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Eric Leclerc & Alex Boyer!! #210 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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  oh yeah ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 210 of the magic guys to my
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  left we've got big boy nick k guess who's being nominated for fitherm oh yeah
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  and i'm josh norbedo doug con is on the road right now,
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  moving his life to Vegas. He's got some cats in the car.
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  What's that song? Cats in the cradle in this? I don't know, but you know what I'm saying?
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  And I'm excited to be here. This is the podcast where we talk about our lives
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  as professional magicians, share the shenanigans that go with it,
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  and also have incredible guests as well.
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  Now, Nick just brought up that your boys got nominated.
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  Nick, what's going on here?
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  Believe it or not, we magic guys have been nominated for
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  an online award for the best podcast we
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  are super excited about this we were told about this a short
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  while ago we weren't allowed to announce it until today's episode so
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  we're super stoked about it and we're honored to be nominated whoever actually
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  did the nomination for us now if you are aware we have links on how to be able
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  to vote for us please do it would be super cool to be able to say that we are
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  a fism award-winning podcast so we can keep bringing you awesome guests like the one we have on today.
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  I don't want to muff around anymore. I want to jump straight into it because
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  we're not only do we have today's guest, we have a special guest, two superstars.
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  Yeah, we're doing two weeks in one go.
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  Exactly. Now, friends, our guest today is one of my personal favorites and I've
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  never actually met him before.
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  And I had to fanboy all this energy out of me before he came on board.
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  He has performed across the planet.
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  He's been a part of the Disney Plus range. start performing tricks he's been
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  on brain games he's done big trick energy to my knowledge he's performed for
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  travis barker and even one of my personal favorite rappers called t-pain,
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  as well as that amazing talent we have another super
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  special guest so please join me in welcoming mr eric leclerc and alex boyner I'll see you next time.
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  Music.
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  Eric, it's not polite to speak with your mouth, little Eric.
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  Oh, sorry, guys. Sorry, are you live?
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  We're live now. I told you you had five minutes. What is going on here? Skip up.
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  Hey, what's up? That's business. This is a nominated podcast, people.
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  I can see everyone in the chat right now. Just so surprised that Alex is on
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  here as well. And look. Yep. What a pleasure, guys.
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  Firstly, what has brought you two together in the same hotel?
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  What is happening in life right now?
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  Same hotel, one bed. I don't know what to do. Love, love.
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  We're actually on tour right now. We're touring. We're doing 65 high schools in 60 days.
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  So exciting. Yeah. We had two shows today. Yeah. Went great. Killed it. Damn. Yeah.
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  You're living the life. We're living the life. Eric is doing four shows this
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  Friday in one day. Yeah. Four tips. Yeah.
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  You're trying to catch up to Copperfield. That's right. Yeah.
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  It's so crazy that he still performs three shows a night, huh? That's right.
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  Yeah. Oh, man. You guys are doing a show together?
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  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We go back and forth.
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  In French or English? It is in French. It is in French, French Ontario.
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  And yeah, we go back and forth. We have a lot of fun. It's so fun.
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  It's so, it's laid back. Actually, we forgot yesterday.
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  It's the second leg right now of the tour. And we were eating dinner.
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  And we forgot. I realized I forgot one of the cases. My main cases with all
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  the tech gear. All the wires.
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  Everything. The power cords. The patch cords.
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  Everything. And I'm eating. I'm eating. And I'm like, buddy, I think I forgot.
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  We went in the van. We saw it wasn't there. We're like five hours away from home.
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  So we did the first show this morning. Yeah. Between shows, we went to...
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  I'm so white I look white I'm like White as much bark You're fat Yeah.
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  Well you know The camera The camera adds 10 pounds Yeah That's right,
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  Yeah so we went We did the first show this morning And we show up And they had
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  their own Like It was a professional high school Like they had a stage All the
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  lights were set up The sound was set up The mics were set up So we're really
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  lucky Yeah We were blessed We were blessed Very nice work Who's Who's the most
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  popular Out of the two of you With the teenagers Yeah,
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  With the teenagers? Like at the high school? Yeah.
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  Is that a favorite? You're noticing? Maybe, yeah. Different reasons though, you know?
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  Like he did like how many hundreds of shows he did in high school? Right.
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  It's my... Me, it's more about like online magic and stuff, you know? Like collabs I did.
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  So, but it's a good mix. It's a good mix. Yeah, it's a good mix.
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  It's fun. Well, I have a question about that because you guys are both amazing entities.
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  Singularly, you know? You guys can stand on your own 100% and be absolute superstars,
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  yet you guys are always constantly in this collab between each other with big
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  trick energy and so forth.
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  Do you find that there's strength in numbers or is it hindering at times?
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  What are the benefits versus doing it by yourself and as a group or as a pair? Companionship.
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  On the road for two months is long. Oh, yeah.
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  I don't know who else I would be able to blow if I was not with Alex. yeah,
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  oh my god that's some facts,
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  there's disadvantages and different you know energy levels and then yeah we
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  create a lot on the road yeah,
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  that's great talk about you know like we both are deeply into magic like that's
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  the only thing we know you know that and party you know.
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  Well with all the people you've worked with who's the
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  one that you're sort of like we have a term here
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  we call it dunlop so we have one person who's just kind
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  of useless but they're just kind of like a spare tire so we call him
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  dunlop and it's like oh good job dunlop now that everything's done right with
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  us or whatever like out of all the people you work with who would you give the
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  title of dunlop to oh wow that's a tough question yeah weird question basically right what's that,
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  who do we hate basically right no no we love
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  who we work with but there's always one person that kind of drags their
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  feet like if you were in a band it'd be like the drummer the
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  drummer's always the last one there you think both of us we've
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  been fortunate enough to like work with our friends you
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  know that's that's one of the like probably
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  the coolest part of uh oh i know i know somebody that i know
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  i'm gonna call out my old sound technician
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  nick who's now dead of throat cancer but.
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  Yes it's true but he'd like to kick
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  his feet a lot and he's not alive to hear me say it so fuck you
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  nick yeah do you know how he died like this no he
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  did he didn't really pass away love you buddy but yeah he was
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  he was always smoked so much cannabis oh
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  yeah man that i've never met anybody hence the throat cancer but
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  i've never met anybody who who smoked as much cannabis
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  as nick but yeah buddy so nice to start the
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  podcast off on a happy note great and now
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  to blackpool so you you were just
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  over there like what that like
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  so from australia you know we're living vicariously through.
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  All the instagram stories and the vlogs and whatever and i
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  see your post up there going yo i'm going over there like
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  and and you emceed an event but like what
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  the hell happened like so i can live through you what what
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  the heck happened in blackpool you mean
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  like our experience oh yeah so
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  that's probably a vague question so first of all yeah what
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  was it like going there to because i guess when
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  you're hosting you're also doing bits right you're performing yeah
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  so it was my third it was your third time yeah it
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  was my third time as well we the first time i
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  lectured and then the second
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  time i just attended with the big chick energy guys and then this
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  time they asked me to host the biggest
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  competition in magic which is called the one which is
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  a 30 000 pound first prize which is
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  whoa a lot of money and and
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  lecture again two lectures and hosting that so i love i'm seeing is like is
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  my thing i love it so much it's one of the best gigs for me is i'm seeing a
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  little show little walk around magic is like they get everything they get you
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  know all of all of me and it was it didn't go how i thought it would go.
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  Even though It was my first time Performing in the UK Besides a lecture I,
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  Yeah, I don't think I've been in front of UK audiences.
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  And I knew I knew this thing about British humor, you know, they have there's
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  different the British humor, the dry wit, whatever.
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  And I was like, I didn't think twice. I did not think twice about it.
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  I was just like, I'm just gonna go. I know I'm funny. I'm gonna go up. I do this for a living.
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  You know, I'm a professional MC, man.
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  And then there's, there's always the thing with magicians, right?
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  When there's magicians, when you're performing for magicians,
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  it's so awkward. where no matter if it's a lecture or a talk or at a magic club
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  or what, it's just so weird.
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  There's such a weird like ego or like, you know, like make us,
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  you know, we know I know this trick or like, just like, we're like,
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  Oh, that's not yours or that's not original or whatever.
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  And, and the hue and then add that with the British humor didn't go very well.
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  I had, I was hosting the competition where 2,500 magicians twice in the,
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  in the winter gardens. Right.
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  And listen, The people of our age loved it. Yeah.
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  It was funny. I, you know, for me, it was funny. It was different.
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  It was different, but it wasn't different for American audiences.
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  No, American audience, even Australian, like everywhere in the world,
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  people who aren't over 70 years old.
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  I like that. The old folks were like, what?
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  Oh, yeah. They did not like it. But Blackpool is all, you know,
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  it's like 80% people over like 70, 65, you know, and that.
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  No, you did a great job. We killed it. Yeah, I think I crushed it.
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  We got Daniel here in the chat saying, yeah, he thought you did a great job. Dan Mays, shout out.
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  Really enjoyed your act laughing the whole way through, you know.
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  Thank you. But yeah, it was like I was not getting laughs where I thought I would be.
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  And I was getting laughs where I didn't. I was just saying things,
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  normal things, like corny things. And they were losing it.
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  And I was like, okay. You know what? One of the things that struck me was like
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  when you did your lecture and you were like showing a trick. After the hosting.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. After all that, he was like showing a trick.
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  Great trick. Great effect. And all the magicians were like this.
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  And he said, and he like, he basically, you know, told the method right after.
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  And everyone was like, oh my God.
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  And it was just like, wait, hold on. You're not uploading in the right time here.
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  Like, and they're just like turned on by method. Yeah.
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  Which is okay yeah which is yeah it's a big it's
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  a big thread in my lecture is that magicians will applaud in
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  the weirdest spots you know sometimes it's so
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  weird it's got to be a risk of doing too many
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  lectures or too many shows for magicians because then you might lose
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  touch of comedy timing like what great
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  point yeah yeah it's and i say i say that at the beginning
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  of my lecture i'm like you guys will applaud at methods
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  that you didn't even like the tricks but now that
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  you know the method you're like oh that's great that's great just because
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  of the the method behind which is wild but it does
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  have its place in you know there is like there is
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  such a thing as making a living off lecturing for magicians or being really
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  good at like david stone which is constantly just bang bang bang bang with the
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  with the funny magician one-liners where it would never work anywhere else but
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  yeah it was a good experience i i i i really it really irked me because i had
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  two chances at it, right?
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  I had a show at six and then at eight, so I could adjust.
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  I was happy with it. But you crushed it. I know, but see, for me,
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  crushing it is everybody going nuts, right? Yeah, for sure.
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  You can't say you crushed it if 80% of the audience was not,
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  Yeah, but we're all sleeping or dead. Yeah, but my saying is,
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  yeah, we have to check pulses.
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  Yeah, the thing is like, somebody out there could have rocked that.
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  That's one thing I've learned is like, you never, never, ever,
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  ever can blame the audience.
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  Because there's a performer out there where it's a comedian,
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  juggler, whatever it is,
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  a basket weaver, whoever it is, could have got the entire audience or,
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  you know, more than 30, 40% on, you know, on their feet or whatever. Yeah.
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  But we were also booked, I think, for like to be the shit disturber of the night
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  too, you know, or the convention. I think they did. They did.
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  To be fair. Yes. To be fair. The organizers did hire me because of my high energy
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  and because of my, I have a difference as well, you know? Yeah.
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  They're like, you can rock the boat, you know, you can, you can ditch Rick Lax and Justin Flop.
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  I had this one line, like every, every time an act would go, I had the beauty.
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  There was like eight acts performing for 30K.
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  So I got to go open and, you know, open and close between eight acts.
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  I had an opener and a closing line. That's 16 bits, right? That's a lot.
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  And every time an act would finish, I would go on and be like,
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  wow, that act was crazier than a Justin Miller Facebook message.
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  We're like, wow, that's more mind-blowing than Joshua Jay and Andy Gladwin's
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  platonic relationship.
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  That was more mind-blowing than Harrison Greenbaum being married to a woman.
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  And people are just like, I don't know. Do you think that's hilarious?
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  Or like, you know, guys, I need you to give me all your energy.
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  Give me as much energy as Justin Flom has put into ruining magic.
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  You know, they're good lines. They're good lines.
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  But anyways, so it was fun There's maybe some talks Maybe some talks of Maybe
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  returning, maybe I can't say, I can't say I can't say,
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  yeah i'd love to it was and blackpool just in general
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  is just wild like and it was my first time experiencing
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  magic convention sober that's right sober which
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  is wild what was it alex is not sleep for days yeah i slept eight hours and
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  five days let's go oh man it's it's a it's so overwhelming over there because
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  there's there's so much to see to you like so much like the dealers I think.
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  In the times we're living in that dealers rooms at conventions,
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  are a huge advantage to go to a convention there's no more physical stores anymore that's right,
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  plus dealer rooms, you go and they bring all their best stuff to you being at
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  MagiFest when there's like 30 dealers or whatever,
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  it's like that has worth it has worth being
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  exposed to all this magic live in front of you especially for beginners you
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  know and have the other magicians there like when i see like a young person
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  at a convention i'm like hey have you seen like have you seen this goes i judge
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  them based on their skill level i'm like look at this little thing you're gonna
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  love this one right and and at blackpool like i remember our first year,
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  we went around we were with chris ramsey at the height of his popularity so now before he was like,
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  before he did this but but we we couldn't
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  walk the dealer room we couldn't he was pictures like
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  it took like an hour and a half just to like go from like you know one side
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  to the other without even watching magic so that was heavy but but my point
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  is at the end of the week we're going by the end of the weekend we're going
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  around the dealer room and then i see somebody do a trick i'm like yo where
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  did you get that like oh the other dealer room right there in the and like what it's another,
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  we like we like pass.
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  So there's like two more an upper level it's just
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  wild it's so fun damn yeah and then like the shows
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  were great we saw amazing shows it was it's the
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  place to be and plus we had we had
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  we had this this year we actually stayed at a decent place oh
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  my god huge game changer the holiday inn with the
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  breakfast the first hotel we stayed like
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  seven years ago I was still in construction yeah it was in
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  construction back then and it's still construction now yeah it's wild
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  so one
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  thing i do admire as as the guys were saying at the you know
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  at the convention is that like the energy the
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  energy the energy how do you keep it up man like i
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  mean are you are you work do you work out every day you look fantastic
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  both you guys look like you're in great shape like what's the deal are you you eat
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  super healthy are you is there like a detox you guys are doing what's
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  the deal like how do you keep it up is there a level of sobriety that
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  you have to maintain like what's a lot of cocaine helps it
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  keeps you thin no yeah i've been
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  on a i've been on a healthy cleanse path almost
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  a year man yeah ish yeah yeah yeah i've always
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  kind of worked out my voice i've always had high energy though
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  and it's part of like my personality i think it's not
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  and even with age maybe the part my party
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  my little fuse maybe is kind of like you know but i've always been kind of and
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  i don't drink coffee like this is green tea or whatever but like i've never
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  had coffee in my life but i don't know i was gonna say what happens when you
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  have caffeine do you just pass out oh baby i get i get in trouble.
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  No, but on tour, actually, we had a little bet going.
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  You want to tell them the... Which one, the bread thing? Yeah.
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  Yeah, so I saw him, like, remove his shirt for a video he did for Blackpool, actually.
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  And I saw my brother for the first time with a six-pack, and I was so fucking jealous, guys.
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  I was like, I have to be in shape now. Like, it makes no sense. I'm 31.
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  You know, like, I have to be in shape. Like, oh, yeah.
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  I'm here right now. You know, twins.
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  And so I'm like, you know what? This store, no drinks.
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  Sober, healthy food, everything So every time I'm going to eat a piece of bread
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  Or something like that, I am like 10 bucks Yeah, 10 bucks for any carbs Or bread
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  that goes into his mouth Today's day one So far so good boys Oh, today's one.
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  Rule of thumb By the way, we're not supposed to say rule of thumb anymore in
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  society Do you guys know that?
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  No Rule of thumb was used back in the day It meant Rule of thumb meant you couldn't This is true,
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  I promise this is true you couldn't beat you couldn't hit
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  your wife with a stick larger than your thumb
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  and that was i said i swear to you i swear
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  to thickness yeah so now
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  it's what is it now rule of yeah
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  yeah as a rule of trump yeah and
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  i just drink a lot of water i you know what's really helped me
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  i'm gonna share something that really helped me and people make fun of me
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  for this because it's a huge bottle but like i'm very like metric driven and
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  this bottle on it has like the times nice so you're supposed to you know i'm
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  way behind now i'm way behind now yeah oh you're zooming in on that yeah so
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  i walk around with this huge bottle i like to be i like to be visually,
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  you know what i love eric is you got to bring out your own version of that with
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  your own notes like at each hour. Well, keep drinking a little.
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  How do you road trip? You guys are doing 60 plus shows over 60 days.
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  You must be pulling over every 40 minutes and take a piss.
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  We're pretty good, actually. Yeah. We're pretty good. Well, I mean, what did you want to say?
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  I'm getting older, and one of the first things, one of the first signs is what?
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  Want you older? You're kidding me. No, I'm not going to say that.
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  Are you kidding me? I'm going to tell Jazzy, though.
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  Yeah. I just wrote her. I got to tell you Alex's story about his bladder. He told me.
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  Anyways, but as you get older, your bladder, I don't know. How old are you guys? Well, I'm 40. I'm 35.
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  Okay. So, any bladder problems yet?
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  Yeah. yeah yeah absolutely i find that like you
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  pee and you gotta wait a moment or kind of
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  like ring it out right i mean you gotta like ring it out right just
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  yeah ever since 10 40 it's been a thing for double
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  lifts right now they're yeah yeah what
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  the hell um yeah so i a
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  few years ago i started just having to you know urinate more
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  often and i thought to myself i'm like this is the
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  only problem in your life where currently
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  yes but the only problems that
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  the the cause of not the cause but
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  like when you have to pee it feels so good but it's
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  the only problem that like you get a you get a reward so yes
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  we we're right now we're on the pee tour so we
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  pull over a little over a lot but it's a small price you know how
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  is the propriety when you're touring with one of your best buds and
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  you have the ability to go into bars be the coolest guys in
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  there and press girls and do magic and like you know and not just get wild and
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  sick a couple of like doers and soda like you guys like the sobriety level is
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  rolling truly we had a question too from out from our good friend here in australia
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  chris he uh because he's also on the sober train right now 225 days in.
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  What yeah what advantages are you noticing because you said you went six months
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  sober last year as a challenge and i'm guessing you enjoyed the benefits of
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  that and so you were just telling me affair you've,
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  promise to go all 2025. Yeah.
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  2025, dedicating it to the career. Girlfriend and I just broke up.
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  So like I'm having a summer of Eric, eat, pray, love.
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  I'm like meditating and reading and, you know, working out, drinking a lot of
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  water, not, not partying.
• 22:04
  You know, my career and I've never done it. I've never actually,
• 22:07
  I've always used substances since I was 17, you know, smoke,
• 22:11
  I love cannabis and but it's nice and so the advantage
• 22:14
  is i mean i'm clear-headed you're you know in the
• 22:16
  morning you got a pep in your step and you're even just
• 22:19
  reading like i've never been like a reader my my ex
• 22:22
  ex-girlfriend always said don't say that it makes you sound stupid i'm
• 22:26
  not a big reader like don't ever say that but i discovered that
• 22:29
  i'm add i'm all over the place i don't know if you can tell but
• 22:32
  no i can't what look at this girl what and so
• 22:37
  nothing could stick i would read pages and i was like over and
• 22:40
  over and over besides magic books by the way magic books stuck
• 22:43
  because i'm passionate about it but i discovered that autobiographies stick
• 22:48
  for some reason because you can hear you can hear the celebrity you know it's
• 22:52
  real and you can hear their voice Matthew Perry you know Schwarzenegger and
• 22:56
  John Stamos and Cher the Cher biography it's like a four or five hundred page
• 23:00
  book and i crushed it in like a week so i'm reading more feels good clear-headed
• 23:05
  and we're talking a little bit about before that we started rolling about.
• 23:08
  Being creative with cannabis, it helps. It's been known to help a little sativa.
• 23:13
  A lot of the stuff I've come up with in the past was... Yeah,
• 23:16
  psychedelics really helped sometimes.
• 23:19
  You guys should try it.
• 23:21
  Yeah, let's go!
• 23:27
  Good things. The only thing is like, it's a little boring sometimes. It's a little boring.
• 23:33
  That's why we have one bed for this. There's literally two beds right behind us.
• 23:37
  Fuck they could see it yeah it really inspired me to to try and get sober as well i did three months.
• 23:43
  And I had to create like a show in two months. That's right.
• 23:46
  You created your whole show. Yeah.
• 23:47
  And best thing that ever happened to me. I was like, like I said,
• 23:50
  like being clear, man, just, and you see the other people too, you know? Yeah.
• 23:53
  That's a big part. That's a big one, Like seeing other people drinking.
• 23:57
  Oh my God. Just to see how they act. And they're on the influence.
• 24:01
  It's like, Oh yeah. Am I like that as well? Yes. Yes, you are.
• 24:04
  Start yourself questions now, you know? And you're like, wow, I'm going to go to bed.
• 24:09
  I want to be like these people and stuff, you know? so oh yeah i went
• 24:11
  out for say patty's day the other night like my friend was playing
• 24:14
  in a band and i was sober obviously and this
• 24:17
  is like i'll show you guys this is happening right in front of me
• 24:20
  hold on oh yeah
• 24:23
  i saw this in your story and the story
• 24:27
  the story before it was her completely sober right
• 24:29
  like just standing there like that's the whole video like
• 24:32
  30 seconds of this and she's still there she's still there right now
• 24:35
  like she's still headlong
• 24:38
  in at the old doubler in ottawa that's a
• 24:41
  big part like there's a little bit of like not a superiority a
• 24:43
  superiority complex but like when you like see people really drunk
• 24:47
  you feel proud yes you feel proud and you feel the thing
• 24:49
  is like you want to have one or two or three but when it gets to seven or eight
• 24:54
  you're like uh yeah or the whole bottle yeah he's really bad well apart from
• 25:00
  the best what about wes i feel like he you know that's his whole brand it's
• 25:03
  like having a beer on stage performing i soon Wes is going to die soon.
• 25:10
  And help his wife is going to be a widow,
• 25:15
  he's going to die from alcohol poisoning seriously he will though he loves it,
• 25:21
  he can go he can seriously go one thing I've learned here's a good thing.
• 25:27
  My whole life I didn't do this every time but if your show is at a bar or at
• 25:34
  a wedding or whatever and there's a bar, like, I'm going to have a beer or two
• 25:38
  before going on stage. Of course, it relaxes you, right?
• 25:42
  After spending three, six months sober, it has absolutely zero, zero benefits.
• 25:50
  You're not better. You're worse. Even after a drink, even after that little,
• 25:55
  even the little spark you think you have, the little, little pep.
• 25:59
  It's being clear headed is an illusion. So much better on stage too.
• 26:04
  And I've started learning scripts, which is something I've never done.
• 26:07
  A shame. Like I'm ashamed to like say it. Like as some magicians are all about
• 26:11
  scripts and they lack performance a little bit and they can't derive from it.
• 26:16
  Some magicians are all not no scripts and kind of like, oh, I'm just going to going to wing it.
• 26:20
  You know, some magicians do both. They have a script and they kind of when it's
• 26:23
  when it's time to kind of veer towards it and ad lib a little bit, they go.
• 26:27
  But for the first time in my life, I like sat there and wrote some stuff and
• 26:30
  I'm trying it out this week.
• 26:32
  And it's it's so nice. It's so nice to be exactly know what you're going to say when you say it.
• 26:37
  Anyways, big fan. Don't know if I'm going to do it forever. definitely this
• 26:40
  year but i don't think my my partying days are
• 26:43
  done but it's a challenge and i love challenges so yeah
• 26:46
  yeah this is eric yeah yeah
• 26:49
  this is definitely the year of yarrick and it's like it just seems like you've
• 26:52
  identified a lot of benefits for and against like and it's nice to have that
• 26:55
  variance you know what i mean so since 17 that's that's pretty epic man like
• 26:59
  you know to be the party animal and and let it go because i was i was the opposite
• 27:04
  i was the most sober kid all through everything i didn't start partying until
• 27:07
  my late 30s and i just couldn't afford.
• 27:09
  Yeah. I just couldn't afford to. I bought a house when I was 23.
• 27:14
  And so it's very hard to pay off a mortgage in our country.
• 27:18
  Like no one's entirely abundant wherever else. So I had to really sacrifice
• 27:21
  and I couldn't afford the downtime.
• 27:23
  Now as my career has been awesome and so forth, like I'm kind of abundant now
• 27:28
  and I can afford to go to Canada for a month and enjoy the lifestyle,
• 27:32
  go to Japan after that and drink at every izakaya on the trip,
• 27:37
  you know, and that's really fun you know i don't live for
• 27:40
  it kind of mental blow like tyler rourke is
• 27:43
  going up in this chat jen simon what's up girl jen simon
• 27:46
  actually read i went into my house today and she
• 27:49
  redecorated my entire bathroom i had nothing on the
• 27:51
  walls and she went in there and she did everything so
• 27:54
  thanks jen if you're still there love you oh yeah
• 27:57
  so another mental jog thing about partying is like is
• 28:00
  like at my age i'm like i went hard from
• 28:03
  like 17 to like you know 38 years old
• 28:06
  i went hard i lived a good party life
• 28:09
  everywhere around the world so like you gotta try you
• 28:13
  gotta try not to for at least a year whatever
• 28:15
  you know so like unlike you nick that you're like yeah i haven't partied since
• 28:19
  i started when i was like 30 something they're like you have catching up to
• 28:23
  do and you have you're gonna put some work in well the benefits of it was you
• 28:28
  know going through my 20s in my prime years everyone was tanked and i was sober
• 28:32
  and straight and sharp and so.
• 28:35
  When there was a girl at the party that everyone was frothing for
• 28:38
  everyone was too like had to drink to get the courage to
• 28:41
  say what's up and i was just like i'm in an environment where everyone
• 28:43
  thinks for a tank i'm just gonna go say what's up i'm gonna take her
• 28:46
  home and that was that was the mythology and nick
• 28:49
  like it was not to be gloaty but you know it was
• 28:51
  just an interesting place to be where everyone is drunk you don't
• 28:55
  really need to drink to get to their level you're like a lot
• 28:57
  of times i think that people like us who perform for
• 29:00
  a living operate at a kind of higher frequency we're already
• 29:03
  there by nature and they've got to sort of lift themselves up
• 29:06
  and that's kind of sad for them we have a we
• 29:09
  have a good question here it's random but alex you want
• 29:11
  to he says what are some good songs to walk on stage to random but you explain
• 29:18
  about the process a little bit like how would you find it like besides what
• 29:22
  you love you know has to be is it Is it the high energy? Is it the beat per minute?
• 29:30
  Depending on your persona, I think. You have to try a lot.
• 29:33
  Anything in magic or art related, you have to try stuff. Depending on your persona as well.
• 29:39
  It could also be a good thing to maybe be totally different than your persona.
• 29:44
  Let's say a guy like Dan Sperry, dressed in black, makeup, and he just comes
• 29:50
  on stage with a beautiful song of, I don't know, Let It Go or a cartoon song or something like that.
• 29:55
  People would be like, what the hell something with the banjo yeah yeah something
• 29:59
  like that like trying you know like the more you do shows the more you perform
• 30:04
  you're gonna you're gonna know i i think you know i feel like yours is a rock
• 30:09
  song or something so songs that people know as well you know this is always a.
• 30:14
  You know a good thing to do like it always you know what something that i think
• 30:18
  that helped is like epidemic sound epidemic sound is very i know just said but
• 30:23
  i remember when we wrote smocus pocus yeah we were just there and just clicking
• 30:28
  clicking clicking and the sign you
• 30:29
  alex's that's an ear for music obviously and we were just clicking and i was
• 30:34
  like i'm i suck at this i i love music i know a lot of lyrics i know a lot of
• 30:38
  bands but like to be like oh i want this and this, like, I'm just so bad at it.
• 30:44
  What's cool with Epidemic Sound is that you can actually search for mood,
• 30:47
  for genre, for anything.
• 30:49
  Even an instrument, you like something, you search for it, and you're gathering
• 30:53
  thousands of different, like, you know, songs. If you want to sign up for Epidemic
• 30:57
  Sound, use code MAGICGUYS10 for 10% off.
• 31:01
  No, you guys are welcome. But yeah, it's a very good question,
• 31:05
  because you know, Wes, a lot of people, like, Wes doesn't, dude,
• 31:08
  Wes doesn't use any song. Refuses.
• 31:11
  Dude any music and you know and it's
• 31:14
  it's crazy but especially so well you
• 31:17
  know it's like and he's also he's on the school of like stand-up comedy right
• 31:20
  and they don't use anything but like i mean
• 31:23
  even just a walk on does a we i did a tour with him for for colleges and his
• 31:28
  last trick is him what is it is he putting himself in a straight jacket or anyways
• 31:34
  he's getting in he's getting in but at the end he escapes from it as well right
• 31:37
  so at the end he takes the straight jacket and slam it on the floor,
• 31:41
  no music, nothing. And people are like, oh, nice.
• 31:44
  But they don't know it's done, you know? Because you need somebody.
• 31:48
  I'm like, Wes, listen to me, bro. Okay?
• 31:50
  You need at least one song. And now he has a song at the end.
• 31:54
  And bro, the roof fucking explodes, man. And a lot of people are like.
• 31:58
  Oh, I don't want to run like Q Labs or Audio Wave or whatever.
• 32:02
  But like having a cue, like slamming your jacket on the ground is so clear.
• 32:07
  You tell the sound guy like, hey, at the end, when my jacket's slammed, you press this button.
• 32:11
  It's the easiest. and from what i i was on that train
• 32:14
  of thought too before like when i'll go do like a corporate and
• 32:16
  i don't have a sound person with me like that i know right now
• 32:20
  i like i tell i give him three or four because there's somebody
• 32:23
  there if you're not giving them anything to do like when
• 32:26
  i go to chicago magic lounge or like house of cards in nashville like
• 32:29
  there's a sound person there for you why
• 32:32
  not put a couple of you know zingers or sfx
• 32:35
  use them use them yeah it's also do a run through oh
• 32:38
  yeah right that right i mean it's your job it's
• 32:41
  the least you could do you know so west get on it okay yeah
• 32:44
  man can i can i share a little pro tip that helps me a whole bunch for
• 32:47
  the guys out there who don't want to spend the money i used to use q labs
• 32:50
  and so forth when i'm doing my theater shows and stuff like at a festival i'll
• 32:53
  use q labs but for my corporates i just use a
• 32:56
  keynote and the reason i do is because you can just have it
• 32:59
  so that when they click left or right right more importantly
• 33:02
  that it does your cues for you it'll either play your videos or
• 33:05
  it'll play your audio and the cool thing about that is that you
• 33:08
  have presenter notes and the presenter notes are typically when
• 33:11
  you're doing a powerpoint presentation you actually read what
• 33:14
  you need to say in your script rather than putting that in there
• 33:17
  what you do is you put the cues for your audio guy and
• 33:20
  your video guy so that means i can just so and basically you can give them a
• 33:23
  laptop they can plug in their hdmi which goes to the screens and whatever they
• 33:28
  need to do which has your name your big nick k professional mind bro logo whatever
• 33:31
  else that's a really inexpensive way you guys can add some production value to your shows.
• 33:37
  That's a great tip. I just did a.
• 33:40
  Like a trade show ish what's it in english like showcase
• 33:43
  showcase and here's another project
• 33:46
  for you guys always work at gay bars around them yeah yeah but like always talk
• 33:53
  to the tech right before and like maybe even a couple of days before the gig
• 33:57
  too you know because they they sold me on that guy like he was one of the top
• 34:01
  in quebec it was like working with all the comedians there but as Magician, I'm like,
• 34:07
  yeah, but comedians don't have any cues.
• 34:09
  Like, what are you selling here, you know? But by talking to him to make sure
• 34:13
  he was understanding everything I was saying in French, not English,
• 34:17
  as you can tell, it went great.
• 34:19
  You know, so just talk to the people, make sure they understand exactly what you want.
• 34:22
  Yeah, that's another good tip is like, let people do what they do best, you know?
• 34:26
  It drives me crazy. it blows my mind when I see in magic forums,
• 34:31
  a magician be like, you know, who designs logos in a magic group?
• 34:37
  I mean, if you guys design logos or like who, who's good at making,
• 34:41
  who can make me a cake for like, what are you doing?
• 34:44
  Like let people who do what they do best and you utilize them.
• 34:48
  It drives me crazy that people think the magic world is like,
• 34:52
  like who would want a magician to like make you a magic jacket or something like.
• 34:57
  You know, make, sense to me yeah can i share a
• 34:59
  funny one can i share a funny one i actually got an inquiry going oh
• 35:03
  we have a birthday girl and she wants a quick change here's a
• 35:06
  video of what she wants and it's like an impossible idea
• 35:09
  and i just went like okay here's my time to
• 35:12
  perform and then this is what it's going to cost for me to
• 35:15
  measure her up get my tailor involved and have this thing made within
• 35:18
  two weeks and i were just like we're just gonna have you
• 35:21
  perform i'm like right right they're so
• 35:24
  unaware oh look i bought my son a car for his 18th birthday
• 35:27
  i'd like for him to appear in the lounge room i'm like are you out of your
• 35:30
  mind yeah yeah yeah it's wild and sometimes
• 35:33
  just let the people who are best at what they do like like alice
• 35:36
  when they're with the sound guy you're like well i don't need any how can or
• 35:39
  leave it with lights like when we're in vancouver for smokest focus yeah there's
• 35:43
  a lighting guy there it's like oh you want me to put and usually i'm like i
• 35:46
  just don't want to put any like stress or work that's not you that you're not
• 35:52
  warrant i don't need you No useless work to anybody.
• 35:54
  But he's like, no, I can make it look like... I'll make it look like...
• 35:57
  He's like, just let me. I'm like, okay.
• 35:58
  Do the thing, you know? And he made the stage look like amazing with lights and smoke.
• 36:03
  And if you tell me, oh, we're going to make it... We have a guy who's going
• 36:06
  to use lights and smoke to make the show.
• 36:08
  Right away, I'm like, no, no, no, no. General wash only and just like a spotlight.
• 36:12
  It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Because I don't want...
• 36:14
  To kind of deviate from what i'm used to but when you let people do what they
• 36:18
  do best like yeah yeah it's a game changer absolute game changer when you work
• 36:23
  with pros like that what's the word in english when you delegate delegate yeah all the same.
• 36:31
  Same when you write it yeah and same
• 36:35
  with uh video operators too like it's what you got to make
• 36:37
  sure they know where to zoom in
• 36:40
  for which part of your set and because sometimes you might
• 36:43
  do a bottle production but they're super tight on you and
• 36:46
  it looks to the audience like you just picked it up yeah especially that's
• 36:50
  a great that's a great tip and i'm sure it's been said before but like it's
• 36:52
  20 really great probably the most popular the most
• 36:56
  popular television appearance for magicians is like i guess
• 36:58
  breakfast television you know when you like local or whatever that's kind.
• 37:01
  Of easier the easiest one to get is i've always
• 37:04
  been a believer like tell the producer tell the
• 37:07
  camera guys exactly how the trick works it doesn't matter no
• 37:10
  magic's not real if you doing it for 10 people in
• 37:14
  the studio it's fine of the thousands that are watching at
• 37:17
  home it doesn't matter right and you go through the rehearsal usually you'd
• 37:20
  be 10 oh no just keep it a shot from here and i'll do this that use
• 37:23
  them to your advantage they're they're have that job out of
• 37:26
  hundreds of camera guys for a reason they're good at
• 37:28
  doing what they do like trust you know it's like a game yeah here's
• 37:32
  another little pro tip sometimes you don't have the opportunity to do a you know
• 37:35
  a run through or whatever else so what i like to do is when i start my
• 37:38
  show i'll introduce myself and say hello and take a quick moment
• 37:41
  to acknowledge the people making this happen please give it up for my sound guy
• 37:44
  barry in the back everyone say hi barry and my blog
• 37:47
  guy and i go like we had a little run-through area they're super nervous
• 37:50
  the show is going to go wrong but they are professionals it's going to be just
• 37:52
  fine and just by doing that you can do stuff where and one of the things i do
• 37:57
  is i go barry so here's what's up when we do a music cue if i point my finger
• 38:01
  up volume up a little bit if i point my finger down just bring it down to a
• 38:06
  level that I can talk over. Okay.
• 38:09
  And when I do this, if I run my hand across my neck, it means kill the sound.
• 38:14
  Okay and just having that little thing as you walk through the
• 38:17
  audience you go please uh welcome blah blah on stage you can
• 38:19
  go down sit the person down then just walk over and
• 38:22
  do this and the musical stuff there's little things like that that you
• 38:25
  can do and same thing with our camera person you can have them go
• 38:28
  there and go like and go okay we just throw the camera
• 38:30
  there barry thank you very much i just want you to focus in right here if you
• 38:33
  can that's great yeah yeah if you're in the show you mean yeah yes of course
• 38:37
  it's swift yeah it's okay it's okay to give direction on the stage to ensure
• 38:44
  that the people receiving your magic and receiving it through the monitors and
• 38:47
  the sound and everything experience it in the best way.
• 38:50
  Conduct the show. Now, sometimes things don't go the way we want.
• 38:54
  And we have a segment particularly for that, which we call Gig Stories.
• 39:00
  And I think it's time we run that segment.
• 39:03
  So Gig Stories is a section of the show. We talk about magic moments,
• 39:06
  either while performing or our day-to-day life,
• 39:08
  starting this week with some wonderful stories from our guests, Alex Boyer and
• 39:11
  the reverent reverent reverent oh just call
• 39:14
  him handsome whatever eric leclerc thank you you're very
• 39:17
  good looking you don't have to lie man don't have to lie dude it's a
• 39:21
  podcast i can't see you it's fine how did last time and
• 39:24
  just to foreshadow when eric was on here last time and should
• 39:27
  go watch episode 74 he had this crazy story
• 39:30
  of blasting a confetti cannon
• 39:33
  on a small child so much so
• 39:36
  that it stunned him and vanished his glasses on stage
• 39:39
  this is it was the best story ever and i wondered
• 39:42
  if you had any story since then and you said you
• 39:46
  might have something to strap so where's my where's my cue so strapping ladies
• 39:51
  and gentlemen yeah i got i got a couple that happened i got one that when that
• 39:57
  that happened that i decided to do and last year i wanted to do,
• 40:03
  I attended the PCAM convention in Canada,
• 40:07
  Pacific Coast Association of Magicians in Vancouver, a few years ago.
• 40:11
  And I love conventions. I attend them all the time. And.
• 40:18
  Christopher t or christopher hart or what i
• 40:22
  don't remember but a kids performer was amazing and it
• 40:24
  opened my eyes i'm like oh man like i love kids magic i
• 40:27
  perform kids magic i was hanging on his every word and i'm
• 40:31
  like i want to go to all the kids magic conventions i want to lecture there
• 40:34
  i felt like i was home so i decided to reach out and get myself booked at these
• 40:38
  conventions so this one was it was kidcadabra i was kiddabra or kid convention
• 40:46
  it was convention i think in Washington,
• 40:49
  run by Lewis Meyer.
• 40:52
  And so it was a children's entertainer convention. It wasn't a magic convention.
• 40:56
  And it was basically kids entertainers is what?
• 40:59
  Magicians, clowns, face painters, right?
• 41:03
  Maybe some jugglers, maybe. But like really it's face painters,
• 41:06
  which is a big clowns magician, right?
• 41:08
  So he hired me to do a lecture and to do an adult show at night.
• 41:12
  And I'm like, I read it. I'm like, an adult show. He's like,
• 41:14
  yeah, yeah. Like forget you're here for kids. It's all adults.
• 41:18
  Late night 11 p.m adult show and i'm like great i
• 41:21
  love it so during the convention face painters
• 41:25
  were there was all women it's all women there and they
• 41:28
  were doing the face paint whatever and then like they started doing body painting
• 41:32
  right so they got that guys there body painting the women everybody's just body
• 41:36
  painting it's like 10 at night go sit up for my show i don't think twice about
• 41:39
  it and then i'm on stage uh doing
• 41:42
  my full adult show and there's a line i say in my show i I say, okay.
• 41:46
  If this prediction is correct, I'm going to take it out of the envelope.
• 41:48
  If it's correct, I want you guys to go crazy, throw money, bras,
• 41:53
  whatever. That's the line I say.
• 41:55
  And then I turn around, I do myself, and then I hear people laugh and start cheering.
• 42:00
  And I turn around and these three women have their bras in the hands like this,
• 42:05
  bare-fucked-ed, they're all painted up.
• 42:08
  They're all painted up. My body painting is, you know, it's a thing.
• 42:11
  So they're just there topless, swimming their bras and
• 42:14
  i was like i was like this is this is
• 42:17
  my dream anyways we all
• 42:20
  had a crazy orgy on page to end the show great but
• 42:24
  it was the first time that actually i i didn't i didn't realize
• 42:27
  because the body painting was so good that it looked
• 42:30
  like clothes i didn't realize that there'd be topless you know
• 42:32
  people there so i turn around and all i'm seeing is women wave
• 42:35
  their bras and i'm like how in my head i'm like
• 42:38
  how do they get those bras out so you know
• 42:41
  goodbye uh but that
• 42:44
  was definitely a magic convention highlight that i'll
• 42:47
  never forget first of all women at magic conventions
• 42:50
  and then topless and then this bras and on point it was great i always remember
• 42:55
  it for the action you got to go to kids conventions who knew i and you know
• 42:59
  what i i went to that other one tricks in this tricks in the sticks and that
• 43:03
  one that one was a wild one that was do you want to tell one because i got another
• 43:07
  great one after Like a horrible story?
• 43:10
  Well, a gig story? Gig story, I guess? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 43:14
  Sorry for that, guys. Hold on. Yeah, so I was performing. I don't know what
• 43:19
  gig was it, but I was doing something with a thumb dip.
• 43:22
  I think it was like a new version of mine, like to do a Bill and Lemon.
• 43:25
  I don't remember the actual effect, but I used a thumb tip to do something and
• 43:29
  to make something disappear on stage.
• 43:31
  And it was so clean, right? And at a moment, my thumb just fucking dropped on
• 43:36
  the floor. And I was like, oh my God.
• 43:39
  So I went to go and pick it up, but I kick it in the audience.
• 43:43
  And the woman right in front of the audience was just like, what the fuck is
• 43:47
  it? Like, I had to make fun of this. I was just like this.
• 43:57
  Kicking a thumb tip in the audience Pretty wild I got one to end this little
• 44:03
  chain here This one did not happen during one of my gigs It happened during
• 44:07
  one of Wes Barker's gigs It was doing Fool Us This is like a life story This is true,
• 44:15
  100% true He was doing Fool Us,
• 44:18
  at the rio right that's where they film
• 44:21
  fool us and we stay there for
• 44:24
  like three or four days at night it's funny guys for sure for sure we
• 44:27
  fight we so we we're we're you know we're doing the we're
• 44:30
  doing the thing we're partying i think it was like it was after we filmed it
• 44:33
  was definitely after we filmed so we're partying the whole week and then and
• 44:39
  then so we're staying at the rio where the where the show is filled so one day
• 44:42
  we come back from a pool party it's like 4 p.m we're obliterated, we're done.
• 44:47
  And we walk back to her room and right before there's like a restaurant in the
• 44:50
  lobby and I see like a cardboard cutout of it.
• 44:54
  Like it was an Asian restaurant. I see this Asian lady with like a,
• 44:57
  like a, like a dish and like with a beer and she's like advertising the restaurant.
• 45:01
  It's a cardboard cutout.
• 45:02
  So like in my drunkenness, I just grabbed the cutout under my arm and like,
• 45:06
  we bring her up to the room to like take selfies or whatever. Right.
• 45:09
  So I'm dressed in a party suit, like a pink, a pink bathing suit,
• 45:13
  pink shirt, pink matching hat, Everything's matching.
• 45:15
  And I grab this thing. We go in the room, pass out, forget about it.
• 45:19
  A couple days later, we keep partying, pool parties everywhere.
• 45:22
  Two days later, I'm wearing the same suit. We go to a pool party.
• 45:26
  I'm walking in the hotel. Walk. We go up to the elevators.
• 45:30
  And then we're sitting. We forgot our key. So one of our members goes to one
• 45:34
  of our friends, goes down, gets the key.
• 45:35
  Then security comes in the hallway.
• 45:39
  And, like, we didn't do anything wrong. It's just security. While we're in Vegas,
• 45:42
  it's, like, the place where you can do anything.
• 45:44
  Right so we're just laying in the hallway you know whatever and
• 45:47
  the security's like sir stand up and i'm like
• 45:50
  what it's like stand up put your hands behind your back i'm like
• 45:53
  what are you talking about bro you know and with i
• 45:55
  have like a problem with authority too like when they somebody's like enforcing
• 45:59
  authority on me i'm just like i push back you know i'm like what are you talking
• 46:02
  about bro he's like stand up put your hands behind your back i won't say it
• 46:05
  again i'm like okay i go my my friend jill and wes are like like they're like
• 46:10
  i don't know they're like you stole you stole i'm I'm like, stole?
• 46:13
  What do you mean stole? I didn't steal anything. And he's like,
• 46:17
  you stole from the restaurant? And I'm like,
• 46:19
  The cardboard sign? Like, I realized what I did now.
• 46:23
  Dumb it down, you know? It's like, yeah, the cardboard sign.
• 46:26
  The owner wants to press charges.
• 46:27
  Stand up, put your hands behind your back. So they cuff me in my bright pink suit.
• 46:33
  They bring me down, drag me all the way across in the casino,
• 46:38
  bring me in the basement.
• 46:39
  And these guys are like, when you have you with cuffs, they're like holding you like this.
• 46:44
  So their faces are pretty close to yours when they're holding you,
• 46:46
  you know, like this. and the guy's twisting my cuffs, hoping I'm going to do
• 46:51
  something, hoping I'm going to give him a lip or attitude.
• 46:54
  And it is in my nature to like, you know, Stacey's right here.
• 46:57
  I should have been like, bro, like ease up on the cuffs, you know?
• 47:00
  But I didn't. I just played, I knew I fucked up.
• 47:03
  I played the nice Canadian boy card.
• 47:06
  I let him twist the cuffs. I didn't, brought me in the basement,
• 47:09
  put me a little holding cell.
• 47:10
  And he's like, the man wants to, you know, press charges. No,
• 47:13
  no, no. I'm like, sir, we're just messing around. He's like,
• 47:15
  he's trying to, in my face, like an interrogation.
• 47:17
  Like we're on, you know, SVU or whatever.
• 47:20
  So then he's like, what are you doing here? And then they find out, what room are you in?
• 47:24
  And then I hear them in another room. They're saying, oh, it's a Fool Us room.
• 47:29
  So now they see, because the Rio, it's been going on for 13 years.
• 47:33
  The Rio gets rooms for Fool Us. There's magicians in the hotel all the time.
• 47:37
  So now they hear that it's a Fool Us room.
• 47:39
  So I'm like, in my head, man, like Wes was just on Fool Us, you know?
• 47:44
  So he's like, and I'm like, yeah, yeah. He's like, what are you doing?
• 47:47
  Though you are you're on the show and i and i see my opportunity i'm like no
• 47:51
  i was on the show two years ago and i fooled them and he's and i see the demeanor
• 47:54
  change like he's like oh shit you fool
• 47:57
  you know you're a magician i'm like yeah yeah he's like you're a good magician
• 48:02
  you fooled him i'm like yeah and then he goes he goes uh so you can get out
• 48:06
  of those cuffs right now and i'm like buddy in like 10 seconds i just take my
• 48:10
  opportunity and say in about 10 seconds he's like don't do it i'm Like, I won't.
• 48:14
  So it pretty much ends there. They let me out of the cup.
• 48:17
  The guy, the guy, I hear the guys in the other room. The owner comes down.
• 48:20
  He's like, I just wanted to learn him a lesson, teach him a lesson.
• 48:23
  The guys, he said, nice Canadian boy. I hear him say that. He's a nice Canadian guy.
• 48:26
  And like, I was drunk and like done. I was on, I was on a lot of stuff.
• 48:31
  And I just, like, just being so nice to them. They let me go.
• 48:34
  I have the security footage. I have.
• 48:39
  So, and then, and then, and then it gets back to the Fool's producer.
• 48:42
  So months later, Wes is asking, when am I going to be on Fool Us, you know?
• 48:47
  Oh, by the way, and they escorted me out of the hotel. I was banned from all Caesars properties.
• 48:51
  Tell them where the cardboard cutout was in the room. It was in the shower. It was in the shower.
• 48:58
  What did you do with the cardboard cutout? I'm like, nothing.
• 49:01
  It's just like we just and I'm like trying to dumb it down.
• 49:04
  Like, oh, we used to take selfies. Like I'm showing him the selfies,
• 49:06
  like, you know, my phone. I'm like, innocent, you know? So we were like,
• 49:12
  he's like where is it i'm like it's in the shower and
• 49:15
  thank god we didn't beat this thing up the owner takes it
• 49:18
  it's perfect condition so months later wes is trying to get on fool us and then
• 49:23
  the producers are like we don't know if your clip is going to air yet and wes
• 49:27
  is like oh why and they send him a picture of the cardboard cutout now now we're
• 49:34
  back in canada and i'm like i'm like wes i'm I'm so sorry, Gil. I was an idiot.
• 49:38
  And anyways, this clip aired. Everything is good. But keep your eyes out because
• 49:43
  I'm not done with the story.
• 49:44
  And you guys might see me back, might see me back on a certain show with that certain cutout. Yes.
• 49:55
  So you can use the security footage as your pre-show. Yeah.
• 50:01
  That's a story that happened at my buddy's gig.
• 50:04
  Sorry, buddy. and everything is good now, but it was a stupid decision. And again, alcohol.
• 50:10
  I never would have done that sober, you know? Hey!
• 50:15
  Dude, that is insane. Holy crap. That's awesome.
• 50:19
  Will you, just side note, Magic Live, is that on your radar this year?
• 50:24
  Not this year. Maybe. Was it August?
• 50:27
  Yeah, early August. Maybe. I mean, the thing is like, so I'm a Vegas guy.
• 50:34
  I love Vegas. And if I'm going to be there, I'm going to have like a trip in Vegas as well.
• 50:41
  So and if I try and combine both, I'm just not either not attending the convention,
• 50:45
  or not having or I'm gonna have to attend a convention either before my Vegas.
• 50:52
  Or after my Vegas bender, which both are just stupid for whatever one comes after.
• 50:57
  Yeah. And you also mentioned this is, you know, the year to focus on work and to be sober.
• 51:02
  And so yeah, maybe it's not the most productive place for you then.
• 51:07
  Is that something you can touch on for the audience too? You had mentioned off air,
• 51:11
  like you have a plan right now and it's kind of something we talked about on
• 51:15
  the last time you were here,
• 51:17
  which was the sort of gaps in the market of yeah magic
• 51:20
  yeah yeah there's a there's a
• 51:23
  few there's a few spots for stardom
• 51:27
  in magic that haven't been capitalized on
• 51:31
  i think you know first is like like women in magic like a woman superstar we
• 51:37
  have a lot of great magicians but if you ask somebody on the street no you know
• 51:42
  they won't even they can't even name one even an old one from the past like you know another one is
• 51:48
  a children's superstar magician
• 51:52
  and that's where i think i'm gonna that's where
• 51:55
  i think i'm gonna be pivoting i i've devised a
• 51:58
  very special character and i've been i've put
• 52:01
  i've decided to go fully we're all there's always there's this
• 52:04
  weird stigma with children's performers
• 52:07
  and it comes back to that weird magician ego magic convention
• 52:10
  or stupid that like oh it's just children's
• 52:13
  magic it is a coloring book and a change bag and blah blah
• 52:16
  blah right and it's because there's hasn't been somebody like we have mario
• 52:21
  the maker who's doing waves and creating an amazing show and he's the best number
• 52:25
  one he's got a crazy quote from david blaine he's you know amazing i love that
• 52:29
  guy so much his energy is unmatched you know i watch him on your podcast It's
• 52:33
  just so amazing. One of the best podcasts.
• 52:36
  But besides, there's a spot that's available for kids performer worldwide to really make it through.
• 52:42
  And I think I'm going to go and grab it. I love children so much.
• 52:46
  And as I'm getting older, I was thinking to myself, what are we doing?
• 52:51
  We're all good-looking white guys, funny, trying to be funny,
• 52:55
  in good suits, funny suits, trying to make it in, you know, trying to be what?
• 53:01
  I try to be the next Justin Willman or David Blaine or like,
• 53:04
  or try to do the $10,000 corporates, you know, like the takeaway here is to
• 53:08
  be unique or different, you know, not try to be the best, but just try to be
• 53:12
  like the best you like, you know, like,
• 53:14
  bet on what you're good at. Yeah. Literally, you know? Yeah.
• 53:18
  It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to be successful,
• 53:20
  I think. Yeah. And he's the best kids performer.
• 53:23
  I think I love it. And I love it. And when we were jamming on it,
• 53:25
  I don't want to cut you off, but we were jamming on it the other day and we're
• 53:27
  like, he's not going to be a magician for a kid.
• 53:30
  He's going to be like a superhero and his superpower and or his stool is magic. Right. My stool.
• 53:37
  His stool. My stool. Tool. Tools. You know what stool is?
• 53:41
  Like a bat. No, but do you know? Stool? What do you mean?
• 53:43
  That said it's kaka it's kaka really it's the
• 53:47
  doctor it's called kaka really stool stool yeah
• 53:50
  it's like cutting the cheese but it's like it's like farting like kind of
• 53:53
  kind of the same thing or sure i'm learning things every day
• 53:56
  yeah yeah yeah on the magic guys
• 53:59
  yeah let's go baby learning yeah i think
• 54:03
  there's that but it's a it's a it's an interesting way to kind
• 54:06
  of see it's the first time really like i've been planning this like hardcore
• 54:09
  i got big plans for it and it's the first time that I
• 54:12
  really see a path to something that's available
• 54:15
  and something that so I'm gonna focus on it plus like kids are
• 54:18
  no you didn't miss all the good stuff don't worry we're just
• 54:21
  getting started I think I don't know but it's the first time
• 54:24
  I see a path where hasn't been done and it's crazy because here's here's here's
• 54:29
  a crazy thought when I started listening to podcasts you know in my sober journey
• 54:34
  I was like I've never been a podcast person I was always like even the ones
• 54:37
  Even like Bottom of the Barrel with Chris and Wes, I was like, you're just talking.
• 54:42
  I want to hang out with you live. It felt like work. I didn't see the value of it.
• 54:47
  I started listening to Magic Podcast, you guys and Discourse and all the other
• 54:51
  ones. By the way, congrats on getting nominated. This is a baby.
• 54:55
  No. Thank you.
• 55:00
  That's better. And I really started live.
• 55:07
  I have no clue where's I going with that I don't even know what you're talking about that um
• 55:10
  the being a household name I don't know you were talking about
• 55:13
  podcasts listening to them but but more importantly you have this
• 55:15
  trajectory now so you you're actually on this crazy tour
• 55:18
  right now because you're planning to now take a
• 55:22
  mass amount of time off work right so you can just plan your
• 55:25
  next chapter essentially yeah the
• 55:28
  thing with with uh with YouTube still revelation
• 55:31
  is amazing the thing with youtube and
• 55:34
  kids is is there's no
• 55:38
  money the money's tricky on on youtube you
• 55:40
  know because you can't have ads like normal ones and
• 55:43
  you can't have autoplay and there's a whole bunch of loopholes so i'm gonna
• 55:47
  be you know i haven't done youtube in a long time and for this project i'm gonna
• 55:52
  be coming back soon and just putting as much content out as my new character
• 55:57
  I don't want to reveal too much just yet, but yeah, it's going to be like a labor,
• 56:01
  just like a labor, labor of love.
• 56:04
  It's one of the best. Oh my God, I knew what I was going to say.
• 56:05
  I know what I was going to say. And then when I've been listening to the podcast,
• 56:08
  we all, they all start with like, how did you start?
• 56:10
  You know, how did you start in magic? And like, tell us, tell us about it.
• 56:14
  And most people is like, when I was a kid, I saw a magician or I got a magic
• 56:18
  kit or I got classes or it all starts when you were a kid and yeah.
• 56:24
  A kid needs to see a magician perform for kids.
• 56:28
  And if they're not good or if they're not, we're missing, we're missing so many
• 56:34
  opportunities to hook the next generation of really good magic.
• 56:38
  You know, when we see a good kids performer, they're like, well,
• 56:41
  so in my head, I'm like, I've done, I've done, I've accomplished a lot.
• 56:45
  I've had a lot of checklists and magic.
• 56:47
  And if I, right now, I think, you know, that's inspiring.
• 56:51
  And it sounds so corny when I say this, but i really mean it
• 56:53
  but it's doing new generation to
• 56:56
  become magicians is like you know when we're performing here
• 56:59
  in in schools our names are not anywhere they
• 57:03
  see a magician but i don't put my i've never done it actually i was
• 57:06
  thinking about today which is probably a mistake but like my name has never
• 57:09
  been on stage never printed anywhere never banner stands it's never there i
• 57:13
  don't know why but i always have like a pseudonym is that how you say pseudonym
• 57:19
  like an alter ego as children because I'm kind of edgy for adults.
• 57:24
  And I've always like, my French name for kids is Mysteric, Mysteric or Mr. E.
• 57:28
  And I've always kind of like tried to like, you know, keep both me apart,
• 57:31
  but I've never had my name, you know, plaster. Okay, Nick, we'll see you later, huh, buddy?
• 57:36
  I've been with you. Nice talking to you. He's like, well, you know,
• 57:39
  it's in his rider that once it hits an hour, he's out. So I don't like him.
• 57:43
  Yeah, that was 365 days. Yeah, boys, yeah. Boys and girls coming back.
• 57:48
  This is nice. I like the chat. Tyler Rourke's been listening for an hour from
• 57:52
  Ottawa. Shout out Canada.
• 57:54
  I love it. And do you still have time to fulfill your, in the last podcast,
• 57:59
  I quickly heard you mention you're working on your FISM Act,
• 58:02
  which I assume is for this year.
• 58:03
  Is that happening or was that something you started on changed?
• 58:07
  You know, what's interesting is what it changed into the character I developed
• 58:13
  for FISM changed into what I'm about to launch for kids.
• 58:17
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 58:21
  Alex is going to Are we going to say it?
• 58:23
  I don't know Well, I mean, you just said it But now Translate it to English,
• 58:30
  I'm competing for the online thing,
• 58:32
  Yeah Let's go I saw that online I was just like There's no reason for me not to compete Literally.
• 58:41
  So I'll try it I'm just going to have fun with it And one of the big things
• 58:46
  that I want to do Well, to not do Is basically just do like one quick routine
• 58:50
  or like one trick or anything that we've seen before.
• 58:54
  I just don't want to do that. You know, it's a new competition,
• 58:57
  you know, new ways to see magic. So it should be new.
• 59:00
  It should be original, like all original. So I'm competing.
• 59:03
  I'm going to release the video maybe in two weeks and I'm stressed as fuck boys.
• 59:07
  Yeah, let's go. You know, it's such an interesting, I think it would be really
• 59:13
  interesting to see the submissions or,
• 59:15
  you know, if they continue it, what happens in the next three years or four
• 59:18
  years when the next one yeah yeah to see how it evolves yeah because it's standard now.
• 59:24
  That's right. And to see what people can, on a competitive level,
• 59:28
  put out in video that can't be done in real life. And that's why you watch it
• 59:32
  in video is going to be insane.
• 59:33
  Yeah. Well, my first thought was to do something insane on video,
• 59:37
  but like at the end of the clip to be like, hey, I see you in three years and
• 59:41
  I'm going to do this exact routine live in front of you, you know, just to call it up.
• 59:46
  But we have so many great ideas. Now I just have to film it,
• 59:49
  basically. That's the only thing I'm missing. Yeah, build stuff.
• 59:52
  Yeah, I built stuff, a couple of stuff.
• 59:53
  But yeah, it's going to be good, man. It's pretty crazy that they opened it.
• 59:57
  It is. It is pretty crazy.
• 59:58
  Like, good call on Chris for doing this, you know?
• 1:00:02
  Like, podcasts, magazines, online magicians, you know, like,
• 1:00:07
  there's a place for it. Yeah, Fism was dying.
• 1:00:10
  Fism was dying as well, you know? This is the next generation.
• 1:00:12
  So it's good, man. And you know what?
• 1:00:15
  Maybe to kind of come back to the thing is, like, I worked for two years on that act.
• 1:00:20
  Two years 60 months three months and like sitting on my table on Friday nights
• 1:00:26
  working creating and had such imposter syndrome because I've seen all the FISM,
• 1:00:31
  winners since I was a kid and it's been on my goals list and I'm like this isn't
• 1:00:35
  good enough this isn't good enough it's not good enough and in two years I couldn't,
• 1:00:41
  I couldn't like I'm like all I did was in the notebook phase my good friend
• 1:00:44
  like Chris Pillsworth the magician from Ottawa he's like he came to jam with
• 1:00:48
  me one day and he's like hey dude like
• 1:00:49
  how has it been two years and you're still in the notebook idea
• 1:00:53
  phase like you didn't build a single thing i'm like
• 1:00:55
  yeah this here and there just like imposter syndrome
• 1:00:59
  and then i was like gotta let this stop letting this stress me out and then
• 1:01:03
  one of my friends was like hey this is not an idea for fizz and this is an idea
• 1:01:06
  for like children worldwide he kind of like rocked my world a little bit so
• 1:01:10
  now now i'm back sparking me i'm gonna build a new studio in my house i'm gonna
• 1:01:15
  build my office to like a brainstorming.
• 1:01:18
  All my eggs are going to be in this. I can't wait to share with everybody. It's going to be so good.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah, I mean, it's not a bad idea to change the goalposts from performing for
• 1:01:26
  a couple of magicians to get a trophy to now switching you up to make a million,
• 1:01:30
  multi-million dollar empire for generations.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, exactly. Although, you know, being a FISM champion is,
• 1:01:36
  you know, it's been on my bucket list forever.
• 1:01:38
  And the only way I can cross that out is doing the things here or submitting
• 1:01:41
  a video, you know, online.
• 1:01:43
  It's crazy that you can do that now. It's wild. And I wonder,
• 1:01:46
  like, do you get a trophy?
• 1:01:47
  I have no idea what the price is. Yeah, I just want to do something original
• 1:01:50
  and unique. Like, that's the only reason why I'm doing that. Yeah.
• 1:01:53
  Literally, you know, like, we all know, we all see the same magic.
• 1:01:59
  We all see the same trick. We all see online, it's always the same,
• 1:02:02
  or it's always a version of something.
• 1:02:03
  And it's just the same. It's always the same. And or a little bit bad,
• 1:02:08
  you know. I just want to do something unique.
• 1:02:11
  Transform the way you see magic on the screen. Literally.
• 1:02:15
  You know. You're going to have to, I bet if you made a video where you have to wear.
• 1:02:21
  The Google headgear or whatever it is so you're like immersed in it that would be that would be the next
• 1:02:26
  generation I reckon what I really find cool is
• 1:02:30
  that when we heard that FISM was like opening
• 1:02:33
  this category all this like oh Mortimer's
• 1:02:36
  gonna win or Patrick Kuhn or Jackie Yu they're all
• 1:02:39
  judges right they were smart and they grabbed the
• 1:02:42
  vest of the best saying you guys can't compete you guys can't you
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  know it's crazy if I was Jackie Yu who's so
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  ambitious and who loves magic so much It's so
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  original I don't know how I would feel about
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  that Like if you're like okay yeah I guess I'll be a judge Like
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  I can't compete I guess I'll be a judge
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  Like the judges are like top game Yeah they
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  got the best People I saw putting comments In like the magic magicians only
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  and stuff They're like why isn't such You know yeah Xavier competing or whatever
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  And then it wasn't until people put in the comments Ah it's because they're
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  judges Yeah we got a Marco Tempest Yeah Marco Tempest 2.0 You guys remember
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  those Marco Tentas videos?
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  Or like even one of my favorite was Danny Cole.
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  Remember the like four or five videos Danny Cole put out a few?
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  The blocks. The blocks and then in his room, the floating blocks. That's right.
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  You know, that was like the first like. You're so right. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I think in the next couple of weeks,
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  we're going to get some last minute submission, some heavy.
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  Yeah. And it's so crazy that they showed them before.
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  That's right yeah i think i think you know
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  danny garcia's workload's gonna bloody quadruple now
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  with people wanting video you know making tv magic
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  it's essentially tv magic but it's gonna be in these vertical yeah
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  clips i love it well alex we're gonna look out for that for sure and um i can't
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  i can't wait to start watching kids magic from eric because you know everyone's
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  gonna watch it it doesn't matter that you're making it for kids everyone's gonna
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  want to watch A big part is my style has always been like I'm performing for
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  the adults and there's children there.
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  You know i'm gonna have to definitely dumb it down because it's good very it's going to be like,
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  all right hey hey right because it is for kids after all and
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  it's for kids to watch alone when their parents are doing the dishes right
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  but i am going to make the parents laugh and subconsciously
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  kind of like oh who is okay but the best eric leclerc line
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  is it has to be fun for the adult as well it's like
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  a disney movie yeah like this yeah this is
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  why he wins every everyone man yeah heads you know
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  yeah that's a good hack i talk about that in my lecture which i'm coming
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  to coming to do a little lecture tour in australia and new zealand
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  by the way when is this is this true yeah yeah yeah this summer what what summer
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  for australia the end of the year your winter your winter i'm coming a couple
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  months i'm coming june june like second to like 26 awesome oh Oh.
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  Two more friends here. So, yeah.
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  Has Piper Magic not been telling us this info?
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  Well, it's not confirmed, but I mean, plane tickets are going to be bought very,
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  very soon. It's for the light here.
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  And I say that the Disney line, to get back to it in my lecture,
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  I'm like, one of the best things ever. Like, I've always been very edgy in my magic.
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  Like, my jokes and my kid shows.
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  Like, you know, sometimes I have moms go, like, look around to see if other moms are laughing.
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  And they always are. but if ever there's a
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  good tip for anybody when you say something and like
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  you go too far and you see like you're
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  like oh i shouldn't have said that a good line is like guys come on it's like
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  a disney movie it has to be fun for everybody right you guys are paying right
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  yeah yeah disney movie really kind of deflect or not deflects like disarms the
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  people the karens that are like oh he took a ball out of his butt, like, right?
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  Oh, yeah, in Disney movies, there are adult.
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  There are, in Disney movie, there are, yeah, exactly. Tyler,
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  the best Shrek humor, exactly.
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  There are, like, jokes for the adults. But that little line is,
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  like, a nice little hack.
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  That I've developed another connect. I'll tell you, I'll tell you about another
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  thing. I talk about my lecture. This is so good.
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  So a hack, a hack I've developed. If you do kid shows, okay.
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  If sometimes you'll get like, do you guys perform for kids? Yeah.
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  I mean, inevitably, but not my main.
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  So sometimes you'll get a, you'll get a kid who's like just on your ass,
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  you know, it's like, ah, he thinks he's funny being a, you suck or like,
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  no, sometimes they throw things, which I, that's where I draw the line.
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  But anyways, so instead of kicking them in the jaw, what I do is that I just
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  ignore it. I kind of like, you know, whatever, during the show's fine.
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  But afterwards, when I'm setting, when I'm tearing down my stuff on stage,
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  if it's like a family event or like a theater,
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  or like a group event where there's kids and families everywhere,
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  if a kid comes up to you, sometimes the kids come up to you and they want,
• 1:07:13
  like, they want the mouth coil or they want your attention.
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  But if a kid is saying, oh, you suck or like, oh, that wasn't good or like,
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  I know all your tricks or whatever they say, instead of like ignoring them,
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  Or instead of like telling them that, you know, their parents don't love them or they're adopted,
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  what I go, I fake gratitude.
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  So I just go like, oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.
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  No matter what they say, I go, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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  What this does is all the parents watching sees, assumes their kids are giving you compliments.
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  You're like, oh, thanks, man. That was great. That was great.
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  Give him pounds, whatever.
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  And the kid, the first, and the kid's like, no, no, I'm saying you,
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  I'm saying that wasn't good. I know all your chick.
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  You're like, oh, thank you so much. That's so nice of you. So you're faking gratitude.
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  So after doing that for like 20 years, it's an old hack I had.
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  Last year, I went on the Got Talent Show.
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  I went on France, Australia, and Romania, and another one, I forget.
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  And I discovered that sometimes when they don't, when they can't have you back
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  on, like I was, they paid me to go there.
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  They paid me so I could be in their reel for the season, upcoming season,
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  right? So I know I'm not coming back.
• 1:08:25
  So to make sense in editing that I'm not coming back, they got to say negative stuff sometimes.
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  They try and cut it. So in France, I'm French, but the French humor in France
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  really does not translate.
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  It's like British humor. We don't understand whatever.
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  So here's a tip if you ever go on the Got Talent shows. You feign...
• 1:08:45
  You feign like the judges are telling you good things. You do not give them
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  a clip where you're acknowledging.
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  If the judge is like, yeah, your humor didn't work really well,
• 1:08:55
  and I think you should work on it. You always go, oh, thank you so much.
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  Thank you. That's great. That was amazing. Thank you. Thank you.
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  And then like, no, no, I think he's saying you need to practice your tricks
• 1:09:04
  when you're like, thank you. Thank you. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thank you. But that's good.
• 1:09:08
  Sure, it makes you look a little kooky for like 30 seconds. if
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  the producers don't have any negative of you
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  acknowledging that you're getting so they
• 1:09:17
  can't cut it together so i discovered just
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  like this guy's
• 1:09:24
  this guy i don't i don't understand okay next like they just kind
• 1:09:26
  of give up and like send you off so that's the nice thing is that we're going
• 1:09:30
  on those talent shows to always fake gratitude fake comments good comments yeah
• 1:09:35
  That is honestly the best thing I've ever heard because then they look like
• 1:09:40
  idiots in the editing if they use that and cut to you. Yeah,
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  they can't use it. I love it.
• 1:09:45
  Wow. I give away my trick. If there are any producers watching that,
• 1:09:49
  they'll come back and haunt me. Where'd you go?
• 1:09:51
  I mean, I feel like that could work for adults as well.
• 1:09:53
  Like if adults are heckling you after a show or after a trick close up or whatever,
• 1:09:58
  you probably still troll them by doing the same thing.
• 1:10:01
  I'm reading this book right now. I've been doing a lot of reading too.
• 1:10:04
  I'm reading this book, it's called The Let Them Theory,
• 1:10:08
  And it teaches you like just the simplest thing. So like, just let them,
• 1:10:12
  just let them, you know, let them, if people are doing the thing,
• 1:10:15
  just let them instead of taking it to heart or whatever, just let them.
• 1:10:18
  And like, it's easy to say, but when you say it to yourself,
• 1:10:22
  it's sometimes it takes two or three or four or five times.
• 1:10:24
  But if you say to yourself, it's just like, everybody's allowed to their opinion.
• 1:10:28
  Some people who dropped the coin.
• 1:10:30
  Oh, it was a sound effect. Who was playing with the coin?
• 1:10:34
  What are you working on, Josh? Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 1:10:42
  Yes uh good times guys thank
• 1:10:46
  you so much for coming on i can't believe like you thank you
• 1:10:49
  for finding time amongst this 65 shows in 60 days or whichever way around it
• 1:10:54
  is it's insane either way we have the links to follow these guys below although
• 1:10:59
  you already do follow them and look we can't wait to see this new venture and
• 1:11:03
  you know you have support of everyone here and if we can help in any way, let us know.
• 1:11:09
  But we love to finish the podcast by giving you guys the final word.
• 1:11:14
  And we're going to do that now. And we've ran a little bit over time,
• 1:11:17
  which we could just go for three more hours. But we're going to leave you guys with the final word.
• 1:11:22
  So thank you so much for coming on. And you guys follow them everywhere on the
• 1:11:25
  socials. And here is the final word.
• 1:11:30
  Do you want to go? I read a quote recently that I really liked and I highlighted
• 1:11:35
  it in one of the books and it was like sometimes you don't have to be the best
• 1:11:40
  you just have to be different
• 1:11:43
  not really that really resonated with me and sometimes
• 1:11:46
  we have this imposter syndrome especially in magic you know to
• 1:11:49
  be like oh it's not good enough or it's i can't do that or
• 1:11:52
  somebody's done it before but if you do it your own way you know it's going
• 1:11:56
  to be different so you don't always have to be the best just you know the quote
• 1:12:00
  is learn from the best do what they do best and make it your own is that what
• 1:12:04
  the code is i don't know i just made that up but it sounds good though it's
• 1:12:07
  really nice man that's a good final word yeah we'll see you next time.
• 1:12:12
  Thanks for listening it's time for us to disappear now but we'll see you again
• 1:12:19
  on the next episode of the magic guys.