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Its a Turnbuckles Christmas w/ Derrick Dukes · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Hey, what is up? Merry Christmas, everybody.
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  It's Turnbuckle and stogies coming to live here from Park
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  Lane to back actually recorded. What's up guys?
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  What's up? What's going on?
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  Right. We didn't get to play our intro.
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  Sorry guys. So, so we are here at Clark Lake
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  to back this. Good dog, the.
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  Vanilla Gorilla, the OG. And Mr. Kooth, I don't.
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  Care. What's up guys?
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  This is our Christmas episode of Turnbuckers and Soviets.
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  What is going on? Hope you're having a fantastic
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  day. Merry Christmas on behalf of
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  turnbuckers. And yes.
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  Top hat on. Don't touch that again.
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  Beard gone. So we are live here at at at
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  Park Lane to back in this and we're going to have a special
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  guest on right now that I've traveled the roads with.
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  So let's bring him in. The man himself, there he is.
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  There he is. There he is.
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  Merry Christmas. Merry.
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  Christmas guys. Merry Christmas, my brother.
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  So yo, so being that you texted me motherfucker, because.
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  Watch your language. Things happen.
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  Watch. Your language so.
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  He was trained out there with balls.
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  Mahoney OK. He was ECW Oriental and work for
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  Tony Rumble. So tell us a little bit about
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  yourself, Mr. Derek. Well, what he can do is tell us
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  when he's smoking 1st, and then we'll get into that.
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  See? See, we're missing the whole,
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  missing the whole thing. This guy's new.
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  He's never done this before. No, it's brand new at it.
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  I got you tonight. I am smoking the crema.
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  By Espanol. That's so good.
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  Nice smoke. This one happens to be the
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  Havana, which is really, really, really tight.
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  Really nice, puts flavor on that one.
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  Very cool. What do you guys guys light up
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  here? Well, I'm lighting up the
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  comfortably numb, the whole break cigar break, cigar.
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  I remember when this first came out, when I got it on cigar bid
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  when it came out and I have not been able to find it since.
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  And if I have, it's like certain shops only have one or two or
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  maybe 3, but they're held off to the side.
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  Yep, it's a great cigar. The creamy, it's a creamy cigar.
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  It's a good cigar. It's not super, it's not super
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  Maduro. It's really creamy and light,
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  but it's it it it packs a nice punch.
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  Nice and. I got my and produces a.
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  Lot of smoke I took. The took the wrapper operator.
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  This guy's a rookie, too. What are we going to do with
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  him, bro? It's a rookie.
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  Bro, what am I? Should I just do this myself
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  today? I think so.
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  Move it that way. Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to
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  just do it to myself because Jesus, I can't do nothing with
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  these. Two, you know, it's hard to you
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  know, I don't know how Santa does it with his beard.
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  Santa also doesn't smoke with his beard.
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  Santa smokes after Christmas. Trim it up and get rid of it I.
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  Don't know. I've seen some of those things.
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  You know, the kids put on the the news and they see Santa
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  flying through the air. I've seen him with a Espinosa
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  cigar before, so. Hey, listen, I mean, if he
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  smokes it, then I mean we have to smoke it.
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  Amen. So.
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  Derek. Yes, Sir.
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  Let's. Let's get to the point.
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  He he He is so let's. He I'll keep going here.
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  So I kind of, I kind of got the questions you're going to ask
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  but in a little quicker manner. So let's let's start with what
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  made you get into wrestling. Well, living two towns over from
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  malt. And you know, I lived in, I grew
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  up in Lynn, Mass. So Malden is where Tilikulsi
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  school was. Yes, OK.
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  Well, I knew a lot of. I knew a ton of guys that would
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  go into coalesi school and I'm the only time.
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  I think it was twice in New England, the N.W.A, the National
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  Wrestling Alliance from Atlanta, you know the Atlanta one, the
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  real one, Rick Flair and all them came to the Boston Garden
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  and I saw this big guy in the stands during intermission
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  shaking hands and and doing autographs.
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  So I walked up and introduced myself and just being an N.W.A
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  fan my whole life and who he was.
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  He told me about some events, you know the I what was it
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  called ICW back then when Kevin Sullivan and Tony Rumble ran
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  with with was it Ricky Santana? With Ricky Santana and them.
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  So I started going to every show and watching them all and and
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  then one time I bumped into Tony Rumble during a intermission and
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  I always said to him, I said, you know, how do I get involved
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  with this? And he goes, well, you just.
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  Ask. OK, that's.
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  That goes for everybody out there who wants to know how to
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  get in there. Now it's just it's the same
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  thing. The rules really haven't changed
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  much. And you can, you know, you can
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  correct me if I'm wrong, but I've the rules don't really
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  change. All you got to do now still is
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  just ask a simple question. They'll point you in the right
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  direction to a school that they might even have a school now.
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  You know, back then there weren't a ton of wrestling
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  schools back in the back in the day.
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  But of course Walters was over in Malden and all the real
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  wrestling schools choose the terminology.
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  Not that Walters wasn't a real wrestling school, because a lot
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  of great guys come out of there. A lot of stars came out of that.
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  One a lot of great guys come out of.
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  Philip Walshy School. But you know, you had to go down
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  South to get in. You had to go like down South or
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  over to Memphis to get into a wrestling school like down
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  South. You had Steve Kern, who was, you
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  know, he was a worker, but he was also a Booker for the
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  company. And Mike Graham.
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  Mike Graham ran all. Of Florida.
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  And Kern was also part of the the Midnight Express too, if
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  people don't know that. Well, no.
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  So so. Steve Kern started back in the
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  day when when he was doing the thing back then, but when he
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  went. Over to like.
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  Memphis and went over to working for the one in Atlanta.
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  Him and Stan Lane became the fabulous.
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  One, that's right, yes. And.
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  I I know a lot of stuff and I always get names mixed up.
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  It's very easy. To do.
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  But I mean you got to figure where they started over.
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  You know, Steve KREM was working for my Gram and then they went
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  over to work for Lawler. Well, not really Lawler, but it
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  was Lawler's company. But you know.
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  And then you, of course, you went over to Vern and the AWA,
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  which you had to be. You had to be the best to work
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  for Vern. You had to be the best for the
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  Awa it was. No, Out of the Awa, The Road
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  Warriors. Rick Rude, Curt Henning.
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  Exactly. I mean, you got to remember that
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  at one time, at one time, Rick Rude and Manny Fernandez held
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  the AWA World Tag Team champions.
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  Correct. You know, so you got to and then
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  you think about the fantastics and then you think about all the
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  tag teams. Now I'm a huge I'm a huge tag
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  team guy, huge tag team. I think more tag team matches
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  should be on TV. I'm a huge tag team guy that
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  like the way they. If the teams are placed together
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  right and sometimes those oddball pairings work out to be
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  great, you know that as well as I do.
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  And you've and you've seen it, you know, all through the years
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  when they put certain people together and they just work.
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  Yo so. It's so, so let me ask you this
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  question and I'm going to put this out there so so everybody
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  out of Killer Kowalski School has made it on on on all the
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  independence. I think there's one that hasn't
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  gotten his shine yet, and that's the last kid I think to come out
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  of Kowalski School, I think 10 years ago.
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  And that's what's JJ. Freddie, I think, is his name.
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  Oh, Jake, Freddy. Yeah, I think he's the the last
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  one I think that needs. I think he's the last one to be
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  able to you know get up onto a main company.
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  I think he's like he's it because I know he was the last.
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  He was the. Last unbelievable worker, that
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  kid. He he is, he's definitely, you
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  know, just a solid, great hand. But also remember back in the
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  day, because Walter worked for the WWF, when WWF would come to
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  town, when WF would come to town, they'd call Walter and go,
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  OK, I need guys for this. I need guys for that.
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  I need guys for this. That's how guys got on the
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  roster. You have people like Mike
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  Hollow. He got on the roster, you had
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  Tim Mcnini, you had these guys who went all the time and
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  Knuckles Nelson, All these guys went over to work for WWF
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  Triple. H Triple H started out in WCW as
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  terrorizing. Let's go.
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  Let's go back. To.
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  I mean, he had connections. Let's go back to Nelson and Tony
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  rumbles, Tony rumbles. Company.
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  Company. Let's go back Knuckles Nelson,
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  Tony Rumbles Company, where you and I have started, you know
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  what I mean? So.
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  Yeah, yeah. So you and I have started with
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  Knuckles Nelson, my man. He's Nelson.
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  Eric Frazier. Yes, Eric.
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  Frazier. Joel.
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  Joel. Yeah.
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  No, listen, man, the stories about that guy are just endless.
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  I've. I've heard they're all true.
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  And and what's the best part is, is he's also going to be a
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  future guest on this podcast. Oh, that was great.
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  That's going to be a that podcast is going to be great
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  along with this one. So, so let's go back to
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  Agnesburg, New York, OK? OK.
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  Where Agnesburg? Where everything happened in
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  Agnesburg. OK, so we going to Agnesburg.
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  So now. Well, we've we've.
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  We've heard your side, so why don't we let him tell his side
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  of that story now? So we did.
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  We did this awesome show and it was, it was pretty it was
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  actually a really good show. It was N.W.A New England show
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  and afterwards we all just kind of kicking it and I know that
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  from what I remember. I think big Dog and.
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  Joe went for a walk. Yeah.
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  Is that what we're going to call it now?
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  A walk? A walk.
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  It went for a walk and I think behind the building like where
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  they were, where the delivery stuff is, there was like this
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  the the truck and the guys were bringing all the boxes and
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  stuff. I think they were getting a
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  fresh delivery of of stuff for the week.
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  Like, it was like a like a brand new box truck.
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  They were bringing stuff out of the truck and putting it there.
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  Well, there was nobody around in the and there was a dumpster
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  kind of like, I mean kind of like diagonal from where they
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  were parked and all the boxes were stacked in front of the
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  fucking dumpster. It looked like trash.
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  I mean, one man's trash is another wrestler's treasure.
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  And it was our treasure. All I know is, is that is this
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  one's a noon over here and and freaking Joel come back and I
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  was like what the what? What do you call this like oh,
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  it was in the trash. We just grabbed it.
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  I'm like, this was in the trash. Yeah, it was in next to the
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  dump. All right.
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  So we drank. All.
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  And you know what's funny is I I know he could do it, but I
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  could. I could.
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  So see Joel's face. Yep, he's saying it.
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  It it was in the trash, buddy. Don't worry about it, buddy.
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  It was in the trash. It was next to the dumpster.
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  We thought it was. Trash.
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  We looked in the boxes. We picked him up.
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  We. Brought him to the boy.
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  Worried about it? Yeah.
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  Wait, wait. Hold on.
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  Oh God, hold on. Derek, It was in the trash,
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  buddy. It.
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  Was in the trash. I could.
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  See, Tony Rubble comes over and goes.
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  Your boss, he goes, that was in the trash.
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  I'm like, yeah, it was in the trash.
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  He goes, OK, so how many more we got?
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  I said as much as you want. No.
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  Box after box after. Oh my God, guys were taking
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  stuff and put it in their gimmick bag and bringing it.
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  Home. I mean, listen, it's part of the
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  gimmicks. Part of the.
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  Gimmicks listen. I saw just like just like when I
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  do shows now I saw this is in the gimmick bag at the hotel
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  waiting for me. This is at these are in the.
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  Listen, I don't I don't smoke up until the match.
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  Every match is over. If I'm scheduled, let's just say
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  the show is on 1/4 that week or week and a half before.
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  I'll stop smoking and I'll wait and then once that match is
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  over. Guess what?
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  I'll go outside. And I'll smoke or I'll wait
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  right until I get back to the hotel.
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  You know, after you kiss the baby, sign the autographs, take
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  the pictures, you know, all the fun stuff.
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  Make the gimmick go, everything. Then you go back to the hotel,
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  you grab yourself a cigar, you cut it, you light it and you
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  hang it outside. That's what I did after the
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  first match. That's what you do.
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  Back to the hotel, I lit up a very nice cigar and I enjoyed
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  the the debut night as I still wound down.
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  And then I felt it three or four days later and my diaphragm hurt
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  for about two weeks because you know, you know you you've ran
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  with him. I'm I'm a little school box up
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  here. I'm not all there.
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  I gotcha. So we I I take the first bump
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  that I take isn't even in the ring.
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  The first bump I take is when the dude runs across the apron
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  and lawn darts himself and I hit the concrete floor, elbow 1st
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  and shoulder first. Then I went to get up and
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  because we didn't get to the back fast enough, he was already
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  back there. So the kid looks and I go and I
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  go kick me, tighten up. He kicks me.
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  I felt it and my my stomach muscles hurt.
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  You know, they hurt for about a week.
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  Everything laughing hurt, everything hurt.
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  But I'll tell you what, I would have did it all over again the
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  next day if I would have been asked to.
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  Amen, brother, but we do. I would do it all.
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  Over the. Next day I people said, would
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  you do it over again? I said if I got a phone call
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  right now and they said to me I need you down in North Carolina
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  by tomorrow night, guess what? We're on the road.
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  Back in my bag and I'm out. See you later.
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  Bye. We're on the road.
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  You better believe it. And that's kind of what I'm
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  doing now, you know, not only with, with the podcast, with
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  wrestling with him, you know, with.
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  I also travel now with A tag team that has appearance deals
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  with the N.W.A. They're they're local guys by
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  me. They're good friends of mine.
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  They've been all over. And you know, he called me one
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  day, goes, listen, I've been driving by myself.
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  You want to ride with me because his, his partner rides with his,
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  with his family. I'm like, yeah, let's go.
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  I mean, I jump in the car. I've been to Jersey, I've been
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  up to up here somewhere in Albany.
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  I went to AI, was supposed to go to Amsterdam last week.
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  I got to go back out in in January.
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  I'm scheduled with him to ride all the way out to barnegate out
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  by the shore in Jersey. And then I got to go to I'm
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  supposed to go to Outlaw Wrestling on the 29th of this
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  month in Elmsford at Captain Lawrence Brewing.
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  That's a fucking ride. You better make sure the cigars
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  are lit. I don't know when he's in my
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  car. I don't smoke.
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  I smoke with. Him in my car.
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  Yeah, he's he's, he's a every occasional smoker.
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  Like, you know, if it's a special occasion, he'll ask me
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  what I have. Like, there was a few times I
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  was, I was with him and he was like, what do you have for me?
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  He goes, I want a cigar. I'm like, well, what do you
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  want? Right.
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  And then I was like, all right, you know what?
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  You don't smoke that much. So take this, Take this, take.
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  I gave him like four or five. I'm like, here, go share him
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  with your friends. Have fun.
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  Give him something, Connecticut. Give him something like.
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  Yeah, OG has. A question, so I'm gonna turn it
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  over to this guy here with the weird pom pom on his hat.
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  Hey, I like that. Oh, Santa's balls on your head.
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  All right. At least, at least they're not
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  on your chin. He needs them back next.
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  Week. At least they're not on his
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  chin. So, Gary.
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  That's another show. That's for another website.
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  Different website got to be 18 or older.
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  Click. Subscribe to 99.
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  Derek, it's me, the OG. I'm Dennis, by the way.
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  I listen, I, I hooked up with these guys here on Instagram.
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  Probably a year ago now, right? Something like that.
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  Something like that and. My condolences.
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  I'm just a wrestling fan. I'm a cigar affectionato, just
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  we kind of hooked up on the podcast and met in person for
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  the first time. Like I said about a year ago and
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  ever since then we've been, these guys are my best friends
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  and we're having a blast doing it.
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  So I want to I'm saying that because it's great having you on
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  to get a another wrestler's perspective of things.
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  So my first question is, how long have you known?
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  That guy. Holy shit.
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  And she. Said that?
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  No, listen, he answered. Said that?
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  He answered with the Holy shit. That's how you know it's been
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  cool. So.
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  How? He said.
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  That he said that. So how long have you known?
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  How how long have you known a big dog?
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  And tell me one of your best stories of.
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  Well, sorry, the best stories that went in New York when we
• 18:09
  had the case. The case of the cricket, the.
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  One in Ogdensburg, and they stole the cases of beer.
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  That's the that's literally that is the best and and that was a
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  shoot that was a total shoot. We we, it was.
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  Yeah. Hold on.
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  The stories I've heard over the years of about.
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  Him And so Derek, I just want, I would just want our viewers to
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  kind of know understand your relationship, how long you've
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  known him and how you know being on the road together and all
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  that kind of jazz, a little bit of background about you, you 2
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  together. So you know, especially growing
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  up in New England, you always had great wrestling in New
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  England. Like I said, with Killer
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  Kowalski being around and all his guys coming out, I was very,
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  very fortunate to go to an indie show that Tony and Kevin
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  Sullivan were running. At the time.
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  It was in Lynn, right around the corner from my house.
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  So I remember going there and remember introducing myself to
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  Tony and introducing myself to Kevin.
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  And as a matter of fact, to this day, I'm still like great
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  friends with Ricky Santana. We actually hang out a lot in
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  Tamper and smoke. Cigars.
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  So I would say, holy shit, early 90s, early 90s, yeah, yeah
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  'cause, I mean we've been, I went for.
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  For I can't tell you how long people don't realize that me and
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  Derek Deuce shout out to my man D3.
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  You heard shout out to my man D3.
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  Right there. Listen, we've been friends for
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  so long. That joke, remember, remember
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  when, when when I came there, when I came, when I came to
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  N.W.A. And Tony goes, Tony goes, he
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  goes, you're not wearing that stuff.
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  I was like, why he goes, he goes, now we're going to change
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  you to the Moon Dogs, he goes, we're going to change you to the
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  Moon Dogs. I was like, what do you mean,
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  Tony? He goes.
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  Get yourself a fucking shirt that's cut off he goes.
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  Get everything, he goes. Get the IT was a cut.
• 20:31
  It was the cut shirt, the overalls.
• 20:35
  It was something. It was another gimmick that he
• 20:36
  wanted you to have because the 90s were all about gimmick the
• 20:40
  dog. Bone.
• 20:40
  That dog the bone. Yeah, that's what it was, the
• 20:42
  dog bone. Yes, I will say you know and
• 20:45
  it's funny you bring that up because you know when the
• 20:48
  opportunity you know came for me to wrestle with him, he changed
• 20:53
  up his gimmick. And you know I can't lie.
• 20:55
  Me being the the kid I was you know watching him wrestle in the
• 21:00
  ripped up Jean shorts, the cut off shirt, you know, the dog
• 21:04
  bone. That's what I wanted him to come
• 21:05
  out as I did. I'm not going to I'm not going
• 21:08
  to sit here and say I didn't you know the the kid in me wanted to
• 21:11
  team with the the guy that you know I watched growing up.
• 21:15
  You know what? And and I understand and I I
• 21:18
  listen, I get it. You got to move with the times
• 21:20
  you got to you know you got to adapt.
• 21:24
  But I think me being me, you know, being the the kid I am the
• 21:28
  the guy that was around him all those years.
• 21:31
  You know that's the that's the character that I knew and that's
• 21:35
  what I wanted to to come out with me.
• 21:38
  We. Were.
• 21:38
  Yep. For Connecticut, right.
• 21:41
  So Remember, Remember when Jim Cornette was there, right?
• 21:46
  And Wild Garden, OK, right? So, so my wife says, hello, is
• 21:54
  Dave there? And they go, who's Dave?
• 21:57
  And they go Big Dog. Look, he's laughing.
• 22:02
  They're like, they're like, who's who's Dave?
• 22:05
  And then like my husband and they're like, oh, sure, let me
• 22:12
  figure that out. And Jim turns around and Jim
• 22:15
  goes, you talking about Big Dog. And they go, yeah, we're talking
• 22:20
  about Big Dog. And they go, Oh yeah, he's up in
• 22:22
  the locker room. I was with Bundy, Snooker and
• 22:27
  all those guys and all of a sudden I'm like, it's like, yo,
• 22:35
  Dave, your wife is looking for you wife's.
• 22:39
  Looking. For me, they're like, yeah,
• 22:42
  they're like, she asked for Dave.
• 22:45
  Brother, I've known you for 30 years.
• 22:46
  I've never called you, Dave. Ever.
• 22:51
  Never. I've known you for 30 years.
• 22:53
  I've never called you by your first name.
• 22:55
  No, it's we brought up Ogdensburg and and Joel because
• 22:59
  guess who just texted me while I'm sitting here to send me his,
• 23:01
  his comedy video that he posted on Instagram.
• 23:08
  And I said, yo, by the way, I said we're filming with we're
• 23:11
  filming with Derek. I said, you know we're filming
• 23:14
  with D3. He goes, oh that's awesome.
• 23:15
  He goes, I said we just told the story about Ogdensburg.
• 23:18
  He goes, no, did you really? He goes, oh, I can't wait to
• 23:20
  watch that one. So Derek, on that note we're
• 23:27
  going to take a a break and we're.
• 23:29
  Going to take a quick. Break.
• 23:30
  That's all we need to know. And of course.
• 23:32
  Don't go anywhere. Don't go.
• 23:34
  We'll be we'll be right back we'll.
• 23:36
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• 24:14
  I want to thank Turnbuckles and Stokies for promoting us on
• 24:17
  their program and back to them at MBR Radio.
• 24:34
  All right. Hey, everybody.
• 24:35
  We are back turnbuckles and stogies.
• 24:37
  We got our special guest here, Derek Dukes.
• 24:41
  What's up, Derek? What's up, baby boy?
• 24:43
  Listen, I can't thank you again enough for jumping on here.
• 24:47
  This is fantastic. I I have been a wrestling fan
• 24:50
  all my life. I tell you though, when I got
• 24:53
  hooked was when I was about 8 years old and I I don't remember
• 24:59
  what promotion was came in, but it came into a little place
• 25:02
  called the Mechanicville City Center, right in downtown
• 25:05
  Mechanicville at that time, population 4000, you know what I
• 25:09
  mean? You know that that big?
• 25:13
  But I got to see. I got to see these guys live and
• 25:16
  in person. And of course, the very first
• 25:17
  wrestler that comes up to me is of course Big John Studd.
• 25:21
  And that dude's hand was the size of my body.
• 25:24
  It wasn't even. It was, it was not right.
• 25:27
  And there was just Tony Atlas was mind boggling.
• 25:32
  What a huge. Oh, now, now let me.
• 25:34
  Back in the 80s. Let me tell you, I'm sure Derek
• 25:36
  has some stories. Let's just say TA in person is
• 25:41
  an absolute sweetheart and. Funny.
• 25:44
  As can be. I met him in person for the
• 25:48
  first time in the 2300 arena. I did finds.
• 25:52
  We did, me and him. We did Feinstein's Icons of
• 25:55
  Wrestling. Oh, excellent.
• 25:58
  Great team we brought in, got local guys.
• 26:01
  Buff Bagwell was actually sitting next to us, by the way,
• 26:04
  again. Another another sweet.
• 26:05
  Sweetheart of a man. I mean me and him sat there and
• 26:08
  you know I can say for the first time in a long time you know he
• 26:13
  was one of the guys that I I marked out for but not marked
• 26:18
  out to the fact of like oh I need an autograph marked out
• 26:21
  more for the for the stories. You know brothers next to each
• 26:25
  other and just, you know, had conversations and and we're just
• 26:29
  talking about Japan. Yep, brother.
• 26:31
  Let me let me tell you something.
• 26:33
  We all started. We all started as marks.
• 26:36
  I don't see what I don't care what Any.
• 26:38
  No, no, no, no, no. No.
• 26:41
  No. No, I don't care what.
• 26:43
  I don't care what anyone says. Don't care what anyone says.
• 26:46
  Listen, you were in the crowd watching wrestling.
• 26:49
  You know and and that's and I've always said you know and even
• 26:52
  the guys now that I ride with always say you can't lose that.
• 26:55
  You know I I again you came up in that I came up you know
• 26:59
  around you guys growing up. So I was always told you know
• 27:03
  try not to you know mark out and take pictures with these guys
• 27:06
  and stuff like that. I was always told.
• 27:08
  That old school, old school. That's just the way that I was
• 27:11
  brought up, you know. Now I did a show up here and Jay
• 27:14
  Lethal was up here. One of my best friends.
• 27:17
  One of my best friends. When I was up at the promotion
• 27:20
  the the dynasty up here, they had Jay up here doing an
• 27:23
  appearance. Great people, good people
• 27:25
  walking. Around.
• 27:26
  And I kind of stood there and the guy I was riding was like,
• 27:28
  yo, why didn't you go get a picture?
• 27:30
  I said could I said that was the way I was.
• 27:32
  He goes, listen, he goes, you know what?
• 27:34
  He goes, it's too short to not have these memories.
• 27:37
  He goes 100%, you know, so like I have a picture.
• 27:43
  Of. No, no, no.
• 27:45
  I have a picture from the first show that I did from when I when
• 27:49
  I debuted and it's me, it's me, him, my dad magic and crazy
• 27:59
  Ivan. You know and just to be in that
• 28:03
  picture you know with and I I say this because of you know
• 28:09
  what they've done icons and and legends of the the independent
• 28:13
  scene. Just believe it.
• 28:15
  Who did in that picture? And to be able to say I wrestled
• 28:18
  with him, I wrestled on the same card as Magic as as Crazy Ivan,
• 28:22
  you know, it was, it was cool for me, you know.
• 28:25
  And even Crazy Ivan reconnected through a local promoter by us
• 28:29
  'cause he booked Crazy Ivan and he he was looking at me.
• 28:33
  He goes, that's I was like, you know, not that and not I just
• 28:37
  didn't know who he was. I was too young at the time to
• 28:38
  know who he was. So he's like, that's Ivan.
• 28:42
  I'm like, OK, I'm like, I don't know who that is.
• 28:46
  It wasn't a knock on him or nothing.
• 28:47
  I was just young at the time to know who that was.
• 28:50
  You know, growing up, I didn't know who he was now.
• 28:52
  So we got to do commentary that night on the show that they did
• 28:56
  in the mall. And the match that ironically we
• 28:59
  got to call was crazy Ivan's match at sea.
• 29:04
  You know, I kind of said to him, I'm like, I'm just going to let
• 29:07
  this, you know, I I commentated here and there.
• 29:10
  But, you know, I was like, when it came to Ivan, I kind of did
• 29:13
  the, you know, that's crazy Ivan.
• 29:14
  I'm like, hey, didn't you wrestle with him for a long
• 29:16
  time? I said, I'll let you talk about
• 29:18
  him. And I called the little, you
• 29:21
  know, I called the spots here and there.
• 29:22
  But I just kind of let him. I'm like, that's your guy.
• 29:25
  You know him well enough. You talk about him, talk him,
• 29:29
  talk him up, do what you have to do to make these people love
• 29:31
  him. At the end of the day, you.
• 29:33
  Know, you know, Crazy Ivan. Just like I do, this
• 29:38
  motherfucker comes out here. I actually have the the pitcher.
• 29:42
  Yes, he comes out here like, yo, I'm the man.
• 29:47
  Like he his. I will say you know his his
• 29:51
  gimmick is is absolutely fantastic.
• 29:54
  I mean, from top to bottom, you know he is.
• 29:58
  He keeps that kayfabe from the time he hits that curtain until
• 30:04
  the time he walks back through. 100%.
• 30:07
  You know and and to see that that's still a thing.
• 30:13
  You know, I mean obviously it's it's always going to be a thing.
• 30:15
  But to see that there are still guys that carry that from start
• 30:20
  to finish, at least until they walk back in the curtain.
• 30:22
  And then when you go back out, you know whether it's it's
• 30:25
  gimmicks or it's pitchers or it's anything.
• 30:27
  You still have that that gimmick whether you're in street clothes
• 30:30
  or not, that's still kind of you keep that from start to.
• 30:33
  Finish you're you're still. You're still who you are to the
• 30:36
  people who see you. Correct so.
• 30:39
  Derek, I got another question for you.
• 30:40
  Please. I've asked, I've asked Big Dog,
• 30:42
  and I asked Shelly the same question.
• 30:44
  That very first time that you come through the curtain.
• 30:48
  Can you put it in words? No, I and you know, it's funny.
• 30:53
  It's obviously a rush, right? It's your mind.
• 30:58
  Your mind just goes blank because you're playing a
• 31:00
  Persona. So if you're standing, you're
• 31:03
  standing in Gorilla and you're waiting and your music hits and
• 31:07
  you become the person who you have been working your ass off
• 31:12
  in the professional recording business to be, and when the
• 31:14
  crowd listen, if they do you, you're doing your job.
• 31:18
  If they cheer you, you're doing your job.
• 31:21
  If you come out and no one does anything, you better change your
• 31:23
  shit up because you need not doing something right.
• 31:25
  You know absolutely and and to attest to what you're saying,
• 31:29
  you know. Is is the thing, Derek.
• 31:33
  So you and I, we've been through this business for 30 years.
• 31:38
  Yep. OK, 30 years.
• 31:41
  My son. My son right here.
• 31:45
  This is the This is the new Untouchables.
• 31:49
  The legacy. You know, and I I kind of, I
• 31:52
  said to him, I said, listen, whether how long this lasts or
• 31:54
  not, I knew his partner very well, Dino, I've known his.
• 31:59
  So I called his son. I said, listen, it's Justin.
• 32:02
  I got it. I said I'm asking you out of
• 32:04
  respect. I said we want to use that same
• 32:07
  name. I said I'm calling you, you
• 32:10
  know, to get your blessing. I said I'm never going to fill
• 32:12
  your father's shoes. I said, and I don't plan to by
• 32:14
  any means. I said because again, you know
• 32:17
  the that tag team has had three incarnations.
• 32:20
  It's been the original, which was him and Dino as the
• 32:25
  Untouchables. Then it was him and Dino's son,
• 32:29
  the product. Justin, for the second
• 32:31
  incarnation, and now it's me. You know, I I don't plan to.
• 32:37
  I don't plan to, you know, fill that void.
• 32:40
  And I said, I'm never going to fill your father's footsteps.
• 32:42
  I said, and I also have too much respect for your father to, you
• 32:46
  know, try to be that guy. I said, am I going to absolutely
• 32:50
  take it and run with it and give it my, you know, 110?
• 32:53
  Percent and set that bitch on fire.
• 32:55
  Yes. If you and if you don't you're
• 32:57
  doing something wrong. You know and and you can you
• 33:00
  know and and like we said before about the the coming through the
• 33:02
  curtain you know I was at barn smoker in PA last year and the
• 33:10
  guy that's a a good friend of ours is also very good friends
• 33:14
  with Gene Snitsky. I love Gene.
• 33:17
  I love Gene. So Gene came, you know, we were
• 33:19
  getting ready to leave. And he goes, well, Gene's
• 33:21
  coming. I said, all right, well, if
• 33:23
  Gene's coming, you know, I'll, I'll stay and hang out.
• 33:26
  You know, it's my first time meeting him.
• 33:27
  But you know, I didn't. Oh, man.
• 33:29
  Now we sat there, we had a regular conversation, you know,
• 33:33
  and we talked about, because I said I've gotten this question a
• 33:36
  lot, the same question. We were just talking about it.
• 33:37
  When you walk through that curtain, he goes, you can't
• 33:40
  explain it to somebody who's not, you know, he said.
• 33:45
  You could be running on ass, low level fumes, empty, your body
• 33:50
  could be hurt. But guess what music?
• 33:53
  The minute that music hits and you hit that aisle.
• 33:55
  Yes, 100% and that's it. Just hold on.
• 33:59
  It it probably doesn't come anywhere close in the sense of
• 34:02
  wrestling because obviously I I never wrestled, never aspired to
• 34:06
  be a wrestler. I've told these guys I've always
• 34:08
  wanted to be a manager. That was always my dream to be a
• 34:12
  wrestling manager. But on the sense of coming out
• 34:14
  of the curtain, the closest I've ever come was my high school
• 34:18
  team played the state championship at Cooperstown at
• 34:20
  Double Day Field. That was a baseball fan to me,
• 34:24
  That cathedral, that was amazing.
• 34:26
  That's your cathedral. That was my yeah, 100.
• 34:30
  Percent coming down coming down that tiny little gravel tunnel
• 34:34
  out into double day field would an an experience that I can't
• 34:39
  really put into word. No, it would.
• 34:41
  It really was like church at a whole different level coming.
• 34:46
  Up. No.
• 34:46
  And I I can attest to that. Even having played football for
• 34:49
  so many years, you know, and that walk from, if you're
• 34:54
  playing at home at the high school, right, we have no tunnel
• 34:56
  going out. That walk from the time you walk
• 35:01
  out of those gym doors, out of the locker room and you walk to
• 35:06
  that field is the same way to me as hitting, getting to that
• 35:14
  curtain, hearing my music hit and walking through.
• 35:17
  So. Walk that.
• 35:19
  Out, baby. And that's exactly, you know how
• 35:21
  I took it? Because you know, and and like
• 35:23
  you said, if they're booing you, you're doing your job.
• 35:25
  If they're cheering, you're doing your job.
• 35:27
  We debuted in that company. I I don't know if you happen to
• 35:30
  watch the video, 'cause there was no OK, so the entrance
• 35:33
  wasn't there. Our music hit.
• 35:38
  We've never worked for this company.
• 35:40
  We've never shown face in this company.
• 35:42
  We've never done a run in. We were new guys that music hit
• 35:47
  and within seconds they booed us.
• 35:50
  You're doing your job. And I grabbed him.
• 35:53
  And I and you know this as well as I do, when that music hits,
• 35:56
  you want to walk right through. I grabbed him like by the bottom
• 36:00
  of his shirt. And I just went, yo, I said just
• 36:03
  listen. I said take 5 seconds and
• 36:05
  listen. Give it a.
• 36:06
  Give it a second. And he listened.
• 36:08
  Listen. Go.
• 36:10
  Listen, he went, oh shit, I was like, Yep.
• 36:14
  Oh yeah, now. Now I've seen video.
• 36:18
  I've seen video of that match. This man is a big man.
• 36:21
  I I'm, I'm going to do a real quick story.
• 36:23
  So the first time I met these guys again, it was on Instagram.
• 36:26
  Never met him in person. Finally went down.
• 36:29
  They invited me to their home. I went down and met them.
• 36:31
  He's sitting down when I get there.
• 36:33
  Watch comes up. You know how it works with tall
• 36:35
  guys in the business, Derek A. Formal introduce or whatever.
• 36:38
  I come over and I I go to shake his hand.
• 36:40
  He stands up and I'm like. Oh shit, that's like the David
• 36:46
  and Goliath stared down to the room like a young story because.
• 36:50
  Now I'm watching the video of his match.
• 36:52
  I hear about his match, how he takes his opponent and launches
• 36:55
  him over the top row. What he didn't tell me was he
• 36:58
  didn't just launch him. He put him on the fucking space
• 37:01
  shuttle and I'm sure his head bounced off the ceiling.
• 37:04
  Now now you know. I was like, Oh my God, he's
• 37:08
  going to the kids, going to die. Now, now you know Derek and you
• 37:12
  can say this as well as I do, you know, and I've I've had,
• 37:15
  I've said this to these guys and he knows obviously, because he's
• 37:18
  the one that taught me everything.
• 37:19
  I know. You know, I've had people watch
• 37:21
  that match back and go, dude, you really do command that ring.
• 37:25
  Like you've been there for, you know, 20 years.
• 37:28
  I'm like, but that's the way I was brought up.
• 37:30
  I said, you know, I got in that ring.
• 37:33
  I said, and I'm not going to lie, I felt at home.
• 37:37
  I said I I got right in between those ropes when it was my time
• 37:41
  to drag in. And I said I I felt like that's
• 37:46
  where I belonged. That was my home.
• 37:49
  And you knew you were there. I I knew it was like, you know,
• 37:53
  you know, and and I don't know if it's just me, but you know
• 37:56
  when you're standing on the outside waiting for that tag,
• 37:59
  whether it's your first match or a company you're just coming
• 38:01
  into that nerve is there. That nerve is like this, you
• 38:06
  know. So I got that tag and it was
• 38:09
  like I got in that ring and I just looked, I looked for a
• 38:11
  second, I said OK, it's Showtime.
• 38:14
  Time to. Go to work.
• 38:15
  And that's and I said to somebody else, that's literally
• 38:18
  what it is. I said they go, yeah, but how
• 38:20
  does it feel? I said you walk into that
• 38:22
  building before the show. I said you punched the clock.
• 38:25
  I said you do your match. I said, And you punch out.
• 38:27
  I said that's it. I.
• 38:29
  Said. It's just like a regular job, I
• 38:31
  said. Except I get paid to beat people
• 38:33
  up. Right.
• 38:34
  And but you know, yeah, I said I get paid to beat people up for
• 38:37
  fun and we all have a great time afterwards.
• 38:40
  So you know and that kid and and you know you know how when
• 38:46
  you're in the back and you're talking stuff over hey listen
• 38:49
  you're going to do I'm going to do this to you.
• 38:50
  This guy's going to do this to you you know and and he's going
• 38:53
  to do this. So the original, the original
• 38:56
  plan and I've I've said this numerous times over Instagram
• 38:59
  lives to many different people. If I didn't tell you what I'm
• 39:02
  going to tell you you think that was regular spot.
• 39:04
  That kid was supposed to go up for a powerbomb after he
• 39:08
  powerbombed him. That kid was supposed to go up
• 39:11
  for a powerbomb, if you'll watch.
• 39:14
  When I lifted him, I lifted him straight up and then he tried to
• 39:18
  get fancy and go over me, so and it just a natural reaction.
• 39:26
  I catch him and I catch him in the razor's edge.
• 39:30
  Oh, except I looked at him and I was like, bro, tuck your chin,
• 39:37
  you're going for a ride. I said I got to give them
• 39:39
  something high impact and I felt bad because I I thought
• 39:44
  honestly, and I'm not going to lie, I I've said this to people.
• 39:47
  I wasn't sure if he was hurt or not.
• 39:49
  I said, but thankfully he knew to take that bump very high.
• 39:53
  I said because if he didn't know anything and he was green like I
• 39:57
  was and didn't know what he was doing, you know, he or he was
• 40:00
  just new, he wouldn't have known how to take that.
• 40:03
  Right. Thankfully that kid, you know, I
• 40:06
  did walk over to him because I I backed in the corner with him
• 40:09
  and I'm like, holy shit, I think I just killed this kid because
• 40:13
  you see that your first instinct is, oh shit, I broke his neck.
• 40:17
  His neck is broken. I was over to him.
• 40:20
  Tell us about your first match again, Tony Rumble.
• 40:24
  Will go to that. Tell us about how you yourself
• 40:30
  got into the rest of the world. And then moved over just cigars.
• 40:36
  So working for Tony, which was awesome.
• 40:38
  Learning the basic look, not, not even the basics.
• 40:40
  Learning everything about the ring.
• 40:42
  Learning to be the ring general and learning this and teaching
• 40:46
  that. Listening to, listening to the
• 40:48
  guys who have been there, you know, listen to people like
• 40:50
  Jason Rumble, Listen to people like Slick Wagner, Brown, Luis
• 40:56
  Ortiz, You know, you listen to the guys who are right there and
• 41:01
  you and you listen to the thing. And of course, I was really 100%
• 41:06
  lucky that the day that I was going to do my first match, Taz
• 41:12
  and Tommy Dreamer happened to be there.
• 41:15
  The Human suplex machine, but he.
• 41:17
  Wasn't Taz. He was the Tasmaniac, right?
• 41:21
  So listening to them and listening to them talk and then
• 41:23
  of course getting to know them and listening to them what they
• 41:29
  do and how they do their thing. So I was, I was a a fucking, I
• 41:34
  was a a mess because it's my first, OK, we're going to go out
• 41:37
  there in front of people and it was nerve wracking, but it's
• 41:43
  scary nerve wracking. But the minute you, the minute I
• 41:47
  hit that aisle and they didn't know who I was, but of course in
• 41:50
  the Indies they either cheer or Boo the shit out of people,
• 41:53
  well, I got cheered. I got cheered, which I was like,
• 41:55
  OK, whatever. And I happened to be playing the
• 41:59
  heel at the time. Well, in case you couldn't
• 42:04
  guess, my first match was also playing a heel just just because
• 42:07
  I had a mouthpiece to walk out before me playing.
• 42:11
  The heel. I was supposed to be the I was
• 42:14
  supposed to be the heel. And then they clap you like
• 42:16
  you're a babyface. Then the babyface comes out.
• 42:18
  Now you got to be an asshole. So now you poke fun and you use
• 42:23
  thumbs and you do shit and you do that.
• 42:25
  I remember going out back after my first match and they they
• 42:28
  were like, OK, well do this instead of this, do this instead
• 42:31
  of this, do that instead of that, do this instead of that
• 42:34
  and listening every time and every time.
• 42:36
  So getting to excuse the terminology ring, Ross, because
• 42:41
  I I didn't have any Ross. I just didn't know what the hell
• 42:43
  I was doing. But learning and taking bumps
• 42:48
  and it was great because Taz and Dreamer talked to me very well.
• 42:53
  So that's when they were like, hey, listen, you know we do our
• 42:55
  thing over here in in in Pennsylvania if you want to stop
• 42:59
  by, love to. Absolutely.
• 43:03
  So I drive to Pennsylvania to the ECW Arena, not the 2300,
• 43:08
  whatever the fuck it is. I it's it's always going to be
• 43:12
  ECW Arena on the corner of Swanson.
• 43:15
  I mean 1997 to 2001. I worked for that company.
• 43:18
  I I. They introduced me to Paul
• 43:20
  Heyman, and Paul Heyman took a liking to me, introduced me to
• 43:25
  Pauls Mahoney and Chris Candido, who happened to be collegiate
• 43:29
  rustlers. Candido.
• 43:31
  He's another one gone too soon. And I remember that I was in.
• 43:37
  I was in, I was in Jersey and Candido and and John, excuse me,
• 43:43
  balls lived in Jersey. And I remember taking bumps in
• 43:46
  Candido's backyard in this Oh my God, this ring was like.
• 43:53
  Candy but. Hang on.
• 43:55
  I gotta. I gotta.
• 43:56
  Just my neck. Hang on.
• 43:57
  Hold. You gotta.
• 43:57
  Crack that neck. You oh crack.
• 44:00
  That neck, right. 'Cause Candido's ring was just
• 44:03
  like taking bumps on on concrete.
• 44:06
  I did that and taking anything from John, from balls and taking
• 44:11
  anything from ball. And he was an unbelievable
• 44:13
  worker. And I remember my first time I
• 44:19
  did a dark match at the ECW Arena and I went up against.
• 44:25
  Coschetti. Oh, he's he's another talent.
• 44:29
  That is just it. Trained by Dad.
• 44:32
  Trained in the Dojo. He's making his in ring return
• 44:35
  for Creative Pro in Long Island. Wow.
• 44:38
  Oh, he's been out a long time. 10 years.
• 44:43
  He's what Brian Myers is a big ECW guy and he's friends with a
• 44:46
  lot of those guys. Yep.
• 44:48
  I think that that's just cool that he's Yep back to do a a a
• 44:52
  fight. Now the question is, does he
• 44:54
  stay or does he do this one last match and ride off?
• 44:58
  I mean you you have a lot of guys like for instance Brian
• 45:01
  Blue Meanie I love I love Brian I love blue and he he doesn't
• 45:07
  want to bump anymore I. Don't blame him.
• 45:09
  No, I don't either. Well, because you can talk about
• 45:13
  brother. I still have.
• 45:14
  It's going to make you laugh. He's about to retire, by the
• 45:16
  way. I'm going to be 50 in two weeks.
• 45:19
  I still have the same doctor that I had when I was wrestling
• 45:23
  in the 90s. That's.
• 45:24
  Cool. And he told me straight out
• 45:27
  because I was out, I I was out a lot in ECW because they kicked
• 45:31
  the shit out of you in ECW they do, but.
• 45:35
  That's how they that's how they know if you can deal with them
• 45:37
  or not. That's how they know if you can
• 45:38
  do it. So do you guys remember Big Sal?
• 45:41
  Oh, Big Sally Graziano. So, so Sal, we went to the arena
• 45:48
  one night, one afternoon and Spike and I were in the ring.
• 45:52
  We're screwing around with with 911.
• 45:55
  We were. And because you know Spike,
• 45:57
  Spike was 135 lbs. The only one freaking fool used
• 46:01
  Spike was a little shit. Oh, Spike was Spike was small
• 46:03
  and 911 was fucking awesome and he was a monster.
• 46:07
  So we were fucking around 911. And so the ball balls gets in
• 46:13
  the ring and we're doing the thing, so Sal gets in.
• 46:16
  So that night at the arena they were going to do, they started,
• 46:20
  they were going to do this gimmick where the little guy's
• 46:23
  going to come in and kick the shit out of the big guys.
• 46:27
  Spike and I hit the ring and that in that afternoon we were
• 46:30
  doing Spike's acid drop to the big guys.
• 46:36
  So Sal gets in the ring and he bruh when I tell you he put the
• 46:40
  boots to me. Oh, like I said, every time I
• 46:46
  think about ECW, I was there for five years.
• 46:48
  I have to, I'll. Take it over to UOG and then
• 46:52
  I'll I'll tie up with him. So so.
• 46:54
  Derek, I got one question we're going to, I want you to think
• 46:57
  about this. We're going to take one last
• 46:58
  final break, but I want you to think about this question before
• 47:01
  you go to break. When you come back, you
• 47:03
  mentioned Paul Heyman, my all time favorite.
• 47:06
  Evil fucking genius is Yes I. Mean.
• 47:09
  He's beyond genius. I I can't even put it in words.
• 47:12
  But anyway, before we go to break, I want you to think about
• 47:16
  this, this question. What is the one piece of advice
• 47:19
  that Paul Heyman gave you that sticks with you to this day and
• 47:24
  is instrumental in your career, throughout your career.
• 47:30
  So one piece of advice that Paul Heyman gave you, we're going to
• 47:32
  take a quick break, we'll be back and I can't wait to hear
• 47:35
  your answer. Let's.
• 47:36
  Take quiet. Fashion.
• 47:38
  That's the show for today everyone.
• 47:40
  Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with an
• 47:43
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• 47:45
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• 47:49
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• 48:00
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  And we're back. We are back.
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  All right. So Paul Heyman piece of advice
• 48:53
  that he gave you that just stuck with you and with instrumental.
• 48:57
  So after my first match with Spike and all them, I remember
• 49:00
  going out back and I was just destroyed because Sal and 911
• 49:05
  beat the shit out of us. And I'm thinking to myself
• 49:10
  because I I mean they, I had two cracked ribs, yeah.
• 49:16
  Those don't feel very easy. No.
• 49:18
  And never mind breathing or laughing or even taking a drink,
• 49:21
  anything. So I remember I was over in the
• 49:23
  corner and I was just like trying to, trying to take deep
• 49:26
  breaths because I just, I couldn't breathe through the
• 49:29
  pain. And Paul comes to me and he put
• 49:31
  his hand on my shoulder and I put my head up and he looked at
• 49:34
  me and he goes, you have a good time.
• 49:37
  I said I had a great time. He goes, do you enjoy this?
• 49:41
  I go very much. So he goes.
• 49:46
  The pain will go away, but the feeling will last forever.
• 49:51
  Yes, Awesome. So, so now you know.
• 49:55
  Before what I was going to say was, you know back to the the,
• 50:00
  you know, you knowing him for as long as you've known him.
• 50:02
  I'm sure you've locked up with him, you know, countless times.
• 50:07
  So I was in the ring this night. I was in the on the apron
• 50:11
  waiting for my tag and I happen to see that look and told
• 50:19
  everybody. I said that was a look I haven't
• 50:23
  seen, I can tell you since before he retired and and you
• 50:30
  know there there's a, there's a picture.
• 50:33
  I don't know if I have it, there's a picture and if not
• 50:37
  I'll, I'll send it to you. But you can see there's one of
• 50:40
  him on the inside of the ring and he's wrestling and you can
• 50:45
  see me sitting on the outside right before I'm ready to tag
• 50:49
  in. And I'm just watching and I'm
• 50:50
  sitting there like a kid and then all of a sudden it hit me,
• 50:55
  was like, oh shit. Out in my turn, My turn.
• 51:00
  Yeah it was one of those like my turn, I'm next, me next, you
• 51:05
  know, and and I also I had showed this picture to somebody
• 51:10
  and and everybody said that I had looked just like him in that
• 51:14
  ring. They looked, they were like,
• 51:15
  holy crap, they said, you know what, if you don't have that
• 51:19
  same, you know, thousand nigh death stare that he has when
• 51:25
  staring across the ring from somebody.
• 51:28
  They're like, not. You can't teach that to anybody.
• 51:31
  You can't teach that natural. You can't.
• 51:34
  You can't. Stone faced heal and you can't
• 51:38
  teach that they're like and you just have it, you know.
• 51:42
  And I'm like and and I've said I've learned that from being
• 51:44
  around so long from being around the business just from being
• 51:48
  around the guys that I was around you know coming up and
• 51:52
  and I don't and I say coming up because I was a kid coming up
• 51:55
  around them. I grew up in that same same way
• 51:59
  as you were wrestling in that kayfabe era of like you don't
• 52:02
  break character till you walk back through that curtain.
• 52:05
  And the kid came out across from me and the inner child to me was
• 52:09
  about five. He came out with a can of
• 52:14
  whipped cream, walked over to me and goes, I'm going to creampie
• 52:19
  you in the mouth. And I was like, fuck and and you
• 52:22
  know, the inner child and you just.
• 52:25
  I. Mean I went back and I was like,
• 52:27
  shit. And magic goes, what happened?
• 52:29
  I'm like, I laughed at the guy. He goes, that's what this is
• 52:32
  about. He goes that's what this
• 52:33
  company's for. The company was called Funhouse.
• 52:36
  He goes that's this company is it's about having fun.
• 52:38
  I said yeah, but he goes, OK, you cracked the smile.
• 52:41
  He goes, So what? He goes, you came out, you sent
• 52:45
  the kids home happy, the fans were excited.
• 52:47
  He goes, and if I run again, I'm bringing you back, which he
• 52:52
  wound up, you know, getting rid of it and giving it to another
• 52:55
  company because he just, he didn't want to run the whole
• 52:57
  promotion by himself anymore. And I don't blame.
• 52:59
  Eric, The thing is, this K favors, you know, we all know K.
• 53:05
  Favors the. Thing is, this K favors, you
• 53:10
  know, like I'm coming out, I'm I'm the asshole.
• 53:15
  Whatever you want. You know what I mean?
• 53:18
  Yep. Kayfabe.
• 53:20
  A lot of these young boys don't understand that.
• 53:25
  Right. A lot of the a lot of new guys
• 53:26
  don't have kayfabe. You know a lot and and I can say
• 53:29
  to that, you know a lot of guys, they're taught how to keep
• 53:33
  kayfabe. They are.
• 53:35
  And I'm not going to sit here and say they're not because I I
• 53:37
  know some of the schools, that's, I know some of the guys
• 53:39
  that train some of these people and they know how to keep
• 53:43
  kayfabe. But it's a different it's a
• 53:45
  different time. The times have changed where the
• 53:48
  actual guys go on social media and and I'm one of them.
• 53:53
  I mean I'm not going to sit here and say like, you know, after
• 53:56
  the show with that kid, when he posted up the pictures of his
• 53:58
  belts, I, I sent him a message and I say, yo, I can't wait to
• 54:01
  do this again. I said I can't wait to do this
• 54:04
  tango again. I said because man, oh man, was
• 54:06
  it fun. I said and if I hurt you and you
• 54:09
  know, first thing I did, I said if I hurt you, I apologize.
• 54:12
  I said, and if not, then we're just going to do it again next
• 54:15
  time he goes, I can't wait. And listen I'm looking forward
• 54:20
  to eventually crossing paths with that kid again.
• 54:22
  Of course, because he knows what he's doing.
• 54:26
  He and and he really is behind and you know and you could you
• 54:31
  could say this just as much as I can.
• 54:33
  A lot of these guys you know they're sweethearts behind the
• 54:36
  scenes. Like when I when I met Gene that
• 54:40
  day, it was my first time meeting him.
• 54:42
  It was like I've known him for, you know, 20 years and I had
• 54:46
  sunburn. And what does he do when he
• 54:47
  walks by me? All right kid.
• 54:50
  I'll see you later. And his wife was there and she
• 54:55
  was like, Oh my God. I'm so I'm like, no, I fully
• 54:59
  expected it, 100% knew it was coming.
• 55:01
  I said I was just hoping he was going to catch me when I was a
• 55:04
  little more ready for it. I said, but at the same time you
• 55:08
  know what it was? It was cool to hang out with
• 55:10
  him. It was cool to finally meet him.
• 55:12
  And you know that same feeling we talked about of walking
• 55:15
  through that curtain. You know, I I said to him, I
• 55:18
  said you get this question probably just as much as I do.
• 55:21
  And he goes, Yup. And he said you can't And and
• 55:25
  it's not a knock on anybody. Not in the business.
• 55:27
  You. Can't put it in words, you.
• 55:29
  Can't put it in words. You can't explain what walking
• 55:33
  through that curtain feels like for the first time.
• 55:36
  You know, and I will say that we are going to North Carolina.
• 55:42
  We are booked on a show in North Carolina.
• 55:44
  The Untouchables will be coming a New Bern in May and we may or
• 55:49
  may not have a guy coming with us, this guy right here with
• 55:53
  Santa's nuts on his head. And the the advice I gave him is
• 56:00
  and you'll appreciate this you know he goes because we were we
• 56:03
  had to promote around last week and he said you know, I mean we
• 56:05
  could probably make that happen. I said I looked at him and I
• 56:08
  said this you one shot kid, don't fuck it up.
• 56:10
  Am I wrong? D is that that's the famous
• 56:14
  words of every promoter before you walk through that curtain
• 56:17
  you have it. Don't fuck this up.
• 56:20
  So plain and simple. My man, right here, the OG cigar
• 56:23
  tender. What you need to do when you
• 56:27
  come through that? Well, as your ring announcer,
• 56:30
  you're, you're the one as an announcer, you're the one
• 56:33
  keeping the crowd engaged. So as.
• 56:35
  Gorilla. You got to keep them engaged
• 56:37
  ring. Announcer my man Gorilla right
• 56:39
  here. He's going.
• 56:40
  To come. No, I'm the gorilla.
• 56:41
  That's Santa's nutsack, that. Can't be my name.
• 56:45
  I mean that way. The OG nutsack is that.
• 56:49
  What? There's always there's.
• 56:50
  Always one thing you want to remember, whether it's a show in
• 56:54
  front of, and I've done it all, it it's show in front of 15
• 56:56
  people or 5000 people. That's one thing you want to do
• 57:00
  forever and ever. What you want to do is keep your
• 57:03
  stride. Keep with what you're doing,
• 57:05
  stick to the gimmick, stay with the gimmick and ride it until
• 57:09
  that bitch falls. Ride it till the fucking wheels
• 57:13
  fall off and you got to fix it and reinvent it and then you
• 57:15
  come right back out with. It you do it again.
• 57:17
  Amen, Derek. So this isn't, this isn't the
• 57:23
  first part we're going to We're going to cut this off here for
• 57:26
  the day, ladies and gentlemen. And then next week you'll be
• 57:31
  seeing Part 2 of this interview where yes, we're going to finish
• 57:34
  it up the the wrestling conversation.
• 57:36
  We're going to get into cigars, we promise.
• 57:38
  You know as as OG said before when you get guys like us on
• 57:43
  here I know that and and guys like me, even though I'm new I'm
• 57:47
  I grew up around it. I'm I'm still I'm still that kid
• 57:50
  at heart. I like hearing the stories and I
• 57:52
  mean you know just being able to sit here and and you know talk
• 57:56
  to you and and kind of you know tell everybody what you've done,
• 57:59
  where you've been and you know life lessons for the boys.
• 58:02
  Like, that's stuff that people love to hear.
• 58:06
  Amen. So we're going to end this here
• 58:08
  this week, folks. TuneIn next week for the New
• 58:10
  Year's celebration of turnbuckles and stogies.
• 58:15
  My. Man, with Part 2 of the
• 58:16
  interview with C3, Derek Dukes, it's it's going to be good.
• 58:23
  We we're just getting started, ladies and gentlemen.
• 58:26
  Uh oh uh oh. We're going to have to talk
• 58:29
  about that on the next episode. Hey, Merry Christmas everybody,
• 58:32
  and Merry Christmas next week OG out.