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Bookie for Ohtani's Interpreter Interview - Mathew Bowyer · WiseKracks

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, Bill Krackerberger, John Orlando. We are on location
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  Speaker 1: this week over here in California, beautiful sunny California. We
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  Speaker 1: have a special guest this week, Matt Boyer, who I've
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  Speaker 1: known for many, many years, been around the world. Would
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  Speaker 1: have actually been to some places, and not that I
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  Speaker 1: traveled with him, but I just seen him there and
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  Speaker 1: played a tournament versum. I actually got to the finals
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  Speaker 1: with him in a big tournament. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that. John Orlando here at my side and Matt,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys, No, we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't been this excited to do a podcast in
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  Speaker 3: probably four years, not since Dana. This is my most
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  Speaker 3: exciting episode I've been a part of since Dana White.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is you know, only because we talked about
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  Speaker 1: it coming here to how gambling is so widespread now,
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  Speaker 1: it's everywhere every country. It's big overseas to Australia has
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  Speaker 1: got terrible gallic gambling problems now the United States seven
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  Speaker 1: years ago perhaps, but it was repealed. Gambling is basically
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  Speaker 1: everywhere in the United States now, and we felt so
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  Speaker 1: bad that this guy's actually going to prison involving gambling,
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  Speaker 1: even though he gave up so much.
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  Speaker 3: So, Matt, the world's going to be a better place
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  Speaker 3: with you being locked up. Yeah, this is so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing? This is so nuts, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: As a kid growing up on the East Coast, I
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  Speaker 1: was literally enamored in gambling. My family, you know, my
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  Speaker 1: mother's Italian uncles and aunts. They always on the weekends
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  Speaker 1: the men played peant uncle or poker. The girls played
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  Speaker 1: Continental gin or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But it was always for money.
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  Speaker 1: So as eight seven, eight nine years old, we went
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  Speaker 1: to Mamma's Park racetrack Belmont Meadowlands, not even thinking much
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  Speaker 1: of it. And it was like instilled in me where
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  Speaker 1: I grew up and our parents didn't know, They didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that. They were like, you know, taking us around
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  Speaker 1: this stuff and we become little djns, which I did.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up on a boardwalk town that was a
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  Speaker 1: gambling town. Out here. I always think so different. I
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  Speaker 1: think you guys are all like surfers having fun.
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  Speaker 2: There's no gambling. How did you get into gambling? Well,
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  Speaker 2: grew up here.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up right here in Orange County, and I
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  Speaker 4: grew up in Cypress in Cypress. There's a Los al
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  Speaker 4: Amino's racetrack. You know, it's only eight minutes away.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: So I grew up where my grandparents would take me
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  Speaker 4: to the racetrack and same thing. It was very casual,
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  Speaker 4: just go there with them, and we had two dollars
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  Speaker 4: on a trifecta or whatever, it was something small, and
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  Speaker 4: then we would gamble in yacht see even you know,
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  Speaker 4: board games at the house. So gambling was always around
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  Speaker 4: me as well, even though we do surf out here.
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  Speaker 1: Bill, Yes, that is no I know, I'm I'm just
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  Speaker 1: being funny, really, but we had like after our joints too,
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  Speaker 1: when everything closed, you want to get even, you have
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  Speaker 1: after our joints places that are literally crap games and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're in North Jersey in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Atlantic City had all the action down in
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic City. I was going to Atlantic City when I
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  Speaker 1: was sixteen. I mean, I was a little dj in
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  Speaker 1: Gambler too. Did you as a kid was there games here,
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  Speaker 1: any poker games or any kind of other gambling or
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  Speaker 1: was it sports betting back when you were a kid
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  Speaker 1: or not?
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Well, bookmakers, if you read my book Recalibrate you'll see that.
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  Speaker 4: I tell a story that I was running a poker
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  Speaker 4: ring in my house. Oh, I was sixteen, right, and
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  Speaker 4: then that got shut down because one of the moms
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  Speaker 4: was doing some laundry and found a little cheat sheet
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  Speaker 4: out of an IOU for like three hundred and something dollars. Wow,
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  Speaker 4: when you're sixteen, feels like eight million. So all the kids,
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  Speaker 4: my parents to back back up a little bit. When
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  Speaker 4: I was twelve, the first twelve years of my life,
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  Speaker 4: I had three brothers.
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  Speaker 5: We had to kind of leave it the Beaver family.
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  Speaker 4: Everything that look perfect, and we grew up in Cyprus,
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  Speaker 4: which was middle class, but we were the kids that
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  Speaker 4: never struggled or suffered to get things right. So I
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  Speaker 4: feel like we were kind of babied in a sense,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just spoiled a little bit, you're honest.
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  Speaker 5: And then once my.
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  Speaker 4: Dad, who was a Vietnam Vet, developed a really bad
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  Speaker 4: alcohol addiction. He started drinking forty beers a day and
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  Speaker 4: three packs of cigarettes. After about four rehabs, my mom
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  Speaker 4: just had enough so he left the house. And then
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  Speaker 4: I was twelve, and that was the moment where reality
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  Speaker 4: came in. I started hustling. So from twelve years old,
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  Speaker 4: I had to start. I didn't want to ask my
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  Speaker 4: mom for money. She's working three jobs, trying to keep
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  Speaker 4: us in the house. Sure, my two older brothers or
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  Speaker 4: one was graduating in high school, the other one was
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  Speaker 4: in high school. They were just kind of doing their
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  Speaker 4: own thing, chasing girls and living their own life, so
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  Speaker 4: as me and my little brother, and really didn't have
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  Speaker 4: much supervision. So you know, that's not really good for
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  Speaker 4: a young boy. So I started hustling. I started the
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  Speaker 4: Orange County Register paper Boy baseball card collection, poker ring.
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  Speaker 4: Then I started selling weed little marijuanaut of my house.
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  Speaker 4: So everything was like just trying to make money. And
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  Speaker 4: then I started making almost as much money as my
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  Speaker 4: mom at sixteen because I started also taking sports bets,
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  Speaker 4: making bets any form of gambling. That became my passion
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  Speaker 4: because I knew how to hustle and kind of find
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  Speaker 4: an edge if you will, which you're really good at.
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  Speaker 4: And that edge was imperative to me because I didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to ask my mom for money.
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  Speaker 5: I saw her struggling so bad.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, at sixteen years old, I was running the
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  Speaker 4: poker ring that got shut down. And then when I
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  Speaker 4: was eighteen years old, I finally got kicked out of
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  Speaker 4: my house for selling weed, and I went and got
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  Speaker 4: an apartment with my ex wife, who we end up
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  Speaker 4: having a baby. So fast forwarding at eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 4: like I got an apartment. I was working two jobs.
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  Speaker 4: I worked at the Massimo Clothing Company and the john
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  Speaker 4: wayn Airport, so you know, ends meet jobs right six
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  Speaker 4: to two, two thirty to ten, and then on the
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  Speaker 4: weekends I go racetrack, bet sports, lose money to a bookmaker,
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  Speaker 4: anything to hustle and try to figure it out, which
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  Speaker 4: wasn't working because I was a djen.
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  Speaker 5: Long story short.
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  Speaker 4: After about eight months of that, I decided that's not
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  Speaker 4: working and she got pregnant, so we had to move
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  Speaker 4: back to.
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  Speaker 5: My mom's house.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my mom lost her house, so now she lived
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  Speaker 4: in a trailer park in Dana Point, which is really
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  Speaker 4: hard pill to swallow. So I was like, Wow, I'm eighteen,
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  Speaker 4: about to have a baby, can't even figure out my
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  Speaker 4: own life, and I'm moving into a trailer park. Mind
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  Speaker 4: you the trailer park. It was a two double wide
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  Speaker 4: mobile home with two bedrooms. Yeah, my mom, my little brother,
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  Speaker 4: me and my ex wife on a couch.
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  Speaker 5: So I was like, I better wake up and become
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  Speaker 5: a man.
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  Speaker 4: So I one got a job as a bus boy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm fast forwarding all this. Basically figured out the reason
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  Speaker 4: I got a job as a bus boy. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: hire me as a waiter because I had no experience.
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  Speaker 4: And I figured out, if I started this brand new
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  Speaker 4: restaurant in a very nice area at day in a
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  Speaker 4: point California, I'll meet somebody, use my you know, charisma,
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  Speaker 4: use my personality to get in a job that's a.
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  Speaker 5: Real job, right And it worked. About five months.
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  Speaker 4: Later, got an opportunity go down to this commodity broker's house,
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  Speaker 4: all these young guys making tons of money.
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  Speaker 5: Ferrari's parked out. You know.
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  Speaker 4: It was basically Wall Street room, very much but legal, yep.
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  Speaker 4: And so I worked my way up, got my serious
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  Speaker 4: three license. When I was twenty one years old, I
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  Speaker 4: was the top retail broker in the world. And then
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  Speaker 4: I purchased the house that my parents lost, Wow, the
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  Speaker 4: very same home with for sale for five hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty thousand. I moved into my parents' house. Me and
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  Speaker 4: my wife ex wife were sleeping in my parents' bedroom.
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  Speaker 4: It was eerie, it was crazy. My daughter was two
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  Speaker 4: years old, I was making seven hundred thousand dolls a year.
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  Speaker 4: At twenty one, I had a Mercedes and I was
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  Speaker 4: on top of the world. In that process. I've always
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  Speaker 4: been a gambling degenerate, so I was always gambling and
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  Speaker 4: always fucking awful lot of my money. And I decided
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  Speaker 4: at this point, instead of giving all my money to
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  Speaker 4: book makers, which I kept doing anyway, I'll just be one,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because I was always taking bets, but it
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  Speaker 4: was never really a business. And I had this perfect
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  Speaker 4: like opportunity because I have this broker's firm with these
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  Speaker 4: young guys who are really just hookers, drugs, gambling, all
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  Speaker 4: any vices you could put together, which is just like
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  Speaker 4: the movie Sure Wolfe of Wall Street. Really yep was
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  Speaker 4: my atmosphere. And I wasn't into hookers because I was married.
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  Speaker 4: I really don't drink too much, and I don't do drugs,
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  Speaker 4: never done drugs in my life. But I love to gamble,
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  Speaker 4: so here it is. Let me just take advantage of this.
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  Speaker 4: So I started building a client base, and next thing,
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  Speaker 4: I had about maybe fifty sixty players, and I was
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  Speaker 4: making really good money because these guys are betting quite
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  Speaker 4: a bit. And I wasn't really afraid. As you guys know,
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  Speaker 4: I've heard the stories. I pretty much take any bet
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  Speaker 4: right now. I had a bankroll behind me. So fast
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  Speaker 4: forward about maybe two years later, the Internet comes around.
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  Speaker 4: And when the Internet comes around, I said, this is
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  Speaker 4: a scalable business. So I was one of the first
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  Speaker 4: book makers to go to Costa Rica, use the perheads shop,
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  Speaker 4: take advantage of that, and then I scaled my business
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  Speaker 4: to a dramatic fashion to where I had, you know,
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  Speaker 4: eventually twelve on our clients when I got in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: But it's like in the late nineties.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, later than that, because in ninety three ninety
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  Speaker 4: three I graduated high school is eighteen. So I would say,
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  Speaker 4: right around the year two thousand, I mean, what kind
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  Speaker 4: of money were you doing at that point?
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  Speaker 5: Back then?
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  Speaker 4: I would say probably like the average bet maybe was
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  Speaker 4: maybe I would say five hundred to two thousand, okay, And.
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  Speaker 5: Then I had some guys betting up to five or.
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  Speaker 4: Ten thousand, which, mind you, this is twenty five years ago,
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  Speaker 4: so that was a bigger number then. And of course
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  Speaker 4: it escalated dramatically when I was probably about thirty years old.
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  Speaker 4: That's when I really started book making big and then
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  Speaker 4: of course set the tail in my career, you know,
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  Speaker 4: million dollar bets and.
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  Speaker 5: Did you have anyone backing?
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  Speaker 4: No, I never had any backer, really never. I had
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  Speaker 4: to be stressful. It could be yeah, especially gambling from.
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  Speaker 3: At a gambling you're like you, you really the equivalent
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  Speaker 3: of like a drug dealer used to the rules like
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  Speaker 3: don't get high up your own supply.
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  Speaker 5: That was you.
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  Speaker 4: I actually got higher because I was gambling higher than
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  Speaker 4: I was taking, which is really a problem. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Bill knows this better than anyone. If you don't have
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  Speaker 4: the bankroll management. And then I would go to Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: I blow two million, I'd come home I lost a
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  Speaker 4: million five in my book making operation, three and a
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  Speaker 4: half million dollars gone. And then maybe I went to
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  Speaker 4: Vegas with the two I blew that came home and
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  Speaker 4: only had let's say, eight hundred thousand here. Now I
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  Speaker 4: got to go borrow seven or grand. I've been there
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  Speaker 4: many times. I've been unbelievable in many positions.
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  Speaker 2: Well you're only booking and you were borrowing.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: I borrowed money so many times in my lifetime over
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  Speaker 4: the last thirty years.
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  Speaker 5: You would no.
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  Speaker 4: One would ever know, because every one thinks bookmakers just
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  Speaker 4: win now.
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  Speaker 2: You guys all win now.
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  Speaker 1: If there's losing weeks when you especially if you have
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  Speaker 1: one or two clients that control your book they're betting big.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, five ten thousand guys.
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  Speaker 1: If you have a guy betten in one hundred thousand,
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  Speaker 1: they're the guys that are going to control you a week.
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  Speaker 4: They mat out more than all your players right at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day. If you're a book maker
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  Speaker 4: that like me, doesn't really care what the limits are, right.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm willing to gamble.
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  Speaker 4: Most most bookmakers are smart enough to know, like, let's
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  Speaker 4: bank roll managers saying let's not let one or two
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  Speaker 4: guys control your operation. That makes sense. But for me,
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  Speaker 4: I was a gambler. I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I'll beat this guy in the long run. I'll take
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  Speaker 4: it as long as I know the money was good.
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  Speaker 4: I knew he wasn't sharp. I didn't want your action, Bill,
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest. No, But at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you say that?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was down and I ran into you multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: Sports out of the country and coastal coastry. We were
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  Speaker 1: in Dominican Republic.
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  Speaker 2: One of them. I mean, there's Bahamas.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was when I seen you in there,
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  Speaker 1: you were in a sportsbook betting, and I said, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's sharp. You know what he's doing for myself?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know want to talk to there. I said,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is taking sharp bets and laying it off
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  Speaker 1: making money.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know your operator. I never I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I tried that too. That didn't really work.
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  Speaker 1: I never had an account because knew I wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to get one. Well, who you knew who I was,
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  Speaker 1: so I never really wanted.
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  Speaker 5: To be honest.
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  Speaker 4: I was fair warned that you're smarter than the average
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  Speaker 4: bear anyway. Yeah, so if I would have gave you an account,
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  Speaker 4: it would have been through somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, I think we discussed it one time. We
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  Speaker 5: never end up.
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  Speaker 2: I've never did it. Yeah, I was going.
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  Speaker 4: To get you a couple accounts with a couple of
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  Speaker 4: guys I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Really love in the business. What was the most amount
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  Speaker 5: of money you ever had to borrow? Two million?
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  Speaker 4: For sure, I definitely borrow two million from a friend
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  Speaker 4: of mine.
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  Speaker 2: You have a friend that'll give you two million cabs?
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  Speaker 5: I do, he would give me two million today.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I compensated him
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  Speaker 4: draft k.
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  Speaker 5: But he understands the whole business.
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  Speaker 4: Though not only that, he understands me right at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, Like if I borrow two million
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  Speaker 4: dollars and I'm in the shoes I'm in today, he
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  Speaker 4: would still lend it to me because he knows I
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  Speaker 4: will get him the money eventually, even no matter what happens,
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  Speaker 4: unless I get hit by a bus. Sure, the only
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  Speaker 4: way he would not get paid. Because I'm not claiming
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  Speaker 4: I'm an angel. I'm not the most honorable person in
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  Speaker 4: the world. Like I definitely had my share of problems
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  Speaker 4: with people in the past whatever, but I would never
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  Speaker 4: fuck over my friend ever. Yeah, I mean truly, I
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  Speaker 4: would actually ruin my own life. Sure, for I'm back
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  Speaker 4: because he did me that solid of giving me two
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  Speaker 4: million dollars showing me that good fate, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: I had so many of those relationships. Thank God, that
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  Speaker 4: I could come home and know that I had it
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  Speaker 4: covered wowed me to as you know, which is very
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  Speaker 4: important as a gambler to walk into a casino, even
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  Speaker 4: if it was my to be honest, last two million
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  Speaker 4: dollars I would gamble like it was I had one
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  Speaker 4: hundred million at home. Because you can't go into a
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  Speaker 4: casino and be like scared or play fearful. I mean
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  Speaker 4: one thing about me, I have zero fear. I mean
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  Speaker 4: zoo that I was with you.
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  Speaker 1: I was with you one time, sitting down at the
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  Speaker 1: table just to watch it, and you guys were betting
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  Speaker 1: two hundred thousand and a hand. This is the kind
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  Speaker 1: of money they're betting. Abot four hundred thousand dollars. Swings slackjack, no,
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  Speaker 1: and and he's had swings. But I didn't know this
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  Speaker 1: till yesterday. Tell John what you bet on the Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl that kind of money.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you. I have the tickets to prove it.
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  Speaker 4: I bet one point twenty five million at the Atlantis
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  Speaker 4: Casino live in person.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, I have the tickets. I was in the I
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  Speaker 5: was in Atlantis, and then.
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  Speaker 4: I bet the all the rest of the bets through
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  Speaker 4: forty book making accounts.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say their name is a out
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  Speaker 4: of respect, but they're all well known people.
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  Speaker 5: I had relationships with that.
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  Speaker 4: Almost everybody crossed the four point six on the game,
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  Speaker 4: but some of it they were a dog was Chiefs
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  Speaker 4: against the Eagles.
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  Speaker 5: I hope he had no Chiefs against Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs.
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  Speaker 4: I got lucky in one, of course, But at halftime
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  Speaker 4: I bet four point two million. And then at halftime,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember the game, Mahomes
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  Speaker 4: was like hobbling.
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  Speaker 5: Into the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone thought he was done, was done.
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  Speaker 5: And guess why, I thought.
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  Speaker 4: I was betting on Chad Henny, right, And so I
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: bet four hundred thousand dollars more on the second half.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: And people ask me all the time, knowing that why
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: would you bet four hundred thousand dollars more? And I said,
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: because I'm a Dejenner gambler. And I was just hoping
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: that Chad Henny would have the game of his life,
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: knowing that I'm probably going to lose the four point
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: two and hoping to you know, make a comeback because
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: they already be down by I think seven or ten time,
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: whatever it was. And when Mahomes came back out and
• 13:42
  Speaker 4: obviously looked amazing the first drive.
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: Crazy, I was like, I got a shot at.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: This, and uh, you know, truth feeling it really was,
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: But truth be told, I was already down a million
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: five at the Atlantis and then every book making account
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: I was betting on, I was already down for the week,
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: so sadly, out of the four point six I made money,
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: but it was minimal. Like I came home with two
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand from Atlantis, which is nothing considered all the
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: risks and exposure ad and then I came home to
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: collect some packages around town for like little eight hundred thousand. Wow,
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: So it was I bet four point six million could
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: have been now nine million. And I came home and
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: maybe had a million dollars total collected.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: That whole process of the Trip Westgate Superbook Super Contest.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: This year we also have the Super Contest College five
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars an entry. I'm so pumped up for this.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: It's five there's five hundred and sixty eight people in
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: this contest right now. I expected to probably go up
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: to about eight nine hundred. You only have like a week, though,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: so make sure you get in before August twenty ninth.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Five hundred dollars. Like I said, seven picks against the spread.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: This is something that's revolutionary. The town never had it before.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to this super contest, fifteen hundred entry up
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: to five hundred and thirty five thousand in the prize
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: pool already Super Contest Gold, Super Contest Survivor. This is
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: going to be really good over here at the West Gate.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: How many times would you say you have risked pretty
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: much your entire net worth?
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Many?
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Many sounds like a many times many times?
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: Wow, truly, I haven't.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: I've risked my net worth and money that I don't
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: have many many times, like I'm not even proud of it.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: I'm just being honest.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Could being honest because that some people can't do.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: Well, Yeah, they struggle with it. I don't. I'm actually
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: the opposite.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: I just tell the truth too much and say too much,
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: which is very obvious based on my case. You know,
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: my attorneys hate what I'm doing right now.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: And I know there's clearly you said there's multiple people
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: that you've been able to borrow from your relationships and stuff,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: which speaks to the kind of person you are to
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: be able to have access to money like that. But
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: there's definitely been times where you even were like, oh shit,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I'm in a jam now.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Like listen, I'm not afraid to admit it. I owed
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: the win Las Vegas. I lost three million dollars there.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I couldn't pay. When I got home, went on a
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: payments plan. They took me to the Clark County DIA's office.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I had to pay ten percent juice on it, paid
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: that off, paid the win. You know, I ended up
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: making it right always, but I've been multiple times.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: You paid the juice on it? You said, yeah, buck
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: on my hands at kah. Sorry, so you paid the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: juice on. Now after you owed that money out, did
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you get credit again? No, not a windows from casinos
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: in general.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Of course I did.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: It goes to Central Credit, of.
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: Course I did.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: And then even with the remarks, even with the remarks,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: they still put you in a million percent.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Casinos Really they love to bury people. No, they really do.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Listen, They're not dumb. They have the best collection agent
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Way check. It's a felony.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: You're going to jail if you don't pay.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: If a bookmaker had that right, I mean, other than
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: that back in the day when the mob would just
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: do something drafted for you.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: There's no better collection agency than the jail.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to poont account and I'll
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: tell you why something you don't know. I've never really
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: told the story to almost anyone except for my wife.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm in put the count on that trip, and
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I win one hundred and fifty thousand in that tournament.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I won that tournament.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I had a double on a seventeen versus I had
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a double on a seventeen. I'm telling the story. I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: think you had a nineteen. I had a seventeen.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Oh you guys were heads up.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, down to the last down.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: They don't last time, and he obviously won.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I had a double one of seventeen. I got three.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah and I But that's not the point.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Was really this is how you met or you are.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: We saw each other a million times.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I actually felt it, and you know, usually I would say,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: let's split.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: When he split the money, Yeah, this morning was nothing
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to him. He's not going to split one hundred. He
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: might have.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: We actually talked about it and I said you you
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: were like hey, and I'm like, no, I don't worry.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Beut, I'm betting this one. Here.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: You're betting this.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: On one hand, you're like, okay, the dup working out
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: But I got lucky.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: But here the point I want to tell you that
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: you don't know, so they wouldn't give me a check.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I wanted to check. They wouldn't give me a cashier check.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: The wouldn't give me a check. I know, you have
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to take the cash. We don't deal with cashier checks
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: with the States. It is the weirdest thing ever.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Wow. And and the.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Director of marketing, the guy that was let me get
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: out of the place, did not like any He didn't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like any of us. I just didn't like even though
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: he was and it might have been him, they made
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: me take the cash.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So now I have I have to go and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: have to go and declare through fence him and they
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: were the nastiest people that I've ever dealt with, probably
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: at an airport or anything. I said, I want to
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: declare it. I say, google my name, I declared tax
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: went every year. I showed them the things, and they
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: still like put me in the back room and locked
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: up the money. I thought I wasn't going to get
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the money. I thought they were going to steal the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: money from me. That's what I thought. I heard horror
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: stories of people landing in the airport there in the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Minican Republican driving over to Putta Khana the casino, which
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: is probably like twenty minute thirty minutes away. I heard
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: horror stories about something's happening, but it's never happened to me.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: They pick you up in a limmit. I heard people
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: got pulled over and robbed. That's what I heard. Wow,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So do you have any stories, because in the book,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing that you have a story of something happened
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's a more than a horror story.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: So I went.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: My wife and I got married in twenty eighteen Pelican Hill,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: amazing wedding, the best time in my life.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Twenty sixteen.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: At the end of sixteen, we were looking for places
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: for a bachelor bachelor ret party.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: So in seventeen I went to Baha Mar just.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Opened, beautiful, beautiful place, right, gorgeous.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: We go there.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I went one hundred and sixty five thousand, sticking around,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: checking out a location. A million dollar line. Strike that
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I had a million dollar line that time. I already
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: told you a story off camera about Periente giving me
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: promised me a million, only give me five hundred thousand.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: That was the next trip. Anyway, had a million dollar line.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: I wont one hundred and sixty five thousand. It's like
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: five thirty in the morning, we go to the airport
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: and you know, you fill the customers forms. Well, I
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: did not declare the money. And the reason I didn't
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: declare the money is not because I was trying to
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: hide it for tax purposes. Because if you fast forward
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: about six months earlier, I won about three hundred thousand
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: in Las Vegas. I came through the airport, they put
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: it through the scanner, got flagged. The TSA agent called
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: a supervisor over. They came over. Okay, where'd you get this?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Caesar's Palace? Here's the phone number my host, please call
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: him verify it. Okay, this is through.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Right. I landed John Winn Airport. Were there, me and my.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Wife all of a sudden, waiting from bags to come down.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I see two guys with badges walk up to me.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: You could tell they're looking at me like, you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: like they're looking at a picture. Hey you're mat boy, right,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I said, yeah, Hi, Homeland Security John whatever his name is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I said, okay, we need you to grab your bags
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: and come with us. I said, well, what did I do?
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I said, well, we'll discuss that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: No problem. So I'm waiting with two agents.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: My wife is about I would say seriously, like five
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: or six feet away from me. The money's in her bag.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Carry on, and she looks at me and I give
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: her the eye, like because the one agent had to
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: go get another agent, a woman, because clearly they're about
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: to strip search us or whatever. So I had this
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: agent that I'm talking to literally kind of turned a
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: little bit and I gave her the She just grabbed
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: the bag went straight out the door. If you guys
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: know where Orange County Airport, Yeah, the luggage the baggage
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: carousel is very close to the front door.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: She went right out the door.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, this is true, story, verifiable, And so she
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I have my phone. They didn't take my phone, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: I'm texting her get the fuck out of here. Just
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: go cross street. El Treido's Cross Street. So we didn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: do anything wrong. But yeah, I just I know where
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: this is going.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: By the way, I've lost six packages through ups FedEx mail,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: one for a quarter million dollars. It's all verifiable in
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: the reports. A mafia guy sent me a quarter million.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I thought he'd lied. Later I found out it was true.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: He did mail me the money. They just the government
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: took it. Anyway, long story short, she leaves. Now the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: other agent comes back and he goes, where's your girlfriend
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: because weren't married.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Then I said, uh.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, because you don't have to
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: answer anything, right. And then there's another attractive woman, maybe
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: another ten feet over. They grab her, take us back,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: separate us. She's obviously you could hear. I don't know
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: this guy. I don't know what you're talking about. God,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: they went through all her luggage. Okay, separate us. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: won't let us talk because they think we're together, which
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: we're not. And then I grabbed my leg. They let
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: us grab our luggage. I have luggage. Now, I have
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: women's clothing, my wife's stuff. And they see she has
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: their stuff, so they clearly have realized by now something's wrong, right,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: And then they're asking me where's the money, and I said,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I just got on the plane. I don't have to
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: answer these questions. You know.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Basically I'm being kind but a dick, you know. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: so they go throw all the luggers and they well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: why do you have women's clothing?
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I go andthing goes to Vegas.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I always got to be a smart ass ude, right right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: like Sir Am I being arrested, Like what did I do?
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And they're like, you're not being arrested. So I get
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: all my stuff and then let me go. So of
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: course I get my car out of valet, I go
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: pick up my wife. I'm making sure I'm not being
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: tailed because she has the money. I get home and
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I get rid of it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Now the reason I tell you that story is six
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: months later, the story you're asking about is occurring. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: know that if I go through any TSA, they're grabbing
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the money because what they do is the government's smart.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: They take your money if you're doing anything in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: gray area, and they make you claim it. And we
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: all know that if you're doing ending gray, if you
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: can't really claim anything, or you don't even want to
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: go anyway, let's be real, you just let it go.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: So if they take it, it's gone, right, so I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: don't declare it. So in the Bahamas they have US customs,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: unlike most places.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: You fly home first, and.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I think that's because we own part of the Bahama
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: or whatever the treaty or whatever it is. Anyway I
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: go through there, I get flagged, surprise, surprise, pulled aside.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Do you have over ten thousand US currency. I said, yes, sir,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I do Why did.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: You answer no?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I said, it's five point thirty in the morning, I'm tired,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I'm hungover, and give him some bullshit. He says, okay,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: well that's failure to declare. I said, okay, no problem.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming there's going to take the money.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: So we get back in the back room. Our flight's
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: already gone and my wife's like, hey, we're going to
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: miss our flight. Can we book another one. He's like, oh,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: oh no, no, we're going to turn you over the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Bohemian government.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: And I said, well, I don't understand you're taking the money, Like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: what did we do wrong? It's a failure to declare,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: which is a felony. Didn't know that. I said, okay, honey,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: go and book a flight. I'll deal with this. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: she's like, no, I'm not leaving you here. And the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: guy says no, you guys are both going the station.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: And I said, well, what does she do. Well, she's
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: with you, she's traveling with you. She's guilty of the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: same crime. I said, huh, I said, what are you
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: talking about. So next you know, we're in a Bohemian station.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: They drive us to a station in a van. We
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: get to the station and they let me speak to
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: the US embassy. US embassy did absolutely nothing. They asked
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: what I did and what the crime was. They realized
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: it was minor in their eyes, right, It wasn't like
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I was going to be held for whatever. So the
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: guy says, stand up please, and then the guard comes
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: around puts us in cuffs. My wife is hysterical. She's bawling.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Never been handcuffed in her whole life. We're in a
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Bohemian jail. They take us back to holding cell. There's
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: like six cells. She gets placed with a woman who's
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: on crack, is just literally shaking. I go in a
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: cell with a guy who just's Canadian who just grabbed
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: a waitress's ass. So in Baja Mars, they threw him
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: in jail and then aside from us as three Bohemians who.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Did I don't know what they did anyway.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: So they're heckling my wife because they could see her
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: from this cell, and they're just being fucking punks, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, So here we are, and about three
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: hours go by. Now they transport us to the prison.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: So we get there and my wife starts hyperventilating, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I feel the most.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Helpless I've ever felt in my life. Oh and I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: trying to.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Beg I'm begging him just please just let her go,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: like she did nothing. I don't even know what they're
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: doing with me, but I mean, you know, come on, really,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you're gonna put her in prison. So we get there
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: and they take three guys out of a cell who
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: are shackled, and she sees that and then she literally
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: goes into I would call it almost convulsions. And then
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the warden says, are you a threat to harm yourself?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And she's like no, and I said, yeah, yeah, I
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: mean clearly that's a positive.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Sure, he's trying to offer some help here, So she says,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: oh okay. So he allows her to go back to
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the other jail cell because she's coastrophobic, and he's now
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: we're in a prison, right, So they drive her back
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and they put me in a prison cell. It's a
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: two blocks ailet toilet that doesn't work. Three guys in there.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: It's two man cell. Two guys are laying down. So
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I sit in a corner and there's fecies everywhere. There's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: about seven water bottles full of piss, and that's where
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you go to the bathroom in and they say, what's up, Cracker?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: So here we go, you know, And luckily they didn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: want any problems. But I stood in a little corner
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: and just waited. No water, no food, no explanation. No
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know where my wife is, and I have
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: no idea how long I'm sitting there.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: So this was.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Sunday, like maybe I would say about one o'clock in
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: the afternoon. Finally we ended up in the prison because
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: we went the airport like six in the morning. Long
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: story short, Monday, A whole day goes by Monday. They
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: pulled me out, drive me to the courthouse because it
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: was Sunday. That's why I couldn't see a judge. Go
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: in front of a judge. This is the crazy part
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: of the story. They said, mister Boyer, you owe five
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars fine for each of you, and you have
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to pay an attorney if you like to hire an attorney.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I said, yes, I'd like an attorney. Okay, we happen
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to have two in the back of the courtroom so
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: that she allows us to go speak to these two attorneys,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: choose one. So we need twelve thousand dollars to pay
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: all the fines and get this over with. Go back
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: in front of the judge. Okay, here's my America's we
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: don't take an American Express. Okay, well, it's two o'clock in
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the afternoon. I cannot get you a dollar. You've taken
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: all one hundred and sixty five thousand. What can you do?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I said, the only thing I can do is go
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: back to the casino. And she says, well, then you're
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: going to have to go back to jail until someone
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: wires you the money. And I said, ma'am, I have
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: the money. You're not taking the credit card. You took
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: all my money.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: So the lawyer says, your honor, would you allow the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: guests to go back to Baha Mah and pull from
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: this credit line. She says, yes. Oh wow, get in
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: a police car. My wife isn't a holding cell.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Oh believable.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: They put the siren on the car because they know
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: of limited time. It's now two thirty, right, I have
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: to be back by four to pay the fines before
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: the court closes.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: We drive probably like a race car. Truly.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: The police guy, we're really understanding my situation. I walk
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: into Baja mar Casino. I'm dirty because even though it
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: was only day and a half, you're sweaty, it's gross,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: it's hot, there's no ac in there, and it's feces.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I'm really litterally dirty. I look at a castaway. I
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: walk up to the cage. I walk right up. I say, hi, maam,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I'd like to extract Matt Boyer. I'm having some serious
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: trauma right now. I'm like telling her what's going on.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: I'd like twelve.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Thousand dollars please, right, Bill, you know this, Sorry, mister
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: boy you're just one one hundred and sixty five thousand,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: and you can't. We can't give you twelve thousand dollars
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: the one.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Month and I get it. So you have to use
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that money first before you go back to your credit line.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Right yeah, wow, So she says.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I said, well, I understand that, but this is a
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: little different situation. It's twelve grand I'm good for it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I have a million dollar credit line. She says, well, unfortunately,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: we can't do that. I said, well, please get me
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: the manager. I think Perry Ante wasn't there. Ben Slepian
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: was my host. Ben tried not, there's to no avail.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So I said to her, I said, so you're telling
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: me the only way that I can get out of
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: this country and get thing is to go gamble. She says,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you what to do, right. So I
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: turn around. There's an officer standing ten feet behind me.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I'm not exaggerating. I walk over to the table, black check, table,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: buck rat, and I tell the officer I'm sorry, sir,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I have to go here because he doesn't even unerstand
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: what's going on. They don't know what's going I said,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I need to go over here to get the money, right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I walk over twelve thousand first hand, Oh you took
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a worker for twelve twelve thousand?
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: What do you think happened?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Loose?
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Loser? Twenty four thousand? Second, what do you think happened?
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, god, loose forty eight thousand, Oh, loose, God,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: this is the lost all three hands.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: I are a banker. What do you want?
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I don't really, I'll be honest with you. Those are
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: the three worst hands. I've been more nervous in my
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: entire life, right, any gamble I've ever had in my
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: whole life, you're finally sweating six million dollars. Didn't even
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: touch that. Wow, swear are my kids?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: That's how nervous I was. I'm shaking now because every
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: loss means I got to win the next hand. And
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: now in a point where I can't bet enough to
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: win it back.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That's right, there's limits.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Here comes the.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Manager running up to the table, mister Barriam Spoier. It's okay,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: it's okay, you don't have to play. It's okay. Let
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: me walk you the cage. So we walked through the
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: cage and now he gives me the twelve thousand.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, the two.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: I got twelve because I wanted two pocket change it
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: was ten grand. Drives me back to the courthouse. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: make it by four to ten, we pay, they release us.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: We had to have a flight confirmation that leave the
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: country as we're being deported, and I get home and
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I had to wire them the money I had lost
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: and the marker I took out, so not only lose
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: the one sixty five I had to pay, it was
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: like just under one hundred grand. What a harsh yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: And that was my story of going through that's in
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: the book one hundred percent of the whole story.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: And what made him change it? Like, why did he.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Because he had the authority to make that decision someone Yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: came with someone with a serious authority. Yeah, like everyone
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: else couldn't approve that clearly, And it wasn't alex Perante
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: actually was like someone just below him. I think I
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: actually put in the book it was alex Prante because
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I couldn't think of the guy's name. But it really
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: wasn't because Periente was not there.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So did did you know you made a mistake? He
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: didn't declare the money. Did they get to keep the money?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: You still didn't get it back?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: No, the money was long gone, so.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You don't get even though you made a mistake. Who
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: keeps the money in the country.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: The Bohemian government kept it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, And that was my big fear in Dominican Republic,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: as they said five thousand dollars to get out of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the country, right, you have to give five thousand of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the money up.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I actually believe because we both have been to both locations.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I believe Dominican is much more gray area than even
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: the Bahamas. Like as far as paying people off the Bahamas,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I believe they kept the money clearly, but I was
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: told that the Bohemian government, or I should say, the
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: customs agents are told when customers went a lot of money, yes,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: to see if they declare it wow, because it happens
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: all the time, but they usually just take the money wow.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: So I wasn't even worried.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I was okay, I just got fucks for one hundred
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: and sixty five K. That sucks. I won the money,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I had a great time. Whatever my fault, I should
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: have wired it wow.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And the most thing you feel about about is your
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: wife or your.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Girl, oh, absolutely dragging him down.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And what was the movie with the Turkish yell? Like
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I went to you for a little bit of pot.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I mean it was just that thinking of those kind
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of scenes you say to yourself, Oh my god, I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: bet you she's never went back again.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Ironically, we went back for our bachelor bcerette party I
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Love It forty five days later. But she did not
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: want to and I said, Babe, we've already let's not
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: let this. It's kind of at the point of my book,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: like you can't let something in your life, you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: derail you and change who you are. Like of course
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I understand why she want to go back, but it
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: was more like, why I should we should go back?
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: We'll do it right. I will never I promise her.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I will never go through an airport with over ten
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars, right, and I won't as I've learned my lesson,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: just like unfortunately, I'll never be taking a sports about
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: the rest of my life.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I will take my might make one one day. Sure,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I will not.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: And it's not because I'm just not going to put myself.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: In that position.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You know the risk reward, you know all the negatives
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I'm dealing with.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: It's just I'll never do it again.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And what did you Now, let's go back, let's let's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: go fast forward a little bit. So you had these
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: big customers and you had little customers. You had agents
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: all over the place, which I never knew.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I thought it was you. I didn't think. Yeah, I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: don't think I.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Had thy eight agents, eight agent I did you know
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: some of them only had eight players.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I'm had fifty big operation.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about wager Wire and this is their
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: segment here, this parlay boy. You know I'm tough on parlays,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: this particular one.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So it's a.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Four teamer into Miami, which they already won. That's plus
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: one ninety five Mexico Gold Cup winner plus one eighty five.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The Lynx WNBA, they're currently the favorite. They're plus one
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: forty on this and Buffalo were in a Super Bowl
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: plus seven to one. So the current bet offer, I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, Wow, it seems like it's pretty
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: low considered the first two legs, and it's fifty dollars
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: to win. Eleven thousand and five. Seventy is a true number.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So the current bet offer is six hundred and thirteen.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: At wager Wire. The cash out offer is for twenty two,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: so it's a fifty percent boost from the offer that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the sportsbook wants to give you. Of course, through the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: wager Wire app and wager Wire they give you more.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But I look at this bet, I'm not cashing this out.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The Links are currently the favorite to win a WNBA
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: winner title and the Bills. A lot of the wise
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: guys like the Bills this year, so I think closer
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: towards the Super Bowl, if you get the Links in there,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get a good buyout offer from wager Wire.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to say, don't take the money, right
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: now and that five hundred and sixty to sixty three
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: dollars profit, do not take it. Let's continue this parlay,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: you guys, and hopefully the links get there and you
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: can make a lot more money with the Buffalo bills
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl, or you can actually sell it
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: right before the Super Bowl.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So what did you do?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Like, how did this come about where you had these
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: big players and you had actually now everyone wants to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: know Tani's his assistant, the shock.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, how did you get him? What's his story?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: So my good friend, in fact, he called just a
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: minute ago. He has a really good relationship with David Fletcher,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: you know, who obviously played for the Angels, and we're
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: all buddies and we go golfing and gamble on the.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Golf course and hang out.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And in that relationship he developed, you know, more ballplayer relationships.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: So anyway, we went to a Padres Angels game back
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, and we would we would go
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: to spring training with these guys. I'd go to the
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Arizona Casinos with them, hang out, play blackchack whatever, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: then we play golf. Of course, that day we went
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: to the game, and then that night after the game,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: we went to their private I'm gonna call it private
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: poker game, but it really is just the players come
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: back to the hotel and they just won lost whatever.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: They go, you know, eat some pizza and play cards.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: It's something I think all NBA, I mean, they play
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: on the planes. It's just, let's be honest, they all gamble, sure,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: you know, so I shouldn't say they all most Yeah,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: long story short, was there interpreter and he was on
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: his phone putting in bets, you know, literally on soccer games.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Sure, so my buddy's like, hey, you know, Mat can
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: help you with that, you know. You know.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: That introduction led to, of course him starting with a
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: small account one thousand and eight thousand dollars credit line,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: which turned into three hundred thousand, was turned into five
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand, and then ended up being forty million.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: So he had a three hundred thousand dollars credit line.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Or well, initially eight thousand. He was betting one thousand
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: dollars a game. His first bet, which it's all public.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: They put out every text message, everything, one thousand dollars
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: on a Turkish soccer game, right and literally, and then
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: it turned into he blew the eight thousand, asked more credit.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: I gave it to him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Sure, Let's be honest, I didn't think the interpreter for
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Hoheatani was against stiff me. Sure, and I standed his
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: credit line and got to three hundred. Then he paid it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: He paid this wired me three hundred K. Then he
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: asked for five hundred. Well shit, he just paid me
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: three hure and he's clearly a bad gambler, so greedy wise,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'll gi Hi five hundreds.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: I give five hundred.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: He blows out, he pays, and he asked for another
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: five hundred, another five hundred, and as he's losing, he's like.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Look, I'm going to always pay you.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Just give me more credit because I can't get access
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: to the money instantly all the time to send million
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: dollar wires. I didn't care, you know, I didn't ask
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: who was from. And to be honest, I didn't even
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: know what Shohiatani untill like the third wire.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: Once I saw that name, I was like, holy shit, the.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Wire came from Atani.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, you've seen a wire from from and you must
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: have been like, oh my god, this is this is
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest players ever in the history of baseball.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Well, to me is like I had two feelings, right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: The first feeling is the greed side of me is like, Wow,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I'm never gonna worry about gettingaid. I have the best
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: customer in the planet. Yeah, because he clearly wasn't good
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: at gambling. And then the second part of me is like, oh,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: this is going to put eyes on me and this
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: could be bad. And then I was like, I better
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: make sure he's not bet in baseball. So I went
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: checked and there's no baseball bats, thank god. So I
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: was like, all right, you know, I mean, this is.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Really bet in soccer, which is the biggest bet sport
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: People don't realize that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: By far was it Ashley Otani making the bets, though
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: it was always the interpreter.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Definite, he was the interpreter.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: As far as this is the part that's still in
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: my opinion in question, did Otani know that the interpreter
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: was gambling and to the level he was And did
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: he steal his money or borrow it or that part
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: to me is still in question. But clearly it's known
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: that he stole the money, and that's when he's in prison,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: which I feel terrible for to be honest, because I'm
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: a greedy guy.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I love money.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to act like I don't. But I
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: definitely don't want to be part of a fraud scheme
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: or I didn't want to affect baseball or Showhey a
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Tani's you know tarnish name.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I mean that I hate to say about I have
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: some playing that you know, not on purpose. Sure, but
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: that bothers me.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And he went to jail right now, he get like
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: five years.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's in prison fifty seven months.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And that's you must feel terrible. The guy you were
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: dealing all the.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Time, a very honorable guy. I think you would have
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: paid every dollar. I didn't know he was stealing the money. Sure,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: people ask me, well, how'd you give an interpreter who
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: makes two hundred grand a year forty million dollars in credit?
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I didn't ask who it was. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: never one thing about it. Being a bookmaker, at least
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: for me, was you don't get personal. Yeah, I mean
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I have a relationship, but it's it's very business savvy,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: and my job is to give them a service and
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: their job is to use the service. Right, of course,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I don't want people to blow their brains out and
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: lose more money than they can afford. But I can't
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: control what they're telling me. I can't control where they're
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: getting their money. And to be honest, it's not my business. Yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, yes it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Is, but it's not.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And in the book it actually says that I believe
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Atani was on the mound pitching.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: I went to a game, that's right.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And there's bets coming in as he's pitching. Yeah, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you really if that's why I realized, if you had
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: any little inkling that may be him, you knew it was.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: That's exactly the moment I really, to be honest, he
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: was pitching that night as Angel game here, and I
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: was like, I need to find out excuse me, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: need to make sure that Shohe Atani is not putting
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: these bets in without asking, because I really didn't want
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: to know. So I went to the game and I
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: was watching the pitch and I'm on my website and
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Turkish soccer games and you know, all this bets are firing,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, you know, that guy is very talented,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: but I promise you he can't be on a cell
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: phone and probably shit at the same time, so I knew,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: and then I was.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Like, Okay, what crack you know this?
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe they're partners on account, but let's be honest, either
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: you gamble or you don't. Right, And he's known to
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: be a guy who's never gambled, and you've been known,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: as I have, as a guy who always gambles. So
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: you know, if John doesn't gamble, he never has. Right,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: He's not gonna all of a sudden start betting forty
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: million dollars on sports.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: This is not gonna happen.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Otani easily could not have known. I'm going
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to use this example and you can cut it if
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you want. John's dad, Tony Orlando. Yeah, he had how
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: much stolen from him?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Ten million?
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, over over fourteen years and.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Fourteen year span. His assistant, his right hand man, his
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: account stole fourteen million of his will. Yeah, and he
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: didn't realize.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That that's something I was going to bring up.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Is you know I used to own a PR firm
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and I represented I won't say names, but I represented
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of NFL Hall of famers, a lot of
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Olympic gold medalists, world record holders, and I had a
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: lot of clients for many, many years, and came very
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: good friends with them, as you probably became good friends
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: with your clients. Of course, you've become good friends. It's
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: just what happens. And when you have the trust of
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: someone that is high profile. I absolutely had access to
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I had American Express cards, I had credit card numbers
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: because somebody's you're booking. You know, you're the publicist, but
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: you're also the personal assistant in many in many cases,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: and you're booking rent a car and rooms and flights
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: and stuff and co dinner reservations and the it's a
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: big party, so you have to give someone a credit
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: card number to hold the table and all that stuff.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: And I had, I could have. I could have done
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the same type of thing on a much smaller scale.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: But still you're talking about millions of dollars. Of course,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: it's so easy to do the people that, because I've
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: read when the story first broke, people commenting, how could
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: he not see fourteen million missing or whatever the number.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: It's so easy. They're busy, man, They're not only that, John,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: take it another step.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: What I've this is my assumption, but what I've figured
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: out is, sorry to interrupt, you No, no, you're good.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: The wires. When he I would I would ask to
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: be paid. Of course he had me twenty four million
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: dollars to this day, holy, you know that's what That's
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: what I'm still old.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Ye I never got paid twenty four million. So he
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: was sending like five hundred k at a time, a
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: couple of times a million dollars, but mostly five hundred K.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: And he'd always say in epay, hey man, yeah, I
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: should be able to get that wire to you next week.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: And I realize now because I didn't know this till later.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: He was waiting on the angels to pay. That's what
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: it was, because that account, from my I'm pretty put
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: it all together was his angel's money. Of course, he
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: had a separate account endorsement money, which is way bigger
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: than maybe the angels.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So you know, people were like, how does
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: he have notice?
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, because if you have let's
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: call it, what sixteen seventeen million in this account, but
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you have one hundred and fifty million in this one,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: this is the one you're you know, show he is
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: probably paying his bills or whatever. Sure, this one's just
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: like it's your angel's paycheck, right, I mean, when you're
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: that wealthy.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's probably so much activity either way, people
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: moving money. What imagine, no one catches it. And he's
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the interpreter at the end of the day, he's the
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: he's the go between, right right, so he can even
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this happened in this case, but
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: like if there are business managers are involved, there are
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: other people looking at show Hayes money, you're still dealing
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: with the interpreter. He's busy playing baseball, so he very
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: easily can fire off a text and say, hey, show
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Hay said this.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: And you're not going to question it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Orse, it's interpreter, and he wasn't even I don't know
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: if you guys know this, but he got caught calling
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the bank acting as show Hey and doing things initiating
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: wires and et cetera.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So clearly, how much did he pay you? How much?
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: Team point two million?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: So he paid just sixteen million dollars.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: Biggest client ever oh by far.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sixteen million. And let's face it, in the end,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the casinos got the money they did. I lost it
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: all to resort to me. I lost thirty casinos get
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to keep the money.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: All of these things you see American greed, these different shows,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are on gambling, and in the end,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the casinos get all the money.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: How nice.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can get the thirteen and change to them. Wow,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: you know over about two year period of maybe year
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and a half.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: And of course you know this.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, the casinos are the ones that are still
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: fighting with the government right now in this current case
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: that I have. But I'm the one going to prison,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: and I take account of I really do take accountability
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: for my own actions. But it's kind of sad that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: the casino got away with all the money and then
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: they have yet to even you know, have any accountability.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure the government came to you with a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: deal and saying you can rat out your agents, write
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: out your customers, even they want to get other cases
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and other money is involved, of course, and we'll give
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you no time.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I definitely could have I could have stepped on a
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: lot of people's throats, for sure. I know forty book
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: makers across the country that are very big and have
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of money and can be exposed, and I
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: would not talk about any of them, and there's some
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: articles that we were talking about earlier that just came out.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Damian the Forbes, who also is in this case, is
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: a great friend of mine. I was gambling with him.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: It's a very known fact that he was a bookmaker,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: and it's very obvious. So I could say that now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: But when and the government comes in and seizes your
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: electronic devices, that's evidence.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: You can say that you don't want to give that up,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: but they have it right, so they're going to use
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: that evidence. If that evidence leads them to other cases.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: If that makes me a rat, then I'm a rat.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: But in reality, I would not give up anybody. Now,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: did I cooperate with the United States government in regards
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: to the Resorts World and the casino, Yes, absolutely, yep,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I did, and I'm guilty of that, and that definitely
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: helped save me from four or five year prison sense.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at fifteen months as of now. It could
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: be less, could be more, who knows. But at the
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: end of the day, yeah, I mean the casinos are
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: they were involved. They understood I was a book maker.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: You know this, You've been going all these casinos knew
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I was a bookmaker. But I'm okay with dealing with
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: what I did wrong, because I did do something in
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: the gray area. Even if I don't agree with the laws,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I knew the law. I knew I was breaking in
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: my first credit line.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Around nineteen ninety nine, I'm at a casino down downtown
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and my buddy said, oh, if you need
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: some money, I'll get you a credit line.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: He's just a player, a big player. And I'm like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: how do you get a credit line? How do you
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: H He's like, oh, no, I want to get you.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Trust me, the host will get you a credit line.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: To this day, I still can't believe what happened. I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: had about four thousand dollars in the bank and I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: had a fifty thousand dollars line in ten minutes. I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: want to tell you something.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I really didn't have a job, and that still happened today.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Though now I think, believe it or not, he probably
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't realize this. I think his case is instrumental why
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: it can't happen today, Why it can't why it cannot
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: happen today.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: But there's no question of that fifty thousand dollars line.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I went to other casinos and opened up lines of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: credit based on me borrowing and paying back. Oh, this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: guy's good central credit. They never checked to see if,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: like I had a job of money in the bank.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And now it happened after they checked a little bit
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: of course and say, hey Bill, you have to get
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the fifty thousand of an account to cover your line.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Win was real strict with that. But I cannot believe
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: what happened back then.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: That's how I got casino credit everywhere was because one
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: host put it in for me and got it pushed
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: through credit. Right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, no one checked anything. I had it
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the same day.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Now the KYC laws, which is know your customer laws
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: are casinos are really enforcing that, And I have to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: tell you, I think your case is instrumental and then forcing.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: That Now there's no question I casino host.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Doesn't want to go to a player and say, hey,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you know that twenty five thousand you got. They want
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: to know where you got it from, though, And that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: just happened in Atlantic City at the hard Rock for
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine. He literally went in and with
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars cash and they wouldn't let him go
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: over ten unless he had had to prove everything. Yeah,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: they had his idea, they had his stuff on file.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Now they're pushing this kyc low.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: They don't want to do it. No, but I think
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: your case is instrumental in the resources world, the whole thing,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: no doubt.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: In fact, I'll even go as far to say, there
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: was a point where I had probably four hundred thousand
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: dollars in my bank account, and I had eight million
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: dollars in credit lines throughout the country. Here you go,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I had two million dollars at Dominican two million dollars
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: of Bahamas two million dollars here.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, did you have to float.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Markers to pay other ones? Oh?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: For sure. So you have to juggle marker, You have
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to take money and now you have to hope the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: cash them out to pay the other casino.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you a real quick story.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I went to I took my children to Panama, Dominican Republic,
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Bahamas and Foxwoods, all on private jets in about three
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: week period. I owed money at the first casino two
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: million dollars. So I took a marker from here, one
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: paid this, one, went to this, one paid this one
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: lost here, just shuffled the whole markers and all four trips,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: and I walked out of there with a free trip
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: to all four spots.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I have pictures of it. My kids went to Panama.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: You remember Panama? Did you ever go to there?
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: There?
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: It's closed, now it's closed. I beat them for four
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: point four million. Wow. Yeah, that's yeah. Bakra al Bakara,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: always Bakara.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I played black check there, but they I got
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: caught counting, so they shut me off. Right Then I
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: beat h Cosmo, Bill McBath shut me off five point
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: something million.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: But then I've you know, don't get me wrong, I've
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: lost it many other ones like Palazzo, I lost over
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: three million.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Resorts were thirteen.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: But my point is I was juggling all of that,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: and you know this, if you work a good deal,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: which is why I was the only one you I
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: think you know, only wanted to get my wife as
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: a licensed casino host.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: I pulled that off. That was a smart move, a
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: little late in game.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: In the rep instead of casino host, his wife wound
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: up being the rep because they get a percentage of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the THEO of the customer, or.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: Or came like an independent host.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, she got license an independent rep and you
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: know when we would bring my entourage, let's call it
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: to Vegas, she would make a commission of thirty to
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, whether I want or alt on
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: top of your getting a rebate, that's correct, right, So
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a twenty percent discount. Yep, she's getting her commission.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And then, of course I'm negotiating just like you did.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Bill.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Sure, I want gift cards, I want Louise you see
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: some of the liquor here in my house, or you know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: I want this Chanel purse for my.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Wife, or this watch. You negotiate everything.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was king of that because I knew
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: that they wanted the high end business. And let's be honest,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: over time, I'm going to lose anyway, so why not
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: negotiate the best deal. Sure, as a degenerate, I'm going
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: to put in the THEO I'm gonna put in the time.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: So that's the only way I could even out the
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: odds as best I could, because, as you know, you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: going to get cut off playing you know, sharp stuff
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: or counting cards in blackchack.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Sure, So let's go to that date. I think it
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: was October fifth, twenty twenty three.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: So let's go to that date. Now you're I've seen
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: on your on your Instagram.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: We got ten million hits on the Instagram saying that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you guys were somewhere smiling, right, and then when you
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: got home everything changed for you.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that particular weekend, if you go back and look,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: I think it was October third. I was in Dallas
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Cowboys game stadium. We took two jets from Resorts World.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: There was sixteen of us. We flew to the stadium.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: They bought a suite. I bet eight hundred thousand on
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: the game. I won on the Cowboys beat their shit
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: out of the Raiders, and I was down a million
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: five at the Resorts World. We came back that night.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I took the eight hundred thousand and one. I wanted
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: it all back. So I ended up winning that trip,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: which I never beat that place by the way ever.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: And we flew home on my day. And then two
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: days later, the FBI came and raided my home. Twenty
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: nine agents and a dog. Six in the morning, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: it was nine thirty three am. I'll never forget. I
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: was putting my son in the g wagon and I
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: heard FBI freeze and I look over and ate red
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: dots on my chest.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Who god, yeah, aar rifles full.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: They're gonna right here to book right right right, rude driveway.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: We're gonna shoot a bookmaker.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: They definitely came prepared. Wow, I mean, and you're incomplete.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: You got his little kid there?
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: No, I had my son, he's two years old. And
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: of course they didn't cuff me because I was holding
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: my son. And then they put me on the other
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: side of the driveway. And then they barged in through
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: here twenty and got she got my wife, cuffed her.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: She was laying on the floor crying. And then I
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: had a handyman painting and they cuffed him and brought
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: him out.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: The cuffed the handyman. Yeah, wow yeah. And did they
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: what did they taken here? Did they get it? Money?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Did they get can?
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: About two seventy in cash, gold, coins of casino chips, jewelry,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: about thirty handbags.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: You know, is it like the movies where they just
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: turned the house upside down?
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: It really is, it really is.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Did they know where to go? Did you have like
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: secret money stash? I saved them.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: I did not.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I opened everything. I cooperated completely operated show. I knew
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: they're going to find it, so why make it hard?
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: They just rip open your stuff more, right, And they're
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: just doing their job at the end of the day,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Like you know, I didn't sign up through be an
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: FBI agent, so I can't be mad at eating for
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: that's their job, and I understand. So I tried to
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: be kind to them. Because they're going to do their job,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: you might as well make it easier on them. Right,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: they're going to find everything in your house. What's going
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: through your mind at that point? Are you sitting there going,
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: oh my god, like my life is just completely over.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I was rated in twenty fourteen by the FEDS. Oh wow, Yeah,
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: and that was a little different experience. It was like
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: fourteen of them, and they took the money. I signed
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: over an abandonment form which states that I committed a crime.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: I'm admitting I committed the crime, but I won't be
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: charged for it as long as they release the money
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: and I don't hire an attorney, so to be honest,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: my mistake at that point was thirty nine years old old,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: father of four, greedy, love gambling, love sports. I'll just
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: build a bigger business it's kind of like, you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: you don't learn a lesson from that, I guess, I mean,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: that's that's that's the message here. I should have walked away.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: I had an opportunity to do something else, but I
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: just built a bigger business. Sure, and when they came
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: back this time, it was much harsher.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: And you know, in the end, you know, I've been
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: on those private jets. I've been on maybe ten in
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: my life, going down with a bunch of big gamblers
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: In the end, that's the stuff you miss.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: You missed a lifestyle, a lifestyle, or it's so cool
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: having great dinners and great it's something that you've probably
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: been on hundreds of these jets and and the the
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: big parties and maybe even five ten thousand dollars dinners
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: and stuff being part of them.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: The worst bill.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: So my son, you guys saw my son. He's four now,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: he was two when I got raided, and he's been
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: on forty four private jet flights in two years.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Forty four.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: So we were going every two weeks right right, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: then you know, I would bring my nanny, would bring everybody.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: I'd bring my whole an traage because I'm a family guy.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, I love my kids,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: of course, So it set up me going out there
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: and leaving my family at home.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: I said, you know, I'll bring them to my office. Right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: So that being said, we've probably been on I don't know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: five hundred jets we had in Dominican. I don't know
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: if you were there for this trip. We had a
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: private concert with Andrea Bacelli. Wow, meet and greet my
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: wife and I literally front row seventeen of us. You know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: we've been to Blake Shelton backstage. I mean, I played
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: golf with Charles Barkley, Travis Kelce and the American Century Championship.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I put a picture in my book. It's a receipt
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: to talk about dinners. Guiso Va, a fifteen thousand dollars dinner.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: It's just at dinner, yeah, Caesars.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: And I put that in there as a point because
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: you're right, like, people are going to watch this, so
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: they're going to judge me for you know, living the lifestyle,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: being greedy and all that. That's true, but when you
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: taste it, as you said, it's really hard to walk
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: away from. Because I did have a thirty nine years
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: old at an opportunity to walk away, and I chose
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to continue, you know that, chase the dragon and feed
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: the dopamine rush. And you're right, caviar, Like, I'll be
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: sitting here literally, just to give an example before two
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: years ago, and I'm like, I'm kind of bored. Text
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: my wife, Hey, let's go to Vegas. We'll talk about
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: it when we can get home. Right, Yes, she knows, right,
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: so get home. I'm like, let's just let's just go.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: So I would get online and send an email to
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Resorts World negotiate the trip. They'd up a plane here
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: in four hours. We would just get in our car
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: and drive to the private jet and jump on it.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: And I'd be in Las Vegas fucking three hours later,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: gambling my balls off, and there would be caviare on
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: the plane. And obviously we get there that you know,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: you've been to those villas or twelve thousand squares, a
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: pool and a butler. The butler's knew us. They'd have
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: my crib waiting for my son. All this formula. I mean,
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: the service is peccable, and those things are hard to
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: get away from.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: It's like a drug, you know.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And one thing I know about you that you don't know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I know you were triple George to everybody.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So what that means is he's taking care of everybody.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I definitely tip overtaking care of from some of the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: butlers and stuff and some of the people just in general.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: We're really nice dealers too.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: Good tippers is the fastest way to crack and burg.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: I know what, I know a lot of them.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people that are really wealthy.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if someone's around, they're gonna tip, right, But
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: like if they're leaving their room when uh, they're not
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: giving five dollars to the maid, but they're yet they're gambling,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty thousand and thirty thousand a hand.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Sure, So I heard that. I'm not you know, just
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: just I heard that, and that's that's I appreciate it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: That makes us said that that what's happening definitely tipped
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: very well.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: And you know, no matter what, people watching this, there's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be haters. Oh for sure, I have haters. Yeah,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be haters, and they're gonna say, ah, he
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: knew I was Otani's that's what.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: They want to believe.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, but I like that you were very open
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: about everything, and you're you are an open book. Speaking
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: of which, now, where can people find your book, which
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: John and I are going to be getting right now?
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Please?
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Where where can we find on my website Matthew Boyer
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: dot com. Okay, that's the easiest way is Amazon, because
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: you'll have it in two days or whatever.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: I wanted to. We were trying to order it once.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: We booked this with you on Monday, but it wasn't
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: gonna arrive to the house till today.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: I was damn And I even I've made fun of
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: any great.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've made fun of Barnes and Noble for years
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, how is it still a Barnes and Noble?
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: And there's one on Charleston down the street from Red Rocket,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: So I told my girlfriend, I'm like, I'm going to
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: run down to that bookstore and I'm like, how funny
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: is this?
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: I've been shitting on Barnes and Noble now here five
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: years and I'm like, I can't wait to go. But
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: they didn't have it yet. Well, because that's different.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: You need a I self publish my book, okay, And
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: I've learned a lot of about that. I've never done
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: this before, but you need like a schul Ser and
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Smith or whatever they're called, like a publishing agency.
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: But that'll pre be my next move.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: My goal now is get my book out myself, get
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: my story out, at least give a narrative of who
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I am as a person, because I'm being judged as
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: a predator for being a book maker. Kind of this
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: the evil side. All the sensationalized news makes me look bad, frankly,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: but I am who I am. Man like, Yeah, you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: judge me, hate me, like you said, always, you're always
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: got haters. At the end of the day, I know
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: who I am, and I'm a good father. I'm a
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: good person. I mean, it's some errors.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, as far as how did you get
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you a book out and I didn't
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: know a couple of days ago. Your book is out.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: You didn't even go to jail yet. The book is out.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Is the book about your life? Story about is the
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: everything in the book? Everything is in the bootle. I
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: mean there's definitely a book two coming, and I'm excited
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like a movie. I mean a movie.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: You know you have some things set up. Can you
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: tell the audience, Well.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, I have a sizzle going with the
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Netflix right now. I'm hoping they pick it up. If
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: they do, they will the doc will be very good. Yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: I think that doc will will be because I'm honest man,
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: So sure, I'll just tell the truth the bad parts too.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Like one thing I do in my book is I
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: don't sugarcoat anything. It's really easy to tell everybody that
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: you know, your body fats four percent and this and that,
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: or your your your caucus a lot bigger.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Than it is.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you just tell
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: the truth. Haters, lovers, whatever, they're going to appreciate the truth.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: So my book tells the truth that when I was
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: broke and borrowing money and put putting myself in bad
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: predicaments and owing bookmakers, I vote bookmakers my whole life too,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: I was one.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: You know, interrupt The shocking most thing about this whole
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: interview to me, I didn't know that he came home
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and lost more money than he had to pay the markers.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I know, and multiple times, so many times you were
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: really I'm a DJ, you were a degenerator.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, there's no no, doubt about it.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, I see that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I come here and we pull up to
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: this beautiful house in private drive and cascading waterfalls, unbelievable property.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: And you didn't matter because you were still gambled to
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a level above your head.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no question if you're going every two or three
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: weeks and you don't have an edge, because I really
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: don't sure. I mean, yeah, I negotiate a good deal,
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: had no edge. You gamble that high that often, how
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: could you even survive? Like you you know, obviously had
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: a great business to back it up, right, But the
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: reality is to gamble like no guy in the country
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: unless you're a select liberty or filthy rich can do that.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: You can't afford it. But I did it for twenty years.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: At your peak, how much were you making a month million?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Five?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean mostly due to Otani money, of course,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: but even without that, I was doing very well because
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: I had, you know, twelve hundred clients, and believe me,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: I had guys who are betting one hundred thousand a game.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: It wasn't you know, but the o Tawi situation was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: one hundred thousand a game, and he was betting thirty
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: five forty bets a day, if not more.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: You know, that was something I was going to ask you.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: Was the six sixteen million you said you made around there? Yeah?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Who's this next closest guy? Just to put it into perspective,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I had a guy lose nine nine million, Yeah in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: what timespan?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: A year? A year? Yeah?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Obviously I gave him a huge discount, and.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I represented And I was friends with a lot of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: pro athletes and when they retire that all of them
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: have the same story, which is the phone doesn't ring
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: as much and people don't take your calls as much
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: when you retire and you're not supplying tickets to them anymore,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: or you don't have the money is not flowing like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: it used to, so.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: You're not the source of bill you out loans anymore. Uh,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: they don't. They don't call as much. Is it similar
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: for you, like with what you've gone through now you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: had an entourage with you.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I've had some Stage five clingers that are
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: no longer cleaning, no question, But I love that I've learned. Right,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: I misread this guy. He's not quite the loyal friend
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: I thought he was so it's all good, you know,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: like when you learn from these moments, you actually learn
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: more about yourself. And I just now I've learned to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: look in the mirror and say, okay, it's on me.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Like if I can't read who I'm dealing with as
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: who's truly my friend better, then I blame myself.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Have you had some the reverse though, like triple down
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: on support? Yeah, more of that.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Actually, that's really more of ITOD for truly and you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: know it's.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: Fun, which is not surprising just from you.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: I've known you now an hour or whatever it is,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: and uh, I could tell from your from his Instagram.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: I am sure you know the kind of person you all.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: I actually want that because we all know that social
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: media is mostly fake. You know, it's people you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: fluffing their life and their marriage and they they're out
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: cheating or whatever.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: Mine is not.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: I don't cheat on my wife. And more importantly, I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: tell the truth. I mean, my feeling of my social
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: media is not all positive. It's me going through hell.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: You know, I could fluff everything. I just put a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: private jet.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm flying and sure money and all that.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: I don't do that.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: I just talk about the hell I'm going through and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: I will do that the rest of my life, good, bad,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: and indifferent, because I do believe if you're going to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: in my case, I'm not selling anything at least not yet.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Well I'm selling a book, but I prefer just to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: be honest and tell the truth because it sets you free.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm okay with whoever accepts me for who I am.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: Now I know they accept me for truly who I am,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: whether I have money or not. And I will make
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: more money in the next ten years that I've made
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: in my whole life.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: I have no doubt of that.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about the family stuff a little bit.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Like so this is a you know, like you said,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: he's going to be haters, right, And when you're throwing
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: around you're talking about fancy cars and these strips to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Vegas and private jets, people forget you are human.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: It's a weird thing. It's like they some love it,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: like we love it. We all love you know.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: It's like there's obviously a huge audience that like wow, sure, right,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: and then there's the haters that forget you're You're going
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: to be away from your wife for sure, your son
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: for fifteen months. That may not sound like you know, listen,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: I got arrested for a failure to appear on a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: tinted Windows ticket ten years ago or so, maybe more,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: and I was in jail for four hours. Yeah, it
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: long felt like eternity. I don't think people realize, how
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: if I'm.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Not trying to rain on your own radar right now?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: Pay owning it? Fifteen months, man, that's a long time.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: This is a long time.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: And listen, here's the other problem. Never mind the fact
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: that I lose my liberty. That sucks, right, being stuck
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: somewhere where you can't go anywhere is bad enough, but
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: just being not a father, missing moments with my My
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: son came to me two days ago. He put on
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: his t Rex costume and we just got it, you know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: in the mail or what Amazon, and he put it on.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Daddy, Yeah, I look at this.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: I said, that's awesome. He's like, are you going to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: be a t Rex for hellomen? And then my wife
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: looked at me and I'm like, oh, I'm not going
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: to be here for Halloween.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: That was rough.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: That was like a moment of like wow, yeah, that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: was hard hit so like she started to cry and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I was like, fuck, you know, that's that's on me.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: My job as a father is provide and protect, and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: I'm failing to do that. So if I've failed in
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: anything in my life, this is the first moment of failure,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: the true failure.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: She seems like she's dealing with it. She is.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Three of us just showed up with cameras and lights,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: and I can feel you're both the rock.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's amazing. She she's not a fan of this. Yeah,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: she's more private than I ever am. I'm an open book,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: like to the point where she hates that. But I've
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: gotten her to lean into the fire.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I don't mean I'm talking about being open. Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: She's always been strong, but now I'm like, she doesn't
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: like having our life out there for.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: The whole world. But I told her, I said, we
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: really have no choice. Yeah, and this is making lemonade
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: out of lemons, that's correct. Yeah, long term, you're playing
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: the long game right now, I am man, And honestly,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: it's actually feels good. Yeah, because I could at least
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: say somewhat of a narrative of the truth of what's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: really going on, and they can judge me for whatever
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: it is, but at least I know this is the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: real me, and again I own it like I fucked up, right.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I could have been a doctor. I could have
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: been so many other things. I'm very talented guy. So
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: I tell my kids, I chose something in the gray area.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Whether I agree with the laws or not, different conversation,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: But I chose something in the gray area. You got
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: a sixteen year old kid who loves sports and loves gambling,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: So that was my passion. So if I can make
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: money in my passion, then it's really hard to walk
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: away from that. So I want my children to do
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: something that they're passionate about because we spend so much
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: time working.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: The problem is, I could have chose something else I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: was passionate about that was legal, and never put them
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: through this and myself through this. And that's a mistake
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: I made. That's what I got lived with, and that's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: what I rebound from.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: You know, I have a health related question. Sure, I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: look at you and I'm jealous.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Before we started rolling, I was telling you I was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: working with Gary Bereca and my health and Tenex, and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: now I'm working with the Beverly Hills Rejuvenation Center and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: doctor Arvind and I'm really into peptides and stuff.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: Can I add what are you running? What do you want?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I take everything BP one five seven, human growth hormones, testosterone,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: I take I let's say there's another.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Like Tessa Moorland. Are you on No, you're on actual HGH.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: I am okay, Yeah, I take almost every I switched
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: to peptides.
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  Speaker 5: Yeh. I obviously do my blood work.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Make sure it's healthy. I have a doctor that owns everything.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Fifty Yeah, I turned fifty. And the stress I've been
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: under my whole life, yeah, is crazy. I was a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: commodity trader for eleven years and that was bananas.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: I was gambling legally and the exposure I was doing
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: there was almost as bad as the thinking.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I try to stay healthy. My wife is
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: really healthy. We very clean.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we work out and even through all this.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: So in my last eighteen months, as you know, i'd
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: been kind of stressful. I've gone through a lot of stuff.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Business why, I told you a little bit before, and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: I fell off a little bit and I gained like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: twenty pounds back thirty five.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: That a loss in pizza and it's just your stress.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say that to you. You look ae
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't look I don't know what you look like before,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: but it looks like you've stayed on the course.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: How have you been able to do that?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: I mean luckily, I own a jiu jitsu studio, which
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: I've been really pretty bad about going. I've been going
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: like once a week and you should be going at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: least three four times.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: But I do other stuff.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I'm always active, and in truth, I just I cold
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: plunge every day, and then I use my infrarets on
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: on which I have here in my house, which helps.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: But those are like my moments to like kind of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: live in my mind and realize the shit I'm under
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: and kind of have like a moment of like wow,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: and that those things really helped me, along with eating
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: clean and then just trying to obviously work out because
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: my body fat I just did the other day is
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: nine point six percent and I'm fifty, but about eight
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: years ago I was down to four point four when
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: I was like extreme crazy about it.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: That sounds like two lean though that's hard to keep.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: I was like, it was all I cared about, you know,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: getting you know, where you eat portions.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're going away in a.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: Couple of weeks, I go probably, I'd say October first. Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: so you're gonna go on.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Ok, Okay, you're gonna go to October Like what what?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: What kind of food you're gonna get in there?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, shit, yeah, I've heard this.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Are you still the workout and stuff?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: And yeah? I mean no, you're gonna be to lose weight.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: You're gonna be.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Real popular in there. We decided that. I'm sure you're
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: gonna be real popular people. They love to gamble, they're.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Going ask you about every stories, your stories, you're gonna be. Yeah,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: You're you're gonna be real popular.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: I think, honestly, I'm not worried about prison at all.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: I'm more worried about just again being away from my family.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Like going to prison is whatever. I mean, truly, I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: don't I don't think it's really rehabilitating for me as
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: a human being. But I will use the opportunity to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: strengthen my mind clearly, you know. I'll work out a
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: time there's nothing else to do, right, and then if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: I could improve my mind in any way educational wise,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: I will.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: I've grown so much in the last two years. I'll
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: be honest with you.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: Before this happened, I was getting kind of stagnant because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: I had this amazing business and it was so easy,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: and I ran it so efficiently that all I did
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: was like gamble and screw around. I wasn't really challenging
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: my brain. And now I've never done social media or
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: any of this stuff. So I had to go learn
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: what a Google drive was and things that I don't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: even use. And I'm like, wow, I kind of you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: went backwards. Yeah, so now I'm like, you know, it's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: simple stuff. But the point is, you know, I'm actually
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: getting more savvy and things I would never even used,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: But we're going to get your books. Last to close
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: with what the name of your book and where we
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: can get it, like an Amazon.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah Amazon Recalibrate re Calibrate by Matthew Boyer with one
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: T then go to my obviously Instagram Matthew boy five.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: You have great socials. Thank you.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Well, you guys do too, and I'm happy to collaborate.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: This was a fantastic interview. We came out here for John.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: It's like we got to get out there, so we
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: came out here. And it's really nice for you to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: open your house and yourself, tell us everything you told us,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: and we wish you well. Not when you're out, We're
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: going to do another interview with you.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: I would love. That is crazy to me to think,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, I get it, you broke the law, like
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: It's but you know, John's saying, like a lot of man,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: what's what's happening?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: We have conditioned society of all the big sports books.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Now how fun it is and the people are Every
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: college in America has a gambling problem.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Actually, to touch on that, that's the biggest new I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: would call it epidemic.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: That's totally it's the new opioid epidemic. It really is gambling.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: But however it's done privately, it's done on your phone.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: It's closet gambling. Yes, no one knows that alcohol, drugs, you.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: Know, you see it, you see it. I spoke about
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: that on a what do you call it? Addiction podcast?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: I mean if you or I had a million dollars
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: on a soccer game and that's going on right now
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: or whatever, we wouldn't know it. No one would know
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: about us, Yes, and then we could be sitting here
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: even though we're sweating the game, we're not really watching it.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: And then if I'm wasted or from high I mean,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: I'd be slurring my words, I'd be acting, you know,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: a little indifferent.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: So you're right, it's you could closet height everything. I mean,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: it's crazy. There's casinos in how many states now, I mean.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Within a three hour drive of like anybody.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: Almost anywhere.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: It's in sports books now everywhere.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: And to listen, even in this state you said about
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: having like these players that used to play with Matt,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: they're playing on other bookmakers.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Calshi is a big app.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Now you're buying it's a stock market, you're buying contracts.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: It's sports betting right right.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Cal she now is taking over a lot of places
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: in California for sure, So cal Shei's everywhere now. Yeah,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: they were on the Las Vegas Strip during the election,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: big ad taking out the biggest billboards on the famous
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: four Corners, the Flamingo, and the Strip, Tropic Canaan and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: the strip all over the strip cal She adds for
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: the presidential election, I think they had a.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: Problem because they had the super Bowl up too, because
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: they didn't have a spread and that's the rule or
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: whatever what they put who would win or lose. In
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: this case, the super Bowl spread was really nothing, So
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: they got in trouble with the Vegas gets.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: A little bit, a little bit of trouble, but they're
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: growing at an all time rate.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that's sports betting, of course it is.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: I forgot one thing I wanted to bring up. The
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: prop betting has gotten so big. Sure, what do you
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: think is going to happen? Like, I don't even I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: don't remember the picture, but I'm sure you saw it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: The bounce ball. Yeah, the first pitch, what's gonna happen?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's only going to get worse? It's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: only going to get worse. Yeah, I mean, listen, they're smart.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: I mean you have to give them credit to throw something.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: That's the best way to do it because you're not
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: really affecting the outcome.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Of a game.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: You're just one pitch, one pitch, and you're gonna throw
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: several balls throughout.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Your your peers. So that was brilliant.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: But the problem is the brilliancy is never going to
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: work anyway because in a prop bet, Bill knows this
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: better than anyone. When there's a large bet on a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: prop bet, yeah, that's an investigation.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: You can't even get down that much.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah time now, So the reality is to throw a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: game and not actually get away with it. It's going
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: to have to be a real game, and that's going
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: to be very difficult. And then it's people talk. There's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: too many cameras everywhere and too many people with big mouse.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: They're gonna get caught.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: How about all these leagues though, now that the commissioners
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: were against gambling, right and NFL, NBA and hockey hockey
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: was the first one to take it in. They were
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: against gambling, and you know, only twenty percent of people
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: bet sports. Now they welcome it every stadium. You go
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: to Yankee Stadium, left field, center field, right field, three
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Offita sports books. Seven year old Johnny Boys says, Daddy,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: what's that at to gamble on happen?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: That you know, they're they're literally teaching them at a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: young age. It's everywhere now the sports books are in
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: bed with the leagues. The leagues are making money. Of course,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: they're giant money. You see the retired athletes are now
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: the advertisers, Bronk and stuff. Kevin, you see all these
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: guys are they're actually advertising for this. It's it's it's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: it's listen. A lot of things try to get swept
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: under the rug. I'm a gambler. I make money from gambling.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, an advantage gambler. I do advantage gambling things.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: But I still talk about the we're responsible gambling aspect.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I try to teach people that, you know, parlays are bad.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: This is sixty percent of the profits of parlays. Kids
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: want to make, you know, a dollar into one hundred
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: thousand because that is the ad they see on Twitter
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and Instagram. Hey look what you could do for a dollar.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: They put that out there. These kids are dreaming, starry
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: ar dreamers. It's it's only going to get worse. And
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I try to help.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: They are sucking.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: And I want to say this, like, I got a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: ton of hate on my Instagram, especially on that one
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: video that when viral of ten million views. You're this predator,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: you prey on people's gambling addictions and all these things.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: But the really and part of that's true.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: Sadly, I did have some people that bet with me
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: that got out of control or whatever, just like I did.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: But most of my customers, most of them truly would
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: want it. To write a letter to my judge and say,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: this guy, I've dealt with them for twenty years, he's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: a personal friend. Now I bet with him, Yes, but
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: it was entertainment. It was something I really wanted. Doesn't
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: make it right, but I just want you to know
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: I said, don't bother, it's not going.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: To help me.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: But my point is, like I had relationships with most
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: of my customers, or my agents did with the customers.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: Like it wasn't like we were going around with the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: advertising science. They came to us to bet, like yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: and they're going to make the bets regardless. It's like
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: someone for having a shop that sells cigarettes, yes, saying
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: you're you're giving them cancer, Like they're going to go
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: buy the cigarettes regardless, Like, well, do you blame you know,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Budweiser because someone's an alcoholic. I mean, yeah, they gave
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: them the beer, but did they walk into their house
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: and hand it to him. They would have bought a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: corona instead. It doesn't matter, it's the person. Yeah, it
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: has to be accountable for their actions, including me, which
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: is why I'm going to prison. I'm not happy about it.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not, you know, thrilled, But I did the crime.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: I'm doing the time, and that's it.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: Let's lend. Let's end on this one. Okay.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Bill loves his restaurants. He loves he's been He's making
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: a name for himself online with top fives, Top five
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: pools in Vegas, Top five restaurants. Let's fast forward fifteen months.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Sure you're coming to Vegas for a weekend, a long weekend.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Five restaurants you are going to be thinking about that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: you can't wait to get back.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Into I guess or here either or where's your top five?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: Give us? Give us top five?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: If you guys like sushi, Yeah, I have a sushi
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: place in Tustin, California that's a hole in the wall
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: that's the best in the world that I've ever found.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: Truly, It's called Sushi Wabi. I eat there.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: I don't think there every day anymore because it's said,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: but I'm watching my money.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: But wow, it's fantastic.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: Japanese owners there, they're sweethearts. The husband's the cook, and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: obviously his wife is the waitress. And you walk in there,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: it's a hole in the wall. Not even touch it.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: It's it's amazing and it's all a macasse. Can't order
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: a roll. I don't even make rolls. It's real sushi.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite. If I were to die, that's my
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: last meet Wow, truly, But in Vegas?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: What do you in Vegas?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: I like you guys will laugh.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: I like Geese of VA and not because I usually
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: don't like French restaurants because it's like portions a joke, right,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: big portions, but I just order eight million things. But sure,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: and because I don't didn't care about the price. But
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: I like that restaurant's really cool experience.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: But as far as real food, I mean, obviously I've
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: been everywhere in Las Vegas that there's.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: No nothing stands out honestly. Steakhouse.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a pig, so I like everything, right, Steakhouse,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to It's sad because I haven't been to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Vegas in over two years.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: It was in two years long stretch.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Ever my far, I mean, I'm close, and I miss it,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: you know, I miss the dopamine rush of walking in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: that town is kind of like a celebrity. I mean,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: like I have an ego, you know, like I like
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: to walk in a place and feel like I'm somebody,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: you know, don't I do?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: Thank God?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: You know, they treat you like gold. Whether it's fake
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: or not doesn't matter. Fake of course, good point, but
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest. Resorts worlds restaurants are not my favorite,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: so definitely wouldn't be there trying. You know, Palazzo has
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: some amazing restaurants. What's that, Matt thirty two? Yeah, that's fantastic.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: That is really good.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: I would put that so good. And you know what's
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: funny is I love what's the Greek place? Milos?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: I love me?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: I love Melos Cosmo. Right, And that's a chain.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: Usually a chain is not the best restaurant, yes, but
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: those are the ones I would.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: Go through all the time.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: So I can't give you like this is the one
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: other than sushi with sabi. And while you guys are here,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: you should go there. It's intestin.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's this has been great. Yeah, man, thank you
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: so much. We really are touched by this too.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: You know, John and I really don't know here we're
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: saying how how bad this is because you know, we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: we we know what it is to gamble. We are
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: bet sports, even though we don't bet with the legal bookmakers,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: but still we know what it is to bet. You're
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: just people just betting sports. Pay you, by the way,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: let's close with this. This man paid his restitution paid.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Most people have to get bills. Would you pay him one.
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  Speaker 5: Point one point six and change?
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  Speaker 2: They have that already, it's done. He took that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, take him.
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  Speaker 3: Take a man away from his wife and and fifteen
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  Speaker 3: months for doing something that happened.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get hate for saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Now every single day in the city we live in
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  Speaker 3: all day South Point, you can do it twenty four
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  Speaker 3: hours a day.
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  Speaker 5: You can make bets on sports.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna put this guy away, and somehow the
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  Speaker 3: world is a better place, safer places nuts.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I agree exadly, but you know, I will
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  Speaker 4: tell you guys, there's there's a part of me that
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  Speaker 4: is like.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: It's just part of the story. That's just going to
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  Speaker 5: make me that much stronger.
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  Speaker 4: So when I come out of this thing and I'm
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: on stages doing you know, public speaking, and it adds
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: more grit to my story.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, that's the worst thing I want to do,
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  Speaker 5: is go away from my family.
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  Speaker 4: But it does allow me to sit on a stage
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  Speaker 4: and look at someone and say, look, I've been through
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  Speaker 4: hell like this is what I faced and this is
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  Speaker 4: where I'm at now, and I promise you I'll make
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  Speaker 4: more money than ever had. Never mind the money. I
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  Speaker 4: will actually do something where two people win. Every business
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: I've been in, commodities win, they have to lose, bookmaking,
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  Speaker 4: I have to win for them to lose.
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  Speaker 5: Now it's win. When and the first time in my
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  Speaker 5: life and I give to somebody and I get paid
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  Speaker 5: for it. How good is that feeling?
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  Speaker 2: That's great? Where everybody went that, Yeah, man, thank you
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  Speaker 2: really much.
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  Speaker 5: You're a good man.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you really appreciate a great interview. Guys, We'll see
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  Speaker 1: you next week on WI Scratch.