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Nick Carboni on trading Adam Thielen and resigning Hunter Renfrow! · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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[SPEAKER_01]: Black and silver in the air tonight Blue flames burning on the stadium lights We roll out loud, we don't back down Can't for hearts beat in this time Break it down, now play my play We let go of the sight, every game day From Christos to the roaring crew Black silver, blue and golden
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today's got the place to keep us alive Bright slings are deep like a panther die If we break it down stats and scores Close game heat then leaves you walk in more Live after the whistle blows Feel the energy It grows Break it down now, play by play We live for the fight every game day From bright suits to the roaring crew Black silver blue we're coming through
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, Malcolm Malcolm C3 Panther, faithful to another special edition of the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tonight, we have a very special guest and a great interview and store for you tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the sports director for WCNC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone say that he is the pride of New England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And being loved by Nick Carbone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, and welcome to the C3 Panthers podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you, Gordon?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What an intro, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I mean, it ain't Bill Belichick right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it is me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly not Bill Belichick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Bill Belichick is the pride of North Carolina or New England, but that's a different podcast at different times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, thank you so much for your time tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you some prevalent questions around things that's Carolina Panthers team right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much excitement going into this 2020-25 season and it's not a number of different fronts, but this offense is going to look very different this year as opposed to what it did last year I wanted to pick your brain a little bit on the trade of Adam feeling and how all of that went down
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jailant Coker goes on I.R.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laterally, right after my question to do is if Jailant Coker goes on I.R.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little earlier than what he originally did through the Carolina Panthers, those named Adam Dylan back up to Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they could have in good conscience, but part of one of the biggest layers of that trade as you know, Cody, was that Adam Dillon, was, I would stop short of demanding, but absolutely asking for a trade back to Minnesota, but I think that is where Dan Morgan would have had to draw the line and say, listen, if I do that, you know, I'm not keeping the Panthers best interest in mine, which I do think he was in his mind doing
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[SPEAKER_03]: before the Coker injury, betting on the young talent in the receiver room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That includes Coker or included Coker until Thursday and being comfortable enough to send feeling to Minnesota where he clearly wanted to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Overall, like when I heard and really you swap out all the picks and they say it's fourth round value, I would have loved them to get a third round pick for
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the more you hear Dan Morgan talk about it, the more you understand, well, the feelings just wanted to go home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And standing in Adam Thelens Way was probably not going to lead to a very dynamic and that very good dynamic in that receiver room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But no, I'd to answer your question, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do not think he would have done that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If Jalen Toker had already gone on IR.
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[SPEAKER_00]: know that this also sort of an extra believes into Hunter Renfrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, why don't blessing and surprise for the Carolina Panthers that Hunter Renfrow essentially was only willing to play for the Carolina Panthers this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was either the Panthers or retirements, you know, there were a few obstacles, namely his daughter watching Bluey,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and exiting out of all of Dan Morgan's calls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me a little bit about that Hunter Rennford dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Originally, Dave Canalis said that he had some peaks and valleys in his performance, but now he is the starting slot receiver for the Carolina Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me a little bit about that timeline of events and how fortunate the Panthers are to be able to lean on a former proble or like Hunter Rennford.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what we know now is that when the Panthers were going to release Hunter and Fro, and then it wasn't going to make the initial 53 men roster, they told him, look, look, things are probably going to change.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why he missed all those, those calls the very next morning, because that is one Adam feeling was traded.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also think what we know now is, and we surmised it then, is that the Panthers felt pretty safe that Hunter and Fro was not going to go
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[SPEAKER_03]: to another team when they released him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Clearly, he wasn't interested in doing that, because he likes the Carolinas.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His other job is here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is a partner in his uncle's company down in South Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His wife is here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's about to have their third child.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the Panthers in the back of their minds knew that Hunter Redfero was safe from going to any of the other 31 teams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I like Bryce and Shermaine, may not have been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they had stuck him on the practice once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: prior to the Coker injury, I think it was a matter of Carolina just trying to convince Hunter Renfro to start the season on the practice squad until he got to a point physically where Dave can Alice trusted it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he has to trust it and apparently he does because it is him, you know, Renfro is starting in the slot on Sunday and they have David Moore still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it is a guy that they feel really good about helping them this season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were trying
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, more slowly, if all those things worked out, but clearly plans change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the biggest plans that have seemed to have changed is that normally your left tackle doesn't have an appendectomy, the week before you're sitting in the opener.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you tell me a little bit more about that with Enchemo Kwonu, what his status is, going into this openary against the Jacksonville Jack Wires and how confident the Panthers are,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Brady Christiansen who has been pretty much a Swiss army knife for the Carolina Panthers for the past, you know, four years now, how comfortable they are with Brady being able to fill end of that spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, if he's not being able to roll on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so interestingly enough, it's been Yashnime and taking all the first team reps at left tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brady Christianson, I mean, he's listed as second team right tackle, but he, as you mentioned, is the guy that can slide each and every wear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think he is the backup for both sides, but it does appear that it would be Yashnime in on Sunday if he came a quannu cannot go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today at practice and Monday at practice, Iki was doing conditioning off to the side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is not taking part in any football stuff yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So
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[SPEAKER_03]: Given that he had an emergency, I happened that can be 10 days ago, and it'll be two weeks by the time they hit the field Sunday, and that he has not practiced here through Wednesday, you probably lean towards him not playing, but Dave Canales has not ruled it out yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he said, what would give him confidence in if he playing Sunday is a great practice, even in an individual work on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, there's a scar, that's got to heal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now, how is your body and that scar healing with all those movements that a left tackle has to make?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's still possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It takes the field Sunday, but I also wouldn't bet on it because I think they're going to be cautious with a guy they, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: want to keep around and we'll see how long they want to keep them around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it's week one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The further this thing goes into the week, and he's not participating in any football stuff, that makes me think he's not going to play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it's only Wednesday right now as we're taping this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Thursday could be a different story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as can Alice left open Friday could be a different story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, such a weird story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he was just essentially feeling bad one night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then say, I need to check that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then has to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever heard of anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My mom had that happen to her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she described it very similarly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you stopped feeling good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: where you start feeling poorly, and then you keep feeling poorly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then all of a sudden, it's extremely painful in your side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think at that point, I think he's dad who I met is a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a physician.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that probably helped spur him on and go to the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of knew probably what it might be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was funny seeing some fans on Twitter's reaction when they found out he hadn't happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that some people thought it was like an elective surgery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not not something you could even like detect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It just happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's uh, it was definitely surprising.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think another surprising injury that, you know, maybe it wasn't quite a serious as an appendectomy, but it was the collapsed, collapsed long of Nick Scorton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I want to ask you about him and how ready she will be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: going into this game against the giant wars, but also princely human beellen as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these were the second dirt round picks for the Carolina Panthers this year, but the Panthers also have DJ one on returning on edge that brought in Patrick Jones the third.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my question is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: how much the Panther fans expect to see the young guns at the start of the season both Prince Lee and Nick's Horton and how much a part of the game plan are they to a zero or a barrel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that'll be interesting to see how it plays out some day, but I think they have to be, you know, counted on to try and contribute right away for a team that is really anemic in the past rush the last couple of seasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're they're leading sack guy last year is gone and you're having clowny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like what Pat Jones brings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like what DJ want him brought last year when he started to get healthy again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you look at these two guys, first team, all SEC Ed Rushers, picked on day two and three.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't pick those guys without having a plan for them to try and get them out there right away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I also think they each bring different things from one another.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they each bring different things into that room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Nick Scorton, he went through a scary medical, and you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: uncommon medical episode two this summer week to a preseason down in Houston after that practice where he comes up with a collapsed lump and we talked to him today i believe for the first time since that happened it was for me anyway and um he was feeling great he was like i'm good like he's he's ready to get out there
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is fully participating in practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a great sign.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think when you see, and when we saw Collapse Lone, it's terrifying from the outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His word for it was, it pissed me off, because I didn't want to be slowed down at all from the progress that he'd been making in camp.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think both guys will be solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think both have the potential to be double digit
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[SPEAKER_03]: players at some point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if that's this year, but listen, if they each grab a handful and help this team get after the quarterback a little more, that is, that is why you drafted them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's good for a couple of rupees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, that I like what they both have because I think the skill sets that they each have differ from one another and everybody else in the room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they'll be out there quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was more surprising next quarter in being a four participant in today's practices or you're coming away with the quote, just a regular tabbies as he's essentially taking in cancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am too on love cats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a cat guy myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a weirdo like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But main room cats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seems like a great locker room character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That a lot of people are just starting to really kind of cold less around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nice kid, young guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not even 21 yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, we went straight to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We walked with him straight to his locker or like, you know, have a few minutes and oh, yeah, yeah, let's talk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I had to ask him about the cat because he got this main Koon cat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm not a cat guy, but apparently they're like 20 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a misplumber.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I asked him how the cat was and he said, I just picked up too worried.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm a dog guy, but I love anybody who gets animals from a shelter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got two cats from a shelter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's got the main
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[SPEAKER_03]: just a couple of tabbies as he told me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's got some sort of dog, I wanna say it's a doxon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's got a busy little house, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's like, you're dead on about his personality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just from a media perspective, that's when we kind of start rooting for guys because I'm like, well, he starts the like pop a little bit, he's gonna be even more fun to talk to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's been great with the media too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And princely as well in much different ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: princely as like, you can see the chip on a shoulder
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's had a few streams that he does on Twitch where he's sort of kind of revealed his personality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He'll find it, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, he's awesome on line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he believes that he can be any left tackle in the league, which is much more in the defender.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, off the first step, he may be able to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got great get off and that's go back to what I said about each guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's what I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is exciting about the two guys that they bring something different than they have, and you got put guys like that out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, it seems like he has a great speed rush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe some of the questions around him is can he convert speed to power, which I do think the defensive line coaches are going to be great in continuing to develop him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to stay on that defensive line because one of the biggest news stories and all of the NFL was the Dallas Cowboys trading Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers for two first-round picks and defensive tackle King and Clark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have recently learned
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[SPEAKER_00]: that Dan Morgan and the Panthers, they were in on talks from my comparisons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, trading defensive tackle, Derek Brown was a bridge too far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you give me some insights into why that was?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just how important Derek Brown is to their defensive game plan as a whole in 2025.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think there's a lot of layers to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Kenny Clark's a really good player too, and the Packers were comfortable with dealing him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that he's a little older than Derek Brown.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Packers are further along and their quest for a Lamarty trophy than the Panthers are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, you know, I think that's just a matter of fact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think trading for a player like Micah Parsons giving up a young talented player like Derek Brown,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you talk about your core.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is in the center of that core for this team and what they're trying to do and what they believe in here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's really hard to part with also the $47 million a year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're parting with as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just don't think like maybe they could make that work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think they feel like they're there yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the packers are, they could be a micoparsons away from hoisting the Lamarty trophy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been building towards that for longer than this iteration of the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's layered.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Derek Brown the player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Derek Brown the person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And where are we as a franchise?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know Panthers fans and Hornets fans never like hearing this because y'all have to hear it every five years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It seems this is here too of their rebuild Jan Morgan and Dave Canales.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where they're.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how you get to be a team that doesn't rebuild, but unfortunately there's been so many resets that it is year two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just think with all those factors, yeah, I was interested.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any sourcing on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that came from Jeremy Fowler, which I take as gold obviously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I just think the player, the person and then the salary and all of that fitting where you are in your track just probably wasn't going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even if you take Derek Brown out of the equation, it's still hard to imagine that this organization at this point in time would be willing to point in ways with two first round picks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it just doesn't necessarily seem like that's in the cards for the team at this current moment, especially with a zero and a barrel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, his defense last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: came up the most points, and then I felt history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to, you know, you know, you know, the panthers need to stop the run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sort of been there and kill these hell, you know, for the past couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this defense is fully ready to be everything that they want to be just after this past draft and offices.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think Dan Morgan has probably got those future first round picks, all but earmark for defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He spent the last two picks on a wider receiver and this is Dan Morgan we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This defense we're talking about, you know that he's trying to build that defense next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is the next thing on his priority list, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, the very, a very expensive move, as you said, excluding the player you'd have to give up, and
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[SPEAKER_03]: factoring that into being a year or two away from being like, oh, yeah, okay, we're there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I want to move to the stay on the defensive side of the ball, rather, and talk about this roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You still have some interesting free agents that are out there floating around like a scientist, Sam, your junior at corner back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have as many summons as once a highly touted
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[SPEAKER_00]: First round, pay potential type of guy at Linebacker and both the defensive backfield and the Linebacker room are sort of thin for the Carolina Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see them going out and making another free signing before the start of the season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you feel that they're pretty much comfortable with the way this roster has shaped out thus far?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No and no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're gonna make it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting into this week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know how like maybe maybe we'll see on Sunday That I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I I'm not comfortable with the lineback in court I think it's thin and I think now you've got a couple of guys a lot of Panther fans when I agree with you and that knows
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's it's thin first of all, and then you've got a couple of guys that were pressed into service last year because of injuries and now Rose boom at least is being pressed in a service this year because of injuries.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Wallace that they didn't bring Rose boom in here to start and now it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that Wallace is a really good future piece if he's allowed to kind of be the athletic type linebacker that he is and not kind of get stuck in the box and.
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[SPEAKER_03]: have to wear the green dot, which it doesn't sound like he will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like Rose Boom Will.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I just, I just think that is an absolute point of weakness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Safety, cornerback wise would just go level by level like cornerback wise.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like their two starters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I really like JC Horan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like a lot of what Mike Jackson did last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it isn't flashy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like nationally recognized, but I thought he came in here like about this time last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like the last week of August.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and did a really nice job all season and helped them win some of their games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then beyond that, Corey Thornton is a guy that fits that same mold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he doesn't have the talent, but he's already showing the know-how and he's got some attributes they like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Caleb Evans, I really seems like Thornton's hopped him at this point.
20:55
[SPEAKER_03]: You go to safety.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do I love that Nick Scott is starting?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do I think he'll start the whole season?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they have guys they really like, late in ransom, Demonic Richardson that have already, like Richardson's proven it to play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of steer, they know he can play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They draft that ransom because they think he's gonna be really good and I think he will be too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's still got some stuff to learn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's not a liability when he's out there and that's why I think Nick Scott's out there now because at least he kind of is picking up what he very will once him to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm more worried about linebacker than anything else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You go bounce back to the front.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they made the improvements.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's just got to play out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Derek Brown, let's count him as a free agent signing.
21:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You just brought in your mobile.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bobby Brown has, you know, has strengths where they have weaknesses and that's stopping the run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Trashon Wharton's an interesting piece.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see how he, you know, he goes from playing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with the number one defense attack on the league to playing with the top 10 defensive attack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's not a huge drop off and should help him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, the interior of the line should be probably the most improved portion of the defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do think that that Joseph's true surprise, sort of, you know, retirement really did throw them through more of a loop than anyone I've expected.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it really, you know, as you mentioned, Rose Burn wasn't expected to be a starter this year, but he's essentially being thrust into that role.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But it didn't ransom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There also mentioned that somebody that a lot of Panther fans are really excited about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dave can now let's kind of all but admitted that they're rolled with Nick Scott just because
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[SPEAKER_00]: That they've been with them.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They know them a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How short of a leash did your field next cut has before Nathan Branson ultimately does jump into that role?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I Honestly think it'd be a couple weeks like you know you drafted this guy for a reason he's got Very good attributes on the field.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a smart kid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's still trying to pick things up obviously, but I think people underestimate how
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[SPEAKER_03]: football coaches value a player that does what they wrote like that knows what they're trying to do and also a player that they've just had experience with.
23:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though you drafted a guy because you want that experience with them, there's a hesitancy in a lot of cases to go with a younger player just because you're a little worried about
23:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, case and point, the third preseason game against Pittsburgh, ransom misses an easy tackle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He also grabs an intersection.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the more they can trust him and practice where we don't see it, the quicker he's gonna be out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think it'll be very long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be surprised because, you know, like Nick Scott is kind of who he is at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ransom is a guy they think can be really good.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the maximum part of a championship win or how it was to book out his team.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was a downhill thumper and this seems like he embodies every sort of trait that Dan Morgan values and a football player and he was certainly impressive during the preseason.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick, I wanted to jump back to the offensive side of the football.
24:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this is a huge year for Brysion.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And you already mentioned that the Panthers have spent the last two first round picks out wide receiver.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a two point question here is, how much did you think they're going to lean on first-year wide receiver, Tadaroa McMillan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be the number one wide receiver this year.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And what exactly do you think this organization is expecting from Bryce Young in gear 3.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, year 3 is often the gear down a lot of GMs look at where according to back is supposed to be putting it all together.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: You're looking
24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: of Justin Herbert, even the Jalen Hroch, what do you think the organization is expecting from those two players this year, Ted O'Roll and McMillan, and Bryce Donn into your three.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll start with Ted Aeroa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they want him to be the number one receiver on this team for a decade plus.
25:15
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they drafted him where they did when they clearly needed a defensive player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the tools to be that.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: He's developing that chemistry with Bryce Young still.
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, at first it's like, you know, we're catching up and then boom and then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They get a play and then at the next one, like they got to start really putting it together more consistently and I think they will because I think you got two smart football players out there at the same time and and McMillan's got a lot of skill.
25:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they will still try to move the ball around and and Bryce Young is kind of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: brought in to be that point guard type quarterback.
25:50
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they want McMillan to be that number one extra receiver on the outside.
25:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they want to get to catch the ball over the middle and just turn on the jets.
26:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have any of it.
26:00
[SPEAKER_03]: We couldn't shoot that portion of fan fest.
26:02
[SPEAKER_03]: But if anybody was that fan fest and saw what you get did over the middle, it's called the bad angles by the defense.
26:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he also coaches the guys on defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're both, they're all his players.
26:13
[SPEAKER_03]: But we get made and take those bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's the perfect role for him, not necessarily like shifty slot guy, but somebody that lines up there and is able to catch the balls over the middle, and then you've got, you know, poker when he comes back and run fro and more and what they do in the slot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I absolutely think that he's going to be now without feeling somebody that Bryce young is going to look a lot to in big situations, especially when he develops more chemistry and trust.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: third downs red zone tight spots because man he can make a bad ball into a good ball real quick Yeah, not just with his frame, but the way he snatches the ball out of the air is different like you look for things that are different that guy picks the ball out of the air like you know you snatch an apple off a tree yeah and he had I think a 5% drop percentage in college I mean very very low he takes pride in being quarterback friendly
27:10
[SPEAKER_03]: he can make spectacular catches, but he told us he always aims to catch it with two hands, but you know, sometimes he sneaks the one handers in there.
27:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think he'll be good and I think now especially without feeling like Bryce is going to be processing third downs, who am I going to?
27:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's hard not to go to a guy with that frame and that catch radius.
27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: For Bryce Young, you're exactly right, third year is become huge for quarterbacks, franchise quarterbacks.
27:37
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's after this season, they're going to look at your fifth year option, or if you have an incredible season, they could give you that long-term extension and be like, okay, we don't have to look for a quarterback anymore.
27:49
[SPEAKER_03]: We got that.
27:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the Panthers are still very much in wait and see mode with Bryce wait and see if he starts this season like he finished the last one wait and see if he can carry that through 17 games this year and take that next step.
28:03
[SPEAKER_03]: What I think he's fully fully capable of doing in Dave Canales when asked about his relationship with Bryce had an interesting comment today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He said that he wanted to he wanted to prove to Bryce that he could put a good offence around it.
28:18
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you about it in week one.
28:20
[SPEAKER_03]: They brought a second thousand yard back to pair with their returning thousand yard back.
28:26
[SPEAKER_03]: So you go to a hundred and Rico doubtal, which they don't get a lot of pub and training camp and listen, I'm included in that.
28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We're can't tell you how many times we talked about the receiver room because it was kind of the soap, not a soap opera, but it was kind of the reality show, the team, but those running backs could be extremely valuable for Bryce Young.
28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: really looked good last year and I think he's he's now really a professional this year.
28:52
[SPEAKER_03]: He lost the way he took care of himself.
28:55
[SPEAKER_03]: He stayed disciplined and I think that's only going to help him catch passes.
28:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's a big year for Bryce.
29:03
[SPEAKER_03]: I think things are set up as funny as listening to somebody talk about Trevor Lawrence and say like the excuses have been exhausted.
29:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we all
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[SPEAKER_03]: experience his first year in the NFL, not his fault.
29:18
[SPEAKER_03]: We all know that last year, he got off to a really terrible start.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And things won't perfect around him at the beginning.
29:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now you've at least got the same play color head coach that you had last year.
29:33
[SPEAKER_03]: First time in Bryce Young's three professional seasons, you could say that.
29:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You got skill players around him that, yes, they need to take the next step in their own careers, but have every tool to do so.
29:43
[SPEAKER_03]: you've got the run game, the O line, like he has, he has every chance to prove himself is here in that office.
29:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially with Ted Roa, too, and this is a player that he advocated for during the draft process like he was big on telling Dan Morgan to get that guy.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he is what this offense is missing.
30:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And it also appears, you know, when you look at Dave Penales in his past, his worked with DK Metcalf.
30:11
[SPEAKER_00]: His worked with Mike Evans.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Ted Roa seems like he perfectly fits that mold of that big body jump ball wide receiver that's kind of feast on those third downs with play action pass, which is also coincidentally enough for Bryce drives.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's it's the same as though that comment that you said from canal this is really proven to be true they are trying to put Bryce in the best possible situation that has ever been around as as a pro football player.
30:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Dave can also, one point did compare Ted Aero's skill set more to Drake London, which I'd be excited about as well.
30:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, well, it was a pretty darn good player.
30:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, at the end of last year, Dave can now as when when Bryce started playing better, Dave started to open up more about Bryce.
31:01
[SPEAKER_03]: For a while, everybody was pretty close off about everything.
31:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was going on.
31:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But Dave told us at the end of last season,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dave told us this preseason, there's more responsibilities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Bryce is not like at first for Bryce and a lot of rookie quarterbacks that have to start week one, like just the operation is tough.
31:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Just getting the play and then relaying it with confidence and authority and then getting everybody up and looking at the defense and then making adjustments, like that's the mental side of it's hard enough and Bryce, young as a very smart guy.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So now in year three, and then like I said, the second year with Canales and his offense and everything, he's now getting more responsibility, not only in the meeting rooms, but at the line of script.
31:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I asked Austin Corbett about that today, the team's center, and he's like, honestly, that's where Bryce really shined this preseason is communicating with me as a center, communicating with the line in making protection adjustments, telling the receivers where they need to be and what they need to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that that is something that also needed to be cleaned up besides the turnovers and I think now with confidence and comfortability in the offense and you know the confidence that came from how we played last season that command of that offense is going to take a jump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it really does seem as though this is the the year where that continuity should help him make that jump that so many panther fans while looking for I don't know how much longer panther fans can go through the quarterback carousel of just not knowing who we have on the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: going through, you know, first hurt cam Newton, then, you know, take your bridge water and we've been through so much, if Bryce can really take that step forward this year, even if the defense has questions, like if this offense can take a major jump, it feels as though they will be able to know as an organization that we know what we have for the future and what we want to build around.
33:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the franchise feels that, you know, hesitancy to jump back on that carousel too.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: They know how hard it is to find a quote unquote franchise quarterback.
33:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Not all franchise quarterbacks are cut from the same cloth.
33:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been watching that chiefs docu series on ESPN and was minded in in one episode, the Patrick Mahomes through 50 touchdown passes, the second season of the league, which is absurd.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody expects price young to do that.
33:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Realistically and sees in three.
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that, you know, he can earn himself at least the 50 year option or even an extension this year by showing like I'm continuing this growth I belong in this league as a starting quarterback and you don't have to worry about this positioning now you can move on to building that defense out now you can move on to putting even more pieces around me on offense so we can go in more games and get a play.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he is the sports director for WCNC.
34:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for your time to now your answers have been very illuminating.
34:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Hope to get you back maybe sometime during the season and talk about the Panthers later on and you know, maybe what they're doing around midseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell all the fans where they can find you and how they can support you in your work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, appreciate that, Cody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm just on Twitter at Nick Carboni, WCNC and on WCNC Charlotte, the NBC here in Charlotte, every night at 6 and 11.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate your man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me.
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