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2025 END OF THE FED | PARALLEL MIKE · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: No Burn, Burn, Burn, Burnbear Me No Burn. That was
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Speaker 1: And today's guest is he Welcome to the show. Organic farmer,
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Speaker 1: investor and host of both the Parallel Systems broadcast and
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Speaker 1: Parallel Mike podcast. He is an advocate for a living
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Speaker 1: purposefully natural health, self sufficiency. Parallel Mike, welcome to the show,
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Speaker 1: my friend. It's good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you too, Right, it's a real honor to be
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Speaker 3: on your show. I'm a huge fun of you. Whack
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Speaker 3: and I second, right, said sponsor the channel, send right
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Speaker 3: some money we need it over here in the rail
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Speaker 3: alternative media, and I class you as one of the
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Speaker 3: rail ones out there, right, It's so huge pleasure to
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Speaker 3: be on your show.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Mike, really appreciate it. I've been
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Speaker 1: on your show a few times, so I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: we need to bring him over here. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I get more and more puzzled by this community the
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Speaker 1: every single day. Mike. It's it's so interesting how people
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Speaker 1: say that Hollywood is satanic and that the celebrities.
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Speaker 2: And the stars are the problem, and LA is a.
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Speaker 1: Cesspool of energy vampires, and that it's a dark, dingy place,
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Speaker 1: which is it's true. I've been there, you know, I
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Speaker 1: was there actually last year, and it is pretty disgusting.
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Speaker 1: But it's so interesting how much garbage people throw at
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Speaker 1: LA and Hollywood and celebrities and rich actors and musicians.
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Speaker 1: And now that there's a tragedy that has happened, and
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of LA is up in flames currently,
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Speaker 1: everyone's now all of a sudden sympathetic.
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Speaker 2: Toward the rich and the powerful and the.
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Speaker 1: Celebrities and the actors and the musicians, right when they
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Speaker 1: were the bane of everyone's existence just a couple of
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Speaker 1: days ago. Isn't that weird how that works?
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Speaker 3: You know, I think a lot of what happens now
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Speaker 3: is weird, right in a lot doesn't make sense. And
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Speaker 3: I think when it comes to narratives, people get on
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Speaker 3: board with what they're told to get on board with.
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Speaker 3: I'm a real big believer that people do what they're
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Speaker 3: told to do, even though a lot of the times
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Speaker 3: they might think that it's come about naturally or that
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Speaker 3: it's come about from the alternative community. I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's quite a few things that have happened
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Speaker 3: over the last few months. For example, there's a big
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Speaker 3: one in the UK, a big story that's broken that's
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Speaker 3: been around for about twenty five years, and I'm always
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Speaker 3: asking myself why now, Like why is that story come
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Speaker 3: around now? And I always think it's because somebody's tender
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Speaker 3: dial on that one. You know, what's happening in la
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Speaker 3: is a tragedy. It's really strange you mention it because
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Speaker 3: I've just done a podcast about an hour ago with
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Speaker 3: my good friend Monica Perez. She was one of the
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Speaker 3: people who actually had a house the heir. Whole street
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Speaker 3: has bent down, So that's crazy. So I'm still kind
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Speaker 3: of processing what she just told me about her experience.
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Speaker 3: She evacuated, her house survived, but it was the only
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Speaker 3: one on the street. Everything up until her house bent down,
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Speaker 3: And her house would have bent down if she hadn't
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Speaker 3: snuck back in after they evacuated and fought the fire
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Speaker 3: with her neighbor. It's a crazy story. If anyone's interested
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Speaker 3: in hearing a personal testimony, you can check that one out.
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Speaker 3: When it drops, I think it'll be tomorrow, the day
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Speaker 3: after cognitive dissonance. But but yeah, I know how you
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Speaker 3: feel right of that. There's a kind of schizophrenia to
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Speaker 3: the alternative media. People one minute are saying one thing, like,
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Speaker 3: for example, North American Union used to be bad, Now
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Speaker 3: it's good. Bitcoin used to be about rebellion against the state.
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Speaker 3: Now it's cheered on because it's going to be pro
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Speaker 3: and they're going to adopt it, like it not if
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Speaker 3: it makes any sense. And I think sometimes you've just
6:05
Speaker 3: got to sit back to my friend and put your
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Speaker 3: feet up and watch the show because it is a
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Speaker 3: big show.
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Speaker 1: You hit the nail on the head there, and when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the fires, it's really funny because no
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Speaker 1: one really cares about the normal, everyday people that are
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Speaker 1: being affected, the people that are just trying to make it,
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Speaker 1: the businesses that are being destroyed. And I believe last
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Speaker 1: I checked. Five people died because of the fires. But
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Speaker 1: all I see is people making videos about which celebrities
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Speaker 1: had their houses destroyed, right Like top ten lists are
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Speaker 1: coming back now, Mike, top ten celebrities that had their
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Speaker 1: houses destroyed by the LA fires. And I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that that's what we should be focusing on, right We
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Speaker 1: should probably be more focused on why the mayor was
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Speaker 1: on vacation. Why weren't there any preventative measures taken by
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Speaker 1: the governor or the mayor. Why were the dams empty
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Speaker 1: when it could supply more water to the firefighters. Why
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Speaker 1: aren't we raking the forests in California to try and
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Speaker 1: prevent these types of fires from happening. Why was it
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Speaker 1: reported that house insurance companies property insurance no longer covered
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Speaker 1: fire insurance that they reportedly Now I'm saying reportedly that
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Speaker 1: that happened back a few months ago, and everyone knew
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Speaker 1: that this could happen. People have been talking about this
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Speaker 1: for years. To me, it seems like a bunch of
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Speaker 1: negligence and greed.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 3: Whenever I hear something like this, I always think, well,
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Speaker 3: what was being done in the build up to it?
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Speaker 3: Why was there so many mistakes. It feels like a
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Speaker 3: snowball of mistakes, right like any one of these things
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Speaker 3: by themselves. You might say, Okay, well that's that's human
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Speaker 3: era that some planet tends peppersful negligence. When I think
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Speaker 3: there's five, six, seven, eight things. And you know, I
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Speaker 3: was reading on a Twitter thread. It was brought up
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Speaker 3: by my friend Harroy. He said, you know, check this
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Speaker 3: out mic, and it was. I think it was amazing Polly.
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Speaker 3: She's got quite a popular Twitter thread. She's a very
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Speaker 3: skeptical person. She kind of digs deep into the research. You'll,
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Speaker 3: I think you'll know who I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: I remember Amazing Poliges. She got her channel scrubbed way
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Speaker 1: back in the in the purge. But yeah, she's a
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Speaker 1: pretty good journalist, Yes she is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: She made a really interesting thread about this fire, about
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Speaker 3: a company that's involved and they had a private contract
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Speaker 3: for all of the specific areas where these fires were.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, Rider, but I just
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Speaker 3: feel like this is our future for now. I think
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Speaker 3: we're going to get a lot more things like this.
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Speaker 3: We can sit and argue about why they happened, who's
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Speaker 3: behind it, what the agendas are, But Ultimately, I think
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Speaker 3: we're going to have to adapt as well and accept
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Speaker 3: that the future is going to have a lot of
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Speaker 3: these strange incidents. And they'll say it's for a climate
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Speaker 3: change and don't blame it on all these other other reasons.
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Speaker 3: But for us, as the little people, I mean, what
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Speaker 3: do we do. We're going to have to become tough,
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Speaker 3: and we're going to have to start having a really
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Speaker 3: good foresight to try and prepare for I mean, hopefully
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Speaker 3: not being there when these things strike. I mean, me
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Speaker 3: and my wife just had a conversation. We live in
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Speaker 3: a forest.
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Speaker 4: It's like, what do you do?
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Speaker 3: I mean, how do you run away from potential forest
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Speaker 3: fires that may or may not be intentionally litle? You know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, right, I don't know how you feel
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Speaker 3: about this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what did your person say that was on
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Speaker 1: your show that's going to be released tomorrow. How did
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Speaker 1: because she was there, she's.
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Speaker 2: In boots on the ground, person that lived there.
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Speaker 1: What did she say about what she's heard how these
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Speaker 1: fires started?
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Speaker 3: She said that the electricity had been turned off, so
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Speaker 3: that was the first thing. It'd been off for like
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Speaker 3: three hours before the fire was even ignited, so it
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Speaker 3: wasn't an electricity pole anything like this, And she said
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Speaker 3: that the fireman told her the rumor was it was
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Speaker 3: ars and it was a firebug, So so it was
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Speaker 3: intentionally set. But again, we're never going to know. We're
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Speaker 3: never going to get any We're never going to get
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Speaker 3: an official statement that says somebody set us, and I
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Speaker 3: don't think what we'll probably get is that it was
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Speaker 3: an climate change fire. I think that's probably what they'll
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Speaker 3: go with, and we can be a skeptical as you want.
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Speaker 3: So I just think our future is going to be
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Speaker 3: very difficult to navigate. Whilst we have all of these
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Speaker 3: strange weather events, we have more civil disobedience, more social unrest,
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Speaker 3: more war, and some of the things we can prepare for,
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Speaker 3: some of the things we can navigate our lives around.
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Speaker 3: For example, you know, if you see the country you're
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Speaker 3: in being dragged into a war, then you might want
10:48
Speaker 3: to get out of there. But when it comes to
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Speaker 3: things like that, like a forest fire, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how you deal with stuff like that rider because unless
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Speaker 3: you try and insulate yourself from everything and live in
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Speaker 3: a bunk out, which most of us ain't going to
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Speaker 3: be doing, then I think we're just going to have
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Speaker 3: to get really resilient and thick skinned and do our best.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean my friend Monica, she she's still
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Speaker 3: clearly in shock. Like we were talking to her, she
11:13
Speaker 3: was very well, you know, she articulated her thoughts really well,
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Speaker 3: and she spoke fantastically, but you can see, you know,
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Speaker 3: somebody's life is kind of flashing before their eyes. She
11:22
Speaker 3: thought she'd lost everything, like her entire life's belongings, and
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Speaker 3: now she's got to contend with going back to a
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Speaker 3: street that is bent down, like all of the infrastructure's gone,
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Speaker 3: everything's melted, there's no electricity, and her house is still there,
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Speaker 3: and you can't sell it because no one's going to
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Speaker 3: buy that house, and yet you've got a massive mortgage
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Speaker 3: on it. So really tough decisions, I think for people
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Speaker 3: like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the only way you're going to
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Speaker 1: get in one of those bunkers if you're Mark Zuckerberg.
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Speaker 1: I think, didn't Mark Zuckerberg build like a huge underground
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Speaker 1: bunker in Hawaii? Yeah? He did?
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Speaker 3: I mean I would if I had all those billions,
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Speaker 3: I'd have about five or six bunkers on different continents.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not surprised at doing it, But then
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Speaker 3: I guess it does beg the question as well, why,
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Speaker 3: like do they have you know, do they have information
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Speaker 3: to make them want to build a bunker? Do they
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Speaker 3: think something major is going to be happening in the
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Speaker 3: next few years? Are they just like those guys and
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Speaker 3: seeing what's going on and saying, well, we can affought
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Speaker 3: a bunk or he'll build one.
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Speaker 1: Well, I can't get rid of this freaking ad at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the screen. But inside Mark Zuckerberg's top
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Speaker 1: secret Hawaii compound, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg is building a sprawling,
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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar compound in Hawaii, complete with plans
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Speaker 1: for a huge underground bunker. Wired investigation reveals the true
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Speaker 1: scale of the project and his impact on the local community.
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Speaker 1: Here's a picture of apparently the land that he purchased
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Speaker 1: in Hawaii. But I don't understand why Hawaii, you like,
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Speaker 1: unless you're, you know, expecting a big like some kind
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Speaker 1: of war in the United States, Because Hawaii I don't
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Speaker 1: believe is a good place to be protected from any
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Speaker 1: kind of natural disasters. I mean, he's a giant island.
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Speaker 1: But it's interesting too because Mark Zuckerberg was just on
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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan today and he's talking about all this censorship
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Speaker 1: from the Biden administration and now he's basically switched gears.
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Speaker 1: He's more on the Elon Musk version of this. He's
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Speaker 1: a bandwagoner. He's just flipping sides for the administration of Trump.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't have won, then he would never have study any
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Speaker 1: of this stuff. But he's saying that the Biden administration
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Speaker 1: would call his people at Facebook and like yell at
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Speaker 1: them and scream at them and tell him to censor
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Speaker 1: people on like Meta and on Instagram and on Facebook
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Speaker 1: and all that. And it's so interesting because I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure he said in court that Facebook never sinceors people's
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Speaker 1: content on there, and now he's completely switched gears. Is
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Speaker 1: very interesting. It's such an interesting time that we live in,
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Speaker 1: Mike thinking. People are flipping back and forth. They don't
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Speaker 1: know what to believe anymore, all this confusion and everything.
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Speaker 1: But thanks for coming on though, brother, I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Can you introduce yourself to the audience where you're from,
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Speaker 1: what your channel is about, and how you got into
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Speaker 1: this type of space and creating your channel? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Sure, So I'm from Great Britain, originally, so I'm from England,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, I had kind of a life before podcasting,
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Speaker 3: as all of us do. I was actually involved in
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Speaker 3: counseling and therapy, so that was kind of my background
14:43
Speaker 3: and I did that for I know, thirteen years so
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Speaker 3: so working with young people, young cararas teenagers. That was
14:51
Speaker 3: kind of the age range that I worked with, trying
14:52
Speaker 3: to get them while they was young so they wasn't
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Speaker 3: kind of wisked off to a life of crime and
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Speaker 3: drugs and all the kind of problems you don't want
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Speaker 3: young people to get involved with. So that was really awesome.
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Speaker 3: It was rewarding work and you know, at some point,
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Speaker 3: at some point I really got interested in finance, just
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Speaker 3: kind of skating over my life a little bit. But
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Speaker 3: I was also an endurance athlete for a time, so
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Speaker 3: I was doing my career and working part time there
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Speaker 3: and then also training pretty much full time as an
15:23
Speaker 3: athlete to try and become an elite ultra runner. So
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Speaker 3: I was running one hundred miles a week and that
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Speaker 3: really was my real passion. It was two passions. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I loved my career, but that came to an end
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Speaker 3: through injury and what we're that left being was with
15:37
Speaker 3: a lot of time, because you know yourself as a
15:40
Speaker 3: podcast if you do anything with a passion, whether it's researching, podcasting,
15:44
Speaker 3: whatever it is, if you love something, you put all
15:47
Speaker 3: your effort and time into it. And then for that
15:49
Speaker 3: with this spot, it just got taken away through injury.
15:52
Speaker 3: I spent years trying to get over the injury. I couldn't,
15:54
Speaker 3: so I had a lot of time on my hand,
15:56
Speaker 3: and that's when I really got interested.
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Speaker 4: In finance and history.
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Speaker 3: I kind of met my wife and we decided the
16:03
Speaker 3: well's looking a little bit iffy, we might we might
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Speaker 3: want a bunker. We didn't get the bunker, but we
16:09
Speaker 3: did want to have like an organic farm, take care
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Speaker 3: of ourselves a little bit more, be off grade, just
16:15
Speaker 3: really start to take back control of our lives. And
16:17
Speaker 3: I realized that the nine to five, or for me,
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Speaker 3: it was more of an.
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Speaker 4: Eight toill light.
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Speaker 3: Let's say it was a busy career, but it wasn't
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Speaker 3: that financially rewarding. My wife too, she was very talented
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Speaker 3: in hair creach. She was an artist. But again, you know,
16:33
Speaker 3: if you're on a salary these days, but you know
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Speaker 3: how it is, it's it's difficult just to make ends meet.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how high you climbing a Korea. Unless
16:41
Speaker 3: you're making money for the people, You're not valued in society.
16:44
Speaker 3: And you know, it's sad to say, and I'm sure
16:46
Speaker 3: listeners and some what I'm saying too. You know, we've
16:48
Speaker 3: got people working like in care professions, nurses they're getting
16:52
Speaker 3: paid west and somebody who works in the bar.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: It's awful.
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Speaker 3: So I decided I needed to fix that, and that's
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Speaker 3: when I got really interested in finance. And all that
17:01
Speaker 3: time I spent running, I now dedicated towards monetary history
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Speaker 3: and finance, and yeah, the rest is kind of history.
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Speaker 3: We moved onto a boat, we lived there, saved every
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Speaker 3: penny we could, just grinded, really, buddy, Yeah, just real,
17:14
Speaker 3: really grinded for about five or six years. And then
17:16
Speaker 3: after that we bought our farm where we live now,
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Speaker 3: so we moved to Central Europe, live on our organic farm.
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Speaker 3: I produce a lot of content around finance and investing,
17:27
Speaker 3: just trying to support really regular people with wealth preservation mainly,
17:32
Speaker 3: so it's not really about you know, yolo get rich
17:36
Speaker 3: or any of that stuff, although it's great if you
17:37
Speaker 3: can end money, but it's more about protecting what you've
17:40
Speaker 3: got on just learning the art of wealth preservation and
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Speaker 3: risk management so we can make it through these really
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Speaker 3: difficult times without losing everything, without having our wealth taken
17:50
Speaker 3: by all kinds of threats that are out there. And
17:53
Speaker 3: then I also started a podcast, and yeah, I was
17:55
Speaker 3: inspired by people like you actually, buddy, so you know,
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Speaker 3: seeing people that was produced because I've got a lot
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Speaker 3: of interest. My degree was actually theology, so I'm quite
18:03
Speaker 3: into the esoteric spirituality.
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Speaker 4: All my life.
18:08
Speaker 3: I've been studying that stuff. So I found my YouTube
18:11
Speaker 3: channel towards finance, like I couldn't help but sometimes start
18:15
Speaker 3: to discuss stuff and people were like, WHOA, what's this
18:17
Speaker 3: mash up here? Like spirituality and finance and it doesn't
18:21
Speaker 3: quite mix. So I thought, right, I'm going to have
18:23
Speaker 3: to make a podcast to really express what I want
18:26
Speaker 3: to express. And now I do both and it takes
18:28
Speaker 3: up a lot of time, but it's very rewarding and
18:31
Speaker 3: get speak to core people like you. I can just
18:33
Speaker 3: call someone overupon message them and say listen, well you
18:35
Speaker 3: can talk to me for two hours on a show
18:37
Speaker 3: and they'll be like, yeah, that's a really awesome gift.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a blessing. But yeah, it's a lot
18:42
Speaker 3: of work. But I do enjoy it, buddy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a lot of work, and I don't
18:47
Speaker 1: think people realize how much work and effort and time
18:49
Speaker 1: and energy to put into all this stuff it takes.
18:53
Speaker 1: I mean we're like a one man show. We do
18:55
Speaker 1: all this stuff ourselves. We create it all. We create
18:57
Speaker 1: the thumbnails, we create the videos, editing the reels, the
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Speaker 1: short videos. Like it's it's all us now. When you
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Speaker 1: said you said you lived on a boat a house
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Speaker 1: but you were on a houseboat.
19:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, I me and my wife moved on to I mean,
19:14
Speaker 3: we can call it a houseboat, but it was eight
19:16
Speaker 3: meters so it wasn't. It was called it a tiny houseboat.
19:21
Speaker 1: So you like lived in your kitchen and in your
19:24
Speaker 1: bathroom pretty much.
19:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bathroom was in the bedroom. It was very
19:29
Speaker 3: well designed.
19:30
Speaker 4: Eight meet a boat. I'll give it that.
19:31
Speaker 3: It was quite well designed. But that was that was
19:35
Speaker 3: the trip, you know, it went. The ice was on
19:38
Speaker 3: the inside, so it gives you an idea. There was
19:40
Speaker 3: no insulation. I mean we had one pane windows and
19:42
Speaker 3: there was no shower on the boat. So I used
19:44
Speaker 3: to get showered on the deck in like minus five
19:47
Speaker 3: I'd be out there in the snow and uh, you know,
19:51
Speaker 3: it taught me a lot. It taught me about living small,
19:55
Speaker 3: appreciating the little things, and also I just loved it actually,
19:59
Speaker 3: you know, been close to nature.
20:01
Speaker 4: We was on the water.
20:01
Speaker 3: There was other people in the marina where we stayed,
20:05
Speaker 3: so I had this quirky little community. Every kind of
20:09
Speaker 3: like societal dropout and you know, stranger and weirdo kind
20:14
Speaker 3: of coalesced around this boat community. So we had a laugh,
20:17
Speaker 3: met loads of interesting people and that gave me. That
20:21
Speaker 3: gave me the excess. You know, I wasn't somebody who
20:25
Speaker 3: was aiming a fortune in my career, so I was like, well,
20:28
Speaker 3: what metrics do I control. I'm not going to be
20:31
Speaker 3: able to increase my salary overnight by like hundreds of thousands.
20:34
Speaker 3: That wasn't possible. Not in Great Britain. The salaries there
20:38
Speaker 3: some of the worst in the world, despite me being
20:40
Speaker 3: quite advanced in my career. You know, I was kind
20:43
Speaker 3: of a manager at the time, but it made no difference.
20:46
Speaker 3: So I was like, well, I'm going to live small
20:48
Speaker 3: and get my outgoings down as much as possible. And
20:50
Speaker 3: that was our sacrifice, was moving to the boat, which
20:53
Speaker 3: turned out not to be a sacrifice at all for
20:55
Speaker 3: me because I loved it and i'd moved back there
20:58
Speaker 3: in a shop, although all that whole wealth change.
21:03
Speaker 1: My wife probably wouldn't like that too much.
21:06
Speaker 3: I know, I don't think she would. She actually was
21:07
Speaker 3: scared at water. She had a bit of a phobia,
21:10
Speaker 3: so that was a challenge for her to live on
21:12
Speaker 3: a boat. And for anyone who's ever stayed on a boat,
21:15
Speaker 3: you know, you're asleep at night, and where we was
21:18
Speaker 3: it was kind of low down into the beth of
21:20
Speaker 3: the boat, and you know, in storms you've got this
21:23
Speaker 3: water sloshing and you have nightmares of drowning because all
21:26
Speaker 3: this what you can hear it. It's like living in
21:27
Speaker 3: a drum. So it's a it's an interesting life. Like
21:31
Speaker 3: I would totally recommend it for anyone that wants adventure
21:34
Speaker 3: or if you want to kind of leave behind mainstream
21:36
Speaker 3: society a bit, then yeah, definitely consider a boat. It's
21:40
Speaker 3: kind of the alternative to van life. And yeah, i'd
21:43
Speaker 3: go back to a boat in a shop, But like
21:44
Speaker 3: you said, convincing the wife at this stage, I think
21:46
Speaker 3: it's an impossibility.
21:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, when you got a farm, and you got
21:50
Speaker 1: an organic farm and you're.
21:52
Speaker 2: Growing a lot of your own food and stuff, do.
21:55
Speaker 1: You have animals on the farm too?
21:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do, not as many as we would be
22:00
Speaker 3: because we've got a difficult situation in the country that
22:02
Speaker 3: we're in, just with it being close to a war,
22:04
Speaker 3: so we've kind of hung fire on a little bit.
22:06
Speaker 3: We've been here about on the farm. We've been here
22:08
Speaker 3: quite a few years, so we've got about one hundred
22:10
Speaker 3: beds mainly so a lot of geese, chickens. We sometimes
22:15
Speaker 3: have rabbits and other small animals. But the goal was
22:19
Speaker 3: always to have, you know, a cow, a milk cow.
22:21
Speaker 3: But our neighbor's got one, so for now we're kind
22:24
Speaker 3: of good there. We get our raw milk from our neighbor,
22:27
Speaker 3: and yeah, where we live is a farming community. So
22:30
Speaker 3: if you don't make it or you don't grow it,
22:32
Speaker 3: somebody close by does, which is ideal because we're trying
22:36
Speaker 3: to be self sufficient. So one thing that you learn
22:40
Speaker 3: very quickly when you try and do that is.
22:41
Speaker 4: It's really hard.
22:43
Speaker 3: You think you're going to be able to do it
22:45
Speaker 3: all yourself, but you can't. I think you need people
22:48
Speaker 3: around you, and it's a lot of work to grow
22:51
Speaker 3: your own food. I think three years in we're getting
22:54
Speaker 3: there now. This year is our most successful year for sure,
22:57
Speaker 3: So I'd say we probably grow about I'd say forty fifty.
23:01
Speaker 3: But we're at that point now where if we needed
23:03
Speaker 3: to ramp it up in a crisis, like turn that
23:05
Speaker 3: dial up and produce enough to survive, we could. I
23:08
Speaker 3: mean from our beds. We probably will be getting about
23:11
Speaker 3: sixty seventy eggs a week this year, so that's a lot,
23:16
Speaker 3: you know, and we sell them. We trade them with neighbors.
23:18
Speaker 3: My heairdresser she takes eggs as payment, but when I
23:22
Speaker 3: go to the city, take my eggs with me and
23:24
Speaker 3: she'll accept payment in eggs, because you know, people want quality.
23:28
Speaker 3: And our beds get to you know, they ain't living
23:32
Speaker 3: in some shabby room. They can go and eat the grass.
23:34
Speaker 3: We'll let them.
23:35
Speaker 4: Got a big plot of land.
23:36
Speaker 3: So so yeah, we're doing as much as we can.
23:39
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's the ethos that I try
23:42
Speaker 3: and share with people, is do as much as you can.
23:44
Speaker 3: Like even when I lived on the boat Rider eight
23:46
Speaker 3: meter boat, we had decking going around it. We grew
23:49
Speaker 3: potatoes and sacks, we had heabs, we had all kinds
23:53
Speaker 3: of stuff. The duck community where we lived was very
23:56
Speaker 3: happy with our boat because they could come and steal
23:58
Speaker 3: all of our food. And I always to try and
24:02
Speaker 3: advocate to people, like, don't look to somebody who's living
24:05
Speaker 3: on a farm or whatnot and think, oh, I wish
24:08
Speaker 3: I could.
24:08
Speaker 4: I'm not.
24:09
Speaker 3: I'm never going to get there because we started small
24:11
Speaker 3: as well. We started as small as you can get.
24:14
Speaker 3: And I think it's I think in life, it's always
24:17
Speaker 3: about taking the steps you can take and then just
24:19
Speaker 3: expanding slowly. Don't try and you know, sprint for the
24:23
Speaker 3: finish right away, because there's a lot of learning required
24:26
Speaker 3: as well. Like we we've leant so much in three years.
24:28
Speaker 3: We made so many mistakes, and I think that's part
24:30
Speaker 3: of the process as well.
24:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I think that a lot of people they
24:36
Speaker 1: want to live on a farm because you know, back
24:40
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, it was more like the people that were,
24:43
Speaker 1: you know, on a farm, they were kind of looked
24:45
Speaker 1: at as like you know, hicks and like rednecks, and
24:48
Speaker 1: like that's not what people want to do when they
24:50
Speaker 1: want to live in the city. And now it's like
24:52
Speaker 1: flipped back around. You know, now the van life seems
24:56
Speaker 1: like the dream life, and having an organic far sounds
25:01
Speaker 1: like the dream life. And having chickens and late eggs,
25:04
Speaker 1: it seems like the dream life. Now, you know, it's crazy,
25:08
Speaker 1: Like that is really crazy. And you know what strange
25:10
Speaker 1: star I was thinking about this is as the pendulum
25:12
Speaker 1: swung from you know, yeah, the farms.
25:15
Speaker 4: Are for the poor people. I mean it was the
25:18
Speaker 4: poor people. They had to do that.
25:20
Speaker 3: And then it was like the people who could choose
25:22
Speaker 3: to get somebody else to produce the food, water, and energy,
25:25
Speaker 3: they would and they'd live in a city and get
25:26
Speaker 3: it all delivered. And then all of a sudden people
25:29
Speaker 3: were like, well, I don't know if I'd trust these
25:31
Speaker 3: systems anymore. I mean, they're not letting me go into
25:33
Speaker 3: Starbucks without a mask and a cad And all of
25:36
Speaker 3: a sudden people started to this distrust in the modernity
25:42
Speaker 3: began to arise, and then they started to go back
25:45
Speaker 3: the other way. But the problem is now going back
25:48
Speaker 3: from the city to the farm. First, first, and foremost,
25:50
Speaker 3: you've been severed from all of those skills, that intergenerational
25:54
Speaker 3: knowledge that you would have had passed down from you know,
25:57
Speaker 3: parent to child and grandparent to grandchild. The communities as
26:01
Speaker 3: well are harder to get into because of course they're
26:04
Speaker 3: all established. So you just kind of this city guy
26:08
Speaker 3: turning up and being like, I want a farm, and
26:10
Speaker 3: they're like, well, good look, and it is kind of
26:13
Speaker 3: like that. You know, you've got to work you into
26:14
Speaker 3: those communities. But then the other thing, right is it's
26:17
Speaker 3: so it's not so easy. There's a barrier of entry
26:20
Speaker 3: for most people in terms of cost. You know, it
26:23
Speaker 3: used to be anyone could buy a cheap plot of land.
26:25
Speaker 3: I think back in you know, the early nineteen tens,
26:28
Speaker 3: nineteen twenties in America, they were begging people to go
26:30
Speaker 3: onto the land.
26:31
Speaker 4: They were saying, you know.
26:32
Speaker 3: We'll give you some acres, we'll set you up and
26:35
Speaker 3: the Department, I don't know, the Department of Agriculture. Maybe
26:39
Speaker 3: you can still buy this pamphlet online. It's like a
26:41
Speaker 3: little green book and it was designed for homesteaders and
26:45
Speaker 3: it was produced by the American government, and they were
26:47
Speaker 3: showing you how to set up a I think it
26:49
Speaker 3: was a two acre or three acre plot perfectly to
26:52
Speaker 3: produce everything you needed to survive. And nowadays, though I
26:56
Speaker 3: don't think that's what they want for people. I don't
26:58
Speaker 3: think they want you to be so division.
27:01
Speaker 1: No, they've they've they've turned that into because it used
27:04
Speaker 1: to be in some states it's still like this where
27:08
Speaker 1: you go fill out a form. I forget exactly what
27:11
Speaker 1: the name of the form is, but it's if you
27:14
Speaker 1: want to buy land and like build on the land,
27:17
Speaker 1: you get the land for a cheaper rate. And now
27:21
Speaker 1: a lot of states have turned that into it's only
27:24
Speaker 1: for like low income housing projects and like big companies
27:28
Speaker 1: and big like corporations that want to come in and
27:30
Speaker 1: put a bunch of low income housing or like apartments
27:33
Speaker 1: or whatever there. It's no longer for the common everyday
27:37
Speaker 1: person if they want to go and purchase land. It's
27:40
Speaker 1: now for people that you know, companies and low income housing.
27:46
Speaker 1: So now you can't even fill out that form anymore
27:50
Speaker 1: and get land for cheap, even if you had enough
27:52
Speaker 1: money to build a house now or a farm, whatever
27:56
Speaker 1: you want to do.
27:57
Speaker 3: The back entry is way high, and a lot of
27:59
Speaker 3: people going back to farming. I like, middle class people
28:02
Speaker 3: like hobby farms, and you know, I totally get it.
28:05
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. They're not doing anything wrong,
28:07
Speaker 3: But I think it's really sad that people can't choose that.
28:11
Speaker 3: You know that that's not something that you can easily choose.
28:14
Speaker 3: Should I say, you can't choose it, but you're going
28:16
Speaker 3: to have to probably work harder for it than you
28:17
Speaker 3: would have done twenty thirty years ago. And land prices
28:20
Speaker 3: just keep going up and up. In the UK, for example,
28:24
Speaker 3: if you want to buy if you wanted to buy
28:25
Speaker 3: four hectares of farmland, you're talking millions of pounds, so
28:30
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of million dollars, and that's not something
28:33
Speaker 3: that you know, your every day working class person can do. Fortunately,
28:37
Speaker 3: in the country I live, it's still feasible. You know,
28:40
Speaker 3: if a young person gets to, you know, twenty years
28:43
Speaker 3: old and decides they want to buy a farm instead
28:45
Speaker 3: of living in a city, you'll be able to buy
28:47
Speaker 3: your farm cheaper than you would buying the house in
28:49
Speaker 3: the city. So you've got the optionality and there's no
28:53
Speaker 3: high bar to entry. You could choose anywhere in the
28:55
Speaker 3: country and probably be able to afford a farm. But
28:57
Speaker 3: I think those days will pass us by quite quickly,
29:01
Speaker 3: and so I think now we're living in that phase
29:04
Speaker 3: of history. Why if you want to get back to
29:06
Speaker 3: the land. You've got the chance and the opportunity, but
29:08
Speaker 3: it has to be now. I think ten to fifteen
29:10
Speaker 3: years could be too late for a lot of people.
29:13
Speaker 3: Maybe rich for tirees could have fought someone, but for
29:15
Speaker 3: the every day past and it will be difficult.
29:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of like the financial system, like you're I
29:23
Speaker 1: guess I could call you a could you call yourself
29:25
Speaker 1: a financial analyst? Absolutely?
29:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, a financial analyst and monetary historian. I guess of
29:33
Speaker 3: the two things that I do.
29:35
Speaker 1: So what because a lot of people think that they're
29:38
Speaker 1: going to become like rich overnight with buying stocks and
29:42
Speaker 1: like trading, They're all of a sudden're going to get
29:44
Speaker 1: into your thousands and thousands of dollars. And that's not
29:47
Speaker 1: normally how it works. It's normally takes a lot of
29:51
Speaker 1: time and patience and like waiting and buying something really
29:54
Speaker 1: low and waiting sometimes years for something to actually shoot up.
30:00
Speaker 1: Is that what you've come across to with investing in
30:04
Speaker 1: stocks and how does that work?
30:07
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so.
30:08
Speaker 3: I think we all hear the stories of the person
30:11
Speaker 3: who bought you know, bitcoin at a few bucks and
30:15
Speaker 3: them and millions off it because they bought like fifty
30:17
Speaker 3: bit coin. But even then that person who did that, Polly,
30:21
Speaker 3: was a buy and holder. You know, the reason they
30:23
Speaker 3: did that is because they truly believed in something. They
30:25
Speaker 3: bought it when nobody else cared.
30:27
Speaker 1: Really, Oh no, Mike Crows, I'll come back, jo throw.
30:39
Speaker 1: The only affordable places are always in the middle of nowhere. Yea,
30:43
Speaker 1: that is definitely the case. That is definitely the case
30:47
Speaker 1: with the United States for sure.
30:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, buddy, there's some connection issue there. But yeah,
30:54
Speaker 3: and then you've got the other narrative, which is, you know,
30:55
Speaker 3: you buy something and you get rich overnight, and you
30:58
Speaker 3: know that is truly a fantasy. And the thing the
31:01
Speaker 3: reason is, even if you was lucky enough to do that,
31:03
Speaker 3: and don't get me wrong, if you're invest in smart
31:06
Speaker 3: and you're buying, you know, you learn how to buy,
31:08
Speaker 3: find something that's undervalued, and you have a thesis like
31:12
Speaker 3: let's say, for example, you find a great company, it's
31:15
Speaker 3: got a lot of potential, the markets don't care about
31:18
Speaker 3: it right now. Maybe they're producing a commodity that you think,
31:21
Speaker 3: because you've analyzed the sector, is going to be in
31:24
Speaker 3: real need in two, three, four years, So you buy
31:27
Speaker 3: this little company and that company could easy.
31:33
Speaker 1: Oh no, broll, you're freezing up. Hardcore Gremlin's got you,
31:39
Speaker 1: bro Jothora. It takes a while to learn how to
31:44
Speaker 1: be a gardener. Yes, it really does.
31:48
Speaker 3: Hey, buddy, Yeah, I think sometimes i've uh it said
31:51
Speaker 3: there was an issue with the connection. But yeah, so
31:53
Speaker 3: that shall I pick up where I left off. We'll
31:55
Speaker 3: get to just continue.
31:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you you were saying that about the if
32:01
Speaker 1: you find a company that you really want to invest
32:04
Speaker 1: in and you think that it's going to be profitable
32:05
Speaker 1: in three or four years, that's where we.
32:07
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, so you you can do that, and
32:10
Speaker 3: you know, if you've got a good idea about that company,
32:12
Speaker 3: let's say it's producing a commodity that you think the
32:14
Speaker 3: world really is going to need, there's going to be
32:16
Speaker 3: a shortage. You've done your analysis, then you're putting in
32:19
Speaker 3: all this hard work, and then you're putting your money there,
32:22
Speaker 3: and that hard work will pay off because at some point,
32:25
Speaker 3: if you got it right and if you was good
32:27
Speaker 3: at your analysis, that will pay off in the future
32:29
Speaker 3: and you could get you know, four hundred percent, five
32:31
Speaker 3: hundred percent, it happens. Sometimes it's twenty percent. Sometimes it's
32:35
Speaker 3: fifty percent. The goal is just not to lose, and
32:37
Speaker 3: that over time you continually add and compound that wealth.
32:41
Speaker 3: You know, you'll see those increases and then you'll hopefully
32:43
Speaker 3: convert it into something, whether it's gold, silver, property, whatever
32:47
Speaker 3: it is. And then there's the people who think that,
32:50
Speaker 3: you know, you put your money into something and in
32:51
Speaker 3: three weeks time you've got a million dollars. You know,
32:53
Speaker 3: you put two grand in and you've got a million,
32:55
Speaker 3: and they hear the stories and they seek that, and
32:59
Speaker 3: that rarely, if ever, happens, and when it does happen,
33:02
Speaker 3: usually that person was just like a one in one
33:05
Speaker 3: hundred million shot. They got lucky, and then they lose
33:08
Speaker 3: it all. And the reason they lose it all rider
33:10
Speaker 3: is because it's kind of like driving your car at
33:12
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty miles an hour. You've lost all
33:15
Speaker 3: risk management. You don't know what you're doing. You're just
33:18
Speaker 3: living for the thrill. You can get away with it once,
33:21
Speaker 3: but if that's your modus operandi, you're eventually going to
33:24
Speaker 3: wipe out. And that's usually what happens. So it's always
33:27
Speaker 3: a case of the slow and steady does win the race.
33:30
Speaker 3: And there's a great book. If you want to outleine
33:32
Speaker 3: a little bit more about the fast life in investing,
33:35
Speaker 3: it's called market Wizards and.
33:40
Speaker 4: Schwarzer.
33:41
Speaker 3: I think it's called Oswaga, but market wizards won. And
33:45
Speaker 3: what you find is the traders, the people who really
33:47
Speaker 3: accel at trading. They have a high tolerance for risk,
33:51
Speaker 3: but also oftentimes they'll go bankrupt and wipe themselves out
33:54
Speaker 3: four or five times before they eventually get there. They
33:58
Speaker 3: have to be persistent, and you usually they have a
34:01
Speaker 3: lot of suffering fast. Oftentimes they have marriage breakdowns and
34:06
Speaker 3: family members be selling them and then usually they get
34:08
Speaker 3: there in the end. And that's because, yeah, the high
34:11
Speaker 3: risk game has you know, lived by the sort of
34:14
Speaker 3: die by this side. And for everyone that makes it
34:15
Speaker 3: as a high risk trader, there'll be thousands of others
34:19
Speaker 3: that you end up depressed and probably working at McDonald's.
34:23
Speaker 3: So I always advocate for people just learn the fundamentals,
34:26
Speaker 3: lend the basics. Value investing is still extremely powerful if
34:31
Speaker 3: you know how to do it, because essentially what it
34:33
Speaker 3: is right it's about finding something that's really cheap, that's undervalued,
34:37
Speaker 3: and then waiting for the people to realize that they
34:39
Speaker 3: overlooked it and if you get good at that, you
34:42
Speaker 3: can do it consistently. And when you do something consistently
34:45
Speaker 3: and it's repeatable, then you've got the makings of long term.
34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, long term success. That makes sense. And I think
34:54
Speaker 1: that there's a really big issue with people that they
34:58
Speaker 1: don't have the patience to wait on something going up,
35:01
Speaker 1: like because I think a lot of people that are
35:04
Speaker 1: investing and I've ran into it as well, because I
35:08
Speaker 1: invested a lot back in like before twenty twenty and
35:12
Speaker 1: then you know, that whole thing happened and then I
35:15
Speaker 1: needed to get out of it. So I took a
35:17
Speaker 1: really big loss on that because I needed that extra money.
35:21
Speaker 1: And but if I would have left it in there,
35:25
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of money right now because
35:28
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, five years later and what I
35:32
Speaker 1: had on that before has now gone through the roof.
35:36
Speaker 1: But I took a loss on it five years ago
35:38
Speaker 1: because I needed the money out of there. So I
35:42
Speaker 1: think that is yeaheah. Do you think if like you
35:47
Speaker 1: bought something like really cheap and you just like sat
35:49
Speaker 1: on it, like really, no matter what it is, it's
35:51
Speaker 1: eventually going to go up, right, It's not like you're
35:56
Speaker 1: It's not like it's going to just completely go away,
35:58
Speaker 1: right Like if you buy something really cheap, is going
36:01
Speaker 1: to eventually go up at some point. You just don't
36:03
Speaker 1: know when it's going to go up.
36:06
Speaker 4: You know.
36:06
Speaker 3: A really good example is oil in twenty twenty, when
36:09
Speaker 3: the world went into this big slow down, and then
36:11
Speaker 3: what you saw was the future price of oil actually
36:14
Speaker 3: went negative for a time. Now, it didn't mean you
36:16
Speaker 3: could buy oil for you could get given oil for free.
36:19
Speaker 3: But what it meant is that the world was anticipating
36:21
Speaker 3: there was such a slowdown that on these futures contracts
36:24
Speaker 3: they all started to collapse. So if you was looking
36:27
Speaker 3: at oil companies back then, you could buy them at
36:29
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen twenty year lows. And at that point
36:33
Speaker 3: you just take a step back and you say, well,
36:35
Speaker 3: what's the most used commodity in the world? Oil? What
36:39
Speaker 3: can't we live without oil? Everything that I look around
36:42
Speaker 3: when I look around this room, everything that I see
36:44
Speaker 3: requires oil, all of our transportation, everything you can't live
36:48
Speaker 3: without rider. So is it really the case that we're
36:51
Speaker 3: not going to be using oil at the same rate
36:54
Speaker 3: in three four years, that it's not going to bounce back?
36:55
Speaker 3: I mean, it was ludicrous, what was happening. So in
36:58
Speaker 3: that instance, you are totally right. You just buy it
37:01
Speaker 3: and wait wait for the people to stop overreacting. Because
37:05
Speaker 3: the markets are like human beings in general, they are
37:08
Speaker 3: extreme in their overreactions. So when there's good news, let's say,
37:13
Speaker 3: for example, you know, Trump mentions bitcoin, Elon mentions pepe Coin,
37:18
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, everyone dives into it and
37:20
Speaker 3: it's like a schizophrenia to the hyper optimism. And then
37:24
Speaker 3: a few days later it fades because people realize they overreacted.
37:27
Speaker 3: And it's the same with negative information. You know, Okay,
37:31
Speaker 3: we're locking down, you can't go to Starbucks whatever it is. Okay,
37:35
Speaker 3: but the weld's not going to cease. We're still going
37:37
Speaker 3: to move around. Good still have to go around the world.
37:40
Speaker 3: People still have to feed themselves. Oil is not going
37:42
Speaker 3: to disappear. And you know, even with these narratives around
37:45
Speaker 3: climate change, we're still going to be using oil for
37:47
Speaker 3: decades and decades and decades. In fact, I don't think
37:50
Speaker 3: we'll ever stop using oil. Rider So I just think, yeah.
37:54
Speaker 1: In our lifetime, certainly, not in our life.
37:57
Speaker 4: No way, And that's it.
37:58
Speaker 3: So I think I think the real art of investing
38:01
Speaker 3: is actually just to have a clear head and not
38:03
Speaker 3: to not to get too hyped on the up and
38:05
Speaker 3: not to get too depressed on the down, and also
38:08
Speaker 3: to use the masses and their psychology is your barometer
38:12
Speaker 3: of what not to do. Kind of do the investor
38:14
Speaker 3: of other people. If everyone's talking about something, then who
38:17
Speaker 3: you're going to sell it to? You actually want to
38:19
Speaker 3: buy something before everyone's talking about it, and sell it
38:22
Speaker 3: to them when everyone's talking about it, because that's usually
38:25
Speaker 3: when the last few buyers are there and at that
38:27
Speaker 3: point there's only one way for it to go, which
38:28
Speaker 3: is down. So I mean this is just me and
38:32
Speaker 3: my personal viewpoint, but I think, you know, try and
38:35
Speaker 3: buy stuff that people ain't speaking about. When people have
38:38
Speaker 3: had enough of it, that's when to start looking at
38:40
Speaker 3: a sector. And yeah, I've never known that it means
38:43
Speaker 3: the lowest risk way of investing. You know, you're less
38:46
Speaker 3: likely to get ben that way.
38:50
Speaker 1: So what do we think about cryptocurrency just in general
38:53
Speaker 1: as a form of currency. Do you invest in crypto
38:57
Speaker 1: at all?
38:59
Speaker 5: No?
38:59
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think it always comes down
39:02
Speaker 3: to having a clear view of you know, investment speculation
39:06
Speaker 3: and wealth preservation and knowing the difference. You know, wealth
39:09
Speaker 3: preservation is to protect yourself from inflation, to protect yourself
39:13
Speaker 3: from confiscation, currency collapse. So that might be gold, for example,
39:17
Speaker 3: it's universally accepted. It pretty much keeps up with inflation.
39:21
Speaker 3: If they tomorrow, if you work up tomorrow and the
39:24
Speaker 3: currency was deleted, they said, the dollars worthless. Well, it's
39:27
Speaker 3: hyper inflated. Whatever your gold would survive and you could
39:31
Speaker 3: essentially turn it into any other currency. It's like the
39:33
Speaker 3: king of the of money. So that's a wealth preserver.
39:36
Speaker 3: Then you've got investments, which is where, like I said,
39:39
Speaker 3: you do the research and you have a thesis and
39:41
Speaker 3: it's something you can buy and hold. And then you've
39:43
Speaker 3: got speculations, which is where nobody knows what's going to
39:46
Speaker 3: happen with them. The risks are high, very volatile. It
39:49
Speaker 3: could go to zero or it could make you rich.
39:52
Speaker 3: And I think cryptoes mainly fall into that category. In fact,
39:57
Speaker 3: i'd say all of them do, even Bitcoin. That's my
40:01
Speaker 3: personal take. So if I was going to use them,
40:03
Speaker 3: it would be for a kind of sophisticated gambling, like
40:06
Speaker 3: can I can I outwit the everyday person buying these things,
40:11
Speaker 3: which isn't too hard because the everyday person is just
40:13
Speaker 3: going to fallow narratives, so I guess, but I don't
40:16
Speaker 3: personally mess around with cryptoes. I've never been that interested
40:19
Speaker 3: in it. I've got a few just simple rules. You know,
40:23
Speaker 3: buy stuff that you enjoy, are interested in something that
40:26
Speaker 3: you want to learn about, something you can get passionate about.
40:29
Speaker 4: You don't have to love it.
40:30
Speaker 3: But for me, commodities, for example, I find it interesting.
40:33
Speaker 3: I like to look at what you know, how do
40:35
Speaker 3: you build a mind, what's the capacity of it? I
40:38
Speaker 3: don't mind looking into that stuff, whereas cryptoes and technology
40:41
Speaker 3: just isn't my thing, so I avoid it. I know
40:44
Speaker 3: people have, you know, went a lot of money through it.
40:46
Speaker 3: It's with speculation, people who bought bitcoin when it was
40:50
Speaker 3: really cheap and just held onto it. So I've got
40:52
Speaker 3: nothing against it, but I certainly don't think it's it's
40:55
Speaker 3: here to benefit society like bitcoin even I think think
41:00
Speaker 3: it's probably there to ultimately take us towards central back
41:03
Speaker 3: digital currencies and technocracy. I think the whole space has
41:07
Speaker 3: been artificially pumped and built out over the last fifteen years,
41:11
Speaker 3: and the arc of the narrative from it being like
41:13
Speaker 3: a rebel asset against the state to now being adopted
41:16
Speaker 3: by this day. I think it's all by design, So
41:18
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of a conspiracy theorist when it
41:21
Speaker 3: comes to that. I don't think they ever were worried
41:23
Speaker 3: by bitcoin. I think all along it was used as
41:26
Speaker 3: the catalyst to take us towards a more technocratic digital system.
41:30
Speaker 3: And now right all the infrastructures there, the president's pumping it,
41:34
Speaker 3: and all it's going to take is for that switch
41:37
Speaker 3: to be flipped. And what you might find is that
41:40
Speaker 3: bitcoin eventually has the rug pulled on it, and yet
41:43
Speaker 3: all of the infrastructure remains. And guess what they're going
41:46
Speaker 3: to use it, And they're going to create CBDCs on
41:49
Speaker 3: the back of it. Maybe they'll give you a decentralized
41:51
Speaker 3: looking version, but ultimately I think they can probably already
41:55
Speaker 3: do a pretty good job of triangulating who's who on
41:57
Speaker 3: the blockchain. Blockchain analytics become very sophisticated that even you,
42:02
Speaker 3: I mean most people would say, now bitcoin really isn't
42:06
Speaker 3: that private. You can maybe go to Monera or something
42:08
Speaker 3: like that. So I'd say cheat them as speculations, certainly,
42:11
Speaker 3: don't trust them for all financial privacy. I think for
42:14
Speaker 3: that you want to be looking out looking at hot assets,
42:18
Speaker 3: I'd say is probably the best thing for financial privacy.
42:21
Speaker 1: So you think Bitcoin is going to end up collapsing
42:24
Speaker 1: and then they're going to roll out a new coin
42:26
Speaker 1: on top of the infrastructure of bitcoin, because this is
42:29
Speaker 1: a thing that people have been talking about for a
42:31
Speaker 1: really long time, that the dollar is going to collapse,
42:35
Speaker 1: it's going to be valueless, and then we're going to
42:37
Speaker 1: go to a digital currency. And you don't think that
42:41
Speaker 1: that's going to be bitcoin or is it going to
42:44
Speaker 1: be bitcoin for a certain period of time. I mean,
42:47
Speaker 1: we know that a lot of the US banks has
42:48
Speaker 1: been reports that the US banks has been has the
42:51
Speaker 1: infrastructure for using XRP for all of their stuff for
42:57
Speaker 1: a really long time. They've had that infrastructure, I think
42:59
Speaker 1: since like twenty twenty. They've been working on that and
43:03
Speaker 1: had that infrastructure for XRP. And this switch from the
43:06
Speaker 1: digital from the regular dollar to this XRP dollar, and
43:11
Speaker 1: that was a Bank of America. I've heard the literally
43:14
Speaker 1: the lady the president of Bank.
43:16
Speaker 2: Of America talk about how.
43:19
Speaker 1: Their infrastructure that they're working on is going to be
43:23
Speaker 1: backed by XRP. So unless she's lying, or unless it's
43:28
Speaker 1: switched since then, since you know, four or five years ago,
43:32
Speaker 1: then that seems to be the direction that they're going.
43:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think right now XP is being used in
43:41
Speaker 3: nine different central bank digital currency trials, so it's that
43:44
Speaker 3: only one of the preferred ones.
43:46
Speaker 1: Now.
43:46
Speaker 3: The reason why that all of a sudden utending on
43:49
Speaker 3: bigcoin is fast that he doesn't pose a threat to them,
43:52
Speaker 3: and secondly, because they're using it to backstop US debt,
43:56
Speaker 3: and the way they're doing that is to stable coins
43:59
Speaker 3: like tether. And what's happening is over fifty percent of
44:04
Speaker 3: all transactions of bitcoin US tether, so fifty just using
44:09
Speaker 3: one stable coin, and a stable coin for listeners that
44:11
Speaker 3: don't know, is a form of crypto currency that is
44:14
Speaker 3: supposedly backed one to one with another currency that we
44:17
Speaker 3: actually use in day to day transactions, like the dollar.
44:20
Speaker 3: So tethers say that for every one teather there is
44:22
Speaker 3: a dollar backed reserve in their in their reserves, but
44:27
Speaker 3: no one's ever audited them, so we don't know. They
44:29
Speaker 3: could essentially be printing money.
44:31
Speaker 1: And the reason so much like the Federal reserve for
44:33
Speaker 1: every dollar we have goal and there's.
44:36
Speaker 4: Nothing it's just the same. It's a private company.
44:40
Speaker 3: But what happened is because because tethers used so frequently
44:47
Speaker 3: when it comes to bitcoin transactions is intimately linked to it.
44:50
Speaker 3: Because what most people do, the big investment, the big
44:53
Speaker 3: investment firms or traders, is they'll pack their money in
44:57
Speaker 3: tether and then when they're not when they want to
44:59
Speaker 3: leave kind they'll put it into tether and then they'll
45:01
Speaker 3: go back from tether to bitcoin because it's more efficient
45:03
Speaker 3: and they don't have to pay fees by getting that
45:05
Speaker 3: bitcoin out into a bank, because it's actually quite expensive
45:08
Speaker 3: to get bitcoin out and it's a labor labor some process,
45:11
Speaker 3: but to just convet from bitcoin to tether's easy. Also,
45:14
Speaker 3: Teather's been used in a lot of third world countries,
45:18
Speaker 3: second world countries that have dodge occurrencies, so it's expanded massively.
45:22
Speaker 3: It's the most used coin in the world. It's not bitcoin,
45:24
Speaker 3: it's tether. And what tether do is whenever somebody, whenever
45:29
Speaker 3: they increase their profits, is they will then cycle that
45:33
Speaker 3: into US treasuries, which is US debt. So you can
45:36
Speaker 3: see here how the whole crypto space now is intimately
45:39
Speaker 3: linked with the US debt because as these stable coins,
45:41
Speaker 3: and it's not just Tether, there's about four or five
45:43
Speaker 3: other major ones, including XRP. I think the Ripple Labs
45:48
Speaker 3: people they've got a stable coin coming out next year,
45:51
Speaker 3: and they're all putting their reserves into US debt. So
45:53
Speaker 3: you can see for the US and the government, this
45:56
Speaker 3: is extremely useful because all of these other nations China, Russia, India,
46:02
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabian, none of them actually want to hold US
46:04
Speaker 3: debt anymore. They're actually cycling out of US treasuries and
46:07
Speaker 3: going into gold because they no longer trust the US
46:10
Speaker 3: and they probably think long time the dollar is going
46:13
Speaker 3: to die, which is precisely what you said. Even European
46:15
Speaker 3: banks now if you look at for example, Poland or
46:19
Speaker 3: Hungary and Czech Republic, they're buying a lot of gold.
46:22
Speaker 3: So it's like all the central banks are preparing for
46:24
Speaker 3: the end of the current system. They're not going to bitcoin,
46:26
Speaker 3: they're going to gold. China is going to gold, Russia
46:30
Speaker 3: has extremely large gold reserves. So the US is stuck.
46:34
Speaker 3: How are we going to fund ourselves? How are we
46:36
Speaker 3: going to keep this ponzi scheme going? Aha cryptocurrencies and
46:40
Speaker 3: by pushing bitcoin onto the masses. Now, the more people
46:43
Speaker 3: that go into bitcoin, the higher the reserves of these
46:46
Speaker 3: stable coins will go because they move in tandem. So
46:49
Speaker 3: if you look at the price of bitcoin going up,
46:51
Speaker 3: the reserves of tether go up and all the other ones,
46:53
Speaker 3: and then they can buy more US debts. So it's
46:55
Speaker 3: this kind of toxic debt cycle. So it's kind of sad,
46:59
Speaker 3: kind of of course, people in the bitcoin community don't
47:02
Speaker 3: like to speak about it. It's a bit of a
47:04
Speaker 3: dirty secret. But you know, if you look at the
47:06
Speaker 3: Tennessee Bitcoin Conference from twenty twenty four and just watch
47:10
Speaker 3: that speech from Howard Lutnick, who is Donald Trump's Secretary
47:14
Speaker 3: of Commerce, he literally tells you in it, the reason
47:16
Speaker 3: why I'm here is because of Tether and for US debt.
47:19
Speaker 3: We need to backstop this US debt and keep the
47:22
Speaker 3: Americans' lifestyle artificially inflated, because of course America exports its
47:27
Speaker 3: inflation by having the reserve currency. So that's a long
47:31
Speaker 3: way of saying that, No, I don't think it's for
47:33
Speaker 3: the good of the people. I think it's for the
47:36
Speaker 3: continuance of the federal reserve system, which is kind of
47:38
Speaker 3: the antithesis of what bitcoin was. Meant to be. And
47:41
Speaker 3: in the endgame, what I imagine happens because of that
47:44
Speaker 3: is that at some point they'll have all of the
47:47
Speaker 3: dominoes set up ready for the central back digital currency,
47:50
Speaker 3: they'll knock it down. They'll pull the rug on bitcoin.
47:52
Speaker 3: I don't think it will be in the next monetary system,
47:55
Speaker 3: which I think maybe is. I don't know, maybe by
47:57
Speaker 3: twenty thirty we get there. Maybe maybe they do continue
48:00
Speaker 3: to use it rather, maybe they allow you to have
48:02
Speaker 3: a wallet that's centrally controlled, so maybe you have to
48:05
Speaker 3: have a wallet at your bank. You can still have
48:07
Speaker 3: your bitcoin in there, you can have your XAP whatever
48:10
Speaker 3: you want, but they'll still have oversight because they'll control
48:13
Speaker 3: the superstructure around these assets. That's another potential outcome, in
48:18
Speaker 3: which case the bitcoin narrative won't be so sexy anymore
48:21
Speaker 3: because it won't be going up tens of thousands of
48:23
Speaker 3: percent of that point, it will just be another asset.
48:26
Speaker 4: So that's my take.
48:29
Speaker 1: What would be the advantages of having tether investing in
48:34
Speaker 1: tether coin other than to exchange out your bitcoin or
48:37
Speaker 1: other cryptocurrencies, does a whod as like a like I
48:44
Speaker 1: guess you could invest in it to protect your like
48:48
Speaker 1: regular assets, like maybe to protect your purchasing power that
48:52
Speaker 1: you already have in there, I guess would be the
48:55
Speaker 1: only benefit. And then I guess you're saying that it
48:58
Speaker 1: could double the because there's a one for one right now,
49:01
Speaker 1: what if it becomes like a two for one.
49:03
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. Nobody knows what it is.
49:05
Speaker 3: They say it's a one for one, but not that
49:07
Speaker 3: they have consistently refused to audit themselves, and there was
49:12
Speaker 3: a lot of speculation. There was some studies done by
49:15
Speaker 3: economists who were saying, listen, we don't actually trust this
49:18
Speaker 3: company if you look into the background. I've had a
49:22
Speaker 3: lot of legal cases brought against them, and they always
49:26
Speaker 3: promise that we will do a full audit to show
49:28
Speaker 3: you that way back. Because if they're not Backdrider, then
49:31
Speaker 3: it's a scamra it's a Ponzi skid. They're pretending they've
49:34
Speaker 3: got reserves. They're issuing something that can function as a
49:38
Speaker 3: dollar like you can issue for example, they can issue
49:42
Speaker 3: a million teather tomorrow and use it to buy real assets,
49:45
Speaker 3: including bitcoin and the This was the accusation against them
49:50
Speaker 3: that they were minting teather that was not backed by
49:53
Speaker 3: rail dollars, I say rail dollars. The dollars are fictional anyways,
49:57
Speaker 3: but there wasn't backed by actual dollars, and they were
50:00
Speaker 3: using it to pump up the bitcoin price and then
50:02
Speaker 3: cycling from tether to bitcoin and then back to tether
50:06
Speaker 3: or back to actual real dollars, and you know, putting
50:08
Speaker 3: into their reserves, and nobody can prove one way or
50:12
Speaker 3: another because they refuse to be audited.
50:13
Speaker 4: They just they.
50:15
Speaker 3: Basically fired their own auditor. When they did try to
50:17
Speaker 3: audit themselves. They might have not liked what they saw
50:20
Speaker 3: because they fired him and the audit never came. So
50:22
Speaker 3: what they actually released now is something called an attestation,
50:25
Speaker 3: which is basically a piece of paper that says we
50:27
Speaker 3: promise you we've got these reserves, and you know, by
50:31
Speaker 3: now maybe they are actually squeaky clean. I don't know,
50:33
Speaker 3: because at this point the events so much. I think
50:36
Speaker 3: this year alone they ent something like fifteen billion, I
50:39
Speaker 3: want to say, in a single year. So at that
50:42
Speaker 3: point rider they can probably actually become a legitimate enterprise.
50:46
Speaker 3: But they have to now save the US empire by
50:49
Speaker 3: buying lots of US debts. So that's that's the kind
50:52
Speaker 3: of changing shape of tether, and the reason people would
50:55
Speaker 3: use them is because it acts like a dollar, but
50:57
Speaker 3: it's a digital dollar. So people like I said, who
51:00
Speaker 3: are buying and selling bitcoin, they don't want to pull
51:03
Speaker 3: their money out and put it into a bank because
51:05
Speaker 3: of the fees and the time cost, so they just
51:08
Speaker 3: go into tether, which is essentially a free trade, and
51:11
Speaker 3: then they can immediately at any point click the button
51:14
Speaker 3: and get back into bitcoin or any other asset. So
51:16
Speaker 3: it's very useful. And the other one is all of
51:18
Speaker 3: these people in countries like Argentina. Lots of the countries
51:23
Speaker 3: in Latin America have very high inflation rates and bad currencies.
51:26
Speaker 3: So for those people, again, they can't get access to
51:29
Speaker 3: dollars a lot of the time because their country will
51:32
Speaker 3: confiscate dollars sometimes. You know, in Argentina, there's been numerous
51:35
Speaker 3: times where people had dollar denominated bank accounts and the
51:38
Speaker 3: state said, well, we've got debts in dollars, we're just
51:41
Speaker 3: going to steal it from you guys, and have done that.
51:43
Speaker 3: It happened not so long back in I want to say, Lebanon. Yeah,
51:49
Speaker 3: Lebanon did this recently. They stole everyone's dollar bank accounts.
51:52
Speaker 3: So those people want the dollar, but because they can't
51:55
Speaker 3: get the actual US physical dollar or a bank bank
51:58
Speaker 3: accounting dollars, they'll buy ten than now because it's universal.
52:02
Speaker 3: So again it acts as a dollar, but whether it's
52:05
Speaker 3: a legitimate one that at some point who knows, Maybe
52:08
Speaker 3: at some point, like you said, they say, actually we
52:10
Speaker 3: don't have the reserves, and then it's more of an inrun.
52:13
Speaker 3: So Benny made off, it just falls a bat and
52:15
Speaker 3: that would bring down Bitcoin with it too, because if
52:17
Speaker 3: it's high correlation with bitcoin, like I said, I think
52:20
Speaker 3: it's something like sixty percent of all bitcoin transactions involved heather.
52:25
Speaker 3: So if Teather goes, you better believe Bitcoin's going to
52:28
Speaker 3: fall a bit as well.
52:31
Speaker 1: So they would essentially, so if you bought a bunch
52:34
Speaker 1: of tether, there's no guarantee that that that teller tether
52:38
Speaker 1: can't speak that tell tether tether is backed by any
52:43
Speaker 1: kind of real reserve. So wouldn't you be able to
52:49
Speaker 1: like buy something else with it, and then that wouldn't
52:53
Speaker 1: be then that other cryptocurrency or that other exchange would
52:58
Speaker 1: be backed by the name would technically be legitimate, right
53:03
Speaker 1: because if you just say you invested, I don't know
53:06
Speaker 1: whatever the bitcoin running prices right now, which I think
53:09
Speaker 1: is like ninety five thousand in that rough area. So
53:12
Speaker 1: I see you bout ninety five thousand dollars worth of
53:16
Speaker 1: tether and then you put then you transferred that into bitcoin,
53:19
Speaker 1: and then you got that bitcoin, and bitcoin is you know,
53:22
Speaker 1: is bitcoin, So then there wouldn't then you would actually
53:25
Speaker 1: have the money and bitcoin, right.
53:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tether whilst you know, for now it functions
53:32
Speaker 3: just like a dollar. You buy, you know, ninety five
53:34
Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth and there you go, you got ninety
53:37
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars because people will accept it. The only
53:40
Speaker 3: time that would fall apart is if confidence was lost
53:43
Speaker 3: in tether when people thought it wasn't backed, which is
53:46
Speaker 3: what the suggestion was for a lot of years. And yeah,
53:50
Speaker 3: that's the problem with all of these things. It's all
53:51
Speaker 3: trust based. You know, the dollar, the actual dollars trust based.
53:55
Speaker 3: The Japanese yen is trust based of all trust based systems,
53:59
Speaker 3: and you count to party is the US government if
54:04
Speaker 3: you have the dollar, art it's the British government. If
54:06
Speaker 3: you've got the pound. In this instance, it's a private
54:08
Speaker 3: company that trades out of the Cayman Islands. So that's
54:10
Speaker 3: your counterparty who have refused to ard it themselves for
54:14
Speaker 3: a long time. So it's even riskier than the dollar,
54:17
Speaker 3: right because they are it's just a private company, you know.
54:21
Speaker 3: They they can pull the plug on themselves at some
54:24
Speaker 3: point if they want to and leave you high and dry.
54:26
Speaker 3: So counterparties are always critical in anything in life. And
54:30
Speaker 3: in this instance, do you want to trust a company
54:32
Speaker 3: that refuses toward it itself? Isn't regulated and he's based
54:37
Speaker 3: out of the Cayman Islands purposely to avoid as much
54:39
Speaker 3: regulation as possible. I don't know. It doesn't seem like
54:42
Speaker 3: a good place to stay your wealth for a long
54:44
Speaker 3: period of time.
54:45
Speaker 1: Put it that way, sounds like hark tour girl. She
54:48
Speaker 1: made that coin and then pulled the rug on the
54:50
Speaker 1: coin and people lost like millions of dollars. But speaking
54:54
Speaker 1: of the dirt, here are we. The United States.
54:59
Speaker 2: Federal Reserve is thirty six point.
55:03
Speaker 1: Eighteen trillion dollars in debt. Now. Trump says that he's
55:11
Speaker 1: gonna get this debt down by a lot. But I
55:16
Speaker 1: don't understand how that's going to happen. I don't think
55:18
Speaker 1: there were I don't think this system has been made
55:21
Speaker 1: for us to actually pay off this debt at all.
55:25
Speaker 1: I mean thirty six point eighteen trillion dollars in debt.
55:29
Speaker 1: I mean, how much is your country in debt?
55:33
Speaker 3: Mike in Great Britain is I think he's around coming
55:38
Speaker 3: up to three trillion.
55:40
Speaker 2: Holy crap, that's wild.
55:43
Speaker 1: So what do we do about this this debt? Like,
55:46
Speaker 1: what what can be done about it? I mean, it
55:49
Speaker 1: seems like that it's in an it's inevitably going to collapse. Now.
55:55
Speaker 1: People have said several times over and over and over
55:57
Speaker 1: again for many years that the fat is going to
55:59
Speaker 1: be more, that the FED is going to be destroyed,
56:01
Speaker 1: it you know, no longer have to pay income tax,
56:03
Speaker 1: it's all going to come down, the dollar is going
56:05
Speaker 1: to collapse. And then every single year that people say that,
56:08
Speaker 1: it tends.
56:09
Speaker 2: To never happen.
56:11
Speaker 1: Just we just keep trucking along, We keep artificially and
56:16
Speaker 1: inflating it up, and we keep, you know, going down
56:19
Speaker 1: this road of you know, this this currency that is,
56:25
Speaker 1: you know, just just printing more money and more money
56:27
Speaker 1: and accumulating more debt and more debt. So how do
56:31
Speaker 1: you see us getting out of this? Is it going
56:34
Speaker 1: to eventually collapse at some point? And if it does.
56:38
Speaker 1: When do you think that it would happen.
56:41
Speaker 4: Well, let's start with what we do know.
56:44
Speaker 3: We know that historically every currency bond on has collapsed,
56:48
Speaker 3: and that there is no such thing as infinitely expanding
56:52
Speaker 3: debt because right now the US is second biggest expenditure
56:57
Speaker 3: debt interest, so and that's just paying me interest. And
57:01
Speaker 3: at some point your country will collapse. America will collapse
57:05
Speaker 3: because of the amount of debt, because where they're gonna
57:07
Speaker 3: raise that money from, well, it's going to be from
57:09
Speaker 3: you in taxation. It's going to be predatory taxation, it's
57:11
Speaker 3: going to be theft of assets of the citizens. And
57:14
Speaker 3: then at some point they'll just say, well, we can't
57:16
Speaker 3: pay it at all. And you know, you can only
57:19
Speaker 3: go out and loose so many other countries and go
57:22
Speaker 3: to war so many times before you have to stop
57:24
Speaker 3: doing that.
57:24
Speaker 4: Actually you can't afford it.
57:25
Speaker 3: You know, the US spends more on its military than
57:28
Speaker 3: the next top ten countries combined. Social Security and medicare
57:33
Speaker 3: due to run out in twenty thirty, So what about
57:36
Speaker 3: all those people that were promised healthcare? You know, if
57:40
Speaker 3: it runs out of money in twenty thirty, where does
57:41
Speaker 3: the money come from? And then you've got other problems
57:44
Speaker 3: like pensions. Pensions in the US are underfunded by I
57:47
Speaker 3: think it's around one hundred trillion, you know, So what's
57:51
Speaker 3: going to happen when those people retire? So I guess
57:55
Speaker 3: my point is we're living on borrowed time here. It's
57:57
Speaker 3: a lot of promises and they have become They've done
58:02
Speaker 3: a great job of kicking the can down the road.
58:03
Speaker 4: We've got to give it. Got to give that to them.
58:06
Speaker 5: You know.
58:06
Speaker 4: Two and eight people thought that.
58:08
Speaker 3: Was the end. They said, oh, it's the end, and
58:09
Speaker 3: then they came up with quantity of easing. They took
58:13
Speaker 3: interest rates to five thousand go lows, which was kind
58:16
Speaker 3: of unprecedented. And what that did was that allowed people
58:19
Speaker 3: to buy assets essentially for free. They didn't have to
58:22
Speaker 3: pay any interest on the money that was borrowing. So
58:25
Speaker 3: that created these big bubbles in housing, the stock market.
58:28
Speaker 3: But then the problem is when you do that, what
58:31
Speaker 3: happens when you have slow growth? What happens when you
58:33
Speaker 3: have an economic downturn? Well, those asset bubbles collapse, and
58:37
Speaker 3: when that superstructure around it is a debt based system,
58:40
Speaker 3: then it brings everything down. You have a debt collapse.
58:43
Speaker 3: And then you go into a great depression, which is
58:45
Speaker 3: what happened in nineteen twenty nine. We had ten years
58:48
Speaker 3: of artificial growth with low interest rates, easy money, people
58:51
Speaker 3: buying things on debt, and then you had a crash
58:54
Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty nine. The crash, it led to a
58:57
Speaker 3: nineteen percent decline in the stock market just under it
58:59
Speaker 3: was eighteen nine point five, and then it took twenty
59:02
Speaker 3: five years just to break even from where it was
59:05
Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty nine. Twenty five years just to get
59:07
Speaker 3: back to where you was in nineteen twenty nine. So
59:10
Speaker 3: the problem is if that happened now, right, it would
59:12
Speaker 3: bring down everything because we don't live in a fragmented
59:14
Speaker 3: world where what happens in America doesn't affect somebody in
59:18
Speaker 3: New Zealand, or what happens in Japan doesn't affect somebody
59:21
Speaker 3: in Australia. All of its interlinks, we've got a whole system,
59:25
Speaker 3: everyone indebted, everyone using feat money. So you can see
59:32
Speaker 3: they're in a rock and hard play situation. They've kind
59:34
Speaker 3: of got to perpetuate it as long as possible because
59:36
Speaker 3: the ramifications of its stopping would be weld shaking. Now,
59:40
Speaker 3: the reason why I think we've got the world looking
59:42
Speaker 3: so messy right now is the kind of they are
59:45
Speaker 3: at the end of the road. They are in desperation,
59:47
Speaker 3: which is why I think twenty twenty happened. They needed
59:49
Speaker 3: to print a lot of money to bail out the system.
59:52
Speaker 3: So we're kind of living in this area where we're
59:54
Speaker 3: just gonna letch from crisis to crisis to give them
59:57
Speaker 3: the mandate to print more money to prop the system.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: Not for another ten years, it's going to be for
1:00:02
Speaker 3: another two years, another three years. Then you're going to
1:00:05
Speaker 3: need another massive injection of money, and then there's going
1:00:09
Speaker 3: to be another crisis to justify that. But the problem
1:00:11
Speaker 3: is what's that doing to us, the little guy? Well,
1:00:13
Speaker 3: it's destroying us. With inflation, you get twenty percent inflation,
1:00:17
Speaker 3: so longer another days where Okay, it's getting harder to live.
1:00:20
Speaker 3: It's costs a little bit more for my weekly shop.
1:00:23
Speaker 3: The energy bills are going up, you know, by ten
1:00:25
Speaker 3: percent this year. It's like no, it's like fifty percent
1:00:27
Speaker 3: a year now it could costs And the problem is
1:00:30
Speaker 3: your your your boss, your employer, they ain't going to
1:00:33
Speaker 3: give you a pay rise to fifty percent a year.
1:00:36
Speaker 3: So you can see it's tightening the screws on everyone now,
1:00:39
Speaker 3: and that's leading to a very hostile society, a very
1:00:42
Speaker 3: envious society. And it's also turning people into hyper materialists
1:00:46
Speaker 3: where they think, yolo, just have fun staying pot, I'm
1:00:49
Speaker 3: going to get rich OnlyFans and a million a year,
1:00:52
Speaker 3: buy this shit coin and go to a trillion. That's
1:00:55
Speaker 3: the kind of mindset it breeds in people, rather than
1:00:58
Speaker 3: that mindset we was talking about about, you know, getting married,
1:01:02
Speaker 3: raising a family, having a plot of land saving for
1:01:05
Speaker 3: a rainy day. Those kind of values are disappearing, and
1:01:09
Speaker 3: I think it's having a catastrophic effect on the world.
1:01:11
Speaker 3: It's going to lead to more war, it's going to
1:01:13
Speaker 3: lead to resource wars as these big nations like the
1:01:16
Speaker 3: US and China fight for a bigger slice of the
1:01:19
Speaker 3: cake just to keep their own section of the Ponzi
1:01:23
Speaker 3: system going. And the crazy thing is well living through it,
1:01:26
Speaker 3: and it's happening before very eyes, and most people don't.
1:01:29
Speaker 3: They're not reading it from this script. They think that
1:01:31
Speaker 3: these things are happening for all these other reasons. It's like, no,
1:01:34
Speaker 3: it's happening because of the debt based system. In my opinion,
1:01:37
Speaker 3: and I think we've got tough times ahead, which is why, Yeah,
1:01:41
Speaker 3: I'm kind of countercyclical. I think the things we should
1:01:43
Speaker 3: be doing now is just considering those things that I said.
1:01:48
Speaker 3: Medicare fails in twenty thirty twenty thirty two, Okay, maybe
1:01:52
Speaker 3: you're not going to have access to a good, at
1:01:55
Speaker 3: least decent and functional healthcare system in the next fifteen years.
1:01:59
Speaker 3: So you might want to get into shape. You might
1:02:01
Speaker 3: want to start to look into some home homeopathy or
1:02:04
Speaker 3: natural health. You know what about food prices, right, they
1:02:07
Speaker 3: go up thirty percent a year, fifty per year. Maybe
1:02:10
Speaker 3: you want to grow a bit of food, you know,
1:02:11
Speaker 3: maybe you want to think about that because they might
1:02:14
Speaker 3: they might give you food rider, but maybe you don't
1:02:16
Speaker 3: want to eat the food they're going to give you.
1:02:18
Speaker 3: Maybe the quality is going to collapse. You probably did
1:02:20
Speaker 3: you see that video recently of the guy filming from
1:02:23
Speaker 3: inside that food place where they were crushing up crap
1:02:27
Speaker 3: for pigs to eat. Did you see that one with
1:02:28
Speaker 3: all the plastic packaging?
1:02:30
Speaker 1: And no, I didn't see that. But it's for a
1:02:34
Speaker 1: fact that plastic is in like all of our food.
1:02:38
Speaker 1: It's in the meats and the vegetables. I mean, there
1:02:41
Speaker 1: was a lady that I listened to, I think on
1:02:43
Speaker 1: Rogan's podcast where she was saying that, you know, the
1:02:47
Speaker 1: average American, it's a credit card worth of plastic every
1:02:53
Speaker 1: week in the United States. Yeah, this was this.
1:02:57
Speaker 4: I totally believe it.
1:02:58
Speaker 3: This guy worked in a processing plant where there was
1:03:01
Speaker 3: a big crusher, a grindery called it. And what they
1:03:05
Speaker 3: did was they would collect all the waste food from supermarkets,
1:03:09
Speaker 3: so packets of bread, packets of cookies, biscuits, and would
1:03:13
Speaker 3: they went emptying them from the packets. They was throwing
1:03:15
Speaker 3: it all onto a conveyor belt. It would go up
1:03:18
Speaker 3: into the grinder and turn it into a powder, all
1:03:21
Speaker 3: the plastic, all of the crap, moldy food, everything, and
1:03:24
Speaker 3: then the pigs would eat that.
1:03:25
Speaker 4: And it's legal.
1:03:26
Speaker 3: It's legal in the US. So he made a video
1:03:28
Speaker 3: of it and he got fired the next day because
1:03:29
Speaker 3: it went viral, So he lost his job. But my
1:03:33
Speaker 3: point is we are being assaulted on all fronts, not
1:03:36
Speaker 3: just financially, our health, our psychological health, our relationships, everything.
1:03:42
Speaker 3: So it's one of those times in history and we've
1:03:46
Speaker 3: had them before, but I don't think we've ever had
1:03:48
Speaker 3: them on this scale. But we have had them before
1:03:50
Speaker 3: where you just have to be very careful, you have
1:03:53
Speaker 3: to take back control where you can. And I think
1:03:56
Speaker 3: you know, don't You probably don't want to find yourself
1:03:59
Speaker 3: amongst the massive you know, whatever the people are doing
1:04:02
Speaker 3: at and the mean I would say, go the other
1:04:04
Speaker 3: way from that and you'll probably have a better outcome.
1:04:07
Speaker 4: That's my take on it.
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Do you think the stock trading and the financial system
1:04:12
Speaker 1: is going to be affected by the implementation of artificial intelligence?
1:04:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a huge narrative and this is how
1:04:23
Speaker 3: the stock market really works. Is the reason why we
1:04:26
Speaker 3: have these big waves in the stock market is because
1:04:28
Speaker 3: of technology. Like if you go back to the seventeen hundreds,
1:04:31
Speaker 3: we had a massive bubble in canal companies, you know,
1:04:35
Speaker 3: in the in the eighteen hundred, eighteen hundreds, it was
1:04:38
Speaker 3: railway companies and they always have a massive bubble. So
1:04:41
Speaker 3: whenever you get a new technology, it gets the world excited.
1:04:44
Speaker 3: It's like, Wow, this is going to change the world. Rider, Rider,
1:04:46
Speaker 3: everything's going to change, my friend. And if you went
1:04:49
Speaker 3: on board, then you're going to lose. You're going to
1:04:51
Speaker 3: go par have fun staying far. Rider, you didn't buy
1:04:54
Speaker 3: this railway stock, and then it was the automobile stocks,
1:04:57
Speaker 3: and then it was the information technology. Remember the dot
1:05:01
Speaker 3: com bubble, people were there was companies coming onto the market,
1:05:05
Speaker 3: pets dot Com never ent a penny and it was
1:05:08
Speaker 3: valued at tens of billions, and then it went bankrupt
1:05:10
Speaker 3: a few years later, and there was many like that.
1:05:13
Speaker 3: And it's the same with cryptos. You know, rid it's
1:05:16
Speaker 3: going to change the world, all these coins by yourself,
1:05:18
Speaker 3: some peppe on, whatever it is.
1:05:20
Speaker 1: And every new.
1:05:21
Speaker 3: Technology has a big bubble, a big speculative bubble. Now
1:05:24
Speaker 3: that's actually done on purpose, and the reason it's done
1:05:26
Speaker 3: on purpose is to build out that infrastructure around the
1:05:29
Speaker 3: technology so it can be then co opted later on.
1:05:32
Speaker 3: And they don't want to pay for it. The state
1:05:33
Speaker 3: doesn't want to pay for it. They want us to
1:05:35
Speaker 3: pay for it with our hard ending money. They want
1:05:37
Speaker 3: these private companies to come along and do it. So
1:05:40
Speaker 3: for example, with the dot com bubble, they wanted to
1:05:44
Speaker 3: expand broadband everywhere. They wanted all this new cabling, so
1:05:47
Speaker 3: they deregulated the space, allowed anyone to create a telecommunications company,
1:05:52
Speaker 3: really pumped it in the media, created a big manu
1:05:55
Speaker 3: around it, and all of the technology got Bill out,
1:05:59
Speaker 3: and then of course the bubble collapses and everyone goes poor.
1:06:01
Speaker 1: But the couple of companies left at the end of that.
1:06:06
Speaker 3: Exactly they consolidate all the power then in their in
1:06:08
Speaker 3: their key players, and the same thing's going to happen
1:06:11
Speaker 3: with AI. So right now we're in that space where,
1:06:13
Speaker 3: you know, that phase where they're trying to build it up,
1:06:16
Speaker 3: build the narrative, get everyone excited. But I don't see
1:06:19
Speaker 3: AI really changing our lives at all for the next
1:06:22
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen years. I think it's all hype. It
1:06:24
Speaker 3: will certainly have big impacts down the line, but what's
1:06:27
Speaker 3: actually happening now, I think is they're just allowing it
1:06:30
Speaker 3: to be deregulated, and they're making it very easy to
1:06:33
Speaker 3: access so that we can help train it, we can
1:06:35
Speaker 3: help improve it. And you know, the next industrial revolution,
1:06:40
Speaker 3: which they call the fourth Industrial Revolution, is the one
1:06:43
Speaker 3: that comes after the information technology boom, which started, let's
1:06:47
Speaker 3: say in the nineteen seventies, and it reached its nadia
1:06:50
Speaker 3: in the two thousands, and now we're in that gap
1:06:54
Speaker 3: period where you have a massive depression because it takes
1:06:57
Speaker 3: about another fifty years to get up to speed with
1:06:59
Speaker 3: the next technolog you know, we've we've kind of exhausted
1:07:02
Speaker 3: the old technology. The new technology is going to be
1:07:05
Speaker 3: MR and a nanotechnology, AI transhumanism. But if you look
1:07:10
Speaker 3: around Rider, it's a lot of big narratives, but it's
1:07:13
Speaker 3: going to take about twenty thirty years before this stuff
1:07:15
Speaker 3: is really integrating into the world. So what we're actually
1:07:18
Speaker 3: going to see is collapse. We're not going to see
1:07:21
Speaker 3: this city of the future and smart cities what they
1:07:23
Speaker 3: keep pumping in the media. One day, maybe fifty years,
1:07:26
Speaker 3: you'll see a smart city. But what you'll actually see
1:07:28
Speaker 3: in your lifetime and my lifetime is collapse, disintegration. We'll
1:07:32
Speaker 3: see the old systems die away. We'll see them fall
1:07:36
Speaker 3: and crumble apart, and will help them fall apart. You know,
1:07:39
Speaker 3: they'll give us narratives to help bring those systems down.
1:07:42
Speaker 3: And by the timing you have sat here with gray hair,
1:07:44
Speaker 3: I mean, I've already got a few of.
1:07:45
Speaker 4: My beard right getting there.
1:07:47
Speaker 1: I'm getting there, road there with your brother.
1:07:50
Speaker 3: But by the time in ure sating, maybe we'll have
1:07:52
Speaker 3: maybe we'll be sat here in thirty years, we'll still
1:07:54
Speaker 3: be doing our shows. We might start to see the
1:07:56
Speaker 3: first inklings of that future well, that they're promising, but
1:08:00
Speaker 3: I think will have lived through a lot of collapse
1:08:02
Speaker 3: and disintegration before we get to this renewal, and that's
1:08:05
Speaker 3: just a sad fact of life. We're going through a winter,
1:08:07
Speaker 3: you know. The winter is the period where everything starts
1:08:10
Speaker 3: to die off and the spring is a long way away.
1:08:12
Speaker 3: I think twenty fifty is probably where the spring comes in.
1:08:16
Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty, what do you say it was
1:08:19
Speaker 1: a dark winter? You prepare for a dark winter or
1:08:22
Speaker 1: something like that. I think that's what I said.
1:08:25
Speaker 4: I don't know if I said that. Did I say that?
1:08:26
Speaker 1: No? Biden? President Biden?
1:08:29
Speaker 3: I think, oh, well, I wouldn't be surprised. You know,
1:08:33
Speaker 3: he was acting back to dark winter that scenario as well.
1:08:36
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that's what it's going to be.
1:08:40
Speaker 3: And when you look around the world, that's definitely what
1:08:42
Speaker 3: we're seeing. You know, like it takes a long time
1:08:45
Speaker 3: to build a society, it doesn't take long to destroy it,
1:08:48
Speaker 3: but it takes many, many centuries to actually really build
1:08:51
Speaker 3: out a culture and a society and shared values and principles.
1:08:56
Speaker 3: But it can be destroyed really quickly. And I think
1:09:00
Speaker 3: if you look at say the Fall of the Soviet Empire.
1:09:04
Speaker 3: That's probably more what America will be like a more
1:09:06
Speaker 3: powerful vegiant. It's not going to be the same, but
1:09:08
Speaker 3: I think the standard of living for Americans will go down.
1:09:12
Speaker 3: And you know, Trump might come in and he might
1:09:14
Speaker 3: do a few positive things on you know, for the
1:09:17
Speaker 3: next few years, but I think the long term trajectory,
1:09:19
Speaker 3: it is kind of impossible to change now because some
1:09:23
Speaker 3: of the problems that we're facing in the West are
1:09:26
Speaker 3: systemic and they've been around now, They've been festering like
1:09:29
Speaker 3: a wound for let's say fifty sixty years. I mean education,
1:09:32
Speaker 3: for example. You ain't fixing that in one generation. It
1:09:35
Speaker 3: would take a lot because all those people who have
1:09:38
Speaker 3: been educated in this toxic system are now working in industry.
1:09:41
Speaker 3: They're now the CEOs, they're now the managers, the middle managers,
1:09:44
Speaker 3: the gatekeepers to the world. So tough times ahead, right,
1:09:50
Speaker 3: Like I said, sit back and get the pop gone out.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what your rebustment Off was talking about.
1:09:57
Speaker 1: I put that clip in the that has sent you
1:10:01
Speaker 1: to watch my film A Clockwork Shining where he's talking
1:10:03
Speaker 1: about you know, if we just infiltrate the education systems
1:10:07
Speaker 1: and then in you know, twenty thirty years, those people
1:10:10
Speaker 1: that we indoctrinated with these beliefs and these ideas are
1:10:13
Speaker 1: going to be the one the people that are going
1:10:14
Speaker 1: to be running things. And yeah, that's a really tough
1:10:18
Speaker 1: one to tackle. And I think that a big one
1:10:21
Speaker 1: is like homeschooling, Like you can literally get your child
1:10:26
Speaker 1: through as long as it takes them to go through
1:10:29
Speaker 1: middle school, grade school, middle school, in high school. You
1:10:33
Speaker 1: can cram that all into four years. They could be
1:10:36
Speaker 1: kids could literally be graduating and get all the education
1:10:40
Speaker 1: that they need by the time that they're like twelve
1:10:42
Speaker 1: thirteen years old. Oh yeah, like why are we not
1:10:46
Speaker 1: doing that? I think everyone should be doing that.
1:10:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just think of all of the things that
1:10:52
Speaker 3: they would miss out on that will rot their brain,
1:10:56
Speaker 3: rot their health, give them mental health issues, all of
1:10:59
Speaker 3: the toxic mess that exists in a skull, the indoctrination,
1:11:04
Speaker 3: the exposure over exposure to technology, you know, being around
1:11:10
Speaker 3: other children that are also exposed to that, So creating
1:11:12
Speaker 3: you know, this this culture that's going to be lesser
1:11:15
Speaker 3: and lesser with each passing generation. It's it's sad, but
1:11:19
Speaker 3: I think, like I said earlier, if you want to
1:11:22
Speaker 3: do well and if you want your child to do well,
1:11:25
Speaker 3: you have to move away from the mean. The means
1:11:27
Speaker 3: getting worse and worse. Now, the great news about that
1:11:30
Speaker 3: is for you to look like a superhero, you're not
1:11:32
Speaker 3: gonna have to do a lot, you know, just keep
1:11:34
Speaker 3: yourself in good shape, and you're going to be like
1:11:36
Speaker 3: a superman compared to Fats lob Joe, who you know
1:11:39
Speaker 3: can't bend down to tie his own shoelaces at twenty
1:11:42
Speaker 3: and that's that's kind of the average. Now it's gonna
1:11:44
Speaker 3: look worse and worse. And I don't say that with glee,
1:11:48
Speaker 3: but I do think, you know, yeah, to stand out
1:11:51
Speaker 3: in this world today, it's not gonna be that difficult
1:11:54
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of people who are succumbing to this.
1:11:59
Speaker 3: It's not just laziness of body, it's laziness of thought
1:12:02
Speaker 3: as well, you know, lack of critical thinking. No longer
1:12:06
Speaker 3: designed to desiring to have self responsibility. You know, they're
1:12:10
Speaker 3: shaking their responsibility as a human. They want someone to
1:12:12
Speaker 3: come and fix it. They're looking for a hero. You know,
1:12:14
Speaker 3: we're seeing that now with Donald Trump. Okay, you might
1:12:17
Speaker 3: like Trump, but he's not a hero and he's not
1:12:19
Speaker 3: coming to fix things for you. Neither is Elon Musk.
1:12:22
Speaker 3: You know, they've got ties to a system, and they're
1:12:24
Speaker 3: not going to betray that system entirely because they live
1:12:28
Speaker 3: in the system, you know. So you've got to take
1:12:30
Speaker 3: personal responsibility and all of this too. Even if somebody
1:12:33
Speaker 3: comes along that promise you you some stuff that you
1:12:36
Speaker 3: agree with and you like and you think they sound good,
1:12:39
Speaker 3: at some point they'll get voted out and somebody else
1:12:40
Speaker 3: will come along. You know, your life's not going to
1:12:43
Speaker 3: change because of a politician. It will change because you
1:12:45
Speaker 3: actually take control of it. You decide whatever happens over there.
1:12:49
Speaker 3: I'm going to take care of business here. I'm going
1:12:50
Speaker 3: to make my life better, my family's life better. I'm
1:12:52
Speaker 3: going to build a community, and I'm also going to
1:12:55
Speaker 3: have self disciplined to not go down the path of
1:12:59
Speaker 3: toxic food. Food and you know, constantly living in sy
1:13:03
Speaker 3: ups and social media and all that stuff. It's hard,
1:13:06
Speaker 3: right because it's there to tempt us, right, It's there
1:13:08
Speaker 3: to keep his confused, dayed and dumb. So you have
1:13:12
Speaker 3: to really want to not be a part of that
1:13:14
Speaker 3: to take control of your life.
1:13:18
Speaker 1: You said that beautifully, and I think social media has
1:13:21
Speaker 1: gotten to this point and to this degree that people
1:13:26
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, they're they're constantly trying to one up themselves,
1:13:31
Speaker 1: and they're they're looking for likes, and they're wanting people to,
1:13:35
Speaker 1: you know, say that they're the best and that they're
1:13:39
Speaker 1: great and all that, which does feel good. I mean,
1:13:42
Speaker 1: I definitely enjoy that as well. But it's like we've
1:13:46
Speaker 1: built our entire society around social media, and real life
1:13:51
Speaker 1: has started to become social media. Like the way that
1:13:54
Speaker 1: people interact with each other has become like how people
1:13:58
Speaker 1: interact with each other on social media. It's so strange.
1:14:05
Speaker 1: It's the strangest thing. Like they can, you know, not
1:14:08
Speaker 1: have any manners. They can just like how you can
1:14:11
Speaker 1: ignore people on social media. You can just not read
1:14:14
Speaker 1: their comments, you cannot read what they're saying. You can
1:14:16
Speaker 1: just post and get off, which is a really great
1:14:20
Speaker 1: thing to do. But in real life, people are more rude.
1:14:26
Speaker 1: They're not considerate of you, they're not considerate of your space.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: They don't really even like look at you. They're always
1:14:35
Speaker 1: kind of looking down.
1:14:37
Speaker 2: You know, they're there, or they're on their phone, or
1:14:39
Speaker 2: they're they're not.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: Even having a conversation. They don't they don't say hi,
1:14:43
Speaker 1: they don't say hello. This social media has expanded to
1:14:49
Speaker 1: the outer world of reality. That is what I'm saying.
1:14:52
Speaker 3: You see at the supermarket, people actually young people especially,
1:14:56
Speaker 3: they don't want to go to a check out with
1:14:57
Speaker 3: a human being that ra that's been longer and use
1:15:00
Speaker 3: the robot machines so they don't have to have that
1:15:03
Speaker 3: small little interaction with another person. They don't have to
1:15:05
Speaker 3: look at somebody in the eye, and vice versa. You know,
1:15:08
Speaker 3: sometimes you go to a checkout and the woman's on
1:15:10
Speaker 3: a on a headset, she doesn't even look at you.
1:15:12
Speaker 3: We are losing those day to day interactions and human
1:15:16
Speaker 3: connections that make life with living, you know what I mean, Like,
1:15:20
Speaker 3: I don't want to live in a world where people
1:15:22
Speaker 3: don't interact. And you know we might we might say, oh,
1:15:27
Speaker 3: you know, small talk, what's it?
1:15:29
Speaker 4: What uses?
1:15:29
Speaker 3: It's pointless? Now it does have it does have a
1:15:31
Speaker 3: I have a use.
1:15:32
Speaker 1: I think it.
1:15:33
Speaker 3: What it's about is about creating a feeling of comfort,
1:15:36
Speaker 3: a feeling of community, a feeling of connection with one another.
1:15:42
Speaker 3: And I think if you take that away, you've got
1:15:43
Speaker 3: a soulus world. And I think that's the world. They
1:15:46
Speaker 3: probably want is a soul as well. The transhuman is
1:15:49
Speaker 3: something without a soul, isn't it. You know that's what
1:15:51
Speaker 3: they're trying to take from us, is this compassion, empathy,
1:15:54
Speaker 3: And you know those words can be overused in today's
1:15:57
Speaker 3: society with this the wokism. I'm not talking about that.
1:16:00
Speaker 3: I'm talking about just wanting to see each other succeed.
1:16:03
Speaker 3: You know, if I pass you on the street, like
1:16:05
Speaker 3: I'd rather you smile at me and say good morning
1:16:07
Speaker 3: than to frown at me all look down, I'm sure
1:16:09
Speaker 3: you'd feel the same, right, So what kind of what
1:16:12
Speaker 3: kind of sleepwalking into a weld that none of us
1:16:15
Speaker 3: wont No one, nobody wants that weld, And yet that's
1:16:17
Speaker 3: the weld that way are going into. And it's kind
1:16:20
Speaker 3: of like we need to put the brakes on somehow.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's all about competition, right, It's about you know,
1:16:26
Speaker 1: who's doing better instead of building each other up and
1:16:29
Speaker 1: like patting each other on the back and working together
1:16:32
Speaker 1: to create something incredible and lift each other up. It's
1:16:38
Speaker 1: not that way with social media, and it's becoming not
1:16:42
Speaker 1: that way in real reality. But between social interactions, you know,
1:16:49
Speaker 1: like everyone seems like that they're out for themselves and
1:16:55
Speaker 1: they only want to do things that benefit them, and
1:16:59
Speaker 1: that's a really dangerous area to be in as a society.
1:17:05
Speaker 1: Like we have to sit back and and help each
1:17:09
Speaker 1: other grow, you know. Like you've had me on your
1:17:13
Speaker 1: show several times. I'm sure some of your listeners are
1:17:15
Speaker 1: over here, and now I'm having you on over here,
1:17:17
Speaker 1: so hopefully, hopefully some of my listeners go over to
1:17:20
Speaker 1: your channel and see what you got going on over there.
1:17:22
Speaker 1: You know, that's the way that is supposed to work.
1:17:25
Speaker 1: And I'm going to support you because I like what
1:17:27
Speaker 1: you do. I think that you're a good person, you know.
1:17:30
Speaker 1: But so many people don't look at it that way.
1:17:34
Speaker 1: They want to be like, oh, well, I don't want
1:17:37
Speaker 1: to have them on because I'm afraid that they're going
1:17:39
Speaker 1: to outshine me or that they're going to be better
1:17:41
Speaker 1: than me. It's like this this constant competition between and
1:17:44
Speaker 1: it's not just in this space, it's everywhere. It's with everything,
1:17:47
Speaker 1: and it's the opposite way of doing anything. Yeah it is.
1:17:53
Speaker 3: And you know, a healthy society would take drive and
1:18:01
Speaker 3: motivation and ambition and it shapes it and molds it
1:18:03
Speaker 3: into something that's actually productive. And useful, Like there's nothing
1:18:06
Speaker 3: wrong with competition per se, but it's how you use it.
1:18:10
Speaker 3: Do you use it to try and advance yourself? Do
1:18:12
Speaker 3: what you know when I look at somebody like you know,
1:18:15
Speaker 3: in podcasting, Like I'd look at a show like yours
1:18:17
Speaker 3: and say, wow, but if that show is awesome, like
1:18:20
Speaker 3: the quality is so good, you know, he's a really
1:18:22
Speaker 3: good presenter. Like how can I how can I adapt myself?
1:18:25
Speaker 3: How can I raise myself? Raised by giants? There you go, giants,
1:18:30
Speaker 3: that's the one to get myself to a better level,
1:18:33
Speaker 3: Like how can I use that?
1:18:34
Speaker 1: You know?
1:18:35
Speaker 3: How about I get right on the show. I'll talk
1:18:37
Speaker 3: to him. I'll get to know that guy. Maybe he
1:18:39
Speaker 3: can you know, just talking to that guy might help me.
1:18:41
Speaker 1: You know.
1:18:41
Speaker 3: That's how you should see life, right, We should try
1:18:43
Speaker 3: and elevate one another and be kind, be friendly, give
1:18:47
Speaker 3: people a leg up. Of course, personal responsibility always. But
1:18:52
Speaker 3: I've always been like that. I don't know, I'm not
1:18:54
Speaker 3: I'm Although I was an athlete, I was most competitive
1:18:59
Speaker 3: with myself, like other people were always just a catalyst
1:19:01
Speaker 3: for me to try and improve. Like if I see
1:19:04
Speaker 3: somebody who's better, yeah, I want to get better.
1:19:05
Speaker 1: Than them.
1:19:06
Speaker 3: But I'm not against that person. I'm against me, Like
1:19:09
Speaker 3: how do I elevate myself? And I don't know how
1:19:12
Speaker 3: we fix these things right. I wish I could, I
1:19:14
Speaker 3: wish I could tell you, but I think we've just
1:19:16
Speaker 3: got a very sick culture, unfortunately. And American culture was
1:19:22
Speaker 3: always I mean, the original cowboy culture of America was
1:19:25
Speaker 3: about pioneers, and it was about being a pioneer. It
1:19:28
Speaker 3: was building that homestead, it was providing for your family,
1:19:31
Speaker 3: it was doing things for oneself. But that ain't the
1:19:33
Speaker 3: America we've got today. It's not the Western society we've
1:19:36
Speaker 3: got today. What we've actually got is a lot of
1:19:38
Speaker 3: people who do want to live an easy life, and
1:19:41
Speaker 3: they want it handed to them on a play. They
1:19:42
Speaker 3: want to get rich quick, they want to have a
1:19:45
Speaker 3: great you know, it's not about having a great family anymore.
1:19:48
Speaker 3: Even it's about you know, having the somebody who looks
1:19:51
Speaker 3: the best but maybe has nothing up there, doesn't read
1:19:55
Speaker 3: never read a book in the life.
1:19:56
Speaker 1: You know.
1:19:56
Speaker 3: And then and then they wonder why why the relationship
1:19:59
Speaker 3: fails after four or five years. It's stick cult to
1:20:03
Speaker 3: my friend, and we're trying o best, but we're trying
1:20:05
Speaker 3: to give people some quality and hopefully we've changed a
1:20:08
Speaker 3: few people's minds and some of these issues. Oh, I
1:20:16
Speaker 3: think you might be muted writer.
1:20:20
Speaker 1: Sometimes that happens, probably every show that happens. But it
1:20:25
Speaker 1: seems like that instead of seeing someone that's better than
1:20:30
Speaker 1: you and learning to be better yourself and using them
1:20:36
Speaker 1: as like an uplifting type of thing and make yourself
1:20:40
Speaker 1: better and make your show better or make it whatever
1:20:42
Speaker 1: it is, because there's always going to be somebody better
1:20:44
Speaker 1: than you, you should look at them as something that
1:20:48
Speaker 1: you want to be. But instead we've we've turned that
1:20:52
Speaker 1: upside down. We've turned that into well, I should just
1:20:58
Speaker 1: attack them. I should just criticize them everything that they say.
1:21:03
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it is, doesn't.
1:21:05
Speaker 2: Matter if I agree with it or if I don't
1:21:06
Speaker 2: agree with it.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: I'm still going to, like, you know, disagree no matter what,
1:21:13
Speaker 1: because I don't like them. What they're saying doesn't align
1:21:16
Speaker 1: with what I'm saying or what I believe or what
1:21:19
Speaker 1: I want them to say. That's like the worst type
1:21:22
Speaker 1: of One of the worst types of people is the
1:21:27
Speaker 1: type of people that don't like you just because you
1:21:31
Speaker 1: don't say what they want you to say. And that's
1:21:36
Speaker 1: not just online like that, that's just like in general,
1:21:39
Speaker 1: like even in real life, Like I think that that's
1:21:42
Speaker 1: such a travesty to human connection.
1:21:49
Speaker 5: It is.
1:21:50
Speaker 3: And you know, we live in a world while they
1:21:52
Speaker 3: push down throughout every second these ideologies about divosity, but
1:21:57
Speaker 3: it's not about diversity, because they don't want to die
1:22:00
Speaker 3: diversity of opinion, right, they want conformitive opinion. You know,
1:22:03
Speaker 3: you can be anything you want rider, you can call
1:22:06
Speaker 3: yourself a cat, you can call yourself a spaceman, whatever
1:22:09
Speaker 3: you choose. But don't have a different opinion, you know,
1:22:12
Speaker 3: don't and don't don't be confident either. You know, you
1:22:15
Speaker 3: can be fake confident, you can be alpha, but don't
1:22:18
Speaker 3: be confident in what you say. You know, don't have
1:22:21
Speaker 3: the foresight and the ability to back up what you say.
1:22:23
Speaker 3: You know, they don't like that, and communication skills are
1:22:27
Speaker 3: being destroyed.
1:22:28
Speaker 1: You know.
1:22:29
Speaker 3: I've got friends who go to university, professors, all kinds
1:22:33
Speaker 3: of people that I've met, and I'm seeing a lot
1:22:36
Speaker 3: of people they really just don't have the capacity to
1:22:40
Speaker 3: accept an alternative view. And it's like, well, where does
1:22:42
Speaker 3: that come from? You know, is it education that's doing it?
1:22:45
Speaker 1: Is it the media.
1:22:47
Speaker 3: What they actually want is for result to be out
1:22:49
Speaker 3: of each of the throats, and being is very being
1:22:53
Speaker 3: very successful at that. But I often find, you know,
1:22:56
Speaker 3: I get along with people on the left. I get
1:22:58
Speaker 3: people I got along with people on the right, so
1:23:01
Speaker 3: long as we're not touching all of the topics that
1:23:03
Speaker 3: are hot topics, Like if we talk, Like if I
1:23:05
Speaker 3: go to the mountains and there's somebody sat there in
1:23:08
Speaker 3: the big mountain hut and we're talking, where did you go?
1:23:10
Speaker 3: What did you do today? We have a great conversation.
1:23:13
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what they believe about politics, it doesn't
1:23:16
Speaker 3: matter who they sleep with. I don't care. They don't
1:23:18
Speaker 3: care about me. We're not talking about that. But the
1:23:20
Speaker 3: problem is they've created a society where they're forcing us
1:23:23
Speaker 3: all to talk about these controversial issues. There used to
1:23:26
Speaker 3: be a rule, don't talk about religion, don't talk about politics.
1:23:29
Speaker 3: That was the rule in common society to keep things
1:23:33
Speaker 3: coherent because people lived in communities and right, if you
1:23:36
Speaker 3: live a few dollars down from me, I can't afford
1:23:38
Speaker 3: to be arguing with you. You know why, because we've
1:23:40
Speaker 3: got shit to do, and you might need some ladders.
1:23:42
Speaker 3: I might need some help one night that the hospital
1:23:45
Speaker 3: is not close. What if there's an emergency. I can't
1:23:47
Speaker 3: afford to have you as mein and me. It's too
1:23:49
Speaker 3: much stress I need. I'd rather have you as an ally.
1:23:52
Speaker 3: So I'm going to not touch those hot topics, and
1:23:54
Speaker 3: you're not going to. But because they've created this society
1:23:57
Speaker 3: where we all live online and we communicate anonymous, and
1:24:00
Speaker 3: you find this is a content creator, I'm sure you
1:24:03
Speaker 3: get some nasty people in those comments sections. Sometimes I
1:24:06
Speaker 3: get some I get emails, even like random emails, some
1:24:10
Speaker 3: strangers trying to attack my belief structure because they had
1:24:14
Speaker 3: me mentioned I'm a Christian or something, and I'm like,
1:24:17
Speaker 3: why would anyone even care about that? You know, why
1:24:19
Speaker 3: would you cold call a stranger and be like Christ
1:24:22
Speaker 3: isn't real?
1:24:23
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
1:24:24
Speaker 3: That's kind of like the equivalent of what sometimes I get,
1:24:27
Speaker 3: And like it doesn't offend me as such because I've
1:24:29
Speaker 3: got thick skin.
1:24:30
Speaker 4: So I just blocked the person because what.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: Does it matter to me? You know that person's not
1:24:35
Speaker 3: going to add any value, so I get rid of them.
1:24:37
Speaker 3: But the point is, we are in a world where
1:24:38
Speaker 3: people have very low ethics and principles and.
1:24:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:24:45
Speaker 3: Again, it goes back to what we said earlier. It's
1:24:47
Speaker 3: about these things are going to be very hard to
1:24:49
Speaker 3: fix it. The means it's going to take a long
1:24:51
Speaker 3: time for society to I mean they will bounce back
1:24:54
Speaker 3: at some point rider because we're on a pendulum and
1:24:56
Speaker 3: we're getting to one extreme and it always goes back
1:24:59
Speaker 3: in other direction with equal force to the extreme that
1:25:03
Speaker 3: it hits. So if it goes to it's like a
1:25:04
Speaker 3: rubber band. The more you stretch it, the more it's
1:25:07
Speaker 3: going to twang back the other way. That will happen.
1:25:09
Speaker 3: But for now, I think for people like us, we
1:25:11
Speaker 3: just have to build smaller, more intimate community as well.
1:25:14
Speaker 3: We have people that manage to avoid going down that
1:25:17
Speaker 3: path and and support one another like we are doing now.
1:25:20
Speaker 3: You know, we're go on each of the shows. Keep
1:25:22
Speaker 3: keep a keep a strong community, and don't lament the
1:25:25
Speaker 3: times that we're in because we're still very lucky, I think,
1:25:27
Speaker 3: to live in these times. We still have a lot
1:25:29
Speaker 3: of privileges that our great grandparents didn't have, so I'm
1:25:32
Speaker 3: not complaining about that, but but I think we do
1:25:35
Speaker 3: have to protect our peace of mind as well, and
1:25:38
Speaker 3: the best way to do that is just not not
1:25:40
Speaker 3: get involved in the stuff that's toxic.
1:25:42
Speaker 4: Just stay away.
1:25:42
Speaker 3: You do you you know, you keep doing what you're
1:25:45
Speaker 3: good at, and don't don't succumb, I think is the key,
1:25:49
Speaker 3: because they can try and chip away as we go along.
1:25:53
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I don't think that it helps that the average
1:25:56
Speaker 1: IQ average IQ in the US. I think it's very
1:26:09
Speaker 1: low average IQ by state and country. This is breaking
1:26:20
Speaker 1: down all of the states. I don't want this, but
1:26:25
Speaker 1: I think that it's really low. It's a it's a
1:26:27
Speaker 1: very low average i Q in the United States. And
1:26:31
Speaker 1: that really doesn't help either, because that's where you're common
1:26:34
Speaker 1: sense and your critical thinking you know, comes from, and
1:26:39
Speaker 1: that's where that that kicks in. But you're completely right
1:26:42
Speaker 1: and in saying that people don't want the they want
1:26:48
Speaker 1: the outrage. They want the outrage because the outrage promotes interaction,
1:26:55
Speaker 1: especially on social media. So you wouldn't go to a
1:26:59
Speaker 1: you know, a Buddhist monk until the Buddhist monk in
1:27:03
Speaker 1: person in the face that Buddha isn't real, just like
1:27:07
Speaker 1: I wouldn't randomly come up to you and say that
1:27:09
Speaker 1: Jesus never existed. Though it's debatable, right, but I'm not
1:27:14
Speaker 1: ever going to come up to you and be like, oh, hey,
1:27:16
Speaker 1: guess what, everything you believe is wrong. But they do
1:27:21
Speaker 1: that on social media because it's it's outrage and that's
1:27:25
Speaker 1: what drives the comments, that's what drives the clicks, and
1:27:30
Speaker 1: that's what drives the interaction. And again, that type of
1:27:35
Speaker 1: thing is bleeding over into real life interactions and that's
1:27:40
Speaker 1: where you get those those types of interactions. Like it
1:27:44
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me because I had an instance that happened
1:27:48
Speaker 1: the other day when I was in the sauna. I
1:27:49
Speaker 1: think I talked to Oh, it wasn't the other day.
1:27:51
Speaker 1: It was I don't know, a month or so ago.
1:27:53
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned it before, but I was in
1:27:55
Speaker 1: the sauna and this guy just like kept going on
1:27:58
Speaker 1: about Jesus, like and I'm the only person in there,
1:28:02
Speaker 1: and obviously he's, you know, profiling me because I have
1:28:06
Speaker 1: a lot of tattoos.
1:28:07
Speaker 2: And stuff and I'm in there with my shirt off,
1:28:10
Speaker 2: and he was like, do.
1:28:10
Speaker 1: You believe in Jesus? Jesus is the Savior and like
1:28:13
Speaker 1: all and like randomly, just randomly, out of the blue,
1:28:17
Speaker 1: like start singing all this stuff. And I was like, dude,
1:28:20
Speaker 1: I got Jesus tattooed right here on my arm, and
1:28:24
Speaker 1: he kept going on and on and on about it,
1:28:26
Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, religion is fine. You can have religion.
1:28:30
Speaker 1: You can believe whatever it is is you want to believe.
1:28:33
Speaker 1: I got no problems with you. But it's sort of
1:28:35
Speaker 1: like having a penis, right, Religion is like having a penis.
1:28:40
Speaker 1: It's perfectly okay to have a penis. Good for you
1:28:43
Speaker 1: for having a penis, But if you whip it out
1:28:48
Speaker 1: and start waving and around in front.
1:28:51
Speaker 2: Of everyone, then we're going to have a.
1:28:53
Speaker 1: Problem, you know. And it got to that that type
1:28:59
Speaker 1: of interact action because I'm very you know, very knowledgeable
1:29:04
Speaker 1: about Christianity. I don't believe that it's the way that
1:29:08
Speaker 1: it's portrayed. I believe that it's something completely different and
1:29:11
Speaker 1: it's coded and it's more than likely astrological, and uh,
1:29:17
Speaker 1: you know, I just went at him and he just like,
1:29:21
Speaker 1: wouldn't you wouldn't give up? And I'm like, dude, like,
1:29:23
Speaker 1: why would you one? Why would you think that that's
1:29:26
Speaker 1: okay to do? Like You're gonna come at me because
1:29:31
Speaker 1: you think that I'm not living up to your standards?
1:29:34
Speaker 1: Is that not judgment? Is that not what Jesus and
1:29:38
Speaker 1: God said not to do, not to judge other people.
1:29:41
Speaker 1: It's very hypocritical. But those interactions are bleeding over into
1:29:46
Speaker 1: real life. Yeah, And it's about everything, that's it. It's
1:29:51
Speaker 1: about every single facet of life they've created. Almost like
1:29:56
Speaker 1: it's like if you imagine our life as a piece
1:29:59
Speaker 1: of glass, I've just shattered it and every single fragment
1:30:02
Speaker 1: is something to be argued over. And there's a lot
1:30:03
Speaker 1: of fragments out there, you know, like this.
1:30:08
Speaker 3: Everything is a hot topic these days. And you know,
1:30:12
Speaker 3: the way that I deal with that writer is I
1:30:14
Speaker 3: don't know who said it. It certainly isn't my expression.
1:30:17
Speaker 3: It was somebody who said, you know, sometimes you have
1:30:19
Speaker 3: to retreat to the citadel of the mind, which is
1:30:23
Speaker 3: just go inwards.
1:30:24
Speaker 5: You know.
1:30:24
Speaker 3: Up here I can have free speech. Up Here, I
1:30:27
Speaker 3: can think and say and do what I want, and
1:30:30
Speaker 3: I can be my own company. I can read a book.
1:30:32
Speaker 3: I can talk to my wife. You know, she's not
1:30:35
Speaker 3: gonna worry about what I say. I can have an
1:30:37
Speaker 3: open conversation. But I certainly don't feel the need to
1:30:41
Speaker 3: express myself. I mean, I'm a podcaster, right, so I'm
1:30:44
Speaker 3: expressing myself to the world essentially, But my audience is
1:30:47
Speaker 3: my audience. They'll listen to me whoever wants to listen.
1:30:49
Speaker 3: If you don't, then you turn off. What I don't
1:30:51
Speaker 3: need is somebody who is going to download every video
1:30:54
Speaker 3: and criticize it, like you're not adding value. If you
1:30:57
Speaker 3: don't like it, don't watch it. There's millions of other
1:30:59
Speaker 3: pods cast there's millions of other people out there to listen.
1:31:02
Speaker 3: To listen to yourself, record yourself and listen back every night.
1:31:05
Speaker 3: You might really enjoy that if that's the kind of
1:31:07
Speaker 3: person you are, If you're analysisist, you.
1:31:08
Speaker 4: Might love that.
1:31:10
Speaker 3: But for me, yeah, I'm really good at tuning out
1:31:13
Speaker 3: from that stuff because you know, with life's really too short.
1:31:17
Speaker 3: My friend, you know, to care like that guy in
1:31:20
Speaker 3: the sauna right like, why does he think you care?
1:31:24
Speaker 3: I mean, why does he think anyone cares? Like there's
1:31:26
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with a conversation.
1:31:28
Speaker 1: That was my point. That's what I was arguing with
1:31:30
Speaker 1: him about.
1:31:32
Speaker 3: If you're going to give you better take to write
1:31:34
Speaker 3: you know, it's Almo. I don't mind debating anything with somebody,
1:31:38
Speaker 3: and I can do it with zero ill will or
1:31:41
Speaker 3: bad feelings, but some but a lot of people can't.
1:31:44
Speaker 3: So I've learned also, if somebody is very strongly opinion it,
1:31:47
Speaker 3: don't just think because they come out you like that,
1:31:49
Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to enjoy or participate
1:31:53
Speaker 3: in a debate with you coming back at them the
1:31:55
Speaker 3: other way. So, you know, a lot of the times
1:31:58
Speaker 3: in life today, I just I just say, I'm going
1:32:00
Speaker 3: to let this one pass me by. If you if
1:32:02
Speaker 3: you want to talk about that, you talk about that,
1:32:05
Speaker 3: I'll sit here and nod my head and I'll retreat
1:32:07
Speaker 3: to the citadel of the mind, and up there I'll
1:32:09
Speaker 3: be doing whatever I want to do because I just
1:32:12
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's helping. It's either to get
1:32:14
Speaker 3: into these massive debates and arguments and conversations. You know,
1:32:20
Speaker 3: sometimes sometimes it's good to challenge someone.
1:32:22
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that.
1:32:23
Speaker 3: We do have to challenge one another, and sometimes it's
1:32:26
Speaker 3: good to keep make someone think and reflect. But I
1:32:29
Speaker 3: think we have to think about how we do it too.
1:32:30
Speaker 3: You know, getting into into a shouting match with someone's
1:32:33
Speaker 3: not helping anyone, least of all them. But if you
1:32:36
Speaker 3: can drop something that makes someone think and give them pause,
1:32:38
Speaker 3: if we can be a little bit more creative in
1:32:40
Speaker 3: how we do it. That's probably the best we can
1:32:43
Speaker 3: do for those people, and it still leaves open the door,
1:32:46
Speaker 3: I guess, for future interaction with someone because you might
1:32:49
Speaker 3: see him again in the sauna. You don't want to
1:32:50
Speaker 3: have a bad you know what I mean. You don't
1:32:52
Speaker 3: want to be in the sauna with the guy you
1:32:54
Speaker 3: had the argument with.
1:32:54
Speaker 4: So I totally get that.
1:32:55
Speaker 3: I go to the sauna a lot too. And you know,
1:32:58
Speaker 3: when I was in the UK, I used to go
1:32:59
Speaker 3: to the sauna and all of the people in that
1:33:01
Speaker 3: sauna where old x Mine is in like the seventies
1:33:04
Speaker 3: and eighties, So you know, when I was in that sauna,
1:33:07
Speaker 3: I was chatting about what x Mine is chat about.
1:33:09
Speaker 3: Whatever they're talking about, That's what I'm talking about because
1:33:13
Speaker 3: that was the culture that So that's what I did.
1:33:15
Speaker 3: I wasn't there telling them about what I do because
1:33:17
Speaker 3: it went interested. So I'm a I'm adaptable rider. I'll
1:33:21
Speaker 3: take take life as it comes.
1:33:23
Speaker 1: That's the thing too, is like when I'm in the
1:33:25
Speaker 1: sauna like I like to because I don't take my
1:33:28
Speaker 1: phone in there. Several people take their phone in the sauna.
1:33:30
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? Really going to ruin
1:33:32
Speaker 1: your phone. Yeah. Here here in the United States. Every year,
1:33:35
Speaker 1: all the gems in the saunas that I've been to
1:33:37
Speaker 1: have been in a few of them and.
1:33:40
Speaker 3: So finish, like you know, like the like with the
1:33:43
Speaker 3: with the heat or is it like an infrared.
1:33:45
Speaker 1: They'll take them in the steam room, They'll take them
1:33:47
Speaker 1: in the sauna. Wow, They'll take them anywhere because they're
1:33:50
Speaker 1: addicted to their phone. And I always leave mine in
1:33:52
Speaker 1: the locker because I want to go in there and
1:33:54
Speaker 1: actually enjoy myself and have like it halfway decent conversation.
1:33:58
Speaker 1: But having a conversation with these people is like pulling
1:34:03
Speaker 1: teeth bro Like they do not want to talk. And
1:34:08
Speaker 1: several of them go in there with headphones on, like
1:34:11
Speaker 1: just immediately have completely shut out everybody that could be
1:34:16
Speaker 1: in there and have a really interesting conversation with And
1:34:20
Speaker 1: I mean I've had I've had a few of them
1:34:22
Speaker 1: in the past couple of months, but nine times out
1:34:25
Speaker 1: of ten, like there's like five or six people in there,
1:34:29
Speaker 1: they're all on their phones or they have headphones on.
1:34:34
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is boring, Like I don't want to
1:34:35
Speaker 1: be in here just setting and sweating and not talking,
1:34:38
Speaker 1: like actually talking helps you get through the sauna. You
1:34:41
Speaker 1: stay in there longer if you're having a really good
1:34:43
Speaker 1: conversation because you're not thinking about the heat.
1:34:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's that, you know that.
1:34:49
Speaker 3: For me, the one of the key reasons I go
1:34:51
Speaker 3: to the sauna not just because it's fantastically healthy and
1:34:54
Speaker 3: it's really good for your health, but one of the
1:34:57
Speaker 3: key reasons I go to that is actually to d tune.
1:35:00
Speaker 3: You know, like I'm somebody who's mind goes in a
1:35:03
Speaker 3: thousand miles an hour. I'm not sat ever, sat doing nothing.
1:35:07
Speaker 3: I'm on the computer, I'm thinking, I'm working. So I
1:35:09
Speaker 3: go to the sauna as the antidote to that. And
1:35:12
Speaker 3: to see people on phones, to hit you know, the
1:35:14
Speaker 3: little bit of music coming from the things.
1:35:16
Speaker 4: It would really spoil that.
1:35:18
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like, can't we just have something
1:35:21
Speaker 3: that's sacred, right it? Can't we just keep the sauna.
1:35:23
Speaker 3: It's this little box. We're all in there together, half naked.
1:35:26
Speaker 3: Can't we just keep that as a sacred space?
1:35:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it should be. I do broath work in
1:35:31
Speaker 1: the sauna to Marissa when when I'm in there by myself,
1:35:36
Speaker 1: of course, right do it. But when there's other people
1:35:39
Speaker 1: in there. Try not to you know, annoy people or
1:35:43
Speaker 1: you know, become a frustration for others. But yeah, that's
1:35:46
Speaker 1: really helpful, especially in the steam room, because the steam
1:35:48
Speaker 1: room here at the gym that I go to, it
1:35:50
Speaker 1: gets so steamy, dude, so freaking steamy. You can only
1:35:53
Speaker 1: stay in there for like eight minutes, eight minutes max.
1:35:58
Speaker 1: Like your body's just burning. But we.
1:36:03
Speaker 4: Stayed last night.
1:36:05
Speaker 3: We was away for the night and my wife booked
1:36:07
Speaker 3: a place that had a you know, a sauna and
1:36:10
Speaker 3: a steam room because normally we have to because we're
1:36:12
Speaker 3: where we live in the countryside, there's nowhere like that,
1:36:14
Speaker 3: so we have to travel to to use the sauna
1:36:16
Speaker 3: each week. And this place was the best I've ever
1:36:19
Speaker 3: been to, the best sawn in the best steam room.
1:36:21
Speaker 3: It was just everything, Like the facilities were really cool.
1:36:25
Speaker 3: And I was in there this morning and yeah, it's
1:36:29
Speaker 3: just it's one of the few times where you're in
1:36:31
Speaker 3: that you're in close proximity to people. You all kind
1:36:34
Speaker 3: of in there together. And what I've found sometimes, and
1:36:37
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've found this, but I like you,
1:36:39
Speaker 3: I'll sit and meditating there, like I'll cross my legs
1:36:42
Speaker 3: and I'll close my eyes and I'll try and count
1:36:44
Speaker 3: my breasts, especially once it starts to get difficult when
1:36:46
Speaker 3: you know, when you're really hot. It's like, right now,
1:36:48
Speaker 3: I'm going to count to one hundred really slow breaths
1:36:51
Speaker 3: to kind of you know, push myself. But what I
1:36:54
Speaker 3: found is when you do that, sometimes other people start
1:36:56
Speaker 3: to join in, Like I'll like, you'll see someone else
1:36:59
Speaker 3: cross the legs and it or you'll see somebody else
1:37:01
Speaker 3: start to do breath work and uh, that shared energy
1:37:04
Speaker 3: kind of spreads out in the steam room. So that's
1:37:06
Speaker 3: always instructive for me because it reminds me that we
1:37:09
Speaker 3: actually do have quite a strong impact on each other,
1:37:12
Speaker 3: and you know, we do like like our good habit
1:37:15
Speaker 3: could rub off on them. And I've you know, I've
1:37:18
Speaker 3: been sat in the steam room before and not been meditating.
1:37:20
Speaker 3: Somebody else does and it encourages me too. So I guess, yeah,
1:37:24
Speaker 3: I guess. I guess we just need to keep plugging
1:37:26
Speaker 3: away out other people and try and be a good example.
1:37:29
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what you do with somebody
1:37:31
Speaker 3: with headphones on so on, Like that's blow my mind,
1:37:34
Speaker 3: Like I'm looking forward to tell my wife, like I
1:37:36
Speaker 3: can't believe someone would be crazy enough to take like
1:37:39
Speaker 3: a phone in there.
1:37:40
Speaker 4: But there you go. You're you're a few steps ahead
1:37:43
Speaker 4: of us.
1:37:43
Speaker 1: I think in America, yep, they'll bring in their phones,
1:37:46
Speaker 1: they'll bring in their headphones. Some some people will literally
1:37:50
Speaker 1: sit in there and talk on the phone while they're
1:37:54
Speaker 1: in the zone.
1:37:55
Speaker 3: I'd walk out, you know at that point, buddy, I'd
1:37:57
Speaker 3: have to get and I don't think I could do it.
1:38:00
Speaker 3: It would just destroy the whole vibe for me if
1:38:03
Speaker 3: that was happening.
1:38:04
Speaker 1: There was this one guy in there one time that, like,
1:38:08
Speaker 1: I don't know if something was wrong with him or what.
1:38:11
Speaker 1: He ended up getting kicked out of the gym, but
1:38:13
Speaker 1: he was acting like he was straight up possessed, like
1:38:17
Speaker 1: it was the strangest thing he had to be. Obviously
1:38:22
Speaker 1: mentally not all there, but he would like make these
1:38:26
Speaker 1: noises and I was like, is this dude okay? Like
1:38:31
Speaker 1: it was really strange, and it sounded like what would
1:38:35
Speaker 1: be coming from like what you would think a demonic
1:38:39
Speaker 1: entity would sound like. I'm like, is this guy trying
1:38:42
Speaker 1: to sweat out this an entity that he's got on
1:38:44
Speaker 1: him or something? But it was weird. And then I went, yeah,
1:38:46
Speaker 1: I went to the front desk and I was like, hey, man,
1:38:49
Speaker 1: there's a guy that's in the sauna right now. I
1:38:51
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with him, but I would
1:38:53
Speaker 1: go like check on him. And I did that every
1:38:56
Speaker 1: time that I would see him in there, because I
1:38:58
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that, you know, he was okay
1:39:00
Speaker 1: and everything. And eventually he became like a really big
1:39:05
Speaker 1: nuisance to people and they ended up kicking him out
1:39:07
Speaker 1: of the gym.
1:39:08
Speaker 2: Well, that was a wild one.
1:39:09
Speaker 1: And you would also play these like high pitched frequencies.
1:39:14
Speaker 2: On his phone.
1:39:15
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know what was going on with that guy.
1:39:18
Speaker 3: But it was like, how hot are these sauna is?
1:39:20
Speaker 3: Because the ones that we've got in Europe are like
1:39:23
Speaker 3: these finished saunas and they get so hot. I just
1:39:25
Speaker 3: can't imagine anyone being able to concentrate on like a
1:39:29
Speaker 3: phone or a sound like it really, you know, the
1:39:32
Speaker 3: pretty intense things out here.
1:39:33
Speaker 5: So is it like that?
1:39:35
Speaker 3: There?
1:39:35
Speaker 4: Is it the same?
1:39:37
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a furnace that's inside of
1:39:40
Speaker 1: the room. It's not like a steam sauna. It's not
1:39:44
Speaker 1: like where you dumped the water on the coals and
1:39:46
Speaker 1: then it steams up the gym that I get to
1:39:49
Speaker 1: has a steam room beside it, and the steam comes
1:39:51
Speaker 1: out and that's what gets you. So I normally go
1:39:53
Speaker 1: into the sauna and then I hit the steam room
1:39:56
Speaker 1: after the sauna because the sauna flushes out your pores
1:39:58
Speaker 1: and in the steam room get them off of you.
1:40:01
Speaker 1: And that's normally how I do it. But it does
1:40:05
Speaker 1: get really hot in there. Like I normally get out
1:40:07
Speaker 1: whenever I feel like that, I'm like being woozy, you know,
1:40:11
Speaker 1: that woozy feeling like you kind of like just a
1:40:14
Speaker 1: tad bit sick to your stomach whenever you've been there
1:40:17
Speaker 1: and in there for a minute. Yeah, that's normally my
1:40:19
Speaker 1: timer to like get out of the sauna. But it's
1:40:22
Speaker 1: not like but it's not like a it's not like
1:40:25
Speaker 1: a steam room sauna with the coals where you like
1:40:27
Speaker 1: dump the water on and then it like steams up.
1:40:30
Speaker 1: That's what creates a heat.
1:40:32
Speaker 3: We have like the coals, but then also a steam
1:40:34
Speaker 3: room too, and it's kind of different. But we call
1:40:36
Speaker 3: it a finished sauna over here, which is yeah, why
1:40:39
Speaker 3: you have like a heat of inside. Then you have
1:40:42
Speaker 3: some hot hot rocks on the top and you do
1:40:44
Speaker 3: create the steam. But it does get pretty hot. But
1:40:46
Speaker 3: do you do you guys do the cold plunging as well,
1:40:48
Speaker 3: because that's in Europe, particularly where we have in somebody
1:40:52
Speaker 3: mentioned in the lap chat do you have molsaonage in Europe?
1:40:54
Speaker 3: And it's dances, Yes, particularly in the Baltic countries, so
1:40:59
Speaker 3: like Paul and Estonia, Latvia, all of those countries. It's
1:41:04
Speaker 3: normal for people to have a sauna at home. And
1:41:07
Speaker 3: we also do cold plunging as well. So after we
1:41:09
Speaker 3: got the saun and we'll get into ice cold water,
1:41:11
Speaker 3: which is normal as well.
1:41:13
Speaker 4: So do you guys do that as well?
1:41:14
Speaker 3: At the gym is like a place to get in
1:41:16
Speaker 3: like a really cold bath afterwards.
1:41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a pool that's right beside of the sauna
1:41:22
Speaker 1: that you can jump into. And I don't like to
1:41:26
Speaker 1: do that because like I would like to shower off
1:41:30
Speaker 1: before I do that, And I see so many people
1:41:32
Speaker 1: get out of the sauna and the immediately jump into
1:41:35
Speaker 1: the pool. So I just don't get into the pool
1:41:37
Speaker 1: now because all of their sweat is just in the pool,
1:41:40
Speaker 1: like they're not showering off before they get out of
1:41:42
Speaker 1: the sauna. Yeah, it's just like becoming this suspit of
1:41:48
Speaker 1: nasty Germans for everything. If you get in there, you'll
1:41:51
Speaker 1: be immune to all that's right, that'll get you. You
1:41:57
Speaker 1: Just whenever you come up out of the water, you
1:41:59
Speaker 1: just take a gold of water and swish it around
1:42:01
Speaker 1: in your mouth and spit it back out. Yeah, I
1:42:06
Speaker 1: would love to be I'd love that there was a
1:42:08
Speaker 1: cold plunge, Like do they have like cold plunges at
1:42:11
Speaker 1: the gems and stuff.
1:42:12
Speaker 4: That you go to.
1:42:13
Speaker 3: They do, but it's more like what you said, it's
1:42:15
Speaker 3: like a shared one. But what we do have over
1:42:19
Speaker 3: here in winter because it gets pretty cold. I mean,
1:42:21
Speaker 3: I'm not sure where you are in the US, because
1:42:23
Speaker 3: I know you get some cold places there as well,
1:42:25
Speaker 3: But we do we do a lot of ice water
1:42:28
Speaker 3: bathing in this time of year. So what we do
1:42:31
Speaker 3: is we go to the like on a on a weekend,
1:42:33
Speaker 3: we'll go to the lake. Oftentimes people do it as
1:42:36
Speaker 3: like a social thing. We smash a hole in the
1:42:38
Speaker 3: ice and then we we stay as long as we
1:42:41
Speaker 3: can in the cold. So you'll be there for like
1:42:43
Speaker 3: you can go up to about your chest and you'll
1:42:45
Speaker 3: be you'll be in there for about five six minutes.
1:42:47
Speaker 3: I do it in the garden and uh. And we
1:42:50
Speaker 3: try and mix that with sauna too if we can't,
1:42:51
Speaker 3: so you know you'll have a sauna and then an
1:42:54
Speaker 3: outdoor ice ice bath.
1:42:56
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's the contrast is really great.
1:42:59
Speaker 3: I mean I I I think these are the like
1:43:01
Speaker 3: natural the natural thrills, like you know, the the antidote
1:43:07
Speaker 3: to the quick, cheap thrills of watching YouTube videos and
1:43:09
Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's like, no, get out there, do
1:43:11
Speaker 3: something natural cold heat.
1:43:13
Speaker 4: I love it all. Yeah, it's really nice.
1:43:15
Speaker 1: You stay in there for five minutes and in the
1:43:18
Speaker 1: actual ice and the cold.
1:43:20
Speaker 3: Now eventually in there for five minutes the first time
1:43:22
Speaker 3: you went in. No, no, the first time, say twenty
1:43:26
Speaker 3: or thirty. But what we do is we start doing
1:43:29
Speaker 3: it going into awesome, so preparing for winter. And what
1:43:33
Speaker 3: you find is by the time you get to the
1:43:36
Speaker 3: minus ten minus twenty, you've built up this really solid
1:43:39
Speaker 3: coll tolerance, Like you don't feel the minus five like
1:43:42
Speaker 3: you would if you didn't do the cold. But and
1:43:44
Speaker 3: we also don't like I've never been ill since I
1:43:46
Speaker 3: started doing this. We've never had a flu. And the
1:43:49
Speaker 3: when in in the U guy, I used to get
1:43:51
Speaker 3: winter flus all the time. It's like an annual thing,
1:43:53
Speaker 3: but that's never happened, so I stick with it, and
1:43:55
Speaker 3: uh and yeah, there's some like the first time I
1:43:58
Speaker 3: actually saw people doing it, I know, it was like
1:44:00
Speaker 3: a national spot here, like everyone does it. And it
1:44:03
Speaker 3: was minus four minus five and I was riding to
1:44:07
Speaker 3: the local park. I had every kind of like layers
1:44:10
Speaker 3: upon layers on and then I gets to the park.
1:44:13
Speaker 3: This was when I was living with my in laws,
1:44:15
Speaker 3: and I see about sixteen half naked bodies and obviously
1:44:19
Speaker 3: I'm looking. The lake's frozen over, and I'm like, what
1:44:22
Speaker 3: the hell's going on, like some kind of race or something.
1:44:25
Speaker 3: And my wife's wife was like, no, it's massa Vanya.
1:44:28
Speaker 3: I was like massa Vana. I was like what's that
1:44:30
Speaker 3: and she was like, well, it means like sea lions.
1:44:33
Speaker 3: I was like okay, and so I was like, they're
1:44:34
Speaker 3: going to get in the water.
1:44:35
Speaker 4: And then I was like wow.
1:44:36
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well we got to try that
1:44:38
Speaker 3: next week. And I fell in love with the kind
1:44:41
Speaker 3: of you know, as much as I like the sauna,
1:44:43
Speaker 3: I like doing this in winter two.
1:44:46
Speaker 1: They get completely naked and get in there, get in
1:44:48
Speaker 1: their ice, just skinny dip in that ice.
1:44:50
Speaker 3: Bro you know they had some clothes on, but this
1:44:55
Speaker 3: is the thing that we do in Europe, and I
1:44:57
Speaker 3: don't think you do it in America. Is kind of
1:45:00
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty in European sauna, whether it's naked or not.
1:45:03
Speaker 3: So there are in Germany it's pretty much all naked saunas. Estonia,
1:45:08
Speaker 3: most families sauna naked, so the whole family will be
1:45:11
Speaker 3: in there naked. It's normal over there. Poland it's fifty
1:45:16
Speaker 3: to fifty.
1:45:17
Speaker 5: You know.
1:45:17
Speaker 3: It's a lot of people here are very conservative, so
1:45:21
Speaker 3: they don't want nude saunas, but they are starting to creep.
1:45:23
Speaker 3: In the place I was at this morning was there
1:45:26
Speaker 3: was some rooms that some people wear nude in some
1:45:29
Speaker 3: rooms that people went I'm not really too happy with
1:45:31
Speaker 3: the new stuff. I prefer not I'd like to have
1:45:33
Speaker 3: my clothes on. I think sauna is intense enough without
1:45:37
Speaker 3: naked bodies all around. But it is kind of normalized
1:45:40
Speaker 3: in Europe to do that as well, so I'm guessing
1:45:42
Speaker 3: it's probably not the same in America.
1:45:45
Speaker 1: No, it's all clothes. If you went into a public
1:45:47
Speaker 1: sauna naked and like, which are a lot of the
1:45:52
Speaker 1: saunas that I've been in are like dual like people.
1:45:56
Speaker 1: It's not just men, it's not just women. Like it's
1:46:00
Speaker 1: like you both you both can go in the same sagna.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: Oh say yeah, okay. I mean if it's socially if
1:46:08
Speaker 1: it's socially acceptable and that's the thing to do, then
1:46:12
Speaker 1: I don't have anything against it. They want to do it,
1:46:14
Speaker 1: do it.
1:46:15
Speaker 3: I think if it's normalized in your culture, then and
1:46:17
Speaker 3: you you kind of brought up with that, and then
1:46:19
Speaker 3: that's fine. You're probably not going to find it like awkward.
1:46:23
Speaker 3: But I think for people who haven't to all of
1:46:26
Speaker 3: a sudden be in a room full of like naked
1:46:28
Speaker 3: people and it not be a sexualized setting. It's like, no,
1:46:30
Speaker 3: it's we're here to do sauna. I'd struggle with that,
1:46:33
Speaker 3: Like where do I look like paw some steam on that.
1:46:36
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to see all this stuff. Yeah,
1:46:38
Speaker 3: I prefer I prefer the clothed one.
1:46:40
Speaker 4: I think.
1:46:40
Speaker 3: I think it's I think culture has moved on a
1:46:42
Speaker 3: little bit. But I know I've got friends from Estonia
1:46:45
Speaker 3: and stuff, and she she told me that, like everyone
1:46:48
Speaker 3: has a sauna, and like if you went to your
1:46:51
Speaker 3: friend's house, they so you'll saw on a naked like
1:46:54
Speaker 3: it was really part of their culture.
1:46:56
Speaker 1: So I guess I got nothing against it. If they
1:46:58
Speaker 1: want to be naked, they can be one ind percent naked.
1:47:01
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, not that I think about it.
1:47:03
Speaker 1: I think that that is the way that most saunas
1:47:05
Speaker 1: are in other countries, Like they're just like completely naked saunas,
1:47:10
Speaker 1: but the sauna, like you would get a public indecency
1:47:15
Speaker 1: charch here if you went into a sauna naked. Now,
1:47:19
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't get one if it was like an
1:47:21
Speaker 1: old dude sauna, like, because no dude is going to
1:47:23
Speaker 1: care if you're naked inside of the sauna, Like, it's
1:47:27
Speaker 1: not going to really be I mean, they'll probably care,
1:47:29
Speaker 1: they'll probably complain, but it's not going to be a
1:47:31
Speaker 1: big deal. But if you're in a public one with
1:47:34
Speaker 1: like family or women and you're a dude and you're
1:47:39
Speaker 1: in there naked, oh yeah, ain't no way.
1:47:42
Speaker 3: Yeah people taking phones into the sauna, then of course,
1:47:46
Speaker 3: like no one's gonna you know what I mean. Like
1:47:47
Speaker 3: it's a cultural shift, right. We used to have a
1:47:50
Speaker 3: much more respectful culture. People would have you know, been
1:47:53
Speaker 3: adult about that, but today in today's world, I don't
1:47:56
Speaker 3: think so, And if people are taking phones into the sauna,
1:47:59
Speaker 3: I can see people getting into fights, like, you know,
1:48:02
Speaker 3: worried that someone might film them. You know.
1:48:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:48:05
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're not living in the same era as like
1:48:08
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties and sixties, where maybe in certain cultures
1:48:12
Speaker 3: that stuff would be handled.
1:48:13
Speaker 1: Well.
1:48:14
Speaker 3: Today we're in a different place, buddy.
1:48:17
Speaker 1: But this theres a lot about the culture in Europe
1:48:20
Speaker 1: and in other countries that they can go into a
1:48:23
Speaker 1: sauna naked with other people in and not be an
1:48:28
Speaker 1: issue and not be a thing, and people would like
1:48:30
Speaker 1: not be like freaked out about it, well like self control. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:48:38
Speaker 3: I got a good friend in Germany and he's you know,
1:48:40
Speaker 3: we was hanging out not so long back, and he
1:48:43
Speaker 3: came across to where I live and he said, we said, oh,
1:48:46
Speaker 3: you were closing the sauna year. I was like, yeah,
1:48:48
Speaker 3: I said that. In Germany, nobody does, so it's still
1:48:50
Speaker 3: kind of part of their culture. Doesn't matter mixed. So yeah,
1:48:53
Speaker 3: it's a cultural thing and Europe, Europe for a long
1:48:57
Speaker 3: time has been you know, we are quite I mean Americans,
1:49:01
Speaker 3: I don't think Americans understand quite what Europe's like. But
1:49:04
Speaker 3: it's very tolerant culture is very conservative. We're very intravet
1:49:10
Speaker 3: in a sense, you know, although you might think it's
1:49:12
Speaker 3: extra vet to be naked in disauna, I guess.
1:49:14
Speaker 4: But we're very polite, you know. People will sit there quietly,
1:49:18
Speaker 4: eyes on the floor. It is like that in Europe.
1:49:20
Speaker 4: We're not as loud as in the US.
1:49:22
Speaker 1: I don't think we have naked beaches here. And do
1:49:25
Speaker 1: you guys have naked you I don't know if you
1:49:28
Speaker 1: live on the coast anything like that. Yeah we do.
1:49:31
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, I was running on the beach
1:49:33
Speaker 3: this year and I run too far and I was like, whoa,
1:49:37
Speaker 3: all the clothes have gone. And I fought I was
1:49:40
Speaker 3: on the nudist beach. And then I got back to
1:49:42
Speaker 3: my wife, I said, well, I know where the Neudice
1:49:43
Speaker 3: beach is. It's about a mile that away. That was yeah,
1:49:47
Speaker 3: I mean again like that stuff. To me, it's like, no,
1:49:50
Speaker 3: if you want to be naked on a beach, naked
1:49:52
Speaker 3: on a beach. It's like, I'm a big advocate of
1:49:56
Speaker 3: being naked, just not around everyone else. Like in my
1:49:58
Speaker 3: garden where there's no one out. Yeah, some babe, the
1:50:01
Speaker 3: son's out. Get that stem on your skin. There's nothing
1:50:03
Speaker 3: wrong with that. I think we should embrace our our
1:50:06
Speaker 3: you know, bodies and ability to go out. But I'm
1:50:08
Speaker 3: not a public nude passage.
1:50:09
Speaker 4: No, that's not me.
1:50:11
Speaker 1: Mike out there in his garden acting like Adam and
1:50:13
Speaker 1: Eve naked out there prune and this crops.
1:50:17
Speaker 4: That that'sual.
1:50:18
Speaker 1: Be my.
1:50:19
Speaker 3: That's one of my criteria for a house, Like, how
1:50:21
Speaker 3: do you know it's private enough? Can you walk around
1:50:23
Speaker 3: the guden naked? If it's a yes, then yeah, it's
1:50:26
Speaker 3: private enough for me.
1:50:30
Speaker 1: You just got one leave, like right over your genitals.
1:50:34
Speaker 1: Your wife's got the two leaves on our breast. It's
1:50:39
Speaker 1: just it's freaking funny, dude, super funny. Well, Mike, my friend,
1:50:45
Speaker 1: has been an amazing conversation. Thanks so much for coming on.
1:50:49
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. It was a fun, laid back chat.
1:50:53
Speaker 1: And appreciate you a lot, my friend. Let people know
1:50:57
Speaker 1: where they can find you online, plug your social media,
1:51:00
Speaker 1: plug anything that you would like to talk about.
1:51:05
Speaker 3: Cheers writer, Yeah, thank you so much for the invite.
1:51:07
Speaker 3: It's been fun. It's kind of what I needed after
1:51:10
Speaker 3: speaking about fires in LA, to have a nice, laid
1:51:12
Speaker 3: back conversation, So thank you. I appreciate it. And yeah,
1:51:15
Speaker 3: you can find me on parallelmke dot com. My podcast
1:51:19
Speaker 3: is over there, where we do full length episodes. I
1:51:23
Speaker 3: like to research, so similar to Rider, I like to
1:51:26
Speaker 3: know a topic, really go into it, and we kind
1:51:29
Speaker 3: of explore a little bit of everything on their esoteric
1:51:32
Speaker 3: spirituality and also the history of financing and monetary history
1:51:39
Speaker 3: I really like as well. And then I've also got
1:51:41
Speaker 3: my kind of topical show about finance, which is the
1:51:44
Speaker 3: Parallel Systems Broadcast. You can find it on YouTube, subs, substack,
1:51:47
Speaker 3: and we've also got a patren community, which, of course
1:51:50
Speaker 3: it's like anything else. If you really did like the content,
1:51:53
Speaker 3: then there's newsletter over there which you can check out.
1:51:55
Speaker 3: So I'm sure Brider will put it in the description.
1:51:58
Speaker 3: So thanks again, right do.
1:52:00
Speaker 1: You is the podcast a different than your channel? Do
1:52:02
Speaker 1: you do different things on the audio only version of
1:52:05
Speaker 1: the podcast and you do on your YouTube channel?
1:52:08
Speaker 3: I do, yeah, so the YouTube I do put some
1:52:11
Speaker 3: of my podcast episodes on there just to kind of
1:52:13
Speaker 3: spread the word, but I try me My YouTube channel
1:52:16
Speaker 3: is mainly about finance, so it's a bit more topical
1:52:18
Speaker 3: what's happening. I speak a lot about some of the
1:52:22
Speaker 3: big trends that are happening wealth preservation. I kind of
1:52:26
Speaker 3: put my monetary research, whereas on the on the podcast,
1:52:29
Speaker 3: yeah you know, I just had my latest episode was
1:52:33
Speaker 3: Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers, So we had a great
1:52:36
Speaker 3: conversation about the solo maximum cycles cataclysm. I try and
1:52:42
Speaker 3: get a real mix on there, but it's definitely biased
1:52:44
Speaker 3: towards what I'm really into. So I like the esoteric.
1:52:48
Speaker 3: I like, I'm a Christian too, so I like to
1:52:51
Speaker 3: talk about cataclysm in times. It's I find it fascinating
1:52:55
Speaker 3: hidden histories, so I you know, the history of the
1:52:58
Speaker 3: financial system, the stuff we don't get told. And similar
1:53:02
Speaker 3: to you writer, I just really like to get into
1:53:04
Speaker 3: stuff and find stuff that's new. Like when you was
1:53:06
Speaker 3: doing your Shining documentary, You've found a few things in
1:53:10
Speaker 3: there where I'm sure you was, like I maybe the
1:53:13
Speaker 3: first person to ever found that. Like, that's an exciting
1:53:16
Speaker 3: thing for me, and you don't get to do it
1:53:18
Speaker 3: all the time. But I find, you know, there's a
1:53:21
Speaker 3: lot of these histories that people just haven't really looked
1:53:23
Speaker 3: at very well, and maybe somebody did at some point,
1:53:26
Speaker 3: but it just wasn't recorded. So I like to go
1:53:28
Speaker 3: and scrape over something again and see what's really there
1:53:31
Speaker 3: underneath the surface.
1:53:32
Speaker 4: So we try.
1:53:33
Speaker 3: I try and bring listeners along for that journey on
1:53:36
Speaker 3: the podcast, and yeah, that's what I enjoy doing.
1:53:40
Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of Adam and Eve and cataclysms in Christianity,
1:53:45
Speaker 1: have you read this CIA document that Adam and Eve's story.
1:53:50
Speaker 3: Yeah? I actually actually read the full first chapter at
1:53:52
Speaker 3: the end of my episode with Ben Davidson and kind
1:53:55
Speaker 3: of explain what it is and why it's important. It's
1:53:59
Speaker 3: it's actually, you know, you reach out to number one
1:54:02
Speaker 3: of them. It's pretty terrifying stuff, right, It's it's pretty scary.
1:54:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not.
1:54:07
Speaker 3: It's not for the faint night. I actually won my
1:54:09
Speaker 3: list as I was like, right, I'm going to reach
1:54:11
Speaker 3: out to one. But really consider if you want to
1:54:13
Speaker 3: read this full book, because maybe you don't need to
1:54:16
Speaker 3: read it. It's it's out there, and I don't know.
1:54:20
Speaker 3: What do you think about before we leave? What's your
1:54:22
Speaker 3: take on this pull shift? Do you think, first of all,
1:54:25
Speaker 3: it's legitimate and secondly that it looks like we're going
1:54:28
Speaker 3: towards it or do you take it more with a
1:54:29
Speaker 3: pinch of salt?
1:54:32
Speaker 1: Well, either way, I think that this document is really
1:54:34
Speaker 1: interesting because it actually gives you, you know, this this
1:54:38
Speaker 1: timeline of like events and where if some kind of
1:54:43
Speaker 1: huge natural disaster happens, the safest place to be in.
1:54:47
Speaker 1: I believe that it says that the safest place is
1:54:51
Speaker 1: in Colorado if you're in the United States. Of course,
1:54:54
Speaker 1: that's the one that I paid attention to, because I'm
1:54:58
Speaker 1: probably not going to be in a completely different country
1:55:01
Speaker 1: if anything like that happens, is probably going to be
1:55:03
Speaker 1: in the United States.
1:55:04
Speaker 5: But it talks about how Colorado in the in the
1:55:08
Speaker 5: mountains of Colorado, I think it's around the es This Park,
1:55:12
Speaker 5: I believe, is that area that if you're in Uesence
1:55:17
Speaker 5: Park and you're on top of the mountain, this big
1:55:19
Speaker 5: cataclysm happens, that's like the safest place for you to
1:55:23
Speaker 5: possibly survive this giant cataclysm that may or may not
1:55:29
Speaker 5: be coming. But the document also says that it's probably
1:55:34
Speaker 5: not going to happen in our lifetime as well. So
1:55:39
Speaker 5: I don't know what to think of it, but it's
1:55:40
Speaker 5: a really interesting article. I'll actually throw it in the
1:55:42
Speaker 5: chat here for if anybody who wants to check it out,
1:55:45
Speaker 5: and I mean not an article but a document, if
1:55:50
Speaker 5: they want to read through it, because I definitely thought
1:55:52
Speaker 5: that it was really interesting and definitely interesting that it,
1:55:54
Speaker 5: you know, came out of the cia.
1:56:00
Speaker 1: Of website. What's your thoughts on it before we wrap
1:56:04
Speaker 1: up here?
1:56:04
Speaker 3: Well, don't read it before bed, is my first thought.
1:56:07
Speaker 3: You might not sleep too well at night. And secondly,
1:56:11
Speaker 3: you know, I think with all of these things, I'm
1:56:13
Speaker 3: a big fan of cycles, and certainly there is cycles
1:56:16
Speaker 3: to cataclysm, so we know that. And if you look
1:56:19
Speaker 3: back throughout the historic record of geographic record, you can
1:56:23
Speaker 3: find evidence of civilization collapse events where all of a
1:56:28
Speaker 3: sudden fossils disappear and there's everyone's gone. You know, clearly
1:56:32
Speaker 3: we disappeared for a time. So I think these things
1:56:35
Speaker 3: do happen, right whether we're living through it now, well,
1:56:38
Speaker 3: I think every generation has always had these stories around
1:56:42
Speaker 3: this is the generation there's going to be a cataclysm.
1:56:44
Speaker 4: It's going to happen now.
1:56:46
Speaker 3: And maybe that's a part of what they want people
1:56:48
Speaker 3: to think as well, like maybe that's been encouraged right
1:56:51
Speaker 3: now to make us more submissive to just saying, well,
1:56:54
Speaker 3: we can't do nothing about this. It's divine, divinely written
1:56:58
Speaker 3: that it's going to happen. We just have to step aside.
1:57:00
Speaker 3: So I take it with a little bit of a
1:57:02
Speaker 3: pinch of salt. However, I also do think there is
1:57:06
Speaker 3: evidence that we are living through a time of big,
1:57:08
Speaker 3: big shifts, and maybe that could explain also some of
1:57:12
Speaker 3: the things that are happening in terms of geo engineering
1:57:14
Speaker 3: and agenda thirty twenty fifty. Maybe that's a part of it.
1:57:19
Speaker 3: So I look into it. But I also say to people,
1:57:22
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, look at you know,
1:57:25
Speaker 3: I try to live with stoic philosophy. Can I change it? No,
1:57:29
Speaker 3: Well file it under unimportant. You know, it's important to
1:57:33
Speaker 3: know about it. Okay, I'm not saying it's completely important,
1:57:35
Speaker 3: but why get yourself wrapped up in a cataclysm? I
1:57:38
Speaker 3: said to my wife recently. I was like, if it's
1:57:40
Speaker 3: going to happen, what are you going to do about it?
1:57:43
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not going to go to the top of
1:57:44
Speaker 3: that mountain in Colorado.
1:57:45
Speaker 4: Put it that way. I'm not sure i'd want to
1:57:47
Speaker 4: survive that cataclism. I think you might.
1:57:50
Speaker 3: I think I might me want to be right at
1:57:51
Speaker 3: the epicenter of it, intentionally, because the survivors ain't going
1:57:55
Speaker 3: to have an easy one I'm joking, of course, but no,
1:57:58
Speaker 3: I think for stuff like that, you got to say,
1:58:01
Speaker 3: live every day as it comes, be a decent pass
1:58:04
Speaker 3: and enjoy your life. If a cataclysm happens, well so
1:58:07
Speaker 3: be it. You got to see some wild times whilst
1:58:09
Speaker 3: he was here.
1:58:11
Speaker 1: Absolutely I agree on and thanks so much for coming on. Mike.
1:58:15
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