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Talking Richard Lewis, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Bill Maher & More! · Kenny Wallace Media

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I guess it's a little bit of a midday grind reunion.
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It was Martin and Marlow, I think, during the pandemic,
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right? Didn't we tape a lot of stuff?
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Everything we've tried, Chuck, has been really good.
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And then it just fades into the ozone.
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Just disappeared. But now you, you sort of live on
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the Internet. You're everywhere.
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You're breaking down politics, you're breaking down crew chief
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changes. I can't keep up with you.
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You're kind of on the radio, but you're not.
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You've got Kit. What have you been doing, buddy?
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Great to see you, Martin. Great to be here on whatever
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this show is. Yeah.
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This just this just reminded me of when you have a guest on the
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radio and you say and joining us now instead of like the token,
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how we doing? Like great, thank you.
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Thanks for having me. You just start in with a
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question and you say, hey, let's talk about this game tonight.
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You've been covering this team for a long time, and then they
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start with, hey, thanks for having me.
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Great to be on your show. Yeah, about that.
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So I never know which way to go. Hey, how are you, Charlie?
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How are you? Good to see you.
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OK, it's funny you say that. Now I'll I'll, I'll change
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topics. So we have this political
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podcast with Eric Messersmith who, you know, great guy lives
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out there in LA and I usually start the show with just a hello
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and this is really inside baseball.
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But YouTube is all about hitting the hole, so people would rather
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just have an immediate topic then the minute of hey, how you
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doing? And all that.
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So it's kind of funny. Yesterday I was going to have
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the opener just be how you doing?
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We were talking about Mitch McConnell.
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I did 2 questions in one, which you're not supposed to do.
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And then Eric kind of said hello.
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And then he talked about Mitch McConnell for 10 straight
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minutes. So he he answered both for 10
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minutes and I asked both, which is bad, but I guess it worked.
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Maybe. So the hello has been taken care
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of. It's a Martin Marlowe midday
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grind. The reason I texted you
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yesterday, I saw that Richard Lewis News, and I was stunned
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because our family's been watching Curb Your Enthusiasm
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lately, right? With all the Larry David and his
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buddy Richard Lewis. I didn't watch it the other
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night, but apparently they were joking about him leaving Larry
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in his will. Now granted, that was probably
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recorded What, like a year ago? I mean, it's probably not
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recent. I had no idea it was sick, but
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the first thing I thought of, he was supposed to be on the show
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with us. He follows you on Twitter.
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You messaged him. We were going to talk Buckeyes.
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He's no high. Richard Lewis doesn't feel like
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an Ohio State guy to me. Feels like you go somewhere on
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the East Coast. But he didn't.
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He write you back and say, oh, I'm working on some stuff with
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Curb right now, Let's do it down the road.
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And by gum, we never had him. I know you want me to read it
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for you because when you texted me yesterday, I didn't even know
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about the news which obviously sucks.
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But then I had to go way back. So this was.
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And by the way, I think, look I'm I'm not that funny of a guy.
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He's a professional comedian was.
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I think it had to be me tweeting about the Buckeyes over the
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years that somehow he started following me.
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So this was February 25th, 2017. I say hi Richard.
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Figured I'd give it a shot and reach out since we follow each
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other. I have a sports talk radio show
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in Saint Louis from 12:00 to 3:00 Central, Monday through
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Friday. Would love to have you on some
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time to talk sports, Curb, comedy, whatever.
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Let me know if you're interested.
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Thanks, he replies. I think I'll wait, bro, till
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Curb is closer to premiere. Doing some more acting now.
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Thanks. So I follow up then.
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November 30th, I think this is pretty good.
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I asked him. He said no.
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So I waited what? March, April, May, June, July,
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August, September, October. I mean, I waited nine months to
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follow up again and I asked him again and he said he called me.
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CI like to see I'm on tour and overloaded for now.
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Please understand Richard Lewis. I said no worries, all good.
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I've been enjoying Curb. Thanks.
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And I ended it there, see if I was one of these people that
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just I would keep bugging him until he came on.
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I asked him once, he said no and he was very polite.
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And then I waited nine months, asked again and then I never
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corresponded again with him. But he was very nice and I was a
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big fan. I think Curb is probably my my
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favorite show of all time, certainly my favorite comedy,
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and it's got staying power. It's been on for what, almost 20
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years? I know they take breaks, but
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huge fan of that show and his work and I always thought he and
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Larry's dynamic was great together.
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I've also kind of dove into the behind the scenes of Curb where
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Larry will talk about how they script the show with an outline,
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but they don't really have a script.
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And he said that Richard was the one guy that would always want
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to know the script so he could kind of come in with some some
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pre written jokes with which Larry didn't like.
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So I thought that dynamic was funny.
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And then also you've seen some of these clips.
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What I love about Curb is when they are improving and AD
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libbing and they genuinely make each other laugh and you can
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tell some of the exchanges between Larry and Richard Lewis
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where they're kind of going off the cuff and and you can tell
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their laughter is genuine. That's what I find really
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interesting. I go back to Richard Lewis being
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on Letterman like when I was a kid, and you would look, I think
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you would look in the paper and it would list who was on that
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night, like on Letterman's show. And if it was Jerry Seinfeld or
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Jay Leno or Richard Lewis like those young comedians, you would
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TuneIn to see him because they always brought something.
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And this is, it's kind of like the Jim Rome have a take, don't
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suck. When you have a guest on your
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podcast, your radio, you hate it if they mail it in and those
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guys would always show up. Leno was great at that too.
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I wasn't as big a fan later on, but when he would come on letter
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he always had a a bit he was funny and Richard would always
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just like torment. With Dave, I got to find some of
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those clips. I could spend all day doing
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this, but he would do stuff like Dave get get the camera.
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I don't want to look at the camera.
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I don't want to be seen And Dave like, well, it's kind of tricky.
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We we're ATV show. We need a camera and like, I
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just love Richard Lewis. Back then he was so neurotic.
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He was Woody Allen, but funnier. You know I like Woody Allen but
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I was overly funny. He was a great movie maker
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filmmaker, whatever. But like Richard Lewis had that
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same kind of neurotic vibe and I just, I didn't know he was sick.
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I guess he had Parkinson's right And that recently Parkinson's
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they had a heart attack. Larry's comment yesterday that I
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read, he said Richard Lewis had the ability to be the funniest
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guy in the room and the sweetest.
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And he said, but now he broke. Now he he said, now you've made
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me cry and I will never forgive you.
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And it sounded like Larry was, like, genuinely mad.
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It would sound like something Larry would say, but also maybe
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some real emotion. Like you can't picture Larry
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David being sad, can't you can't picture like at a funeral for
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Richard Lewis. I picture Larry instead of
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sobbing, missing his friend, I picture him saying why are they
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parking the cars over there? They shouldn't be parked.
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Like, Can you imagine him actually being normal and
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serious? Well, it's funny you say that
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because I actually thought of that same thing when I I heard
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the news and I saw that same quote that you're talking about.
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And obviously this is the last season of Curb now.
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You never know could could they come back?
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And I think this is something, even though it's a death and
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it's very sad. I mean, these are comedians and
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their life was humor to me. I mean, the perfect way would, I
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don't know if you have to do a whole another season, but like,
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I feel like Larry David could perfectly do an episode of Curb
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based on Richard Lewis actually dying and having the funeral.
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And that could be a story arc. And it would be a great way to
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show and pay tribute to Richard Lewis, but also be really funny,
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which you'd think, look, Richard Lewis would probably want it
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that way, right? Yeah, I could see that too.
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I I don't. I mean the fact that the show's
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over or is ending. I'm like why they would just
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they could come back in five years and say it's it debuted in
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2000. It's been on for 24 years.
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But it doesn't feel like it's really been on that long because
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they would just disappear when it first got going.
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My dad likes Seinfeld but my dad was really picky about comedy
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and they like, you know, you and I always talk about who do we
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like in media and in the yard. They're all Martin hates.
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Everybody hates everybody. I think I got that from my dad
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because he he didn't like any media, but he liked Seinfeld.
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So I went out to his house in Denver and I bought the box set
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of Kirby enthusiasm, like the first box that they put out and
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Kim and I were out there, my wife now dating.
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Then we went skiing for the weekend.
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So I said to my dad, oh, this is great, I got you this box set of
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Larry David. So we come back after the
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weekend and going to the airport and he gives it back to me and
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he said I just can't do it. And he said made me so
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uncomfortable and I'm like, I think some people are that way
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with Larry David that makes him uncomfortable, which reminds me
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of, and you would have probably been there.
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It was a Rams pregame show. This is 2008 glory days.
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Well, you really came in during the glory days.
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You think about how fun you came in.
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Larussa was still the manager. The Rams were still here.
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Linehan was the head coach. This is a while ago, but during
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that 2008 season, at some point, Chip and Lucia, you know the
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owners, were George's kids. And Chip Rosenblum is real big
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on the environment activists, and he's a film maker.
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Somehow they got word to us that they wanted Larry David's wife
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on the pregame show. She was in town promoting a
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movie about the environment. We got to find the footage.
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Joe Burr, our great producer Dave Dio probably has it
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somewhere on Avhs. On the Rams pregame show was
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Larry David's wife in real life and RFK Junior the guy running
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for president. Really 100%.
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Because I remember I got emails that week, people pissed off,
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like because it was about the environment.
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So all these people were mad and they said what are you doing on
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a sports show, Kilborn, You're putting these wackos from
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California on your show. You should be talking football.
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And I'm like, listen, ass hat, the team's 2 and 10, like who
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cares? Who cares?
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But in the interview, I remember we remember we would always have
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the desk. Nowadays, everybody just like
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you and I are sitting on a Zoom or like AJ Hawk, always looks
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like a prisoner of war on that McAfee show.
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But back then we actually had a set, remember, we'd have that
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giant table. They would roll it out here.
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God bless our engineers. But sitting on that set, I
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remember saying to Larry David's wife, I got to ask you know,
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'cause I'm like, you are here and you're married to Larry
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David. And I said he seemed weird and
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she said you have no idea. She said he's exactly like the
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show in real life. And I think that's that's
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probably true. Like as as uncomfortable as it
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made my dad and sometimes even watch it, I love it.
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But sometimes I get uncomfortable with the topics or
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the situation. That's 100% who he was by the
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way, RFK Junior. So I interviewed him both after
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for TV. I mean RFK has that horrible
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voice. I don't know what it is.
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I can't imitate it. But off the side we're doing the
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interview. I said so Massachusetts guy,
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probably big Patriots fan, you know, coming from that area
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around here, we don't like the Patriots.
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You know them fighting words or something stupid.
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And he said, well, it's just in in the stadium after my father
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and and DC, I'm sort of a Redskin fan.
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I'm like, the stadium is called RFK and I'm like, Oh yeah, well
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yeah, other than that, I'm sure, yeah, you're you're probably a
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big fan. But so many things happen on
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that show and we can move on. You too is probably requiring
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topic alert, Switch topics topic alert.
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Is that how it works well? No, hold on.
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No. What I what I find so great
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about the show and I've also heard Larry say that the show is
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basically him it's it's inside his brain if he really had no
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social decorum whatsoever. So in real life he thinks these
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things, but he obviously doesn't act out on all of them like he
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does for the show. But what I find so great about
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that show is everything he does. There's there's certainly a
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kernel to truth, of truth to all of that, like every little thing
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about maybe your neighbors, like your leaves go into their yard,
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or vice versa. Or the garbage, all those little
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idiosyncrasies of life. Or, like you said, parking.
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You're in a parking spot. You go there, somebody goes in
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line, they hold the door and they go in front of you at the
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coffee shop. All of those things really
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happened to all of us all the time in our daily lives, and
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they're kind of tweeners. You're like, what am I supposed
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to do? How am I supposed to act in
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those situations? And he perfectly puts them all
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into this story and makes it hilarious.
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And the most recent one I saw when he starts screaming at Siri
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and he's like, listen, you fucking bitch, I don't want to
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go there and I do that, I scream anything that's voice
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communicated where it'll say, like why don't you enter your
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password. I don't know my password and I
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just, I Kim will find me screaming at my phone saying
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assistant human person. I want to speak to somebody.
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Like that happens to me three times a week.
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And he just went nuts on that Siri, he was just screaming at
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Siri because they don't understand.
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I just want to talk to a freaking human being sometimes.
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OK, so one of the episodes that I remember that I always think
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about, I don't remember exactly how it went down, but remember
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they're going into the bathroom and the handicap stall is open
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and the other stall isn't, so there's nobody waiting.
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So Larry jumps in the handicap, but then a guy comes behind him
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in a wheelchair. But then part of the story was
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also like, somebody had a stutter and and Larry thought
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the person that had a stutter shouldn't get a handicap parking
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spot. And then at the end of the
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episode, Larry pretended to have a stutter.
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But again, so I have two kids now and you know, you have to
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help him in the bathroom and all that.
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So you'll go into a bathroom and you try to always go to the
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handicap because it's the biggest one.
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You're helping your kid. And I'm telling you, every time
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I go into a bathroom, if I choose the handicap stall, if
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nobody's there, you know, you're trying to figure out.
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But I always think of that episode of Curb.
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Yeah, I think what it is, is we all have Larry David moments
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where awkward shit happens where the person in the parking lot
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that you give him one of these, like they take your spot and
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you're like mad and then you walk into Starbucks and they're
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standing in front of you or like you need their help at a later.
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Like the person that you have some confrontation with always
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is that person later that you either are standing next to or
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you need their assistance. Or anyway.
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I love Curb. We love Richard Lewis.
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I love the fact that he's buddies with C I am now changing
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your name and my phone. From now on you will be called
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C, but he wasn't in your phone or he was a direct message
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buddy. No.
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And by the way, I I'm not trying to say, hey, he didn't get back
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to me. He wasn't on the show.
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Oh no, They didn't even know each other.
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It was just a Hail Mary because he followed me on Twitter and
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look, these guys are busy and all that, so it's all good.
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I have a bunch of those where somebody will give me a number.
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The most famous person, honestly, probably in my phone
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is, I guess is Tom Brady. No, but somebody gave it to me
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and they said it's 100%. It's like, I think it's a Tampa
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number, but I'm never going to call unless I'm really hammered
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tonight and I'm out of TV just having fun.
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But for the most part, you get a number and if you try and get
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them on, like you said, you give it a hey, how are you?
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They usually they almost all respond once.
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Hey, thanks so much for reaching out.
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Great to hear. Meanwhile, they're going, how
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the fuck did they get my number? And then all of a sudden you're
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like, well, maybe I'll try one more time and then you let it
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go. OK, so this may be a good story
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about this. It happened yesterday and you
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started. I didn't tell people, so just so
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everybody knows. So I do the NASCAR YouTube with
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with Kenny Wallace. I probably spent 8590% of my
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time on that. We have two Youtubes.
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We have a podcast platform. I do the Cardinal stuff.
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Yeah, maybe 10% of the time. And then I'm starting this
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political news podcast YouTube show with Eric Messersmith that
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we're doing once a week. So yesterday, Penny is
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interviewing William Byron, who is the Daytona 500 champion from
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just a couple weeks ago. And I always monitor these
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podcasts and whatnot. I have to edit them and all
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that. So William Byron is a big Legos
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guy. He's big into Legos.
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Like, I don't know if you saw the Exchange, He and Dale
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Earnhardt Junior putting together A4 foot Titanic, like
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the Titanic ship. I mean, this takes days and days
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and days to do these Legos. So.
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So Kenny was like, hey, can you send Charlie some some pictures
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of your Legos? And I figured, you know, 'cause
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I had already sent him the e-mail invite.
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And Kenny's like, I'll, I'll give Charlie your cell phone
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number. And look, I'm always wary or
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weary of of, you know, I don't like to use people's cell phone
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numbers, especially these athletes.
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You know, if somebody at a radio station gets the number, then
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they pass along to everybody. But it's pretty funny.
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So I I texted William Byron, who's a really nice guy.
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He's like 26. But I was like, yeah, you know,
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this is Charlie, You know, can I get those Lego pictures?
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And it was kind of funny because like later on at night last
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night, here's William Byron, this famous NASCAR driver.
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He just won the Daytona 502 weeks ago.
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And he's sending me 3 pictures that he took with his own phone,
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of his, of his Lego set. And I can even see, you know,
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how you see the reflection, you can see him, like trying to
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frame it up so he can get the picture of the Titanic.
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I just found that funny that here's the superstar guy taking
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stupid Lego pics for me for our podcast.
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And then the worst would be if you had to hey, William, could
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you retake those? Because they didn't format.
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Probably at that point. I used.
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It's fine whatever it is. No, that's the Lego thing.
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Carson, my son is 13 and he just did a a Porsche car that's
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probably the size of a table. I didn't realize how it's gotten
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really advanced now. So the fact that way, I didn't
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know that because I am not as inside NASCAR as Chuck is these
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days. I'm curious on you doing the
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politics. Are you getting anybody who's
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who said stay away from that or Marla, I used to like you?
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Or because are you opining on politics or observing?
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Have you gotten any negative feedback?
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Yes, Hey, real quick by the way on the on the Lego thing before
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I get to that. So my daughter is super into
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Legos. I just built her a Lego table
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that we bought the other day. But here's the problem with
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Legos these days, with the kids. Back in the day when we got
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Legos, at least you would have like, a bucket of Legos, like a
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big tub. Now they're trophies.
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So my daughter, she's so excited.
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She gets a Lego set. She puts it together in one
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night, but then she wants it to display in her room as a trophy.
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She never plays with it again. Whereas like when we were kids,
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you'd get, you know, a bunch of Lego sets, You'd just have that
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big bin, and then you would kind of create new things.
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She needs a new Lego set every week because she she builds it,
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she's done, and then she wants to move on to another one.
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All right, so the politics. Part.
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No. I'm just curious if you're
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getting anybody saying I don't want to hear this from you and
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although on your on 590 in the mornings you would get into
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politics there so it's not noon for you.
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Yes, and This is why. Again, it's kind of boring to
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people, but This is why I created multiple YouTube
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channels, because YouTube is all about your niche.
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So much so that I've even found like on my original channel,
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which I wanted to be all sports, it just turned into a channel
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that is all Cardinals baseball. I didn't even want it to be
19:45
that. But like YouTube finds your
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audience for you. So I I didn't want to have
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politics on the baseball channel.
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So we we have this separate channel that actually used to be
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hockey, which is kind of funny, but we turned it into a
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political channel. But to answer your question, I I
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basically advertise the political channel on my baseball
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channel a couple times and I got a couple negative comments of
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people saying, hey. You know, I don't want this.
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I didn't come here for politics and all that.
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So I stopped doing that. So basically we're starting this
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thing from from scratch but for the audience because YouTube and
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podcast is all about your audience.
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So we have a a YouTube channel that is 100% Cardinals baseball.
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We have obviously the Kenny stuff, which is 100% Kenny
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NASCAR and racing. And then we have this news and
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politics channel which we're essentially just starting like
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two months ago. But we have to build it up and
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we have to kind of change our audience because we started with
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subscriber base that was hockey fans and now we're switching to
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politics, which is kind of funny, but we're starting, we're
20:49
starting from scratch. And yeah, The thing is, is like,
20:52
you know this, I mean, people are passionate about sports, but
20:55
people are real mean about politics.
20:59
They're very hypocritical and I love the comments and all that.
21:02
But people get angry. I always like to, I always like
21:06
to think about this and I look at the data though.
21:08
If you post a video and you see how many views it gets and then
21:12
you see how many comments, you also realize that 99% of folks
21:16
are just watching the video and they're just not commenting.
21:20
So you'll get some positive comments.
21:22
But I think, I think comment sections are definitely more
21:24
negative. But it's easy to go and look at
21:27
the comments and go, oh, these people hate me, But then you go
21:30
look, oh, that video got 1000 views, but there was only 6
21:33
comments, right? So.
21:35
So 99% of the people just watched it and we're OK and and
21:38
didn't comment at all. Well and we give too much power
21:42
to the folks who do comment. We look at that as sort of
21:45
representative. And I want to give you an
21:46
example that although I do have a funny concept in my head since
21:50
your political channel used to be the hockey channel, I would
21:53
like people to e-mail you and say hey Chuck who do you think
21:56
is going to win the New Hampshire primary?
21:57
Also do you think the Blues will trade which name it and just
22:00
like throw random hockey shit as well as politics.
22:03
But the comment section, this is interesting because a couple of
22:08
weeks ago I did an interview with Travis Ford.
22:10
He's the slew men's basketball coach.
22:12
They're having a terrible year and most people are wondering,
22:16
is he going to get fired? That's sort of the topic that's
22:19
out there. So I thought, I wonder, and I
22:21
know him fairly well and I haven't been around the team at
22:24
all this year, bandwagon front runner.
22:27
And so I texted him and said, would you want to talk about
22:30
everything that's being said? You want to address some of the
22:32
noise and all those things that are out.
22:33
And he said, I would love that, Thank you so much.
22:35
Can you come tomorrow? So we do the interview.
22:38
You know, I said OK, what I remember the line of
22:40
questioning. I said OK, what went wrong this
22:42
year, which is a bad question because it's very open-ended.
22:45
So then that was like a two-minute answer.
22:47
But then I said in college basketball, you're the CEO,
22:49
you're the GM, you pick the players.
22:51
You know, you can't blame like the front office, It's your
22:53
team. He said 100 percent, 100%, it's
22:56
on me. At some point I said, do you
22:59
think you'll, do you wonder if you'll be fired?
23:02
Have you heard the noise? You know, and so that night my
23:06
wife said she was watching. She said she was cringing.
23:08
She said because you asked him if he'd be fired or if he's so
23:11
it made her uncomfortable. And I said, well, he's a big
23:15
boy. He can handle it, you know.
23:17
And I said, you know, shouldn't this program be more like
23:19
Marquette or Xavier or Creighton, you know, and be a
23:21
tournament regular? Later, he kept saying he had a
23:23
plan. And at the end I said, what are
23:26
you going to tell Chris May or Doctor Costello?
23:28
What's the point anyway? I think it was fair.
23:31
Didn't badge him, but people. And then somebody, a couple of
23:36
prominent boosters and alums texting me say I really enjoyed
23:40
that great interview, Happy to hear his answers, whatever.
23:43
But then you go online, another puff piece, another softball
23:48
loaded with softballs. No tough questions.
23:51
And I'm like, we asked him if he thought he was going to be
23:53
fired. We asked him to.
23:54
I said assess your eight years versus just this year.
23:57
The only one I regret is I should have followed up with
23:59
because he kept saying we've done a lot of winning.
24:01
We turned it around and I should have said, but have you won
24:04
enough big games? Have you done enough A10 wise
24:08
You haven't won an A10 titles, Should have been to more
24:10
tournaments. I could have followed up there,
24:12
but for the most part it covered all the all the important
24:16
topics. But if you go to my Twitter
24:18
account, all these slew folks are saying terrible interview,
24:22
didn't ask this, didn't ask that or whatever.
24:24
And I'm like, you know what? I didn't respond to any of it.
24:27
Did you just you can't give it the power.
24:29
That's the problem. Just don't respond.
24:31
That's the easiest thing. Well, I.
24:33
Watched that. I thought you did a great job.
24:36
I'm not just saying that. And you did.
24:37
You did ask the questions you're supposed to ask.
24:40
I mean, what else can you say? Besides, do you think you're
24:43
going to be fired? By the way, didn't he?
24:45
Didn't he start to cry a little bit during the interview?
24:48
During the answer about I said, do you hear the noise, are you
24:53
concerned at all that you'll be fired?
24:55
And I asked him too and one if I said, have you heard anything
24:57
from Chris May administration? But he started to cry, thinking
25:01
about all that had happened while he was here.
25:05
His nephew died, of course, Ford Stewen, who was his assistant
25:09
coach, but also his, his daughter's son, you know,
25:13
somebody he's extremely close to.
25:14
And I think when he reflected on everything that's happened, he
25:17
said While we're here, a lot of things have happened, many good
25:20
things and some not so good. And he said, but the people have
25:22
rallied around. I think that's genuine emotion.
25:25
And here's the thing with a coach never sees, sees it the
25:29
way like the angry fan does. They think they're about to turn
25:32
it around. You ask an NFL coach who's 2 and
25:34
10, and everybody's going to say, Oh my God, this guy is so
25:38
full of shit. And I was like, no, he really
25:39
thinks he's got this figured out.
25:41
He really thinks there's an answer coming down the road.
25:44
You can't tell these people that they wouldn't be successful or
25:47
at a big position if they just thought, man, I got nothing, I
25:51
got no answers. They really think they have
25:52
answers. But again, I think that, well,
25:57
it's a whole other topic we don't want.
25:58
Do you have a Billiken channel? Is this the now, are we, are you
26:01
switching us over? If you would please check,
26:03
switch over to Chuck's Billiken channel for further discussion
26:07
here. And then later tonight, we'll be
26:08
on the Mizzou channel to talk about their disastrous SEC
26:12
season, OK? Anyway.
26:15
So here's another interview story.
26:18
Quick story. People are on YouTube.
26:20
Got to got to hit the hole. I interviewed Kelly Chase the
26:22
other day, former Blues player diagnosed with leukemia.
26:26
He's now in remission. It was a 29 minute interview.
26:30
I'll bet you I talked for 40 to 50 seconds total because it was
26:35
one of those where you just get out of the way.
26:38
He had really long stories, emotional, interesting, and
26:43
every once in a while I would just interject and say, did you
26:47
feel sorry for yourself? Are you scared?
26:50
They were like the shortest questions of it.
26:51
And he just kept going and people would say, oh, that was a
26:54
great interview. And I said, I really just got
26:56
out of the way. And there are times when you
26:58
have to do that, yeah. So we can kind of stick in the
27:02
entertainment realm since we started with with Curb.
27:06
I know, I don't know if you still are a a fan, but you know
27:09
back in the day, Bill Maher, I know, I think it was several
27:11
years ago. We both, I think we both went to
27:13
that show. I didn't see him the most recent
27:15
time he was in Saint Louis. I'd be interested to get your
27:19
take on this because now it's it's kind of funny.
27:22
I don't feel like Bill Maher has changed but the country has
27:25
changed and so he's now you know he used to be kind of the the
27:29
thought leader for the laughter liberals and now there's a lot
27:33
of people on the right that are appreciating what he's saying.
27:35
And I think in in 2024 he's he's kind of in the in the middle.
27:40
And I bring this up because you talked about interviews and all
27:43
that and and talking a lot or or not on an interview or podcast.
27:48
I don't know if you ever watch his podcast Club Random where
27:53
he's basically in his like fun house like he's got like a party
27:56
house and he's drinking and smoking weed while he does the
28:00
podcast. And I've always been a fan of
28:02
Bill Maher, my wife and I. We, we don't watch as much just
28:05
because we're busy. But we used to always watch Real
28:07
Time on Fridays. And I'm telling you, Martin, he
28:11
doesn't shut up. He never lets his guests speak.
28:16
He railroads them. He interrupts them.
28:19
Here's a guy who I've always liked his show, and I'm telling
28:21
you, ever since he got a podcast, I like him less.
28:24
Like because you and I have also done so many interviews and been
28:27
interviewed. When I see somebody who's in the
28:30
middle of a thought and they just get interrupted it, it just
28:34
bothers me. There's podcasts where I swear
28:36
for 90 minutes he talks 80% of the time.
28:40
It's it's crazy. Have you have you seen his
28:42
podcast at all? I've not.
28:43
Watched I've listened to a lot of Club Random, it it depends on
28:46
the guest and if it's somebody I'm really interested in.
28:49
I started the other day with him and Martin Short, 'cause I love
28:51
Martin Short, but I I know what you're talking about and what
28:54
I've observed in that city now, first of all, real time on
28:58
Friday nights, I think it's the perfect show because they've
29:00
like, nailed the format. It's like PTI with Wilbot and
29:04
corners. They they just got the right
29:05
formula. It worked.
29:07
You don't need to change it. It's kind of tightly produced in
29:11
in that case. In Bill's case, it's the
29:13
monologue, it's the guest, then it's the panel.
29:15
But you interrupt the panel at some point because if it was
29:17
just the panel, it's like watching Fox, CNN and the same
29:20
piece. It's so boring to me.
29:21
All these just just sitting at the table yelling, they figured
29:24
out OK, now we'll interrupt it with like a comedy bit.
29:27
Then we'll go back to the panel. We'll end with new rules.
29:29
I just think the format is excellent.
29:32
But on his podcast What I Noticed, I think he's either too
29:36
high. I don't think he drinks a lot
29:38
but I don't think he like the the guest will say like and
29:41
that's when I joined the military and then the minute
29:43
later he's like now were you ever in the military?
29:45
I'm like I feel like he's so out of it.
29:48
Maybe he's having fun, drinking, smoking, whatever.
29:51
But I that's what I've observed less.
29:53
So now I'm going to start listening for the interruptions
29:56
but I feel like he's just, it is it is just conversation but I
30:01
think every once in a while he doesn't.
30:03
I think he's out of it. I don't know if he's high or he
30:05
just you could you'll hear it like somebody will say like well
30:08
that slice Stallone as a guest and and that's when I made
30:12
Rocky. Wait a minute, you were in Rocky
30:14
and it's like he's genuinely surprised like what?
30:18
But all of these things to me are examples of everybody says
30:25
media is changing, media is changing.
30:27
It is. But one thing that hasn't
30:29
changed, I mean why do people listen to any podcast for that
30:35
matter, But you know why is Dan Levitard show is popular, The
30:39
morning After is popular. All these shows that people
30:41
listen, why it's just people bantering.
30:43
It's conversation. That hasn't changed.
30:45
So everybody says, oh, it's media is dead.
30:48
It's like, no, it's all still people in their car listen on
30:52
their earphone, earbuds or whatever, what they're listening
30:54
to conversation. It might be from the New York
30:57
Times, it might be a comedian. It might be a politician or
31:00
whatever. That to me is.
31:02
It's that hasn't changed. People are still flipping the
31:05
radio on or putting on an iPhone because if if as long as it's
31:08
entertaining banter, they're going to tune in, yeah.
31:12
That's that's what I love about YouTube and podcast.
31:15
Also, it's very motivating because you have a scoreboard.
31:19
It's almost like the stock market really.
31:21
You can look at any second during the day and see how many
31:25
views you're getting and thus how much money you'll make.
31:28
And like you said to me, it's it's the essence of it all is,
31:31
is storytelling. It's telling a great story.
31:34
And so this kind of goes back to the the William Byron thing I I
31:38
mentioned earlier, William Byron of of Nashville.
31:42
Charlie's friends with the Daytona 500 winner.
31:44
I get it. OK see.
31:47
No. But what I'm?
31:48
Saying though is like, here's a guy who's a young, good looking
31:51
kid. He's one of the best drivers in
31:53
NASCAR. He just won the Daytona 500.
31:55
I already and I knew this, this video, this podcast is not going
32:00
to do that well and it's just because it's nothing.
32:03
No, anyone did wrong, right? He's just kind of a guy.
32:07
He's not super controversial. He's not going to say something
32:10
real spicy and I always find that interesting.
32:13
It could be somebody who doesn't have the big name but they're
32:16
interesting and they tell compelling stories and I always
32:19
find that fascinating how you could have a big name person but
32:23
that video doesn't perform, but you could have Joe Blow from
32:27
Kokomo. But if they have a really good
32:29
story, you see that and and people when you have a good
32:33
story on YouTube or podcast, people like it, they subscribe
32:37
off it, they comment and that's that whole algorithm thing.
32:40
It's just and and now we kind of know like you know you've been
32:44
in this game a long time. You know when you get a good
32:45
sound bite and when I hear a sound bite, I'm like that's
32:49
something that if you if you package it the right way is
32:52
super interesting regardless if the person is famous or not.
32:55
But there's some people who are really famous but they do a
32:58
podcast for an hour and they really don't say that much.
33:01
There's nothing wrong with that. But that's what I find
33:03
interesting about about this game.
33:06
And I'm telling you it's a it's addicting because I look at my
33:08
analytics every day, probably 100 times, and when you see that
33:13
that views climbing like a mountain, meaning every minute,
33:16
every hour, more people are watching it, it gets to be kind
33:19
of addicting. Well, and it's fun when.
33:22
People say I couldn't get out of the car if it was a radio
33:25
interview or the Kelly Chase interview.
33:27
I put it on the podcast as well and people said, Oh my God, I
33:31
listened to the whole thing which 29 minutes, like, wow,
33:34
that's the greatest compliment we should have next week.
33:37
Let's get Joe Blow from Kokomo on.
33:40
You probably been texting with him late at night.
33:43
Get him on the show. Great sound bites.
33:45
Charlie, what is the key to a great sound bite?
33:47
It's if it if they say my name in the sound bite.
33:51
Charlie's theory. We're going to Fox 2, right.
33:54
I would always pick out the clip where the guest, the code to the
33:57
player would say, yeah, you know what, Martin?
34:00
I was, I was just thinking about that.
34:01
You know what, Martin? That's a great question.
34:04
It wasn't true. It was not true.
34:06
But I you believed it was true that every clip where they would
34:09
say my name, I would include on the show, which may have been
34:12
true. Yes.
34:14
And the other thing that always happens, it always happened to
34:16
me. You'd go, you'd go get your
34:18
interviews, Cardinals Blues, whatever and you'd be like, oh
34:21
dude, I got this great sound, but it's it's so good.
34:24
And then you go back and it's only like 7 seconds.
34:28
You tell but. And you tell the.
34:29
Producer oh, use this bite at 5. This is this is the best.
34:32
Oh, my God, this is gonna be. And then Dave drove.
34:34
Dude, it's 5 seconds. What else do you want to use?
34:36
And you're like, I don't know. Well, Chuck, it's great to be
34:41
here on Martin Marlow. Midday grind.
34:43
Whatever. Just catching up.
34:45
Let's just let's just stay in touch, buddy.
34:47
It's been too long. And this is the world.
34:49
This has started taking me back to the pandemic now sitting in
34:52
our little office here, zooming away.
34:55
God, I can't even remember how. Think about those, those TV days
34:59
you were still at Fox 2. We probably had as many viewers
35:04
as we'll ever have in our life because everybody is stuck at
35:07
home and we had the least content and the least
35:11
advertisers ever. Nobody was spending money,
35:14
nobody was playing a game and everybody was tuning in.
35:17
I remember doing a piece was with Larry Hughes and we zoomed
35:21
and just talked NBA because it was during that Michael Jordan
35:23
craze. And.
35:25
We and we did a 3 minute piece that night with Larry Hughes
35:28
telling stories because he played with LeBron, he played
35:30
with Michael. He's the perfect.
35:32
It was better Michael or LeBron. We'll talk about it when we come
35:35
back. We decide once and for all he's
35:37
the perfect guy to talk about it, which by the way, he always
35:39
leans towards Michael. We ran the piece that night and
35:42
I got a bunch of texts from just friends of mine.
35:44
And then Jim Edmonds is like, wow, awesome piece.
35:47
Like even a guy with millions of dollars, it just stuck in his
35:51
house. Can't go anywhere forced to
35:54
watch. But I'm having flashbacks
35:56
sitting here doing the but this is the way of the world.
35:59
I guess everybody's kind of sitting in on what are we on
36:01
Stream Yard? Wait, is this streaming Charlie
36:05
into your yard or are we on? It's called Stream Yard.
36:09
You're telling me how much? Bags.
36:11
What's he got? 4 four Super Bowl rings.
36:14
Hey, because you know, the pandemic did change everything
36:17
with Zoom and Stream Yard and I had.
36:19
I never even knew of any of this technology.
36:21
But what I what I you know I try to steal a couple bases if you
36:26
if you may remember is once once during the pandemic you could do
36:30
all these zooms right. So like back in the day we'd go
36:32
to high school hey I'm going to go to Hazelwood central and do a
36:34
story on the football team and then for for COVID you just
36:38
zoomed and then I'm like well if I don't have to drive to
36:41
Hazelwood I could just zoom. So this is post Pandemic.
36:44
It's over. You can definitely go to the
36:46
field or you can go to the basketball gym.
36:48
But it's like, hey, I could just zoom with the coach from my
36:50
house and my underwear. I don't have to leave, you know,
36:53
get in the car. Let's just say.
36:54
Charlie was all about convenience.
36:57
I would say, hey, tomorrow we really need to get out to a high
37:00
school basketball team. It's been a while.
37:02
We really need to find a local kid doing, you know, North
37:06
Glendale's got some good dude, They're in fifth grade.
37:09
Yeah, but it's right by my house.
37:11
Might be able to do a little feature piece.
37:13
They're all about convenience. Like, even right now, I'm
37:16
looking at your setup, your background.
37:18
No pretense. You know how everybody has the
37:20
bookshelf with all their awards or the books?
37:24
Everybody. And I'm looking, I'm saying this
37:26
is struck here. He has no pretense.
37:28
Or is it no effort? That's one of both.
37:33
No award I have. Yeah, we have an office.
37:36
But like, I don't want to create the whole backdrop.
37:38
And I think when you have a guest on and it's this people
37:41
that are watching right now, like you can't really see a lot
37:44
of of behind you there. But no, as you said at the end
37:48
there, so I live now in in Glendale and I would drive to
37:51
Fox 2 up Lindbergh. And anytime there was a high
37:54
school story, I would usually try to make sure that was one of
37:56
those high schools like Chaminade Burroughs, one of
37:59
those schools that falls along Lindbergh along along the drive
38:02
up to Fox 2C. Can we get?
38:04
Away from some of these expensive prep boys school.
38:08
I tell you what, then I'm going to have to veer off Lindbergh.
38:11
Maybe I go a little further north.
38:13
I can get the written there. That's that's at the boundary
38:15
there. But great to be here Chuck.
38:17
Thanks for having me on the Stream yard.
38:20
Will I be on is this going to be in the Kenny Wallace umbrella of
38:23
segments? You don't know where to put this
38:26
do you? That's.
38:27
That's the thing I think, look, my podcast is not monetized yet.
38:32
We're trying to build it up. So I think we put this, I don't
38:35
want to put the really political stuff on the Kenny Media Podcast
38:40
because I just think it's it's not a good fit but I think this
38:43
is more just random. So I think we put this on the
38:45
Kenny Wallace Media Podcast Network.
38:49
I think we start this on the news and politics YouTube and we
38:53
see how it how it does. I can also put it on the
38:55
Cardinals YouTube. We'll we'll, we'll see.
38:58
We'll kind of whichever. Works.
39:01
You're you're turning into like a baseball freaking nerd
39:03
analytics, studying the numbers. And we'll take a couple of
39:07
pitches before we actually hit the hole here.
39:10
All right, buddy, great talk. Great.
39:12
That's what my saying with Dan McLaughlin is now he's mad
39:14
because I just said great talk. I can't say that that's a
39:17
copyright infringement. This was a really good talk,
39:20
Good talk. I'll.
39:21
Take it.