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Missing Scientists · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_00]: So lately I've been diving in to this whole missing and past scientists that everybody's been hearing about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're gonna be talking about these missing scientists on a live scientist that have been happening here for a while.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's up to 11 now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't got my research that far ahead.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting close.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know Kyle had covered Amy S. Gridge years ago.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So we were ahead of the curve.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We were ahead of the conspiracy before turned into a conspiracy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Down here, figurines shit out early.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Just how it works.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But nobody wants to take us serious.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So here we are.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, floating around in the back channels, baby.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody likes us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, unless you've been living under a rock or you've just been completely void of any media source whatsoever, you'll probably have heard rumblings about these mostly Jet Propulsion scientists that have gone missing or died under peculiar circumstances.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Today we're going to start talking about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I first thought we were going to be kind of late to the party because everybody's talking about it, but they just keep throwing more scientists into the, into the pot.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So think we're right on, we're right on time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the middle of the storm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the eye of the storm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Most people are just pointing out, like, oh, this science is good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not like an in-depth deep dive.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's your ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If me and Kyle go missing, you know why.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: just how it is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a scientist, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Rock it scientists, Kyle is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if something is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a little proud about it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very often, but I am definitely a scientist.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These cases could be seen, I guess, as kind of unrelated events, but they also.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: could very easily be nefariously related.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to break it down and you guys can kind of take put your own spin on it figure it out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I go we could go two different routes with it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We could go in chronological order of when said scientists went missing, but that's kind of difficult because
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the landscape keeps changing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They keep adding more people and that changes the timeline and makes it longer and makes it longer.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As these dots are connecting, and people find more scientists and people in this community that have disappeared or been found dead under mysterious circumstances.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just gonna go
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  [SPEAKER_00]: non-chronological order.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of, uh, it makes more sense to put it together, like how people started connecting the dots.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what really pulled back the curtain on all this was a man by the name of William Neil McCastlin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: McCastlin was a former AFRL Commander, former
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is the Air Force Resource Laboratory there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The Air Force Research Laboratory, the AFRL, is a scientific research and development detachment of the United States Air Force material command dedicated to leading the discovery, development, and integration of direct energy-based aerospace war-fighting technologies.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, sounds legit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some military industrial complex has their fingers in this little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Planning and executing the Air Force Science and Technology Program and providing war fighting capabilities to the United States air space and cyberspace forces.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: According to Wikipedia, it controls the entire Air Force science and technology research budget, which she's about $2.4 billion in 2006.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure it has amplified a lot in the last 20 years.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I had one year of that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wish I had, I wouldn't even need one year and probably just a month.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Billion dollars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even have that much.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: gonna talk a little bit about the lab and kind of give some back story and stuff here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The laboratory was formed at Wright Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, Ohio on October 31, 1997, as a consolidation of four Air Force Laboratories facilities, Wright, Philips, Rome, and Armstrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And the Air Force Office of Scientific Research under a unified command.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The laboratory is composed of eight technical directorates, one wing, and the Office of Scientific Research.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: each technical directorate emphasizes a particular area of research within the AFRL, which specializes in performing experiments and conjunction with universities and specialized contractors.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Since the labs formation in 1997, it has conducted numerous experiments and technological demonstrations in conjunction with
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  [SPEAKER_00]: NASA, which we know is sus, so it's horrible of energy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's also, yeah, there's that, but it's also ironic that they choose right patterns and it's like a headquarter's.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we know that there's a whole lot of UFO lore surrounding that base in particular, and then you throw NASA and the department of energy on top of it, because the department of energy, as they've talked
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: like non-disclosed everything under the guise of like a nuclear I don't know what you call that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the words are scape, I mean right now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I do know they have the ability to basically non-disclosed literally everything under the guise of like your national security side you know situation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, Inconjunction with NASA Department of Energy, the National Laboratories, DARPA, talk to the other, and other research organizations within the Department of Defense.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Notable projects include, this is according to Wikipedia, the X37, the X40, the X53,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: In 2009, it was reported that the laboratory may face problems in the future as 40% of its workers were slated to retire, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, y
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  [SPEAKER_01]: lot of UFO or yeah in between those two bases yeah and I mean cheese when you have that many heavyweights consolidating so to speak there's something interesting going on it's and the the projects that they just named off are probably film change projects and they were you know
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  [SPEAKER_01]: nothing in comparison to what's actually going on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These are just the ones that we know about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's got to be some of the smartest people in the military weaponry complex working together.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And now disappearing together.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, they have fucking tactical lasers
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I never heard of a tactical laser before.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I go into all this because these two bases have a lot to do with the scientists and the military personnel that are involved in this weird conglomeration of people that
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And which, you know, Los Alamos is a bunch of nuclear stuff going on there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are some some what sort of universities and stuff that's kind of tied in.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, you'll recognize right Patterson from the Roswell crash recovery, supposedly housing, not only the UFO, but also recovered bodies.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it also being the initial home base of Project Sign, Project Grudge and Project Blue Book.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: which if you're not new to the show, you have heard us talk about all three of these at some juncture.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If not, go back and listen to them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Curtlin has a link the history being tied in nuclear tests, consequently UFO sightings.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll also know of Curtlin Air Force Base.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you've looked into or listened to our episode on Paul Minowitz, because he lived directly across from it.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Personnel at Cartland were the ones giving him the biz the biz.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which ended up kind of driving him crazy, right?
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: See you if you wanted to if you wanted to spin that web could it go all the way back to Ben with Ben with I mean, I don't see why not because he ended up in a deceased.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a weird web that they have spawn and then oh you he says something about universities too will universities are kind of known for Intermingling with the CIA The IA projects will happen in universities When we get deeper into it into some of the ones that I talked about later on or so Where's the stuff going on but for right now we're gonna get into William McCastland
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  [SPEAKER_00]: William Neil McCastlin, former AFRL commander, former research commander, Kurtlin, Air Force Base, and New Mexico, vanished from his home in Albuquerque, New Mexico on February 27, 2026.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is what essentially busted this all open.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A silver alert was issued after the 68 year old disappeared.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: His phone, prescription glasses, and wearable devices were all left behind at his house.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators believe his hiking boots, a wallet, and a 38 caliber revolver with the leather holster or missing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The sheriff's office said in a news release on Thursday.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The sheriff's office issued a silver alert the next day, which remains an effect.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: McCaslin has an unspecified, quote, medical issue that has added urgency to the search the authority said.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators also released a more detailed timeline showing a repairman had interacted with McCaslin at his home at around 10 a.m. on February 27.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: His wife returned shortly after noon to find him gone.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The area where McCaslin was last seen near
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Northeast includes residential streets, walking routes and open areas where someone on foot might travel without easily being noticed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Deputies have not said whether they believe he may have left the area using a vehicle or public transportation, transportation, underscoring the uncertainty surrounding his disappearance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A gray U.S. Air Force sweatshirt was found about one and a quarter miles east of McCasland's home during a search on March 7th.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Though officials said it has not been confirmed to belong to him according to the Thursday release.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No blood was found on the sweater the sheriff said.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Authorities have conducted an extensive neighborhood canvassing, interviewing and coordinating a search operations in effort to find him, contacting more than 700 homeowners in the neighborhood, checking literally hundreds of CCTV cams, dash cams, ring door bell cams, trail cams, with absolutely no leads found on any of the cameras.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Homeboy must have been a pretty damn important.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's a pretty extensive third.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't, aside from maybe a fucking kid, I don't really see them jumping through that many hoops to do that.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, he, at least no he had.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You feel like he had to have some important knowledge about something somewhere without questions.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: because they end up citing his disappearance as a national security threat if a foreign government were to have captured him and you know taken for information he worked on tactical satellite projects he worked on all all sorts of crazy stuff so I can see how it gets a little out of hand.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators released a photo on Thursday showing the Kaplan in a light green, long sleeve button up outdoor shirt.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He may have been wearing at the time he went missing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Search efforts have also included drones, helicopter supports, ground searches were search and rescue teams, T9 units.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Investigators, they have not identified any confirmed sightings or footage showing the Kaplan, quote, leaving the area or indicating any direction of travel.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: just ghost mode.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just gone left his phone left all of his traceable devices left his wallet grabbed his gun and took off.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Invisible apparently.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like because there's a part of you that wants to be like he's definitely afraid and on the run but at the same time
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: he turns into Jason Boren and completely fucking disappears from everything that takes at least a level of planning to happen aside from somebody kidnapping him or something kidnapping him and you don't just don't just disappear.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't happen.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way she talked, it was like he put his boots on, left his stuff on the counter, grabbed his gun and went in a direction nobody knows on the was never caught on any kind of anybody's cameras or anything.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which doesn't, just doesn't happen.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Especially in today's world where everybody's got like ring door bells and shit.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's this cameras everywhere anymore.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for them to interview 700 people, that's probably as whole sub to this whole town.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Easy.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a lot of people.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they probably grid patterned out from his home.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, like they covered everybody in the media vicinity should have seen, saw somebody should have seen something.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit more here, due to his background and established partnerships, the BSEO is coordinating, as coordinating closely with multiple agencies, including
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The FBI Albuquerque Field Office and Kirkland Air Force base, the sheriff's office said the FBI has also confirmed its involvement.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So now the FBI is involved, which you rarely hear an missing person case, especially for missing a doll, a missing child, that's different, but a missing, just a missing, not middle age, but later age, man, FBI never does anything with that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: McCouslin held some of the most this is why, though, McCouslin held some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. military according to the Air Force, an astronautical engineer with degrees from the U.S. Air Force Academy, the Massachusetts Institute for Technology, and the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He held a series of high-level posts during his career.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: McCouslin held again, some of the most
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: since the positions, including director of special programs at the office under the Secretary of Defense, giving him critical knowledge of the nation's most classified programs.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He reportedly oversaw 4.4 billion in classified aerospace research and development, running the lab at Wright Patterson and serving as the executive secretary of Special Access Program oversight committee,
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: the body with full preview of every SAP in the Department of Defense.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: His name appears in the WikiLeaks email, according to UAP Disclosure.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's one I won't highlight.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: His name appears in the WikiLeaks email, coordinating a UAP disclosure meeting with the Clinton campaign and the head of the Lockheed Martin Scunkwerks, according to the Sentinel network.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not a good path to go to.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and I feel like just with him alone while you I don't even know I don't know anything about any of the other scientists, but just with him alone.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, he's 100% in asset worth finding furthermore.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is 100% in asset that you would rather put down than fall into enemy hands, just like
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think about it either until you started telling me like everything he's got his fingertips in and I could 100% see our government.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if they just, or not even our government or military, especially our military contractors, if they thought for a second someone on this level with this much knowledge was a double agent or compromise in any way, shape or form.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ways your solution to put them down, and then to have to deal with it.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, guarantee you, if that is the case, they have learned from this mistake and they are not going to have one guy with that much knowledge anymore, ever.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they will put these motherfuckers down.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's kind of a theory I was throwing around on my head, not necessarily that,
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: have somebody with that kind of knowledge, but what if it's our own government, pulling him for even more underground dark works, because all the knowledge he had.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It would be.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They could all absolutely be an option.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought why we were talking about on the night shift, you know, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they took some of these scientists and said they were deceased, but they actually just put them
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: and had them working on even more top-seeker projects.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The dynamic sense, too.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it makes sense, too, or maybe, you know, maybe, I can even see it happening.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: If, you know, Steve is in his neighborhood and somehow some way.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Carl across the street starts remotely.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: fantasizing that Steve works on top-seeker projects, the government being like, all right, you are going to have to be deceased and we're going to have to relocate you.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is okay.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can't even have this, this, that can't even be in the conversation ever because what you know is so sensitive, literally no one can know what you do.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: As far as I'm concerned, you're a
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a fo death would be better than this because there's so many eyes on him just disappearing, especially with the media coming out and being like, yeah, this is a potentially a national security threat, you know, that just blows the lid off everything and the FBI is like, yeah, we're looking for him too.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can't find him in the air forces like, we're looking for him.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can't find him.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but a couple of things in another, it would be another expert smokescreen to do that.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all these people looking for him and all the can't find him.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they might be, they might be legitimately looking for him and people way, way, way above their pay grade or the ones that got him.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, good, you know, let's make it make it sound like you can't, you're just
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also served as chief engineer in the Department of Defense Global Positioning System Program, a system program director of the Space Base Laser Project Office and Director of Special Programs at the Pentagon.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also commanded the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, Wright Patterson is wrought with UFO lore.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Following his retirement, McCaslin briefly worked with Blink 182 musician Tom Delong, co-founder of To The Stars, incorporated a company that says it studies information about unidentified aerial phenomena, according to McCaslin's wife.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It should be noted that McCaslin's disappearance came just days after President Trump announced on truth social,
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: that he was directing the Pentagon and other federal agencies to release government records related to extraterrestrial life extraterrestrial life and UFOs.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the timeline there's also a little sus.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, McCaslin's name appeared in the 2016 WikiLeaks release of emails from John Padesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, and a series of communications between Padesta and Blink 182 guitarist and prominent UFO researcher Tom Delong, the long-described McCaslin as a key advisor on several UFO related projects.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: a long-tled pedestal that he had been quote working with McCaslin for four months that the retired general was already offering him on advice on how to move forward with his UFO disclosure initiative.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the same email, Delong emphasized that McCaslin was very very aware of the material Delong was investigating because McCaslin had previously been quote in charge of the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: the long stated that McCaslin not only understood the goals of his project, but actively helped select and assemble advisors who would support the long's work on UFO related resource research despite the long's claims.
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are no official records, McCaslin of McCaslin advising the musician on his UFO research and McCaslin has never confirmed or denied his involvement.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that ties him not only to all these national defense and military-esque important aspects, but now he's also pretty entwined in UFO or not just from Wright Patterson, but if his name's in the WikiLeaks, his name's in the WikiLeaks, whether he's with the long or not.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And being in a Clinton email, I feel like his another check mark
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely been a lot of disappearances around that.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is weird because like you said, one can easily suspect the dude is involved in some type of alien technology.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a stretch.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bare minimum.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's either propulsion or some type of new weaponry.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk about McCastlan's wife for a little bit because a lot of the interviews I looked up and things kind of just almost painted her in a light of a civilian spouse, which I understand because her husband went missing.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But she's also very prominent in this world, which I think also kind of exacerbates
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: McCaslin's important.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Susan McCaslin, Wilkerson, holds a PhD in astrophysics from the University of Arizona, so she's no slouch either.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: What else do we got?
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was selected as a NASA mission specialist, astronaut finalist at Johnson Space Center.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the group nine selection.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: The class that produced Sally Ride.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Susan was a semi-followist or semi-finalist.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't make the cut.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: She went into the air force instead.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was commissioned as a lieutenant in 1980, advanced the captain in 1984, held the rank of lieutenant colonel in the air force reserve.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her assignments included senior scientists at the Air Force Geophysics Laboratory in Sunspot, New Mexico.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Chief of the Data Recorder Branch at Headquarters Space Division, Defense Desimination Program in Elsing, San Gendo, Director of Advanced Studies at the same division, the Defense Desimination Program handles classified satellite imagery distribution.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: She hailed very high clearance in her own right.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: After her active duty, she reserved, or she served as a member of the technical staff at the analytics science corporation, she married McCaslin April 7 1985, while she was at task and he was at MIT, finishing his doctorate.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: She is a Ph.D. assort of physicists astronaut some of my finalist Air Force officer, so she's pretty pretty big deal.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the reason I bring her up is because when she was being interviewed, she said some weird stuff.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Really?
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: March 7th, Susan posted on Facebook 2 quote, Dispel some of the misinformation circulating about Neil and his disappearance.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: She confirmed that quote, It is true that when Neil was in the Air Force, he had access to some highly classified programs and information.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then she added that he was retired from the Air Force for almost 13 years and has only held very common areas only.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: retired from the Air Force almost 13 years ago and has had only very commonly held clearance since then.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then she wrote a sentence that's getting all of the attention in the UFO realm.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quote, Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Wright Patterson.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Though at this point, like what?
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whoopsies.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We cleared that up and I mean, I can see how I can see both sides of this.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can see how people are misconstruing it because maybe people are making claims and she's like, no, he doesn't know anything about bodies.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like as a Blake and statement at the same time, you're saying that like it's a factual thing.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're saying that like they're definitely bodies there.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't know about it.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's more to the quote from from this source.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she said he has no knowledge about the E.T.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: bodies of the debris.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: She also said though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that the aliens beam them up into the mothership.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, no sightings of a mothership hovering over the San Diego mountains have been recorded.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So her husband has just went missing and she's almost trying to shoot him heavy into the UFO or yeah, which is not normal.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not normal for a person to crack jokes about there has been missing.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was also in the pedestrian emails about the UAP disclosure.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also should be noted.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had Trump.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: talking four days four days prior that he's going to have the pinnagon release everything they know about the UAP and aliens.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hillary was also deposed on the Epstein files that day before he disappeared as well, or she was also questioned about UAP and disclosure.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Weird timelines there.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very weird timelines.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's another another
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: thing, the kind of people think is tied to McCastlan.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was an anonymous Twitter account, X account that talked deeply about advanced aircraft flight mechanics and all kinds of weird shit.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The X account is still up and it's the handle is Tmb spaceships.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So people think that it stands for they might be spaceships.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's been posting about exotic electric propulsion, plasma physics, and ionized gas flight mechanics, since around November of 2022.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a blue check verified as over 1,600 posts, bio reads 38-year active duty U.S. Air Force
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: the account stopped posting, which is the exact same day of a castlin win, the castlin disappeared.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The same day he just walked in to nothing.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not strange.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the timeline from where when the landscape were talking to him to win the wife got home,
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The last post was posted in that gray area from when he disappeared.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's us.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are a few, a few differences in some of the information stated like 38 years.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: My castle was technically in the Air Force 34 years.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it could also just be him leading to his anonymity.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: but he posted almost daily about propulsion systems, physics, all sorts of things that were directly in the vein with what McCaston talked about.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And since it went quiet, almost to the hour that he disappeared and hasn't fired back up.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of crazy.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of crazy.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, and I mean, I hate to say it like with that, that leads to the possibility that
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: have been a part of some revolutionary ground breaking for the betterment of humanity type shit.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're wanting to get it out.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe maybe not even the betterment.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe he has heard of the inevitable blue beam or something to that effect.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh shit, like this is really bad.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting ready to happen.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And these people are trying to find ways
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: and click, click, click, click, click down they go.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You leave a trail, they're gonna get it.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's nothing.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to those types of situations, there's nothing worse than for someone like him or whomever to become almost like a martyr.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like that motivates people, like, oh shit, Steve was brave enough to die for this.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have to pick up the man,
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that that's almost in the same vein of what my next pair of this and it's a little different, but all like I said all conspiracy theories aside a man with this much information that was privy to this much classified information going missing.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: is a significant national security threat.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when it happened in the FBI, it was like, we can't find them.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're first like, we can't find them.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: People were like, oh shit, we should look into this.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when they did, that's when other scientists that have went missing started, people started flagging.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that leads us to our next one.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize this.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were going this long.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whew, this might be a multi-multi-parter here.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, this leads us to our next, which is a woman by the name of Monica Asinto Reza.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: She vanished on June 22nd, 2025 while hiking with friends in the Angelus National Forest in California.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was last seen waving to a hiking companion approximately 30 feet behind the group, despite extensive search involving helicopters, drones, canine units,
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that was found of her was Abini and her lip balm.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it, missing 411 to a T. That's what I was getting ready to say.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: To now literally, now it feels like she got taken by something.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not someone, something.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Give me goosebumps because I'm thinking about the phenomenon quite and people up discussion people up yeah, I mean that's a terrifying thought that These motherf like because I mean right now The evidence leans the first home boy got abducted to Because he's not on any anything And then on top and dude on top of that
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: His wife makes all of putting joke about how aliens fucking abduct him.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little fucking strange.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say aliens this time, but gosh damn.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know man.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even have my sinful hat on.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm probably getting information beaming into my head right now.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Raise was 60 years old.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was an aerospace engineer and technical analyst at Arrow Jet Rocket Dine, who later moved to NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: She is a co-inventor of the alloy, Mandaloy.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mandaloy is a family of nickel-based super-alloys developed by Arrow Jet Rocket Dine to withstand oxygen rich environments and extreme heat in rocket engines.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Its unique achievement is balancing high oxygen compatibility with structural strength, solving a critical challenge where the traditional oxygen resistant allies were too weak for use in high pressure components like pre-burners and turbine rotors.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Up until Razza and her partner came up with Mandaloy, we could not figure out how to balance those two things.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently,
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: the other superpowers, the Russians, and China were well-advanced in that than we are until they landed this.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, it was pretty significant development that she was that she co-found co-created essentially.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But back to her disappearance.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three hikers departed the 6,000 foot day use parking area on Angelus crest highway at approximately 910 a.m.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Pacific coast trail crossing at Highway 2, Ridgeline terrain 7,000 to 8,000 feet, challenging but well maintained.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it is noted that Razza has walk at this trail multiple times.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that she was unfamiliar with.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... neighbor later posted on the crescent of valley share of stations facebook page quote what we know is that she went hiking with her yoga group slash friends her car was parked at one of their houses and she did not make it back home one of the three designated a subject see in civilian investigations state at the bottom of the steep section raise it in the lead hiker subject a continued to the summit of mount waterman and began to send what
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: to begin descending the West Ridge, independent investigators on a spirit and hiking form, reconstruction reconstructed the timeline using metadata from photos the group took on the trail.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The pair covered a mile from the summit to their last photograph position in about 17 minutes.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Roughly three and a half miles an hour.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good, pretty good stint about a jog.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then a 0.3 miles more in five minutes to the point where she disappeared.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: At a northernly right turn on the ridge, subject A claims he communicated the turn to Razza.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He says she was 30 feet behind him.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Initially reported 30 yards, then corrected it to 30 feet.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But a graphic evidence for moment earlier showed about
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: theorist online want to call his remembrance of things like into questions as he kind of changed things up, but you're on a hiking trail, you know, like 30 feet and 60 feet, especially when you're being interviewed and stuff, I don't know.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I feel like it'd be easy just to mix that up.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that big of a difference.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: 60 yards would be different.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said when he called up to her, he said, hey, there's gonna be a turn up here.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she signaled back to him with a wave.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I got it, I got it.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Subject A, then made the turn and descended approximately 150 feet before realizing that she did not make it around the turn.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He returned to the ridge line in eight to 10 minutes and she was gone.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He called her name, subject C over 1,600 feet away and 500 feet below the ridge on the noise your highway side could hear subject A shouting for Monaco.
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Monaco who by subject A's account had been 30 feet behind him less than 10 minutes earlier did not answer and nobody heard from her again.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Acting Captain Ryan A. Vienna of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Chriscent of Valley Station called it in extra and called it the search extraordinary.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was not exaggerating.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Montrose search and rescue lead.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were joined by units from Altadena and a low valley Malibu San Dima Sierra Madre San Diego Ventura County Orange County San Bernardino County Riverside as well as again federal
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So strange.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, how the fuck does it take you 10 minutes to realize your homies not around?
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially the pace like they were moving together and the pace was fairly good.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bro, I mean, you did a mile and 17 minutes.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That slow was fuck.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said it was only a hundred feet away, but I guess it depends on the terrain that he was moving
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like it would take me 10 minutes to realize you're not around.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dog man just they could be like 30s 30 seconds.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, where the fuck did Steve go?
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is wrong.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what just happened.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait, there's lip balm in a beanie.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you just walk off a ridge, you don't just magically drop a beanie in lip balm.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's so it's so weird doesn't happen that is and that so there's no evidence of her anywhere no he's gone another one if you go home he's had something to do with it they were very very thorough very thorough because there are actual photos of them together on the mountain
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: they reported or missing not not long after that.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, yeah, that would be some extreme tradecraft.
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that point.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: LSD's air rescue five helicopter ran thermal imaging sweeps.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They sent up the flea the morning after to look for it picked up animal life picked up a bear, but it did not pick
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They did pick up other searchers.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was functioning.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was working right.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It did not pick up.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Reza.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who was wearing a red a bright red shirt at the time?
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it should be easy to see even without thermal.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even just in the helicopter, you're going to see a bright red shirt.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They ran, like they did, they're due diligence.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They ran algorithmic pixel matching programs through the aerial photography, calibrated specifically on the color of her shirt, to where that it would land on the color of her shirt.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Super high tech stuff, they did get a couple flagdits.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Both of them turned out to be mylar balloons.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the technology locked in enough on that mountain, the fact that they can just, that they can hone in on a color through pixel matching metadata is crazy to me.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is very interesting.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So on the morning of June 23rd, approximately 24 hours after the disappearance of being a belonging to Reza was found in a steeper ravine south of the ridge, descending toward an area known as Devil's Canyon, which also leads right into Missing 411 territory.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's always devil's something and Missing 411 ones, he helped.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sintdog's track raises trail from the upper ridge, downward and successfully followed it to the beanie.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: There they lost the scent entirely.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, she disappeared and the beanie was all this left.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was no trail of her walk it out, no direction from the beanie.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her scent
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why, she just got plucked off the planet or the beanie, maybe fell off from a height of her being zoomed away.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, no, because odds are she's probably wearing yoga pants because that seems to be like daily attire for most people these days.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is for, but I mean, regardless though,
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me so much of Missing 401 the case where didn't they find like loose change on the ground?
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: In one case.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I remember you given the description almost like something plucked him up, had him upside down.
• 50:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, where do you keep lip balm 90% of the time?
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: In a fucking pocket.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh, in October and independent investigator who visited the site and spoke directly with subject A wrote down without significant wind.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, this means that the being he got transported there by some walking animal or someone other than Monica.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love smart people.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love walking animal.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I had to guess what probably a
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Multiple civilian researchers who descended the ravine described the terrain as steep, but not steep enough to be fatal if someone were to fall.
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The slopes were open and visible, hundreds of people searched south of the ridge for months.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Finding nothing.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is reported that the day she went missing, missing someone reported hearing, quote, a woman screaming in the area.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: The original witness was never publicly identified.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The time and exact location were never disclosed.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lip balm was later found far from both the last known position and the beanie.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: subject day insisted that it looked new and it was hers.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only photo provided showed it looked a little weather form investigators noted it was a common brand that could have belonged to any of the hundreds of searchers who were in the area already covering the area the weeks before it surfaced.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: On June 29th one weekend, Vienna announced the conclusion of the initial response phase that the
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Detective Shannon Reekin, Rincon, and Richie Sanchez.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the standard procedures for unsolved missing person.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cases in LA County, it does not should be noted that it does not indicate presumption of foul play.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: As of March, 2026, Monica, as Sinto Reza has not been found.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And where they did they imply that the beanie and that bomb could be from any of the searchers.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: The beanie was absolutely hers.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like that's my as hers.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the scent dogs confirmed that it was hers.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: The lip balm was found later.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the yoga buddy was like, yeah, that's the brand she used.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he assumed it was hers, but it was also a common brand from what the investigator said.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I just, I thought they were trying to say that the beanie could be anybody's and I'm like, no, no.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure somebody, I'm pretty sure some, well, that, the $102, but I'm pretty sure somebody would be like, hey, yeah, that's my beginning.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually lost it as mine.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's my bad guys.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets, gets a little bit stranger on June 26, 2025.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Four days after Monica raised a disappeared.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Three days before the official search was even suspended.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Someone created a memorial page for her on fine-de-grave.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's where someone created a memorial page saying that she was passed away.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Memorial ID 284387277.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Monica Jacinto Reza, born December 30th, 1964, died June 22nd, 2025.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Death Location, Angelus National Forest, Los Angeles County, California, remains green burial, which I think a green burial is just being left in the woods.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: The memorial was created by a contributor identified as Lillian, whose profile is no longer publicly accessible.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is currently maintained by separate contributor, J.C., two photos were added, one matching the image from the missing person flyer.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was added while helicopters were still in the air looking for her.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at what green burial means, no embalming, biodegradable container, basically being put directly back straight into the earth, that's fucked up, that's fucking weird, man, that's super, super insensitive for someone to even like jump to gun and do.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: hundreds of boots on the ground, it's fucking weird, it's it's very strange, no public reports indicate her remains wherever recovered, no obituaries been published, no death certificate as accessible through public databases.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: because she hasn't been found.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you can't say that she's dead.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: She can't find her.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: A funeral announcement, the homicide bureau has not announced the resolution.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's still missing.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And someone came through and declared that she was dead and buried four days into the search while search and rescue teams were still on the ground looking for her.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And didn't they say people looked for her for months?
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's so it's so bizarre that she just goes missing.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And right now there's two two for two that extremely bizarre circumstances around people vanishing.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: These scientists are just gone.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of tie into one another through this mandaloy stuff here.
• 56:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: because if we're going to see how she ties into the castle, and we got to go through this woman named Dallas Hardwick, who also could kind of be questioned about her own death, but it's back in 2014, so that's quite a ways away.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Dallas Hardwick was raised as mentor and the co-inventor of Mandaloy, so they worked on that together.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: She moved to AFR Lohio Wright, Patterson.
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: By 2005, she was leading all materials research for advanced gas turbines.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her group, the AFR L materials directorate, was the government side of the Mandaloy cost sharing contracts.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Razza was the contractor side of the Aero Jet Rocket Dine.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: These were not two separate operations.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: they shared funding.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one program basically, they both led both halves of this program.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hardwix team at AFRL qualified the Alloway Resist team at AeroJet, Rocket Dime Produced it.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every Mondaloy test article, every composition variant, every material, clarification, flowed between those two.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: In May 2011, McCaslin took command of the entire Air Force Research Laboratory.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, he was over those two.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: and Razza was one of his senior civilian scientists, or Hardwick was one of his senior civilian scientists.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her Materials Research Program reported up through the authority, the Mandaloy Cost Sharing Contracts with Arrowjet Rocketine, flowed through both of them.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: When Razza's team and California ship data to the government for qualification at Landon Hardwick's directorate inside McCasland's laboratory,
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, they had direct contact with one another via this research, which is fucking weird.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were, they were working on it, and McCaslin was right in the checks for it, sending it out.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's strange.
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is weird.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you have three tiers to this triangle, McCastlin up here, send in the money flow to Reza who was doing all the sciencey stuff that went to Hardwick who was creating the stuff.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Hardwick's death was strange too.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: She retired and within a year, she was dead of advanced cancer, what you hear a lot of.
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: In these cases,
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is terrible.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was diagnosed or she retired in late 2012 after a cancer diagnosis and she passed away on January 5th, 2014.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's one.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: One side of the triangle gone, then Razza waived at her hiking buddy and disappeared in 2025.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: The other side of the triangle
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: walk out of his home and into the nothingness, which is us.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just those three alone, that's that's a weird situation.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I worked anywhere around that whole triangle and all three of them were to just disappear or die suddenly, I'm going to be highly suspicious of something going
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I, that is exactly what I was thinking.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We worked a Pepsi for a long time.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if, if, if three of our bosses died within the same, you know, span of time, not, not even died.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If two of them disappeared off the face of the earth, we would be like, this is weird.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is weird.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so just a kind of kind of circle back around.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: co-invented the alloy, mandaloy, at Rockwell.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: After they split, Hardwick ran the government qualification at AFRL while Razza ran the contractor production at AeroJet Rocket eye.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: McCaslin commanded the laboratory that House Hardwick could direct it and authorize the contracts that funded Razza's work.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: All connected if by nothing else, then just funding.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're all working on top secret projects.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that goes without saying that's a guarantee they were working on top secret projects.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if they're making new new fucking metals, that's a pretty serious thing anymore.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially for rockets, which is essentially also ties back to the military industrial complex.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: because she, she was kind of, like, aeroget rocket iron is a defense contractor.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So surprise surprise.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, once again, you're back into that field, or that area of weaponry technology,
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: which contractors take extremely serious because you're fucking with their money.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that was and that was before before she disappeared when she disappeared.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: She had moved from that to JPL, which is NASA's own Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she was a big deal as well as McCouslin.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: She co-invindged like rocket engineering materials disappears without a trace.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's what I'll do and it's weird.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go into I didn't go into Hardwick because again that that pushes the timeline back almost 10 years and I'm just trying to keep it in this very specific niche I know I talked about her a little bit because I feel like she's an important integral part of that
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they're on your third of Mandaloy.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Me either until I started looking into this and I was like, Oh, this could be important.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it could be an important material we have created here.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've made it through to hollow cold.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got a ways to go and that's okay.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize I had that.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were going to roll on that much information, but that's okay.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see where the puzzle unfolds to.
• 1:03:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets it gets strange.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's got 10 rules everywhere.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: If this is a conspiracy, which I mean, it's got to be at this point.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's strange.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hell, by the time we did this, there might be more people.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just saw something online where
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another Air Force or NASA guy was found dead in his Tesla or something.
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't look into it because I already right in this, but anyway, got through the first two.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to call that here, but are tuned in next week because there's some more weirdness literally four days after Reza went missing.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another one goes missing.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think, I think it's a better description of this point.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, disappeared.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, disappeared disappeared.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is, yeah, and it's so bizarre.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Missing your chips going on.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It spells it.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you got your first two.
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to dive into the rest of them next week.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know there was a lot of verbiage in there, but I wanted to kind of
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: go into the importance of the bases because they're going to come back up and go into the importance of the laboratories because they're going to come back up and it's it's a whole web of information and trying to put it together considering it's not in chronological order it's difficult for my brain.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could see that.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So thanks for hanging out with us
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: We really do.
• 1:05:43
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• 1:05:48
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• 1:05:50
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• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:53
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• 1:05:56
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• 1:05:58
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• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is going on?
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it is?
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some sort of conspiracy within the military industrial complex.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it's
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alien abduction.
• 1:06:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it's the phenomenon of silencing people that know too much about the phenomenon?
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a foreign government?
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it our own government?
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are they starting a new government?
• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:24
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• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you are a Jet Propulsion NASA scientist,
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just don't go on a walk because apparently that's what happens when you do go on a walk.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just vanish into nothing.