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The Last of Us Part 2 Special: Episode 3 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha and all your stuff
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  Speaker 1: Never told You production by Heart Radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of our special mini series on the season
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  Speaker 1: two of the Last of Us. Huh, I could have
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  Speaker 1: said that much better. But basically, season two of The
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us, the first season, we did a little
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  Speaker 1: mini series where we recap every episode and then talk
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  Speaker 1: about the themes, and we're doing it again for season two
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  Speaker 1: and it's been a delight so far, even if the
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  Speaker 1: subject matter is not so delightful. Sometimes that is something
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  Speaker 1: that I love. Apparently there are spoilers for the most
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  Speaker 1: recent episode two have come out as this episode comes
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  Speaker 1: out a week before, and also that previous episodes season one,
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  Speaker 1: the first game and parts of the second game, so
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily plot points that are going to relate to
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  Speaker 1: the second season. It's very complicated, but we we were
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  Speaker 1: very careful and honestly, they've changed a lot of things up,
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  Speaker 1: so I've got some questions myself. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I would turn around with some questions doing it. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: did this happen in the game? Like no, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: who are these people?
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  Speaker 1: So we are being careful, but we also don't quite
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  Speaker 1: know ourselves, even though I have played the game a lot,
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  Speaker 1: as Samantha has watched me play it and heard me
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  Speaker 1: talk about it a lot. But yes, so basically we
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  Speaker 1: go over the plot of the episode and then I
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  Speaker 1: mostly talk about my thoughts about it. I have been
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  Speaker 1: forgetting to mention we are pausing our sex and the
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  Speaker 1: city segments and our fiction just for the duration of
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  Speaker 1: this because those are harder things for Christina in to do.
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  Speaker 1: But well, once this is over, it's only seven episodes,
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  Speaker 1: and then we will pick back up with those things,
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  Speaker 1: so we haven't forgotten those things. But if those are
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  Speaker 1: things you're really into, do not worry. Also, hopefully you
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  Speaker 1: enjoy these things even if you haven't played the game
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  Speaker 1: or watched the show. Also, if you're still mad after
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  Speaker 1: what happened in the last episode, because I know some
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  Speaker 1: of you are heard from some of you, Samantha, can
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  Speaker 1: you give us a recap? Yes, I will.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, a lot of writers are very
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  Speaker 2: upset too. When I was looking up, like I need
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  Speaker 2: to go back and recap just to make sure I
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  Speaker 2: don't miss things, and the people all were like, well
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  Speaker 2: without Pedro Pascal, like well, damn, they really didn't see
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  Speaker 2: it coming. Okay, here it is, but yes, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: So we are back and we are Pedro Pascal less.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry yeah, sorry, And we get to witness Ellie who
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  Speaker 2: has been admitted to the hospital with many others and
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  Speaker 2: she wakes up during at the beginning against a hospitalization
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  Speaker 2: in her trauma, still witnessing in her mind Joel's death
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  Speaker 2: and wakes up screaming, and then it has to be
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  Speaker 2: back under. Then we also see Tommy working with Maria
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  Speaker 2: to get the town back to where it was. We
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  Speaker 2: see people like reconstructing the town. We have a really
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  Speaker 2: great shot of Jesse being so manly with his you know,
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  Speaker 2: giant hammer.
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  Speaker 1: We love it.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on, and we also see a touching moment
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  Speaker 2: between Tommy and him saying goodbye to Joel, uh cleaning
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  Speaker 2: him off and saying say hey to Sarah for me,
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  Speaker 2: the daughter that died in season one. That's not a spoiler.
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  Speaker 2: So with all of that heartbreaking scene, Ellie does finally
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  Speaker 2: wake and during this time she has to go through
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  Speaker 2: all the things in three months and everybody's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: she good to go. She has to talk to Gail.
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  Speaker 2: Great interaction between her and Gail and which She tries
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  Speaker 2: to give the perfect answers to be released, even to
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  Speaker 2: the fact that Gail was trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 2: she was met at Joel for and Joel she was
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure it out what Joel insinuated when he
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  Speaker 2: said I saved her, and Ellie plays, you know, ignorant
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  Speaker 2: to this. She's like, I don't know, what do you
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  Speaker 2: say to you? Trying to also get information, but that's
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  Speaker 2: all we get. And she gets the clear and she
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  Speaker 2: goes home. She goes to see all these tributes on
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  Speaker 2: the fence of the home of Joel's, and we get
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  Speaker 2: the heartbreaking scene of her going through all his stuff,
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  Speaker 2: crying at the scent of his shirts, and at the
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  Speaker 2: same time we hear come in or not to come in.
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  Speaker 2: She brings her some cookies and she's like, oh for me.
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  Speaker 2: They have it back and forth for a second. She's
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  Speaker 2: like just for nothing, and she's like, well, I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to piss you off, in which at that point she
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  Speaker 2: talks about the fact that at first, when she came
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  Speaker 2: to the hospital, Dina had lied and said she didn't
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  Speaker 2: know anything about the people, when actually she knew a lot,
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  Speaker 2: including the fact all of their names Essentially, she knew
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  Speaker 2: where they were part of the WLF or Washington Liberation
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  Speaker 2: Front all right Wolf as you will see, and that
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  Speaker 2: they were going to Seattle. She knew it all, well,
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  Speaker 2: not all, she knew a good chunk and she even
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  Speaker 2: knew enough information that Eugene had mentioned Wolf before uh,
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  Speaker 2: that Federa had fought them and to the to their knowledge,
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  Speaker 2: they had been pretty much wiped out. Doom Doom, doom.
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  Speaker 2: And so of course Ellie is pissed off because she's like,
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  Speaker 2: we lost all this time I needed, we could have
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  Speaker 2: gotten to have gone after them and all these things,
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  Speaker 2: and and Dina was like, you would have because you
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  Speaker 2: need a treatment. She was very injured. So that goes
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  Speaker 2: back and forth. We also see Tommy talking to Gil
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  Speaker 2: as well at one point, talking about is Ellie okay?
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  Speaker 2: What do we need to do? Should I be concerned?
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  Speaker 2: And She's like, yes, you should be concerned, and yes
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  Speaker 2: Ellie is not okay, and yes Ellie is a liar.
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  Speaker 2: So this interaction between the two of them. We also
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  Speaker 2: see a moment between Jesse and Ellie. Ellie's training real
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  Speaker 2: hard on the punching bags, so we have that moment
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  Speaker 2: and he's helping her. We also find out that Jesse
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  Speaker 2: is now part of the council, I guess, after the
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  Speaker 2: death of so many and they will be making a
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  Speaker 2: decision on whether or not that you get a posse
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  Speaker 2: together to go after those who had killed Joel. And
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  Speaker 2: he gives her a word of advice. He's like, write
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  Speaker 2: it down. You're not great at convincing people, and you're angry,
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  Speaker 2: and it's obvious, he's like, and you're not gonna get
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  Speaker 2: your anger is not going to motivate people like Maria
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  Speaker 2: who is on the council. So she's like, okay, I'll
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  Speaker 2: get it ready. And so we go through and they're
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  Speaker 2: having all huge town hall meetings, starting off with the
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  Speaker 2: silliest things like planting things. I think they talk about,
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  Speaker 2: okra or is that corn corn?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the back and forth on that, and then
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  Speaker 2: we have her people talking and one woman talks about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they've lost a lot julement a lot,
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  Speaker 2: but everybody's lost in one at this point and they
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  Speaker 2: need help and getting themselves together and can't be sending
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  Speaker 2: off a lot of people, especially their best people. When
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  Speaker 2: we just went through this thing at Jackson Hole's what
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  Speaker 2: she says, So Carlisle gets up and says, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we need to move on mercy, all these things, forgiveness,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then Seth goes on the best bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: We have been attacked. These are our people, and we
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  Speaker 2: have to show force. This has to be about our
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  Speaker 2: you know, protecting our own all these things. We can't
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  Speaker 2: be weak. And then we have Elie stand up with
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  Speaker 2: her piece of paper that she had written out and
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  Speaker 2: she goes from not vengeance but justice, and remembering that
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  Speaker 2: Maria was a prosecutor, She's like, all right, here's what
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna do. We need justice. This is about coming
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  Speaker 2: to terms with understanding that this is what is right,
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  Speaker 2: and not necessarily because I'm angry. That's a great speech.
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  Speaker 2: And so they do a whole vote and it's three
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  Speaker 2: to eight three yes, eight no. So it's a no,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody's like, who are the ones who said yes?
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  Speaker 2: The aftermath seems to take that Maria said yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it seems to be Maria, and Tommy said yes,
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  Speaker 1: and Jesse said no. People have really tried to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the way the paper was collected. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that makes sense because if they were there's no
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  Speaker 1: two yeses in a row. And Tommy and Maria were
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  Speaker 1: sitting next to each other, and I do believe they
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  Speaker 1: both said yes, but I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: In interesting anyway, so we have this and Ellie is not
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  Speaker 2: having it. She goes home and you see in hersha
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  Speaker 2: she is getting already. She's got her gun, she's got
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  Speaker 2: the gun from Joel, she got a pack, and she's
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  Speaker 2: got her determination. And then at the same time we
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  Speaker 2: hear Dina at the door like let me come in,
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  Speaker 2: and Ellie scrambling like, oh god, oh God, and finally
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  Speaker 2: that's her, and and Dina, being the Dora the Explorer,
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  Speaker 2: which has been a whole meme in my world, comes
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  Speaker 2: with a backpack, a map, and a requirement of boots,
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  Speaker 2: which is if you know, you know, she is the
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  Speaker 2: well prepared person and trying to remind her how to
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  Speaker 2: go about things, what they need to do, the supplies,
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  Speaker 2: all the things that make sense, and is well prepared
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  Speaker 2: for a backpacking trip, backpack, backpack anyway, and she says
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  Speaker 2: she has a guy who can help with guns and
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  Speaker 2: maybe a horse shimmer. Yeah, and anyway, moving on, and
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  Speaker 2: as they're getting ready to go, they meet at three am.
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  Speaker 2: They meet up and Seth is the guy that is
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  Speaker 2: helping them, gets them a gun, a better gun with
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  Speaker 2: a scope, and they have a good old handshake and
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  Speaker 2: like you know, obviously they're they're all the same page here,
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  Speaker 2: but still Ellie doesn't like him rightly so but he
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  Speaker 2: is very much blessing them in this travels and tell
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  Speaker 2: them good luck essentially as they move on. Tommy had
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  Speaker 2: told Ellie earlier where Joel was buried. Uh, And so
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  Speaker 2: she goes out to give to pay respects and with
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  Speaker 2: a handful of coffee beans, which I have a feeling
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  Speaker 2: maybe they will see more about later, it drops coffee
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  Speaker 2: beans on his grave and says goodbye. They ride off
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  Speaker 2: into the beautiful sunset. Is very glorious scene sends the
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  Speaker 2: I guess all the graves stories beautiful as they go off.
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  Speaker 2: We also have a snippet of another group, the Seraphites
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  Speaker 2: or the Scars. You see the scars on their face
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  Speaker 2: talking about war and talking about their prophetess who died
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  Speaker 2: but told them to move, and then that they're fleeing
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  Speaker 2: the Great War. They have nothing but hammers and sticks
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  Speaker 2: on them, it seems their defense and they communicate by
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  Speaker 2: whistling in the way, and they travel as a pack.
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  Speaker 2: But during the time, as he's trying to explain everything
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  Speaker 2: and the little girl gets her first hammer and they're
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  Speaker 2: having kind of a sweet father daughter moment, we hear
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  Speaker 2: the whistle that's like, oh, go hide, and so they
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  Speaker 2: all go hide. And then we go offscreen. We have
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  Speaker 2: Dina and Ellie coming together, and I thought we were
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  Speaker 2: going to have maybe the scene that I thought would
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  Speaker 2: happen in the previous episode in this episode, but it
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  Speaker 2: didn't believe that at that But they do have a
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  Speaker 2: moment of flirtatious moments of talking about the kiss and
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  Speaker 2: whether it meant nothing, and then found out that Dina
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  Speaker 2: had gotten back together with Jesse during the time, I
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  Speaker 2: guess she was in a coma or in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Interestingly enough so that back and forth happened there for
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  Speaker 2: a second, very cute thee interaction. And then we wake
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  Speaker 2: up to them traveling and finding the spot where the
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  Speaker 2: Scars or the Seraphites have been attacked. Finding that area
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  Speaker 2: and we see all of them dead, including the little girl.
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  Speaker 2: Dina throws up ooh, thinking that that maybe it is
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  Speaker 2: because of whatever whatnot because of the bodies and all
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  Speaker 2: the stench. As they move on, they kind of talk
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  Speaker 2: about the wolves and again, how a little small of
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  Speaker 2: a pack there are that we have a very infamacy
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  Speaker 2: of them coming up on Seattle, which any gasps and
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  Speaker 2: have some good moments in these moments, and they get
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  Speaker 2: prepared to go to the wolf encampment, I guess. And
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  Speaker 2: then we get to a cut scene where it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a large group of people marching together with giant
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  Speaker 2: tanks with the patch w LF or wolf n scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then you see many in the space
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  Speaker 1: needle and.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, people, that's true, and he is trying,
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  Speaker 2: he's on the lookout and he misses them by barely
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  Speaker 2: two seconds. Yes, because of the way they ask for
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  Speaker 2: coordinations of what he was supposed to be looking out for.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of going back to like the whole
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  Speaker 1: Joel could have avoided death in so many ways. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of instances of that kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of thing circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to say, like I think, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is a spoil that we're gonna learn more
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  Speaker 1: about a lot of these characters. And I do kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel bad for Manny's character because he they kind
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  Speaker 1: of amalgamated him with another character named Jordan who's not
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  Speaker 1: in the show, and I think it makes sense. But
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  Speaker 1: Jordan was pretty much of check and Manny. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I could get on board, like I might, I might
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  Speaker 1: not like some of the stuff you've done, but I
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  Speaker 1: see the friendliness and all that. But now he's sort
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  Speaker 1: of like, but he's not right. I don't know. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see what happens, but at this current moment, he's he's
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  Speaker 1: much douchier than he was in the game. It's full.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks as always, Samantha for the wonderful recap. Also wanted
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  Speaker 1: to thank you for this episode. We do these watch
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  Speaker 1: parties and Samantha really through a wonderful wake. We made
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  Speaker 1: funeral food.
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  Speaker 2: I made research because I would assume it's similar to
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  Speaker 2: what I know in Georgia, and that's kind of what
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  Speaker 2: I was basing it on. But I did look up
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Texas funeral food foods and the number one was fried chicken.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, that makes sense, so we we went and
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  Speaker 2: grab some fried chicken. But then I was like, and
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  Speaker 2: then obviously all the cast roles a limp salad, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why it has to be limp. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's because they sat out there for so long.
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  Speaker 1: It was good.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the sound though I got was was on point.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is tasty. Maybe I just
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: really craved vegetables. I don't know, it's been a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah. So we had three different types of cast
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  Speaker 2: four different types of cast roles.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, for very small amount of people.
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  Speaker 1: We had funeral potatoes, which.
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  Speaker 2: That was new to me. I've never had before, so
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  Speaker 2: that was new to me. That cooking that finding that
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  Speaker 2: recime was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's green bean castle always a classic mac and cheesemento
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  Speaker 1: mac and Cheesemo mac and cheese a golf pun because
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: we're terrible people, the Masters. If you don't know, pamenta
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  Speaker 1: cheese is really highly associated with the Masters golf tournament.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lovely evening. Oh and we also had
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  Speaker 1: coffee and whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So my partner does great cocktails and he was
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  Speaker 2: prepared with his coffee whiskey cocktail and I made an
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  Speaker 2: espresso bourbon glaze to go over these. I did not
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  Speaker 2: make these about about these like cinnamon chip cupcakes or
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  Speaker 2: muffins as a drizzle so that we can be on theme.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and we nailed it. We discussed in the previous episode.
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  Speaker 1: We've been off with every one of our themed meals
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  Speaker 1: by a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But we were on this time. I feel like it
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  Speaker 2: was obvious, but.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll take the win. I'll take it. And we
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  Speaker 1: were really like, you know, the one thing we kept
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  Speaker 1: saying that we knew Joel loved was coffee, and this
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  Speaker 1: episode bore that out. We'll talk about that in a second,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So here we go. This episode is called
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  Speaker 1: the Past. Interestingly, they changed the title from the previous title,
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  Speaker 1: so they're really messing with me.
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  Speaker 2: Now, maybe they do listen to us, because you do
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  Speaker 2: predict a lot of based on titles, and they know this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to think we may have a listener.
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  Speaker 1: I remember last time we did this, something strange happened
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, somebody might be listening. Probably not,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a little interesting that that happens. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I do find delight in annoying, like I know secrets
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  Speaker 2: because I can you divulge and they don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: know your secret is this way. Yeah, I can find
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  Speaker 2: delight in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it was supposed to be called Something's Got
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  Speaker 1: a Hold on Me, which is an Eda James saw
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  Speaker 1: about love, and Ellie has an Eda James poster in
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  Speaker 1: her room. But the New Final Destination Movie, which none
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  Speaker 1: of these are sponsors, by the way, I should have
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  Speaker 1: said that at the top, the New Final Destination Movie
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  Speaker 1: has that song as the trailer song and it takes
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  Speaker 1: place in Seattle, and so I was like, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: Is this some kind of connection or is it some
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  Speaker 1: coherence that was happening. Maybe that's why they changed it,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe they realized I'm reading too much into these things.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was very much me. But anyway, so this
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  Speaker 1: is what it is called the path, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that works in a variety of ways because we have
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  Speaker 1: the path that Joel took that Gail and Tommy talk
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  Speaker 1: about together you'r Gaale being the therapist played by Catherine O'Hara, uh,
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  Speaker 1: And then we have the path that Ellie is going on,
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  Speaker 1: and then we have the path more in a religious
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  Speaker 1: sense that we're going to learn more about with the Seraphytes.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of paths, and there's even a
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  Speaker 1: lot of path imagery. They were on kind of a
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  Speaker 1: hiking trail, both Ellie and Dina and the seraphytes at
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  Speaker 1: a certain point, so that's what it's called a I
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  Speaker 1: even gave a speech at Joel's wake and it was terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Your partner called me out. And later somebody texted me
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and was like, did you at least say the nurses
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: thought he was hot? And I was like, ah, I.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Think we all mentioned that because we were talking. We
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: taught a TikTok. Everybody's like if the nurse.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: The nurse, well, after he's murdered, everyone like, but he
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was hot.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, but he was super hot even after He's
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: like really, but uh yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But anyway, one thing that I find is interesting about
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the sort of if things were reversed arguments that people
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: get into. Myself included about this is Ellie says, if
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it was me or you, Joel would be halfway to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Seattle already, and Tommy says not. If we had lost people,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he would be there to save my wife, but he
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be And that's interesting because I would think he
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: would want revenge. But I also think, on the other hand,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't want Ellie to do it because he wouldn't
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: want her to be in danger. He wouldn't want her
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to do it for him, So I I don't know
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: quite what I think, because he just seems like a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: very vengeful person to me. But I do agree he
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want Ellie to do it, and that's kind of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: an interesting flip of the whole agency conversation. Because Ellie
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: didn't want Joel to kill all the fireflies, he, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: would argue, did it largely for himself. I'm not saying
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he wasn't thinking about Ellie, but I think he just
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: really didn't want to lose another daughter figure. And now
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: she's not really thinking about what Joel necessarily would want,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: but what would make her feel better and sort of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: this vengeance idea. I am going to talk about the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: whole justice versus vengeance thing because that's interesting. Also, the credits,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the opening credits, gotta twist the knife, because not only
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: is Pedro Pascal's name not in there anymore. At the end,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: when there's two so wits there used to be, now
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: there's only one because she walks the path alone. Oh
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I didn't notice that when we watched it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But man, all right, so this is a I feel
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like the first season did this too, but they did
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it in the opposite where there is a very action
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: packed episode and then a more establishing episode and then
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: an action packed episode and sort of that balancing act.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: So this episode is the we're dealing with the fallout
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of what happened in the very action packed, dramatic, dramatic
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: previous episode. And if you've watched any behind the scenes
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: at all or heard any interviews at all, you'll know
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: this is not really in the game at all, none
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: of this rebuilding, none of this dealing with grief. It's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: very interesting because they have plenty of things that are
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like shot for shot exactly, line for line exactly, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: then they have things that are just completely not in there.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But this was one where the showrunners were talking about
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: in the game. It essentially cuts from Joel is dead
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to you're at his graveside, and then you're leaving to
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: get revenge. Like that's it's quick and the differences we'll
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: get into in a second, but like it happens very quickly,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So this is much more of a moment to grieve
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this character and to sit in it for a second.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But it's still kind of I feel like for Ellie,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: because Ellie was in the hospital for so long, she
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: didn't she didn't really have that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I think she's this whole time just been consumed with
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I want to get out of here, whereas other people
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: have been working to rebuild the town or whatever it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: is Bury the Dead, but she hasn't had that. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do think it's interesting when Gail comes in to clear
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Ellie and Ellie does say as you mentioned, she says
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like the right things. It's very obvious she does not
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: believe anything she's saying. I think she's kind of baiting Gail.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, yeah, and Gail's like, oh, if
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: only everyone was as healthy as you. She knows she's lying,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and she cleared her anyway, and that I think that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: goes back to a line she has later when Tommy
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: comes to her for help and it's like, I'm really
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: worried about her, worried she's going to do something like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Joel would do where he would justify things, but he
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was really lashing out. And Gail says, some people just
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: can be saved. And one of our friends we were
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: watching it with who works in the healthcare industry, was
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: very much like, yeah, she had like a visceral reacal,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, But that whole idea too of Gail
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, you're a Ellie is a liar. Ellie
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: is not just lying, she is a liar. And I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think that does relate back to Joel of his lie
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that he told Ellie. And it's another way that they're
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: very similar, going back to the first episode of the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: season when Tommy said, you and my brother you're the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: same person. But Gail makes the point that this is
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: ultimately Ellie, like Joel had very little influence on who
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: she is. This is her And I like that because
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it feels like a way of giving her age. See,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: even if it's not what you would want for a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: character that you kind of grew up with you y'all,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: dang it. But I think that's true and that can
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: be really hard to accept. And also, yes, I'm very curious.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: We've mentioned it several times. We don't know this Eugene
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: storyline that's going to happen.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: It doesn't happen to be someone who knew a lot
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and talked a lot.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, And my theory is like, because he's part of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the Fireflies, this isn't a spoiler because I literally don't
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: know that Joel. Maybe Eugene realized something and Joel killed
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: him preemptively before Gail could say goodbye, like maybe he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: was still turning or something, but there was time that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he killed him fast. I don't know, but there's a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: part of me that thinks as Gail does. One of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the reasons, she kind of pushes on, what was that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: last conversation you had or what was what was this
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: thing that where he wronged you by saving you? I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see meat shot see and then yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I guess I should have said this earlier. But set
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the bigot. I said in the last episode he died
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: because I thought he had. He was one of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: flamethrower guys that didn't run, and you see him getting
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: knocked over by what I thought wasn't infected. But in
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: this episode it says friendly fire. But anyway, he's not dead.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And even though you don't see him in the game
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: after that first interaction, as far as I can remember,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he has a big role in this. Suddenly is on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Ellie's side, is getting all the supplies for Ellie and Dina.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But that being said, I feel like when I personally
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: watched this, I felt it was more of a kind
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of shaking hands with the devil situation, because if you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: listen to his speech to me, it feels very xenophobic,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: very US versus them, and he did call Ellie and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Dina pretty terrible thing. And so it's just this, like
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Ellie clearly doesn't want to align with him, but she
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: does because no one else is really helping her. But
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I think that that is like one sign of the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: links she's willing to go in this journey for justice
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and or revenge however you fall on. That Also, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: didn't I didn't realize this. I should have, but there
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was a whole online backlash about how Billie Ramsey was
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: never could never be strong enough to be Ellie, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's why, or at least probably one
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why they've already had like two scenes
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: where Ellie is like fighting, like punching training. The very
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: first scene you see of Ellie and the first episode
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: is of her fighting Caleb, so clearly they're trying to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to combat that. But I think one of the big
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: things about this episode and especially this part in the game,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: is that whole idea of what do you do after
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: someone dies, and the whole scene where she's going through
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Joel's house. She's looking at his stuff, she's smelling his jackets.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely devastating. And in the game, they're all optional.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: There's so many optional things in the game that it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just if you miss it, I feel like you're missing
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: so much, except for you do have to pick out
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the gun. You have to get the gun, but everything else,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: like if you want kind of a fun easter egg
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that I know is going to pay off, Like she
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: would go around the house and she'd pick up this
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: dinosaur booklet. There's been a dinosaur in the background of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: every episode at one point because they are they're leading
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: up to it. But she just has these memories. She
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: would she would see an item and have this memory
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and oh, it's usually like when when I first played it,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: me and my friend would go outside and we would
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: just be like, Oh, that's because that's what you do.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: That's what you do. But she does. Ellie does pick out.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: She picks up the gun, and not the watch. The
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: watch is the watch Joel was wearing when his daughter
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Sarah was shot and was killed, and the time has
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: been stopped and the watch was something she had fixed
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: for him for his birthday. So it's very symbolic of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: both the loss of life and I think how time
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: stopped for Joel at that point and also PTSD. But
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Ellie does not pick up the watch. She picks up
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the gun and leaves the watch where it is. Also,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you can see how beloved Joel is because in the game,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: as I said, it happens immediately almost this is three
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: months later, and he still had a bunch of like
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: flat fresh flowers and gifts outside his house. He was
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the head of construction, so that's a pretty big loss.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty big loss when your town has just
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: been destroyed. So he was beloved, and you can really
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: see it in when Dina and Ellie go to visit
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: his grave and Ellie puts the coffee beans on top.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is the scene I broke down in.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But yes, it will be if you're kind of confused,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I they will explain I believe the coffee and why
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she put that on his grave, and the discussion of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: also the last moment you have with someone that Gail
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and Ellie have. I think that's going to play out
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: more and how much influence it has on their memory
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and what you do in the future. And it's interesting
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: for me because, as I said, I relate this a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lot to when my dad died. It was kind of
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: close in time, and you know, Samantha, Now, every anniversary
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of his death, I have a shot of vodka because
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that's the last thing we talked about. And did he
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: really like vodka that much? No, but it's the last
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: thing we talked about, so I remember it, and it's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I've never visited his grave for a couple of reasons,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: but watching watching that scene always gets me. We've alluded
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to it, and I think it's clear in this episode
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Ellie is lying when she says that the last she
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: didn't go back to the fort, so that there wasn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: one more conversation we haven't seen because she had the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: guitar back in her apartment her garage the next day.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So that's where I think the coffee thing will be explained.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But it is one of the final scenes in the game,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: so I don't know when it will come, but yes,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it's another big theme of all of this, of this
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: whole game, of this whole show, is how trauma and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the fallout of it impacts all of our relationships. It
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: changes all of our relationships, and you can see that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in this with Ellie and pretty much everyone in her life.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: But also we're going to see it more later with
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Abby and her crew because they kind of witnessed her
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: do this thing and I have to deal with it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And that does bring us to Seattle, where Abby and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the crew is based, and it was cool to see.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I got very excited. That was I'm so glad we
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: went to Seattle and did all the things before this,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: including in the in the like on the next episode
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they had the theater. But oh, I'm so excited. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: really hope they have the equarium in the wheel. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if they will because I'm not sure quite
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: how they'd filmed it, but I really hope they do. Yes,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we are introduced to two warring factions in Seattle, the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: WLF and the Seraphytes, which does that scene with the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: seraphys does kind of continue the father daughter theme. It
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: also is going to be a continuing example of how
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: different communities dealt with the infected and the all of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the fallout, because we've already seen a bunch of ways
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that it's happened, so we're going to continue to see that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: All right, Big game differences quickly I mentioned in the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: last one, Tommy and Dina have pretty much been switched.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Tommy was the one that was with Joel when he died,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: not Dina. In the game, Tommy kind of lies to Ellie.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I guess that's up for interpretation. I've always figured he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: kind of lied, but he basically Ellie's like, let's go,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and Tommy's like, we can't go. We don't have the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: people to spare, but I'll try to convince Maria to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: do something. And then Ellie wakes up the next day
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and Tommy has taken off and said, I can't let
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: this stand. I'm going, and Maria says, I need you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to go get my dumb husband, and so she gives
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: kind of the okay for Dina and Ellie to go
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and gives them some equipment. So it's no Seth is involved.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Maria and Tommy's already ahead. I am very interested what
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they're going to do with Tommy's plotlight. I kind of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have a theory, but I will see because it's completely
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: changed right now. Dina's relationship with Joel also is different,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: because they liked each other in the game, but they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: weren't that close. But this is very much making it
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: like no, I loved him too. I want to get
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: revenge too for Dina and Jesse being on the council.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: That's one the thing that Samantha was alluding to. At
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: this point in the game, Dina and Elliot are together
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and have had sex, and so I don't know, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see. I think they're gonna get together,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I definitely got a good laugh
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: out of the there was only one horse, Ellie's like, oh,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: only only shiver. It also made me start thinking about
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: love triangles because I guess I've always thought about the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: love triangle from Dina's perspective because Ellie's not interested in Jesse.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Jesse's not interested in Ellie. They're both interested in Dina.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So it feels like Dina has the power. But I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: would really love to come back and think about that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: because I guess usually there isn't a queer and a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff I've consumed, there isn't a queer aspect
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of the love triangle, so I always see it from
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: usually the one woman's perspective because she's the one that
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: gets to decide. I don't know, but I just realized
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: when I was rewatching it. I was like, oh, I've
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: always seen it from her point of view, and we
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: will talk about more. I had some other realizations, but
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I must wait until some future episodes come out. Oh
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and one of those things is this is not in
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the game. The whole thing where Dina is like, do
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you ever think like Jesse is sad? And Ellie's like yes, uh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and Dina has that moment of like, well, I feel
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: like that's just who he is. But what if it's me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to be relevant later, Okay, And
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: just yeah, Probably one of the biggest differences to reiterate
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is that Ellie wasn't hurt, the town wasn't destroyed. They
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: left immediately. But in this other people watch someone too,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the whole town is recuperating and Ellie had to recuperate herself.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And this brings us to the random at the end,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: just random thoughts I have. So I just think that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is such a creative choice to kill off your
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: main what people thought would be the main character so early.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: The development team of the game actually like really bagged
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the writers to change the story because it was so depressing,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: which we have talked about in previous episodes, but they
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: were leaned in and I also didn't really reiterate this
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in the last episode. But apart from Abby's monologue, Joel's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: death scene was pretty line to line shot for shot,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: including Abby's iconic line you don't get to rush this.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, she has a more iconic one later,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: but to wait for that. Also, this whole idea about
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: asking for help, it's a recurrent theme and Dina brings
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it up in this episode, and it comes up later
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in the game at least where people are like, you know,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you could have just asked for help, and I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that's important. Another big theme is women and revenge, which
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: we have done several episodes on. We did one that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: was kind of specific to the Last of Us, which
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I don't recommend listening to if you don't want to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: be spoiled. But a part of me does think the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: reason people hate Abby so much is that she's a woman,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and is that Joel is so beloved. And also, as
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: we've discussed before, I think people were really on board
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: with Joel because he was protecting a young girl. So
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: even though he was doing these things that were pretty awful,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, but it's for her, but it does.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It sparks a lot of argument, including the whole justice
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: for is revenge sing But it's just such a it
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: just spins out so quickly to me because then you're like, well,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Abby was getting justice and now she's put other people
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: in danger because of that. Was she really getting justice
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: or was it revenge justifications versus lasting out, which is
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: what Tommy is talking about with Joel. And one thing
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that we are going to see is the fallout of revenge,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: not just trying to but revenge to or justice. I go,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: so I'll let you have it for now, to everyone
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: here in their lives and even outside of that, because
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: if you remember, Tommy left Joel because of the violent
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: things that they had to do to survive. He got
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: out as how he says it, I'm not sure how
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it's going to play out on the show because they
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: have changed his story, but I suspect that Ellie is
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: going to pull Tommy and maybe other people back into
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: this violent world that they were trying to get out of.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: But we shall see. Also, Abby, Abby, Abby. We got
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to hear Ellie say it in the tone she says
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it in the game where she's like Abby woo. I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: love it so much. But I did see a lot
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: of post after that episode about Abby and about how
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they tried to minimize the backlash against her that the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: game experienced. One of the things was Pedro Pascal took
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of selfies with her that showed that they
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: were like very close and like he's like, oh, I
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: love her, Like please, she's.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: A person, this is acting, this.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Is acting, and she did. That's like one of my
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: favorite things I've seen so far is like, I hate her,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: but she nailed it, so I can't be too mad.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I like that because you are supposed to hate her.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're not supposed to at this point
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: right now, you I did believe me, But I think
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that I appreciate people who could recognize like, wow, I'm
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: so angry at this character, but this actor really did
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: an amazing job. And I'm not going to harass them
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: in any way. Is that too much to happen? But
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I do think that's why her monologue exists. I think
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that's also part of the structure of the show versus
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the game, which we've discussed. Also, I read an interesting
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: thing about how they changed Joel's death a little bit
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: where she stabs him with the golf club and then
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: show his body being dragged back because so many characters
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: come back in franchises. And I thought that was really
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: funny because I talked about how I went in the game.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, he can't be did. I wouldn't never,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it. But they went out of their
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: way to like, Nope.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: No, he really did.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Watches the body, nothing's happening move.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But another theme I just want to highlight at the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: very end here is there is going to be a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: lot of exploration and to empathy and the lack thereof.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I really love about
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: video games is a storytelling medium, is that you really,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: if it's a good game, connect to it in such
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a way. And this game I just connected to so
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: hard because it felt like, you know, Ellie wasn't too late,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I was too late. Like it makes you complicit almost
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: in a way. So it's really impactful. But that's definitely
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: something that's going to be explored. I think this whole
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: idea that they keep bringing up in different ways of
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: strangers versus helping outsiders is going to come up and
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: in terms of empathy with that because you know, in
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the first episode we had Maria being like, you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you were a refugee to Joel, but then you see
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: kind of Joel. You have him both saying we can't
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: let everybody in, but then helping Abby, and you have
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Seth giving this whole speech show. I think they're going
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to We're going to see more of that. Also, if
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you picked up on it in Ellie's room, there was
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a matrix poster prominently prominently placed. I think that's about enlightenment.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's about like going through the whole journey
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and at the end maybe coming to a different realization
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: than you thought. Another thing I know that they're playing
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: on is this whole idea of the youth inheriting the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: earth and what are they going to inherit and what
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: is it going to look like? And so that scene
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: where Tommy is, you know, kind of using the hammer
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to hammer in mistakes and then Jesse's like, you want
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: me to do it and he takes over. Like there's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of instances of seeing younger, younger people take over,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be another thing. But Abby's
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: fury is a part of that, and the choice she
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: made is a part of that, and the choice Elly
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: has made is a part of that too, So we
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: shall see. But yes, I'm so excited for the next episode.
• 45:05
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• 45:11
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