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THE MORAL RIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR WAY OF LIFE AT THE BALLOT BOX: SPECIAL GUEST CAMERON KOFFEL · For The Defense With Brad Koffel

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  Speaker 1: People have always believed they're allowed to protect what is theirs.
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  Speaker 1: That means the ground they live on, the things they believe,
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  Speaker 1: the traditions they grew up with, the everyday way they live.
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  Speaker 1: And when something or someone threatens those things, most people
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  Speaker 1: feel they have a right to stand up and push back.
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  Speaker 1: That feeling is older than any law. General, good day
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  Speaker 1: to you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Good day to you as well, sir.
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  Speaker 1: You see where I'm going?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not just protecting your assets. It's also self-defense.
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  Speaker 1: That feeling is older than any law. The ground you
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  Speaker 1: live on, the things you believe in, the traditions that
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  Speaker 1: you cherish, your everyday way of life, of living. When
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  Speaker 1: something threatens those things, most people feel they have a
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  Speaker 1: right to stand up and push back. The feeling is
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  Speaker 1: a natural instinct. And that right, I submit, is a
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  Speaker 1: natural right.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's God-given.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what America was founded upon. You have a
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  Speaker 1: right to stand up and push back. And we're going
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  Speaker 1: to break down what push back means. That feeling is
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  Speaker 1: older than any law. Law is man-made. That feeling is creator-made.
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  Speaker 1: Long before courts existed, families and villages changed. And hobbits
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  Speaker 1: in the Shire defended their homes, their hovels, the Shire,
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  Speaker 1: and the elves. Where did the elves live?
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  Speaker 2: The elves lived under the mountains.
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  Speaker 1: They defend that. And they have the right. It's a
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  Speaker 1: natural law. It's not a man-made law. They have a
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  Speaker 1: natural instinct, a natural right. And everyone across the globe,
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  Speaker 1: across Middle Earth, agreed. That's fair. It's a universal truth,
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  Speaker 1: is it not, General?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So the word moral matters here. So now we're
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  Speaker 1: going to introduce the word moral, M-O-R-A-L. A moral right
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  Speaker 1: is something you are entitled to do because it is right,
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  Speaker 1: not because a man-made law says so. A legal right,
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  Speaker 1: man-made law, is different. A legal right is something a
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  Speaker 1: court will actually enforce. The two often line up, but
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  Speaker 1: not always. You can have a strong moral case and
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  Speaker 1: still lose in court, and you can win in court
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  Speaker 1: even when plenty of people think you were in the wrong.
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  Speaker 1: So when someone says, we have a moral right to
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  Speaker 1: defend our land and our way of life, they are
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  Speaker 1: making a claim about fairness, conscience, not necessarily what a
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  Speaker 1: judge or a court will say. This is where things
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  Speaker 1: get tricky. The word defend. Defending means protecting against a
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  Speaker 1: real threat, legally speaking, a real threat. So we've got
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  Speaker 1: to kind of tease out what are the real threats
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  Speaker 1: that we are feeling on our land that are threatening
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  Speaker 1: our traditions, threatening things that we hold dear, and what
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  Speaker 1: does defending mean? In the law, it means using only
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  Speaker 1: as much force as the threat calls for. That's the law.
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  Speaker 1: It's proportionality. We learned that in law school.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly. If one is sitting there and going to impose
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  Speaker 2: upon the defendant as the all-seeing eye of, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: it turns out he didn't have a knife, you have
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  Speaker 2: to get it perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you have a right to– there's a natural
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  Speaker 1: right to defend yourself, but I– and we've mentioned this
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  Speaker 1: on prior shows– That expands. You have a natural right
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  Speaker 1: to defend your way of life, the things that you
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  Speaker 1: hold cherished, especially if it's on your land.
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  Speaker 2: Especially if it's in winter and it's freezing outside. You
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  Speaker 2: have a need to defend your home because you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to freeze to death.
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  Speaker 1: There's that. Now, in Ohio, you can use force to
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  Speaker 1: protect yourself or your home when you honestly and reasonably
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  Speaker 1: believe you're in danger. And the force has to match
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  Speaker 1: the danger. What about protecting your beliefs and customs? That's
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  Speaker 1: a little different. The law protects those by letting you speak, gather, worship,
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  Speaker 1: and vote. It does not let you use force against
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  Speaker 1: another person just because they live differently or disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: But what if the laws don't protect your ability to speak, gather, worship,
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  Speaker 1: and vote? What if those institutions, the institution of free speech,
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  Speaker 1: the institution of gathering, the institution of worship, the institution
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  Speaker 1: of voting?
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  Speaker 2: Of owning firearms.
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  Speaker 1: What if the threat goes after those and starts to
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  Speaker 1: change those?
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  Speaker 2: That's where that usually starts going.
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  Speaker 1: That's the color revolution. That's what we're dealing with. And
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  Speaker 1: the people that are called on the right feel a
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  Speaker 1: deep belief, a deep, widely shared moral right to protect
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  Speaker 1: their land, their faith, their traditions, their way of life.
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  Speaker 1: That right is real. It's older than the laws itself.
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  Speaker 1: It's worth talking about. But the moment the question becomes,
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  Speaker 1: what am I allowed to actually do about it? The
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  Speaker 1: answer shifts from morality to law, and the law draws
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  Speaker 1: firm lines around force, threats, and harm to others. But
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  Speaker 1: what if there is a subversion right under your nose
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  Speaker 1: of those institutions that are designed to protect you? What
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  Speaker 1: if there's a subversion of the schools? What if there's
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  Speaker 1: a subversion of the ballot box? Speaking of the ballot box,
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  Speaker 1: we have elections coming up in midterms. There's a candidate,
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  Speaker 1: there's a Koffel candidate, and he's in studio with us.
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  Speaker 1: And the Koffel candidate is my son, Cameron Koffel. He's
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  Speaker 1: 24 years old. He's grown up in Well, obviously he's
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  Speaker 1: grown up in my household. Michelle and I have been
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  Speaker 1: very firm backers of allowing the kids to have their
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  Speaker 1: own beliefs. But if we think they are straying to
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  Speaker 1: a poison, if we think they're going to a wrong direction,
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  Speaker 1: thankfully we've not had to deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: Really? We would push back.
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  Speaker 1: And I've watched my friends. They were like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
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  Speaker 1: There are boundaries. There's a nope, nope, nope, don't go there,
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  Speaker 1: but form your beliefs. The problem is now a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the younger generation, there have been no parents or
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  Speaker 1: grandparents to tap them going, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Keep going this way. Keep going this way. And as
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  Speaker 1: a result, this color revolution that I submit started in
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  Speaker 1: the 90s, early 90s. So we're going to talk about today.
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  Speaker 3: It's here.
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  Speaker 1: It's a slow cook. For me, the question is going
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  Speaker 1: to be what is our generation's Fort Sumter? What is
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  Speaker 1: our generation's Fort Sumter?
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  Speaker 2: Does our generation know the significance of Fort Sumter?
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  Speaker 1: When is the peace over? Who fires a shot? When
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  Speaker 1: is there a movement against the republic? That the majority
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  Speaker 1: of Americans go, you don't do that. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: give you one example right now. Alaska, Dan Sullivan.
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  Speaker 2: Which one?
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  Speaker 1: Alaska, Dan Sullivan. I'll give you another one. Got to
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  Speaker 1: look at what's happening in Europe, France, Italy, Spain, riots.
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  Speaker 1: All these are just students that are protesting about bad
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  Speaker 1: educational standards. B.S., they're only on weekends. They're very coordinated.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start here. We're going to end here.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to meet here. We're going to dress like this.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to cover ourselves. Who are these people? These
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  Speaker 1: aren't native Parisians out destroying Paris. These aren't native Florence, Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Florentines.
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  Speaker 1: Florentines out destroying Paris. rioting and looting no these are
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  Speaker 1: people that have come in these are carpetbaggers are people
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  Speaker 1: that have come in to push the next wave of
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  Speaker 1: the revolution.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't see too many mosques being burned down.
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  Speaker 1: It's happening and if you're listening to this show you
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  Speaker 1: know it's happening whether it's in your you feel it
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  Speaker 1: in your gut in your heart or your head or
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  Speaker 1: all three it's happening that's what i want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about what was what was unforeseeable unspoken Impossible. My grandparents'
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  Speaker 1: generation was radical for my parents' generation. Became, are you
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  Speaker 1: kidding me, during my generation. It's now mainstream for our
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  Speaker 1: kids' generation. It's a color revolution.
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  Speaker 2: It's happening. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm attorney Brad Koffel. This is For the Defense of
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  Speaker 1: the American People with The General. And we have in
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  Speaker 1: studio Cameron Koffel, candidate, independant. non-affiliated candidate for the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: House of Representatives, 7th District, Upper Arlington. Marblecliff, Clintonville, little
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  Speaker 1: snippets of Columbus. He's 24 years old, and he has
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  Speaker 1: decided to run, got himself on the ballot, which is
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  Speaker 1: a major victory right there. And then with the election
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  Speaker 1: coming up– As an independent. As an independent, right. He's
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  Speaker 1: done the hard work. He's doing everything the right way.
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  Speaker 1: And we have to trust that the electoral process will–
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  Speaker 1: it's like the jury process. You have to trust the
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  Speaker 1: jury process. I have to tell clients all the time.
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  Speaker 1: The truth will come out. The truth will come out.
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  Speaker 1: The jury, 12 people, will figure it out. If you
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  Speaker 1: committed this crime, you're not going to outrun 12 people.
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  Speaker 1: The state– there's evidence. They'll present it and 12 people
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  Speaker 1: will figure it out. You're not going to outrun them.
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  Speaker 1: If you're innocent, you'll get kicked loose. It will be
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  Speaker 1: a painful process. It will be a very stressful process.
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  Speaker 1: But those 12 people, they'll cut you loose. We have
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  Speaker 1: to trust the process, the institution of the jury, the people. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the institution of the jury, the people now is the
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  Speaker 1: electoral process. What happens when there's contamination of a jury?
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  Speaker 1: What happens when there's contamination of an electorate? In Alaska,
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  Speaker 1: Alaska is a U.S. Senate election. There are two people
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  Speaker 1: named Dan Sullivan on the same ballot. One is Dan S. Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: the Republican senator who already holds the seat. The other
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  Speaker 1: is Dan J. Sullivan, a separate candidate who's running as
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  Speaker 1: an independent. Dan J. Sullivan is a different person who
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  Speaker 1: entered the race and will appear on the November ballot
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  Speaker 1: against Senator Dan S. Sullivan. The main challenger to the
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  Speaker 1: senator is Democrat Mary Petola. The word fraud is being
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  Speaker 1: used because the New York Times reported that aides to
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  Speaker 1: Mary Petola have helped recruit the second Dan Sullivan and
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  Speaker 1: that a Petola staffer was told to look for every
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  Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan in the state.
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly there was this big influx of Irish voters.
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  Speaker 1: Who If some voters meant to vote for the senator
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  Speaker 1: but accidentally marked the other Dan Sullivan, the sitting Republican
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  Speaker 1: senator loses votes he otherwise would have gotten. The New
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  Speaker 1: York Times reports that Patola's former campaign manager said Patola
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  Speaker 1: didn't personally take part in recruiting the second Sullivan but
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  Speaker 1: was aware of it. All right. Now, that is jury tampering.
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  Speaker 1: That is– electioneering tampering. That's overt. That just shows you.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to say this, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: back it up. Over the last 300 years, the most
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  Speaker 1: violent political theories have come from the left. They've come
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  Speaker 1: from the left. You can look at everything through history
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  Speaker 1: and you go, That came from the far left. General,
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  Speaker 1: what happens when we lose– what happens when innocent people
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  Speaker 1: who have to go to criminal trial are getting– going
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  Speaker 1: to get convicted by a jury because there's been– the
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  Speaker 1: jury has been tampered with or the laws have been
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  Speaker 1: rewritten in such a way that the defendant– the innocent
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  Speaker 1: person is actually going to get convicted and sent to prison.
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  Speaker 1: That's on the criminal side. On the civilian side, the
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  Speaker 1: citizen side, is when your vote enters a fraudulent system,
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  Speaker 1: like the Dan Sullivan of Alaska, or what happened in Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: The incumbent had the Supreme Court justice order The polls
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  Speaker 1: to be open an additional two hours.
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  Speaker 2: Only in the areas.
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  Speaker 1: Only in areas where the incumbent, who was the underdog,
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  Speaker 1: according to polling.
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  Speaker 2: Had the strongholds.
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  Speaker 1: Had the strongholds. And next thing you know, Lula claims victory.
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  Speaker 1: The incumbent or the challenger, Bolsonaro, flees the country in exile.
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  Speaker 1: How far are we away in America from something like
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  Speaker 1: this where Trump or Trump administration has to flee the
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  Speaker 1: United States in exile? When we lose the election integrity,
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  Speaker 1: if we lose the integrity of the ballot box. And
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  Speaker 1: I worry also about like my son. Let's talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: So Cameron decides to throw in, run for the state house. Cameron,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks. Uh, Why run at age 24? Why not run
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  Speaker 1: with the Republican Party? Why not run with the Democrat Party?
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  Speaker 1: Why run as an independent? And do you trust the system?
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  Speaker 1: And what do you see as a 24-year-old who's grown
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  Speaker 1: up in my household?
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  Speaker 2: Objection. Compound question.
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  Speaker 4: Well, one of the reasons I first got into the race,
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  Speaker 4: it was almost a year ago around today, maybe in December.
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  Speaker 4: And I drove by on Fifth Avenue, which is in Grandview.
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  Speaker 4: And I saw a guy with a sign that said
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  Speaker 4: Vietnam veteran. And I could tell he had his hat
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  Speaker 4: on and.
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  Speaker 3: He was homeless.
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  Speaker 4: He was sleeping on the streets that night. And that
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  Speaker 4: should make all of us angry.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: They did what we asked of them. They came home
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  Speaker 3: and they got forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: And so I saw you and I've heard you tell
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  Speaker 1: the story a few times. You saw a homeless or
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  Speaker 1: at least a man who clearly was without a home.
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  Speaker 1: He was sleeping on a bench on Fifth Avenue in Grandview.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he was standing because it was the morning shift
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  Speaker 4: because when they're homeless, they don't have anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: To go, really.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then how do you know he was a vet?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he had the hat on.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I've seen this before. And it's well known that
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  Speaker 4: we do have veterans out on the streets.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. OK, let's start.
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  Speaker 4: And every time something like that happens, what we like
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  Speaker 4: to do and what so many people do. is do
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  Speaker 4: the easy thing, which is blaming the other party. The
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  Speaker 4: Democrats blame the Republicans. The Republicans blame the Democrats. And
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  Speaker 4: you know what gets done? Absolutely nothing. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: keep putting people in power who are great at blaming,
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  Speaker 4: great at telling you you're a victim, but they're terrible
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  Speaker 4: at fixing anything. Meanwhile, those veterans are still out there.
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  Speaker 4: You can go drive by this afternoon. And a lot
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  Speaker 4: of folks have given up on anything changing. It's the system.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a Democrat system. It's a Republican system. It's
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  Speaker 4: a libertarian system.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: I have very, very good friends. In fact, one of
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  Speaker 1: my best friends was a diehard Republican GOP-er his entire
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  Speaker 1: life and just gave up and withdrew his affiliation with
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party and was not voting at all. He's
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  Speaker 1: become a non-voting United States citizen. Is that the answer,
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  Speaker 1: to just not participate at all anymore?
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  Speaker 4: So here's one other thing, and I'll tell you guys
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  Speaker 4: right now, I'm not voting for a single-party candidate on
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  Speaker 4: the ballot this year. Whether I kind of agree with
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  Speaker 4: them on some things or don't, my vote is not
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  Speaker 4: voting for them. It's taking away their support. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that's something we're going to see more and more.
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  Speaker 1: Say that a different way.
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  Speaker 2: If you choose not to decide, you still have made
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  Speaker 2: a choice. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You're not voting just to vote.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not voting just– I'm only voting with people that
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  Speaker 4: I thoroughly agree with, people that I want to.
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  Speaker 2: Put in power.
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  Speaker 1: When you press the button, what you're saying is– and
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that I don't want to add
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  Speaker 4: to a corrupt system. What I'm saying is that I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to add to a broken system and continuing
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  Speaker 4: to put parties in power, whether it be a Democrat
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  Speaker 4: or the Republican supermajority in the statehouse already.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk– OK. Then let's talk politics here. The John Husted,
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  Speaker 1: Sherrod Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do there? Both, Sherrod Brown, 50 years
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  Speaker 1: in Congress. John Husted's entire year, his entire career has
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  Speaker 1: been in public service.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do there?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not asking you what you vote, but what do
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  Speaker 1: you see when you see Sherrod Brown versus John Husted?
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  Speaker 1: What do you, 24-year-old, independent, camera-crawful, what do you see
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  Speaker 1: when you see those two names.
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  Speaker 2: On a ballot?
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  Speaker 4: I see somebody going to Washington and continuing to fail us.
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  Speaker 4: I see somebody continuing to give to the system that
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  Speaker 4: preys on our suffering. That preys on us struggling. That
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  Speaker 4: preys on us going on the radio and talking bad
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  Speaker 4: about another party.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I see.
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  Speaker 4: It's the establishment. And it's a buzzword these days. But
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  Speaker 4: it's not a buzzword when your energy bill goes up $ 200.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: It's not a buzzword when your property tax bill goes
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  Speaker 4: back up.
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  Speaker 1: Were you surprised... That the– what do you think of
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  Speaker 1: the Vivek Ramaswamy ad, Amy Acton's mom?
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  Speaker 3: Well, so here's– and this might be a– Actually, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to hold that.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to come to a break. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: come back. That was a bridge too far. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that and stick around. It's Brad Koffel
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  Speaker 1: for The Defense of the American People on 610 WTVN.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. General, I saw you drove into the studio
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: here today. May I suggest that you run over to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Chosron and trade in whatever that is you're driving for
• 19:49
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• 19:54
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  Speaker 2: That would be voting with your feet.
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  Speaker 1: The Chevy Silverado, their October event, you get up to $ 12, 000
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  Speaker 1: off MSRP today. I love that truck. Absolutely beautiful. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: let's see how many pre-owned vehicles they have right now.
• 20:15
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• 20:21
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  Speaker 1: of the show. Uh, uh, Cameron Koffel, you're back in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: studio with us. You're running for state house. You're an independent.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: You're 24 years old. You're also going to law school
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: at night. You're very busy. I've watched your campaign from
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a distance, written a couple of checks here to help
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you out. Uh, I, before the break, I asked you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: about Vivek Ramaswamy's ad, uh, regarding Amy Acton and getting
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: her mom on, on, on that ad. What was your,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: what was your impression on that?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: So I was actually probably one of the first people
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: here to watch it because on Twitter it came out
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: pretty early. It was kind of a scoop report. So
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I watched the video. I don't know about that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where it got leaked to DJ Byrne, who's
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the rooster.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I saw it on a different account.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I think it got leaked. I want to know how
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: it got leaked to the rooster. And the other thing is,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: did it ever air?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it while watching football. Here's what I'll
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: tell you about it. The first thing you see is, wow,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: this woman is not well. She's not well, and you
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: hope she gets help, right? The second thing you see
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: is that you have somebody going on television, calling their
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: daughter a pathological liar, which we've seen this strategy before.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: We saw it with RFK Jr.
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  Speaker 4: in 2024 when he was running for president so we've
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: seen family members come out and speak out against him
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: that's right they're candid they know they're they're sons and daughters.
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  Speaker 2: But nothing new under the sun it's it's it's.
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  Speaker 4: Really not the one thing that really backfired and i
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and i think it is personally i think it's a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: bridge too far i think it's i think it's nasty
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: and i wouldn't have done it i think a lot
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: of people say they wouldn't have done it but my
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: biggest takeaway is And it gave me Vivek Ramaswamy threw
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: a 80 mile an hour fastball down the middle for
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Amy Acton to hit out of the park. And she
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: put it, I mean, she put it back into Kentucky.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: If you're playing for the Cincinnati Reds, she hit it
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: so far because you know what she comes out and says, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That, yeah, that's my mom.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I haven't talked to her in 40 years because she
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: stayed with my stepfather who was charged with raping me
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  Speaker 4: at 12 years old. And you see what I've been through, right?
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: That that's the going through hard times. And making it
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: to the top, that's the Ohio way. That's what I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: want to empower all of you to do. You know
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: what my opponent hasn't done? While he flies around in
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: the private jet across communities that are struggling to send
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: their kids to school or put meals on the table?
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  Speaker 3: That's not what my opponent does. And he gave her
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: a fastball. And love her or hate her, she's hit
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  Speaker 3: it out of the park. And I think he lost
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  Speaker 3: his election with it.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. The only saving grace that the Ramaswamy campaign
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: may have is that There are a lot of votes
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: went in early for him before the ad went out.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think it cooked him. I talked to one 75-year-old
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: man who voted early and said, had I known that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: he condoned that, I would have changed my vote right there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I– to me, when you get into the integrity of
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the election process– That's where we must draw the line,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: whether it's the Democrat knowingly allowing a Dan Sullivan to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: run as an independent. For the purpose of confusion. For
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: purposes of voter confusion, misleading the jury, right? When you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: allow an ad like that to get in front of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the jury and it blows up in your face– That's judgment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: That's bad judgment. Ramaswamy should have known that was going
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to blow up. And the fact that it aired does
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: two things. Number one, it went way too far. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: number two, it showed his judgment and the people that
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: are surrounding him. And I look at the company that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: does these ads, and they've been around a long time.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And they've done some really, really good ads. But most
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of them are crap. And I look at the average
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: age of these people doing these political ads. They're all
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: between 30 and 40. And they're– I don't– 30 to 45.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: They– it's disgusting. And someone needs to tell these little
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: juice box political consultant hacks– What you're creating here, you're
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: spending all this money on these stupid ads that are
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: turning your candidate off. The negative ads don't work. We
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: don't want it.
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  Speaker 3: It's been $ 4 million.
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  Speaker 1: Terrible. And the people will vote. And they're going to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: vote for Amy Acton. The people that weren't going to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: vote for Amy Acton may vote for her because of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that ad. That was a political malfunction.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: They're not just voting. They're putting up signs. I'm seeing
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: it on discussion forums. There's been an influx of Amy
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Acton signs being asked.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But how do you miss that judgment right there? That's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: just it's those people that put that ad together from
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party here in Ohio. Are this is just
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: as bad as the people in the Democrat Party that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: recruited an independent with the same name, Dan Sullivan, Alaska. Okay.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Hopefully the people will figure this out. What we don't
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: want is to get to a situation where in 2028
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: there's an election and the other side claims it was rigged,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it was stolen. And they have their war– their camps
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: set up all across the country to protest this. Like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: they've been doing in Europe. And the incoming regime issues
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: arrest warrants for the outgoing regime, like what happened in Brazil.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: My big fear is in 2028 that the outgoing party,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: let's just say it's a Republican Party. The Democrats control
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the House, the Senate and the White House. And you're
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: going to see criminal investigations, criminal prosecutions, arrest warrants, raids
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on the administration. Who's going to flee the country? Who's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: going to go in exile? And then those of us
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: back here in America are going, what in the world
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: just happened? We're not having a government in exile. We're
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: not issuing arrest warrants for the outgoing administration. In 2028,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: If things don't change and the Democrats, they get the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: House in 26, they get the Senate in 26, they
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: keep it in 28 and they gain the White House.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I see them crossing that line and claiming they turn
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: around and they do all the criminal investigations and everything
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they did in Brazil. And they just like Brazil chased
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: out Bolsonaro. And now he's in prison. Trump narrowly avoided
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: going to prison. Is Trump in exile? Is his family
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in exile? Is Rubio in exile? Is J.D. Vance in exile?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Is Stephen Miller in exile?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Or is it even just the fear of these things
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: would dissuade certain people from running?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When politics gets criminalized– and it has– Before, there
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: have been remnants. You could look at Rod Blagojevich in Chicago,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the Illinois governor.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: He crossed the Obamas.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He crossed the Obamas and went to prison for a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: ridiculously long time.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Pardoned by Trump.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: For political log rolling. I mean, what he did, right,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it happens. It happens. It's called revolutions. And it's when
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the incoming victors take the head off the outgoing oppressor.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And it's happening in America. It's happening. And I'm very
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: concerned about it. One more segment, and let's talk about
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the Ohio. Let's drill down on what's going on in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Ohio in the midterms and see if we can make
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: some predictions.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: As of this recording, we have the midterms, 2026 midterms.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Elections are underway. Tuesday, November 3rd is right around the corner.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And the president is not on the ballot, but he
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: kind of is. The whole House of Representatives and about
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a third of the U.S. Senate are, and the results
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: decide who controls Congress for the last two years of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: his term, a term that, in my mind, is going
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to be. to be a bunch of witch hunts and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: impeachments against Trump. All 435 House seats, 35 Senate seats,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: 36 governorships are up for grabs. Right now, Republicans run
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: both chambers, but by thin margins. They hold the House, uh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: By just 218 seats to 214, they hold the Senate
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: 53 to 47. But there's an old pattern in American politics.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: The party that holds the White House almost always loses
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: seats in the midterms because voters are unhappy and those
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: voters show up to send a message. And that pattern
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: looks like it's holding this year. The House is where
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: most change is going to happen. The House is predicted
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to give way to Democratic control. That then opens the
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: door to the impeachment process. The Senate is the harder
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: climb for Democrats, and that's genuinely up in the air.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: The Democrats need to flip four seats to take control,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: just four seats. And if they take control of the Senate,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: look for a conviction on the impeachment potential. I mean,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this. It still requires two thirds vote
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in the Senate.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Right. So if they have like 51 or 52 seats,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: that's not going to be enough.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: But we're still dealing– but America still– we still have
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: to go through this impeachment process. And impeachment is– needs
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to be reserved. We've gotten– impeachment shouldn't even be part
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of mainstream politics. But impeachment has become a tool, a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: handy tool. Cameron Coffell running for statehouse here in Ohio
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is an independent. has chosen not to affiliate with either party.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: He's 24 years old. Cameron, what's your take on at
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the federal level? What do you see happening? If we
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: talk about Texas first, Ken Paxton, the Republican, James Tallarico,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the Democrat, what do you think's happening? Texas has been
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a railhead for MAGA.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: So again, You know, we talk about political talent, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I think one of the most politically talented things is
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: how the Republicans continue to throw out the most uninspiring
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: candidates that might actually have a decent message that a
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: lot of people could agree with. You know, I'm not
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: part of either party, but I can see things.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: On both sides.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So you're saying Ken Paxton, Mike Rogers. I'm saying Ken
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Paxton's the most corrupt. Darlene Graham. I mean, those are
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the three Republicans right now.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Ken Paxton's the most corrupt politician in America. And that
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: says something. But go look at it. And I'm not
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: saying how I would vote down there.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty big statement, but go ahead.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, it can be backed up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: He's taken bribes. He's been impeached from his office in
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: the statehouse.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But not removed.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't the Republicans have found a better candidate than
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Ken Paxton? Is that what you're saying?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I thought they had one in John Cornyn, who's the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: current senator. And I thought they might have had one
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: who probably beats Tallarico.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: But now.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Every poll has Tallarico up.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And it's one of those things where and I think
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the Republicans and what they need to do is find
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: people who are going to step out of the bubble,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: the bubble that this administration is currently in right now.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Whether you like the bubble.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Or not, step out of the bubble and do the
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: messaging of, yeah, life's unaffordable. Yeah, gas prices are high. Yeah,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: we need to change this stuff. But here's my way
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of changing it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And what do I get out of these endless wars?
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And here's my way of changing it. But instead, unfortunately,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of politicians on the right are just a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: little scared.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: So the establishment allows a Ken Paxton to get in there.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: The establishment allows a Darlene Graham to get in there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Out of South Carolina? Yeah. The best the Republican Party
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: has is Darlene Graham. And then when you get into Michigan,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers, very forgettable person. He's up against a dynamic Democrat,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Abdul El-Said, dynamic. The Republican Party in Florida has.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Republican Senator Ashley Moody up by six points.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Socialist or she's going against a socialist going right. And
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Angie Nixon.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Right. You know, and that but what I'm hearing is
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, the establishment, when it's time to go
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: look for a good candidate, they're not going deep in
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the bench. They're not out recruiting like someone like yourself.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: You're 24. You're like, there's nothing in the Republican Party.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you run as a Republican?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: We don't have to get into that too much.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not going through– Why wouldn't you run with the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Republican Party? Why run as an independent?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Because I'm also– I also have views that don't align
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: with the Republican Party.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And that's just– and I'm not– Nor with the Democrats.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Nor with the Democrats.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So your motto has been bring representative politics back to Republicans,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: back to– I'm a representative, a voice for all people.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You want to make sure that all the constituents are heard.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You're not bringing your ideology to the statehouse. You're bringing
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: practical common sense solutions.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: What I want to bring is I don't feel like
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I can look around in this room. Then I could
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: go out into the area where everybody's working. Then I
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: could probably go out on the street and talk to people.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And four out of every five would say, yeah, I
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: don't feel like I'm heard in our current political system.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: No matter where I stand, no matter who I voted for,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like I'm heard. Um, I don't know
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: if you guys are history buffs or not, but exactly, exactly.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: And so, but, but there was a wise man who
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: once said a government of buying for the people, right?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: This doesn't feel like a government of the people.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Also, another wise man also said it's a Republic if
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you can keep it. Right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: And, and that's in, in one of the reasons I'm
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: not running as a Republican or Democrat or anything, even
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: a libertarian, I hate labels.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I hate him. I hate him because I talked to Republicans.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I talked to Democrats.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I talked to everybody in, you know what I'm not
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: doing instantly seeing them as a label. I'm seeing them
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: as John or Shirley or Samantha. I'm seeing them as
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: a person, a person who was crying on their doorstep.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: This happened to me this past spring, crying on their doorstep.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I was going around getting signatures because she was worried
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: that if we got rid of property taxes, she would
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: lose her.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Job at the state park. So you don't think about
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: those people.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: But that's a human who's got kids, who's got parents,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: who just wants to make ends meet.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But this is what you're describing. And I want everyone
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: to understand this is Jeffersonian democracy. This is what this
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: show has been about for a decade. Trust the people
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to make the right decisions for the people.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: John Adams talked about that works if you have a
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: moral people.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: We do. We do.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: We do. We are a moral people. We all want
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to help the person who's homeless. We all want to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: help the person who is handicapped. We all want to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: help the person who is suffering, whether it's mental or emotional.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: We all do.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: We all have kindness in our heart. And in the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: political system, Cameron's right. We slap labels on people. And
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the moment you get labeled, You're on one camp or
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the other, and we're not supposed to be a party system.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Well, Ralph Nader told the story when he was 14
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: years old. His dad would always talk politics at the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: dining room table, and he said to his dad, Dad,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: do you ever think there will be a third political party?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And his dad said, Son, I'd be happy if there
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: was a second.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I think a big issue here is the global wealth
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: concentration issue. If you think of all the money, houses, land, businesses,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and savings in the world as one giant pie, wealth
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: is everything a person owns minus what they owe. The
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: question now is how's that pie going to get cut
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: up and who gets the big slices? The short answer
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is that a very small number of people hold most
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: of the pie. The richest 1% of adults on earth
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: own close to half of the world's pie, the wealth.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So if we were all part of a club, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I submit that we are, we're all humans sharing this
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: rock going around the sun, we need to make sure
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that every single person has clean water, access to medicine,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: is free from oppression, is free from criminality, that crimes
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: will be prosecuted. There's law and order and their rights
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: are protected. That needs to be. Now the question is, does,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: does the United States have a, an obligation? You know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: we're on this part of the club. If the club
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is the world, this part of the club have a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: moral obligation to go to sub-Saharan Africa and, and make
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: sure that those members of the club are protected.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I would say no.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what we need to be talking about.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And it's just there's so much money that's concentrated. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the concern that the issue is, well, it's a whole
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: other conversation. Anyway, we've got to run. We're out of time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.