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Welcome to this next installment of Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast
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show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, that's
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right over ten years strong. We've got a great discussion coming your way here
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on Opposition Territory. This week, we're getting into the Cincinnati Bengals. This
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is a team that has been to the AFC Championship the past two seasons.
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They're a team that is one of the more dominant ones, of course in
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the AFC and the NFL in general. They've had a pretty interesting offseason thus
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far. How does this team continue to build towards the future? How did
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they continue to remain successful in the AFC. We're gonna get into it this
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week. We got a great guest here. Let's introduce him. Let's get
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right to it. And it's great to have back on the podcast coming to
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John Sheer And how are you doing, Buddy. I'm good, Jeff.
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Thanks sharing me on. Absolutely it is great to be able to talk to
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you about the Cincinnati Bengals team. What's been going on during the course of
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the offseason. But first informost, don't wanna get some plugs out for you.
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right, let's get into the Cincinnati Bengals team on because, like I look
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at this team, one of the powerhouse teams of course in the NFL,
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and one of those teams that you know, I hope, you know,
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if the Eagles were to get back to the Super Bowl, you know,
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I know it's doubtful, you know, teams getting back to the Super Bowl
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year after year, unless you're the New England Patriots. You know, it
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usually doesn't happen too often. However, the Bengals are just that franchise contender
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in the AFC and and they're up there, of course with the Chiefs and
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you know, maybe perhaps the Bills, although I think the Bills have taken
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some steps back, aside from getting that franchise quarterback in Joe Burrow that the
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Bengals have, which we know is so important of course in the game of
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football. You know what's been the most what's been the most critical aspect of
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the team that's allowed them to see their recent successes. It's a lot of
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things, Like I think coaching continuity definitely goes under the radar, considering like
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they have almost more coordinating coordinator continuity, I should say, than the Kansas
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the Jeeves at this point, they just lost their fact offensive coordinator and Eric
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b Enemy. But just to have that core group of you know, leaders
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who have instilled the culture in the locker room together for now five years,
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especially after the first two when no one really believed that it was ended up,
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you know, going to be working. But then they got the right
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players in there to really fill out whatever schemes and culture that they wanted to.
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So, like I mean, like the same reason why the Eagles have
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a great chance of going back, Like the Banks just have a great all
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around roster. There's not a ton of week spots here, and obviously,
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like the Eagles best offensive line of the game, Bengals have been working,
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you know, tirelessly for the past three off seasons to get anywhere, you
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know, remotely close to that. And they made their biggest, the biggest
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strides in the past two years fortifying the interior with guys like Alex Kappa,
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Tat Cares, and then they get a guy in the Orlando Brown who I
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know, like definitely has the shortcomings. I think most Bengals fans rate him,
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you know, in that ten to fifteen range terms like every single starting
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tackle, so he's not not necessarily elad. But they didn't pay him e
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lead money, right, they got him exactly at the proper values. So
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now they have like a high quality or above award love tackle compared to the
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average love tackle that they have that they had in Jonah Williamson. Now you
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have just a four to five offensive line with five guys that you feel comfortable
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as starting. And that used to be the case even when the Bengals won
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twenty seven games in these past two years, including the playoffs. So you
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just looked up and down the roster they lost a couple of guys in Jesse
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Bates and Bombill, but they had contingency plans. They replaced them pretty accordingly
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and pretty effectively inefficiently. So yeah, there's not a lot There's not a
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lot of areas who are like, oh, well, you know, the
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Bengals is gonna be exploited here. They have the right pieces at the most
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important spots, and they've just solidified and complimented those pieces with quality talent.
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Absolutely, we're gonna We're definitely gonna get the offensive line in a bit,
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and or the acquisition of Orlando Brown. But there was one word that you
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just mentioned right there, John that I thought was interesting. It's culture.
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And I think that more and more as we are going along as NFL fans,
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you know, whether it's we're following our specific teams or just looking at
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other teams around the league, that culture is so very important. And I
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don't think it can be understated how important it is. Philadelphia Eagles have a
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tremendous culture. The Bengals really dablishing that culture over the past few years that
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is going to serve them well. I think in the future. I think
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there is something to be said for that that that. Yes, of course
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talent is important and imperative in the NFL in terms of the game itself,
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but that culture, that bringing of the personalities together and the ultimate goals and
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the mission, there is something to be said for that for sure, buddy.
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Yeah, it's it's an interesting topic. Um, it's almost like taboo
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to me because it's it's impossible to quantify obviously, Yeah, and every team,
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every team is different than that regard. Like, I wasn't a huge
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believer in it until I saw at the end of the twenty twenty season when
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Burrow was was done. You know, they had Ryan Finley starting against the
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Steelers on like a Monday night game and they had no business winning that game,
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and it was such a monumental statement and really like, oh, like,
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you know, we have we have the right mindset going forward here,
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we can pull out things that you know, we can do unexpected things,
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and we have that belief in ourselves. And then once you get the talent
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that compliments that, that supports the message, like that's how you can continue
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yep, regardless of roster turnover, regardless of anything that happens on the year
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of your basis, if you have that sort of like culture in the locker
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room, and you can back that up with results. That's how it persists.
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So they established this this base call it kind of out of nowhere,
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but it was really exact Hill's vision and mission when he first got here,
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and it just took a couple of years to really, you know, fulfill.
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Absolutely something to be said for culture for sure, and moving along.
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I always find the AFC North to be a very very interesting division because of
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the various shifts and directions that each team makes from season to season. I
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mean, the Steelers, you know, we're all gonna be looking to see
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if they may have their quarterback of the future, or the Browns we need
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to see if Shaun Watson's going to be able to get back to being a
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dominant quarterback in the league. Of course, Lamar Jackson his contract situation being
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taken care of in Baltimore. They seem to have left that issue, of
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course, behind them at this time. They seem to be a team that
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might be able to contend in the AFC. Who knows remains to be seen.
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Is there a team that you worry about possibly challenging the Bengals this coming
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season Within the division, and if so, what team is that and why?
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This is the question I struggle with the most. I think because like
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the FC North, like you said, it's just it's a dog fight every
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single year. And I think there's a case for all three teams, starting
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with like the Browns, Like they've just match up really well against the Bengals,
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like and it doesn't matter, you know, how good or bad their
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quarterback is playing. They have a run scheme and offensive line that has just
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given Lunar Rumbo's defense fits and that not every team and not every offense can
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say that over the past few years. So we're regardless you know, how
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good Deshaun Watson is if he gets back to form. I think they'll always
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be competitive against the Bengals. Now, whether or not they win, you
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know, more than the Internet games this year remains to be seen, but
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like they'll they'll be in contention. The Steelers have never had a losing record
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under Mike Tomlin. I'm never counting them out or any circumstances, and I
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think I think they got better this year. I think they had a really
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good offseason. And even if Kenny Pickett is never you know, he may
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not ever be like that quarterback. Oh, you can win a super Bowl
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because of Kenney Pickett. Like, they'll still be competitive and they can still
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easily win the division, you know, year after year or whatever. And
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the Baltiore Ravens are probably the best overall team outside of the Bengals in the
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division. I'm a personally a really big fan of Lamar Jackson pairing with offensive
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coordinay Tom Makin. I think just his arm and Makins, you know,
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vertical philosophy and then that scheme. I think that's gonna be really exciting.
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Now, whether it works or not, I don't know, but like this
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is the best I think Ravens overall team to compete with this version of the
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Bengals team. So you can have a situation where all four teams win at
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least seven or eight games, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens end
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up taking the AC North Crown this year. But I still think the Bengals
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probably have still the best overall team, the best chance of winning, but
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maybe the Ravens have the best chance of competing. Yeah, the Ravens offense,
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It's gonna be really interesting to see how that all comes together if it
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does, so moving along, you know, I think it's interesting how the
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Chiefs losing Orlando Brown to the Bengals was arguably, I think one of the
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most important offseason moves that the Bengals actually made. And while Orlando Brown isn't
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necessarily like the most dominant you know, tackle in the National Football League or
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even in the AFC, you know, it's an interesting storyline for somebody,
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an outlier like me heading into this twenty twenty three season, just you know,
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given of course the Chiefs and Bengals and they faced off in the last
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two AFC Championship games. So I'm wondering, does this offseason move to like
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kind of take the Bengals in terms of their offensive line ranking to the AFC
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to another level? Like where where does it take this offensive line in your
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opinion in terms of the AFC in general, So in recent years, like
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the Atlanto Brown contract is such an anomaly in like Bengals lower because I mean
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there was like thirty something million guaranteed upfront, which is just an absurd number.
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It is for Bengal steners. Now now, now Joe Burrow's gonna obviously
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completely destroy that, but for an offensive Lineman specifically like this franchise, you
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know, low ball dandrewu Werth like twice and then they watched him win a
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Super Bowl with the Rams. So the fact that they shelled out that money
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for a single since the linement has been interesting because fans have been waiting for
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that for a long time to see like the guy like being brought in who
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wasn't like a draft pick or something like that. And I don't know if
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like one guy can elevate a unit from like below average to above average,
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but it's a it's an interesting case study to be to behold. And I
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think the fact that Arlanda Browns can't reached out to the Bengals for this opportunity
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because he realized that, you know, I'm I want to be a left
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tackle in this league exactly like JOA Williams wants to be left tackle in this
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league, by the way, and sometimes it doesn't work out, you know.
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But the fact that Brown had interests in joining the Bengals because of you
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know, the Bengals are a competitive team. That they've been the most competitive
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team compared to the Chiefs since Arlanda. Brown has gotten to Kansas City and
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the Bengals were able to work out a deal because of that mutual interest that
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both sides had. I think that sent a message probably to the team like,
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hey, like the dude of this caliber, even like you said,
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he's not a lead by any means, He's not gonna shut out Myles Garrett
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every time that they play. He's not gonna he's not gonna shut up every
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single lead rusher that he plays. But he's still a really good football player
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and he still has a lot of strains. That's that's why the Bengals give
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them the contract that they got. So I'm interested to see if that just
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creates maybe like a mental impact on this entire group, Like we gotta dude
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at left tackle for the first time since we're worth. I wonder if just
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his presence really elevates the game with the four other starters. Absolutely, and
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I think that it's it's so important. We've said it's time and time again
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on this podcast over the years that you know, if you do not have
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a solid offensive line, you're just not going to be able to do much
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of anything on offense, even with a talent like Jerbo Joe Burrow under center.
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If you don't have a succinct and just solid foundation there up front.
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You're just not going to be able to run the ball effectively. You're not
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going to be able to do play action or po type plays. You're not
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going to be able to do them as effectively. And I think, I
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really do think Orlando Brown is going to be able to work in conjunction with
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this line in a way that helps perpetuate this offense even more. And I
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guess that's a good segue too into the next topic, because I do wonder
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what happens with the running back position in SINCI with Joe and seemingly appearing to
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be heading out the door. Perhaps it's not one hundred percent at this point,
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but excuse me some J P. Ryan. He bolted for Denver,
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and sure the Bengals passed the ball a lot on offense, and they should
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because I got a guy like Joe Burrow thrown the football to receivers like Jamar
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Chase and Tee Higgins. They should be doing that. But I think they're
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going to need to get some type of explosive productivity out of the backfield if
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they want to take some pressure off of Burrow, take some pressure off of
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those receivers during specific times in the game where I think they may need to
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again in game type of situations where the running back is going to be critical.
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What are your thoughts about, really what happens to this Bengals running back
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position, the running back core this offseason here? John, So, the
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whole thing with like Joe Mixon specifically has been like, like we all thought
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I was going to go one way, and then the off season kind of
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played out how it did, and it looks like he's going to be,
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you know, the starter for at least another year. And I really liked
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what they did addressing like complimenting him this year because usually, like you look
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in years past, like Javine Bernard, Jeremy Hill, Joe Mixon, even
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they were all second round picks and then they were all drafted a year before,
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like the incumbent starter eventually left. And this is what a lot of
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people assumed to be Joe Mixon's last year with the Bengals. He's got two
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years left on this deal, and they went out and got a guy in
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Chase Brown in the fifth round, which I think is around the right place
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to draft a running back that you want to feature at least in like a
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complimentary role. But he's also a much different athlete than they than they usually
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gotten, Like they never really prioritize speed and explosion at the position, and
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Chase Brown is by far one of the most athletic running backs that they've had
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in a while, and I think he adds that dimension of explosiveness that they
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sorely lacked, Like Joe Mixon simply put like he was not explosive enough last
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year. He was not breaking tackles, he was not generating yards after contact.
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He left a lot of yards on the on the field and he made
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some ashe Pierre and looked like this this running back in comparison where he's like
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Somajia was creating explosive place Somaji was bouncing off tackle was like and Somaji parents
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a good running back, but he should not have been out performing Joe Mixon
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the way that he was. And I think that year allowed some japan to
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find an opportunity in Denver. So once once that happened, the Bengals had
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interest in bringing back some Jpran Once smag bolted, They're like, okay,
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like you know, we don't really have a way to upgrade the running back
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room free agency now that Prun's out the doors, So why don't we just
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hold on to Joe Mixon for another year? See if he just plays,
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you know, his butt off, just so that he doesn't get you know,
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thrown it to the waste land of twenty seven year old running backs in
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the year right, So there's a lot of motivation for him to play a
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lot better. There's a lot of money on the line. But they also
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realized that, you know, the future of this offense is we don't need
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to invest second round picks and running backs anymore when we have a passing offense
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that is so dominant and soap league going to you know, stay together for
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years to come. So I like what they did, but they definitely need
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Joe Mixing to play a lot better. For sure. I do wonder if
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and I know it's been talked to a lot and probably ad nauseum within h
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you know, Bengals Nation, But whether or not a possible trade for Joe
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Mixon could happen, And it depends on what the running back room is going
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to look like during training camp. I think, do you think it's a
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possibility Mixing could get traded around the training camp time at all. I just
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probably not find hard to believe that would trade for him. Okay, Like,
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like on top of the contract and the age, he's also got like
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a legal issue that's still pending, and like that's right, you know you're
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still supporting him, and you know they're just gonna go gonna buy what the
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court ruling is. And there's not really been end update on that. But
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I just don't foresee a team trading for us soon to be twenty seven year
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old running back at this point. Yeah, all right, very good,
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Well moving on here. I really wanted to talk about the defensive side of
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things here. Um, I think I think the defensive end. Miles Murphy
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out of Clemson was a great, great pick for the Bengals at number twenty
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eight overall in the NFL Draft, somebody I was looking at for the Philadelphia
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Eagles when the Eagles were picking late in the first round. Short. You
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know, some folks are talking about how he kind of took a step back
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his last season at Clemson, but he has some eight athleticism. You look
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at the film of him, just quick lateral movements, and I hope he'll
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be used for some stunt calls as well, because I think with his athleticism
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and his speed, he's gonna be very effective in terms of various stunts within
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within this Bengals defense. So how do you see Miles Murphy really being used
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his rookie season on defense? Maybe even if at all, because I liked
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the pickup and I think he could be somewhat of a difference maker for sure
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during his rookie season. What are your thoughts. That's a great point,
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actually, because I mean, Literaruma has been here for four or five years
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now, so he wasn't around when they drafted both Carlos Dunlap and Sam Hubbard.
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But I think there are a decent amount of similarities between Murphy and those
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two. And if you remember, like when Hubbard was a rookie, he
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was a rotational guy. He played in every game. I think he had
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six knap sacks that year, but he was used both as like three technique
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and like a rotational pass rushing defensive end. And he was on a lot
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of stunts with Dunlap. Even so, like those two guys, I think
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athletically a very similar to Murphy. But Murphy, like apparently he ran like
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he would have ran a four four nine forty if he didn't like like veer
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off to the side. Whatever clempsones pro day. I don't know if he's
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true not, but like he shows it on tape, he like he is
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he should not be able to move like that fast straight forward for being two
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hundred seventy pounds. So he was the first you know, actual defensive lineman
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drafted by the Bengals in the first round and in two decades, and they
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saved it for like a premier athlete now again, like he looked towards the
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Hubbard comparison. Hubbard is obviously a really good run defender and a socio pass
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rusher, and that's probably who Miles Murphy's is and is going to be for
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the first couple of years of his career. He just hoped that Mary and
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Hobby phenomenal defensive line coach, really good at you know, teaching techniques in
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hand usage, and that's where Murphy needs like the most work, Like he
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needs to deepen his bag of pass rushing moves. He's got a nice long
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arm and that helps being an explosive athlete with a great first step, Like
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he's got the base to improve as a pass rusher, and you like the
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fact that he's only twenty one years old. So right now he's gonna play,
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you know, hundreds of snaps. He's gonna give Trey Hendrickson a lot
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of time and rest, which is what he needs because he played a lot
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in these past two seasons. He ended up breaking down towards the end of
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this past season. So Miles Murphy just makes I think Tree Hendrickson a better
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player just because he keeps the more fresh throughout the season. And you're just
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hoping that Miles Murphy is a decent run defender who slowly grows at the past
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rush from the next couple of years. I really think this Bengals defense is
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going to be interesting to watch this year. I think there's going to be
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some growth. Quite frankly, and again, folks talking to John Shearon from
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a Doze sports eight z sports dot Com. Love that website, love the
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content they're putting up over there at John Underscore Underscore Saron. He is a
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great, great follow on the Twitter dot com And to close us out here
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on our Opposition Territory podcast, I like to get into two strengths and weaknesses
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of various teams that we're covering on a weekly basis, So why don't we
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get into some of these Bengals strengths and weaknesses. Let's start with the strengths.
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What is the biggest strength of this Bengals team as we're heading into the
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twenty twenty three season. Here, John pretty obvious when Burrow through the ball.
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You know, I have to ask it. I ask it every week
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with our guests, so I had to ask it. No, Like,
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I think the way that that strength kind of evolves is like the addition of
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Arlando Brown. I think it gives you an offensive line where like, like
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Brown's strength, like he doesn't lose the power right and like he'll lose to
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hell to speed off the edge. But burrows strength, I think in the
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pocket is like he recognizes, you know, pressure off the edge. He
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can he can manipulate those guys off the edge, he can move up in
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the pocket. You get five blockers who can stand their ground and hold up
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to power rushers. Like it, I think opens the playbook a lot more
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where it's not just getting the ball out in the first two and a half
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seconds because like the offense is fine like that, but right, but if
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you're throwing the ball fifty times a game. It's mainly a quick passing offense.
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You got defensive linemen who are just you know, pinning their ears back
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every single time. They know what's happening, right, and it creates sort
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of one dimensionality with the offense. I think now a strength of their offense
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can be the diversity, because you just have a more well comprised offensive line
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and you can keep all those classic staples in your passing game, but you
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can diversify more of play action, which is where they desperately need to improve.
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Like they were a terrible play action passing team. Maybe now they can
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go under center and they can be they can be more unpredictable for the defense,
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so that that's where a weakness last year their predictability and offense can turn
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into a strength. But obviously passing the ball is still great. I think
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I think shotgun running is their strength in the run game, and just on
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defense. I think they just they can mold to any offense that they need
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to, and that's why they've been so successful against some of the best offensive
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playmakers and just offenses in the league. Like Luna Rumo, he just has
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He's composed this defense that is just very versatile and it can change from week
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to week and you just never really know what's gonna happen. In terms of
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Joe Burrow, he has incredible pocket management, something that has always always astounded
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me just when watching him on the field. So let's move on the opposite
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side of the coin biggest weakness. What is the biggest weakness john on this
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Cincinnati Bengals team heading into the two twenty three season here, I think right
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now, until we see like Miles Murphy and what he does, I think
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still like getting to the quarterback is still like a relative weakness. They were
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I think twenty ninth and stacks last year. Yeah, because you had both,
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you had Hubbard injured at the end, you had Trey Andrickson breaking the
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risk. So they need to convert more of those pressures into sacks, right,
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and they need more I think depth along the interior of the defensive line
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too, because if DJ Reader goes down, they have no one even close
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who can clog up the middle like him. And that's just a testament to
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how good DJ Reader was. But that was an area where, like you
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would have assumed that they would have addressed some something in terms of the draft
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of free agency and defensive tackle depth, and they didn't really do that.
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They're counting on Zach Carter, who's the third unpick last year. They kind
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of him to improve a lot to play a lot of snaps this year.
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So depth along the difference interior is a weakness I think right now. And
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also until you see what the what the safety group looks looks like, you
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lost, you know, thousands of snaps between Jesse Bates and vomb Bell and
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you don't know how you know that turnover is going to look like. And
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a lot of it is, you know, being communicative, communicative on the
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back end of the defense and making those calls. And until you see guys
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like Nick Scotten Decks, he'll take that over. It's a weakness until it
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isn't again, folks, John Shearon a to Z Sports, it was great
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having you on, Buddy. I gotta say I do like the Arizona Diamondbacks
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hat you're wearing right here, Zoom call boy. They really took it to
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the Phillies recently. Dear lord, I'll tell you the diamond Backs surprising some
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folks in the Major League Baseball world this year I have no idea who the
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Diamebacks are. Now. This is just like the Luis Gonzalez Randy Johnson color
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way. It looks really cool, so I'm swam wearing it. Awesome,
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Awesome, all ride folks. John, come back join us down the road.
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I'd love to have you back on the show, my friend. Thanks
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so much, Jeff. Look, this Bengals team, as we were just
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talking about, have strength. They certainly have some weaknesses as well, but
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again, I still think they're going to be this powerhouse team in the AFC.
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What a talented roster they have. We were going through just what they
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have on offense, especially in a league where you know what, you gotta
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be able to pass the ball if you want to win games, and the
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Cincinnati Bengals are certainly gonna win their fair share of games this coming twenty twenty
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three season. It was great talking to John and again, folks, John
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Shearon at John Underscore Underscore Shearon, I love the underscore underscore. I don't
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think we've ever had anybody else in the podcast that has had underscore underscore in
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their Twitter handles. But John Shearon definitely rose to the occasion in terms in
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terms of his Twitter handle. Absolutely love it, so it's gonna do it
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even gotten into some golf. You know, we're gonna be talking about the
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Philadelphia Union a lot more in detail over these next weeks, months, and
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