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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 8) (5/24/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the unnamed COO and her
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  interview with the OIG investigators. Question all right, so, being
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  that this was only July thirtieth to August ninth, answer
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  maybe twice? Question possible twice? Answer yeah, two three times? Probably.
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  Question do you think it's being that the lieutenants or
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  the obsolutenants and activities lieutenants should have someone told you?
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  Answer absolutely? Question okay, and in this case, when you're working,
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  it should have been redacted. Answer yes, question all right,
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  So redacted should have told you? Answer yes, question all right?
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  And as far as nope, never mind, those were my
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  follow ups. Let me just look at this now. In
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  any of those instances, would the captain be responsible or
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  does it always? Do you think it's really the oppsoleutenant?
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  Answer captain? Question the captain would be responsible. So should
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  the captain have told you as well? Then? Answer? The
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  captain can always communicate with his lieutenants always. Question okay,
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  But as an acting lieutenant, I mean question, oh absolutely.
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  If I'm acting that day, then it's his or her
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  responsibility to include me in what's going on? Question? Okay,
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  so what about in this instance where you didn't start
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  until I think later in the day. Answer yeah, Question
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  captain's gone, So would it he gets cut off by
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  the guard? I forgot about that? Yeah? Yeah, so if
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  I'm still on that floor and he's gone. Question so
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  it should have been again at the ops? Is there
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  a shoe lieutenant? Answer there's a shoe lieutenant, But I
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  don't think that day that we had one. Question what's
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  lieutenant vice the shoe lieutenant? Answer? I don't remember who
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  was the shoe lieutenant at the time. Question If there
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  was a shoe lieutenant, what was the normal schedule, like,
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  what would have been their schedule? Answer on six to
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  two and seven to three? Question okay, so they would
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  have been gone before you came to your shift. Answer yeah.
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  Question if it had been their responsibility to make sure
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  that since you're coming into the shoe to work as lieutenant,
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  would that have been their responsibility to pass that message
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  onto you? Answer? Yeah. Question and did you say you
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  were unaware that the arranged camera in the shoe was down?
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  Answer that is correct. Question and whose responsibility would it
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  have been? Would the people working in the shoe know
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  that it was down. Answer. So, if you're in the shoe,
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  you don't know that the cameras are inoperable unless like
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  it's broken, like you see a crack. But just if
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  it looks like a camera, you don't know if it's inoperable.
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  So a facility is responsibility to fix the cameras. Now,
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  if you're in the control center and you see a
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  camera out, then you notify indiscernible. Question. And if you're
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  in the facilities and you're told that the camera is out,
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  about how quickly should that camera be fixed? Answer? I'm
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  not sure what the timeframes are, but you know certain things.
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  I don't know if a shoe camera takes priority over
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  a general population camera, I don't know, but work orders
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  have to be submitted, you know, staff have to be around,
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  so you know, it just really depends on what the
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  job is. Question Okay, and do you know if anybody
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  in facilities specifically would be responsible for doing it? Answer?
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  Wealth Facilities is a big crew of individuals, So whoever
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  they designate to fix the cameras, it could be anybody.
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  Question Okay, anything else? The other investigator jumps in, did
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  you see any maintenance happening with the camera during that time,
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  any crews coming in there to fix the cameras anything
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  like that? Answer? I mean it's a prison. I mean
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  everyone works on everything. You know what I'm saying. But
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  do I recall like facilities being in the shoe that day?
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  I can't tell you that, yes or now, because I
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  really just don't remember, you know what I'm saying. Question Now,
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  do you find anything suspicious with the death of Epstein yourself?
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  Like the fact you know different counts, cameras down, things
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  like that. Answer no, question no, So what's your opinion
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  on the matter? Answer? I really don't have an opinion.
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  I just feel like, you know, I came to work.
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  I try to do my job the best way I can.
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  You know, my goal is to come in, do what
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  I need to do, go the extra mile, and just
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  go home in one piece. I don't focus on specific
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  inmates and what their crime is. I treat everybody with
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  respect and I just want to go home. Question and like,
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  do you think somebody dropped the ball here? Do you
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  think that there's somebody that's responsible in this matter from
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  the limited information that you know? Answer? Are you asking
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  me my opinion? Question from but like an educated opinion
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  based upon what we've talked about and what you've been
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  able to gather and working there being on duty that
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  August night. Answer sure, I mean, in my honest opinion,
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  I do think that some mistakes were made, some honest
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  mistakes were made on certain individuals' parts. Absolutely, I mean
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  it's clear that mistakes were made. You know its proof
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  is there that mistakes were made? Question? Sure, Now it's
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  the four pm, ten pm, twelve am, three am five
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  am counts weren't conducted? If they weren't, how serious do
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  you think that is? Answer? I get paid to count inmates.
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  Question right. Answer, So if I'm not counting inmates, I
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  should just stay home. Question okay, so is that like
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  gets cut off by the guard? Count is the primary
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  reason why were correctional officers are to account for the inmates?
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  Question Okay, I like it. That's a good statement. And
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  what about rounds? If the rounds weren't conducted the same answer? Absolutely?
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  Question okay, answer rounds were equally as important. Absolutely. Question
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  are you aware of any policy violation or things like
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  that at MCC Answer? No, question that's all I have.
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  The next investigator jumps back in. Anything else you want,
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  did you ask her about the pills and stuff like that,
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  anything else that you know that he had and that
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  he shouldn't have had, Answer, no question, Okay, anything else
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  you want to add, answer, no question. Okay. It's four
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  forty seven pm on Monday, June fourteenth, twenty twenty one.
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  This is Senior Special Agent redacted, and I'm turning off
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  the recorder. And I think it's rather obvious from the
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  statements that have been made by the people that were
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  working the night that Jeffrey Epstein died that something was amiss.
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  And if they want to blame it on systemic issues
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  and the fact that everything collapsed at once, then how
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  come that wasn't fixed. How Come there hasn't been some
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  gigantic reorganization of the BOP. How Come we haven't had,
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  you know, a whole new regime come in and sweep
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  clean all the bad things that were happening. How Come
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  there hasn't been a gigantic push to get people hired
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  in those positions that they say are open. You mean
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  to tell me people don't want a federal job where
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  they're going to get a pension, how about we up
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  to pay a little bit? Seems to me that that
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  kind of job should require somebody that's making a couple
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  of bucks, right if we want the job to be
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  done correctly. And I think it's pretty important that we
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  get things right. We have somebody locked in prison, in jail,
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  whether it's Epstein or anyone else, there should be a
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  reasonable expectation that that person's going to be reasonably safe
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  inside of that geil. Now, of course, things happen, and
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  when you're locked into a cell or a gelhouse with
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  a bunch of crazy lunatics, shit can pop off real quick.
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  But I think that there needs to be an effort
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  made to safeguard people's safety. And what we saw with
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  Jeffrey Epstein, we haven't seen with any other high level inmate.
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  Go back and look at all the high level inmates
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  that we've seen incarcerated, locked up, and you tell me
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  which one has met their fate the same way Epstein did.
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  Oh wait, Whitey Bulger, which is ironic, isn't it? Another
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  guy that had the goods on the government ends up
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  getting clipped while he's behind bars. So Whitey Bulger Jeffrey Epstein,
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  they both get clipped. But El Choppo, El Mio, Vinnie gorgeous, Ramsey, Useef,
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  you name it. They all have a great life. Huh.
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  No problems while they're at MCC. Their cameras don't go out,
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  they don't get put in a cell with a four
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  time murderer who got nailed for contraband having a phone
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  in his cell two weeks prior. Yeah, none of that happened,
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  right only to Jeffrey Epstein. And then they come to
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  us with the whole nonsensical pitch that it was just,
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  you know, the perfect storm. And I think it's obvious
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  that there's a lot more going on here, and if
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  it's the perfect storm that they said, then they need
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  to fit it. But my opinion is that things weren't
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  as bad systemically as they say, and that there was
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  a lot of people that were involved. Now they might
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  not be involved as far as it being a big
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  plot and everybody's in on some kind of scheme to
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  kill Epstein, that's not what I mean. But the situation
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  could have been set up, the table could have been
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  set And when you look at all these different interviews
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  and you hear from all these guards and all these
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  people and all their oh I don't recalls, it doesn't
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  really give me confidence that everything is what they say
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  it is. So what we're going to keep doing is
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  keep diving into these depositions, keep diving into these interviews
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  as we continue to peel this onion back one layer
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  at a time. All the information that goes with this
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