance in your brain.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well that that narrative was never supported by science and
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: has now been completely dismissed. That's not true.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Doing it still, I mean, funnily enough, that was what
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I I one of the chapters in that book, twenty
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: fifteen book More Human, was about health and it was
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: all that. That's what I wrote about, which is this
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: is crazy we've got And in fact, when I was
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: in ten Downing Street you you know, I was the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: senior advisors of the Prime Minister and you're getting mainly
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I focused on domestic policy. That's why I focused on
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and you're there, you're at you know in ten Downing Street,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you get meeting, you can have meetings with kind of
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: everyone will come in and have a meeting. And I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was really focused. You've got the National Health Service, which
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: is what the left want here, the Medicare for the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: single payer healthcare whatever, that's what there is in the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: UK and it's funded by the government, by taxpayers one
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, and so it's part of the budget, which
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is one of the problems. It's always competing for money
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: against everything else, and so there's a real reason to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: try and get the cost down because you're funding it
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: out of the budget for everything else. And so health
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: promotion is or should be a really big part of it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to really do much more on that
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that you should actually use the National Health Service to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: try and make people healthy instead of all this sickness stuff.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So I had all these meetings trying to understand, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the Royal College of this, the Royal College of that,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: or the cancer people. Oh, they all came in. It
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: was so hilarious after kind of months of these meetings
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: of like, what do we need to do to make
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: people healthy? It's the simple basic things. In the end,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: what you just said is nutrition exactly, the healthy, take out,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the size, sleep enough, moderate exactly, all of those things,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like all these geniuses of science and whatever. I said, honestly,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it's so basic. But then I was just seeing today
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: there's this awful story about the mother who killed the children.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Awful story the mother and she had really bad depression
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of the postpartum depression, and was asking for help and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: all this, and they just kept giving her this medication.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And she was saying, I think their text to her
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: mother saying, this new medication they've got me on is
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: really making me feel even more anxiety and I don't
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: know what's going on. Help help helt they and they
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: showed all the medication she was on in the run
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: up to this. It's shocking, like so shocking just the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: amount of staff they're loading her up with. That must
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: have over the edge Liverpool.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: When you look at the commercials for these things, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: then you see the possible side effects, like who in
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: their right mind would take something for depression which has
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: side effects which caused a suicidal ideation? What I thought
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you were curing depression. Your side effect is I might
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: want to kill myself. Like it's like this is a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: cure for depression too, blow your brains out, nor more depression.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's a cartel. It's a cartel in the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: United States. I mean it is a sanctioned tax, it's
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a it's publicly traded. It's a fucking cartel. And they
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: buy off politicians and they pass through regulation.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I see not just on this but on on everything. Again,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: it's just an eye open I kind of suspected it,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but when you see just how cynical it is, this
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: kind of corrupt I don't know what you want to call,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you know, machine politics, this I don't know. In Sacramento,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: where they literally buy what they want, They buy the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: legislators that pass the bills that help their interest whatever
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, and that's why nothing really changes and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: no one knows what's going on, no one follows it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: There's all these laws they passed, the end up with
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: things happening in the real world that normal person would say, how,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: how the fuck did that happen?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, three years ago, someone put in a
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: bill that was probably written by the lobbyist for whoever
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: it was, that even the legislator who put their name
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: on it probably never read it. And then suddenly it's
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the law, and all these bad things happen. And that's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: what's going on.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Now. What could you do differently if you get an office, like,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: how much of this crazy entangled machine can you unwind?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Let's imagine?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought people.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Wake up, they go Steve Hilton's making a lost sense.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Let's vot him in and then even the liberals like
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: secretly run out and vote you in. It's got to
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: be too big to rig, because that's the thing. Yes, exactly,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the mail in ballots.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, can you believe? And I we'll get
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: into it. But did you see Kamala Harris the other day? No,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: she was at some conference or whatever doing her sort
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: of maybe I'll run for president. Yeah, look she's I know.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: The last one was pretty successful for almost spending one
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: point four a billionire. She's very she lost state.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: She's it's very funny. There's I sort of talk about
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a lot because my guy. But Sarah, he was asked
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the same question that she was asked. Remember when she
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: went on the view and it was like, what was
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you different? She said, oh, nothing comes to mind. Really
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you haven't thought. So he was asked. But Sarah my
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: opponent and the guy he was on CNN. The guy says, look,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it's obvious things aren't going well. To be fair, the
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: seay and the interview said, look, we got the highest
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: can't He listed a few of the things. Highest unemployment
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: rate in America, which, by the way, no one can
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: believe that we have the highest unemployment rate of all
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: fifty states, highest poverty rate, cost of living is a nightmare.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: You know, what would you have done differently? He says, well,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it can't be that bad because people are still coming
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: to Disneyland and the beaches. That's what he said. And
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: then she said, well, so no policy changes. No anyway,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Kamla was that this thing the other day? And she
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: starts talking about the election and how I don't know
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: if she wasn't aware that Trump and Maga had this
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: slogan that was a massive part of their thing, too
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: big drig So she starts saying it as if it
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was a completely new thing. She said it the other day.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: You know, the thing that we have to do is
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: make sure we get a really you know, we've got
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to get everybody well, you know, to coin a phrase,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: we have to make it too big to rig, like
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: It no way, she said it nowhere. Yeah, so she's
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: alleging that it was rigged the last I.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Have no idea what she's talking about.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what amount of election fraud there is,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: but it's not zero.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: It's not zero.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: It's never been zero. And the real weird one for
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: me was how many more votes Biden got in twenty
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: twenty than any other president ever. We have a lot
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: of work to do because you know, these folks are cheating,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: they're trying to rig the system. They're trying to draw
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: maps all of it. What you mean stuff that the Democrats.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Are aready exactlyous.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. We have to make it too big to rig.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: We have to turn out in big numbers, jump all
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: over these obstacles they're trying to throw our way. We
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: have to make it too big to rig. What are
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: you saying, like, how are they cheating? Like? How is
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: she alleging their cheating? The idea that that's the best
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: they can do is so insane. It's so wild. It's
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: so wild, and it's because if you want to run
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: for politician, they will. If you don't follow their narrative
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and their their plan to a fucking tea, they're going
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to come for you and they're going to destroy you.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And it's usually some creepy sexual thing. They're gonna find
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: someone who says that you did something to them in
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: college or high school or whatever it is they and
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: they'll come up with as many things and throw them
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: your ways, as many things as they can find, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: they get rid of you and they get revolved.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I mean lucky. They don't think I've got any chance
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: of winning. I think that's why they've happened one that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: But just just on that though, it's it's interesting. It
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: makes me think this, this whole system, this corrupt thing
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that I've encountered. And I don't want to lose your
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: question about what I would do, because I've thought about
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that a lot. But it just it's a it's sort
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: of amazing, but not amaze. I knew it was like this,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: but to see it is something else. The scale of it. Yes,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: so even things you might not imagine, like, okay, a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: couple of you. So there's the Chamber of Commerce, right,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: it's called cal Chamber in California, and it's all the
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: big businesses and look, it's a Running a business in
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: California is an absolute nightmare. That's why they're all leaving.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: That's why Elon left, That's why so many companies leave.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: For everyone's in and out, and every day there's a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: new one that's announced. And then every day I meet
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: business owners, big, small, medium, all set who say, we're
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just hanging on to see if you can make it
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and if you don't, we're out right every day. Chief
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Executive magazine has an annual survey of business conditions. But
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: like yet, I think it was out in April, California
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: fiftieth out of fifty states, Okay, And I think it's
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: been like that for twelve thirteen years. So it's like
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a disaster. What's going on the Besarah who's running against
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: for business climate?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So Alaska's better?
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Every state in America is better.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Just Dakota, Florida, Tennessee, all right, So.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: You would think you would think that whether you've got
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a choice between two people, right, one of whom explicitly
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: says I'm not going to change anything that's Basserah and me,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: who's someone with business. Most of my career has been
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in business. When you do the ballot, you're allowed three
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: words to describe yourself. I actually wanted to do it
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: fairly because I've done a bunch of different things, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: so I went through every year since I left Oxford
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, thirty six years, and the majority of my
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: career has been in business, and most of those years
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: running my own businesses. So I put small business owner
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that's the three small business owner. And like in a
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: choice between that, you would think the California Chamber of Commerce,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: which represents business, would obviously want the guy who's pro
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: business instead of the guy who's going to keep up
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: this anyway.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: There's the money still there for now, and they're getting
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that money.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Well, there is the lobby. It is this kind of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: it's all of that crowd, right, and we have these
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: endorsement meetings, and then they pick him that they endorse
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the other guy, and then they say, we think their
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: statement was so full of shit. It was like, oh,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: it's time for unifying blah b it's some completely bullshit
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: political thing. Of course, because I went in there and
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I said, we got a change direction. The policies are
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: hurting business. What have I just said what I think?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: And they went for him because they all they actually
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: care about is the power, and they think he's going
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to win, and so they want to be in with him.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And then the other one that was like that, that
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: was in a way even more shocking was the police.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: So the police whatever it's called Police Poor Act, the
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Police Officers Association something, their union, that same kind of thing.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: You go to them and you you know, try and
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: get their endorsement. By the way, I said at the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: beginning of this whole process, it's a waste of time
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: because they they will only care about their thing that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: they want to get more money for whatever it is,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and so I don't want to give them that because
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that's wrong, and so they won't endorse me. I'm just
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: telling you, sure enough, we have this meeting, and I'm
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: completely on the side of the law and order thing.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's gone crazy, the defund the police, the insanity of
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: how they deal with crime. We got to reverse all
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: that prison closures, all these things. And he's not said
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: anything about that. He is just more of the same insanity.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: They endorse him, and then they told us why because
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: he promised to deliver on the one thing they really
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: cared about, which is some bill that would increase their pensions.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Why don't you agree to that bill?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Because the pension One of the reasons that the taxes
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: are so high and the and everything is like, for example,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you look at schools everywhere I go, parents are saying,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: what's going on. We pay the highest taxes anywhere, like
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: state income tax, property tax, all these taxes, and then
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: we go we have to pay the schools are asking
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: us to pay for basic supplies like paper books, like
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: cleaning materials, and the lottery money is supposed to go
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to schools as well, and they're saying what is going on?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Parents are really furious about it. One of the reasons
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: is because of the way they've done the pensions for
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the teachers. You know, you want people to have good retirement.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: That's true, but like a fifth I think is about
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: a fifth of the money before it's even spent, and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the schools goes to the pensions. It's a really really
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: bad situation.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I'm torn because I think they deserve pensions, particularly the police,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and I think I know they what percentage of the budget.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about listen, let's let's talk about money
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: that's gone to places where it vanished, like the homeless.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Twenty four billion dollars. Yeah, at least at least and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: even though they've tried to get an audit of it,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: knew some vetoed that stop them.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: He vetoed it exactly twice, right, And and and in
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: La there was a parallel. In LA there was a
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: lawsuit that ended up with a judge demanding a similar audit,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and the estimate was just for LA. It was two billion,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and Karen Bass vetoed the order in LA.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Let's imagine that two billion instead went to fund the police,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: better training, you know, better conditions, better morale, better pensions,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: higher quality of people that you're hiring.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Totally agree with that. We need to massive increase the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: numbers of police right now.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Imagine what an impact that would have on the encampments.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: On enforcing these You already have laws, they're just not
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: enforcing onundred percent. You're not supposed to.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: The homeless are illegal. That's what I say. My first
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: point on my plan is enforce the law. They're illegal.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Well, imagine what it's done to real estate in downtown.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a downtown real estate group business
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: group that filed that lawsuit that I was talking about
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: for LA exactly.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles is the only place in the country that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: has a useless downtown.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, one of the biggest cities.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: In the and I forgive I mean forgive me if
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: you have a great business in downtown and you love
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: the funky aspect of being there's wonderful restaurants in downtown.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I've traveled to them, but it's fucking sketchy. It's scary.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I took my kids once to get donuts in downtown
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and we're walking on the street and like, every step
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: of the way, you like, is this guy gonna attack us?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Is that guy crazy?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I literally had it the other night. We got in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: from somewhere down we're staying downtown, right by City Hall,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and got in quite late. I wanted something to eat.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: The hotel didn't have it whatever, and so I just
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: walk around trying to find It's a Saturday night about
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: it's not super late, it's like eight nine pm. It's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable. Zombie zombies, the stink of.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean, it's shit and piss everywhere, and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: it's a public health problem.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And you walk around and you think it's the second
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: city of America, with the richest country in the world.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: This is and we're the richest state. I mean, you're
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: being ripped off like that, and this is what we
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: end up with.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about just.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: On the police. The I mean LAPD is saying that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: by the time the Olympics is two years away, they
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: will have half the number of officers that they should have half.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And yeah, our taxes are the highest in the country.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: They've just increased the taxes in LA. Local sales tax
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: gone up.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: What I was getting to was imagine skid row. So
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: skid row is roughly fifty something blocks, right, So fifty
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: blocks where no one wants to buy a building, fifty
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: blocks where no one wants to put up a business,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: No one wants a lease a building for ten years.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: If it's you've got encampments right in front of it,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: like what, you can't even clean them up. You can't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: tell them to move, you can't ask them to not
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: shit on your porch.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: It's just unbelieved.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: There's nothing you could do. So just think about all
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: the tax revenue that's being lost, all the business being
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: lost in all of those areas in downtown that is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: completely unsafe and contaminated.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. The last time I went, I've been
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: a few times we went with this. They've destroyed the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: word nonprofit now I don't even want to say that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: like an actual charity, like a really nice, a real
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: one who've done beautiful work. It started off they were
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: trying to save the dogs, and what they're doing with
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the dogs is just unbelievable. Using the dogs to test
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: their drugs.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: So use the dogs to make sure the drugs.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Don't have just disgusting anyway. So they started off with
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that it was just a woman who's driving by and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: saw a dog in distress. These are a few years
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: ago and around that has built this beautiful charity. It's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: going there. We were there on a Sunday. They're giving
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: out clothes and stuff, trying to help people, and she
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: knows all the people. But this time, for some reason,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I was even more infuriated than before, because it's like,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: if you're the mayor of La or the governor of
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: California and this is going on, what are you doing?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: How could you do anything else before cleaning this up?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: It's so well, it was there and they got there,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: and it's sort of accepted. The schedule in particular is
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: always can be there. So it's been bad for a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: long time. Yeah, you know, I did Fear Factor in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: downtown LA. We filmed a lot of our episodes in
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: downtown LA because there was a lot of abandoned buildings
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: because it's kidrow that's a big part of it. But
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: also Los Angeles lost a lot of its manufacturing, just
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: kind of like evaporated for whatever reasons. So one time
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I was driving home and I took the wrong turn
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck is this And
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: it was just an entire street filled with people in
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: cardboard boxes and tents and garbage everywhere, just piles everywhere.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is crazy. And this was like
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Maybe it
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: was bad back then. It's just tucked away into this
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: old place. We looked at it. There's a documentary about
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the Cecil Hotel because there was a woman who drowned
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: in one of the tanks, and apparently they thought that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: she was murdered, but then when they got the surveillance footage,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: it seems like she had a schizophrenic episode and she
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: stopped taking her medication and she jumped into the tank
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: and drown in there. So it was this whole thing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: of what the Cecil Hotel used to be like, and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that these people that come from other countries, they go, oh,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: we're gonna rent this hotel in downtown La must be nice.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It's a historic hotel. It's been around since eighteen thirty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: five or whatever the fuck. It is, like, oh, this
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: should be great, And then you get there, you're like,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: holy fuck, you're in the middle of skid row. And
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: it was part of the documentary was explaining how bad
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: this area got.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: It's so bad. And it's also that's something about the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: just the squalla, the filth, the just the total disrespect.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: They have, medieval diseases that are emerging. Yeah, we haven't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: seen in one hundred years.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. And I just think that it's amazing to me,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: It's truly amazing that this just rolls on and like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: nothing happens.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: It's on a state and national emergency.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Scandal of the highest purple, you know.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: But no one goes there. That's the thing, as long
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: as it stays contained. And this was what this documentary
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: was alleging, is that the practice of moving people to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: skid row started a long time ago, and what it
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: was was to clean up Los Angeles and Beverly Hills.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: They'd find vagrants, they grab them, bring them to downtown,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: drop them off there.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That's how it got started.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: And then they kept them there. They literally contained them there.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Not anymore. I mean, you don't see it everywhere.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Well they don't have to, because now they know this
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: is the place where we can go and you can
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: get drugs, and you can get food.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: And you get drugs from the government. I mean, that's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: the point.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: The government gives them drugs.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: They do it from this city. What's called you know,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that's harm reduction they call it. They get with drugs,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: they give the opioids. They give them opiods as a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: substitute for ventanmon.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: What kind of opioids I don't know exactly, like methodone,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: which is not really technically an opiate.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. When we went there, they wouldn't let
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: us see it. Actually, we tried to film inside. There's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: a guy just did get inside, Christopher Ruffo from Manhattan,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: and he got and he made a film about the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: crackpipes they're giving.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Out or whatever they give out crack.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did a little. I mean, I don't know
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: if that was a he made. I don't know. I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: didn't see it myself.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Caring for those people.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: But it's just ridiculous. You've got but it's everywhere. It's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: not just skard. That's the thing that's so like this man,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I'm on the road the whole time. I see the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: whole state like probably not many people do, and just
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: there's something about the degradation the squalor in so many
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: not everywhere. Of course, it's beautiful, I love California, gorgeous.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Still it's still a lot, but yeah, but even the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: whole lot.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: More breaking and entering exactly a whole lot more home invasions.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: The home invasion is a huge thing. I mean, that's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: why one of the things again, we're just trying to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: make a difference here. You know, you've got one particular
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: thing with these home invasions. They're all wearing masks. Now,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it's like a really big part which that didn't used
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: to be the case. And so we've been working on
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: a plan that if you get enhancements for your sentencing
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: just for covering yourself up, because we've got to try,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and they're just like, there's no interest in trying to.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Not only that, there seems to be an interest in
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: letting people out of jail who have committed violent crimes,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: which I would only do if I wanted to destroy
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: a city.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: If you wanted to destroy a city, you would do
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: it exactly the way they're doing it. And then the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: most progressive das who are willing to let people out
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: no matter what. And then you use a bunch of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: words like racism, systemic racism or whatever, discriminations. This is
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: the reason why Mike has robbed ninety nine people over
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the life twelve years.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And well, the one thing that's good news, though, is
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: the new DA is pretty good. Nathan, that's good. He's good.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: He's good. I supported him. I saw him the other night.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: So he's really doing a good job. Shows that you
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: can make a change, actually right, I mean, look, he's
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: up against the whole system and the political system which
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: is still captured by that kind of insane ideology. And
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: so much of what you see going wrong in California
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: is exactly that is ideology over anything that's practical.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's also you have to do it here
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: to the narrative, yes, or you will be punished. And
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: so everyone's scared, so they say a bunch of things
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: that they you know, yeah, they think makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: There was a really like unbelievable example of it. There
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: was a Democrat state legislator, I think somewhere like Santa Cruz,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: somewhere like that. There's a couple of years ago who
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: voted the wrong way on a bill. The one of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: the government Unions was pushing. I can't remember the details,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: but it was that like offended the maybe the university teachers,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: something like that, a Democrat and then they then funded
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the campaign of the Republican just to teach them not
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: to step out of line.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing, just the well, there's a bunch of Republicans that,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: you know, they like to call rhinos, you know, you know,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Republican in name only. There's a lot of those folks
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: that it's they're basically trojan horses. You know. I think
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: we have a real problem in this country where there's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: only two parties. You know, I just I think it's crazy.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: There's so many people like me, for instance, that agree
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: with a lot of the things that the left pushes,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: and agree with many of the things that the right pushes.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: But things that's some of the things the right pushes
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: are fucking ridiculous, and some of the things that the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: left pushes are fucking ridiculous. But you have two choices, yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: and you're defined by the worst members of each party.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: People that the dumbest mag of people versus the fucking
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the Portland people. It's like, these are these
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: are your options? You have to completely ridiculous people who
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: believe in non binary folk, and then you have people
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: that are you know, I think this is a Christian
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: nation and we should kick out all the Muslims, Like.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we It's it's interesting because I thought about
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: this when not not that I didn't think about it
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that much, but there are a few people's because I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: think for what I'm about to say, it doesn't work.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: But a few people say, oh, you should run as
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: an independent. You shouldn't run as never can. Yeah, And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I am independent minded and I've never run
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: for office. I'm not part of this machine. I don't.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: I'll just say what I think, Especially because no one
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: thinks I'm gonna win, I might as well just go
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: for it, say you what I think. But I exactly right.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: You won't win. You won't win.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: There's just like when Barbie Kennedy was telling me that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: he's gonna run as an independent. I was like, yeah,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Michael Shell, you fucking can't win.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know Michael Shell. He's fantastic, he's great, and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: he ran for governor twice as an independence. Yeah, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I tried to help.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I put him on I knew he wasn't gonna win.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Think that was the Yeah, I mean he's you know,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: it's good for his career, and it gives him an
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: opportunity to speak his mind. He says a lot of
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: very very interesting and intelligent things.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's great.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's he's great at exposing a lot
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: of horseshit. Yeah, you know, he's really good at that,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: and he's very meticulous. It's a good journalist.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm really doing it because I I don't don't laugh.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I really believe that I can win.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: For real, Well, you might be able to because California
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: is that fucked California is that fuck that. I think
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people we lived in a very
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: liberal area. When I lived in California, everyone was very
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: liberal and it was normal. It was like it was
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: normal liberal, like what it used to mean. Like you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: believed in gay rights, you believed in women's rights, you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: believed in civil rights, normal stuff. You believed in the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: social safety net, normal stuff like that was what it
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: used to mean to be a liberal. Bill Clinton a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: liberal that's from like the nineties. If you listen to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Bill Clinton talk today, he sounds like he's running for
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: a Republican.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody, and on immigration, have you seen he's more maga?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Hillary was the most maga, all right.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: She literally there's one the other day where she was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen before, which was so it's like like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: we can't have all these illegal immigrants and we have
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: to and it was about the healthcare. We can't be
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: giving free healthcare to illegal immigrants because we cannot have
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: incentives for more illegal immigrants to come.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Republican talking point. Amazing crazy, But it just shows you
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: it's all bullshit. It's not real, like this idea that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: if you're on the left, you're supporting science, you're supporting
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: civil rights. They're telling you that to get your signa
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: can steel money. That's all it is. As soon as
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: you accept that, you realize, like, oh, both parties are
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: completely full of shit. They just fuck you in different ways.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: There's definitely one thing I've noticed there's in yeah, in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: the most of in Sacramento and the legislature, they've I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: think they're just I don't know, either they don't believe
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it or they've just been beaten down and so you've
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: had this they's just gone along with it. But actually
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: now You've got a few Republicans in California and they're
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: friends of mine and we're working together, you know, and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: i've heard of any of you know, people like Carl Deemeyo,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: David Tungepa, Ali Mercedo, the new leader in the Assembly,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: really actually have got this.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: We're real kind of friends and allies in fighting back
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: against the corruption. That's the big thing I think that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: you learn when you do is the interest groups, the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: big business, the big unions that they've just completely captured
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: the government. And I think it's fair to say the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Republicans have been part of that, but there's a group
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: of us now who really don't buy it, and we're
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: fighting back. I think we can make a big difference
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: if we get you know, if we can. They've got
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: a two thirds majority in the legislature. They call it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a supermajority. It's been like that for more than ten years,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: so they can do whatever they want. The Democrats and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: the Republicans have been kind of irrelevant. If we can
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: just you know, win a few more seats so they
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: don't have a supermajority, and if I can get elected
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and then we can start to chip away at it.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to not let either party have
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: complete and total control. That's exactly right, and I don't
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: think that's right. I don't think this is just the Democrats.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: I think if the Republicans are in the same position,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: we have another unique set of corruption and problems that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: would be similar. They'd be finding other ways to steal money.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the fundament, one hundred percent degree.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I say to Democrats, and we
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: you know, we can see it in some of the numbers.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I'm doing well with independence. We're getting Democrats come to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: my events, and one of the things I'd say is like,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: it's just not healthy to have one party running everything.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: And for the last sixteen years they in California, they've
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: had all the statewide elected positions governor and of the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: other ones, attorney general, whatever, two thirds majority in both
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: legislative chambers, every big city, every big county, the state
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court six one Democrat appointees. They just rub a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: stamp what whatever they want, and it's just not healthy.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: And it gets into this mentality of arrogance where they
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: just feel they can do whatever they want and no
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: one's ever gonna you know, stop them. Yeah, that's where
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: we're at.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And again, if the Republicans were in the same position
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: of power, you'd have another different set of problems that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: was probably very similar because it's just how people operate
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: when there's when they have control, when they have completely
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: it's just like if you have an authoritarian government. Yes,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: exactly right, similar kind of a situation. You have no
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: one's challenging your position of power, and you get to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want to do. And then you have
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people that funded your campaign and giving
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money, and then they're helping you out
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: with this and business deals to your uncle and this
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: and that.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just now in Hungary with Victor Auban, so I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: know Hungry well because it's my family still lived there,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: and if only if it's sixteen years he was in power,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: same midle amount of time as the Democrats in California,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and by the end, it's all exactly what you're talking about,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: like just unbelievable levels of corruption.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's always if they have total control, they're
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: going to be corrupt, especially if they don't have any oversight.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: If they can just get away with it like this,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: homeless thing where they've losted twenty four billion dollars and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the government can say, no, don't look at that stamp.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: You can veto that? Are you how is that legal?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: How is it legal that you could veto something there?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: And actually the amazing thing about that is that it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: was even the Democrat supermajority the part that did that right,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: So the process of the state auditor, it was a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Republican legislator that asked the state orditor to look at it.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: So it's initiated by a Republican state order to publish
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: the report twenty four billion missing. The legislature as a whole,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: which is two thirds Democrat run, said we need a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: proper ordit.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: It was these guys, it was everyone. It's crazy, Yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: because those Democrats weren't completely corrupt.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, you know they you'd have to.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Be completely corrupt to not look into that.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I know, it's amazing. And then then the bullshit excuse
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: that they come, oh, it's not necessary because like, oh.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: It's not necessary to look at where twenty four billion
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: dollars went and not just didn't work, but almost its
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: increased by a substantial marginal.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Well because the money but the answer to the question
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: is very over them. When we say that term homeless
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: industrial complex, what is it? You look at it, it's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: basically got two parts to it. You got the nonprofits,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: like we talked about that just keep getting the money
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: for you know, they've actually made it illegal to solve
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the problem, so they've no today, I'm not joking. They've
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: it's illegal for state money to go to any of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: these organizations that require any kind of response from the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: homeless person. So you can't require addiction treatment, recovery, anything
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: like that, job training, nothing, it's illegal. It's called housing first.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: So like obviously when you've got eighty percent and the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: fentanyl is a really big.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Part, the idea that it's a housing issue is so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: so you get so you've got the nonprofits.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: But then the other part of it, which is where
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: actually the bulk of the money is going these crony
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: developers that there's a very small group of developers, house
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: builders that build these apartment units. They called it permanent
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: supportive housing, the ore, the you know, shelter, and they're
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: they're charging up to I mean a low ball estate
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: is about six hundred thousand. There are some in LA
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: in the Bay Area that are nine hundred thousand million
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: per unit to build.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I've got a friend that builds apartments in the Bay Area, right,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he said, without all the government bullshit that
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: goes around it, the layers of nonsense that they put in.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: If it's taxpayer money, the union contracts that you've got
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: to use this kind of material, the environmental all this stuff.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: You could build it for a quarter like two hundred
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand per door. They call it four times
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: as much. That's where the money's going. And then you
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: get the unit whatever they put the homeless person in
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: there who's still addicted to fentanel. And as I went
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: again with a real charity in Venice, we went around
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: a guy who's a recovered addict, recovering addict and twenty
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: three years clean, and he's actually trying to help people.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: He actually hired, you know, he rents airbnbs and he
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: does group recovery and they have a you know, recovery
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: program they do together. He says, like these guys that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: are getting the permanent supportive housing, it's like a second
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: home because they're going back to the street to buy drugs,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: deal drugs. Because they're addicts, and you're not changing the behavior.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Their addicts and they're mentally ill. And so there's a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: massive influx of homeless people during the reaged administration where
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: they kind of like open the doors of the mental institution.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: So why we're not going to fund this anymore, which
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: is for public health and safety? That is a fucking
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: terrible idea.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they But then the other thing about that
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I completely agree is that they then that's been incorporate
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: that idea that you can't have mental institutions insane ascience.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: There's this kind of general sense that that's barbaric, and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: you don't want people in these institutions and it's better
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: to have them cared in the community. So that's incorporated
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: into Medicaid. And so often with government, you've got to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: look at the money flows. And one of the things
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that's still there is this rule called IMD Institutions of
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Mental disease. And the IMD rule is that there's no
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: reimbursement from federal Medicaid to any treatment that happens in
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: a facility with more than sixteen beds. It's very specific
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: limits sixteen beds because they don't it's all based on
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: this philosophy of we don't want big mental institutions. Okay,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: so that means that there's no incentive to have modern,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: large scale mental health care because that's all these small things,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: because you don't get any money back.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: I think people are also rightly suspicious of the potential
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: for a medical health industrial complex. Definitely, And then I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: think of how many people imagine I take it just like,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: have you ever seen that video over there's a guy
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: who gets pulled over and the cops on the spot
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: tell him that he's been evaluated as being mentally unwell
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and he needs to come in. And the guy is
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: completely calm and rational when he's talking to him, and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, make an appointment and I'll go and
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: get evaluated. And he's like, no, we're gonna bring you in.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: He's like, what do you? What do you? What are
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: you saying? Well, you've been deemed done well He's like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: by who I don't have there's no ruling against me.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting. So apparently there's more to it, and
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: this video went viral. Apparently there have been some videos
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: of this guy where he posted online where he's acting
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: kind of loony. I saw a couple of them. I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, that's a little problem, a little problem
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: at it. But could also be he's acting out on camera.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's doing this in real life,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: like just because someone's doing it in videos, so like
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of people act out in video just for attention,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: or maybe that's how he blows off steam, says wild
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: shit like you know, we need to eat the earth
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: or I don't know what the fuck he's saying. So this,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: but the video is very disturbing because in that moment,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: if these police officers in Canada are supposed to be
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: evaluating someone who doesn't have an official psych evaluation where
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: he's been brought in and they said, you know, you
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: have to be initutionalized. So that hasn't happened, and so
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: they're pulling this guy over and based on his interaction
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: with them, he is completely calm and rational, in fact,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: like charitably so because they're saying something fucking totally preposterous
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: and he's not yelling, he doesn't raise his voice, he's coherent,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: he's articulate. I want you to watch it because it's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: kind of crazy, Jamie. I'm sure you can find it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: That's really terrifying.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: But let's just look at the actual video itself, because
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: the video itself is bizarre because without any context. And
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: again I think there is some context. There have been
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: some videos where he act nutty, and this guy might
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: just be manic depressive, where he's capable of keeping it together,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: like to pretend he's normal when the cops are there,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: but then as soon as he's on his own as
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: no one's watching me, goes insane. That is possible.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: But what would they did they have any prior knowledge
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: of him? Well, he's not based.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Someone had told them that he's off the rails, so
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: they went in to go get them. But the thing is,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: shouldn't there be like so I sort of an official
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: psychiatric evaluation conservative influencer. Ah, he's a conservative influence being
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: held captive in Canadian.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Was trying to wait here.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's watch the video. Put your headphones on because
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: the video is kind of cooky.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: And this is doctor Emory. He's a resident psychiatrist, senior resident.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: He's on a rotation with the CAR eighty seven. We're
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: part of the program that includes Vancouver Coastal Health and.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: The Vancouver Police.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: And what we do is we go to people when
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: there's different reasons that come out. Every case is a
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: little different, and we go to people to see them
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: where they are, especially if there's been issues with trying
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: to find them and talk to them. So in your case,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: I think you were certified under the Mental Health Act.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Just I don't know how long ago, but like maybe
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: three weeks ago or four weeks ago. Were you aware
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: of that Doctor Taylor saw you in a cafe. She
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: didn't certify you. I think you filmed part of it. Okay,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: And this is doctor Emory, he's a writ And then she.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Spoke with your family, got.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: Some more information, and you know you're gonna have to
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: turn out.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Just one one second.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: What the officer just told me is that you know,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: you and I can set up a meeting and we
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: can chat then, So why don't we do that?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm not turning the camera off, and.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I have a legal right to keep the camera on.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 6: If you don't want to make the appointment now, we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: can do it another time.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: But I you know, that's what the officer just asked
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: that we do, So why don't we do that?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to certify you under the Mental Health Act?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: We're going to bring you to a hospital to testing
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: on you, and you're going to talk to a psychiatrist
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: in a controlled environment because we don't believe that you're
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: going to attend an appointment.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You've been I won't attendant.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I've never been given a chance to attend an appointment.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: I've never been uh and then I've never.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: Been given a chance to attend an appointment.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: What is going on?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: I was never given a psyche vow or nothing.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: He just looked at me and.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Said, you're certified.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know why, but it's up to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: the doctor.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: But no, he didn't even give me a he didn't
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: even give me any vowel. He just looked at me
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: and said, I'm certified. Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Please please consider what you're doing, and please think about
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: the fact that I'm more than happy to come into
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: an appointment.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to go through and do everything properly.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, I just I've been completely compliant with everything.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: But listen, that's his call, and unfortunately can he isn't.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: He isn't talking.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: You're you're interacting with me at a very regular stific.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: I've given a chance.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: So I had some eggs and stuff for breakfast this morning. Yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: I didn't put drapes, so I had to tape this
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: up because my window didn't have drapes, and so all
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: night there's just light beaming into my room.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: So I couldn't sleep last night.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: So I demanded that they give.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: Me tape and stuff to put on my windows that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: I could sleep tonight. I'm like one of the only
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: rooms that has no drapes. Oh my god, shingerlaw, baby.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: How fucking strange. It is crazy strange. So here's the thing,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Like this doctor ran into him somewhere and said, I'm
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: certifying you based on what right? And is he really
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: a conservative influencer or is that a narrative? Like I
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: don't understand what that means. Like if you are quote
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: unquote conservative and you have a thousand people on your
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Instagram and you rant and rave, you know, in a manic,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: depressive manner, is that are you a conservative influencer now?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Or is that like rage bait to get them to say, Like,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing, Like Canada has socialized medicine and
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: they also have insane government overreaching exactly, And if there
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: was someone who was a rabble Rouser online and that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: person happened to be acting a little kookie. Wouldn't that
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: be a great time? But meanwhile, how many fucking liberal
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: this is Vancouver, which is like Portland on steroids, Like,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: how many kooky, fucking people on the left are being
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: pulled into mental hospitals and making these similar videos fucking
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: zero Which is a little odd, But it doesn't mean
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: that this guy's not a little off the rails. Because
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: the videos that I saw, see if you can find
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: some videos of him off that they might have been
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: pulled from the internet. But a bunch of people were saying,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: hold on, there's more to this, and then we're showing
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: some of them. Here's the other problem. I don't know
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: if those videos are real. Those videos could be AI.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: You know, in this day and age, it's almost impossible
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: to tell. You could say you have video of this guy.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: You'd say, have this guy screaming shit stuff about what
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: you needing of a vagina in the middle of his back,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: or you could have anything. You could say anything.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: But this is why you gotta be so careful about
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: authoritarianism gepping into government.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is that right there. First of all,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: I don't like his backseat, all that shit, boxes and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: stuff that looks a little kooky like that fits that
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: he might be losing his marbles if he's got, you know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: stacks of stuff, unless he's like eving an office and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: moving stuff and put it in his back seat temporarily.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: It's a weird sign. When the entire backseat is filled
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: with boxes and trash, you might be losing your marbles.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: But he did sound like there's no in my eyes
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: listening to him talk, there's no indication that this guy's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: a threat to himself and he must be institutionalized. That
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: guy's more than capable of speaking in a very rational manner.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: So even if he's nuts, he's not that nuts. There's
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of nutty.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, much more dangerous to me. This is very like
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: we're talking about about the medicalization and everything, and there's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: a trend here of this inhumanity that is really really dark.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you see the ho if you follow
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: the back and forth on you know, with the AI
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: guys on regulating AI and whether AI positive or negative,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: that whole debate, which which did you see AMMI day
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: the anthropic guy. Just in the last few days, there
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: was this he it was. I think it was on
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: one of the other on all In. That's right, someone
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: someone was talking about him wanting to have government like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: hyping up the doom scenario from from from AI.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: These guys that are hyping up the doom of AI
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: are the actual people that were working on it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: This is Gari Amiday, who's the CEO of and the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: founder of Anthropic. And he replied, and so the argument
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: was he's hyping it up because he wants regulation, government
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: regulation that will protect the kind of big incumbents against
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: you know, competition. That was the argument. And then he
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: replied to the argument by saying he's had some stuff
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: about regulation. Then is he did long post on X
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: and the first one was about the regulation. The second
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: one was about actually I'm not that I'm not mister
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: doom when it comes to AH. I've always said it
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: can be really positive. And one of the things he
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: pointed to was this essay that he wrote called Machines
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: of Love and Grace fourteen thousand words, and that was
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: his response to like being characterized as mister negative. When
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you look at this thing, it's so dark, Like he's
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: going on about, well, there'll be no we can foresee
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: a time when human beings can't make useful contributions to
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: the economy, and that people won't have much to do,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: and then they can play video games. And then at
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: one point this is the thing that made me think
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: of it, when he was raising, well what a kid's
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: going to do, and they're saying he starts going about,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: we have things like rittilin, and we know how to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: medicate people when they're depressed. So it's fine if they
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: don't have a sense.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Of the have a sense of worthwill numb them.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Literally, that's what he wrote now and that's what he
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: pointed to as him being missed positive. It's just terrified.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: So this is recently, this is lost within the last week.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, And what is his position in the company?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: CEO is the founder of Anthropic but the main the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: big two.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: The programmers though, are the ones that are leaving and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: writing poetry. They're giving up on society and they're they're
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: hiding and waiting. You know, you hear about that. There's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: one lead programmer that read he wrote some like basically
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: a statement as he was leaving, explaining the impending doom
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: that is coming to civilization and how he's checking out
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna write it out and see what happens.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: But he left the United States. I think he went
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: to Ireland or something like that. Okay, they say he's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: gonna write poetry. Okay, like okay, Like I mean, this
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: is an existential crisis this guy's happening having while he's working,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: working on this thing and realizing this thing is conscious.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things that I feel is
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: so odd about. The two that have been most negative
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: are m Day Dario m A Day's Anthropic and sam
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Oltman Open AI. They're the most negative will have been
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: And if you believe half the things they're saying, they're lies,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: well why are you doing it? Then? If you think
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: this is the end of the human what have I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: know they have dialed it back a bit, But why
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: would you keep building something Peter so bad?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: When Peter Tiel got asked without the human race should survive,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: paused for like fucking fifteen seconds.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: I didn't read this, but that the mention of Riddlin
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: is like a good thing, Like you figured out how
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: to improve ourselves with things like Riddlin, and using AI
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: could potentially make it even better.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that AI will make Riddlin even
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: better on awesome drugs.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, that we'll find better versions of drugs that
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: are better than Riddlin.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: So instead of people finding meaning and purpose in life,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: not just not how it's being talked about. Well, what
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: is he saying?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Why is nothing to do and work and meeting discussion?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: It appears the speculation it's just about the future of neuroscience.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're saying. So what they're saying,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: they're talking about increasing the potency or making these things
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: more effective for mental health interventions using AI. Okay, sos
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: that AI driven biology could enable much greater cognitive and
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: mental health interventions than those available today. That's really wonderful
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: if true. Right, Look, I personally know people that have
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: been saved by SSRIs. Like, I'm not a blanket. SSRIs
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: are bad. I have a friend that was severely depressed
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: and suicidal, and I got him a psychiatrist and he
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: got him out and he eventually got his life back
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: in gear. Weaned himself off him. Now he's great. So like,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: who knows that guy could have made a hasty decision
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: and taken his own life and if he was in Canada,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: they might have probably fucking encouraged it, right, So he's
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: fine now, It's just the problem is they're ridiculously overprescribed,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: and there's another solution. The other solution is a natural
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: human solution. It doesn't involve medication, involves exercise and nutrition
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: and community, and we can all encourage that for free.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: You know, he can fucking do push ups and body
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: weight squads. It doesn't cost you a nickel. You don't
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: have to go to a pharmacy, like all these things,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: all these things are already here. Like why are we
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: developing addictive chemical solutions because they're all addictive, every one
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: of them. I have a good buddy right now who
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: got off of them. He's doing great, and now he's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: back on him again because he is just he's fucked,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: his systems fucked because he's been on it for twenty years.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: And it's scary because I know people that have been
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: on him, that have done rash things and then they
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: just they don't feel like they're themselves anymore. And then
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: there's also the weird sexual side effects, the numbing numbness
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: of the general's inability to have orgasms. There's a lot
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: of fucking weird shits. Actually when there's another solution.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: That's what's so.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: Here's interesting context. According to Snopes, that guy was arrested
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: after he posted.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: After he posted what this document? This is not solicitation.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: If you find this document unattended to not remove it
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: from the property what was placed, unless you're the owner
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: of said property. Removing this document, you criminally liable for
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: indictable offense carrying a penalty of up to ten years
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: in prison. So what is his doget's on Google Docs.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: It's just the brief explanation that's talking about how China
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: and Canada are corrupt and making at It.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Says China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying to
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: turn Vancouver into a dictatorship police date. China has been
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: classified as high risk adversary by all long term democratic
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: security alliances NATO, NORAD, the Five Eyes Alliance, the Canadian
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Center for Cybersecurity, even Carneia himself during elections. Carne has
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: committed treason via secret Chinese policing and law enforce in MoU,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: illegal Chinese police stations in Vancouver, selling Vancouver to China
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: via the Aboriginal peoples on drip, Well, is he right?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: So that's right.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: I have no idea if he's right or not, but
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: that's I was saying. He was not maybe an influencer,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: but a commentary of like sixty seven thousand followers on Instagram.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Oh and this could be why they're saying he's nuts, right,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: I guess because he's he's uncovering some ship that's probably
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: This is exactly out of the mainstream.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: To be listen, the fucking mayor of Arcadia in California.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: They just found out was a Chinese spy. The mayor
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: of a city in California.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Just today there was more about Swallowell and Fang Fang,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: the Chinese book.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: The guy what did he governed? He's like shacked up
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: with wanted.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: To make the joke. So the very first debate, the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: very first TV debate, you know, you're kind of getting
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: read anything, and I really wanted to make a sort
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: of Fang Fang Bang Bang Bang Fang Fang Gang. Oh,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's an obvious joke.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Right, So he admitted to physical relation.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: He denied it for yeah, for all the time denied it.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: So just today he admitted it. I think it's just
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: in the news to well, was he trying to make
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: a comeback. Noah't bang the by whoopsies.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I really wanted to make this joke about him.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: You know, the fang fang it's just so you.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Can't resist it, right, it's a funny name.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Fang fang bang whatever. Anyway, So and then he
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: didn't show up, and I said, well, he denied that.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: It's can I really say that. You know, you got
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: to be fair, You've got to try and be active
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: for you. So but then he didn't show up to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: the debate because he claimed that there was I don't
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: know he had some vote or whatever, but I never
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: got to debate him.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: The idea that this kid in Canada is being brought
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: into UH for mental health evaluation and in prison because
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: he's uncovering that that's not unprecedented. That's that that's believable.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's true. He might also have
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: been a little kookie. This is again I got to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: know the videos that I saw are real. But the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: videos that I again, especially considering what we're talking about now,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: if you were trying to make someone look insane, that
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: was uncovering some real serious corruption with a foreign government. Right,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: which is possible.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Of course it's possible. And also it's America, right, We're
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: in a huge country. It's like beautifully crazy in many ways. Yeah,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: people can think, well, then then they've got the internet
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: and you get people will you know, honestly, all the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: time people are giving me things, you know, they they
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: shoved things in my hand or envelope whatever, and I
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: opened it up every single time because half the time
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: it's something that's you know, something conspiratorial, that isn't right
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: or doesn't seem right. And other times it's like really
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: good ideas. But the point is that that actually are
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: useful or that make me think about something in a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: different way. But the point is that, yes, there's lots
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: of people out there with somewhat crazy ideas. You can't
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: lock them all up.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: It's not just that there's lots of real corruption. Does
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: this guy posts this, and is there been an investigation?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Do we know whether or not this is an act?
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: Has it been completely debunked? Because if it has, oh,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: well then maybe you're right. Maybe he's crazy. Or if
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: it turns out that everything he's saying is true, maybe
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: he's a slightly crazy person who's also uncovering the truth.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Which is like exactly. Sometimes it takes obsessive people.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: There was a premise of that Mel Gibson movie. Yeah
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: he was crazy, but he was actually right. No, which
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: one I think it was called conspiracy Theory? Yeah, was
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: that with Roberts, Julia Roberts. Yeah, it was fun.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Was like a nutty dude who was on the things.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: He's basically like Alex Jones.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: That sounds really interesting.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: But I love that, you know, for the time, a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: little dated. You go watch today like what if we do?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: We want one of the things that I went on
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: the road the whole time, like long drives. It's California,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: and so find some of these every now and again.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: You just want something, you know, so the I you want.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of movies, it turns out that are
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: big parts of American culture that I haven't seen. We
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: watched what was it the other night? Super Bad?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: I've never seen it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it. It's so good.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best comedies all so good.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: I unfortunately tried watching with my kids when they were
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: ten and twelve. I'm like, Okay, sit down and watch
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: this and shut it off after three minutes like this
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: is sorry, I.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Forgot Yeah, brilliant, right, I mean it's not really like
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: funny and a kind of slapstick with a bit of that,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: but it was just really clever just seeing where.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: My kids just sitting in class drawing dicks. It's really funny.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: By the way, could not make that movie today, and
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: the people that would not make that movie today.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: We were literally forget. So my friend Eric, who you
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: just he's on my team. We've become good friends. He's
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: you met me like, that's exactly what we're saying.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Like, you couldn't make sure they got captured. That's the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: problem with being on the team of the left. They
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: got captured by an ideology that destroyed comedy in their world. Right,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: they cannot do that kind of comedy anymore. That kind
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: of nobody believes that you support all the things these
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: people are saying. You just showing a ridiculous human being
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: who's saying some crazy shit and it makes you laugh.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: It's not changing the fucking world. It's not altering anybody's opinions,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: and it's not going to force people to do anything
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: that they wouldn't have ordinarily do. No good person is
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: going to watch that movie and want to go out
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: and do bad things. That's not how it works. It's
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: just a piece of art. It's just like you know,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. Okay, it's a
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: fucking piece of art. It's a piece of art, and
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: it's a piece of art that we have fucked up.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: It's particularly movies, because movies are attached to Hollywood, and
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: then stand up comedy fortunately has an out and because
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: of the Internet, we don't need Hollywood anymore. So, but
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: because of that we now get labeled right wing, especially
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: stand up comedy that's like not adherent. And I don't
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: want to call it anti woke because that's silly, because
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: it's not anti woke. It's just comedy. Yeah, it's just
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: like woke doesn't allow certain substs.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: It's just it should be anti establishment and the when
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: the establishment is taken over by an ideology, it happens
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: to be that. But you go the other way when
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: it's the people in power, is supposed to be against
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: the people in power.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be what is fun enough? What is funny? Yeah,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: across the board and as soon as you say no,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: you can't make fun of this anymore. Why why, it's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: a religion. It's basically like, it's blasphemy to make fun
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: of whatever you whatever. Ridiculous. Yeah, and that killed that
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: kind of movie. Yeah, Yeah, those fucking movies were everywhere.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, The Hangover.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: There was always a movie like that. Fucking there's so many.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them I haven't seen. We were
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: just talking about it the other Yeah.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: The Centauri Detectives. The Chemist was about a transgender woman
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: and you find out she's transgender, and everybody throws up up.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: No, I honestly, detective No, I know. We got to
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: do a list for the.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Watching money hall Over there fucking Benny Hill.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Reruns my favorite Benny Hill thing. I'm not saying this,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't the first. There's someone that there's a
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: friend of mine at Fox. She's called Kennedy. She's very
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: fun and she used to always remember Janet Yellen, Yes
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: she was. She always called her Benny Hill. And then
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: the minute I saw that that I saw a picture
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: of the next time, I just couldn't care.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Kennedy was an MTV v J. She's great, and then
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: she became a Republican talking head on Fox. I was like,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: that's nuts.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: She's a real libertarian though, but.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting Like someone's like on MTV with like
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: a girl with glasses on you like, oh, progressive for sure,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: and then winds up on.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: But she's cool, she's libertarian, she seems very smartt she's great,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: very funny. She does Freedom Fest. She's like, that's she's
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: a big part of that. She's great.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: How did she go from being a VJ? Like, I
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, here's the next fucking you know she's from.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: She's great.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: She used to Yeah, Betty Hill, that's funny.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: But I love the comedy thing, like that's another joy actually,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: so I used to really So Eric's rerilling into Luis
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: c K. So I've I've seen a bit of him obviously,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: but I've watched a lot now. He's so great. I mean,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: we've really enjoyed that.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Brilliant comedian, brilliant, brilliant and yeah I did some fucking
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: but but the way they described it was so different
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: than the actual acts themselves.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: His response to it was brilliant. That show where he
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: addressed it, uh huh was so good.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: He had a weird kink where he wanted people to
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: watch him jerk off and he would ask them and
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: if they said yes, he would do it. Look, I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: don't think you should do that. I think it seems
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: crazy to be standing in front of a couple of
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: girls and jerking off from him. But I'm not him, okay.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: And I also didn't say if I said no, open
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: the door, let me out, and then you wouldn't let
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: me out. That's a different story. But that's not what
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: anybody is alleging. It's just kind of gross and weird.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: And I think he would probably admit to that.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: But you know, he did, and yeah, did very funny.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I thought it was brilliant. I can't remember exactly, but
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the first big show he did after that, when he
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: sort of returned from like being his art though.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Is like what you gotta judge, Like what is he
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: as long as he's not done? Did what like Bill
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Cosby did like that, that's a completely different thing.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did seem that it was a kind of systematic,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: like really machine like a predatory thing that was just
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: a ongoing.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: It was a weird kink. Yeah, hit a weird kink.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: You wanted to jerk off in front of people like, okay,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: it it's so look, I get that people to be upset.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: And if you don't want to watch his comedymore, I
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: get that too. That's fine. Everybody has that's your progative.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: But like the comedy itself is some of the best
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: comedy that's ever been written. It's exactly ever been done. Yeah,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: he's one of the best to ever do it. I mean,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: if you have a top whatever group.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Of comedian, you will kind of gang here.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: How do you like, Well, he's in New York, but
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: he actually helped me design the club. He came when
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: it was bare bones, and we went over the club
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: and he gave me a bunch of great suggestions and
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I implemented all of them. The smaller rooms are named
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: after the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasagi.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: So it's a Fat Man and Little Boy or our rooms.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: There's a reason for that. The reason is actually that
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: because it's the Comedy Mothership, it's a UFO based comedy club.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: The UFOs really started showing up in America after the
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: nuclear bomb. So once the nuclear weapons program was implemented
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: in the nineteen forty, the mount of UFO sightings went
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: through the roof, and the real big ones were like Roswa,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: New Mexico, which is forty seven, so right after the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: war they started. So this is like part of Ufo folklore.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: So that's why we did it. That's why we named
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: him after the nuclear and not making light of people
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: dying in horrific nuclear bombs. So he told me to
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: make the stage smaller in the little room. It was
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: a great idea. I was like, right, mih, is the
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: stage so big a small room? And then he also
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: said can you it was already a low ceiling. He's like,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: can you lower it more? I'm like, we could lower it,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: like right to the top of that door. It's like,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: you should do that. And he gave me some advice
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: on sound deadening in the room and what to do
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: and make it, you know, how to make the sound
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: crystal clear, and just greve awesome advice. And the beautiful
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: thing about that club is I took advice from every
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: comedian that was in town. I'd bring them there, I'd go,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: tell me what you think, what would you want, Like
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to design a comedy club, I'll literally
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: let you like, just tell me what to thing, and
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: we ran through a vote. So there's a whole group
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: of us and it was like me and Brian Simpson,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe and and all these guys that
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: were good friends of mine that we performed with all
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: the time. We all just sat around. None of the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: ideas were like I think we should do this. I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: didn't do that with any of them. I said, tell
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: me what you guys want to do, like, and they
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: were like, you should have this, Like, okay, we'll do that.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: We should have monitors in the greenroom, we should see
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: the guy on stage. Okay, let's do that. What else
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: and everything anybody said? We did. We should have free
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: mental health services for all the employees. So we did that.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: So free availability for counseling, psychiatry, we have that, or psychologists.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: They they can all go to counselors. So's that's free healthcare,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: take care of everything. Give the comedians way more money
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: than any other club does. We did that. Were just like,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: what do what does everybody want? What does everybody want?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, and let's do it in a way.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: We're just trying to make the best thing possible. We're
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: not doing it like let's make the most money. We're
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: just trying to not lose money. So let's just do
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: it that way. And it worked, and it worked because
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: of people like Luis k Yeah, and all these people
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: that came by and gave us advice and told us,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: you know what, they think fantastic. So yeah, so Louis great.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I love him, This fucking really smart guy. But like
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of smart guys, he's fucking weird. You know
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of people.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: I think that about these ai.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: I want to be a great comedian, you have to
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: be a fucking weirdo. You know. They're all just weird
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: in different ways. Chappelle's weird in his way, you know,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Chris Rock's weird in his way, Hinchcliff's weird in his way.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: They're all weird. Shane's weird. Everyone's an incredible.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: Thing to do, honestly, just it's like, really, in a
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: tiny way, I'm not even comparing it, but I'm comparing
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: this in terms of what I'm doing, which is you've
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: got to go there and you've got I don't know,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: I just have viewed the other just in the last
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: few days. You've got hundreds of people and you got
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: to entertain them. Now I'm mainly talking about politics, which
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: is much easier because you've got, you know, material that's
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: just and out there and it's but it's there, and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: you've got to keep them entertained. You can't be boring,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: you can't like and it's you know, you've got to
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: give a good show. Yes, And so the thought of
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: doing that and being funny for all of it instead
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: of what I do, which is throw in the odd joke,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: you know, political joke or something, or self deprecating joke,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: you know, but that's just that's nothing.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: But it's you're not focusing on that. If you focus
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: on that, you could do it.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: No. But I'm just saying, I now really appreciate how
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: hard it is.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: Just it is, and it isn't Joey Diaz has the
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: greatest saying, because it's the fucking hardest, easiest thing you'll
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: ever do. Okay, because when you're flowing, it's easy. You know,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: when you're up there and you're killing, it's so easy.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: It's hard constructing the material.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, a lot of preparation.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of preparation, and that there's a lot
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: of time you have to spend alone thinking, and then
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: you have to spend a lot of time bullshitting with
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: your friends because sometimes, like the room conversations, some of us,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: like Brian Simpson said something the other day and we're like,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: write that down, yeah, write that down for each other,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: like right, dude, that's a bit, that's one hundred percent
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: a bit. And he started doing it on stage and
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: it's killing Like that happens too, and it's like the
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: camaraderie and the fun of like being together like a
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: bruise comedy. Yeah, but you also need time in front
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: of the fucking computer of the notebook. You need to
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: be sitting there going over your stuff. If you don't
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: do that, you're not going to come up with new material.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: And then you have to try it out, and you
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: have to be willing to like trot it out there.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: You have this idea, it's only existed in your head
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: and you're kind of convinced that there's something there, but
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: you're not totally sure. You're like, what do you think
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: about this? And you just throw it out there and
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's great and it's like fifty to fifty. Sometimes
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: it's dog shit, and but it's fifty to fifty to
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: what I bring to the stage, whether it's even got life,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: but writing it down, it's like not even It's like,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like the Canadian healthcare system for made,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: It's like what twenty of twenty.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: It's just really no. I think it's well, I totally
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: appreciate what you're saying, but it's very I mean to me,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: it seems the ultimate you're just putting yourself out there.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: You're definitely putting yourself out there, but you're also doing
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: it this way too, Like when you're having conversations, maybe
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: you're putting yourself out there even more because you're actually
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: putting out your opinions, and some of them you had
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: no idea you were going to discuss. So you're just
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: trotting it out there thinking about loud in front of
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: millions of people, like we're doing right now when you're
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: doing stand up, Like, I know these by the time
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: anyone sees me perform at a club where they're paying money,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: most of those bits I've been doing. So I've been like,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to add to them and hone them
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: and say them the right way and move the order around.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: So I love about it because I really do love it.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: And that's why I've really enjoyed, said Eric, really into it,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: and he's showing me a lot of comedians I didn't
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: know about, and it's I just I love words and
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: language anyway. You know, I've written but in completely different
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I've written books and whatever TV scripts when I did
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: my show, that kind of thing. So I really appreciate language,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: and I love just how changing the order of a
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: word or whatever can just make something work or not work.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, changing the order of a word, changing the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: way you do. Sometimes you do a joke like Louis
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: used to do that where he would like reverse a
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: joke like turn it around, and then maybe he would
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: like take it and do his best joke and open
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: with it so that his jokes afterwards had to get
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: better to follow his best joke. Yeah, it's a constant,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: little fucking laboratory up there, and you need the audience
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: in order to find the life.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Do you see their faces? Like can you see? Or
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: the lights too much in your face? Can you see
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: See most of the first few rows.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: Right, because that's important, it must be fit.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: It helps. Yeah, it definitely helps the not.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Just listening to the volume of laughs is it? Like?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: What is it? There's both things, but obviously they're they're
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: there to have a good time. You've but my job
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: is easier because I'm going on after they're already laughing, right,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: so there's been a few people on before me. Everybody's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: having a good time. And then you're you're basically just
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: connecting with them. You know, you find them, what's up?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: How are you you? Like, let them get comfortable, You
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: connect with them, and then you're just doing the material.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: You're just finding the reality. You have to be like
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: whatever you're saying, you have to be one percent thinking
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: about that thing. Oh yes, you can't be thinking and
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna say it like that. No, you have
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: to be thinking about the thing, and that's it. That's
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: the primary thought. You know, the pacing of it. You
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: know what's coming next, but you don't think about what's
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: coming next. You think about the thing. That's where preparation
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: is important. They have to make sure that you exactly
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: have a set list and order, but you also have
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: to be flexible because there's gonna be moments where you
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: want to like dive out of that set order, and
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: something might happen in the audience or something might come
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: up and you have another thing, another take, and you're like,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: this would go better right here, so I'll shove this
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: in here, and then you have to remember your order
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: and go, I didn't do this, I'll put that later.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: It's so funny it's it's not the same, but there's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: a similarity because you know, I do all these things,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: and you've got bits really, which is my thing on
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: high speed rail and you know I and sometimes and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: there's a long version of it and a short version
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: of it, and like and then suddenly you'll find yourself
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: doing it even though I hadn't intended to, right and
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: then oh shit, that's like really long, and I've got
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: to finish, Like what am I going to cut? So
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: it's sort of I mean, it's not the same, but
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: it's similar.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: It's similar.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: And I definitely find Trump does bits, oh yeah, and
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: he I mean it goes on for so I've never
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: done thing that long.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: But remember when he just did this impromptu bit about
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Biden losing himself on stage, just wandering around not knowing
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: where he was, Like he's doing stand up, like everyone's
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: lacking exactly.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: But I find it much better. I much prefer it
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: when you can you're closer to the people, like physically,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: when you can you're not on some stage away, you
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: know that kind of thing.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, comedy club's a way to do it. That's the
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: real way. However, there's something very intimate about doing an
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: arena in the round. Okay, so I've done a bunch
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: of those where you're standing on a circular stage in
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: the center of the people. And what's intimate about that
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: is all the people over here are looking at all
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: the people over here. Everybody sees Yeah, interesting, you see
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: each other. It's the right way to do it because
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: that way, everybody's seeing everybody else having fun, and they're
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: a lot closer than you think they're. They're all right there.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, but it all the comedy
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: like sprays out to the outer edges. But the center
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: hive all around the stage, which is thousands of people
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: and a sixteen thousand seed arena. You're looking in the
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: eyes of six thousand people plus. Yeah, and it's like
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: they're all seeing each other. It's very intimate, oddly great.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: It's fun as opposed to like a big arena when
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: you're standing on a very high stage and the people
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: are all out there. Yeah, that feels crazy. Yeah, that
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: feels very detached. That's that's a different That's not my favorite.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: That's my least favorite. It's an arena where it's just
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: a flat stage and you're not like surrounded by them.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree, it feels like you're just delivering something
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: rather than connecting exactly.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: But a theater can be pretty intimate too, Like, especially
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: when you're used to doing arenas. If I do like
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: a three thousand sea theater, It's okay, it's kind of intimate.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: It's like it's all what you're comfortable with too. That's
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: a part of it too, It's like, are you comfortable
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: with all these people staring at you?
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: I never you see, that's the weird thing I would
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: never have. Suddenly I'm doing I've never done it before, right,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: and suddenly you have all these you know, and it's amazing.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love the response, but it's it is
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: weird because I've gone from nothing to write this and
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: you go in a room like hundreds of people like cheering.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest crowd you've had to speak in front of?
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Probably, Well, probably when I did Meghan Kelly's show when
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly was here, Yeah, not here in California, and
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: I did. I did a spot there.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: I did The Unknown Bakersfield.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: It was in an arena in Bakersfield.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: The announcement for the UFC Wighans, So the I am
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: C the weighans at the ellipse on the White House.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Oh so it was eighty thousand people. That was fucking nuts.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: That was the most people I've ever talked to, right,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: And that was a very different way of talking because
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: all I'm doing is reading people's names in their official way.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: It's very easy. Yeah, you know, it's just hyping it up,
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: getting everybody pumped up. Yeah you know, you know, like
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: Ladies Iliah tall Poria and it comes out and everybody
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: goes crazy. It's easy. But it's the vibe. The feeling
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: of eighty foul some people is fucking nuts. It's a
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: weird feeling, you know. Shane Gillis, my buddy, just did
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Stand Down. He sold seventy six thousand Philadelphia. Yeah, phill
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: a fucking football stadium. That had to be insane to
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: do that easy.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to. It's it's you'd get the people.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy thing to do. I don't know if
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: I could do that easy. It's not easy. He broke
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: the world record and is huge and he's really funny.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: He's like one of the funniest guys.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good example. I've never seen him before.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe get him to come down tonight. I don't know
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: if he's there, he is in town. That was the
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: first thing, this bit about George Washington's museum, I don't think.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's one of my I would request
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: it from him all the time, like, please do that bit.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: It's so fun about George Washington's false teeth being made
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: out of lead. It's such because they were it's such
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: a crazy bit. It's so good. He's he's a great
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: comedian and that's all he cares about. That's what he loves.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: And he's like all in just an awesome guy too.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: When you're around him, he's just so fun and like
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: everyone always smiles you're around him. He's he's like he's contagious,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know, he's a contagious party, great fun guy. But like,
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: we're really lucky that there's a lot of those guys here.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: Now you know this is like, this is a giant
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: hive of them.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: Now, well you've built that.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: Well we all did, you know, we all can't.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: No, I hear what you're saying that they contributed, but well.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: They had to be here for me to be able
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: to do it. This is not a thing that I
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: could have ever done and said, hey, everybody move here now,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: it's not it. It never worked. They had to already
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: be here. Everybody moved here before I even had a club,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of them. Okay, yeah, like Cigura moved here
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: before I had a club.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: An endemic thing, yes, like getting out of places with ridiculous.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, getting out of places and going to a place
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: where you can actually perform. We're all addicts, you know.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Stand up comedy is a very very addictive thing. And
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: if there's a place where you can go, where you
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: can do it and your friends already lived there, and
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: for me it was Ron White and it was also
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: there's a thing about the freeness of the city, like
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: the freeness of Texas, the freedom that you had here
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: to be able to go to a restaurant, your businesses
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: could stay open. They didn't put the same kind of
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: restrictions they had a small lockdown for a short amount
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: of time, and they were Okay, let's get back to work,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: and they did. And California's like where God, I'll die
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: and they fucking you know, still driving around their cars with.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: The must I know, it's so crazy. I remember. It's
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: so funny thinking about because all this were I was
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: reminded all of this of the Fauci stuff the other day.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: The Fauci stuff.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: That's wild because I was really honestly, I mean, I'm
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I did this show on Fox News. I
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: would never say I'm a journalist, right ever, it was
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: an opinion show. I just said what I thought. But
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: I did do some like one piece of journalism, like
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: actual journalism, which is the Fauci stuff. It's infury. You know,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: the origin of the virus, I really did, you know,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: lay that all out in the way that no one
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: else did, because I had these people I knew at Stanford.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: I talked at Stamford, so a lot of that information
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: about Fauci and the origin and all of that I
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: had and people helped me piece it together. And it's
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: just infuriating that he's still infuriating.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing that just infuriating to me. Thing
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: was that he knew about the miscarriagters during the first trimester.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: He knew about that, and he was still promoting it
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: for pregnant women. Like how many women listened to him
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: and got vaccinated and then had a miss carriage. I mean,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: we don't even know what the numbers are, right, because
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: those are never reported as vaccine injuries. We have no idea.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: Just I mean, I was listening to who did you
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: have on the other week? That lady who wrote the
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: book you got into it with her? She had a
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: book you're talking about. I can't remember. She's like an
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: investigative Annie Jacobson.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, about the germ warfare, about the warfare.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: So I was just listening to that, and then I
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: did that.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: We didn't really get into it, like a little.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: Bit on just on the origins and the and the
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: gain of function and all that.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: Oh well, she just probably was trying to be politically
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: correct and probably not well anyway, so trying to sell
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: books or something.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. All I remember thinking is I wanted
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: to is that it's still not I don't think understood
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: how directly Fauci was implicated, like it's still you hear
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: this language of oh he you know he funded the
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: gain of fund, know he he pushed it. This was
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: his thing. He really really was the main global champion
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: of gain of function.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: Not only that he enforced the narrative that this was
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: not a lablik and that a lab talking about it
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: as a lableak was racist.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did the thing that I remember when I
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: first laid that out, and it was you know, it's
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: still on the way on my Wikipedia. I pushed the
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that you know, Fauci did the virus, but
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: he did the well. I always try and show people
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: like when they say, wow, why would he do something
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: like that? He was really the main advocates. There's a
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: piece he wrote I always start with this, which is
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's December twenty eleven. Because gain the Function
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: had been around a few years. They started with the
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: ferrets or whatever, and they had this new technique Ralph
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: Barrett and all of that, and then it became very
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: controversial in the scientific community. Had a whole bunch of
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: scientists saying this is crazy, this is going to lead
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: to a pandemic. Have people saying that, and faut she
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: argued back, and he wrote this piece at the end
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: of twenty eleven with the other guy, Francis Collins, who
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: ran the NIH saying engineering, I think it's almost exactly
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Engineering a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory is a
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: risk worth taking. He wrote that he was pushing this
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: stuff and like the thing that everyone it was his initiative.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't he like passively funded this thing that some
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: other minions were doing. This was his big thing. Yeah,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: it's just outrageous that it hasn't been and he broke
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: the rules. That's the other part that people forget that
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: Obama in twenty fourteen put a moratorium on it which
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: included stuff that was already in train, which included the
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: project that led to COVID. And then again people often say,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: well Trump lifted the moretorum. He did, but he put
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: back a new thing, which was it was called the
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: Potential Pandemic Pathogens Thing Protocol, which said that when you
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: renew a project it should go to independent reviews. He
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: broke that as well. So he broke the rules to
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: push this and he's like still not really had to
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: pay any price for him, unless you say his reputation.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the reputation, but he's also so old that he's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: not working anymore anyway. But the thing about it was
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: that pardon that gave him a pardon for crimes he
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: had not been convicted for, which had never happened before,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: a preemptive pardon for and also for ten whole years
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: for everything he did. He could have been eating babies
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: for ten years, and like, no pardon, fine, And then
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: when you have a pardon, you're not supposed to be
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: able to plead the fifth and yet he pleaded the
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: depth with everything, including the color of his fucking tie.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: It's just disgusting.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: He's a strange guy, and the fact that he was
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: a hero really shows how sick people were in twenty
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: twenty looking for some sort of a solution. But they
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: didn't know his history, they didn't know what he did
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: during the AIDS crisis. He's a scary person.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he scares arrogance of it. And the thing
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: that I'm also really get really pissed off about still
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: is when you hear the conversation around this on going
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: back now to the lockdowns and all of that and
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: the school closures that was such a disaster business as
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: judges and people say, well, we didn't really know and
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: it was early and we were just being we did know.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's not true. I did a piece March twenty twenty,
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: like right, it was in the before the end of
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: fifteen days to slow the spread right at the beginning,
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: because I got to know through Stamford, Jay Batter Charier,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: John you need is all these guys that were speaking out.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: They did a blood what they would call it Sarah
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: prevalence thing in Santa Clara County where this whole thing
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: started proving everything that we now knew and including what
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: Fauci now we know from the whatever is diary knew
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Though Santa Clara Clara County. Is this the two doctors
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: that they went public with this and then they lost
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: their license.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: And different This is Jay and John you need it
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: they were.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: The So I know about Jay, and the crazy thing
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: about him was that he was one of the people
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: that was kicked off of Twitter. Correct, yes, yeah, which.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: Is when worse than that kicked out, really persecuted by Stanford.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: They need to be held accountable. That was a crazy thing.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: So the first lockdown in the country was Santa Clara
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: county in one of the bay Aera counties. Then the
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: next day the other Bayera counties did it, and then
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: after that Gavin did state why that's well started. And
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: the woman who pushed it was the public health God,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked about this for ages, the public health
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: director or whatever of Santa Clara County, Sarah Cody, and
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: she was married to the head of Stamford Medicine, and
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Jay spoke out against what was going on with actual data.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: They did a study of what was happening in the
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: community that proved that the case fatality rate was far
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: lower than what they're saying.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it was also in the leaked emails all of
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: he was aware that it was far lower, and he
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: was still promoting it exactly.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: But the point is that this is again corruption because
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: he was speaking out against the lockdowns that were pushed
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: by this woman, Sarah Cody, her husband, who was head
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: of Stanford Medicine, persecuted Jay. He was treated so badly.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: They suspended him, they accused him of they had some
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: bullshit investigation into him. Outrageous that no one's ever done
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: anything about that, as far as I can tell, Stanford.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: No, it's uh it's creepy to watch that top down
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: power in action when you know that they're lying, and
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: when you're seeing these lines and emails. Yeah, the Fauci
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: thing is very creepy when it just shows you why
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: he was pushing for that pardon. But then there's a
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: question of whether or not that pardon's even legitimate because
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: it's all autopen stuff. Yea, and Biden was out of
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: his fucking mind.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: Like, But the thing I always think is also this
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: the state levels. So he's a federal pardon, right, so
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: states are going to but then there's this immunity if
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: you're doing stuff in your public role, you can't be
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: sued for that or something.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, well, I mean he lives in Hell.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: I mean he knows. But I think he's a bit
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: of associate. I think there's something about him, like when
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: he was prescribing people AZT for AIDS. He's a doctor.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: He's well aware that AZT was pulled as a cancer
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: medication because it was killing people quicker than cancer. They
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: were using it as chemotherapy and people are dying faster,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: and so they already had this FDA approved drug and
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: so this new gay cancer I mean They literally were
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: calling it the gay cancer. First, they just started giving
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: it to them, like, well, we have a medication for it,
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: And Fauci's on record saying the reason why we prescribe
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: AZT is because it's the only medicine it's both safe
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: and effective effective of what affected killing asymptomatic people. They
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: were also using the same playbook that they used during
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: COVID by using these testing methods that had an enormous
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: amount of false positives. Like Carrie Mullis himself was there's
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: a video of him. He's the guy who invented PCR testing.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: He's talking about Fauci Fauch Do just know what the
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: fuck he's talking about. He's like, he's a bureaucrat. The
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: guy's full of shit. He doesn't know that you should
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: never use it a p to determine whether or not
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: someone is ill. He's like, it's not how worse because
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: if you ramp up the cycles enough you could find anything.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: And that's what they did during COVID. They found like
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: it's eighty something percent false positives. Fortunately, a lot of
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: those people weren't forced to take AZT, but there's a
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people that turned positive for HIV that probably
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: didn't have it at all. They gave them mazy tea
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: and they were fucking dead. And this is the He's
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: the villain in The Dowers Buyers Club, that movie with
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey. It's all about people who have aides seeking
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: alternative treatments and being denied them because he was trying
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: to find a vaccine for it. Even back then, they
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: were testing the vaccine for it on fucking foster kids
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: and killing them in New York. It's all in the
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: RFK Junior's book. And again, if his books lies, how
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: come he has them ensued.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: It's really amazing how it's able to get away with
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: stuff that's.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: Truly truly evil. Yeah, I mean testing the AIDS vaccine
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: on foster kids it's crazy, and them dying it's crazy.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: But don't know how you know what determines, you know,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: when the sort of the media mindset towards something or whatever.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: That means that this story gets attention and massive.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's really simple. It's really simple. Pharmaceutical drug commercials.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: All that would change if they're not allowed to advertise.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: We're one of two countries in the fucking world that
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on television. One of them
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: is New Zealand, and they're far more restrictive than us.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: And because of that, look you have ads that you
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: see that are playing on CNN that are not even
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: for a drug that's commonly used for some weird conditions.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: You know, persuade you. You've got the con.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: That's what they're really doing is not selling drugs. What
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: they're really doing is making sure that CNN does never
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: talk shit about the pharmaceutical with drug companies, and doesn't
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: do any stories on the adverse side effects, and doesn't
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: do any stories about how many of them get pulled
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: by the FDA that initially get approved and they find
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: such horrific side effects they have to pull them because
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: it's a large percentage. It's fucking nuts, man, And it's
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: who was it that brought it up, that was explaining
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: how you know, he had figured out a long time
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: ago that the reason why they spend so much money
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: on advertising is not because they're trying to sell drugs.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: They're trying to buy these networks. Interesting what makes sense.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: It's an enormous part of their ad budget, right, and
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: they spend so much money on television and who the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: fuck is watching CNN at this stage of the game.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: You know, what are their numbers? Their numbers are pretty
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: piss poor for the amount of money that these drug
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: companies are spending. And then you see so many ads,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: so many for this, and everyone's always at a barbecue.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: I always having fun.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: They're having fun. And like, there was a brilliant parody
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: that Nicol Shanahan did when she was with Bobby running.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: She did brilliant once for TDS Do you suffer from
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome? That she did like a farmer
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: ad brilliant. It was really really great. That's so crazy.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: But the thing I was thinking of when you like
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: the you know, when you're got really dark human consequences.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: So like, you know, obviously I'm focused on it because
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: he's my opponent, But the story of Besserah and the kids,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: the migrant kids, it's a story that I bring it
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: up to people and a lot of people have never
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: heard about it, Like literally no idea, what is the story?
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: When he was Bob he had job, Bobby's job, and
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: Bobby gan his job at HHS secretary and you had
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: it was during the four years you had the open board,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: and the way it works is that I had millions
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: of people come across the open border. We don't know
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: exactly how many, but the kids, unaccompanied kids are the
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: responsibility of HHS. That's how the system works, so he
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: was responsible for them. And the total number we know
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: because it's recorded four hundred and seventy nine thousand kids
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: unaccompany kids without parents. It's an amazing number. In the
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: four years of the Biden administration. All of those kids
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: were like Javier Bessra's responsibility, so they had they were overwhelmed.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: They set up these camps. Do not know any of this.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: They have these camps they set up to process the
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: kids in Florida, Texas. There are three in California, and
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: the point was to try and get the kids to
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: a safe sponsor, relative, someone who look after them. And
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: they had so many they were overwhelmed, and there's really
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: bad stuff going on in the camps. There were reports
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: of sexual abuse the older kids. You know, some of
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: the older kids were like, you know, seventeen year old
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: rough you know, some were gang members whatever. So there
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: was all this ship going on in the camps. Sexual abuse,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: physical abuse, It was bad, and it was like pictures
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, like we went to one then Pomona,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: one of the exhibition halls, like one hundred and fifty
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: kids on cots. It was bad. And so Besserah wants
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: these kids out because it looks bad. And they'd gone
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: on and on about kids in cages with Trump, and
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: so he basically and we've now got these whistle blows
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: coming forward, and New York Times reported it. The New
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: York Times broke this story. But it's just basically not
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: gone anywhere. They did it in twenty twenty three that
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: he dismantled the vetting that was supposed to put the
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: kids with a safe place, and so they lost track
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: of thousands of kids and many went to child sex traffickers,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: slave labor, child labor traffickers, just horrific stories.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: You had the what was the rationale for it?
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: Because they were too they weren't moving them out of
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: the camps quickly enough. So we had a whistleblower come
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: to us because these people said, how can he be
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: governor who said we were supposed to connect the kids
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: with the responsible adult, check their identity, ID checks, home visits,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: all this. But the instruction was it's going too slowly.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: We got to get the kids out, she said, speed
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: over safety. And so when they raised flags about it,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: like two hundred kids sent to an address that turned
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: out to be a container lot, like not a real address,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: it's just a front for traffickers, a kid sent to
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: a woman who was wanted by Interpol like a gang member,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: like just crazy stories. When they raised those stories, they
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: were fired, like it's really terrible what happened. And still there,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, HHS just published them because they were still responsible.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Numbers from I think it was two weeks ago that
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: there's three hundred and thirty thousand that they're still missing.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: They don't know where they are. Forty kids died, Like
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: it's really bad. And yet it's like Fouch's like he's
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: the candidate for governor. No one's really calling him out
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: on it. It's amazing to me, it's really bad. Joe, Honestly,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: you've got.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. You've got to be responsible for that
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: many kids and say speed over safety.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: So there's a story again, the whistle blow we've put
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: about the videos. I mean, some people, you know, this
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: woman said she was a caseworker at Pomona and Bessarah
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: actually visited that camp visited, did a photo, p whatever,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: and he's going on about how we're doing a good
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: job of finding safe places whatever. And then the interviewer
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: I was at the take. She didn't she's in a
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: job where she doesn't want retaliation. So I was there
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: for the two hours we taped the conversation and the
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: interviewer asks her, did anything change after Bessarah's visit. She said, yeah,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: everything was had to speed up, and they had strike
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: teams that were set up to tell us, don't check that,
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: you know. When she would say, this idea is obviously
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: a fake ID for this person, like the photos, like
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: a selfie, it's obviously fake. Don't worry, just send them quick,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: get them out really bad christ And even the New
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: York Times story had a boy who she had a
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: few examples because she tracked them down. She want to
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: pull it. Surprise for it. A kid who ended up
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: in a I don't know, a meatpacking plant, thirteen fourteen
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: year old had his arm ripped off in Our Girl.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: One of those she came forward as a whistleblower, a victim.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: She was on camera. She said she's telling the story.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: She was like put on a plane and they said,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: you know what happens. They didn't let her take her stuff.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: She was met at the other end. She said, there's
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: a there's three guys. They She has no idea who
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: these people are. She's from. I think Guatema gets in
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: a car with three guys, no idea, taken to a house.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: She has to work twenty hours a day, sleep on
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: the floor with four guys in a room. She's a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: girl from you know, it's just and there's so many
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: of these stories, Bobby. The way Bobby puts it is
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: that Besserah turned HHS into the largest child trafficking operation
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: in history. Holy fuck. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: And this guy is running for the running for California.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: I remember, honestly, Joe, like when we did these debates,
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you're we did a lot and not just
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: debates but forums, and you meet and I thought he's
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: a nice you know, I'd see him with chat backstage
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I thought, you know, he's kind of nothing.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: He's a bureaucrat type person, nice guy, perfectly, nice, smiley,
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: he's a nice, amiable guy. And I just thought he's
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: like an amiable nonentity. But the more you learn about this,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: it's like really bad because it's a classic thing with
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: these career politicians. Obviously all that mattered was I don't
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: want to look bad. I don't. We've got all these kids,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: they're in these camps, the media has access to them.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: It's really making me look bad. Get these kids out.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: It's just shocking. Oh my god, it's shocking. That's so evil.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so and it's also really racist.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: All of them were Latin.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you think about it, if that was all
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: kids from Norway, little young boys and girls from Norway,
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: do you think they would treat them the same way.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: So Pomona where this camp was, there were three in
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: it in California, Long Beach, San Diego and Pomona. So
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: the caseworker who did she was she said there's a
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: notorious child sex trafficking street area near that. She said,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: before this, most of the girls were African American black girls.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: After the camp, suddenly it was all Latina girls, Like
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: it was just so obvious that that was what was happening,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: child sex trafficking.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, if there's child sex traffickers and there's such an
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: obvious vulnerability like hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied kids making
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: across the border. Of course they're gonna sneak in.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly the whole Can I just that one other thing?
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: The boy the I mean they took away there something.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: They had these papers that they would send them off with,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: and it had a line that's information on it, which
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: included a hotline that they set up if the kids
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: felt they were in danger. It took kind of trafficking
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: hot line. There were sixty five thousand unanswered calls to
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: the hot line, just a bullshit like thing that didn't work.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: And again the people who pointed that out were fired.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: Oh really bad.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: It's like to me, the people that pointed it out
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: were fired.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: It's just this is to men't you know. I've been
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: in and around politics, media, government one way another for
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: a long time. I've never seen anything like this.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: And He's like, it doesn't even seem like it could
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: be real. That's why I thought the numbers are so crazy.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: It's like some sort of a conspiracy theory. It's easily
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: disproven exactly well.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: In the first reporting of it was the New York
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: Times twenty twenty three. Holy Shirt and everything that's coming
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: out is it's worse even than that.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: What do you think was going on with the whole
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: open border.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: I think that they it's I think they believed that
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: any kind of restriction on immigration was racist, and therefore
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: it was part of the ideology around that that we
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: can't put people are coming and they're fleeing bad conditions,
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: and you can't stop them because it's racist to put
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: restrictions on immigration. I think that's what it was mainly.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that is a great way to justify flying
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: people into swing states and then trying to turn them
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: into citizens, which is what they were actively talking about doing.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: Pelosi talked about that, Schumer talked about that. They talk
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: about getting these people's citizenship, which means those people can vote.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: There's also moving them into these swing states. And if
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: you move them into the swing states, the census doesn't
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: count whether or not you're a citizen. The census counts
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: whether or not you're a human being, and so it
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: changes the number of congressional seats that are available. So
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: there's that, and then there's also putting these people on
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: free healthcare and giving them money and setting them up.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: And then if you can get those people to vote,
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: eventually you've got a built in voter and you could
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: change Like, I don't know about that. Whatever million people
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: got in over the last four years, they're not going
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: to vote for Trump. How many if you can make
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: those people vote, if you can let those people vote,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: how many of those people are going to vote for
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: the Republicans that wanted to get rid of them with ice?
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: And how many of them are going to vote for
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: the Democrats that wanted to fund them and help them
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: get across the border. It's pretty simple. Even if you
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: don't get all of them, you're going to get most
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think that? I mean, I hear that often.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: This is what Elon thinks.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: It seems to be that so dark and cynical.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: Well, if they wanted to do to the whole country
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: what they've done to California and have complete and total
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: control with one party, well they've already done it in
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: a state, why not just implement it through the entire
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: country in California. You can't show ID it's illegal, that's great.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? Why would you do that?
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: There's only one reason you want to cheat?
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: And we've got vote ID on the ballot in November
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: in California.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy that you have to ask for that exactly.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: And the attorney general of this guy BoNT I don't
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: know if you've been following he's doing the paramount lawsuit.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: He's like a total political hack. All he ever does
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: like we've got out of control crime and all this
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: shit all he does and the same with by the way, Bessea,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: might I keep coming? He's my opponent. He was attorney
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: general of California appointed he didn't get all he talks
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: about in terms of his record, and he was attorneyed
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: during the time when crime exploded. Is how many times
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: he sued Trump? But this guy Bonter, Now there was
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: this ballot, there is a ballot initiative on November for
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: votere id. He just changed the description. Did you see
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: this No, so it had a kind of accurate description
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: of what it was. You know this measure you like
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: on the ballot and the voter information is this measure
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: will require people to show a blah blah blah and
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: that was approved by the whole system and just in
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: time before they start printing them. He because it's the
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: attorney general who decides changed it to say like the
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: most negative possible thing this. I mean, I haven't got
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: the exact words. You can find it, but it was
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: like this measure prohibits voting unl Yes you have, And
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: it goes on to make it sound really good, like
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: it's so cynical. This is just what they do.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they weren't trying to get people to look
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: at it in terms of look at it through their
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: ideological lens rather than through a practical lens. But it's
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: also like, it's so crazy that you have to have
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: ID for almost everything.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And they say, oh, it's so discriminatory, Like
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That's racist?
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about driving a car? You have to have
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: a license to drive a car. What about you know,
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: check into a hotel? I mean every night I'm a
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: different Hampton inn.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: That's where we stay. ID.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have to show idea to buy booze.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: It's like ideas everywhere. It's normal. It's like we need
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: to know that you're real.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: It's a very when you watch them defend their opposition
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: to it. It really I mean I'm generally not at all,
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I really do try and see the best,
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 1: you know, that's just their idea whatever. Then it's not
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: really cynical. But when you see the way they wriggle
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: and squirm over voter id it's like, what other explanation.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't there exactly?
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: It really, it's such a ridiculous thing to be opposed to.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: It's pretty clear, it's pretty clear that there's an advantage,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: and the advantage is definitely on the side of the Democrats,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: the voter idea advantage. It's uh, it's just it's just crazy.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just we have lost our fucking collective minds.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: And you know it doesn't help when you know this
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: administration is in this war with Iran that makes no
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: fucking sense whatsoever. And everybody's like, oh, so you look
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: at that, like it just builds up the other sides argument. Well,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: that's what they say, so have to came out no
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: matter what.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: Example, massive thing in California for everyone is just gas
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: prices highest in the country by far, higher than Hawaii
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, though we have
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: abundant oil reserves in California's like, it's so insane. They're
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: literally shipping in they're shutting down California oil production, shipping
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: it in from halfway around the world, like eighty percent
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 1: noil shipped from Iraq and the Amazon rainforests, like Gavin
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: goes to the Amazon rainforest to the Climate conference, the
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: lecture everyone about climate because of his climate policies, in
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: oil drilling in the Amazon is now being increased to
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: provide California soil anyway, So it's so crazy. So they've
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: do all these things like right now, you know, and
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: it's all as a direct result of what they've done,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: right in that the gas prices are so high, and
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: it's regular working people who are screwed, like people to
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: drive their cars and trucks a day for where it's
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: not the climate warriors you know, in their laptops in
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: Marine County, do you know what I mean? Anyway, the
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: war is now their go to response. So you make
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: a point about gas prices, Oh, it's Trump's war. And
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: of course it's true that the war has increased gas
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: prices everywhere, but it's still two dollars higher in California
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: than anywhere else. Yeah, but it lets them off the hook.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just indicative of the same problem that you're
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: going to have whenever a single party is running a
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: state for that long unchecked, just like you were talking
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: about Hungary or it's just like it could be anywhere
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: you can fill in the blank anywhere in the world
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: where you get you get power, and you get complete control,
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: and then you can just tax the fuck out of
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: people and then you keep increasing government, which they keep doing.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: We're changing this flag make it cheaper.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: That be even harder to do.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: California gas because it us a unique strickly regulated clean
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: burning boutique blend mandated by the California Air Resources Board
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: to reduce smog and greenhouse gas emissions. Specialized fuel must
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: be refined locally on an energy island because no pipelines
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: connect the state to outside fuel networks. It's just more
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: of the s.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: So this is important. So see that California Air Resources
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: Board CARB. That's the main agency that's driving the cost
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: of everything high when it comes to energy, gas and
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: electric And actually, now your earlier question, what can you do,
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: there's basically four reasons the gas prices are high at
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: the highest in the country. One is the gas tax,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: which is the highest in the country that I can't
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: do anything about as governor. That's the legislature. They just
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: increased it. So you've got all these democrats running around
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: say affordability, we have to do something about the affordability crisis.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: They just increase the gas tax in California. So just
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous. But that's the first thing I can't
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: do anything about directly. All the other things you can.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: It's partly that is the regulations on the refinery, but
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: it's also these hidden taxes, Like you've got the low
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: carbon fuels they will sound good carbon fuel standard, cap
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: and invest they call it the cap and invest rug
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: that's funding high speed rail. These are basically taxes on
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: gas that the energy industries pay. Then you've got the
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: fact that we're importing this oil rather than producing it,
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: so instead of producing it in California in in the
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: cleanest regulated standards anywhere in the world, right, which is
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: what we have because we've got all these regulations and
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: sending it in a nice pipeline just one hundred or
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: so miles from near Bakersfield, Kern County to the refineries
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: in Long Beach and Torrents. We are what I said earlier,
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: shipping in because there'sn't the like that said, there's no
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: pipeline from outside California bringing on tankers from the Number
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: one in the Middle East is Iraq.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: Burning immense amounts of fuel all along the way.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: Because they run on bunker fuel, which is the most
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: dirty form of oil. So they are not this is
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: an accurate statement. They are inc we sing carbon emissions
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: in the name of climate. Their climate war is fighting
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: fossil fuels.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: It's just fucking crazy.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the ideology. It's not even it's so funny.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: I used to sort of talk about their climate policy.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: It's not even the climate policies. It's climate posturing. It's
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: like they want to look as if they're.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, it's it's a part of the ideology. Like
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: you said, it's a part of the doctrine, the religious
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: doctrine that is the left. You have to say that
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: climate change is real, science is science. You have to
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: say a bunch of things. Love is love. You have
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: to say a bunch of things.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: In his house, it's the thing that's literally virtue signaling.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: It's it's not just virtue signaling. It's kind of religious doctrine.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: Agiology signal. Accurately, it's not such a angy phrase, but
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: that's what.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: It is, and it's it's kind of religious, and like
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: Mark Andrews's talked about this, it's kind of like a cult.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: Like you if you don't follow it, you are excommunicated.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: And I did a.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: Conference the other day in Sacramento where I went up
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: and there's something about it. It was the smugness was
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: so I normally try and be reasonable and just you know,
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 1: make my arguments, and sort of there was something about this.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: It was a kind of climate thing and things I
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: agree with. It was green energy. I'm all for that. Whatever, great,
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: let's have innovation. I'm not against any of that. I
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: am against the windmills. The insane, insane windmills, like.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: Totally inefficient and then they have to go into landfills
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: and they only last a certain amount of years and
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: then you have to take them down and then bury
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: them in the earth where they never degrade.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: And they catch fire and they kill birds. Have you
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: heard the latest though? This is the It's actually one
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: of my bits to go back to the thing because
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy. Is the is the new plan for
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: windmills is offshore windmills in California in two parts, Morrow
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: Bay off the Central Crost Humboldt up in the north,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: including having them far out because the wind is more
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: but except also the ocean is deep there, so they're
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: going to have floating windmills. Have you had this one?
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: No floating? And these windmills are they're big, they're like
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: a thousand feet that's the height of the Eiffel Tower,
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: pretty much floating, and that one of the proposals like
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: ten thousand, So ten thousand Eiffel towers floating off the
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: it's insane. Trumps just stopped it and now they're suing
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: to reopen it. Well. By the way, when energy, when
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: we have in California today existing natural gas fired power
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: stations which could provide all are more than all our
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: electricity needs today, more than all. It's like something like
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: three hundred gig or ours e we only use about
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy something like that. But they're only
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: they're running. These natural gas power stations are like ten
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: like twenty percent of their capacity to use as back
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: up for the windmills and for the solar farms. If
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: you ran them at full capacity what we've already got,
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: you don't have to build anything. You could more than
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: meet all our needs. But no, that's too sensible. So
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: we have the floating windmills, and of course we have
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: the highest electric bills in the country apart from Hawaii,
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: double the national average. And the reason I got cross
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: at this conference is that they were going, you want
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: to reduce the renewable goals or something. No, I just
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 1: want common sense. I'm all for it if it makes sense,
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: if you can make it pay, great. But the people
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: who you're hurting with all of this is regular working people,
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: not kind of elite people at a conference in Sacramento.
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: It's just working class people who are just being crushed.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: And I see it every day and the struggle, you know,
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: literally they number one thing people say to me. It's
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: really striking when in all these you know, I've really
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: met a lot of people, as I said, hundreds of events,
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of people. They say, it's not like, oh,
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: good luck, hope, it's like you have to win. There's
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: like this intensity. It's really interesting.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 2: Well, because they know it's slipping away, they don't.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: Want to move and they're so it's hard.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: Got significantly worse over the last ten years, and they
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: don't want to move.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so difficult and the fucking story. But
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: people just oh, and it's not even it's so casual
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: and cruel the way it's like, yeah, for our ideology
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: will jack up your electric bills and your gas prices,
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: and you just have to suck it up because we
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: want to make ourselves feel like we're leading on climb.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing, Isaam. They were yelling at me
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: from this conference and I said, you tell me what
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: is the impact of any of the on climate change?
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: I said, I'll give you everything you're saying about climate change. Okay,
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: let's I agree climate change. We've got to fight climate change.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 1: What is this doing to fight climate change? What is
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: the impact on global temperatures of any of this? And
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: like nothing because the answer is zero. It has zero
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: impact on global temperatures, which is the only thing that matters.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: And then someone shouts out. This is where they always go, oh,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: we're leading. We have to have a leadership role. We're leading.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: Is it who's following? No one? Because it's crazy, it's
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 1: hurting people. All these countries are backing off it.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: That's the one thing that China has an advantage in
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: is that their government and their business work like that. Yeah,
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: and the business works for the government, and the government
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: exactly controls the businesses. It's not a good thing. But
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 2: the one advantage that they have in there, they don't
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: do anything stupid that's just going to lose money for
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: virtue signaling exactly, they call fire fight. It's like crazy.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Which are you know, part of the energy that's
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 1: going into making the solar panels that are shipped across
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: the ocean to make these people feel good?
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: It's true, it is true. It's wild. I mean, it's
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: just it's wild. But I mean, this is the problem
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: with a government handling something versus the private sector. If
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: the private sector handled it, it would have to be profitable.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: It would make makes sense.
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 1: And they keep saying solar is really cheap. You know,
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: I said, great, So why do we have the highest
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: electric bills in the country apart from Hawaii? If it's
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: also great, I'm not again, I'm not against it. You
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: want to have a solar panel, a battery, that's great,
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not against any of this, but don't
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: force it in a way that just raises the cost
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: for regular working people.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: Well, California just loves to regulate. They love it. It's part
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 2: of the big government.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: Have you seen to just the tires, the tires you've
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: seen that I.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: Was going to bring that out. Yeah, So what is
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: the let's pull it up, Jamie. The new California regulations
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: on tires restricting the kind of tires that you could buy.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: It just they keep coming.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: They can't help themselves. They need to justify all these jobs.
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 2: There's so much government.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: But I just want to give you this is a
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: good example, which is all of these things.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 2: California regulators approve new rules limiting what replacement tires you
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: can buy for your car. So what is the rationale
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: behind this? Approved new rules that were restrict which tires
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: you could buy when it's time to replace them. Unanimous vote,
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 2: California Energy Commission voted to adopt new rules that will
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: phase out the sale of replacement tires that don't meet
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: certain energy efficiency standards. Ultimately about protecting consumers. I see
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 2: this as a sheltering the public from higher costs in
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: the long term, long long run. Excuse me. Tire manufacturers
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 2: and the Commission staff are at odds or whether this
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: will add to the cost of living in the state.
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 2: It will both sides of knowledge, this will no longer
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 2: allow the sale of significant portion of the tire currently
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: sold in California.
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: That's seventy.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: So the center of this is a tire's rolling resistance,
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: or how much energy a tire uses as it rolls
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: down the road. Lower resistance means a vehicle uses less
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: gas or electricity. New cars come with energy efficient tires,
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 2: but consumers typically replace those with higher rolling resistance tires.
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that has anything to do with performance cars.
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 2: So you know, I would imagine rolling resistance. So rolling resistance,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: what would that mean? Does that mean friction? Yeah?
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: Basically?
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so friction is traction, So you want more traction.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: So you're basically making people buy performance tires.
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: No, the other way around, you really, Yeah, the other
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: way round.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: So traction is less resistance, it's more resistance. Maximum resistance
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: is traction. But if they want, they will allow the
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 2: sale of tires with a maximum rolling resistance of nine
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 2: point one newtons per killer ton. It lowers it to
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 2: seven point two starting in twenty thirty three. So yeah,
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: it's making it less traction. That's what it's saying, right,
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 2: rolling resistance, I'm not sure what it says is what
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: they want is the energy efficient. In sure, replacement of
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: tires sold in California are at least as energy efficient
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: on average as the tires that come with the truck.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: So my perception is that a tire with more traction
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: would be more more efficient.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: For driving, yeah, but no for climate. Yeah.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: But when you go into the store to buy them,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 3: you just most people are going to buy the cheapest
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 3: thing available.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 2: They're not going to right, and the cheap the cheapest
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 2: thing available would have less traction, correct, just be the
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 2: cheapest thing available. Right. The thing about the cars, like
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: performance tires, they don't last as long because there's a
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: softer rubber, and the softer rubber grips better and so like,
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 2: if you.
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 1: Buy them, that's what they want to get rid of.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: That's what they want to get rid of. Yeah, but
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 2: those are the ones that have more track. That's what
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 2: I'm confused about. It would seem to be more energy
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 2: efficient in terms of the use of the car.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: Well that that's what they're arguing it's for, but they
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: are You're going to end up with these these little
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: tires that don't I mean all the people that want
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: to go off road or whatever.
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 2: That's what you can't, Oh, you can't buy off road times.
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: Seventy of the of the tires are going to be
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 1: banned that are currently sold. That was one of the
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: reporters that cacra. Actually, she's really on all these stories,
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: very aggressive. She's really exposing a lot of this nonsense,
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 1: and that was that I think her number seventy percent.
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 3: Would they just make new off road tires then yeah,
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: but they wouldn't be as good.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: Often you're driving off road and well I'm not, but
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 2: some people, but I just a bunch of people love
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: driving off road. Are doing this road store talking is over.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: You've got homeless everywhere, the highest taxing country. Businesses are
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: leaving every single day. It's a real economic emergency. We
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: have the highest unemployment rate in the country, we have
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 1: the highest poverty rate in the country, the highest cost
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: of living, and this is what the government's focused on.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, people, we've got to wake up, right. This
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: is insane that they're focused on this. They're churning out
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: absolute nonsense. The regulations, the bureaucracy that's this is totally unaccountable.
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 1: This is some bureaucrat that's discovered a rule. Nancy Skinner
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 1: from Burke used to represent Berkeley. Found this thing in
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 1: some obscure place that no one had noticed for twenty years.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 1: Suddenly this bureaucratic agency decides to bring in this rule,
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 1: not no input from the voters.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: But here's my question, what is this impact going to
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 2: have on like the car market? Like if you sell
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 2: a car that has a particular type of performance tire
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: that no longer I don't know, I don't know. What
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 2: we ask perplexity? Is this referring to tires with more
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 2: traction or less traction?
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 3: Energy dot California dot gov second sentence as Unfortunately, replacement
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 3: tires are often often less efficient. That's why your mileage
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 3: drops the first time you replace your tires. And efficiency
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 3: gap between new caire new car tires and replacement tires,
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 3: it means California drivers are paying nearly a billion dollars
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 3: in additional fuel costs.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: Which is so are these inefficient tires less expensive? Is
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: that what it is? It makes sense? Right? So the
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 2: more expensive tires are more efficient, which means they would
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 2: have better traction. Is that what it is? That makes sense?
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: Because if it's if if the tire has less traction,
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 2: that means it slips more. If it slips more, it's
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: not as efficient. You wouldn't get as good a gas mileage.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 1: But then they're doing this for climate. That's what they
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 1: They're saying, we need to lower emissions. That's what it's
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 1: all about because of the use of this.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 2: Seventy percent is crazy. So because if you have it,
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, let's say, if you by like a Chevy
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 2: truck that's an off road truck, right that those are
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 2: not efficient tires. So what are you gonna be able
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 2: to get for them? Now? I don't know.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 1: I mean if it just come out, so everyone's looking
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: into this and you.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 2: Just think and there's no recourse.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: No, They've just well there will be when I'm met,
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm going to get rid of these people. Because
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 1: this is going back to the question earlier.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Benefits of the proposed regulation consumer savings. Proposed regulation
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: would save nearly one billion per year in gasoline and
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 2: electricity costs air quality. By reducing fuel consumed, the proposed
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 2: regulation we reduce CO two emissions by two point zero
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 2: million metric tons per year, which the equivalent of taking
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 2: four hundred thousand gasoline cars off California roads. Would also
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 2: reduce other criteria. Air pollutants such as nitric oxide and
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 2: particulate matter reduced energy demand. The proposed regulation would reduce
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 2: California demand for gasoline by one hundred and forty one
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 2: million gallons. Also reduced demand for electric city by zero
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 2: point nine terra watts per hour each. Oh, excuse me
• 2:49:04
  Speaker 2: each ear? Yeah, Okay. The following tires are excluded from
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 2: the proposed regulation. Minimum performance standards competition tires used for motorsports,
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: winter type snow tires, all season winter performance tires, used
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 2: and retreaded tires, deep tread tires, Tires designed for ATVs
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 2: or other off road vehicles, Large off road tires for
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 2: use up to ninety nine miles an hour, motorcycle tires,
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 2: temporary spare tires, small tires with thirteen inch nominal rim diameter,
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 2: proposed limited production tires, tires sold for use from the
• 2:49:42
  Speaker 2: emergency vehicle high load index tires, tires not capable of
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 2: sustaining speeds over fifty miles per hour, and space saver tires.
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 2: So it seems like there's a lot of caveats. This
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: is because we'll look at that like that list again.
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: Nobody believes that this is about saving money.
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 2: No, it seems like they're just this.
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 1: Is entirely their ideology for climate. This is some bullshit calculations.
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 2: World where that makes sense though, where they're right, and
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 2: it will reduce all that gasoline and it actually will
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 2: be better for everybody, and you'll force people to make
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 2: better tires. And you know they're just they're they're churning
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 2: out low quality tires and this could be mitigated a
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 2: long time ago.
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think that the reaction to
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: it is exactly the opposite, which is here they come again,
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: Here they come again.
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 2: Is real?
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean another thing. As I said, it's just
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: been ann ounce so we got to dig into it.
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: But I mean it's just to me such a kind
• 2:50:42
  Speaker 1: of crazy example of them endlessly micromanaging everything. Yeah, the market,
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 1: these big, big problems.
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 2: California's new tire rule could wipe out seventy percent of
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 2: what's on the shelf, and Sacramento sat on the law
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 2: for twenty three years. So Sacramento didn't invent a new
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 2: law on Monday. It finally read one it wrote in
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 2: two thousand and three.
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean it's just infuriating.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 2: They love to tell you what to do. Okay, part
• 2:51:14
  Speaker 2: of California they did so.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 1: We did a thing last year they in the legis.
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: Remember this is the point about there's no checks, no
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 1: one's stopping anything. Right in the last legislative session last year,
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 1: not even the whole year, just a few months they
• 2:51:32
  Speaker 1: passed one and eighteen bills. Counted them, we printed them out.
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 1: It was double my height. Obviously, no one's reading you know,
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: no one can read them new some signs, most of them,
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 1: like the vast majority, he hasn't read them. It has
• 2:51:48
  Speaker 1: stuff like this in it, and no one's paying attention.
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 1: And the and the and the corrupt system, the interest
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 1: groups that want what they want from the system. They
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 1: get these bills written and then they get past and
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 1: then here you are, twenty three years later, something that's
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 1: in some obscure law. That's how it all works. And
• 2:52:10
  Speaker 1: the answer to the question like what could you do
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: about it, it's basically captured in these two things. Like
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 1: number one, all these agencies that are pushing out these rules.
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 1: It's the executive branch. So as the governor, you control
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 1: the executive branch. You can fire the people on these boats,
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 1: and you can replace them with people with some common sense,
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 1: and you can actually merge them, you can reorganize them,
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 1: you could cut them back. There's a whole bunch of
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 1: things you could do on the bureaucracy, because so much
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 1: of this is coming out of the bureaucracy. Secondly, you
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 1: can veto the legislation. And the point is always made
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 1: if they have a two thirds majority, they can overturn
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 1: a vita. That's correct, But the last time they overturned
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 1: a veto from the governor was nineteen seventy nine. So
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 1: they don't like doing it because suddenly they have to
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 1: justify all this shit that they that goes through without
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: any scrutiny. If you veto it, they have, they can
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 1: if they want to overturn it, suddenly they have to
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 1: make the argument. And so much of what you get
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 1: in California just goes throughout anyone noticing. That's the real
• 2:53:14
  Speaker 1: corruption in the system. And so the other thing I'd
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 1: say is that you also write the budget. The governor
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 1: writes the budget and send it to the legislature and
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 1: then you have to negotiate. But again, you know, if
• 2:53:29
  Speaker 1: you take out all this waste, and you know, we
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 1: just announced last week Operation zero waste, cancel funding for
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 1: high speed rail, cancel free healthcare for illegal immigrants, all
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 1: these things that we've said we do.
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 2: How much has been spent on that high speed rail
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 2: so far?
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 1: Total? Fifteen billion.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a bargain. So the totally gun done though, right, Okay?
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 1: So that was so it was in two thousand and eight.
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be thirty billion the total budget,
• 2:54:00
  Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be open in twenty twenty. And
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 1: it was two and a half hours from San Francisco
• 2:54:05
  Speaker 1: to La So the latest is it's gonna be open
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 1: maybe if you're lucky, by the end of twenty thirties,
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be. The new budget from thirty billion is
• 2:54:15
  Speaker 1: now two hundred and thirty billion. Right. The plan, as
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 1: they laughably call it, is the first bit is San
• 2:54:25
  Speaker 1: Francisco to Merced at the top of the Central Valley
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 1: on the regular train line that's already there. And then
• 2:54:32
  Speaker 1: Mas said to Bakersfield is the high speed rail, and
• 2:54:35
  Speaker 1: then Bakersfield to La a bus bus. Have you heard that?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 2: That's real?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: It's real. That drive from Bakersfield to La which I've
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: done a lot, it's through.
• 2:54:48
  Speaker 2: The grad already conchested as far.
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 1: You can take. That can take two and a half
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 1: hours if you're unlucky. So is this what it's and.
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 2: It's so too and thirty billion, thirty billion.
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: And then Bessarah my point. He went to Presner the
• 2:55:04
  Speaker 1: other week. He announced that he would that he would
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 1: finish it on time and on budget. On time was
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 1: six years ago. On budget, they've sent million bud Okay,
• 2:55:18
  Speaker 1: the total the budget was thirty they've spent fifteen and
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 1: they've not laid any tracks at all. Gavin, classic Gavin,
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 1: it's almost my favorite. He did an event because obvious
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 1: he's running for president. He doesn't. This is embarrassing. He
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 1: wants to sort of shape the narrative. So he did
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 1: this press conference somewhere there with trains in the background
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 1: to make it look like this is a real thing
• 2:55:41
  Speaker 1: and they haven't laid any track and there's no plans
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 1: to laid any track, but he was standing by tracks
• 2:55:46
  Speaker 1: to sort of, I think, make people think there's tracks.
• 2:55:50
  Speaker 1: Even the phrase that he used was to announce that
• 2:55:55
  Speaker 1: we are now entering the track laying face face. That
• 2:56:00
  Speaker 1: could be another ten years. It's so ridiculous.
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 2: And then you're gonna have to get a.
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 1: Bus and the bus it's real, that is the plan.
• 2:56:08
  Speaker 2: And then why is that because the just logistics, they
• 2:56:11
  Speaker 2: can't get trained through the mountains. Yeah, that's it, so
• 2:56:15
  Speaker 2: you have to have a bus.
• 2:56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, oh they I don't actually know what
• 2:56:19
  Speaker 1: the long term plan. I can't believe that's the whole idea.
• 2:56:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's just what's going to be available.
• 2:56:25
  Speaker 3: So it's just like the most tunneling has to happen
• 2:56:28
  Speaker 3: on that part. So maybe they're just waiting.
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's a long it's not the eventual.
• 2:56:31
  Speaker 3: So the day some war tunnels that will require the
• 2:56:34
  Speaker 3: most tunneling of the mountain crossings, with four separate tunnels
• 2:56:38
  Speaker 3: tolling twenty eight miles in length. How much of the
• 2:56:41
  Speaker 3: nature across the Saint Andrea's fault, which is the biggest problem, Oh.
• 2:56:44
  Speaker 2: Even cross an earthquake. How much of nature is going
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 2: to get destroyed in the production of that?
• 2:56:49
  Speaker 1: But who even wants this, I.
• 2:56:50
  Speaker 2: Mean tunneling through mountains.
• 2:56:52
  Speaker 1: The other thing is so I somewhat I spoke to
• 2:56:54
  Speaker 1: someone who works with well, you can check with Elon.
• 2:56:57
  Speaker 1: So he said that you could do the you know,
• 2:56:59
  Speaker 1: the in coup like I do a tunnel, the whole
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 1: thing for five billion. Now, I don't know if that's true,
• 2:57:04
  Speaker 1: but it's this is such a you know, it's such
• 2:57:09
  Speaker 1: a monument to the whole thing, right, Yeah, take the money,
• 2:57:14
  Speaker 1: waste it, spend it on nothing, endlessly delayed.
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 2: How come Gavin's not running again? He can't, He can't
• 2:57:22
  Speaker 2: he two terms.
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so crazy, And you've got this pretend
• 2:57:30
  Speaker 1: this is what's really they're just a video that someone
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 1: found of him talking in twenty fifteen when he was
• 2:57:34
  Speaker 1: lieutenant governor about what a joke the whole thing was,
• 2:57:38
  Speaker 1: speaking very honestly about it. Yeah, and it's kind of
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 1: funny and ridiculous. Oh look at that, he says that.
• 2:57:45
  Speaker 1: Then now he says, but it's actually infuriating because they're
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 1: still taking the money to pay for it. They're still
• 2:57:51
  Speaker 1: pretending and they're taking money out of it. The funding,
• 2:57:55
  Speaker 1: like I said, comes from this thing called cap and Invest,
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 1: which is the gas text. It's just insane, Steve.
• 2:58:04
  Speaker 2: I hope you win. We've got to wrap this up
• 2:58:06
  Speaker 2: and bring it home, but I hope you win. It'll
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 2: be funny. Yeah, it'd be hilarious if you win.
• 2:58:11
  Speaker 1: What job do you want?
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 4: You.
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want a job. I don't even like going
• 2:58:15
  Speaker 2: back to.
• 2:58:16
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, the only reason I'm doing it is that
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 1: you've moved back.
• 2:58:21
  Speaker 2: I'm never gonna moved back.
• 2:58:22
  Speaker 1: I know it's too good here.
• 2:58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love it here.
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 1: I can see that.
• 2:58:26
  Speaker 2: I really hope you win.
• 2:58:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 2:58:28
  Speaker 2: I think you have a chance. I really do. I mean,
• 2:58:31
  Speaker 2: you make you make a lot of sense, and that's
• 2:58:34
  Speaker 2: a lot in this in this day and age, it's
• 2:58:36
  Speaker 2: a lot. You're also actually a good guy, like I
• 2:58:39
  Speaker 2: know you. You're an actual good guy. You're not like some
• 2:58:42
  Speaker 2: weird lizard person, you know what I mean.
• 2:58:44
  Speaker 1: Like there's some I've met you in Sacramento.
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 2: You are who you are. You you are really you.
• 2:58:51
  Speaker 2: I could attest to that. I know you like i've
• 2:58:53
  Speaker 2: known you before you had any political aspirations. You're the
• 2:58:55
  Speaker 2: exact same person. There's a lot of these people that
• 2:58:57
  Speaker 2: are just skin suits. There's skin suits over the lizards.
• 2:59:00
  Speaker 2: There's lizards in there, whether metaphorically or physically. They're fucking
• 2:59:05
  Speaker 2: lizard people. And that's that's a real thing. So I
• 2:59:09
  Speaker 2: hope you win.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 1: You can come to my inauguration. I will just come
• 2:59:12
  Speaker 1: just that commit to that.
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll come there if you win.
• 2:59:15
  Speaker 3: I'll come all right, all right, all right, buy everybody