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Mark Farner · The Bob Lefsetz Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob less Us Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday is the one and only Mark farn Martin. Good
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  Speaker 1: to have the other podcast. Good to be here with
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  Speaker 1: your brother, Bob. So how's your health. I know you
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  Speaker 1: have a pacemaker put in back in So how are
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  Speaker 1: you today? I'm good. And as a matter of fact, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the pacemaker, you know, they're supposed to be good for
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  Speaker 1: seven to ten years, and uh, my date is coming
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  Speaker 1: up October twenty three for the for the ten year mark.
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  Speaker 1: And when I talked to the gal at the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you put this little thing over your heart
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  Speaker 1: and it sends it through the cell phone and gives
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  Speaker 1: them a reading for the month, you know, and she says,
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  Speaker 1: it's very extraordinary that you should have so much battery
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  Speaker 1: life left in your pay pacemaker. But you're good for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. I love hearing stuff like that, Bob,
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  Speaker 1: don't we all? So tell us the story of why
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  Speaker 1: you needed the pacemaker to begin with. Well, my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I were down in Detroit doing some promotions, and
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  Speaker 1: uh we stayed at the Renaissance Center there and she
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  Speaker 1: had gotten up to do her thing in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she was in the bathroom, washing her face
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  Speaker 1: and everything. And she said when she came out of
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom, my left arm had was shot up into
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  Speaker 1: the air, and and I was I started kind of
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  Speaker 1: flipping around. I don't remember any of this, buddy, uh,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess I looked like a wounded tuna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: flipping around. And she calls, you know, the front desk,
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  Speaker 1: and has a paramedics come up. They put me on oxygen.
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  Speaker 1: They put me in a ambulance, and I go over
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  Speaker 1: to to Harper in Detroit and I'm in the emergency
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  Speaker 1: room and I gurney and they got me hooked to
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  Speaker 1: an external pacemaker. And these three doctors, well I think
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  Speaker 1: they were doctors. They had white coats and they had
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  Speaker 1: their backs to me, uh, and they were maybe six
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  Speaker 1: ft away from me, but they were looking at the machine,
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  Speaker 1: the external pacemaker, and it was in the corner. And
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  Speaker 1: as I look over, I'm glancing down at myself and
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  Speaker 1: I see these wires hooked to me, and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, I feel like they just plugged me right
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  Speaker 1: straight into the wall. It was like bam. And I
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  Speaker 1: hollered out to the top of my lungs. I was,
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  Speaker 1: what are you it was like and and my wife
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  Speaker 1: heard me holler, and she came running in from the hallway, Honey,
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  Speaker 1: what's the matter. And I said, those guys are They
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  Speaker 1: just plugged me straight into the wall over there. I said,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is not you know. I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna die if they do that again. They plugged. They
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  Speaker 1: did it again, and I died. Yeah, and uh so
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  Speaker 1: on on that approach to come back in into the
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  Speaker 1: bone suit. I didn't really want to make that trip, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: It was so good. On the other side, it was
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  Speaker 1: just like being home. I mean it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was more secure than your mother's womb, if you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine. Uh And and I knew all things in
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  Speaker 1: that state of being and uh and but I could
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  Speaker 1: hear my wife not now, you son of a bit.
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  Speaker 1: She's beating up my chest. And this guy when I
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  Speaker 1: when I re entered my bone suit, this the doctor
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  Speaker 1: standing next to her with the paddles in his hands.
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  Speaker 1: And uh it had they hit me again with this voltage?
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  Speaker 1: I go again, and I'm in I'm in heaven, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Uh, it's the most wonderful place. And anyways,
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  Speaker 1: make a long story short. I hear him telling her
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  Speaker 1: we've got him back twice, there's no guarantee we get
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  Speaker 1: him a third time. We gotta get him to oh
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  Speaker 1: our stat. And when he said stat, it was like
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  Speaker 1: mash four oh seven seven scrambling around people, running, diving,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pushing me. I was doing fifty miles an
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  Speaker 1: hour down the hollway and they put the pacemaker in.
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  Speaker 1: But what happened was, uh, you know, they've got two
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  Speaker 1: parts to your your heart, the plumbing, of course, which
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  Speaker 1: is very important, but then you have the electrical. Well,
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  Speaker 1: my electrical had a short in it, Bob. They called
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  Speaker 1: it a bundle branch block, and my nerve branch did
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  Speaker 1: not receive the signal to squeeze the blood back up
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  Speaker 1: into the top part of the heart. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: happened to me. And I you know, now I have
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  Speaker 1: this pacemaker that samples ahead and it can see when
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss a beat, and it'll throw it in
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  Speaker 1: there for me. When it throws it in, do you
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  Speaker 1: feel something, Oh, yes, very much, so you go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. And how often does that happen. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen very often. In fact, it happened more frequently ten
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  Speaker 1: years ago when I first got it put in. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was happening quite frequently. I would notice every day.
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  Speaker 1: Now I go days without noticing. And is this hereditary
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  Speaker 1: or from living or just some people get a bad number.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's hereditary, brother, because my grandfather, my dad's dad,
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  Speaker 1: died in his sleep and they didn't know what it was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this was, you know, back years and years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I might have picked something up from him. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's quite a story. So do you have to hold
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  Speaker 1: back in any activity or can you just live fine? No?
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Bob, he said, he told my wife, you
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  Speaker 1: tell Mark, don't baby that thing. You push that thing,
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  Speaker 1: you make it work, you, you know, take it to
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  Speaker 1: the limit. So I do, and on stage I make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you know I'm keeping it in good shape.
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  Speaker 1: And if I don't get to where I'm sweating and
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  Speaker 1: to something is wrong. Now, frequently when people have these
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  Speaker 1: near death or as you say in your case, actual
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  Speaker 1: death experiences, when they come out of them kind of
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  Speaker 1: changes their perspective in their life. Was your perspective changed
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  Speaker 1: at all? Yes? I was telling my wife for a
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  Speaker 1: few years prior to this adventure that I went on.
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  Speaker 1: I told her the thing that's wrong with mankind in
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  Speaker 1: general is debt consciousness, um I said, because once you're
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  Speaker 1: indebted to someone or beholden to someone or something, you
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  Speaker 1: you're compromised. You can't really be free in your expression
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  Speaker 1: and your relationship with that person or thing, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's you're in debt too. And on my re
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  Speaker 1: entry into my bone suit that last time, Bob, I
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  Speaker 1: had such a confirmation of that whole thing and what
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  Speaker 1: the Bible is talking about when Jesus is saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: no man anything except to love him. You know, that
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  Speaker 1: was the state of mind that he was in. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's why there was all the miracles, because
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  Speaker 1: when you're indebted to anyone or any thing, uh, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're cutting yourself short. And I found out on on
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  Speaker 1: that reentry that you know, and on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know all things immediately, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: even had On that side of the fence, I had
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  Speaker 1: the purpose. I knew what the purpose of these earth
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  Speaker 1: years were. I mean, I knew what it was. And
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  Speaker 1: on this side I couldn't tell you. I'm thinking maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's like plugging a one ten fan into two twenty.
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  Speaker 1: It would just smoke you. I mean, your brain is
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  Speaker 1: only built for so much information. But the debt consciousness
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  Speaker 1: as not just money. Debt, that's certainly part of it.
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  Speaker 1: But what if you don't fulfill the expectations of some somebody,
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  Speaker 1: some people. What if it was somebody in your family
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  Speaker 1: and they called one of the siblings or somebody else
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  Speaker 1: and they tell them the story of how now you're
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  Speaker 1: indebted to them, you know, and then they call you
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  Speaker 1: and you're put on the ship list and you're in
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  Speaker 1: debt because of this situation. And it's all a misconception
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  Speaker 1: because people aren't people aren't coming from that point of view.
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  Speaker 1: They're not coming from the love that's in their heart
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  Speaker 1: and trying to find the love. And everybody else they
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  Speaker 1: are coming from a place of defense and coming from
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  Speaker 1: a place of being offended. And uh, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's a debt ladent world that we are living in.
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  Speaker 1: We are moved from our place of comfort by this
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  Speaker 1: silly four letter word d ebt. Holy crap, man, Let's
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  Speaker 1: go down to the drug store and buy a box
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  Speaker 1: and then and dump it on a table and look
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  Speaker 1: at it. Or that are yet, let's get a tenure
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  Speaker 1: dump truck full of it and have them dump it
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  Speaker 1: in our front yards. A wee can weigh in this
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  Speaker 1: stuff and really get familiar with it because even the
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  Speaker 1: indebtedness of regret we can set ourselves free from. But
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  Speaker 1: we are the only ones who can set ourselves free
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  Speaker 1: from this. And people don't realize this, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: I was that was revealed to me, and I was
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  Speaker 1: that was confirmed in me on that last re entry.
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  Speaker 1: I call it the re entry into this bone suit.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been sharing that experience with people who are
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  Speaker 1: profoundly jolted by this notion of being debt free and
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  Speaker 1: that we are the ones who control what we will
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  Speaker 1: accept as debt and uh and how not to accept
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  Speaker 1: any debt. I think once you get that going and
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  Speaker 1: realize who you are in this this simplistic form, this
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  Speaker 1: human form, that then we can see love. Then we
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  Speaker 1: can experience love, because you know that's where love lives. Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me an example or two of how
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  Speaker 1: you changed your life relative to this debt insight. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I look at other people that prior to the revelation
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  Speaker 1: that I've had brother, I may have held them responsible
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  Speaker 1: for actions that that they took that had a bad
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  Speaker 1: reflection on me, or had a bad influence on me,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, left might have left me um angry.
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  Speaker 1: And I just can't go there anymore. I can't go
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  Speaker 1: there because people are so precious and we don't let ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: We don't allow that tenderness to come through or to too. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it could be in another person to
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  Speaker 1: consider that and someone who's you know, maybe what if
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  Speaker 1: alcohol was involved and one of your relatives said something
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  Speaker 1: to you that was just off the wall. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's has happened with me, And since the revelation that
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  Speaker 1: I've had, I can't hold that person in debt for that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for the words, for that experience that I
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  Speaker 1: went through with him. I just have to let it go.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of people have asked me about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the relationship that I had with the other
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  Speaker 1: two members of the band, and uh, you know, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: that piss you off? I want to know it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: piss me off. It makes me feel sorry for somebody
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  Speaker 1: who can't be truthful with the audience with our fans. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But I I refuse to let it piss me off,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, that would keep me that would put
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  Speaker 1: me in some kind of uh frame, a reference to
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  Speaker 1: debt consciousness, and I don't want any more debt consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, every day, brother Bob, before my feet swing
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  Speaker 1: out and get put put on the floor, I lay
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  Speaker 1: in the bed and I pray to the Creator and
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  Speaker 1: ask to be shown where there's any more anchors in
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  Speaker 1: my soul here, so that I can take these bolt
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  Speaker 1: cutters that I have and cut that chain to that
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  Speaker 1: anchor and get set free. Because I want to be
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  Speaker 1: completely free before I leave this earth. And I think
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  Speaker 1: even in that state of mind, if we can all
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  Speaker 1: head that way, we'll be able to see some miracles
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  Speaker 1: before we go. What is the truth that your two
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  Speaker 1: other original band members are holding back from the public.
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  Speaker 1: They advertise themselves as Grand funk It. They have a
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  Speaker 1: legal right to do that because Uh the drummer came
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  Speaker 1: to me one night after a gig we did up
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  Speaker 1: in California telling me, and this is after a party,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know it, had a few beers or
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  Speaker 1: have some drinks or something. Go back to the hotel room.
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  Speaker 1: He comes to my hotel room says, hey, Mark, we
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  Speaker 1: all we all need to sign the individual ownership of
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  Speaker 1: the trademark into the corporation where it'll have this protective umbrella.
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  Speaker 1: And he had gone to law school and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: finish high school. And I thought, well, he's looking out
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  Speaker 1: for the best interests of the band. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I thought to myself, Yeah, okay, I'll do that.
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  Speaker 1: He says, good, I'll go to my room and get
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  Speaker 1: the papers. And I'm thinking as he left, I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: why the hell didn't he just bring the papers with him.
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  Speaker 1: But it didn't dawn on me that I was being
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  Speaker 1: set up. Uh, And so when he came back, I
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  Speaker 1: signed the papers, and so my ownership, my one third
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  Speaker 1: ownership of the trademark, which is the name Grandfunk Railroad,
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  Speaker 1: got put into the corporation where I found out, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they had fired me as an officer. I was like
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  Speaker 1: the vice president. Um, and I'm no longer an office.
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  Speaker 1: I no longer have any say so in a corporation
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  Speaker 1: with three people, when you got two of them against you,
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  Speaker 1: it's just even even though I wrote of the music
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  Speaker 1: and saying, you know, and did all the stuff, they
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  Speaker 1: can go out with my music and make a living
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  Speaker 1: and claim that they are Grandfunk Railroad. Legally because of
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  Speaker 1: that mistake that I made. But I can't hold them responsible,
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  Speaker 1: even though that's a shitty thing to do. I'm telling you, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I can't hold them responsible for that because I have
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  Speaker 1: to view that in my current state of mind as
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  Speaker 1: just them being off their path. But if they were
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  Speaker 1: honest with people, they would have said Grand Funk revisited
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  Speaker 1: or something to this degree, just like Credence Clearwater, you know,
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  Speaker 1: authorities not with him. Uh, And they had a spat.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what it was about. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: read on it. I just knew that there was something
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  Speaker 1: going on between them and the legally, that there was
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  Speaker 1: something that you know, at least they said Credence Clearwater revisited,
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  Speaker 1: which gave the fans heads up. Uh. I think the
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  Speaker 1: other two guys in the band, if they would have
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  Speaker 1: said grand Funk revisited, that would have given them, uh
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  Speaker 1: a point of you know, some validity with the fans.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, uh, they could have looked them online
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  Speaker 1: and say, well, what's this about. But no, they just
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  Speaker 1: go out and they don't tell the audience. There's no
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  Speaker 1: way that they can say to the audience or advertised
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  Speaker 1: that the guy who wrote and sang of the music
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  Speaker 1: is no longer in the band. What was the impetus?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they had this all planned out. They wanted to
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  Speaker 1: sign the document. They wanted to get rid of you
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  Speaker 1: as an officer. What was going on that they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do that at that time? I don't really. I
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  Speaker 1: can only say that it has to be a personal
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  Speaker 1: grudge of some sort, some kind of vendetta. Uh. Mel
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  Speaker 1: Shocker the bass player, and I have been friends. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we went to school together. We we jammed together,
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  Speaker 1: we we rode dirt bikes together, and uh, and we
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  Speaker 1: smoked pot together as kids. I mean, you know. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And I just could never understand how Mel uh could
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  Speaker 1: have gone along with Don on that and and come
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  Speaker 1: it in himself to it. But then just this year,
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  Speaker 1: I was, after we started, you know, doing a few
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  Speaker 1: more gigs, I was in the Delta Club in Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: and Mel the bass player was in there. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know he was in there. I was just I
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  Speaker 1: had my headphones on and I'm over there listening to
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  Speaker 1: some music I've been working on with Mark Slaughter and Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And I see Malcolm walking around the corner and he
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  Speaker 1: looks at me, and he puts his arms out, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I stand up, I give him a hug, and
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  Speaker 1: he just says to me, you know, Mark, he says,
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  Speaker 1: I really love what you do. I really love who
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  Speaker 1: you are. You're the greatest, he says, And brother, I
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  Speaker 1: just had to do what I had to do. And
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  Speaker 1: at that moment, I looked at him and I just
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  Speaker 1: felt so sorry for this kid. That he was an
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  Speaker 1: only child and his mom and had died, and he
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  Speaker 1: went through some stuff. His his wife died. He's been
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  Speaker 1: through a lot, and I can't hold him responsible, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for the two of them going out and
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  Speaker 1: claiming to be the band and you know, grandfather and
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  Speaker 1: not warning or not at least telling somebody. So I
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  Speaker 1: looked him in the eyes and I told him, I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I thought in my heart that that was
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  Speaker 1: probably you know, what was going on, that it's something
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  Speaker 1: that you had to do, because you know, with everything
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  Speaker 1: that you have been through and and the things, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know that that all your bills don't go away
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  Speaker 1: when things like this happened, and you become very aware.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I understand, Melvin, and I just I said,
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  Speaker 1: I forgive you for that, and he give me a
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  Speaker 1: big hug and that was it was like, man, that
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  Speaker 1: was so good, dude. Uh, just to know that that's
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  Speaker 1: how he felt. I can't, I can't say that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: because of that, the band is going to get back together.
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  Speaker 1: I think I had been trying to put the band
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  Speaker 1: back together for twenty three years because I realized when
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  Speaker 1: the Beatles were together and I was, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: wanted them to go back on the road so I
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  Speaker 1: could see him live. Man, I'm a Beatle fan, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, man, those all four of them guys are
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  Speaker 1: still sucking air. Why can't they just bury the hatchet
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  Speaker 1: and do it for us, do it for the fans
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  Speaker 1: that bought all those records, you know, and so putting
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  Speaker 1: myself in those shoes. Um, I kept petitioning those guys
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  Speaker 1: to do it for the fans, to do it for
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  Speaker 1: the sake of our fans, and I kept hearing people
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  Speaker 1: say yeah, Don said uh, never say never. They asked
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  Speaker 1: him in an interview if he'd ever get back together
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  Speaker 1: with with you and if the original band would ever
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  Speaker 1: go out, and he says, never say never. But that's
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  Speaker 1: just easy to say. But when you when you feel
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the virility the and when you feel
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  Speaker 1: that hatred. Uh, Like when I when I went out
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  Speaker 1: as Mark Farner's American band, I got a trademark. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: did it legally through lawyers. Uh. They sued me and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it cost us a lot of money. Not only did
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it cost me to pay my attorn knees, one from California,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one from Michigan because it was a Michigan corporation. Uh,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I had to pay one third of their attorneys. Yeah, yeah, brother,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: But I gotta let all that go. You know, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: cannot allow that to eat my lunch. That's my power, brother, Bob,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and I will use it in the manner which I choose.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what Don's beef with you? Is?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Have not a clue? I really don't have a clue.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Let's go side. How do you know Mark Slaughter? Mark Slaughter,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: we did a rock and roll fantasy camp years ago
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and h and Marcus is Uh he's part Cherokee. I'm
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: part Cherokee. So on, just on that basis alone, we
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: have something in common that not a lot of people do,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and that we're musicians in the rock and roll field.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That just gave us a head start on our friendship.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: And our brotherhood. Uh. And we did the Howard Sterns
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Show while we were in New York City and it's recorded.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: It's on YouTube now. But we had Kip Winger on base,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Sandy Gennaro on drums, Teddy's Zigzag on the keyboards, um
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Mark Slaughter on guitar, and Bruce Culick who now plays
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: guitar with Don and Mel. He was on the acoustic guitar.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: But we were all doing rock and roll fantasy camp
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: for David fish Off and uh, and we did a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we did I'm Your Captain, and I was so impressed
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: by those guys. They made it sound believable because all
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: those guys told me how much they loved me and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: how much they appreciated that song in particular because it
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: influenced them as young musicians. And I'm I'm standing there
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: at the microphone singing the the in the chorus, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: then and then when we go to the bridge, am
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I in my cabin breathe me? And I'm listening over
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and there's Mark singing the high part and he is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hitting it dead nuts, buddy, I mean seriously, it gave
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: me the chills and I thought, Wow, we're doing this.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is really coming off good for for
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: just setting up a couple of amps in a in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a studio up at Stearn's place. And so after that,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Mark and I kept in touch with each other, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Mark sent me a copy of some of the music
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that he had been working on, and I said, man,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: uh that some of that stuff is really speaking to me.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I said, the mix you have on that stuff, You've
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: really got the separation where you can hear all the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: instruments and the vocals. He's got a song halfway there.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's beautiful. And uh, I said, man, uh,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I encourage you and I want to, you know, sending
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you kudos on on the sound that you got. He says, well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I want to do something with you. He says, I've
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: got this stuff. I can make your music sound just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: as good as this, if not better, he says, because
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I'm always learning. And so I said, you know something,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take you up on that because I've
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: got a song that my son Jesse told me before
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he died. He said, Dad, that song. He says, there's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: two songs that really stick out to me. He says
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that one that you and he starts humming it to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: me and I and I go, oh, yeah, you really
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: like that song? He says yeah, he says, uh, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it's a hit. He says, I believe that's a hit song.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I just feel it in my heart. And so the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: one song titled Anymore Slaughter helped me finished because we
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: co wrote it. I had the initial idea, the chorus,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the first verse, the second first though, he really came through,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and it came through with a shining of forgiveness. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: it is forgiveness for the other guys for doing what
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they did and what they do. Uh, and it and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it has a message. It carries that that love message
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: through it. And I think that's what Jesse was hearing
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: because he was definitely into the love, especially in his
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: latter years. I'm proud to be working with. Why don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you tell us a story of Jesse who had a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: tragic accident and then tragically passed. Can you tell us
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit more about that because not everybody knows. Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Jesse back in two thousand and ten was on camping
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: trip with his buddies and there was a bunch of
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I call him kids. I mean, he's my kid, but uh,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty some year old, and they were camping
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: out at this lake and it was the fourth July weekend,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and Jesse told me in the emergency room when we
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: went up there too, you know, we found out he
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was hurt. We went to the emergency room at the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: hospital where the the ambulance had brought him, and he
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: told me, he said, Dad, I drank too much and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: tried to do something stupid, he says. Everybody was doing
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: these back flips off the picnic table, he says, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I just didn't land it, said too much beer, Dad.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And at that time he could still move his his arms.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: He was paralyzed from his waist down. But the doctor
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: told us, the surgeon said, he's gonna lose the use
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of his limbs too. Because he was laying in the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: back of a pickup truck for eleven hours. He didn't
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: want to bring the police into it or ambulance out
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: there because he didn't want to ruin all of these
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: kids camping out and having a good time. So they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he just said, just lay me in the back of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that pickup truck and out sober up and get better
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and whatever. If he could have gotten to the hospital
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: within the first four hours, there's a window of opportunity
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: where they could have injected um steroid right at the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: point of the injury and arrested the edema. That actually
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is what took his arms away from him and the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: use of his arms, and the only he only had
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the use of his head. I mean, he could move
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: his neck around and he drove his wheelchair with his mouth.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It was a sip and puff system and he was
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: real good at it. As a matter of fact, some
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of his friends took the sip and off system and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: attached it to a remote control device where he could
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: actually run these four wheel drive electric models. And uh,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: he had a boat that would do like eighty miles
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: an hour on the water down here, and people would
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: just gather around him to see him run this stuff
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: because he was really good at it. And he took, uh,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he took a first place in Traverse City where they
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: were having these competitions with all these people. And when
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: people looked around and saw this kid driving this truck
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with his mouth, you know, he was pretty good at it. Uh.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: He was really blessed. But his condition kept going down
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and the doctor told us, he said, it's like a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: limb on a tree when when it gets crushed like that,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the life just starts leaving it. And he says, he
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: told us there will be uh, you know, kidney troubles,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there will be internal organ troubles that that you just
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: can't do anything about, because that's what happens at this point.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And so we we had him here at our house
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and my wife Lisa, God bless her heart. Um, she
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: took care of him most of the time. But then
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: we had help from uh people that would nurses and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: people that were paid by the state to come in
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and help and give her a break because it's really
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: strenuous for one person. I mean, it's you can't imagine,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and you have to do things like for a quadriplegic
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: who's on life support. Uh, you gotta roll them up
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: on their side, and in order for them to take
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a ship, you gotta stick your fing here up in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: there and stimulate that and then you got to catch
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it as it's coming out. It's it's a very uh
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: humilifying experience for him. And when I volunteered, you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I said, Lisa, let me do part of this. Let
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: me and he looks at me, says, Dad, you're not
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: sticking your big finger in my ass. So anyways, his
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: his condition got you know, worse and worse, and then
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen he passed and we know that
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: he's whole. Now. We know that, you know, from my
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: experience of leaving, you know, exiting the bone suit and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: coming back, I know his whole and I know that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: as soon as he made the exit from the bone
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: suit that he was set free. And uh, we miss
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: him like crazy. I got a picture that pops up
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: every time I turn on my computer. There's Jesse and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: his dog, him with his laying in bed with his track.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: He had a tricky out of me and he had
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: his life support, but he never lost his grin. He
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: never lost his love for life and had his friends.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And we have a memorial out here on our farm
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: for him, and his friends come over and they go
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: back to the memorial and they leave little bunches of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: flowers or uh, pinted Jack Daniels. You never know what's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: going to be left at the memorial, but his love
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: will never leave them. I mean, he was that kind
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of guy. He just he was real and uh, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: we miss him like crazy. But Lisa and I have
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: definitely learned some valuable, valuable lessons through all of this,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and it's just to reiterate that love, you know. I mean,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: we we get here in the form of this little
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: infant and we, uh, we just hold that I feel,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the love and a little kid that the energy,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and so we nurture them because you know, it's our instinct,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: our human instinct, to care care for this little baby.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: But we're holding that love. That's really who we are
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in our heart, you know, is that that bundle of love,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that energy that comes from the great beyond. And we
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: have learned how to look at people with eyes that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: see that. No matter what other kind of physical representation
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: there might be, or what kind of words we come
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: out of the mouths of people, we always look in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and see that love and and you know, know that
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: all that person needs is to to realign with it. Now,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: do you have other kids? Yes, I have two other children,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: two other boys with Lisa, and then I have two
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: other boys with two other women. Okay, well let's stop
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: here for a second. How many times you've been married twice?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: When did you get married the first time? How old
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: were you and what motivated you to get married? I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: just felt like it was time because I felt like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I was in love with this girl, and uh, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to be I wanted to UM at that point,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean I started in Grand Funk when
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I was twenty. I had been two other countries. I've
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: been on big tours, you know, sold out Shasee Stadium
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: with my music, and H this was in them. That
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: was seventy one. So in seventy two it was like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I felt like I wanted to somehow put down, uh,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the beginning of a permanent commitment. But as life goes
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: h both parties didn't see it that way, and so
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: uh it was. I think three years later we were
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: divorced and I said, man, I am never gonna get
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: married again. Forget about this. UM. We did not have
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: any children. My first wife and I did not have
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: any children. My oldest son, Joey, came from a relationship
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I had with my oldest sister's girlfriend app and uh
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and dude, I didn't even orgasm. It was a one
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: time thing and it was just it was just off
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the wall, but it was enough to get her pregnant.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: There was enough of the seed that got through even
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: without my experiencing anything like that. And Joey and I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: are very good friends. He's a musician. He's lives in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Detroit and he's out doing gigs all the time. He's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a good songwriter, good singer, he's got he's got talent.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And his wife and him come up and we you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: we eat, have barbecues and we talk, we jam and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I go down there and his house. He's got his
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: stuff set up in the basement. He's got a nice
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: recording thing set up. And so I have good relationship
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: with him. When was he born before or after your
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: first marriage? Before? So that's one song, yes, and then
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: after I was divorced from my first marriage. We're on
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the road and Wet Willie was the opening act for
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the Grand Funct Tour Um. It was when the Local
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Motion was a number one hit um and and the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: gals from Wet Willie they said, you know what we were,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: We want to come out there and sing the backgrounds
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for Local Motion with you guys. In fact, the whole
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: band wants to come out. And we said, man, that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: would be great, you know, because we used to do it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And just as like the last song before our encore,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and so Wet Willie would all come out on the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: stage and and I got very friendly with Donna, Donna Hall,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: who was one of the singers, and there was Jack
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Hall and Jimmy Hall. Jimmy Hall was the lead singer
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and Jack the bass player. But Donna moved in with me.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And I wasn't thinking about marriage or anything. I just
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: having a relationship and uh. And then I met Lisa,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: my wife that I'm married to, uh currently and forever
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: more forty four years now. Um, and man, I knew
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: as soon as I saw, as soon as I heard
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: her voice, soon as I was around her, that it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And Donna came to me
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and she said, Mark, I see what's between you and Lisa.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I can see it. You'd have to be blind not
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to see it. And she said, and I'm gonna bow
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: out of your life now. I'm going to go back home.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I said, oh, are you kidding me? I said, I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: feel bad. She said, don't feel bad, she says. I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I love Lisa, and I love you, she says, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to hold
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you back from anything. That it's this precious And she
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: didn't know she was pregnant. Moved home back to Mobile, Alabama,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and her mother, Bibie God Rest her Soul, called me
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: out of the blue UH and said, Mark, my daughter
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: is pregnant with your baby. And I went what And
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: she says, Donna, don't freak out. She says, don't freak out.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: We're not mad. There's nothing you know. You guys didn't know.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: She didn't know when she left, and you didn't know.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So I just want you to know that we're gonna
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: take good care of this baby and that we will
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: always love you. And that's what kind of relationship I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: have with the whole family, including my son Adam, who
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: came out on the road with Donna. Uh wet Willie
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: opened for us again down in New Orleans and UH
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and Donna had ad Adam with her and it was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the first time I met him, and I had my
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: son Jason with me, and so Adam and Jason got
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: together and they are still you know, there's there's there's blood,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and there's no kind of questioning about that relationship at all.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And in fact, we all went to Mexico together before
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Jesse was hurt and UH and had a great time
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: together and you know, those memories. It's great to have
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: those memories because they're built on it's just always a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: reminder of the love that has always kept us together
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and has always found its way through any hurt and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: always uh made the glue that keeps us stuck on
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: each other. Are Adam and Jason up to jay Eason
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: is working at a shoe store doing good. He makes
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: good money. He does he works on a commission as
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: well as his and he does things on the side
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: where he's he's got good money coming in. He lives
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on his own in an apartment. And Adam works he's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a chef down in Mobile, Alabama. And Isaac and Sarah
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: my grandchildren. Uh, he takes them on the weekends and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: his and his ex wife uh get some you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: through the week But he's doing good. He you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's uh, it's just to have a job and keeping
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: holding down the fort at this point in life in
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: this country as really saying something. But they're not the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: kind of people that would set back and say I'm
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: not gonna work, I'll let the government support me. You know. Uh,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: they're not that kind of people. And I'm proud of that. Okay,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you're really mellow understanding and love it. What were you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like when you were a teenager and then in your
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: twenties at the height of Grand Funk Road. I was
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: very grateful for the experience, you know. When I wrote
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Closer to Home, I'm Your Captain, I prayed for that song.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I always say my prayers. I always pray. I pray
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: every day, and at night, before I go to sleep,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I pray, and I said, mine, Now I lay me
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: If I should die before I wake, I pray the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Lord my soul to take. And then I blessed all
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: my aunts and uncles and cousins and grandma's, grandpa's and
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you know. And I put a ps on the end
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of the prayer, and I said, God, would you please
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: give me a song that would reach and touch the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: hearts of those you want to get to. And I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: got up in the middle of the night and I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: wrote words. But I'm always getting up righting words. I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: didn't know it was a song. It could have been
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: just a poem with you know. And when I wrote it, Bob,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I was I was in a state of mind that
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: was halfway between heaven and Earth. I was not in
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a totally conscious uh state. And somehow I knew that
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: if I went back to the top of the page
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and started reading the words again, it would stop. So
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I kept writing. I kept writing, and I kept writing,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and I got through the whole thing. And I'm still
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: in this frame of mind, not completely uh cognizant consciously,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and I lay down the steno pad and the paper,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know, and the pencil, and I slipped back under
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the sheets and I go to sleep. And I get
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: up in the morning and I have a coffee sitting
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: on the table. I'm looking at my horses out in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the pasture, and I've got a George Washburn flat top
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and acoustic guitar sitting in the kitchen in a stand,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: and I grabbed it and I started playing but pop
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: pop pop doo doo doo doo, and I went, wow,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: where the hell did that come from? And uh, it's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: like and then I grabbed this, this inversion of a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: C cord that just it just spoke to me in
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: such a way. It was like, man, and I'm looking
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: at that chord and I'm thinking, man, I can't forget
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: this this chord right here, and I'm looking at it
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and then I thought, oh, the words, Maybe that's a song.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's a song. So I go in and I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: grab the lyrics and bring them out, put them on
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the table. I pushed the button on my cassette recorder
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and I started playing it bad. Don't du dun, dude,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: everybody listen to me. You know, it just started coming.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And I took the cassette recorder to rehearsal that day
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and I played it for the guys and and they said, man, Fearner,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that songs a hit. That songs a hit man. So
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: they were right, and it's a hit with a lot
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: of people, but especially with our military and back when
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that song came out, it was during the Vietnam era,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and a lot of our brothers and sisters we're a
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: long way from home, but they wanted to be where
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I was. And so when the Vietnam Veterans of America
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: got ahold of my management in two thousand five, they
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: asked me if I had come and play the the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: at the memorial at the at the Wall, and it
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: was the anniversary h ceremony, and then I said, well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: rather than to just bring my guitar, I said, are
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you guys going to have stage set up in lights
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, oh yeah, we're gonna p a system
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and everything. I said, the whole band will come. We
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: will put a show on a full show for the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Vietnam veterans there and will include the song that they love.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And we did. Of course, we didn't charge them at all.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, god, how could you? And it was thirty
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: six degrees, Bob, it was thirty six and we were
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: warming our hands up on the lightbulbs that were in
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: this trailer so that we could play our instruments when
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: we got out there. And when it came time to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: play I'm Your Captain Closer to Home, Man, I looked
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: out and there was not a dry eye any place.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And not only our American brothers and sisters, but are
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Canadian brothers and sisters who are Vietnam veterans were in
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the crowd. And I had a very difficult time trying
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to sing because I was so choked up. It felt
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: like I had a softball in my neck. But it
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: was with all this appreciation and the emotional connection that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I was making with this audience, Oh my god, Uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the words came back to me, Uh for those you
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: want to get to and h and those words got
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to those brothers and sisters, and and that's that's what
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: keeps me going today. I I always dedicate that song
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: when we get to it, and said, I always dedicated
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to our troops and to our veterans, and just to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: promise we would never forget them. We appreciate them so much.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: They are kids following orders. They didn't start the damn wars.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: They're just kids following the orders. Now, back in that era,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the Vietnam War era, it was a tumultuous time and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: there was the draft. How did you deal with the draft?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I was physically disqualified. I got a four F. I
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: had some things, uh in my duadenal track and uh,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: some things that were you know, just we're wrong with me.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And when I went down for my physical into Detroit,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: they took me out of the line. We're all, you know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: marching along with our clothes in our hands and our
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: skivvyes on. And it came over to me and they said, uh,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: we want you to go over to this building um
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: at noon and uh, they all do the you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: finished the examination over there. Well, what had happened part
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: of the examination, as the guy in front of me,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: when they when they're taking a blood draw. He lays
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: his arm over the top of this board, and uh,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: when they hit him, there was blood that just kind
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: of come shooting out and and it just made me
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. Man, because I hate needles. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: just I would have made a bad drug agg But
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I got out there and I went to put my
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: arm over the board and that's the last thing I remember. Bam,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I was gone. I was out cold. I passed out
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: from that experience. And I woke up on this cot
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know that they had already taken the
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: blood um when I was out, and they had did
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you know some of our other examinations, And she the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the gal says, well, you need to go over at
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this building and they'll finish over there. So I went
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: over and talk to some people and they they said, uh,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: well you're not physically fit. You're not fit for military service.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, well, I guess it's it's my Uh,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I'll stay home and serve with my music. You know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: that was my attitude. Okay, what's so special about Michigan
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: and the music? You've certainly been all over the country.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Michigan known for hard rock, certain other things, certainly motom music.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: What is it about Michigan. I believe it is the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: fact that we had all of these auto factories up here,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Bob that drew people like my mother's family from Leech
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: for Arkansas. When she was sixteen years old, she moved
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: to Flint, Michigan. All of the you know Grandpacott and
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Uncle Woodie, Uncle Brian and uh, the whole everybody in there.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: You know cousins came north to get these high paying
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: auto factory jobs. Well, they brought their instruments with them
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: as well. And every Sunday, either at our house on
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Davidson Road my mom and dad, or at my aunt
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Dorothea's house on Normandy Court, there would be a jam
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: session and all of the kid would come and bring
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the fiddles, banjos, guitars, uh and play music and sing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: all of these old uh you know it's uh, I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: guess country roots and some little gospel in there. Um.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: But the women would sing and it was like, Oh
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: my God. I would just look up as this little kid.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I would never forget thinking these these ladies are actually
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: angels singing because it was so beautiful. It was the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: most beautiful thing I'd ever heard and uh and my
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: mother could sing so good. In fact, everybody in the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: family could sing. And it was always a good, you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: good time. And we either had Southern fried chicken with
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: those hockey puck biscuit uh, you know, or Sloppy Joe's.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: It was one or the other. But the chicken and dumplings, man,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: that was my favorite because I used to love those
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Doughey dumplings. Uh. And and just to everybody taking a
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: break to eat, but then they'd returned back to the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: instruments and get to play in and it was just
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: we spent hours every Sunday doing that. So it was
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: not just in our house, but everybody around Flint, and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure around Detroit and Pontiac and all of the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: satellite cities that had automotive related uh you know, factories
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and things to a c. Delco Turnsteads Fisher Body and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: my mother was the first woman in the United States
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: to weld on Sherman tanks at Fisher Body in Flint, Michigan.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And my dad was a tank driver in the seventh
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Armer Division and returned home with four bronze stars. He
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: was in four major battles and a lot of tank
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: drivers didn't get to see a second one brother. So
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: we were we were very blessed. But I knew a
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: lot of other you know, people that that love to
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: play music. And I think because of the North and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: South thing. My dad he blew saxophone and play guitar,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: but he was born and raised in Flint, Michigan. And
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and just the love that we had, it just it
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: came out. Uh. And the kids, you know, of those people,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: myself included, we didn't want to be in the shop.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: We wanted to do something else. We you know, we
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: saw that they were making good money and providing for
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the family and had everybody had two cars and a
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: boat and nice house. Uh, but we wanted something else.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: And so uh, you know, MC five came out, uh,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Iggy and the Stooges, the Rationals, Scott Richard, Kay's and
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Boy Dukes, a lot of these bands. Uh. And we
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: started hearing the sound that was being generated. And uh
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: so when uh the band that Don and Brewer and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I were in broke up. I told Brewer, I said,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: we need to start a three piece man um just
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: a three piece band and and see what happens. And
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: that's when we heard Mel Shocker at in Bay City.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: He was playing with question marking the Mysterious and when
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: they took a break and Mel came walking out. We said, hey, man,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: what are you doing. Would you like to join a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: three piece band? And he of course, Mel and I had,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: like I said, we smoked dope together back when we
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: were kids. Uh. He said, Man, I am so ready
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to leave this band. This is perfect timing. So Grand
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Fox started the next week at the Flint Federation of Musicians,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: the Hall on April Street and Flint, and we started
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: three piece. You can imagine. I had some guitar, of course, uh,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: electric guitar, and it's amped that this guy was letting
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: me use this West It was a West Fillmore amp
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: with two fifteen inch speakers, and it sounded so good,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: especially when I would hit that Jimmy Hendrix fuzz tone
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and you just really uh. I remember Hank Guyer coming
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: out and saying, you boys, turn that stuff down. We
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: can't even hear the phone's ring in here. But there
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: was a lot of us. Um you know, Alice Cooper
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: came out of Flip, or not out of Flip, but
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: out of Michigan. Glenn Fry, a lot of there was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of bands you know that that just came
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: out because of the North and South. Uh reunion that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: we had in there, and it was like it was
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: a family there was in the North. You didn't have
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the discrimination that you had in the South. Um, I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: had black friends, We hung out together. Uh, it was
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it was totally different. When you hit the Michigan state line.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: It was like, man, there was a bunch of friendly people.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: And it didn't matter what color you were. It didn't
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: matter what nationality you were. Uh. If you were a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: working man or working gal, then you were you were
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: part of the family. And and that's uh, I guess
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: that's what were you know, the music we call an
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: assembly line rock and roll just because of the nature
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: where it came from. We are the kids of those
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: who worked those assembly lines. Okay, let's go back to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the beginning. How many kids in the family growing up?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: What kind of kids were you? Popular, unpopular, troublemaker, not troublemaker,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: good student, bad students. In my family there was six kids,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: but my mother lost two sets of twins and three singles.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh, she was bound and determined to have kids.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: And when my dad died, I was nine years old,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and there were four of us in the family. My stepdad,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Reginald Russell, Fortune with a great guy. He married. My
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: mother was a couple of years after my dad died
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and she lost a baby with him, and then had
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to my sister Julie, and my brother Jimmy, God rest
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Jimmy soul. And we never looked at each other as um,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: half this or half that, or step children or you know.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I called Reginald his his brother couldn't say Reginald. When
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: they were small, he called him pege, so we called him,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: uh pege, and I called him Dad because I want
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: him to know that I accepted him as that role
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: in our family. And my brother Ricky is a guitar player,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: hell of a guitar player. My sisters all sing they
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: all good singers, and uh, they're still sucking air. And
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you know, except for Jimmy, and he had a stroke
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and we miss him, and uh and Page he died
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: he had a uh stroke as well, I mean later
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: in the years and uh and we miss him. But
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: we're still uh sucking Aaron and proud to be family.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And you were growing up going to school, go to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: public school, parochial school, have a lot of friends where
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you're good or bad. In school. Public school had a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: lot of friends. And once the music started when I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, was I started playing guitar, it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: kind of really slid downhill for me because I I thought,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to do anything but play music. Uh.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: When I would go out and play music with whoever
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: it was, I would play with these guys. Those guys
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I had several different groups that I would go out
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: with and we would pass the hat to get enough
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: gas money to get home. That's all we really were
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: concerned about was just getting back home. So we were
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: having a good time. And I didn't realize at the time,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: but it was learning in the chops. It was learning
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: to belt out those songs and learning that when I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: would hit those high notes, hey, you know, get up there. Uh,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: people really would turn their heads around. So I would
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: visit that more often even, you know, just to get
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: some heads turning. And uh. When in in school to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: high school, Um, I went to Cursionally High it was
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Class B school and uh, there was a Catholic school
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: down the road that it was Holy Rosary and at
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: lunch hour, Um, these Holy Rosary students would come up
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: and finish the day at the high school. They started
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the morning at Holy Rosary and then they came up
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't playing football at this time because I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: had received some injuries. And the doctors told my mother,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Mark's not going to be able to play anymore ball.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to run track, so
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have to find something else for
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: him to do. And that's when she got me the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: guitar lessons. She knew that I loved to hear my
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: name called out on that loud spo that was that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: was far her number sixty in on the tackle and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I would go prance in a cross that field.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: So anyway, she knew that I needed something that way.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: So I blame it on her that I got started
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: on a guitar. And here it is two years later,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the Holy Rosary kids are coming in and the football coach,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: who kind of was pissed at me because when I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: quit playing ball, so did about half the team. We
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: just hung together. We were friends, and they said, man,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: if you ain't playing, we ain't playing. You know, we're
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: just hanged together. And so he was kind of pissed
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: about that. And as the Holy Rosary bus pulls up,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: he looks over at me and I'm standing with like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: three of my friends around the radiator, uh, where the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: heat was coming out. Um, and that's where we hung
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: out during the lunch hour. And uh. He says, Farner,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: move your boys, and it made me feel like, oh,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me? These ain't my boys? And I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: said that to him. I said, I said, Mr, these
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: are not my boys. These these are your students. And
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: he came over. He grabs me by the shirt and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: he throws me up against the wall and my head
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: ricochets off this brass picture frame of the superintendent of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: schools that was there at had had the light on
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the top. And I reached back and I feel my
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: head because it was man, it was hurt like hell.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I reached back and I feel and I will, oh,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: is that wet? And I bring my hand down and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I look and there's blood all over my hand. And
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: at that moment, I was so pissed at this teacher
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: that I bam. I smacked him right in the eye
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and down he went. And I had rings on that
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: hand and when I hit his eye like that, it
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: unzipped his eyebrow and the skin fell down over his eye,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and he was he stood up and he was throwing
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: haymakers at me, but he couldn't see me because he
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: had skin in his eye. And I was ducking duck,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and I was timing it out, and I was gonna
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: nail him again. As as I draw back, like I'm
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: gonna hit him, my friend Derry Speck, God bless him.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: He grabs my army, says, Figer, you're in so much
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: trouble already, don't hit him again. Jesus, what's the matter
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: with you? Are you idiot? You know? And he drags
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: me off, and uh. I go back in front of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: the school board with an attorney to get back in school,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and this teacher who had the stitches up in his
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: eyebrow there he's sitting across the table glaring at me,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: and the school boarders saying trying to decide whether or
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: not they want to let me back in school. My
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: attorney and my attorney, and he was supposed to have
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: been a friend of the family. But when they mentioned
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: that I had long hair and I was using v
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: O five to you know, plaster it back. Uh, he says, yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: he does have those long sideburns. To my attorney says this.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: So I was so pissed. Uh this this teacher who
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: was algebra, algebra teacher and football coach. He says, let
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: me tell you something. If you let this kid back
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: in school, I quit And so I stand up. I said,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I'll make it easy on you, and I walk out
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: because they were not going to fire him. Uh, and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: they were not going to let him go. And I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: could see the writing on the wall. And so as
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I'm walking down the road, this attorney pulls up behind
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: me and then uh, after the traffic went by, he
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: rolls his window, pulls up alongst that he says, get in, Mark,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: get in. I'll take you home. I said, do you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: want to look like that algebra teacher? I said, if
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I get in that car, I'm gonna punch you into
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: your face. And so he just away he went, and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I walked the rest of the way home. I um
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: got into summer school. I started doing nights nights school
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and it was interfering with my ability to go play
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: music and to make money. And I told my parents,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I said, I think you know it's more important that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I make money now, and and put it together because
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: I got a car. I gotta you know, I got
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: things I got and I need the money for in
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: this school, the schooling has taken it away from me.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: So uh, you know, I would like to quit it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: with your blessings and and continue in my music. They said, son,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: you just do what your heart is leading you to do. Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: How did you go from there to end up working
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: with Terry Knight? What were the steps there? Terry Knight
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: was a DJ and he started as C. K l
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: W in Windsor, Ontario, and then he was working at
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: W T A C in Flint, Michigan, A A M
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Stations and he uh, he wanted to put together a
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: band because he had written some songs. And Don Brewer
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: and uh Kurt Johnson and Al Pippins, Bobby call Well
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: they were all in the pack and and HERM. Jackson
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: got the bass player got drafted and they said, hey,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: can you play bass guitar? I said, well, it's got
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: only got four strings and I'm playing a six string
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: now I know, I said, I think I could probably
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: do it. Uh. So I tried out and I made
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: the band because I could sing, I could do all
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: the harmony. Parts and playing bass. It came a little
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: easier for me because I played tuba in the marching
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: band before I got into playing football, so I had
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: that feel, the base kind of feel and uh, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: it just worked out for me. Okay, how many years
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: after you quit school? Was it before you got into
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Terry Knight in the back? It was two years? And
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: in those two years you were just digging with various bands.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: What was happening? Yeah, I was playing. I played with
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Dick Wagner and the Bossman. How'd you know Dick? Well,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Dick Wagner. Of course I would go and see them
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: because they were a fabulous band, and they would come
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: and play the Riviera Terrorists in Flint, Michigan, and they
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: would just tear it up. And they were a show band.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: They didn't just you know, stand at the microphone and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: saying they were all over the stage. You were a
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: show band. And I always admired them for, you know,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: for what they did, especially Dick for having the ability
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to write all those songs. So uh, he asked me,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Dick Wagner asked me if I wanted to to come
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: and join his band and uh and play out with him.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: And I went wow, and Dad be great man, Are
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: you kidding me? So? And in fact that my first
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: song that I had ever written, Heartbreaker, came as a
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: result of one night Dick Wagner and I sat up
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: after a gig that we played in northern Michigan. We
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: sat up in his UH studio in Saginaw, and we
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: were playing our electric guitars reel, you know, not plugged in,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: just and and electric guitars are not very loud if
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: they're not plugged in. So his wife and kids are
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in the other room sleeping, and I he showing me
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: some chord inversions and and I said, Dick, can you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: tell me how do you write all of these songs?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: He says it comes from within Mark. He says, you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: got it in you. I said I do. He says yeah,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: he says you can write songs. He goes to bed.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I stay up and I write Heartbreaker. That was my
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: inspiration when Herm was the Herm Jackson, the bass player
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: of Terry Knight in the Pack was drafted. It was.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: It was right at at the end of my run
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: with Dick Wagner and the Bossman. And I say the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: end of it because the keyboard player Warren Keith got
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to play with Hank Williams junior year, and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You're gonna go play with
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Hank so um At that time the band kind of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: split apart and and Dick Wagner formed UM, a different
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: rock band in in Michigan, the Frost with you know,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: with some great musicians and they are the pack because
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: of Herman's you know, being drafted. They asked me if
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I had come and play bass with him, so and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I I took to the base. I loved playing and singing,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: but Don and I both thought that either one of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: us could have sung better then Terry did. And what
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: he what Terry really had going for him was a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: lift of gab. He could, he could talk to about anybody,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: and he really had a schmoozing personality. So one night
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: after a gig and and Terry wasn't hitting his notes
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: very good, and and Don and I were just kind of, man,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: why are we doing this? That we were both kind
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: of bummed out because like I said, either one of
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: us could sing better than Terry h and we were
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: seeing this was just feeding his ego and he was
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: he was you know blowing up kind of blowing up
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: from it, and so I said, well, you know, why
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: don't we just have the pack without Terry night Brewer goes,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I'm in it, dude, I am in it. Let's fire
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: that s o b it's up. So we did. We
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: fired him that we're going out as a pack, and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: we did. We went out as the pack. We went
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: out as the Fabulous Pack. Uh where I was just
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: uh stand up lead singer in the Fabulous Pack. It
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: was this was just before Grand Funk, and we had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Kenny Rich, guitar player from Canada Windsor, Ontario. Um played
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: with steel picks on his fingers and he did a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: lot of this backpick and stuff. And we had Craig
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Frost on keyboards, and we had Rod Lester on basse
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Don on drums, and of course myself stand up singer.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: And the Delta Promotions who was doing some of our
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: booking for us. They said, there's an opportunity that's opened
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: up here where we could send you guys out to Boston,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: but you'd have to play these gigs for free, no money,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and we would They said, we would handle all of
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: your expenses. We'll make sure that you're fed, and you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: know you're not gonna die out there. We'll take care
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: of it, we'll put you up, but you've got to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: do this stuff for free. And we looked at each other, said, well,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: what the hell. It'll get us out of Flint, you know.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: So we go out to East Sandwich, Cape Cod. We
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: get two of these little cabins on the beach. Uh.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And this is the first time us Michigan boys had
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: ever seen an ocean. So we went out and you know,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: we're picking up all the starfish and picking up all
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: the seashells, and oh man, each one of us had
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: bags of this stuff, and we put them in the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: crawl space under these little summer cottages that were out there.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: And then and wouldn't you know it, the worst snowstorm
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: in the history of the world hits the East Coast.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, in sixty there it's sucked in them
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: this little space heaters that they had. Uh, we're not much.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't wouldn't heat the whole house. You had to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: be right next to it to feel any heat. The
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: pipes had all frozen, the all the starfish and things
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: that we were going to take back to Michigan. Uh.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: We're frozen in ice down in the crawl space, the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: pipes being frozen. We didn't have a functioning toilet, brother, Bob, Uh,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: you know, no tap water, So we would take a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: pan scoop snow come in and melt it down for
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: drinking water. For the water that we used to make
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: our oatmeal, which was the only thing we had for
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the last week we were there. We didn't have any
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: sugar to put on it. We didn't have any milk
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: or you know, anything to put in that oatmeal, just oatmeal. Uh.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: And and then happened to melt down the water, uh,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the snow to make the water to wash
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: the dishes. And I mean it was really a pain,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: even to the point of you know, each one of us.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Once in a while we got to do a number two, right.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: So we had these this old kitchen chair that didn't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: have a seat in it, uh, and that was our
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: little potty. We would put a paper bag underneath that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: with the plastic in the bottom of it and do
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: our thing, roll that paper bag up and go out
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: and bury it in a snow. Bang. That was it, dude.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: And thank God for the The store at East Sandwich, Massachusetts,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't have any money to buy anything. But the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: guy would give us paper bags. He would give us
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a little stack of paper bags, and that got us through.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: And Don's mother we end up uh using the guy's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: phone up there. When it finally got to where it
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: was working, the phones were down. I mean, there was
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: no communication. And we were there for got ten days.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: You know. It was just horrible. Uh. But but Don
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: called his mother and she Western Unions the money too
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: for us to go rent this van. She was a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: school teacher in Swarts Creek, Michigan, and she Western Union
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: the money to us, and Don you know, told her
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: we al pay her back and everything. So we got
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the van. We rented. This is before the credit cards, man,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: this was cash. So we rented. We put all of
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: our equipment in the van, came back to Michigan. We
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: drive up the Bay City because we want to give
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Key a piece of our mind. We found out that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: we were getting paid for those gigs three fifty dollars
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: a night, and back then that was not bad pay
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: for you know, garage band three piece. Uh. But anyways, Uh,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: we were in the outer offices and that's when uh,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: we had already determined we were going to do a
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: three piece thing, and we're going to go in and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: tell this guy Keyhole, uh that we knew we got
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: paid and we want our money, you know. But during
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: that waiting time in the out in that waiting room there,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: that's when we heard the base coming through the wall.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was Mel. I didn't know what
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: was question Mark and the Mysterions in that room playing.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: But when they took their break and mel walked out,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: it was like, wow, oh Melvin, you know. Uh. I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: told him what we were up to and he was
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: very much into it, and uh and the rest is history. Okay,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: how long until Terry Knight becomes your manager? Why does
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: he become your manager? And what happens before you get
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: to Atlanta? When he starts promoting how successful you are?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Don Brewer had kept in touch with Terry Knight, and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Don Brewer came to the band and then he confesses, well,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I've been staying in touch with Terry, and he says
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: he could do us some good because he's got an
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: apartment in New York City. He's made some friends there,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: he's got some connections, and I think we should let
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: him manage us. He wants to manage us. And I
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: thought for a minute, I said, he's gonna screw us Brewer.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: He says, yeah, but it will at least we'll get
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: out of Flint, the Sable sable, you know. And I said, well,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: let's hear what he's got to say. Anyways, And so
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: he came to Flint. He flew in. We we played
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: him some of the music that we were you know,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I was writing, we were putting together. And he says, oh,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: this is great stuff. He says, uh, if you got
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: a name yet, We went no, you know, we've just
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: been playing for you know, two three weeks here. We
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: don't have a name yet. But he says, well, why
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: don't you name your band? Oh the name of my
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: song Grand Funk Railroad. And I thought, well, because the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Grand Trunk and Western is an actual railway system that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: runs between Canada, you know, Ontario, Michigan and Ohio. Uh,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: that that would be a great play off of a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: very familiar name for US Michiganders and the people that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: are familiar with the railway system. So we adopted that name.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: And uh. The the attorneys for Terry in New York City,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Bell Doc and Kushnik Um, we're doing the legal work
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Pop Festival, which was on the fourth
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: of July. It was actually uh, I think it was
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: the third, fourth and fifth of July. And they worked
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to deal with the promoters that we're doing uh putting
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: that on so that we could play because we are
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Terry's band, that we could open that festival and we
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: would play for free and on all three days of
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: the festival. So when we left Flint, Michigan, how long
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: had the band been together before this happened, Oh, a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: couple of months, and he played any gigs around town,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: no play, no gigs. We did play the Hamburg County
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Fair in New York up by Buffalo. That was actually
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: our first gig as a Grand Park Railroad and it
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: was in a tent and the people really loved it.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: But it was, you know, all these music that was
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: on the first album. So on our way down to Atlanta,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the guy a jeep holland God Rest his soul. He
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: loaned his van, he had a window Vanish Chevy window
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: van and his driver, Jimmy, he loaned to the band
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: and we rented a U haul trailer and put all
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: of our equipment in the back and we headed to Atlanta.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: And when we went through Toledo, and we were on
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the other side of Toledo. Um, this was before I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: seventy was finished. There was a lot of back roads
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: that you had to take, a lot of detours that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: you had to take and get around. And we were
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: on one of those and it was just breaking daylight
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: and I was riding shotgun and I opened my eyes
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: and I see this sign coming at us. I se
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: and the arrows going to the right, and I know
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: that Jimmy's going way too fast. He ain't even seen
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: this sign. So I said, Jimmy, I seventy five goes
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: to the right, and he just jerks that wheel. I
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: guess he forgot he had a trailer on the back.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: And the trailer rolls down through the dish. The safety
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: change snap and it's we were lucky that it didn't
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: flip the van over and you know, hurt us. But
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: we take all the equipment out of the van or
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: out of the trailer, and all the guys got on
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: the other side. We flipped this two wheel trailer back
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: over on its tires. We loaded back up with what
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: we can you know, see visibly is our equipment is
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: all broken up. The some of the chassiss of the amplifiers,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the transformers had ripped completely off the aluminum chassis, and
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: the wires were busted and cut and and we just said,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: well to fix it when we get there. So we
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: throw everything in the trailer because we're running a little behind. Now,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: we go down. As we're going down the expressway, this
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: tire passes up and I look back. I looked back
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: and there has sparked flying out from underneath the trailer.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: I said, that's our tire. Then it goes bound, singing
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: across the expressway, uh over the northbound traffic and just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: about hits the semi. If it wasn't if he wasn't
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: been paying attention, it would have went right through his windshield.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: But it narrowly misses him and goes out into this field.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: We run down there and retrieve that tire. We take
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: two lug bolts off the other side of the trailer.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: We put it back together. The tires doing this. Bob, Yeah,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: it's doing this, But we're only doing like twenty or
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: fifteen miles at the most, and going right down the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: shoulder of the expressway. Well, luck would have it there
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: was a U haul trailer place at that first exit.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: So we make the exchange of the trailer and we
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: get back on the road and we are hauling the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: ass and we get to Atlanta just just a little
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: bit before we're supposed to get on open that trailer,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and here's all this equipment that's all messed up. The
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: speaker cabinets were still in one piece, but the amps
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: were all just like I said that, the transformers ripped
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: from the chassis. And these guys, we had two roadias
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: that were with us, and they're standing there like going,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: what the hell are we gonna do? And so all
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: these other road eas from ten years after, uh, from
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the ten wheel drive, a lot of the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: road eas I mean they're just hey, man, let's put
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: it together. You guys got to get on stage. So
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe the workbeat that happened in the last
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes. They were soldering wires back together. They
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: sat the transformers up on top of the heads. Uh
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: it was you know, there was a big hole where
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: it used to go, so they put them up on
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: top of the heads and they've got our stuff up
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: there and it worked. They just you know, color matched
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: the wires and it worked. Uh. And before taking the stage,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: you only the idea of you know, the enormity of
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: this crowd was. We were looking out between the cracks
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: and the fence and you could see the first few rows.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: You could see that it was they were having fun
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: and it was wide. I kept, I kept. I looked
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: down one side, I looked down the other way. Wow,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: is this a big crowd. But I didn't realize until
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: we walked up and we were fifteen ft above this
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: crowd's head. And I looked at it was the ocean
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: of people, an ocean right out to pass the front
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: of house, way out to the horizon. It was like
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: just people everywhere. A hundred and eighty five thousand people,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I believe is the figure. And Uh, I looked over
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: at the at my guitar tech and I said, dude,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe how bad I got a piss he said,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: He says, put this thing on, man, you got work
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: to do it. So we went out. We gave him
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: our first album. We gave him all that music, and
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: UH did for an encore because they kept calling us back,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, they more and more so the promoter says,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: you got another one. We said, yeah, we got one more.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: So we go back and we give him Land of
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: a Thousand Dances Wilson picket style. And during the song,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I take my guitar off and throw it over to
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: the tech and I've got this Paisley print shirt that
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: I paid fifty bucks for that shirt back then. You know,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of money. But it's sticking
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: to me. It's a see through Paisley print shirt, and
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's just got me constrained here, you know. So
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: I said, you know what, this this audience deserves this,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: and I go I ripped the shirt off, and those
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: people jumped to their feet, are going yeah. I was like,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: oh man, this party type and I go to dancing,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: and uh, I knew that that really worked. Taking the
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: shirt off really worked. And so from that point on, uh,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: I would go with just a vest on and to
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: take that vest off, like the second song, it was gone,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: you know, And that started. Uh. We opened at twelve
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: noon the first day. The second day they put us
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: on at seven pm, and the last night of the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: festival they had us on eleven o'clock with full lights.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: We had and they loved us. The people absolutely loved us,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: and uh that was a blessing from God. Man, I'm
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: telling you, yeh okay. You know, I was in the
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: New York radio market, and what I remember is these
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: radio ads about all these people thrilled in Atlanta, which
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: begs the question, I gotta believe that's Terry Knight. Would
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: you have made it without his intense promotion? I don't
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: think so. I mean it was Terry Knight that had
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: that gift of gam None of the band did, and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: those attorney sure didn't. Uh. It was all that height
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: and uh, his ability two convince people that we were
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: going to be big, we were going to do it. Okay,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: So how did you cut the first record? And how
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: did he end up being the producer? Well, we didn't
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: know any better. We didn't know any producers. We didn't
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: know that your manager didn't produce your records. We were
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: twenty years old about Mel was nineteen. Don and I
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: were twenty Mel was nineteen, and when we got the
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I got the idea, well we better put
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: this all this together in a record. Terry Uh knew
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: this gal who worked at a bank, and she was like, uh,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: you know a big to do UM and and he
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: could get him the money that he needed to record us.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: So we had her come to one of the engagements
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: that we played UM in Ohio and Uh, she saw
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: the band and she decided to finance the recording, and
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: of course he paid her back. And she she had
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: always come to the gigs whenever we were close enough,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: and we've we always had a great relationship with her
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: because of her believing in US and and Terry getting
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: her to make that investment. And we recorded at Cleveland Recording.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Don Hammond down there had beautiful uh array. He had
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: every microphone known to man, and his whole thing. Don's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: was don't eat Q the mix on the board. Don't
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: eat that. We'll get the microphone that that closely fits
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: it to where we don't have to use the e Q.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: And that cut a lot of the noise floor out. Uh.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: And when you got ears like Don Hammond had, oh
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: my god. Uh. He was very critical. He could he
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: could pick this stuff up. And Terry, uh, you know,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: he produced, he he mixed it, he pushed the faders
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: up in the but Don was responsible more for the
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: tone of everything. And uh, and that's where we recorded
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: on an eight track. Scully, buddy, how did you get
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: the deal with Capital? It was after the Atlanta Pop Festival.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: The there was a few Capital representatives there, you know,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: with the various bands that were on Capitol and uh,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: and Terry came back after the third night. He said, well,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: you guys, we got some interest. Capitol Records is really
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: interested in you guys. I think I got a deal going. Well,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: what he did was he made a production deal with
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Capitol Records and signed us to his uh good Night Productions,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: his company. He told us that the six percent that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: we were splitting was more than the Beatles, Scott, so
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: the two percent I got, two percent, Don got, two percent,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Mel got was more than the Beatles got. We didn't know.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: We're twenty year old kids. Uh. We said, wow, that's cool.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: But we didn't realize that it was a production deal
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: or we you know, we didn't know anything about that.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: We thought we were actually signed, uh you know, somehow
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: to the company. But that's what caused really, Um. The
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: breakup between Terry and Knight and us was it was
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: three years because they had this contract. Terry Knight had
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: us for three years exclusively and Uh, at the end
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: of that three years. We were in New York City.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: We had just returned from Europe. We did uh Shafe
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Stadium that summer. Uh you know, it was a big
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: year for us. And they said, you guys are in
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: uh in trouble with the I R S. We go,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? In trouble? We made all
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: kinds of Yeah, you made too much money. You you
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: owe over four hundred thousand dollars to the Infernal Revenue Service.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: And I go, what how did this happen? I mean,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: who's watching our books? Who's doing us? And he said, well,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: you know, just as the price you pay when you're big.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: And he says, but this is the attorney speaking. We
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: will loan you that money if you will resign another
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: three year contract with Terry Knight. And I looked at
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Don and Melt. I said, look, that's a big decision.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: We aren't just gonna make that kind of decision just
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: standing here off the cuff. They said, okay, you guys
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: stay in here. We'll go in the other room. You
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: talk it over. So they left. They scurried out of there.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I said, this is bullshit, you guys. I walk over.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I sat down at Bell docks death in his chair.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: I kicked my feet up on his desk and I said,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: you guys, something in the milk ain't cream. This feels
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: real bad to me. This feels so bad. It's like
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: we've been we have been screwed here. And as I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: said that, I sat up and my foot dragged down
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: off the top of the desk and opened that first
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: big drawer, that's the long shallow drawer. And here's a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: copy of the contract between good Night Productions and Capitol
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Records for six Bob. So I tell Don and Melt
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I said, you guys, you're not gonna believe this. Come
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: over here, look at that. And Brewer says, that son
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: of a bitch, because here, you know, we're splitting, two
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: said each and then him taking a management commission. He
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: took my publishing. I mean it was twenty years old.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: My mom had designed a contract. So Terry and I
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: takes my publishing, takes uh, you know, an enormous amount
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: of money. Uh. And then and then takes a management
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: commission from the pittance that the band was splitting. And
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: we just we were boiling at that point, and I said, well,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna tell him we can't make up our mind.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: We need a week or so to think about this.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: And so when they came back in, well, I had
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: shut the desk drawer, of course, uh, and I went
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: way across the room so it wouldn't look like I
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: was sitting in anybody's chair. And when they came back in, well,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: what do you what do you guys think? Said, we
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: need a week or two to think about this. This
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: is just just as just mind boggling how this could happen.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: And I came off as I was piste off. So okay, okay, okay,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: we'll let you We'll let you think about that. So
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: then we we left, and uh we got a hold
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: of Eastman and Eastman and John Eastman of course his
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: sister Linda Well married Paul McCartney and he was a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: big name in in the in the city. And uh
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: we said, you know, we want to we want to
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: get out of this. And it went to court and
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: we settled out of court. But Terry always told everybody, well,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: if those guys you know, would have waited to the
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: end of the contract, and then he made up some
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: kind of bullshit, uh, but tried to push the blame
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: of the breaking up between him and the band upon
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: the band. Uh when really that's uh, you know, when
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: you find out some information like that, you don't want
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: to ever see this guy again. And uh, and we
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: didn't at this late date. Who owns the songs? Do
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: you still get paid royalties? What's going on? Terry Night
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: owned the publishing Storybook music. And as you know, the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: publishing is fift of the pie. The songwriter takes fifty,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: the publisher takes fifty. But I should have been the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: publisher on all of my songs because I was the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: one out singing them, promoting them. I wasn't shopping them
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: to other artists to have them uh consider doing my
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: song where. You know, a publisher would have earned his
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: keep if he would get a song covered by a
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: big artist or something. But I was the artist. So anyway,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't find this out until later about publishing and
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: about you know how bad I got screwed. Uh. But
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the when we broke up Eastman, the breakup between Terry
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: and Knight and and the Grand Funk, Eastman had the
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: wherewithal to think, you know, we're gonna have to have
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: your record royalties paid directly to each one of you guys.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: That way, there's gonna be no hanky panky, and uh,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: you know Terry Knight's not going to have anything to
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: do with it. We get him completely out of the picture.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: So to this day we still get paid the record
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: royalties for record sales and now streaming directly from Capital
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: or I forget what the name of the corporation is
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: that has Capitals Old Recordings, but it's still paid that way.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: I get my songwriters, I get my b M I
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: uh because I ran all my stuff through UH Broadcast
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Music UM, but Terry Knight's state gets all the publish things.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: There were sixteen points in the deal, and each band
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: member was getting to subsequent to your hiring Eastman. How
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: many did you guys end up with? Well, I don't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: know what that was. I I don't know what the
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: final number was. I just was trusting Eastman to get
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: us the best deal. I do know that we renegotiated
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: and David Fishoff, who does rock and roll Fantasy camp
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: manage Grand Funk for one year on our reunion and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: six and we did the Bosnia album and uh we
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: put a wing on the hospital in Sarajevour Children's Hospital,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: UH and David negotiated our rate up because no one
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: had ever uh, you know, bargained up for the CDs
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: and all the digital stuff that you know, we were
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: evolving into into the music industry. All we had back
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: then we're records and tapes, cassette tapes or eight tracks,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: you know when when we first did our deal. So
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: we did get an update, uh, an upgrade in royalties then,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: but I can't even tell you what that is. I
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: would just let's look at it a different way. Do
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: you have to work to pay the bills? Or does
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: enough money come in? No? No, I gotta work. I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: have to work since Squam Funk broke up, has it
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: been financially good or has it been a struggle. It's
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: not a struggle because I love to play and as
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: long as I can play, I can pay. Okay, let's
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: go back. The first album comes out, Rolling Stone gives
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: it a terrible review, and certainly for the first couple
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: of albums, reviews are not positive. How do you feel
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: about that? How did you feel about it? Then? That's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: what I'm asking. We always thought, what show did they
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: go see? They didn't come and see a grand function.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: They're not giving um a report of of how popular
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: we are with the fans. They're just shipping on us
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: because part of Terry Knight's whole scheme was to keep
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: us from the press and create a mystique. And that
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: was what he gave you. That was his story he
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: gave us. So while we are not doing interviews, uh,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Terry Knight has taken that opportunity to tout his managerical uh,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: you know, his talents and uh. And then when Billy
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Billboard and cash Box came out, uh in nineteen I
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: think it was one the centerfold. Is Terry Knight doing this,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: given the finger to the world and he says and
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: to all a good night, k and I g h
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: d you know, and he had the ship eating grin
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: on his face. UM. And that that is we paid
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: for that attitude, Grand Funk. The guys in the band
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: paid for that attitude that Terry had, and that he
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: left a bad taste in uh, in the mouth in
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: the mouths of the press and those people that wanted
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: to do the interviews with us because he wouldn't let
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: it happen. And when we you know, to this day,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: I believe that is part of why uh, you know,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: we got all the bad rap. So ultimately Terry Knights
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: out of the picture. You end up working with Todd Rundgren.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: How does that happen? We drew names out of a hat, buddy,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm serious. There was a Rundgren was one of
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: them because Lynn Goldsmith, are publicist, knew him very well,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: had worked with him, and she said, uh, man, he'd
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: be great if he's if that's who you pull out
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: of the hat. And there was up several other people
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: that we put in the hat. You know, there's probably
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: eight names. And I reached in and I pull out
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Todd Rundgren and that's it. And that's how Frank Zappa
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: got h pulled two and we had names in a hat.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Pulled the name Frank Zappa. Okay, let's let's ask them
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: see if they'll do it. Uh. Todd was very willing
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: to come out h and to Michigan and hear us
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: and to work with us and see where we were
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: recording and see if he could get it done there.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: And in fact, when Todd was producing, I lived across
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: from the studio, which we lovingly called the swamp. We
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: had to dig up pond there in order to get
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: a perk test to put the building down and have
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: a you know, septic system. Uh. But you couldn't see
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: the farmhouse from the swamp because of the woods that
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: we had to go through. And the driveway was kind
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: of like an s and it's dirt, and where I
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: lived on a dirt road, Partialville Road. And I went
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: home for the for lunch to the farmhouse, and on
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: my way back, it was a beautiful day. The sun
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: was out, the birds were chirping and singing, and I
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: could hear the guys in the parking lot at the studio.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I could, you know, hear their conversation a little bit.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I could hear them talking. So I start saying, everybody's
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: dude in a brand who dance now? And then guys
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: start singing the backgrounds from the parking lot, and and
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: Rundgren comes walking out as I come around the corner,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: and now I can see the band and the crew
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: and they're singing and I'm still singing, and we're singing
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: the locomotion. Rundgren comes walking out of the studio. He said,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: what the hell is that? I said, what is that?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That's little Eva, that's the locomotion.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: He says, well, you guys get in here right now
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: because we're recording the Locomotion. We went in, he pushed
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: the button, we went in, and he came out to
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: record with us. That's him singing all that high false
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: settle part in Locomotion. We turned it into a party
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: and when the guitar solo uh starts, he walks over
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: to my rig Bob, and he grabbed the head on
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the eco plex and slid it from one end to
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: the other and he go im gonna do that. It
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: sounded like the car guitar was eating itself and people
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: loved it. Man, that was a big hit for us,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Number one. Okay, let's go back. I've talked to Todd,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: and Todd said when he was called that you had
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: new management and were an American band. Was already written
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: the song and he came in and cut it right away,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: and then it became a hit and then cut the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: album after. What's your memory of all that? Yeah? He Well,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: he was the first producer that we felt confident that
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: he could make the records sound like we did on stage,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: that he could actually put the energy that the band
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: was putting out and the and the sound, you know,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: the tone uh, which we never thought. Terry Knight did
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: a very good job of replicating what we sounded like
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: on stage on the records, as successful as they may
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: have been. But but Todd had the magic. He had
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: the musical genius. Uh. Easy for him. And one of
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: is a musical genius. It's it is easy that they
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: don't have to work at it. And I recall doing
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: American Band. We we we did it. We cut it
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: at the Step in the Swamp, but then we did
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: the vocals at Criteria in Miami. And when we finished
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: American Band, which, by the way, I said to Brewer, man,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: this song it needs a cow bell in the worst way.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: He says, I don't have a cow bell. I said,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: we need to get one. Dude, I'm telling you, I'm
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: hearing cow bell on this. He says, all right, all right,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll pick one up on a way to
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: rehearsal tomorrow. I said, no, man, pick up six and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: we'll pick the best one that matches this the chord
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: that we're playing this song. So he did that, and
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: and I taught him the drum intro that is my
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I heard that in my head and I said, this
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: is what I'm hearing for an intro, and then we
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: come in and he goes, man, I can't believe well.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I kept encouraging him, and the nicest way that he could.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I said, you know who you are. You're Don Brewer, dude.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: You could do this ship no problem. So we get
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: it down, we rehearse it. We get this thing down
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: and go to rehearse or go to Miami to record.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: And when we have done with the song, Don, it
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: was at night. Don comes to me and he says, Mark,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: I've never had a songwriter credit on any song. Would
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: you mind if I take it on this song? I said,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: go ahead. Even though I wrote the music. He didn't
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: write those chord changes. I wrote those chord changes. I
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: did the background vocal arrangement, and the Kyle Bell and
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: the drum intro I did. I had a lot to
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: do with that song. That's why he came to me
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: and asked me. Because any other song prior to that
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: that we had co written together, he did the lyrics.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: I did the music, and that's how we worked. I
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: didn't try to interfere or you know, change the lyrics
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: that he was writing. Whatever his ideas were, I wanted
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: him to you know finish that. So he's not the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: songwriter of that song. And anybody that would ask him
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and play it on whichever instrument he
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: wrote it on that they would soon find out. Uh,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: but nevertheless, I have that's part of my lessons, That's
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: part of my life lesson and uh, I don't regret it,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: because regret is debt, it's dead consciousness. Okay, you make
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: two albums with Todd and then you work with Jimmy Ironer.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: How do you end up working with Jimmy and you
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: have some success there? With Jimmy Einer was pulled from
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: a hat and we knew with the raspberries that he had,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: you know, had some great sounds, especially vocals. He had
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: a way with vocals man, and uh so we just
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: working with him. He was every time I come into
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: control room, Jimmy had this smile that was like looking
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: at the moon. I mean, you know, it lit up
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: the room and and he just loved what he was doing.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: And we worked at the record plant and did in
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: a bad time to be in love there. Oh my god,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: he did the vocals. I just couldn't believe how it
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: was coming out. And uh, he would have people from
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: the record plant come up, some of the engineers that
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: were downstairs, and the owner, he had her come up
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: and and there he's wanting me to keep singing this
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: song over and over over again. Uh you know that intro,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with you, and uh he just loved
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: that part. And uh, I'm glad that we did it
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: with him because that and some kind of Wonderful are
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: probably the best vocally arranged and the vocal presence, uh,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: those two songs of the whole catalog, Grandfat Catalog. So ultimately,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: from an outside view, you have an awaking and you
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: become very Christian. Was that something that people didn't know
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: about or was there some significant turning point in your life? Actually,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: when my dad died, you know, when I was nine
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: years old, I walked into the living room. My dad
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: had just purchased our first television set. Prior to the TV,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: we used to listen to the radio. We had a
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: big wooden radio, you know, like a twelve inch speaker,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: and would listen to the Lone Ranger and Flash Gordon
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: and Creaking Door all this stuff, and and all the
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: cousins would be around the speaker and we'd be eaten.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: You know, popcorn in these grocery bags, big huge bags
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: full of popcorn, and they're grease soaked from the butter,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and and we're just our imaginations are going
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: like crazy listening to Flash Gordon and the Lone Ranger
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: and all this. Uh So, when we got the TV,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: my dad was very proud that he could get that
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: for us. Uh and then he died like a week later.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: So I walk in out of the dining room where
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: my mother and my aunts and uncles, Grandma and grandpa. Uh,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: they were all just crying. They were they were sobbing,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: and it was just a lot of voices that were hurting, hurting.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: And I walked into the living room where the TV
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: was on, kind of faint, and I looked over and
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Billy Graham was doing a crusade in Flint, Michigan. He
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: was at Shasta or Shake. He was at the stadium.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: What the heck his name of the Yankee Stadium? No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: This was in Flint, Michigan. God, actually what was it
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Silver Dome? Anyways, he was there and that it was
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: packed and as he's talented, you know, I'd walking in
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: and he's telling the people if you need a touch
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: from God, if you are hurting, if there's pain in
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: your life. And I'm I'm going damn, he's talking to me.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: You know. I walked up to the TV and he says,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: I want you to pray with me. And I'm looking
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: right into his eyes. He says, put your hand on
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: the television set. I reach up and I put my
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: hand on a television set and I received Jesus Christ
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: as my savior. I confess it with my mouth. I'm
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: nine years old. I've been to church a few times,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: but you know, on Easter with my great grandmother, you know,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: or some other special holiday. It wasn't every week, every
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Wednesday, Sunday thing. It was just every once
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: in a while. But what I prayed, I felt a
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: piece come over me, an actual you know, nine years old,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: I can still remember that piece and it's that pieces
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: part of who I am now. But I went on.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I was a big star in Grand Funk Railroad. Uh,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: you know, rock and roll icon what have you. And
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: when I married Lisa, Uh, she's the love of my
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: life and to let's be two. So four years into
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: our marriage, we have two of the three boys that
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: we had together. But Jason and Joseph we're at the house.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: I come home from the studio and there was a note,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: uh that she's she's left, She's gone, she's leaving me boom.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: And the kids were over at my sister in law's.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: So I went over and I tried to play like,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: you know, oh, she she'll be coming back anytime, blah
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: blah blah. Well after that, after the first few days, man,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: I started going to church. I'm looking for God. I
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: walk into this one. The first church I go into.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: It's like hell fire and brimstone and all this bullshit,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: and I went, I did, Nah, he got ain't here.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: And I walk out. You know, I walk in and
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: part of my test, Bob was I put on my
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirt, faded blue jeans with holes in the knees,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: and my sneakers, and I got a headband on and
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: my long hair hanging down. I'm kind of hippified. I said,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know, part of it is if they can get
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: past this, I might listen to them, you know. And
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: that was part of the test for me. And then
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: I got into this other, one of the other church
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: I went. I went to one on Wednesday. I went
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: to one on Friday. I went to one on Sunday.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for God, And finally I got into this
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: little church where no but he knew who I was. Uh.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: These old ladies, I mean older ladies, uh came up
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: to me. Hello, Sun, how are you doing, Welcome to
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: the church, and blah blah, and they're hugging me, and
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: I felt like, are these people for real? Wow, this
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: is really kind of what I need, you know. Then
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: the pastor gets up there, Pastor Exley, he was uh
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: eighty four years old, preaching on the institution of marriage
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: according to God's work, How people walk out the front
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: door of the church and they leave the commitment that
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: they've made, this holy matrimony. They leave it behind when
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: they walk out the front door of the church and
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: they just off, you know, doing their life, and they
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: and the the Testament and and uh, what brought him
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: together in the first place, and to that point gets
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: left in the church and that's why marriages fall apart.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: And it was, man, it was like this guy had
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: a gun and he and he was shooting me with
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: this gun. He had no blanks in that gun. And
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm thinking, he singled me out. He knows
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: I got trouble, and he gives an altar call and
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: I go up there. I scurried up there, and I said,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: I told him the story. I said, my wife left me.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I I gave my life to Jesus back
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: when I was nine. But uh, you know, I've been
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: involved in all this worldly stuff. I'm not really you know,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: a churchgoer or anything. I said, but man, I want
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: my wife back. He said, Uh, well, I understand it,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Sonny. I said, well, can you pray with
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: me to get her back? He says, I'll tell you
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: what I'll do, son you pray and I'll agree. So
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: I prayed. I said, God, I want my wife back.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: I want her back. I I want to have my
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: life with her. I want to have the mother of
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: my children. And I'm crying, you know, and I just
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: just like I just said, and he agreed. He said,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: I agree on touching that prayer in Jesus name. And
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: I found out my wife gave her life to Jesus
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: that same day, fifty miles away in another city, Ah
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: that morning. And AH. So we got back together two
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: two days, baby three at the most, and we've been
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: solely sold out to each other. And uh, and we
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: have allowed that love to be real and to hold
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: onto it and to um, I esteem my wife to
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: be equal with myself Bob Um. How could you love
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: somebody with everything you are? And I believe this is
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: what we have to do, is man, that we have
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: to give all of ourselves to that relationship, reckless, abandoned. Uh.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: You've got to give yourself to love and then it'll
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: come back to you. And and that's the way we've
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: played it. And for fort or four years now it's working. Okay,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: So family is the most important thing. But Grand Funk
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: rail Road, what do we know? The song still stay alive.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: In the beginning, you said, well, you would like to
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: get together with the other two for the fans. Yeah,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: But how do you feel about the legacy of Grand
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Funk Railroad? Do you think you've gotten to do? You know,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: there's always the question of the rock and roll Hall
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: of Fame, whether that's an institution that has any gravitas
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: or not. But how do you feel about it all
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: these years later? Well? I feel like, uh, in the
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: hearts of the true fans, they know who I am
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: because I wrote that music and my songs are I
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: am who my songs say I am. They are a
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: testimony to my life, to my belief, to my love,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: to my convictions. And I can leave this world knowing
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: that and pretty pretty happy. Guy. I would love to
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: have that band entertain the fans the truth Grand Funk fans,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: just from that point of view. I was sharing earlier
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Bob about me being a Beatle fan, and I wanted
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: to see, you know, the four dudes up there. I
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to see them. I wanted to feel that magic.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be there. And I think that there's
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of fans that would still really like to
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: see the original three guys get up there and do it.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: But it's my feelings are not shared. So um, the
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: way it stands is, I just have to keep telling
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: myself and reassuring myself that at least my willingness and
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: my uh trying, you know, my efforts to put the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: band back together for the sake of the fans, it's
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: good enough. It's good enough for me. That has to be.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let it become a burden to me
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: because that would put me in debt. Brother, Okay, but meanwhile,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: you're working and you work with your band, you also
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: work solo acoustic. Uh so how do you decide which
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: show to do and how often do you work? I
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: do them all, anything that comes along, as long as
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: I and pay my guys and pay my air affairs. Oh,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: I do them all. I love to perform. I love
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: it when people call my name out. I love it
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: when my name was called out on that loud speaker
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: and I was prancing across that football field. I love
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: it when people holler out from the crowd, we love you, Mark,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: We love you Mark. I love you Mark, Thank you Mark.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: It's so gratifying. Two. I wish people could know this.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: I wish every person could know how it feels to
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: truly be a brother. Too many people but a being.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: On that note, we're gonna leave it at that. You know, Mark,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: it's really it's just fascinating. You know, I've seen the band,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: and to talk to you gives me a lot of
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: insight that I didn't have, And I think my listeners
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: will feel the same way. And there are a lot
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: of people who love you and love your music. You know,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: it's funny because certainly weren't American being phenomenal track and
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: closer to home. You know, I'm your captain, but when
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: I hear some kind of wonderful, you know, come out
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: of the speakers, it just does something for me that
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: I pull it up, you know on the streaming service.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just got that exuberance and you know
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: that lives on you after fifty years of bullshit. You
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: hear that and you go, wow, thank you. I appreciate
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: those words, my friend. I appreciate that encouragement. Until next time.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: This is Bob Left Sex