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Mega Edition: Johanna Sjoberg's Deposition In The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Suit (Part 1-3) (5/24/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna start taking a look at
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the Johanna Schoberg deposition that just dropped in the new
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document up. And while there's going to be a ton
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of articles out talking about this stuff, this is the
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actual meat and potatoes of it. And the most important
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part is that we go through the document and see
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what the document itself says for ourselves. So with that
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in mind, let's dive in. Sigarett McCauley is asking the questions,
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and obviously Johanna is answering. McCauley. All right, so we're
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going to get started, and if you have any questions
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about the deposition or you need to stop to take
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a break, you can just let me know and we'll
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take that break. So what I The only thing I
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ask is if we're in the midst of a question,
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you finished the answer before we take a break, show Burg. Sure, McCauley,
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but I'll try to make sure that I take regular
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breaks as well. You stated your name for the record,
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Can you tell me your date of birth? She gives
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her date of birth, McCauley. That makes you how old
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skipped McCauley, okay, and where are you currently living? Skipped
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once again, McCauley. And I'm going to show you what
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I'm going to mark as the first two exhibits in
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the matter, and I'm going to ask the court reporter
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if I can mark those the refer to document was
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marked by the court reporter for identification as Schoberg Exhibits
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one and two. McCauley, okay. I'm going to show you
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what I'm marking as exhibit one. It's going to be
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the renotice of your videotape deposition, which is simply a
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notice I'm going to show you. And then Exhibit two
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is a subpoena that we served on you. So you're
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here today pursuing to our notice of deposition and the
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subpoena that we served on you. Are you familiar with
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the subpoena? Have you seen the document before? Schoberg? Yes, McCauley, okay, great,
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all right. Do you know a female by the name
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of Glaine Maxwell Schoberg. Yes, McCauley. And when did you
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first meet miss Maxwell Shoburg? Two thousand and one March
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probably end of February, beginning of March McCauley. And how
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did you meet her, Shoeburg. She approached me while I
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was on campus at Palm Beach Atlantic College. McCauley, and
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what happened after she approached you, Shoburg. She asked me
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if I could tell her how to find someone that
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would come and work out her house. She wanted to
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know if there was like a bulletin board or something
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that she could post that she was looking for someone
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to hire. McCauley. And what did you discuss with her, Shoburg.
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I told her where she could go to, you know,
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put up a listing, and then she asked me if
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I knew anyone that would be interested in working for McCauley.
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Did she describe what the work was going to be Shoeburg.
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She explained that she lived in Palm Beach and she
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didn't want butlers because they're too stuffy, and so she
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just liked to hire girls to work at the house,
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answer phones, get drinks, do the job a butler would do. McCauley.
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And did she tell you that she would pay you
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for that kind of job? Schoberg. At the moment, no,
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but later in the day, yes, McCauley. And what did
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she say to you? Answer? There was another woman with her.
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I don't recall her or what she looks like or
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how old she was McCauley. And what happens next? Answer?
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And then she asked me if I would be interested
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in working for her, and she told me that she
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was I could trust her, and that I could jump
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in her car and go check out the house at
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that moment if I wanted to, And so I said, sure,
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let's do it, and went to her home with her. McCauley.
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And where was that home? Answer in Palm Beach McCauley.
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And did she describe that home as being her home? Answer?
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She described it as being her home and alluded to
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the fact that it was her and Jeffrey's home and
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that she had homes all over the world. Yes, McCauley.
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And what happened when you arrived at the home? Answer?
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I believe she just showed me around. McCauley. Do you
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recall meeting anybody at the home? Answer? I don't recall
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if I met Jeffrey at that time or the next
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time that I was there. McCauley. How did you meet Jeffrey?
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Did Maxwell introduce you to Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. What
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do you recall of your first meeting with Jeffrey Answer?
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I remember him being in a bathrobe. I recall talking
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to him about how I was a major in psychology
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and he had studied psychology, and so he spoke with
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me about different topics. I remember thinking, this guy is
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very smart. That was my first impression. McCauley. And when
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you refer to Jeffrey, are you referring to Jeffrey Epstein?
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Answer yes, McCauley. How did the meeting? You said, Maxwell
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took you to the home. Do you remember how that
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meeting ended? Answer? Well, she dropped me back off at campus. McCauley.
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And did you to this, Johanna interrupts. She got my
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number and I took her number, and then she called
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me the next weekend to work. McCauley. So at that
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point you started working for miss Maxwell? Answer at that time, yeah,
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Now to this, Laura Meninger, one of the lawyers for
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Glenn Maxwell objects objection leading Sorry McCauley. McCauley, did you
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then start working for miss Maxwell after that first meet up? Answer?
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She called me and I went over to the home
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the next Sunday to work. McCauley, And what work can
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you describe for me the first day at work? What
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work you performed? Answer? Sure, I remember answering the phones
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and taking messages. And at one point she asked me
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to go pick up printer ink, and I took her
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car to office depot to get ink. She asked me
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to go buy some magazines, so I went to the
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Palm Beach Delhi News and bought a few magazines. She
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and I went. She wanted to take me shopping to
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Worth Avenue, but it was a Sunday and Neiman Marcus
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was closed, so we went back to like a little bookstore,
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and I remember she bought I think five pairs of
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reading glasses because she thought Jeffrey would like them. He
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had them all over the house. On every table there
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was reading glasses. That's about it. It was a pretty
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simple day, McCauley. Were you paid for that day of work?
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Answer yes, McCauley. And how much were you paid? Do
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you remember? Answer? I don't remember how many hours I
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was there. She paid me cash, McCauley, So Maxwell paid you?
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Answer yes, McCauley. And then was she the one who
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trained with you with respect to what you were supposed
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to do during the day, directed you to like you said,
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go to to this Johanna interrupts. I believe she was
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the one that was kind of showing me around. McCauley.
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And how long did you work in that position answering
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phones and doing Johanna answers, just that one day, McCauley,
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Just that one day. And did your duties change? Answer? Well,
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the next time she called me, she asked me if
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I wanted to come over and make one hundred dollars
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an hour rubbing feet McCauley. And what did you think
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of that? Offer? Answer? I thought it was fantastic McCauley.
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And did you come over to the house for that purpose?
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Answer yes, McCauley. And when you came over to the house,
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was Maxwell present? Answer I don't recall, McCauley. And what
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happened that second time you came to the house? Answer?
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At that point, I met Emmy Taylor, and she took
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me up to Jeffrey's bathroom and he was present, and
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her and I both massage. Jeffrey. She was showing me
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had a massage, and then she he took he got
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off the table, she got on the table. She took
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off her clothes, got on the table, and then he
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was showing me moves that he liked. And then I
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took my clothes off. They asked me to get on
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the table so I could feel it. Then they both
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massaged me. So it was more than a foot massage
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at that point. Answer yeah, it was mostly like legs
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and back McCauley. Was everybody in the room without clothes on? Answer?
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When they were on the massage table, Yes, McCauley. Did
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they When they got off the massage table to perform
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the massage, did they dress or did? Answer? Yes McCauley,
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they dressed. And do you recall who paid you for
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that first day that you did the massage? Answer? I
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don't recall, McCauley. Do you recall whether Maxwell was at
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the house during that first day when you were doing
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the massage with Emmy and Jeffrey Menager? To this objection,
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asked An answered McCauley, you can answer, Johanna, I don't recall, McCauley.
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Who did Emmy work for? Answer Golaine McCauley. Did Maxwell
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ever refer to Emmy by any particular term? Answer? She
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called her her slave. McCauley you said your job duties changed.
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Did you start to travel as part of your job
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with Jeffrey and Golaane? Answer? Yes. The next time they
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called me, they asked me to go to New York. McCauley.
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And did you do you recall when that was approximately? Answer?
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That was the Easter of two thousand and one. McCauley.
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And do you recall who was on the plane with
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you for that trip? Menager objection leading and form. McCauley. Actually,
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I'm going to stop really quickly, and I'm going to
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ask for the next exhibit, please, Manager, this is three. McCauley. Yes,
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I'm going to mark this as exhibit three for the
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purpose of this deposition. McCauley, Johanna, I'm going to direct
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you I flag some pages, but for the record, I'm
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going to say what pages they are before I hand
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you the exhibit. Answer sure, McCauley. These are Roberts zero
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zero zero seven four eight and zero zero zero seven
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five eight are the two pages right now. I may
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refer you to the document itself is zero zero zero
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seven two to one through seven eight nine. And these
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are flight logs pulled from David Rodgers, one of the
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pilots of Epstein and that have been produced in this case.
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Manager Objection Foundation asking the witness any questions about this document?
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The witness can I touch it? McCauley, Yes, you may, Manager,
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I just have to say things every now and then.
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The witness, okay, McCauley. So you mention that you traveled
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to New York. If you turn to page Flagg page
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which should be zero zero seven, four to eight at
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the top of the document, you're going to see a
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date of April two thousand and one. I'm just going
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to ask you to go down to the if you
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look at the line on the left to where it
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says nine for the date, and look over where it
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has the names. Do you see can you identify your
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name on that list? Answer yes, McCauley. And can you
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tell me, I know there are initials there. Who else,
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to the extent you remember was on the plane with you?
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Manager Objection Foundation Leading form of question McCauley, Johanna, do
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you recall who was on the plane with you that day?
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Manager Objection Foundation form leading The witness reading the document, McCauley,
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you can answer, answer okay, J. E. Jeffrey Epstein, E. T. M. E.
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Taylor VR. Virginia Roberts BK. I do not recall and myself,
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Miss Meninger objection. The witness is reading the document. McCauley,
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and do you recall where you flew when you went
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to when you traveled that first time with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Answer we left from Palm Beach and landed in Atlantic
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City for a few hours because there was a storm
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in New York, and then got back on the plane
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a few hours later and landed in Teterborough. McCauley, and
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you said that you recall landing in Atlantic City. Did
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you go into Atlantic City? Answer yes, we went to
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one of Trump's casinos. McCauley. Did you actually go into
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the casino itself? Answer yes. McCauley. Do you recall Virginia
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at the time, Virginia Roberts being present with you? Answer yes. McCauley,
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do you recall if she went into the casino? Answer
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she was under age. I did not know anything about
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how old you had to be to gamble legally. I
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just knew that she could not get in because of
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an ID issue, so she and I did not gamble. McCauley,
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in your opinion, did Virginia look young in your view?
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Answer yes, McCauley. Did you ever did you at that
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time wonder why she was traveling with Jeffrey? Answer? At
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that time, I did not, McCauley. Did you later wonder that?
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Answer Yes, McCauley. And what was your impression manage your objection?
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Vague speculative the witness I were just jumping ahead. Is
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that okay? Ms? McCauley, Yeah, that's okay. Answer A few
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days later. I remember asking her questions to try to
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figure out her role why she was there, and she
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gave me vague answers and was never specific, and so
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I thought perhaps she was just an assistant, someone that
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did massage as well. I wanted to believe that she
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was an innocent McCauley. Did you ever refer to her
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as being orphan like? Answer? I did, McCauley. And how
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did that come about? Answer? No, I only to you.
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I said that to you. I just saw her as
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perhaps someone who may not have had a strong family,
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and they took her under their wing. McCauley. Now, you
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mentioned remembering going to Atlantic City. Did you go where
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did you go after Atlantic City? Answer? Once we landed
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in New York. Emmy and I went in a car
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and drove around the city for half an hour or so,
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just to see some of the city. McCauley. And then
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where did you go after doing the sight seeing? Answer?
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We went to the townhouse down e seventy first McCauley.
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And can you describe that location for me? Answer? Sure,
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between Madison and Park. I think the address might have
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been ninety seventy first Street. McCauley. And who on that home?
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Answer as far as I know, Epstein. McCauley. Can you
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describe for me physically what and to this Johanna interjects palatial.
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When you walk up, it looks like a normal door
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to a townhouse. And you when you walk in, I
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thought there were four floors. I heard there were seven floors.
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I didn't see them all. McCauley. And do you recall who,
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if anybody, was at Jeffrey's home when you arrived? Answer yes.
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When I first woke in the door, it was just
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myself and Glaine headed for the staircase and said told
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me to come up to the living room. McCauley. And
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what happened at that point when you came up to
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the living room. Answer I came up and saw Virginia, Jeffrey,
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Prince Andrew Glaine in the room. McCauley, and did you
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meet Prince Andrew at that time? Answer yes, McCauley. And
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what happened next? Answer? At one point Glaine told me
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to come upstairs and we went into a closet and
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pulled out the puppet the caricature of Prince Andrew and
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brought it down and there was a little tag on
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the puppet that said Prince Andrew on it. And that's
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when I knew who he was. McCauley and did what
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did the puppet look like? Answer? It looked like him,
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and she brought it down and presented it to him,
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and that was a great joke because apparently it was
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a production from a show on BBC, and they decided
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to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and
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Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on
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Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they
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put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put
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his hand on my breast, and they took a photo. McCauley,
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do you remember who took the photo? Answer? I don't recall, McCauley.
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Did you ever see that photo after it was taken? Answer?
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I did not, McCauley, and miss Maxwell was present during
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the Was Miss Maxwell present during that? Answer? Yes, McCauley.
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What happened next? Answer? The next thing I remember is
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just being shown to which room I was going to
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be staying in. McCauley. When you exited the room that
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you were in where the picture was taken, do you
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recall who remained in that room? Answer? I don't. McCauley.
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Do you recall seeing Virginia exit that room? Answer? I don't.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up part one there,
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and in the next episode we'll pick up with part two.
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All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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going to pick up where we left off with the
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Johanna Schoberg deposition, So let's just get right back to it. McCauley,
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during this trip to New York, did you have to
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perform any work when you were at the New York House? Answer?
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I performed at least one massage that I recall, McCauley,
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and who instructed you to give that massage? Answer Jeffrey McCauley.
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And can you describe for me what happened during that massage? Answer?
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Near the end, he asked me to rub his nipples
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while he masturbated. McCauley. And did that take place? Answer?
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It did not, McCauley, and why not? Answer? I was
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not comfortable with it, and so I left the room. McCauley.
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Did you have any did you say anything to him
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before leaving the room? Answer? I believe I said I'm done. McCauley.
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Do you recall what his reaction was to that? Answer?
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I do not at the time, At the moment, I
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do not. But McCauley, do you recall later what to this?
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Johanna interrupts, Well, we had a conversation a little later
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talking about his expectations, and that was the conversation where
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he said that the next trip they were going on
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was to the island in the Virgin Islands, and I
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would be invited. However there would be quote sex stuff happening. McCauley.
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Can you describe for me, Can you describe for me
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what the in New York were you massaged and what
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that looked like. Answer? He had one room that was
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the massage room. It was about the size of a
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spa room in a spa. It had high ceilings, It
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had dark tapestry on the walls. It was a very
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dark room. There was a very large picture of a
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naked woman whom I don't recall. That's all I remember.
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McCauley in the New York home. Did you observe photos
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around the house? Answer I don't recall. McCauley. In the
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Palm Beach home that we were talking about earlier, did
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you recall seeing photos in that and yes, McCauley. And
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do you recall seeing photos of naked females in that home?
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Answer yes, McCauley. Approximately, can you tell me where you
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would see those in the home? Answer? I definitely saw
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them in his bathroom and I can't recall if they
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were in the main living areas. McCauley. Did you see
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them in the stairwell up to the second story of
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the house. Answer I can't recall. McCauley. Do you know
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who who the people were in those photos? Were they
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familiar to you? Answer no, McCauley. Were you in any
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of those photos answer at one point, yes, McCauley. And
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were you naked in these photos? Answer topless. McCauley, do
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you recall seeing any naked photos of Virginia Roberts? Answer
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I do not. McCauley, where did you go next after
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the New York visit? Answer? I went to the Virgin Islands. McCauley.
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And who told you that you would be going to
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the Virgin Islands? Answer? He asked me if I wanted
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to go, and I said I would still like to go. McCauley.
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And do you recall who you you went with to
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the Virgin Islands? Answer? I believe well, I know Virginia
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was with me, Glaine was there, Jeffrey, and there were
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two other women that I don't recall their names. McCauley.
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Did you travel on Jeffrey's plane to get to those islands?
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Answer yes. McCauley. I want to show you again the
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flight log that you have there in front of you.
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If you can flip to manager, I'm going to object
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to the foundation once again. McCauley. It's the same page
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that you were on the date is the eleventh answer yes, McCauley.
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Do you see the teb to tist there. Answer yes,
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manager objection leading. The questioning is testifying now, McCauley, can
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you please let me finish my question. McCauley, can you
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tell me who the initials are there that you see
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that we're on the plane manager objection, foundation leading answer
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Jeffrey eppste Glaine, Maxwell, AP and p K are the
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two women I do not recall. Virginia Roberts and myself. McCauley,
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do you recall how you flew back from the location
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in the US Virgin Islands answer? They put me on
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a commercial flight. I wanted to be home in time
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for Easter. McCauley. When you say they, do you recall
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who made those arrangements for you? Answer? It could have
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been Glaine. McCauley. Did you do you recall performing massages
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while you were in the US Virgin Islands? Answer yes, McCauley,
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who was involved in Was there more than one? Answer? Yes?
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I massage Glaine at one point, and I massage Jeffrey.
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Virginia and I both on the beach. McCauley. Were you
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dressed during the massage that was on the beach? Answer yes,
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bikini's probably most likely. McCauley, do you recall where Virginia
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was wearing. Answer I believe she was wearing a bathing
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suit as well. McCauley. Were you paid for the massage
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on the beach with Virginia. Answer at the end of
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before I left and flew home, Glaine gave me one
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thousand dollars. Just to interject, that was their mo that
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was the hush money. Oh, they got paid. There were professionals,
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there are prostitutes. That was all part of the baked
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in plan. Folks. McCauley, you mentioned that you massaged. You
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recall massage and Glaine on the trip to the USVII.
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Do you recall where that took place? Answer? I don't
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recall what days we were there. So McCauley, do you
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recall where it took place? Answer? I believe it was well,
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either in my guest cottage or one of them. There
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were three guest houses set up that were all similar
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that I was staying in Virginia, and I stayed in
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one together, and it was either in there or in
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another one that was identical. McCauley. And was that massage
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performed with Virginia as well or by you alone? Answer?
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I don't recall McCauley. Was there other females in the
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USVII on that trip with you besides Virginia? Answer to
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others McCauley, and do you recall who they were? Answer?
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I do not. McCauley. Did you ever see Glenn Maxwell
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during that trip laying out by the pool? Answer there
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was one time where we were all by the pool, Yes, McCauley.
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Was Glenn Maxwell ever nude or topless by the pool? Answer?
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I don't recall she was nude when she went swimming
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in the ocean McCauley at that moment in the USVII home.
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Did you observe any photos there of nude females? Answer
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I don't recall, McCauley. Besides Virginia, who you mentioned you
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observed to be young, did you observe any other females that,
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in your view appeared to be essentially under the age
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of eighteen? Answer no, McCauley. Did you observe any females
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who you thought looked young younger than you? Answer no, McCauley.
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Do you remember an individual by the name of or
22:54
dacted that you met during the time with Jeffrey Epstein?
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Answer in Palm Beach McCaul yes. Answer yes, McCauley. Did
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you observe her to be young when you met her?
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Menager Objection vague as to time, Johanna, All the women
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were generally young. I did not know the ages really
23:13
of anyone there, so, McCauley. How many massages did Jeffrey
23:17
receive average in a day? Manager Objection Foundation witness three
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a day. McCauley. Let me back up for a minute.
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How long did you work for Jeffrey and Golaine Menager
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Objection Leading and Foundation, Johanna. I believe it was five years,
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two thousand and one to two thousand and six, McCauley.
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And how many massages did Epstein receive per day on average?
23:41
Manager Objection Foundation Johanna answers this question three, McCauley. Were
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the massages performed by the same girl or different females?
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Answer different? Menager Objection Foundation McCauley. What did the females
23:58
who perform the massages look like? Objection Foundation answer? They
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all look different. Some of them were ethnic, some were blonde,
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some were short, some were tall, everyone was thin. McCauley.
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Were the girls who performed the massages young or old?
24:14
Menager Objection to the foundation. Answer, I don't recall anyone
24:18
being old. McCauley, do you recall anybody being over the
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age of say, twenty five? Menager objection, deform Yo wanna answers? Yeah,
24:27
I believe there was probably a few women that were
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older than twenty five. Menager. I'm sorry. I get a
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chance to object and then you can still answer. No
24:36
one is going to stop you from answering. I just
24:38
need to get the objection on the record in the
24:41
same way she needs to be able to talk before
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you My apologies. I'm not trying to cut you off,
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but I'm supposed to get it in before you answer. McCauley,
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did Jeffrey ever tell you he received so many massages
24:54
from so many different girls? Menager objection, hearsay, McCauley, you
24:59
can answer. Answer. He explained to me that, in his opinion,
25:03
he needed to have three orgasms a day. It was biological,
25:07
like eating. McCauley. And what was your reaction to that statement? Answer?
25:13
I thought it was a little crazy. McCauley. And what
25:16
did you do You recall what when you observe the
25:18
other females giving massages, do you recall what they would
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dress like, did they wear scrubs or did they typically
25:24
wear normal clothes? Answer? Normal clothes menager objection leading McCauley.
25:31
Do you believe that, from your observations, Maxwell and Epstein
25:35
were a boyfriend and girlfriend? Answer initially, yes, McCauley. Did
25:39
Maxwell ever share with you whether it bothered her that
25:43
Jeffrey had so many girls around? Menager objection leading answer no,
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actually the opposite, McCauley. What did she say? Answer? She
25:53
let me know that she was she would not be
25:56
able to please him as much as he needed, and
25:58
that is why there were other girls around. McCauley. Did
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there ever come a time did you ever take a
26:04
photography class in school? Answer yes, McCauley. And did there
26:09
ever come a time when Maxwell offered to buy you
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a camera? Answer yes, manager objection leading the witness, McCauley.
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Did Maxwell ever offer to buy you a camera? Manager
26:22
objection leading witness, Yes, McCauley. Was there anything you were
26:26
supposed to do in order to get the camera? Manager
26:29
objection leading, Johanna, I did not know that there were
26:33
expectations of me to get the camera until after she
26:36
had purchased the camera for me and I was over
26:39
there giving Jeffrey massage. I did not know that she
26:42
was in possession of the camera until later she told
26:46
me call me after I had left and said, I
26:48
have the camera for you, but you cannot receive it
26:51
yet because you came here and didn't finish your job,
26:54
and I had to finish it for you. McCauley. And
26:57
did you what did you understand her to mean? Answer?
27:01
She was implying that I did not get Jeffrey off,
27:04
and so she had to do it. McCauley. And when
27:07
you say get Jeffrey off, do you mean bringing him
27:09
to orgasm? Answer yes, McCauley. Did Glaine ever describe to
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you what types of girls Jeffrey likes? Answer? Model types. McCauley.
27:19
Did Glaine ever talk to you about how you should
27:21
act around Jeffrey? Answer? She just had a conversation with
27:25
me that I should always act grateful. McCauley. Did Jeffrey
27:28
ever tell you that he took a girl's virginity? Answer
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he did not tell me. He told a friend of mine. McCauley.
27:36
And what do you recall about that? Manager objection hearsay
27:40
foundation Schoberg. He wanted to have a friend of mine
27:44
come out who was a cardio kickboxer instructor. She was
27:48
a physical trainer, and so I brought her over to
27:50
the house and he told my friend Rachel that he said,
27:53
you see that girl over there laying by the pool.
27:56
She was nineteen, and then he said, I just took
27:58
her virginity. My friend Rachel was mortified. McCauley, based on
28:03
what you know, did Maxwell know what the type of
28:06
massages Jeffrey was getting typically involved sexual acts? Manager objection
28:11
Foundation leading answer? Yes, McCauley. What was Maxwell's main job
28:17
with respect to Jeffrey Manager objection to the foundation, Johanna, Well,
28:22
beyond companionship. Her job, as it related to me, was
28:25
to find other girls that would perform massages for him
28:28
and herself. McCauley. Did Maxwell ever refer to the girls
28:32
in a particular way? Answer? At one point when we
28:36
were on the island, we were all watching a movie
28:38
and she called us her children. McCauley. Did anybody respond
28:43
to that answer? I don't recall, McCauley. Did she ever
28:46
refer to herself as a mother? Answer? Yes, like a mother,
28:50
hen McCauley, do you recall who was president at the
28:54
time she made that comment? About children. Answer, this was
28:58
the second trip that I took to the Virgin Islands.
29:00
So no, I don't want to speak, you know, incorrectly.
29:03
I can't remember. I can't really remember. McCauley. Have you
29:07
ever met David Copperfield? Answer yes, McCauley. And do you
29:11
recall when you initially met him? Answer yes, McCauley. Can
29:16
you tell me what that was? Answer sure. Someone called
29:19
me from the house and said that he would be
29:20
there and if I wanted to come out dinner, then
29:23
I can meet him. So when I arrived at the house,
29:25
he wasn't there yet, but I waited with I believe
29:28
Sarah Kellen, and there was another girl there which I
29:31
had never met and had never seen. She seemed young
29:33
to me, and I asked her what school she went to,
29:36
kind of prodding to see if she went to one
29:38
of the area colleges. And I did not recognize the
29:41
name of the school, and so I thought she could
29:43
be younger than college age. But I had to assume
29:46
for my own sanity that she was a daughter of
29:48
one of his friends. McCauley, but it was possible she
29:52
was the school. Is it possible that the school she
29:55
referred to was a high school answer yes, McCauley. And
30:00
what happened at this dinner? If anything? Answer? He did
30:03
some magic tricks. McCauley, did you observe David Copperfield to
30:07
be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's Answer Yes, McCauley. Did
30:12
Copperfield ever discuss Jeffrey's involvement with young girls with you? Answer?
30:17
He questioned me if I was aware that girls were
30:19
getting paid to find other girls? So again, David Copperfield knew,
30:23
but none of these other so called smartest men in
30:26
the room had any idea. Huh, I'm calling bullshit from
30:29
here to next Wednesday. McCauley. Did he ever tell you
30:32
any of the specifics of that answer? No, McCauley. Did
30:36
he say whether they were teenagers or anything along those lines?
30:40
Answer he did not, manager objection, leading calls for hearsay.
30:46
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there with
30:48
this episode, and in the next episode we'll pick up
30:50
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30:57
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Cles.
31:01
In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
31:03
left off with the Johanna Schoberg deposition, So let's get
31:08
right back to it, shall we. McCauley, did you ever
31:11
hear or observe Jeffrey talking on the phone about Frederick Forkai? Answer? Yes,
31:18
manager objection leading McCauley. What did you hear? Answer? I
31:23
heard him call someone and say Forkai is in Hawaii?
31:26
Can we find some girls for him? McCauley. And what
31:29
was your reaction to that? Answer? Well, I was massaging
31:33
and I didn't have a reaction. I tried to remain
31:35
reaction lists the whole five years. McCauley. Did Jeffrey ever
31:39
take you shopping? Answer? Yes, McCauley. Can you describe for
31:43
me what happened? Answer? Sure, he took me to Victoria's Secret.
31:47
Of course he did. I believe he picked out everything
31:50
and went into the room with me, the fitting room,
31:52
which was very odd. McCauley. Did he make any comments
31:56
about being in the fitting room with you? Answer? He
32:00
joked that one time he was in there with another
32:02
girl and she said something like dad. But that's all
32:05
I recall. McCauley. Did Jeffrey ever talk to you? Let
32:09
me back up a moment. Have you ever been propositioned
32:12
by anyone to have a baby for someone. Answer yes, McCauley.
32:16
And who propositioned you, McCauley, Jeffrey asked me. McCauley, did
32:21
he ask you more than once? Answer yes, McCauley. And
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what did he say? Answer? Basically just said I want
32:28
you to be the mother of my baby. McCauley. And
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do you recall your response to that answer? I don't
32:34
believe that. I said flat out no. I didn't agree
32:37
to it. I wouldn't just say oh, yeah, really okay, McCauley.
32:41
Did you ever bring other girls over? As Maxwell requested
32:45
manager Objection leading hearsay form Joanna one time. McCauley. Let
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me back up for a minute, just to make it
32:55
a clean question. Did you ever bring friends over to massage? Jeffrey?
33:00
Answer no, McCauley. And why did you not bring friends
33:03
over to massage? Jeffrey answer? I was living in secret
33:07
about what I was doing during the massages, and I
33:10
did not want my friends to be to know what
33:12
I was doing, so I did not want anyone else
33:15
coming into that. McCauley was Bill Clinton, a friend of
33:19
Jeffrey Epstein's Manager Objection Foundation McCauley, let me back up.
33:25
Do you know if Bill Clinton was a friend of
33:27
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I knew he had dealings with Bill Clinton.
33:31
I did not know that they were friends until I
33:33
read the Vanity Fair article about them going to Africa together. McCauley,
33:38
did Jeffrey ever talk to you about Bill Clinton? Answer?
33:41
He said one time that Clinton likes them young. Referring
33:44
to girls, McCauley, did you ever do you recall ever
33:48
taking a trip to Jeffrey Epstein's home in New Mexico?
33:52
Answer yes, McCauley. And do you recall who went with
33:56
you on that trip? Answer? Sarah Kellen was there, Glene
33:59
was there. That's all I recall. McCauley. Do you recall
34:02
where you went or why you went on the trip
34:04
to New Mexico? Answer to work McCauley. Did you perform
34:08
massages on that trip? Answer yes, McCauley. Did you do
34:13
you recall whether you perform massages with Sarah Kellen on
34:16
that trip? Answer no, McCauley. Do you recall in the
34:19
New Mexico home ever observing nude photos of females there? Answer?
34:24
I don't recall. McCauley, when you would provide massages. Would
34:28
you provide those massages naked? Answer on occasion McCauley on average?
34:33
Would you be naked if it was one hundred percent
34:35
of the time more than fifty percent of the time?
34:38
Or what answer? Can you repeat it? McCauley, sure, when
34:43
you're performing the massages, can you tell me you said
34:46
on occasion? Over the five years that you worked for him,
34:49
how often did you perform massages naked? Answer somewhere between
34:53
twenty five and fifty percent of the time. McCauley. Did
34:57
Epstein try to make the massages sexual? Answer on occasion McCauley.
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Would Epstein have you rub his nipples? Answer yes, McCauley.
35:06
Would he masturbate during the massage? Answer yes, McCauley. Did
35:10
he use sex toys or vibrators on you? Answer yes, McCauley.
35:15
Would he leave the sex toys or vibrators out after
35:17
the massage or would he clean up after himself? Manager objection,
35:22
vague form answer He did not ever clean up. McCauley.
35:27
Do you believe that your experience during the years you
35:30
were with Jeffrey and Maxwell damaged you? Manager objection, leading
35:35
and form answer it affected me damaged is a strong word, McCauley.
35:41
And in what way did it affect you? Answer? It
35:44
affected future relationships with men, trust issues, expectation issues. McCauley.
35:50
Did you observe Nadia Marsenkova and Golain at the house
35:53
at the same time? Manager objection leading in form Answer,
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I don't recall McCaul on the USVII trip, the second
36:02
trip that you took, do you recall Nadia Marsenkova being present? Answer?
36:06
I believe she was present on that trip. McCauley. Do
36:10
you recall Maxwell being present on that trip? Answer yes, McCauley.
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Do you know an individual by the name of redacted?
36:18
Answer yes, McCauley. And who is redacted? Answer? She was
36:23
one of the girls that was around McCauley. Was redacted
36:27
around both Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell. Answer, I don't recall, McCauley.
36:33
Do you recall when you first met redacted? Answer in
36:36
Palm Beach McCauley at Jeffrey Epstein's home. Answer yes, McCauley.
36:42
And what do you recall any observations about redacted when
36:45
you met her? Answer to speak with she was a
36:48
little rough around the edges, and I could see the
36:51
progression of her being groomed a little. They got her braces.
36:55
She had terrible posture, and with a lot of massages,
36:58
she learned to stand up straight. So I just saw
37:00
her become a much more confident person. McCauley, do you
37:03
recall how old she was when you first met her? Answer?
37:06
I assumed she was eighteen, but I don't know her age. McCauley.
37:10
We're going to take a break really quick and then
37:12
we'll be back. So we are going to go off
37:14
the record, and after a ten minute break, they're back. McCauley,
37:19
I'm just going to resume. I have a few more
37:21
questions for you. You mentioned visiting the US Virgin Islands. Do
37:24
you recall doing any activities with Maxwell when you were
37:28
on the visit to the USVII manager objection vague as
37:32
the time the witness I don't recall, McCauley. Do you
37:37
ever recall going hiking with her? Answer yes, McCauley. Did
37:41
Maxwell ever ask you to try to bring other girls
37:43
over for Jeffrey? Answer at that time McCauley, yes, Answer no, McCauley,
37:50
any other time, answer well, she had asked me if
37:53
I knew anyone that could perform massages that would come
37:56
to the house McCauley. And what was your understanding of
38:00
that request? Manager objection? Answer well, manager form witness. I
38:07
just wondered why they wouldn't just call me. McCauley. And
38:11
did you bring anybody else over to that house to
38:13
perform massage? Answer I did not, McCauley. When you were
38:18
either in the USVII or in Palm Beach, did you
38:21
ever observe any females either topless or naked by the pool?
38:25
Answer yes, McCauley. What did you observe? Answer and mostly
38:29
skinny dipping. McCauley. Do you know who the individuals were
38:33
that you observed? Answer Sarah Kellen and Golaine McCauley, anybody else?
38:39
Answer yes, but I don't recall who McCauley. Did that
38:43
happen on more than one occasion? Answer yes, McCauley. How
38:47
often do you remember making those observations? Answer three times. McCauley.
38:52
Do you recall giving a statement to the police regarding
38:55
Jeffrey Epstein Answer yes, McCauley. Do you recall when you
38:59
gave that state? Answer I don't recall the date McCauley.
39:03
Do you recall the year? Answer? I want to say
39:05
it was early two thousand and six or late two
39:08
thousand and five. McCauley, Do you recall who you met with?
39:11
Answer no. McCauley. Do you recall what you told police? Answer?
39:16
It was similar to this. They were asking me a
39:18
lot of questions that I answered. They knew a lot.
39:21
They knew what the bathroom looked like, they knew what
39:23
the couch had a hot pink throw on it with
39:26
green tassels. I assumed that there had been videos and
39:29
they'd seen me. They had seen the videos. That's what
39:32
I had assumed. I didn't know that maybe people had
39:34
already come forward and had given them statements and just
39:37
to interject the videos again, another person on the inside
39:41
talking about videos. Yet we have not seen one single video.
39:45
Question is where are these videos? McCauley. Did they ever
39:50
talk to you at all about the videos? Answer? They said,
39:53
were you aware that there were video cameras in the house?
39:56
I said no, but it would not surprise me. Ms
39:59
mcaule And I'm going to mark exhibit four. Do you
40:02
have an extra? Sorry? Did you get one? Okay? Robert
40:05
zero zero two through eighty nine, and I'm going to
40:08
direct you to page zero zero zero seventy six, and
40:11
I'm going to hand it to you. The referred to
40:14
document was marked by the court reporter for identification as
40:17
Schoberg Exhibit four. McCauley, I'm just going to ask you
40:21
to take a look at that. As you can see
40:24
here under the narrative line there there is a name.
40:26
It says, reported by Racary, Joseph. Is that a name
40:30
you recall meeting with a detective detective Racary? Answer? Yes,
40:35
I mean I don't recall his name, only except that
40:38
he had been following me around and left me cards
40:41
like on my car and in my door. I tried
40:43
to avoid him for a long time. McCauley. And can
40:46
you just look at the text underneath there? Answer? Uh huh, McCauley.
40:50
Take a moment to look at that. Answer Okay, sure, McCauley.
40:55
Does that refresh your recollection as to what you told
40:58
the police during the investigationation? Answer? There are mistakes in here.
41:02
I was not twenty three when I met him. I
41:04
was twenty one. McCauley. Anything else that doesn't look correct?
41:08
Answer the same error that I had met him three
41:11
years ago, and it obviously had been closer to five.
41:15
There is also the error he obviously misunderstood me. He
41:18
did not pay for my tuition at college. I'm still
41:20
paying those school loans. But he did pay for me
41:23
to go to massage school and cosmetology school. Okay, it
41:27
pretty much ends here McCauley, yes, right about halfway through
41:31
the page answer. Okay, miss McCauley. So, Johanna, that concludes
41:36
my initial peace. I'm going to reserve the rest of
41:38
my time for redirect. I'm going to turn it over
41:41
to Laura Menager. Who is Laura? Can we just take
41:44
a little break McCauley's sure, no problem. The videographer off
41:48
the record at ten oh five, so that looks like
41:50
the perfect place for us to take a break as well.
41:53
And then when we pick back up, we'll get to
41:55
the cross examination by Laura Meninger. All of the information
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