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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 061526 LIVE, - Water, Domes, and Documents: From Structured Sips to Social Security · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Yeehaw.
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  So would we. I think collectively,
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  I'm gonna include you anyway.
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  We'd like to change it too, Alvin. We're gonna try. We got six days to see what we can accomplish in this stretch here, and this is the first of them at being, of course, Lunas Monday.
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  Sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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  Regardless,
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  it is what it is. It's the seventeenth. For Tom D,
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  it's the June
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  17,
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  date stamp.
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  Roger Sales, your host, and the Radio Ranch, the name of our get together.
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  Now, normally,
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  as our protocol has dictated over years that we would introduce Paul right now, and he would give us a
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  list of the folks that help us extend our reach here and carry the program. Well, we've changed that a bit, so we're gonna do that in an hour. So
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  stay tuned.
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  Unknown: Wow. Hope you had a good weekend weekend. Well Have a good weekend, Paul. The only thing we need to announce at the beginning of the show is Uh-oh. The website
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  and free conference call.
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  That's it.
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  Okay. The platforms come at the top of the hour. So our website is thematrixdocs.com,
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  and free conference call links are right there. So if you wanna join us live on the show, you don't have to wait until the top of this hour, this next hour.
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  Unknown: Yeah. You don't have to wait to get the to find out how to join us. Well, we gotta give them credit. We gotta set it up so we can sink in with other platforms down the line as
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  excuse me. More and more people
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  find us and have an interest in reality,
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  I guess,
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  simply put.
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  Unknown: Morning, Paul. Morning, Paul. Morning.
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  Unknown: And you and you and the kitty had a rain out this weekend, you say? Yeah. Pretty much.
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  Unknown: Pretty much.
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  Yeah. Rain rain coming and going. And Right.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I see. I was watching some of these baseball games and seeing some of that rain as those
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  as those cells
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  or the front goes to different areas.
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  See, I got this streaming thing that I pay for, like, bucks a year.
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  And I Paul, it's just just
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  I guarantee you they offer virtually
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  every signal in the world from every country, every quadrant,
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  every
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  sport, every broadcast
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  unit.
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  And it it gets it's overwhelming a little bit, really.
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  So I had them set up my account where it only shows the English stuff,
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  which is still somewhat overwhelming.
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  As I click around, like, I click on last night, I was watching the hockey game. Congratulations,
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  by the way, to the you Carolina folks or folks that follow the Carolina Hurricanes.
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  They won the Stanley Cup, Lord Stanley's Cup,
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  most sought after trophy in North America, certainly. So congratulations
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  to them. That's not an easy feat.
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  But, anyway, like I was clicking around, and I'll see every
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  ABC that was on ABC last night. They'll have a list of every ABC affiliate in the country.
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  So, oh, Corpus Christi. Check on Corpus Christi. Sometimes there's a little
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  there's a glitch in it. You know, just for a second, there's an interruption. And and so sometimes
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  you can go through a whole list of these different options and find you another one with a better signal that doesn't have that interruption. So, anyway, I was watching, clicking on one of them, and there's the weather weather thing that comes up in the little corner. So, yeah, congratulations,
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  Carolina.
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  Let's see. Yeah. So that was part of the weekend for me.
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  It's a good escape time.
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  When something happens Saturday night, we'll probably
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  touch on here.
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  Regardless,
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  one of the things I wanted to come out with, open up with, if you will,
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  was, this Greg Hunter interview guy yesterday.
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  Do you do you watch do you watch the Chihuahua regularly,
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  Paul?
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  Unknown: No.
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  Unknown: Okay. Okay.
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  Well, this guy's been on four or five times. He's really he's a scientist guy, cutting edge stuff really way ahead of the crowd,
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  and,
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  I can't remember his name. He's real good, though. He's he's
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  and, yesterday, he was talking about something near and dear to, well, my heart, maybe some of you too is water. Water. In his, presentation that he did yesterday, and I would encourage you to,
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  all to go watch that if you've got any kind of
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  interest in the scientific things that may be affecting us here.
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  But he had a real neat little thing, you know, and I I just did it a minute ago, Paul.
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  And I've been doing it for years
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  charging my water.
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  Remember? Mhmm. With the with the the wand, and we'd say charge your water, charge your liquids. You can charge food.
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  You can charge anything that's got water in it
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  Unknown: because it's charging Warren.
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  Unknown: Weston Warren. Thank you, Jules.
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  He's pretty good. Did you watch that yet? Julie?
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  Unknown: Pardon me? Roger, what happened?
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  Unknown: Did you watch Weston Warren's interview with Chihuahua yet?
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  Unknown: I did. Yeah. I'm an avid I'm an avid, fly on the wall when it comes to,
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  mister Chihuahua,
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  Greg Hunter. I love him. Okay. Yes. That's
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  Unknown: a really good name from Daryl gave him the answers.
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  Pretty adept. We're talking about Greg Hunter. By the way, if you don't know who that is, usawatchdog.com,
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  and he does really kinda fit the chihuahua moniker.
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  So I just like, he's
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  like the I've got one here on the property, little chihuahua.
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  Daryl. The well, him and his Darylisms.
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  Anyway, with this guy Weston Weston Wright, is that his name? He's very good. I've seen him on there several other times. But the thing I wanted to specifically go on, we can talk about some of the peripheral things of that later
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  as I thought about it. But this guy has,
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  he's got something that was he developed for for the air, cleaning the air that NASA's been using for twenty seven years. They use it in all the stuff up there in space.
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  So,
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  anyway, I loved his thing on water, though, yesterday, and he brings out this little toy.
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  It's kinda like a geodetic dome when it's in full thing.
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  You know? Well, I'm talking about not half of a a dome like you see people living in, but but the whole thing based on those triangles.
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  And so
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  he's messing with that thing. He says, well, it's really just a children's toy.
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  And and he opens it up to this geodetic
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  type shape.
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  I forget what I'm looking for.
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  There's a there's a word to describe that.
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  Sphere, and I can't
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  remember it here on Monday morning, especially. So, anyway, he's he would take and he would compress it. He would compress it down to a little bitty, not a ball, but a little bitty group of this material that was rubber or whatever it was. It was made up of the thing. And then he could grab it, and he could expand it into this full
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  dome
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  circle
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  of this stuff. Hope you know what I'm talking about. I can't find the word I'm looking for.
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  So, anyway, he was this is very interesting. I mean, it was to me. It might not be. You've been messing with water for years.
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  Structured water and stuff you can add into it to structure it, and
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  there's a couple of places around the world where it comes out of the ground in this in this, fully charged,
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  capacity.
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  And then evidently from what he was saying is that's the life cycle of the earth because water's the universal solvent, a,
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  and it's,
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  you know, some you can't live without more than a couple of days. Mm-mm. No
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  no living,
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  whatever it is, can live without water for a couple days. You can live without food for quite a while.
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  So, anyway and he's playing with that thing, and he's, opening it up to the full dome and then compressing it down to the and he asked a question, Paul. He said, he's going in. It's very interesting here now. I'm telling you. The guy's very scientific oriented. He takes a water molecule, h two o,
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  that we both,
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  are very familiar with.
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  Any schematics it up on the board, and what it is is the the water molecule
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  is the big circle at the bottom and then the two hydrogens,
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  h two o dio
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  dihydro what
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  Borch used to call it. You know, he'd say, Julie,
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  dihydroxyl,
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  Unknown: what is that stuff? That
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  is dihydrogen
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  monoxide,
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  and that stuff will kill you in
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  sufficient quantities.
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  Unknown: That's right. And that's what water is, dihydrogen
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  monoxide.
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  And he even schemes it up on the schematic there on the board. Now this is very interesting, Paul. He's got the two hydrogen setting the way they sit evidently naturally
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  on the on the, water
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  molecule,
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  and they're at a specific
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  degree of separation,
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  a one zero three point four,
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  it was. There's a specific
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  Unknown: and 104 degrees.
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  Unknown: Thank you. I was close.
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  104 degrees, and those two hydrogen molecules sit up there. Now that's when the water
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  is depleted.
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  It's depleted of all its energy, and it's not charged.
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  And I think he called what do you call it, Julie? Bulk water?
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  Unknown: I think he called it bulk water. So that's what's in the He calls it bulk he calls it bulk, and then he also calls it energized. So energized water is at a 108 degrees.
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  Unknown: And bulk there? One zero four. Okay. Well, now Julie just spoiled the whole thing that I was building up. So you wanna repeat that?
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  Unknown: So
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  one a 104 degrees is the bulk water, and 108 degrees is the energized water. He he's he's an inventor. He's very smart.
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  Unknown: Yeah. He's very smart. So, anyway, what Julie's trying to steal my thunder here, normally, if the water is discharged in a bulk water, as he called it, position, it's unenergized.
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  And it's got these two hydrogen molecules sitting atop at exactly a 104 degrees opposite each other.
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  That's when the water is bulk, and it doesn't have any of the real what, I guess, we'll call it identified as goodness. It's like got all the goodies in there.
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  But when you get it up to a 108, Paul,
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  on the degrees of separation from the two hydrogen molecules,
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  now it's fully charged.
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  So it's this charge and discharge
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  of the water molecule cycle.
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  It's one of the basic cycles on Earth of the most important thing we can have, water.
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  It's very interesting. And he he really demonstrates it with this little kid's toy really adequately,
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  I thought.
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  So here's the cycle. It comes if it comes out of the water, a charge, then it discharges itself.
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  But when if I was to ask you, Paul,
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  which one of those two
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  of these mental
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  images I'm trying to put in your mind
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  was the crumped up one or the fully discharged
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  one where it's the big geographic dome?
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  Which of those two is energized and which one is bulk?
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  Unknown: Paul.
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  Unknown: What? The position of the electrons, whatever? No. No. No. No. No. Let me go back.
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  The toy that he started with, which can compress down in something you can hold in a hand, or he can enlarge it into this big circle like a geodetic dome, if you will, because it's the best thing I know to describe it. Which one of those two
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  positions is charged?
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  Unknown: Compressed?
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  Unknown: Yes. Good guess.
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  K? But it was an educated guess from Paul because he's a smart guy, and he knows some of these basic principles.
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  Now I'm
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  trying to stroke you, man. Come on. So so
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  what happens is
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  when the water is the bulk water, it's the big big
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  dome, the big circle, geodetic dome, and it doesn't have any of the goodies in it.
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  But when you charge it,
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  it allows it to compress
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  down.
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  Now why would that be, Paul? It's totally opposite of what it it should be in our thinking, correct? Another dialectical
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  Unknown: thing here, right? No. No. No. No. Because any proximity between
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  the
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  components
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  of either an atom or a molecule,
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  the tighter those electrons
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  Unknown: are, the higher energy that molecule's gonna have. I just Oh, there you go. Well, see, I told you. I told you he knew all this stuff. He he shirked it off. I just I just illustrated it to you right there. So
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  the advantage of the structured water, the charged water,
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  the energized
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  water, if you will, in its compressive state
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  is because it can get down to the intercellular
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  level.
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  The big one without any of the goodies can't get that low.
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  So it's the charging or the energizing of the water that allows us to get down to the deep root, fine points, capillary type size, and smaller parts of our body where it can hydrate you.
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  I I just thought that was fascinating. Why?
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  Because we got this device we've been messing with for a couple of years called an iTero wand.
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  Many of you have got one.
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  And one of the things they always said, no matter what you're using it for, your knees or this or that, you're the other,
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  is you always charge your liquids.
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  Well, for a long time, for a couple years, I did my water and my coffee.
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  I've kinda dropped off on the coffee, but I still have a canister of water that I drink through every day,
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  and I charge that every morning,
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  or when when I need to fill it.
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  And I think that's what the iTero wand is doing to that water is to shrink it down to that crumpled up size where it can get down to the intercellular level to hydrate you.
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  So I encourage you.
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  If you've got one of these, devices,
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  and I know
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  listen. To Paul, I got a recliner
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  that's been unfortunately too much of my time in,
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  here in front of the monitor.
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  And right in the pocket it's got a pocket in the side. Right in the pocket, I got my little eye tear wand.
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  And I do not I'm very guilty. I'll be the first one to tell you I do not use it as often as I should. I use it on the water,
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  and that's really I've I've kinda dropped off the routine, and I need to get back in it because I think that is what this stuff's doing to the water.
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  And and we know the the wand works. You know? I mean, I think I told you about my my good friend. Julie, you came well, you and I crossed paths on this last week.
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  You interrupted. Hey. Roger. Roger. Roger. I had heard about this book, and I ordered it, and it just came from Amazon. It's a book you're talking about on the air, which isn't any like it was published last week. It was published in the eighties.
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  It's called the body electric.
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  And the author is, doctor,
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  oh, it was two of them, but one of them was doctor Flick's medical adviser,
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  the guy that wrote the body electric.
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  Oh, Becker. Thank you, mister Becker.
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  And,
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  so that's where we kinda come in contact with Silverlawn and come back on a full circle.
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  So, anyway, that's, just fascinating.
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  I was fascinated to see that yesterday because it explained
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  a lot of things to me I'd never had an understanding on before as it comes to this water. Now hello. Somebody's got a child, a grandchild,
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  or something. I think it's Rick. Hey, Rick. No. That's that's a kitty. That's
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  Unknown: my pet. That was a kitty.
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  Unknown: Oh, Rick. I think the structure you're you're talking about is called a geodesic
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  dome. That's it. Thank you, Rick. It's also called a biosphere,
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  and the first big one was built for the nineteen sixty seven Montreal
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  Expo World's Fair, and I've been in it.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  And one that the one that was developed by the cripple guy Hawkins or whatever, he's the one that developed that sphere.
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  And you've you see a lot of people use them as a dwelling. You can cut that sphere in half and use half of it as a dwelling. It's got some very unique properties.
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  You can't really break the thing
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  Unknown: because of the structure. Was
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  Unknown: the guy designed it was Buckmaster Fuller. Yeah. Buckmaster Fuller. That's what I'm talking about. And it's designed of triangles
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  all fit together,
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  and you can't break the thing because the way of the design with the triangles when you put pressure on one point, it all bends to, to take up the pressure. It won't break.
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  So it's got some very unique
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  Oh, there you go, man, with those fancy words. It's a polyhedron.
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  Is that what you said?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: Good lord of mercy. Spell that 10 times. It's triangular.
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  Unknown: It's it's it's triangular, but, of course, it's, you know, curve. Yeah. Anyway. And and what does this go back to?
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  Unknown: Triangles.
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  What makes what makes triangles
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  either in the
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  spear
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  or the regular spear? What makes triangles so important, Rick? Do you know?
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  Unknown: I bet Julie Well, they're they're important in plane geometry.
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  Alright? Yes. Three points basis plane geometry.
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  Unknown: Three points make a plane a flat plane,
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  and it's the only,
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  shape
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  that does that, and it makes it the most stable shape
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  in reality, and that's why the bad guys use it in all their mysticism.
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  Same thing works evidently off grid.
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  You know, the three points, the three planes make a trap,
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  which the Babylonians came up with where they can trap you in a concept or concepts rather than
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  a
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  barbed wire fence.
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  K? So it's got some real important implications,
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  and this is what they would refer to as. I think Rick probably knows this.
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  Sacred geometry.
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  That's what they call this type of stuff.
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  And that was, of course, the basis of the world's greatest closely held open secret, which is the holy grail.
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  K?
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  Which is what we've got.
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  We we back engineered the thing. I'm sure that's what it is. I don't think the Illuminati's gonna come out and tell me, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
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  But we're privy to all Hey. Rock pod. Yeah. Rick, let me just say it. We're privy to all kinds of stuff around here that normal
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  people, even the educated people are not because we understand their basic game. Now, Rick, what were you gonna say?
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  Unknown: But the tripod or three legged platform is the most unstable platform in the universe.
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  Unknown: The what? The the
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  what?
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  Unknown: The tripod? A tripod. A three legged platform is the most unstable
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  platform.
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  Unknown: Oh, okay. But it still relays down that flat three points
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  make a plane thing, which is very unique, and they have utilized this in the
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  the real world and the, woo woo world. Woo woo. So have a good weekend, Rick.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: How about you? Did you watch the did you watch the
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  you watch the dog Saturday night?
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  Unknown: No. I still haven't been able to get them,
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  on a
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  I haven't been been able to get a stream. He told me about a stream, and I looked at it, and all of sudden, it disappeared off the net. And I don't know if you can get it in The US or what. Yes. Yes. You can. It's called Stream. The one I use is called StreamQ.
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  Unknown: There's a bunch of them out there. It's not an only one.
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  There's one that's called Sling, s l I n g. You can go look at that. That was
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  that was one of the first international
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  of of of cable
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  type transportation
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  things. And when I first got to Argentina,
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  let me see. There were some guys down there.
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  Pretty interesting story, Rick. It is Monday. Right?
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  There's a bunch of Americans down there and around Buenos Aires that went down there after the bankruptcy
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  o one and after, you know,
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  and, went down there because stuff was so dirt cheap, and the dollar was what everybody wanted. They go down there with a handful of dollars and buy up all these properties. I mean,
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  a huge properties.
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  And so a bunch of them got down there, and they bought this bar. They turned it into a bar. They tried to turn it into a,
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  a female breast bar,
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  and that didn't go too well with the Argentinians.
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  And so they just converted it into a sports bar.
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  And what they did in the early days, twenty years ago, was they had this thing called a sling box,
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  the four four runner of sling,
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  and,
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  they would pipe all these college football games all over the country. You know? What it was was they could get into the ESPN
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  family
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  and get some of those real rare regional games that wouldn't they wouldn't even normally carry, and they'd pipe all those things down there to BA with one of these sling box things. And, Rick, I'm telling you,
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  I met people in there that had a a vacation trip to South America, and they would plan their whole trip around that day and be in in Buenos Aires for that game at that bar.
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  And pretty interesting, they these guys, they got it. Hell is written up in the New York Times and all over the place.
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  And so that was the group of guys I kinda fell into down there.
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  So that was pretty cool, but there's several others. It's not just Sling or StreamQ,
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  but,
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  anyway, that's, they've
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  they tap into
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  I think it's because probably it's being done illegally, but they can't get them with anything because it's outside the country,
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  is they're tapping into these digital streams at some at all these stations, and they just make them all available to you.
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  That's what I'm talking about. You're out from The US. Really
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  yeah. Well, look. If you if you wanna follow-up on that, shoot me an email,
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  and I'll send you their WhatsApp
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  phone number, and you can get on there and ask them questions or
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  whatever. K? If the website's gone, you still wanna do it. So, anyway, it's Okay. It's streamservice.queue.
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  Unknown: I thought I thought it was qstream. It's streamqueue. Right? Correct. Streamq.com.
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  Unknown: Okay.
• 26:27
  Alright. Never mind it. Good. The customer customer service is real good and all that, and, generally, the streams are depends on your Internet selection. We're down here off of a side backbone.
• 26:37
  Evidently, at least that's one of the theories of one of the guys I know down here that you're not in the Europe to US pipeline stream. We're down this downleg stream.
• 26:46
  And, occasionally, you'll get buffering and stuff. It's isn't too irritating
• 26:51
  a little bit, but occasionally.
• 26:54
  And, anyway, it gets served for $79
• 26:57
  a year.
• 26:58
  I mean, really?
• 27:00
  Unknown: Yeah. That's that's a big thing because I'm retired on Social Security. I can't afford a $100 a month for that kind of thing. You know?
• 27:09
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 27:10
  Well, it's worth it to me, and you get all the broadcast channels, regular broadcast, and everything else.
• 27:17
  Well, I'm getting Netflix and and and,
• 27:20
  or or HBO.
• 27:21
  You you get more stuff than I ever wanna watch. I can tell you that.
• 27:25
  I just wanna wanna see some football. I wanna see a few sports and occasionally
• 27:30
  something else, but not often.
• 27:32
  So, anyway, that was the other thing I wanted to mention,
• 27:35
  and
• 27:37
  thank you, Rick.
• 27:41
  Let's see. What else was on my mind over the weekend?
• 27:49
  Well, I'm guessing I can launch into this right now.
• 27:53
  That's funny that this has come around
• 27:56
  to me the way it has.
• 28:00
  When I first left the country nineteen years ago,
• 28:04
  pretty here pretty quick in about three weeks,
• 28:07
  Two and a half weeks
• 28:08
  is the nineteenth anniversary of me saying bye bye. I'm leaving on a jet plane.
• 28:14
  And, boy, I'm gonna tell you what. Tell you a couple things right here.
• 28:21
  When that aircraft
• 28:24
  gets lift
• 28:26
  and those wheels come off that tarmac,
• 28:30
  I felt like I had 100 pound weights lifted off my shoulders.
• 28:36
  Period.
• 28:37
  And
• 28:39
  so that was one thing. The other thing I'm gonna tell you is what people told me when I first got into Argentina. I didn't believe them.
• 28:48
  Foolish me.
• 28:50
  And they said, this is gonna take you a year or more to unwind
• 28:55
  from being in The US. Ah, sure.
• 28:58
  You know what? They were right.
• 29:01
  Now looking back, I can see that. At that point, I could not.
• 29:05
  You are so
• 29:06
  psychologically
• 29:07
  wound up with all this crap they're throwing at us. It will take you
• 29:12
  a minimum of a year more than likely to unwind from it, maybe longer. Longer.
• 29:17
  So
• 29:19
  think about that.
• 29:21
  So as I went down there, one of my thoughts was, and, of course, then now I had the answer. See?
• 29:28
  Because I'd gotten the answer the year before when I went down on my trip on my visit and
• 29:33
  found,
• 29:34
  found the answer in the passport application. So now I've got my passport back.
• 29:39
  By the way, I'm I I would say that if this crosses your radar
• 29:45
  on leaving the country,
• 29:48
  realize
• 29:50
  that it's gonna take you a lot longer than you dreamed it would've to get out.
• 29:56
  Unsevering ties, setting up stuff where it worked, getting this, getting that,
• 30:02
  Just takes time. I
• 30:05
  thought I'd be back in about two months. It took me nine months to get back. Now my situation was extraordinary.
• 30:14
  But, anyway, as I went through that, I kept thinking, well, man, I'd love to get find some like minded people and get them down here with us
• 30:23
  where we could have our own community
• 30:25
  like we have here. We have a digital community,
• 30:29
  but where we could,
• 30:31
  you know, be in proximity to each other and whatnot, really have a
• 30:36
  tangent family.
• 30:39
  So that was in the back of my mind the whole whole time.
• 30:45
  Now
• 30:46
  I get down there,
• 30:48
  and after a couple years in the accident and all that crap that happened,
• 30:53
  I start dating this this
• 30:55
  gal from one of the most important families in town. She was the oldest daughter
• 31:00
  of nine children,
• 31:03
  and her father was the big doctor in town.
• 31:07
  And when they were growing up, he was the head administrator of both hospitals,
• 31:13
  chief surgeon at one, and had his own private practice on the side.
• 31:20
  Catholic family, obviously.
• 31:22
  Funny enough,
• 31:24
  the her father and her mother were from the same place over South Of Cordoba
• 31:28
  in what's called the Hills Of Cordoba, a really nice tourist area there in Argentina.
• 31:33
  And, they were their families were there, and their families knew each other. Boy, get this, Rick.
• 31:38
  And when she was born, he was 16.
• 31:42
  And he said, I'm gonna marry her one day. Well, damned if he didn't,
• 31:46
  and they had nine children.
• 31:47
  Kind of an interesting story.
• 31:52
  But, anyway, so Cloudy and I started seeing each other. And,
• 31:56
  her
• 31:57
  father being the big doctor, she'd gone to medical school for a year or something. I had all kinda honor. She's smart as a whip.
• 32:04
  Loved this this stuff that we like.
• 32:08
  Truth. She's a truth seeker.
• 32:10
  And so, anyway, she just I was I'd feed her all this stuff. She loved it. And so her
• 32:16
  her husband had been killed about
• 32:19
  seven or eight years earlier in an automobile accident.
• 32:22
  He
• 32:23
  she was from this high profile family. Well, so was he. His daddy owned the construction company in town. They were the richest family in town. So the oldest son of the richest family in town marries the beautiful blonde daughter of the doctor.
• 32:38
  And they were she quit medical school, and they went and they had about five children,
• 32:45
  and then he got killed in an automobile accident.
• 32:48
  And
• 32:50
  so, anyway, after that, we we met at a party.
• 32:53
  And
• 32:54
  so the more Cloudy and I got to
• 32:57
  know each other and get involved,
• 33:00
  he had had a construction company too.
• 33:03
  This the son that got killed, her husband.
• 33:06
  And one of this piece of property he had purchased
• 33:11
  was outside of town away, so I can't remember if it was a 100 acres or a 100 hectares.
• 33:17
  A hectare is about two and a half acres,
• 33:22
  but it was a big chunk of land. It was outside of town, and the whole boundary on the thing was, like, elevated. In other words, it's just a unique thing of ground where it rose about seven or eight feet above all the other ground around. It would have been a stunning
• 33:37
  place for a development. It's up next to the mountains or what we call the mountains, a close part, and it was just stunning. And it never came to pass,
• 33:46
  But I sure did think about it, and we discussed it potentially a lot.
• 33:52
  And so I've always had that that in my back of my mind
• 33:56
  of getting like minded people down here. But back then, the situation wasn't bad enough.
• 34:02
  You know, we could talk.
• 34:04
  I don't know of anybody that moved down here
• 34:08
  because of that back then. And like I said, the situation in The States wasn't bad enough. It was
• 34:13
  still, palatable.
• 34:15
  Well, I don't know if it's that way anymore.
• 34:18
  It's getting pretty unpalatable,
• 34:20
  and it's getting to the point where you can see the tea leaves.
• 34:23
  You can read the marijuana leaves. K?
• 34:26
  You lay them down there on the old desk, and, boy, it doesn't point to anything or too much good.
• 34:32
  We've got tremendous
• 34:33
  water problems.
• 34:35
  We've got tremendous for a 50 something percent of the farmers in The US can't get enough fertilizer
• 34:41
  now,
• 34:42
  much less a year from now,
• 34:45
  with the repercussions
• 34:46
  that build every day from this straight to Hormuz crap.
• 34:51
  So you can imagine where the West of the world is. Some of these little islands over there in the Pacific,
• 34:56
  I've I haven't heard anything lately, but I'm sure they got to you can only use electricity two hours a day and all that, and
• 35:04
  it's affecting the whole world.
• 35:07
  And so what has really happened here lately is I think things have changed a bit.
• 35:13
  Things have changed in the, pressures that are being exerted up there in The US.
• 35:19
  Their agenda is going along. Our wake up agenda is going along. We're seeing, all
• 35:25
  kinds of heinous things
• 35:27
  happening.
• 35:28
  This,
• 35:29
  Carmichael
• 35:30
  was his name, the black kid that stabbed the white track guy.
• 35:34
  That riot, now they've got all the blacks just all up over the country. And, I mean, it's just point blank. The kid had a pocket knife in his damn backpack.
• 35:44
  They asked him to leave. He was not even eligible to be at the track meet. This black guy, he was already been kicked out of school on another aggravated
• 35:53
  thing with with some kind of weapons or something involved. So he wasn't even supposed to be there. He intrudes there. He goes over into the tent he wasn't supposed to be at with these with this other team. They keep telling him to leave. He won't leave. Finally, this kid, the twin that, I guess, that he murdered,
• 36:10
  and he's just an outright murderer,
• 36:12
  pushed him pushed him towards out of the tent, and he reached in a backpack, got a a pocket knife, and stabbed him right in the heart. It penetrated the heart of the chambers.
• 36:24
  And the and and and we're getting riots.
• 36:27
  Why? Because there wasn't a black jury. Several of the black jurors that were vored hired excused themselves.
• 36:33
  The others that were asked questions said they they they think he was railroaded.
• 36:38
  So there ended up not being any blacks on the jury. There were some Asians.
• 36:43
  There were some Muslims.
• 36:44
  There were some other,
• 36:46
  quote, unquote, people of color, if you will, or lack of color or whatever the hell kinda,
• 36:51
  index were using. There's a couple other people that weren't white.
• 36:54
  And yet the black community, of course, they get them all fomented up, and they're, hey. It wasn't up there, jury. It was to the guy murdered him. Hell, he ought to hang for god's sakes.
• 37:07
  Don't you think?
• 37:09
  I mean, when are we gonna start using examples
• 37:12
  to use people and they what they've done as an example to others? We gotta get back into that. That's like a meritocracy.
• 37:20
  We gotta get back into that where people are promoted based on their abilities and their accomplishments,
• 37:25
  not on their color or their their didn't earn it score.
• 37:33
  So, anyway, what has happened here
• 37:37
  is a couple of things, I think.
• 37:39
  One thing is we're all getting older.
• 37:43
  I bet one of them I bet nobody would argue with that one.
• 37:49
  We're all getting older.
• 37:51
  Some folks are getting close to that magical age called retirement.
• 37:58
  When you take all those years of hard work you've done and all the diligent savings you've done and you set up your Roth IRA just like they told you,
• 38:06
  and they did all
• 38:08
  of those things, and you're about to pay at the end of your working life and you're ready to retire,
• 38:14
  and, you you gotta
• 38:18
  you may have a pile of money right there.
• 38:21
  Pile of funds. Excuse me.
• 38:26
  Anyway, the first ones were Annie and Clayton, and they
• 38:30
  called back last January
• 38:32
  just cute as they can be.
• 38:35
  And, they call up and we'd
• 38:38
  like to come to Ecuador.
• 38:40
  I go, oh, okay. And they said, well, how about this weekend?
• 38:46
  Gotta love those.
• 38:49
  And, so Annie and Clayton came down, spent a few days here, loved it. I just tremendous,
• 38:55
  enjoyable of having
• 38:57
  my opportunity or side of this to sit down with some of these people that you've touched their lives and have these wonderful face to face conversations. It's just,
• 39:07
  it's pretty damn warm fuzzy. I'm gonna tell you.
• 39:11
  So, anyway, they went back, and they're all enamored and starry eyed and
• 39:16
  liked it a lot.
• 39:19
  And then,
• 39:20
  about the same time, then, Dean and and Suzanne
• 39:24
  and Nancy's little sissy.
• 39:27
  Dean and Suzanne has planned a trip down here. They've been wanting to come down.
• 39:32
  He's about ready to retire.
• 39:35
  Kinda in semi retirement already. Well, they came down, and they they go all over the country down to Cuenca and over in the jungle, and they like it here. And they're going,
• 39:47
  you know, Dean goes, Roger, would you ask your dentist if he'd like to he could use some part time help a couple days a week?
• 39:56
  Well, that's the first indication. So I'm not sure either one of these people. I don't think I'm showing their cards,
• 40:02
  But I don't know if they're gonna come down on a, here and there basis. In other words, especially in Argentina because the summer and the winter
• 40:11
  are much more pronounced as opposites. So a lot of people would do six months in Argentina.
• 40:18
  You go down, you get three months as a visa, ninety days.
• 40:22
  That's very standard.
• 40:23
  Then when you get towards the end of that, if you're very
• 40:27
  diligent, you could do it one or two ways in Argentina.
• 40:30
  But you could go get an extension and pay a little couple of pesos,
• 40:34
  or you could wait till you what? Go ahead and stay through the nine an extra ninety days, and then you leave the country, and then they they catch it on the way out. You have to pay a fine on the way out.
• 40:46
  Either way, you can stay up to a hundred and eighty days,
• 40:49
  and they come down and spend the what's the Northern Hemisphere's winter.
• 40:54
  They come down there and spend the summer.
• 40:56
  And in in Argentina,
• 40:58
  go back and forth and back and forth. Very cool.
• 41:01
  And it's not a lot of, people came down there to stay.
• 41:05
  And that's a it's it's a trap down there.
• 41:08
  Because they come down there. They see all this property. It's dirt cheap. Honey,
• 41:12
  I always wanted to own a winery. Just always. It's been a dream of mine. So they come down with a handful of 100 bills and they buy one, and they never do get the residency stuff straightened
• 41:25
  out.
• 41:26
  And so they end up down there. And now the price of the land, they can't sell their land and get out. One of the reasons is because if you're not an official resident, when you sell the land, Argentina takes 33%
• 41:39
  of the sales price. That's
• 41:41
  a nice bite.
• 41:43
  So they get down there and they get into these situations and they wanna sell, and they can't sell because they're upside down in their property.
• 41:50
  They had everything they had in it, and they can't get out.
• 41:55
  Don't be that. Don't be them.
• 41:58
  Don't be those people.
• 42:01
  K?
• 42:01
  One thing Bob Chapman, the late Bob Chapman, I talked to him on the phone before I made that trip.
• 42:09
  He lived in seven different countries and all kinds of stuff. He told me a couple of things I thought were very valuable. I'm gonna relate them to you. I've mentioned them on here occasionally.
• 42:19
  If you do decide to go somewhere,
• 42:22
  do not
• 42:23
  buy
• 42:24
  anything
• 42:27
  with a except a minimum of two years you've been there.
• 42:32
  Maybe even longer.
• 42:33
  Don't buy don't go down there like these gringos come down to Argentina waving handfuls, $100 bills,
• 42:40
  and they see you coming, and they they they got scams. They're working on you for you every hit town.
• 42:47
  And they will scam you at every dime you've got if you let them.
• 42:51
  Be careful. Caveat, immature. Let the buyer
• 42:55
  beware.
• 42:59
  So
• 43:00
  then
• 43:02
  a friend of mine from Atlanta who I've known for years, one of the early gals that went through this process before I ever had a radio show or anything else.
• 43:10
  I had a neighbor
• 43:12
  that when he was single had dated her roommate. And so he in Atlanta met her and said she's a good gal, all this. And so she was very interested in what I'd been Frank and I used to get up every morning and walk, and I'd tell him all this stuff. And and and so he absorbed it, and he was telling them, and she got interested. So he put us together. And so, Debbie, I you wouldn't believe how how many hours I'd spend with her on the phone on this.
• 43:37
  I mean,
• 43:39
  a lot.
• 43:40
  So, anyway, Debbie, she's been threatening to come down to South America for
• 43:45
  almost the whole time I've been down here. Well, what's it like in Argentina,
• 43:49
  Roger? You know?
• 43:51
  And, so she calls up and goes,
• 43:54
  I'm moving to Ecuador.
• 43:58
  Wow.
• 43:59
  Okay. Well, I guess you're all the other times you threatened,
• 44:03
  and now you're gonna do it. Well, looks like Debbie's gonna do it.
• 44:08
  And then
• 44:11
  just a couple of weeks ago, our own little wallflower, sweet little wallflower Julie comes on the show one day, says, I'm moving.
• 44:21
  So all of a sudden, the situation has changed where it's gotten much more acute up there as these pressures that they've been gently
• 44:29
  asserting on us for a long time. Now they're getting new. We're getting down to gelding time at the Okay Corral, if you don't know.
• 44:38
  And so a lot of you are reacting to that. Some of you are moving retirement age, getting older into the position where you could leave anyway.
• 44:46
  Everybody's
• 44:47
  interested in your retirement life, how quality of life you're gonna live. That means how much cash flow do you have, and one of the advantageous
• 44:55
  parts about Ecuador is they're on the dollar.
• 44:58
  And, it goes a long way because Ecuador doesn't have the printing press.
• 45:03
  So if they need a few more dollars circulating, they just can't go, hey. But
• 45:08
  crank up the old Bond house over there. They can't do that.
• 45:12
  They gotta go to the shills and borrow it. Now if you know who these creeps are, we know who they are pretty good. Do you wanna go borrow a whole bunch of stuff from them? I don't think you do.
• 45:24
  Well, neither does Ecuador.
• 45:26
  That's the reason we got if I tell you, if you're gonna come down here and visit,
• 45:30
  if you can't if you don't bring a change purse, I'll take you someplace and show you where you can buy one for a dollar. Because
• 45:40
  they have to borrow the circulating
• 45:43
  fiat currency,
• 45:46
  coins,
• 45:47
  unlike the currency,
• 45:50
  are not required
• 45:51
  to be loaned into circulation.
• 45:54
  In other words, if somebody takes out a loan, they put the circulating Federal Reserve notes in the currency.
• 46:00
  But
• 46:01
  if they just wanted to, put money into the circulation,
• 46:06
  they would use coins.
• 46:09
  And they can get coins. When I first got down here, it was all that Susquehanna
• 46:13
  dollar.
• 46:13
  I said, well, you you wonder about the old Susquehanna dollar that you don't see in The US anymore? You wonder why it's not there? Because all of them are down here.
• 46:22
  Right?
• 46:23
  And this is a good monetary rule. I'm sure some of you don't know. Some of you have heard us go over this before.
• 46:31
  Currency is always, always loaned into circulation with a promissory note.
• 46:36
  Coins
• 46:37
  are always
• 46:38
  spent
• 46:39
  into circulation with no interest attached.
• 46:43
  So, naturally, if you're Ecuador, you're gonna be putting coins into circulation. You're not borrowing from the international
• 46:50
  bastards, and you're not getting their usurice
• 46:53
  amounts put on you. So, therefore,
• 46:56
  there's an awful lot of coins.
• 46:58
  And, therefore, because of the economy and stuff, it makes it real easy
• 47:03
  to just charge a dollar.
• 47:05
  So when I was I've told you when I go downtown in our little town here, which I like,
• 47:12
  They got all kinds of vendors and Indians and the Indian women in their in their native garb, real colorful,
• 47:18
  and all that. They've got their skirts on and their shawl wrapped and their little hat. They've all got a little hat,
• 47:25
  and and they're out all over the streets with the bags.
• 47:31
  Bolsitas
• 47:31
  is the little bags is the Spanish word, but those kind of bags, some are plastic. Some of them are the the weave
• 47:39
  kind of plastic, but
• 47:41
  you go up and go. They got them hanging on racks. They got some racks out there. Think
• 47:46
  eight eight or 10 tomatoes for a dollar.
• 47:50
  Alright. Eight eight or 10 onions for a dollar.
• 47:54
  It's all negotiable too, by the way.
• 47:58
  I mentioned the other day I got four papayas for a dollar.
• 48:02
  Medium size, not the big ones. Boy, papayas are good. I've never had them too much earlier in life.
• 48:09
  But they just got all these beans and things they grow and shell and all all kinds of stuff. You just go dollar dollar dollar dollar. If you were single and wanted to live close to downtown and you just wanted to eat like that, man, you can eat cheap. K. I mean, cheap. There's people down there that don't even have an air condition I mean, a refrigerator because they just go down on the street and get what they're gonna eat
• 48:32
  every day and bring it back and cook it and eat it.
• 48:37
  So, anyway, all of a sudden, a number of you are seem to be interested in
• 48:42
  leaving the country, which I totally understand.
• 48:46
  K?
• 48:47
  And, so I just wanted to say even though we might not have a contiguous land type community,
• 48:55
  we I think most people would like this area. Some of you may wanna live out of town or whatever, but I think it's going to build up where we will have
• 49:05
  a small group of our radio ranch and ranchers and ranchettes,
• 49:10
  living down here and kinda fulfill my dream.
• 49:14
  Which I had for a long time. It never materialized. I said, well, it must have been a pipe dream.
• 49:20
  So I went and took another hit. No. I just I take that back. I thought it might have been a pipe dream, so,
• 49:25
  I just kinda let it drift away and having to deal with these gringos down here that
• 49:31
  you know, I mean, here's an example. What started all this crap with me was this Georgia redneck.
• 49:38
  Been in construction all his life
• 49:42
  and said something, and I had mentioned the the Jews controlling it, and he's the one. Why why do you always blame everything on the Jews controlling everything?
• 49:53
  Well, well, you know, and I didn't think of it quickly enough. He got up and stormed out and started all this crap. I wanna say, Robert, you say, how old are you? 63, 64?
• 50:02
  You never heard of the freaking Rothschilds?
• 50:06
  And you wanna point a finger at me?
• 50:09
  Well, that's the kind of people I was over there having lunch with and gathering with. Well, if you're that damn ignorant, I don't wanna be around you. Functionally illiterate,
• 50:17
  much better.
• 50:19
  So, anyway, that's kinda what happened. We may have a group of our own folks down here. We'll have our own damn lunch. Okay?
• 50:25
  And we'll have a bunch of people that are truth seekers that know what the game is, know how it's being played,
• 50:30
  have chosen to remove themselves from it, and choose to want to,
• 50:36
  intermingle with people of the same because then we can talk about things,
• 50:41
  and you're not dealing with these whackers.
• 50:43
  Why you say the Jews ever control everything?
• 50:46
  I don't have to deal with that. I don't have to go back and educate somebody that sat functionally illiterate.
• 50:53
  I don't have to go back and educate them so they can understand what I was trying to get across to them.
• 50:59
  So, hopefully, that's gonna transpire.
• 51:01
  I'm I'm I'm real encouraged. I thought a lot about it over the weekend.
• 51:06
  I certainly did.
• 51:09
  And some of you are hitting brick walls on this,
• 51:14
  aren't you?
• 51:16
  Some of you are running into brick walls on this realization,
• 51:19
  aren't you?
• 51:23
  Yeah. Well, I guarantee you some of you are. K.
• 51:28
  So I just wanna put that out there. It's been a dream of mine since I've been down here. It looks through a series of events.
• 51:34
  Circumstances
• 51:35
  are changing,
• 51:36
  getting more acute,
• 51:38
  that, some of you may wanna take advantage on that. It's like I was telling Debbie, you know, and I was shocked at Debbie. She's been talk talking about moving down here so long. Well, she's an in she sells insurance.
• 51:50
  She's still out there working, still selling insurance.
• 51:53
  And she says, Roger, gotta pay my bills.
• 51:58
  Well, okay, Debbie. You're
• 52:00
  one up on a lot of people who can or don't want to.
• 52:06
  So I said, Debbie, how much do you get from, Social Security?
• 52:13
  She goes,
• 52:15
  $2,200.
• 52:18
  Now if Debbie would've checked I've been here nine years now.
• 52:22
  Debbie would've checked in to just a little bit asking a few questions like,
• 52:28
  what's the cost of living down there?
• 52:31
  And things like that?
• 52:34
  She would have probably been down here three, four years ago because she could totally retired, wouldn't have to be running the insurance jungle.
• 52:41
  Not only are you in the rat race. You remember, if even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
• 52:48
  She's still in the rat race, still having to go out there, driving, fighting that damn Atlanta traffic, doing all this stuff with with,
• 52:56
  with all of her insurance claims. She didn't have to. She could've retired and live like a queen
• 53:01
  the minute she became eligible for that amount of Social Security. Now that doesn't sound like much in The US,
• 53:08
  and you probably couldn't go too far on that amount in The US
• 53:12
  as to your comfort level. Be right.
• 53:15
  Yeah. But I'm gonna tell you one thing. If you got that kind of of of wherewithal,
• 53:20
  you can live like a king or a queen down here. Is that Ed?
• 53:24
  Unknown: Yes. This is Ed. How'd you know?
• 53:27
  Unknown: Ed, I know everything. Come on.
• 53:31
  Unknown: It's kinda fun that you know my voice now. I thank you for that. Yeah. Yeah. You you ever hear a you ever security.
• 53:38
  Unknown: Yeah. Did you ever hear a brother Dave Gardner, Ed? I'm sure you haven't. You're a Michigan guy. He was a southern politician.
• 53:45
  I mean, not to say. He was a southern comedian years ago when he put everything on records.
• 53:50
  And he's up in front of some audience. He's talking to him, and somebody asked him a question like you do with me.
• 53:57
  And Okay. And and brother Dave says, well, I don't know.
• 54:02
  And the guy goes, but I thought you knew everything. And he says, I do know everything, but I don't know that.
• 54:11
  His name is brother Dave. Way I am with you. That's the way I Dave Gardner was his name. Yeah.
• 54:17
  Unknown: Oh, okay.
• 54:18
  Unknown: Anyway, hi, Ed. How are doing? Have a good weekend.
• 54:21
  Unknown: Not too bad. Yeah. You were talking about Social Security, and, you know, I've been kinda messing around with that because I I
• 54:27
  just turned 65.
• 54:30
  I'm There's a train coming through.
• 54:32
  Sure. It is. Sign up for Medicare.
• 54:35
  So Okay. So I go into the Medicare office on
• 54:40
  day was that?
• 54:41
  Monday.
• 54:43
  Last Monday, so a week ago.
• 54:45
  And,
• 54:46
  you know, I'm I'm getting all prepared because, you know, I'm thinking, oh, they're gonna want me to sign something saying I'm a citizen of The United States and whatnot. So
• 54:55
  I sent a notice back in
• 54:58
  in March,
• 55:00
  and I
• 55:02
  sorry about the train.
• 55:04
  Unknown: Ed, have you ever seen my cousin
• 55:06
  Ed, hold the hold the story. We'll get back to another. Have you ever seen the movie My Cousin Vinny?
• 55:13
  Unknown: No.
• 55:15
  Unknown: Well, I'm sorry you haven't because that train in the background reminded me of it.
• 55:22
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Anyway, tell me something. Really
• 55:26
  loud there.
• 55:27
  And I'm gonna give Anyway
• 55:29
  Unknown: I'm a give you a suggestion. Would you like to have a little levity in your life for a few minutes?
• 55:33
  Sure.
• 55:34
  Yeah. Go find
• 55:36
  my cousin Vinny
• 55:38
  Unknown: and watch it. If you've never seen it, go find my cousin Vinny. I'm kind of a movie guy, so I'll have to check it out.
• 55:44
  Unknown: You've never seen that? You'd be rolling around on the floor holding your stomach laughing. It's hilarious. Okay. I like comedies.
• 55:51
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:52
  Oh, boy. It's Hey, Roger. May I Go ahead. We're No. Hold on a second. I'm talking to Roger about Social Security.
• 55:58
  Yeah. We're talking about notice wanna get this out if you can hang on a sec. Okay.
• 56:02
  Alright. Go ahead, Ed. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Keep So so, anyway, so so I go into the Social Security office last Monday,
• 56:10
  and I'm like, you know, I'm prepared to sign something and, you know, try to defend myself or whatever. Bite the bureaucracy.
• 56:15
  Unknown: He
• 56:17
  got his boxing gloves on. So I so
• 56:20
  Unknown: I find out
• 56:22
  there's nothing to sign.
• 56:25
  You know, I didn't need to sign anything. They just asked to see my ID. I gave my passport.
• 56:32
  And I happen to be a dash o nine, so I'm not a citizen in The United States right on the face of that.
• 56:38
  But then
• 56:39
  they ask you to certify that you are, so then they send you paperwork. So by Friday, got paperwork from them.
• 56:47
  And the paperwork says, my name is Edward Zandy in all caps. Anyway,
• 56:52
  whatever.
• 56:52
  My birthday,
• 56:54
  I am a citizen of The United States.
• 56:56
  I want to enroll in Part B of Medicare.
• 56:59
  Then on the backside of that first page, it says,
• 57:03
  I know that anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement or representation
• 57:08
  of material fact in an application for
• 57:12
  use in determining a right to payment under Social Security Act commits a crime punishable under federal law
• 57:19
  by fine, imprisonment or both.
• 57:23
  Of course, none of that's discussed in the conversation I had at the Social Security office.
• 57:30
  But anyway,
• 57:31
  and then they go on and there's a penalty of perjury on this. But then the thing that caught me, Raj, and something I learned from you
• 57:39
  is if you disagree with any of your statements, you should contact us within ten days after the date of this notice to let us know.
• 57:47
  Yeah. And I thought, that's a confirmatory
• 57:51
  writing,
• 57:53
  which I learned about from you and John.
• 57:56
  Unknown: Right? Well, okay. Okay.
• 57:58
  Unknown: So I'm thinking what they're doing is they're acting like everything's cool. Oh, we're easy peasy.
• 58:05
  Trouble.
• 58:06
  Unknown: Go ahead. You you got such a defensive mindset.
• 58:10
  None of these people Oh, I am. Any of this shit. I do. Okay? They don't know shit. Now let me tell you a story.
• 58:16
  When I opened up mine, I didn't wait till I was 65 like you. I I was a hell bent to do it at 62.
• 58:23
  I was in Argentina,
• 58:25
  and I was having to sell gold to live,
• 58:27
  and I don't like doing that. Okay?
• 58:30
  And so I reached 62,
• 58:32
  and then I I'm gonna open up my account. You gotta owe like you're doing here, you gotta open up your account.
• 58:38
  And so, I go through that. Well, if you're out of the country, you gotta do it through an embassy.
• 58:44
  So I go ahead and contact the embassy, and I go through all the stuff.
• 58:49
  And I sent them, basically, as I was doing this, my five page affidavit.
• 58:54
  From the very start, they never said a word, Ed. If you go, anybody can sign up for Social Security, I believe,
• 59:01
  at any country of the world, and so there is no stigma on you're a citizen of The United States here.
• 59:08
  And
• 59:09
  Right. So it's never been a big deal, and I I guess they can deal with anybody. So that's what I was gonna say. And, again, just like you with the gun deal, you're reading all this stuff into what they're doing. They don't know what we're doing here.
• 59:23
  Unknown: Right.
• 59:25
  So it's just like they're always trying to get you to say,
• 59:29
  I'm a citizen of The United States. Right?
• 59:32
  Unknown: Okay. Well, they could do that. And all of their paperwork.
• 59:36
  That's all they know. The other
• 59:38
  yeah.
• 59:41
  Unknown: You know, so they act like you gotta be one to collect it, and I don't I don't
• 59:47
  Unknown: anyway. But that's Well, technically there. I mean, I you know, what? Oh, no. No. No. It's some of these technical things. Technically,
• 59:54
  you are a capital c citizen
• 59:57
  of The United States Of America. Remember a few minutes ago when I told you about the announcement of Paul?
• 1:00:02
  Here it is. Oh,
• 1:00:05
  I'll hang on and Not a minute. Well can do it. We'll be back in a minute. There's some classical music.
• 1:00:10
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:01:00
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• 1:01:07
  Thank you so much for your patience.
• 1:01:13
  Unknown: A little classical.
• 1:01:21
  Oh, Paul, that's a nice selection.
• 1:01:27
  Here we go. I think he's building to a crescendo.
• 1:01:34
  Ah, there it is.
• 1:01:41
  Alright. How long do we run now? Are there tones?
• 1:01:45
  Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  I expect that. The program, Ed. Did you able to stick through all of that?
• 1:01:56
  Unknown: Yeah. I did. It's pretty good.
• 1:01:59
  On
• 1:02:00
  Friday,
• 1:02:01
  I called the Social Security office. It's an amazingly
• 1:02:04
  difficult process to get somebody on the phone,
• 1:02:07
  but I did.
• 1:02:09
  They said,
• 1:02:10
  I sent you guys a notice in March.
• 1:02:14
  I'd like a certified copy of that.
• 1:02:18
  And the,
• 1:02:19
  oh, sure, that's no problem, no big deal. Well about twenty, thirty minutes later he was having trouble. He said, oh, our system is broken.
• 1:02:28
  I can't do that.
• 1:02:30
  And I said, well, I got to get going so
• 1:02:33
  supposedly he's mailing me the paperwork
• 1:02:36
  to do that, you know, paper wise.
• 1:02:39
  But but the when I went into the Social Security office, I said, do you guy you know, do you can you pull up that affidavit I sent you in in March?
• 1:02:48
  Oh, no. I can't see anything like that. So it's like it's like they take it.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah. You know, I know that I've, you know, I've got a receipt of delivery and stuff, but they won't act you know, they didn't respond to it. Yeah. They won't even acknowledge they got it. You know, I'm Raj, I'm not complaining. I'm not make you know, want you to solve my problem here. I'm just telling you how Oh, there you
• 1:03:11
  You know?
• 1:03:13
  Unknown: I
• 1:03:14
  can't solve bureaucratic
• 1:03:16
  Unknown: ease problems. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're they're absolute weasels. I mean, you know, they won't I You know, they can't this. Oh, that's broke. You know? Weasels, man. I'm telling you.
• 1:03:27
  Unknown: Don't you dare touch my retirement. Don't
• 1:03:30
  you mess with my benefits, you damn ringer.
• 1:03:35
  Unknown: Anyhow
• 1:03:36
  yeah. That's all I got so far today.
• 1:03:38
  Unknown: Well, you just lay and if I could get and I think you're getting there, Ed. I feel like you're getting there. You're gonna get to a point where you're not questioning these people. You're gonna go in and say, this is me, and this is what I need.
• 1:03:53
  And Right. Right. And and and you'll it'll come. It'll come. And even if they ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? And you said yes,
• 1:04:02
  that would not override your affidavit.
• 1:04:05
  Oh, I I I think I'm Because, technically, let's get back to the
• 1:04:10
  technicalities
• 1:04:11
  of this and the fine points, if you will.
• 1:04:14
  Go back to Plessy versus Ferguson in 1894
• 1:04:18
  and separate but equal versus
• 1:04:20
  Brown versus Boards of Education, equal in the classroom, equal in the society
• 1:04:24
  where they overcame,
• 1:04:26
  overturned
• 1:04:27
  the evil Plessy.
• 1:04:29
  I've heard congressmen go, they even overturned
• 1:04:32
  the evil Plessy versus Ferguson.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah. It was so evil that it distinguished between your political status.
• 1:04:41
  So
• 1:04:43
  so now
• 1:04:44
  that there's only one and they come back and tell us that a citizen of The United States is is a US national
• 1:04:52
  in places,
• 1:04:54
  so then they're the same. So if you are a citizen of The United States, then you really are a citizen of The United States Of America. You've differentiated
• 1:05:03
  it. You've done it to the person you have to differentiate it with, the secretary of state. Right. And and one little flew up. What if the bureaucrat checked it wrong? They can't hold you and take away your citizenship.
• 1:05:16
  So I I understand everybody's thinking on this because I I was the same damn way. What what landmine can I step on that's gonna screw this up?
• 1:05:26
  And you can if you've got the affidavit in. I don't believe you can screw that up, and you've got to overcome that with another one changing the status,
• 1:05:35
  and we learned about that
• 1:05:37
  from Efrahim
• 1:05:38
  versus,
• 1:05:39
  Rusk.
• 1:05:40
  Now we heard the other day, Ed. Now this is interesting. I was thinking about it over the weekend, so I'm glad you got me here,
• 1:05:48
  today.
• 1:05:49
  We heard over the, last week or week before last that it was Efrahim
• 1:05:53
  v Rusk,
• 1:05:55
  the nineteen sixty six or sixty eight Supreme Court case
• 1:05:59
  that opened up the door for dual citizenships.
• 1:06:04
  Somebody read us that the other day, and I would like for us to explore that a little bit and figure out exactly how Afrim did
• 1:06:14
  open up dual citizenship
• 1:06:17
  channels.
• 1:06:18
  You know? So some of the people may not remember this one. It's something like one of our listeners
• 1:06:24
  up in Dallas, Georgia brought to us. So have you ever heard of this case? I had
• 1:06:29
  not.
• 1:06:30
  Rusk,
• 1:06:32
  the the defendant
• 1:06:34
  in this example was secretary of state Rusk.
• 1:06:38
  He's from Georgia, Dean Rusk. Yep.
• 1:06:41
  And,
• 1:06:42
  so there
• 1:06:44
  had been a ruling
• 1:06:45
  that in the late fifties by the same supreme court
• 1:06:49
  that if someone,
• 1:06:52
  broke a law of this regulation on voting in foreign elections that they could take away your citizenship.
• 1:06:58
  And there was a ruling at the Supreme Court on that. He brought it in a few about eight years later, ten years later, and challenged that again. This is how you have to challenge a supreme court previous ruling.
• 1:07:09
  K? Because you don't have anybody to appeal it from from them,
• 1:07:13
  so you gotta go back and start and bring the issue up again, take it all the way to the top. Well, that's what happened. That's what Efraim did.
• 1:07:20
  A f r o y I m, if you wanna look it up, a f r o y I m, Efrahim.
• 1:07:27
  And Efrahim
• 1:07:29
  was a Hungarian Jew.
• 1:07:32
  He'd immigrated to The US, so therefore voluntarily,
• 1:07:36
  he came over to The US. He wanted those fourteenth amendment rights,
• 1:07:39
  citizen of The United States, went through the process,
• 1:07:42
  got him happy as a as a
• 1:07:47
  a tick on a bagel. K?
• 1:07:49
  And so then they caught him, then they caught him voting in an Israeli election.
• 1:07:55
  So this is where this dual citizenship thing had to come from if that statement was correct that it came from this decision or this opinion in this case.
• 1:08:05
  And so it overturned
• 1:08:07
  the previous
• 1:08:08
  case in 1958.
• 1:08:10
  Don't remember the style of it, but it overturned it.
• 1:08:13
  And they said,
• 1:08:15
  no.
• 1:08:17
  You can't take Ephraim's
• 1:08:19
  citizenship away.
• 1:08:20
  I've never read the case. I don't know that they stated. I doubt if they do.
• 1:08:26
  Anywhere in that decision
• 1:08:28
  that the reason you can't take Efrahim's
• 1:08:31
  rights away
• 1:08:32
  is because they gotta be voluntary. He volunteered into them. They can't come take them away.
• 1:08:37
  Just because he broke one, they're silly little rules.
• 1:08:42
  Unknown: It Rusk, r u s k?
• 1:08:45
  Unknown: Ed, what?
• 1:08:47
  Unknown: It was it Efrahim versus Rusk, r u s k?
• 1:08:51
  Correct. Dean Rusk, secretary of state of Georgia. Okay. Gotcha.
• 1:08:55
  Unknown: And the reason, he's the defendant.
• 1:08:58
  Why is Alden, Ed? Why is he the defendant?
• 1:09:01
  Because he's got ultimate authority on all matters, considering citizenship.
• 1:09:06
  So that's who they have drug in as a defendant.
• 1:09:10
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:09:12
  Okay. So now Few more cases like that.
• 1:09:15
  Oh, I I had one more comment. What on this on this paper they they sent me where all you know, I made all these statements.
• 1:09:23
  One of the statements that they wrote down here,
• 1:09:26
  I do not have a bank account.
• 1:09:30
  She never asked me anything about that.
• 1:09:33
  You know, they never asked for my bank account information or whatever. Okay. They just write on this piece of paper, I do not have a bank account.
• 1:09:42
  Unknown: Oh, so, and you're asking you're
• 1:09:44
  asking why they didn't ask you. Are you a national
• 1:09:48
  mean, you know, the that's why I said this bureaucratic ease. You get into those. That maze, you have no idea what those people are doing.
• 1:09:55
  So most of them, I think, do the right thing.
• 1:10:00
  Unknown: Well, then they throw in the penalty of perjury stuff on the second page, and it's like, come on, you guys. You know? And, anyway so that I just wanted to kinda call in to let you guys know what
• 1:10:11
  Unknown: time you're characters, you know. Dealing with a federal
• 1:10:15
  bureaucracy or state when you can expect that kind of stuff. If you get anything different, it'll be a blessing.
• 1:10:22
  Come in. Okay. So oh, there's a comment. Alright. Well I knew I'd get one. Thank you, Ed. Alright, buddy. We'll go back to the break job. Yes, Paul. Quickly for Ed.
• 1:10:34
  Unknown: You know why they they made the presumption that she didn't have a bank account?
• 1:10:40
  Unknown: No. I'd like to know.
• 1:10:42
  Unknown: Okay. It was very easy.
• 1:10:45
  If you don't have a bank account, they issue you a debit card.
• 1:10:48
  And that debit card is backed by either Visa or Mastercard,
• 1:10:53
  and it's their own private system. And every time you use that card to get your money, the government gets a kickback from it.
• 1:10:59
  So it's a revenue stream.
• 1:11:02
  Okay. If if they give you direct deposit, that money's gone, and they never see it again.
• 1:11:09
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:11:11
  It's on their pension payment. That's interesting. I,
• 1:11:13
  now this is Medicare,
• 1:11:15
  Paul.
• 1:11:16
  So I'm gotta, you know, I've gotta pay them quarterly.
• 1:11:19
  You know?
• 1:11:21
  Right. Anyway.
• 1:11:23
  Unknown: But how would you I opted out of office. They didn't answer that, but they write it down like it's fact. You know? I opted out all that crap. I don't want any I don't wanna pay them anything. I don't want anything to do with them. Send me my little check that I earned, my money, and I'll just be totally happy. Shine it on, baby. Shine it on.
• 1:11:43
  Okay. Anybody else have anything for Ed or Paul or me? Yeah. There you go. Any other comments, questions, observations,
• 1:11:50
  analysis?
• 1:11:54
  Wow.
• 1:11:55
  Roger. Has
• 1:11:57
  has Paul's kitty got your tongue?
• 1:12:00
  Yes. Hey, Larry.
• 1:12:03
  Unknown: Hey. How are you? I was just just curious what age
• 1:12:08
  Ed retired at.
• 1:12:10
  Unless he doesn't wanna have He's
• 1:12:13
  Unknown: still working, man.
• 1:12:15
  Unknown: Well, I mean I mean, as far as the Social Security is concerned.
• 1:12:20
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm not on Social Security.
• 1:12:24
  Unknown: Yeah. If you did, you'd have to stop working because you earned too much. Repairing cars are gonna take away what they're supposed to give you with SS. Maybe.
• 1:12:33
  Unknown: I think after 67
• 1:12:35
  for me, then they stop messing around with, you know, taking part of your money back because then I'll be full retirement age for my year of birth. Okay.
• 1:12:45
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, I can tell you this is kinda interesting because I was doing it at 62 because of my circumstances.
• 1:12:51
  And so I I got the girl on the phone,
• 1:12:55
  and she goes, of course, they're always trying to hover over that fund. You know? And
• 1:13:01
  she goes, well, our our our
• 1:13:03
  don't you wanna wait till you're 65? You'll get more.
• 1:13:08
  And so I very astutely said,
• 1:13:11
  how much more?
• 1:13:15
  He did a little figure and said, $30.30 dollars.
• 1:13:18
  So if I'd have waited till I was 65, I'd have gotten $30 a month more. I said, no. Thank you, ma'am. I'll take it right now. Thank you very much.
• 1:13:26
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Unknown: Yeah. And grateful for it, and I was not gonna enroll in it. I always thought it was their money. My friend David Strait, the good David Strait,
• 1:13:38
  said, Roger, that's your money, man. You paid that in. You know? And we'd have discussions over it, and I finally decided to do it. And I've been grateful
• 1:13:46
  ever since. I've been getting it fifteen years now, and it's, for the most part, pretty pretty regular, pretty dependable.
• 1:13:54
  So, anyway, I'm grateful for it. I wouldn't have been or thought that or said that a number of years ago, but I've changed my tune.
• 1:14:04
  Unknown: Johnny. Roger.
• 1:14:05
  Unknown: Yes. Okay. Well, I think there's a Larry oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, there's another three of you. You weren't first.
• 1:14:12
  Rick was first, Larry was second, and I think that's Dave is third. Rick?
• 1:14:17
  Unknown: Yeah. Just to support Larry, you can work and draw Social Security at the same time. You just have to watch what you declare.
• 1:14:24
  Okay? If you work in cash,
• 1:14:27
  Unknown: and don't declare it, you know, you can make as much as you want. Well, I'll bet this car mechanic here could do some deals in cash. I'd be betting you.
• 1:14:37
  In the white or in the black, Ed, that's what they call it down here. Are you working in the black or are you working in the white? In other words, are you telling them what you make and giving them all what they should and helping your employees of their retirement and all that? That's white.
• 1:14:53
  You're in the black. Going way. And it's all cash, and and Brent Brent Bachman might come and enforce it if you give us any crap. I wouldn't want that. Wish that on anybody.
• 1:15:05
  Okay. I think Larry was second. Dave was next. Did we get you there, Larry? I mean, Ed? Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  Unknown: But That was Rick. That was
• 1:15:16
  This is Larry now.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah. You got me off. Yeah. Rick, I am aware of I am aware of the rules with Social Security,
• 1:15:23
  but
• 1:15:24
  I was I must have misheard
• 1:15:28
  Ed. I thought he was applying to get his Social security.
• 1:15:31
  Unknown: No. No. No. Medicare. Oh,
• 1:15:34
  Unknown: okay. Is that what it was? Yes. Okay. Yep. So, Ed, you you plan on collecting when you're at 67?
• 1:15:42
  Unknown: I I don't know. You know, I'm not sure.
• 1:15:45
  Unknown: Okay. Well, anyway, this is just an FYI,
• 1:15:48
  and I learned about this
• 1:15:50
  a number of years ago. And the Social Security Administration
• 1:15:54
  will not advertise this. It's like a little secret
• 1:15:58
  that they keep to themselves,
• 1:16:00
  and you'll see for obvious reasons why once I explain it.
• 1:16:05
  But I I remember making a delivery to this old timer
• 1:16:10
  who was working at a chemical dock
• 1:16:13
  for like twenty years,
• 1:16:15
  and he would unload the chemicals like drums. We used to deliver drums
• 1:16:19
  of chemicals to this place. It was an open dock
• 1:16:23
  and a very nice individual.
• 1:16:26
  And I remember the one day I was
• 1:16:28
  making a delivery there and I said, hey, how are you doing? And we were just talking for a few minutes. And he says, yeah, I'm getting ready to retire. I'm going to start collecting my social security
• 1:16:37
  and I'm heading on down to get my lump sum payment.
• 1:16:40
  And I said, what do you mean your lump sum payment? He said, well, he said, I never knew about it until
• 1:16:47
  I talked to a friend of mine.
• 1:16:49
  And so he was he he learned that you could go down to the Social Security office, and when you're applying to get your Social Security money, you know, your monthly checks,
• 1:17:00
  you can actually get a you can you can apply
• 1:17:03
  to get a lump sum,
• 1:17:05
  but you have to be beyond the age of 62 as far as
• 1:17:09
  paying into the system.
• 1:17:12
  So
• 1:17:13
  he
• 1:17:15
  learned about that and he told me he was going to get a good amount of money.
• 1:17:19
  And so I I went and investigated that,
• 1:17:22
  and I mentioned it to my my father-in-law because he was he was getting ready to retire
• 1:17:29
  at 70 years of age.
• 1:17:31
  And I said, listen, dad,
• 1:17:34
  why don't you look into this when you guys go down to the Social Security office because this is unbelievable.
• 1:17:40
  I said, you could get a lump sum amount and still get your monthly paychecks.
• 1:17:44
  So they go down there and
• 1:17:47
  they had just I think they just started to collect it, so they were still within the window
• 1:17:52
  of
• 1:17:54
  of,
• 1:17:55
  you know, being able to get the lump sum.
• 1:17:58
  And
• 1:17:59
  no. No. I'm mixing that up with something. But they went down to the Social Security office and they applied for it. And my mother-in-law told me they were both sitting there at the desk with the
• 1:18:11
  with the the lady,
• 1:18:13
  and and my mother-in-law said, look. We would like to get a lump sum payment.
• 1:18:19
  And the lady didn't didn't even blink. She didn't say nothing. She just said, And she starts typing things out on the computer.
• 1:18:28
  And and so they they actually got a pay check
• 1:18:33
  from the Social Security Administration for
• 1:18:36
  just under $20,000,
• 1:18:39
  and it only lowered their monthly payout by about $80 a month.
• 1:18:44
  And they were just floored that that was actually available.
• 1:18:48
  And so that's something you might want to look into if you delay
• 1:18:53
  taking your benefits,
• 1:18:54
  you know,
• 1:18:56
  past the age of 62.
• 1:18:59
  That's all I got. Okay.
• 1:19:01
  Unknown: Wow. So,
• 1:19:03
  Unknown: Larry, Larry,
• 1:19:05
  so supposedly,
• 1:19:06
  according to this, you can go in when you're opening your account
• 1:19:11
  to withdraw.
• 1:19:13
  You can go in and say, I want partial lump sum, and you get part of it in a lump sum, and it only barely affects your payment.
• 1:19:22
  Is that what I got out of that? Exactly.
• 1:19:25
  Unknown: So like I said, my mother and father-in-law went in there. My my father-in-law was
• 1:19:30
  was gonna collect that 70 when
• 1:19:32
  he was 70.
• 1:19:34
  And so he he paid over,
• 1:19:36
  you know, eight years over the 62 mark. If you just go in there and try to get a lump
• 1:19:42
  sum
• 1:19:43
  at 62,
• 1:19:44
  it won't work because
• 1:19:46
  you have to kind of I don't know if this is the right word, preaccumulate
• 1:19:52
  the money because I think what they're doing is they're paying you for so many months
• 1:20:00
  beyond the age of 62,
• 1:20:03
  and they're giving that to you in the form of a lump sum. And then they just they do the math, and then they subtract that from,
• 1:20:10
  you know, what you're
• 1:20:12
  you know, because you're taking a chunk of money out of whatever that chunk of money is that it all adds up to be. And then they're doing the math, and it's just lowering your payments a little bit.
• 1:20:22
  And, yeah, this this is real. I I had a conversation with them with my mother and father-in-law, and they did get, like, a little less than $20,000,
• 1:20:32
  and it only
• 1:20:33
  affected their monthly payout
• 1:20:36
  by a minimal amount, so they took it.
• 1:20:39
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:20:40
  Liz, on that on that,
• 1:20:42
  bit of knowledge, I'm just going to throw it out to the audience.
• 1:20:46
  Any of you that are about to go in, possibly go in and apply and open your Social Security account, put
• 1:20:52
  this in your back pocket and mention it to them, see if that's available
• 1:20:56
  to you.
• 1:20:58
  At least we'll learn more about it. I've heard people say they get lump sum payments out of the SS,
• 1:21:04
  but I've never seen that verified before what you just told us today, Larry.
• 1:21:10
  So, anyway, food food for thought. Cool.
• 1:21:13
  Yep. Alright. Thank you, Larry.
• 1:21:16
  Got your email, by the way,
• 1:21:18
  and,
• 1:21:19
  we'll reply here later.
• 1:21:23
  Dave.
• 1:21:26
  Wasn't it Dave? Third guy there. Wasn't it Dave?
• 1:21:33
  Whoever was trying to say something you don't wanna say anymore, did you get your question answered? You go away? Who me? Paul kicked you out. What what happened? Who me?
• 1:21:43
  Well, I don't I guess. Were you were you trying to say something?
• 1:21:47
  Unknown: Were you trying to wish me a happy birthday or something?
• 1:21:50
  Unknown: No, man. I thought you were in that covey of people that were trying to say something at the same time. I've gotta be the host here that differentiates
• 1:21:57
  you to be perfectly fair
• 1:22:00
  and be able to put you in line the word the order you were in. I thought that was you as the third person. Was I correct, or was I
• 1:22:08
  just imagining?
• 1:22:09
  Unknown: Well, I you were imagining things, but you must have had my birthday on your mind, and you you chummed me up to wish me a happy birthday.
• 1:22:18
  Unknown: Well, I don't know. I didn't know it was your birthday. I would certainly say.
• 1:22:25
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:22:26
  gracias.
• 1:22:27
  Gracias. Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  Unknown: See, the Spanish, they do things different. They don't say happy birthday.
• 1:22:34
  They say
• 1:22:36
  happy
• 1:22:37
  birth year.
• 1:22:40
  Ah.
• 1:22:42
  So there you go. Well,
• 1:22:44
  Unknown: it it I guess every year is your birth year. Right?
• 1:22:49
  Unknown: I get when it comes around to that day. And if you're a girl
• 1:22:54
  and you're 15,
• 1:22:56
  it's a big deal.
• 1:22:59
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Kinsay
• 1:23:01
  Unknown: Kinsay Kuplianos.
• 1:23:03
  It's a big deal, and parents plan and save for that day
• 1:23:08
  for years, and they have huge parties and all kinds of stuff as the girl basically is a female bar mitzvah.
• 1:23:17
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:23:18
  And they buy those big old,
• 1:23:21
  stuffed animals filled with candy.
• 1:23:24
  Unknown: Hey. Oh, pinatas.
• 1:23:25
  Man, they they they really you know, they they will extend
• 1:23:29
  as much financial wherewithal as they can gather to to it's such a big deal in this culture down here. So, anyway,
• 1:23:37
  Unknown: there you go.
• 1:23:39
  Unknown: Now do you have something to add besides you want us to wish you a happy birthday?
• 1:23:43
  So the No. Fifteenth Six seven six seven.
• 1:23:48
  Well,
• 1:23:49
  Unknown: with it's belated. Made a meme for my birthday.
• 1:23:53
  Unknown: To to wish you a belated happy birthday?
• 1:23:57
  Unknown: No. No. Today's my today's my 60
• 1:24:00
  birthday. Arrival. Oh. My day.
• 1:24:04
  Unknown: Okay. Yep. 06/15/1959.
• 1:24:08
  Gotcha. Didn't even know you were the day after Trump. You're not gonna have a cage fight out on the property there, are you? Oh, no.
• 1:24:15
  Unknown: Nope. I'm not even gonna watch one.
• 1:24:18
  Okay.
• 1:24:19
  Unknown: Thanks, sir. Well, HB,
• 1:24:22
  they just Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. You know, the old the old metaphor
• 1:24:27
  where they got the calendar there and just ripping days off them.
• 1:24:32
  About what life goes at that pace at this age, it seems.
• 1:24:37
  I've got one of these coming up a little over a month away,
• 1:24:41
  so I'm right there with you, Dave. So who else is I'll tell you what, Roger. Okay. Every Friday
• 1:24:47
  Unknown: yeah. Every Friday when when Brent's on, I'm like, oh my god. It's Friday already. It was just Friday yesterday.
• 1:24:55
  Can't believe how fast the weeks are flying
• 1:24:59
  by. It is unbelievable.
• 1:25:01
  Unknown: Rolls along pretty quickly. Yes. It does.
• 1:25:05
  Is anybody in the audience who have anything to add? Well, there's somebody right there. Didn't even have to get through the spiel. Yes, sir?
• 1:25:12
  Jared Jude Garcia in Carlsbad. Hey, Jerry. How are you doing, man?
• 1:25:30
  Unknown: And didn't know about that lump sum, could you go back and
• 1:25:35
  just
• 1:25:35
  ask?
• 1:25:37
  Unknown: I've I would doubt it. But does anybody know any more about this? If you're already on it, can you go back and go, hey. I forgot to ask you.
• 1:25:45
  Unknown: Ignorance of the lump sum is no excuse. Oh,
• 1:25:49
  Unknown: god. Listen to the legal concepts come rolling.
• 1:25:55
  Probably not, Jared. Be my guest, but, you know, well, you could always call and ask them.
• 1:26:02
  I just found out about this lump sum thing. Can I can I get in on that action?
• 1:26:10
  Unknown: Sure be nice. Getting ready to retire too. Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  Unknown: Is she on Social Security yet? Maybe.
• 1:26:19
  No. No. She no. Okay. Well, she could ask the question when she's ready to get
• 1:26:25
  to that point.
• 1:26:28
  Listen. There's another something that came up the other day on the show Friday, Rick. Thanks to Rick.
• 1:26:34
  I meant to mention it today, so I'm glad you asked, Jerry. He wasn't dealing with this.
• 1:26:39
  Bory, is Bory on with us today? Bory, I know you're always there in the background. You work and stuff. Are you there,
• 1:26:46
  Bory?
• 1:26:49
  Bory.
• 1:26:53
  Well, I wanna make sure he hears this, so I don't know whether to say it now. Y'all can maybe help me. Can you hear me, Roger? I am here, Roger. Hear you, buddy. Yeah, man. I hear you. I got a question for you. You weren't listening Saturday morning.
• 1:27:08
  Unknown: Sir. Yes, sir. I was listening. Yes. Did you And nationals Puerto Rican nationals?
• 1:27:14
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  Unknown: Roger. Well
• 1:27:17
  Unknown: but yeah. You may have to give in Puerto Rico to do that.
• 1:27:21
  Unknown: Well, I know, but he's got friends in Puerto Rico.
• 1:27:24
  So I was kinda anxious to find out, what do you do? You go to the secretary of state of Puerto Rico and say, wanna be a Spanish citizen and give them an affidavit?
• 1:27:36
  Unknown: No. You have to go to Spain.
• 1:27:38
  They give you you go to Spain,
• 1:27:40
  and and Spain, they give you a residency instead in in ten years. They give it to you in two years
• 1:27:47
  because you got blood related.
• 1:27:50
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:27:51
  Yes. But and what why? Because
• 1:27:54
  Spain
• 1:27:55
  is a
• 1:27:57
  just
• 1:27:58
  sanguineous
• 1:27:59
  country.
• 1:28:00
  They transfer
• 1:28:01
  her regimen in Spain
• 1:28:03
  by who your parents were,
• 1:28:05
  not where you were born. Okay,
• 1:28:12
  Bory. Well, if you investigate that anymore and find something interesting, let us know. Okay?
• 1:28:19
  Unknown: Alright. I tell you. Thank you.
• 1:28:21
  Unknown: Okay. Great, buddy. I just thought I'd never heard that before. No telling what you learn around here at the old radio ranch. Who else has got something here on this Monday with a few minutes left in the program?
• 1:28:35
  Nobody? We don't have we don't have Haika or or any of our good question gals. We don't have, you know, care. Hey, May Rod. This is Matt. I got something.
• 1:28:45
  Hey, Matt. What you got, buddy? Yeah, man. I can. Hey.
• 1:28:49
  Unknown: Yeah. This is on your earlier conversation about people wanting to move to Ecuador or whatever. I just wanna put it out there that I have two houses
• 1:28:58
  and
• 1:28:59
  you know where Alone is just north of
• 1:29:02
  Unknown: It's on the coast. Right?
• 1:29:04
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. The the next just north of the party town down there. Anyway, so it's actually in Korea,
• 1:29:09
  just north of Olon. I have two houses right on the beach that are for sale. Really? So Really? Anybody's
• 1:29:15
  interested.
• 1:29:16
  Yeah. Yeah. So
• 1:29:19
  and How long have you owned? I'll just say it.
• 1:29:23
  Well, the first one, I think, in 2011
• 1:29:26
  and the second one in 2013.
• 1:29:28
  Unknown: Yeah. You rent them through Airbnb
• 1:29:30
  or what?
• 1:29:32
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
• 1:29:38
  Unknown: loose.
• 1:29:40
  Unknown: Properties.
• 1:29:43
  Unknown: Okay. Hold on because you're clipping. You lost some of that information right there. I'm stopping.
• 1:29:47
  Unknown: Driving.
• 1:29:48
  Unknown: I'm Good deal.
• 1:29:50
  You. Thank you. Inti Inti
• 1:29:53
  Unknown: Inti Luce Properties, I n t I and then space l u z,
• 1:29:57
  Properties, Ecuador. If you just type that in,
• 1:30:00
  and at the bottom of the first page,
• 1:30:03
  you can see the two houses. One's yellow and one's white. And they're right next to each other and they're on the beach.
• 1:30:08
  And I, you know, I just want I I I that's a local
• 1:30:12
  company that's listed them, and I let them set the price. And so they set one at $3.10, one at $2.90. I'm
• 1:30:19
  I will take less.
• 1:30:21
  I'm and especially if if it's from a US person, there there does they do charge you to take money out of the country. So so if you advise them, I'm gonna 5%. I'm gonna end up with fee more.
• 1:30:32
  So
• 1:30:33
  so yeah. So I'll I'll take so anyways, I just wanted to put it out there if anybody's interested.
• 1:30:38
  Okay. Thanks, man. Out there and they call me and talk to me. Yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Unknown: I've never been to the beach. I've been up here all nine years. And in July, I've never been to the beach. So it just when I moved here, I started this network
• 1:30:52
  and tried to get this thing off the ground. I've been working pretty much ever since. And at my age, I'm about over traveling. I'm from the best beaches in the world in Florida there, and I just don't have much of a desire to go hang out down there. Although I know that's a lot of people's dream. Good for you. K?
• 1:31:11
  Unknown: So let me just state that the
• 1:31:14
  beach that these properties are in front of,
• 1:31:17
  it's an eight mile long beach. It's got about four miles to the north and four miles to the south. It's an excellent beginner surfing beach. Excellent. It just goes out forever.
• 1:31:28
  The
• 1:31:29
  and I just can't think of the name right now. I think too much aluminum, but but the the the big town, the big party town that everyone goes to that's on the beach, which is just five miles down road, 10 miles down Monte?
• 1:31:41
  Monte? Montanita.
• 1:31:43
  Montanita.
• 1:31:44
  Unknown: Montanita. Okay. Montanita.
• 1:31:46
  Unknown: Okay. Montanita. So Well Back in
• 1:31:49
  02/1312,
• 1:31:51
  or thirteen, they had the world
• 1:31:53
  Surfing Championships
• 1:31:55
  there in in Montanita, and I watched that.
• 1:31:58
  Yeah. So so that's so so that's really good surfing surfing beach in Montanita.
• 1:32:03
  So anyway, just wanted to just wanted to throw it out there for anybody that's interested in a hold of me.
• 1:32:09
  Unknown: Okay. Thank you. Okay. That's it. Alright. Appreciate it. Uh-huh. Hey, Roger. Alright. They've also got great fishing over there right at the top of the,
• 1:32:19
  oh, the Gulf Stream equivalent, and, I can't think of this the thing that goes up from Antarctica.
• 1:32:25
  Wonderful fishing.
• 1:32:27
  Should also say, if you don't know, the Galapagos
• 1:32:30
  are also
• 1:32:31
  Ecuadorian territory.
• 1:32:33
  So there's just an awful lot here. Yeah. Rick, was that you?
• 1:32:37
  Unknown: No.
• 1:32:38
  This is Jerry.
• 1:32:40
  Unknown: Jerry. Hey. Garcia.
• 1:32:43
  Unknown: Hey. I asked Susie or whatever her name is on that. Grock.
• 1:32:47
  If you could go back and ask and and she said
• 1:32:52
  or what's her what's her name? Lexi? I don't know. Anyway, she said, yes. You can absolutely ask
• 1:32:58
  to receive an unclaimed or missed
• 1:33:01
  lump sum retirement payment.
• 1:33:05
  That's what they said.
• 1:33:06
  Okay. Well And then social Social Security Administration,
• 1:33:10
  if you are past your full retirement age and delayed your benefits,
• 1:33:16
  you may be eligible to file for a lump sum retroactive
• 1:33:20
  payment.
• 1:33:21
  Unknown: Okay. So that means yeah. I get are you 68 or 65 or whatever?
• 1:33:28
  You can you can access a lump sum payment.
• 1:33:31
  I'd
• 1:33:32
  heard it. Never heard any of the specifics. Pretty interesting.
• 1:33:38
  Yes, sir. So if any of you are close to that age or you wanna go back and tap on, hey. Let me in. I'm you did you forgot to mention that to me.
• 1:33:48
  Do that.
• 1:33:50
  Hey, Roger. Thanks, Jerry. Yeah. So I that's Doug.
• 1:33:57
  Unknown: Thank you
• 1:33:58
  for recognizing me. Doug. Hey. So Hey, buddy.
• 1:34:03
  Unknown: How are you, Roger? I know you're well. Yeah. I'm pretty pretty good. Am I? Pretty good. All in all? Yeah. No complaint.
• 1:34:10
  Unknown: Well, wanted to Not really. Tell you my
• 1:34:14
  okay.
• 1:34:15
  Sorry. I brought it up.
• 1:34:17
  The What?
• 1:34:19
  My experience with Social Security, I
• 1:34:25
  started mine at age seven.
• 1:34:28
  I was on the phone speaking with a lady,
• 1:34:32
  And
• 1:34:33
  near the end of the conversation, she said, okay. We're gonna send you a check.
• 1:34:38
  I said, oh, you are?
• 1:34:40
  I said, what's that for?
• 1:34:42
  And the the context
• 1:34:45
  was something along the line of what
• 1:34:48
  think Borey just said or who whoever that was about,
• 1:34:52
  you know, I hadn't collected. I think 65 you could start
• 1:34:57
  officially,
• 1:34:58
  and I hadn't done that for those five years. So I asked her. I said, well,
• 1:35:04
  how
• 1:35:05
  much is that gonna be? And
• 1:35:08
  she told me, and, you know, I
• 1:35:10
  if I had false teeth, they would have fallen out.
• 1:35:14
  The so I got, like, about $9,000
• 1:35:20
  lump sum.
• 1:35:21
  Unknown: It
• 1:35:22
  okay. Well, that's good to know. So you did but you did that after 65,
• 1:35:27
  right,
• 1:35:28
  Unknown: or 70? I did that at 70.
• 1:35:31
  Unknown: Did it at 70. So you real you waited even past 68 to seventy. Okay. Well, there's some advantages there evidently if you do that in my situation at that time.
• 1:35:41
  I needed it, and I wanted it. I'm glad I made that decision. Everything's been pretty good. So
• 1:35:47
  Unknown: can't Well, you know why I waited, Roger?
• 1:35:50
  Because I still hadn't gotten
• 1:35:53
  the
• 1:35:54
  truth
• 1:35:56
  that
• 1:35:57
  collecting Social Security
• 1:35:59
  was not a nexus to any kind of
• 1:36:03
  Ah.
• 1:36:04
  Crap or yeah.
• 1:36:06
  Unknown: Yes. Quite an old patriot pathology.
• 1:36:11
  Yeah. But Here's how little here's how little the page yeah. Here's how little the patriots think about that.
• 1:36:19
  Okay. Here's our here's our setup.
• 1:36:22
  Everybody's gotta have a Social Security number.
• 1:36:26
  Everybody's gotta pay taxes where they ask you for that number.
• 1:36:31
  So, therefore, it's the nexus to the system and do obligate you to the system. Without thinking that
• 1:36:38
  back in the old days, you didn't need a Social Security number till you went to work.
• 1:36:43
  So do you think these guys are gonna wait till you're 16, 17, 18 years old to lock you into the system?
• 1:36:51
  Do you really think they're gonna operate that way?
• 1:36:54
  No. They're not.
• 1:36:56
  They want you right at the start.
• 1:36:59
  It's
• 1:37:00
  just the same way of looking at this thing.
• 1:37:02
  If I was a Almost Doug, if you and I were were a group of all greedy
• 1:37:08
  Right.
• 1:37:09
  Zionist bastards a couple hundred years ago, we were gonna say Oh, that's called.
• 1:37:16
  You know, I,
• 1:37:17
  you know, I,
• 1:37:18
  I think we need to take over the world, Doug. And
• 1:37:22
  you're and we're gonna sit there and talk and scheme. We're gonna go, okay. Here's what we're gonna do, Doug.
• 1:37:27
  We're gonna devise this system where this happens and that happens and these things happen over here, and then those happen. Do you think that's the way they're gonna do that? They're never gonna do it that way. And I can tell you why. Because they have no idea what's in the future that they don't know a contingency
• 1:37:44
  that they might not have figured on that's gonna mess up their whole deal.
• 1:37:48
  But you know what they are gonna do? They're gonna look backwards in history
• 1:37:52
  and see what's worked
• 1:37:54
  and pick something where they already know all the contingencies.
• 1:37:58
  They're gonna change a few labels, a few names,
• 1:38:01
  and they're gonna bring that system forward
• 1:38:04
  because that's the only way they can. The the Babylonian
• 1:38:08
  Yeah. Commercial
• 1:38:10
  system. Yeah. So what I'm saying is they they they're they're not looking ahead and formulating this system. When Doug's 18, he's gonna go get a Social Security number. By god, we'll have him then.
• 1:38:22
  That's not the way these people think.
• 1:38:25
  That's patriot
• 1:38:26
  You know what? Because it's not thinking.
• 1:38:29
  It's coming to conclusions
• 1:38:31
  that don't make sense,
• 1:38:33
  and then founding your beliefs on them, and then teaching that to others and expanding on them and screwing everybody up with just like Doug said.
• 1:38:42
  He waited till he was 70 because he always thought the Social Security number was the nexus to the system.
• 1:38:49
  Point made. Thank you, Roger,
• 1:38:52
  Unknown: if I had done it at 65,
• 1:38:57
  I would have earned I don't know if I would have got a lump sum.
• 1:39:01
  Well But I figured it out that over the time,
• 1:39:04
  I would have gained another $12,000.
• 1:39:08
  So not another, but at least $12,000.
• 1:39:11
  Unknown: You're not getting a lump. You're getting
• 1:39:14
  if you go back and apply and open your account later in life, you're getting everything they would have paid you from 65
• 1:39:22
  to that point.
• 1:39:24
  Unknown: That's what I'm it to you. Another
• 1:39:28
  thing, Roger, a patriot myth
• 1:39:31
  was the whole mailbox.
• 1:39:33
  If you have a, you know, a a mailbox.
• 1:39:36
  Unknown: Oh, man. Boy, I can tell you stories about that. What
• 1:39:40
  Unknown: a pain in the butt that was trying to because I would get one. I got one at the low PO box.
• 1:39:46
  I mean, a
• 1:39:48
  what do you call it? A box at yeah. It's a PO box at the post office.
• 1:39:52
  So I'd have to go there.
• 1:39:54
  And then they
• 1:39:57
  over a number of years, then they said, oh, nope.
• 1:40:00
  Can't.
• 1:40:01
  So then I had to go to travel
• 1:40:05
  to nearby
• 1:40:06
  cities, do it again,
• 1:40:09
  and
• 1:40:10
  what a pain
• 1:40:12
  it was.
• 1:40:14
  I'll just start here? Okay. And I would the audience. I'd go in before
• 1:40:18
  I started it, and I would have a conversation with the postmaster in that post office
• 1:40:25
  to let him know, okay. Here's my status.
• 1:40:28
  Here's what I'm doing.
• 1:40:31
  So we're clear. Oh, yeah. No problem. But
• 1:40:34
  somehow,
• 1:40:37
  through the grapevine,
• 1:40:39
  they would discover
• 1:40:41
  I opened, and and then cancel it. I I opened up
• 1:40:46
  two bank accounts without using a Social Security number,
• 1:40:50
  and that would last for quite a while.
• 1:40:55
  And then
• 1:40:56
  whoever was behind the scenes checking up, etcetera,
• 1:41:01
  then I'd get a notice from the bank.
• 1:41:03
  Unknown: You can't you know, we're closing your account, and and it was because I didn't have a Social Security number on The impact on people's lives of all this, I had to Tom D got ahold of some guy all calling the RBN. I got ahold of him.
• 1:41:19
  I
• 1:41:20
  use is Phil Marsh still alive?
• 1:41:24
  I use a post office box and only take bunny orders and all that. I'm just sitting there shaking my head. Here's a guy that for thirty years has altered his lifestyle and the way he does things based on total bullshit.
• 1:41:39
  Total.
• 1:41:41
  That's why I try and make these points, especially for the newer folks that might be listening that have probably have been searching
• 1:41:48
  for the truth, and you finally found us where you probably come across some of this nefarious
• 1:41:54
  BS along the path, and you and the problem is is somebody told you. It's probably somebody you trusted or liked, and then you take it in because they told you. You take it in as the gospel,
• 1:42:07
  and then you find us.
• 1:42:09
  And for most people, it's hard as hell to get that out of your brain.
• 1:42:15
  I mean, I figure we gotta get 20 mule team Borax
• 1:42:18
  and hook it up and try and drag it out of there because it's almost impossible.
• 1:42:25
  See And Roger is the only Social Security number Yes. And all this. And it's just because
• 1:42:31
  people because they've got the answer hidden so well, Doug,
• 1:42:35
  that they never thought anybody find it, and damn sure almost that happened.
• 1:42:40
  Go ahead, Doug.
• 1:42:41
  Unknown: And
• 1:42:42
  well,
• 1:42:43
  I'm just gonna say that
• 1:42:45
  the only source
• 1:42:47
  where all these lies
• 1:42:50
  that entangled
• 1:42:51
  me
• 1:42:53
  was the radio ranch,
• 1:42:55
  was your show.
• 1:42:57
  Unknown: Well So I thank you for that. God, thank you're welcome, Doug. I'm happy to be the man that did that, and I'm sure it's that way for a lot of other people too.
• 1:43:05
  Unknown: Nobody had these age And if it was your birthday You can And if it was your birthday, I'd say happy birthday.
• 1:43:11
  Unknown: Thank you. Well, it will be in about a month, so put it in your back pocket.
• 1:43:16
  But but but the the it came along, and all these people call us names. There's still people out there teaching that stuff, folks.
• 1:43:24
  So just be glad that you are who you are. I don't know who you are, all of you. I know some of you, at least secondhand through through the audio stream here, but
• 1:43:34
  just be grateful that you are who you are
• 1:43:38
  and that you, like me, I'm very grateful. I crossed paths with John and Glenn
• 1:43:43
  in that little six month window that they were teaching thirty years ago.
• 1:43:48
  And and then we got into it just a couple of months, and then the IRS raids them all three offices.
• 1:43:55
  It takes all the files, all the computers, everything else, holds locks
• 1:43:59
  at their heads,
• 1:44:01
  etcetera.
• 1:44:02
  And we didn't know much. I didn't I'd been in this couple of months at that point,
• 1:44:07
  and I didn't I was green as a twig, really. I was anxious to learn, but it was all very confusing to me and all the other students.
• 1:44:16
  And,
• 1:44:17
  but when they came down on them like that,
• 1:44:20
  I said, holy shit. I don't know much about this other stuff that they're teaching,
• 1:44:25
  but I do know a little bit about the federal government.
• 1:44:28
  And I know that they don't move that quick
• 1:44:31
  on anybody
• 1:44:33
  for anything.
• 1:44:35
  Now think about it. How quick does the federal government
• 1:44:39
  move about like paint drying?
• 1:44:42
  Well, man, they hopped to it and hit this within a few months. So what's the conclusion? It's gotta be important. It's gotta be valid.
• 1:44:51
  And so that was what rubber stamped their validity right there.
• 1:44:56
  And,
• 1:44:57
  but the federal government doesn't move that fast on anybody, folks. So what happened was John and Glenn, they didn't just find out about him teaching. John and Glenn had put together a whole package for him with the work study book they,
• 1:45:11
  that we got and some of the other stuff. They sent it to Philadelphia there, and, that's the service center that handles nonreson alien returns.
• 1:45:20
  And they sent us that we're gonna be going around the country teaching. This is what we're teaching. And if you wanna send your agents in and they show us ID, we'll give them not only can they get in for free, we'll give them free class materials.
• 1:45:34
  And the IRS wrote back and said, thank you very much.
• 1:45:39
  We're gonna pass this on to the education department,
• 1:45:42
  and they must have because John and Glenn damn sure got an education
• 1:45:47
  along with the rest of us.
• 1:45:51
  Don't move that fast for anything. They were on the thread here, and that was the feudal system.
• 1:45:57
  And they could tell at the IRS
• 1:46:00
  that somebody was finally on the answer, and that's why they moved so quick. And they got them to jail just to get them off the street.
• 1:46:08
  Okay. There is a female and there's a male there. Who was was the male? Larry, was that you?
• 1:46:15
  Unknown: Yeah. So recently, I was listening to,
• 1:46:18
  your old an old
• 1:46:20
  episode
• 1:46:22
  where where
• 1:46:23
  you were filling in for John b Wells Wells,
• 1:46:27
  and you had Glenn Ambrose on the show as a guest. Do you remember that? I'll be darned. I sure do vividly.
• 1:46:34
  Yeah. So
• 1:46:36
  I read the complaint
• 1:46:38
  that the United States government filed against John Benson and Glenn Amort,
• 1:46:43
  and one
• 1:46:44
  of the
• 1:46:45
  counts was that they were
• 1:46:47
  assisting
• 1:46:49
  others
• 1:46:50
  to defraud the United States government,
• 1:46:53
  and I believe Glenn Amborg said that in that interview
• 1:46:57
  that they never
• 1:46:59
  assisted anybody, that that was all total fabrication,
• 1:47:03
  that they just taught the material
• 1:47:05
  and it was up to the people that were at the seminars
• 1:47:09
  to just fill out their own ten forty NRs and x's. Is that true?
• 1:47:15
  Unknown: As I remember, I didn't understand what was happening. I said, do this, do that, do the other. I mean, I just complied.
• 1:47:22
  It's true as far as I can remember it, Larry, but I can tell you this. They had an over 90 counts against Glenn.
• 1:47:29
  And hardly any of them had anything to do with this more than that one right there.
• 1:47:34
  They were all they had gone with a Canadian gal and done some sort of stock market MLM kind of thing. She was in Canada,
• 1:47:42
  and they most of those charges had to do with that, if I remember correctly. K? But the point being is they were gonna get John and Glenn off the street because they knew they were on the path
• 1:47:55
  and damned if they almost didn't squash it. They came close.
• 1:47:59
  Because there was only 12 as I've said this before, you can noodle on this if you're new. There's only 1,200 students that paid to go through the course.
• 1:48:08
  Back in 1992,
• 1:48:10
  there's about 300,000,000
• 1:48:11
  maybe or, in the country. So out of 300,000,000
• 1:48:15
  people,
• 1:48:16
  1,200 paid to go through the course. Out of those 1,200,
• 1:48:21
  I was the only one
• 1:48:23
  that took it further after that raid.
• 1:48:27
  Folks, if it wasn't for that right there and the reason that I am there
• 1:48:32
  is because I've got the truth, Gene, and a big curious,
• 1:48:37
  and I'd been wondering why the country was so screwed up and things weren't working correctly since I was in my teens.
• 1:48:45
  And there it is right there. All of a sudden, I crossed paths with the answer, indirectly, the tax issue,
• 1:48:51
  but that's what it's here. I was there for truth. I was like the reason most of you folks are here. You're truth seekers. You want truth. You wanna live your lives in a truthful
• 1:49:03
  parameters.
• 1:49:04
  Okay? And you hadn't been able to find it until now, and all the dust settles generally when you get in here.
• 1:49:11
  And so,
• 1:49:13
  that's kinda what happened. I took it further. I kept asking questions. I kept in contact with John and Glenn even after they were in prison. I typed up a bunch of the stuff that they were handwriting
• 1:49:25
  as they were handwriting the textbook,
• 1:49:28
  a taxation without with with misrepresentation.
• 1:49:32
  They'd send me that written. I'd type it up and get it back to him. Finally,
• 1:49:36
  Glenn scrounged a typewriter somewhere. They weren't supposed to have one. They'd hide it under a box,
• 1:49:43
  somewhere, and they'd get it out, and they could do their own typing then.
• 1:49:46
  Kept in contact with them, and, I
• 1:49:49
  remember the first time
• 1:49:51
  that I got to talk to John Benson after they got released, Larry.
• 1:49:57
  And I happened to be in Buenos Aires.
• 1:49:59
  And I was I was just trying I found a hotel. I was trying to find out something about that bar. I went by, and there's a note on the door or something. I was sitting there reading it. This guy comes up to me and starts talking to me.
• 1:50:12
  He ends up he's the owner of this really swanky hotel right around the corner.
• 1:50:17
  And so he said, well, you come stay here, discount this, that, and the other, and and him and I had a had a little relationship built up. Hell of a nice guy.
• 1:50:26
  And,
• 1:50:27
  he let me go up into their conference room at this swanky hotel
• 1:50:32
  and call back to The US and talk to John on the phone.
• 1:50:35
  And I remember his first time we had spoken in years, and I just broke down crying.
• 1:50:41
  You know, thank him. Thank you, man. You've changed my life. I can't believe this, that and the other. And I think he was very overwhelmed by that.
• 1:50:49
  But, yep, sure remember that event perfectly,
• 1:50:52
  Larry.
• 1:50:56
  Yep.
• 1:50:57
  See, I I if you're new and you're just stumbling into this, you have no idea
• 1:51:02
  the path that this concept and this information has taken.
• 1:51:07
  They have to be defined as divine
• 1:51:11
  interventions
• 1:51:11
  along the way,
• 1:51:13
  have to be that that the good lord is steering this. I mean, it's just it's just no other answer.
• 1:51:20
  K?
• 1:51:21
  And so I feel very blessed why
• 1:51:24
  why he chose me
• 1:51:27
  and groomed me because I can look back through my whole life and see where everything I've done
• 1:51:32
  leads up to this right here and contributes to me being able to do this and do it effectively.
• 1:51:38
  And now we've got the game down.
• 1:51:41
  Their game is dissolving,
• 1:51:43
  and the stakes are getting higher by the day, and we're waiting on the sideline
• 1:51:48
  until the good lord decides it's time to open the door,
• 1:51:52
  and we're gonna throw a match on a pool of gasoline.
• 1:51:55
  Don't know when that's gonna be, but I do know this.
• 1:51:59
  The worse it gets on the other side,
• 1:52:02
  the bigger the reaction's gonna be when that event happens.
• 1:52:07
  The more people it's gonna envelop in effect
• 1:52:10
  when the door is opened
• 1:52:12
  because they they're looking now. They know these bunch of shysters run our government. They understand at least a hell lot more than they have in years what the deal is. Israel's being exposed for who and what they are, and that's gonna continue to build because they're gonna double down. And every time they double down, they get more exposed. That's the pattern.
• 1:52:34
  That's gonna continue, and that's gonna build until the good lord's ready. He's gonna open the door. And when he does, this foundation of people that are tuned to this message wherever you are.
• 1:52:46
  Now
• 1:52:47
  our foundation is gonna be very, very important
• 1:52:50
  because it's not just Roger on the radio saying this. We've got that. Maybe at that point, we'll have enough people we could start getting organized.
• 1:52:59
  That's another real big deficit for us is we haven't had enough people to get organized. We can have these great ideas.
• 1:53:06
  What about a real citizen's grand jury with real state citizen
• 1:53:12
  nationals
• 1:53:13
  as the people that set it all up and divvy out and charge them and all that? They can't come in and and shut that down. What about we start getting organized with something like that and and things we can put teeth into?
• 1:53:28
  Well, we don't we've never had enough people. We've never had enough people coming around or here to really even outside of a pipe dream think about those things. Yes. Who was who was Roger there?
• 1:53:41
  Christian.
• 1:53:42
  Hey, Christian.
• 1:53:45
  Unknown: I wanna I wanna I want every time you tell that story, it makes me so
• 1:53:52
  beside myself
• 1:53:54
  to know the truth. Yeah.
• 1:53:57
  And the truth that god god searches
• 1:54:01
  all the world
• 1:54:02
  to show himself strong through someone,
• 1:54:06
  and you
• 1:54:07
  you give him glory
• 1:54:10
  every time you tell that story.
• 1:54:13
  Unknown: Man, I give him glory every time I can because there's no other way this could happen to me, Christian.
• 1:54:19
  I mean, look. I used to when I I remember when I was in my first divorce, you know, and I was you ever bargain with god?
• 1:54:25
  You ever get to you know, I was, okay, man. I want some relief from this divorce. It's driving me crazy. I wanna know that you're real god. Set that bush outside my front door on fire,
• 1:54:36
  and I'm gonna know you're real.
• 1:54:39
  Oh, come on, Roger.
• 1:54:41
  No. He devised this
• 1:54:44
  to show me he's real,
• 1:54:46
  And there are no other answers that can are even possible.
• 1:54:50
  Just like I say, when I met these two guys and went through that weekend course,
• 1:54:56
  he put a a row a a ring in my nose, and he attached a nice piece of hemp rope to it and said, come here, boy. You're following me,
• 1:55:05
  and I've been doing that ever since.
• 1:55:08
  And this is my ministry, but it's not a, hey. Bring you to Jesus ministry.
• 1:55:12
  It's bring you to truth because Jesus is the truth. I'll let you make that connection on your own. But I'm gonna bring you here if you're willing, kick and screaming, or willing, and I'm gonna fill you full of as much truth and say, you don't have to be a slave to the satanic Jew slavers.
• 1:55:31
  You don't have to be. You are now. Here's how they did it. You've been happy as a tig, you know, on a bug. But now you're unhappy, you can get out of it. And they can't do a thing about it because it's your choice.
• 1:55:45
  You're you now in this real world are the terrorists because you terrorize the fraudsters.
• 1:55:52
  And this whole thing they've built to enslave you and enrich them and control the world. I was gonna tell that story a minute ago. Somebody brought it up about the mailboxes.
• 1:56:02
  Doug,
• 1:56:04
  I can't remember the guy who spear there was a a group of guys out of California that were, proffering that, Doug.
• 1:56:12
  One of them was the guy that was in every which way but loose with the orangutan.
• 1:56:17
  I can't remember his name, the actor.
• 1:56:20
  He was part of the group.
• 1:56:23
  No. No. It wasn't him. It was another guy that had control of that orangutan.
• 1:56:28
  But
• 1:56:29
  he was part of that bunch, and they would not fly.
• 1:56:33
  And so they took a train all the way from California to Georgia, Northeast Georgia there, some little town, and they had a seminar while we all went up there.
• 1:56:42
  And their deal was that because if you've got their deal was because you got a a mailbox on your property,
• 1:56:50
  that that extends jurisdiction throughout their property and to you.
• 1:56:54
  That's a little bit of a reach. I went up there and heard what they had to say. This is what it turns out. The only part of the mailbox that is government property is the inside.
• 1:57:07
  That's why people could come and put flyers and tape them and do anything on the outside,
• 1:57:13
  but they can't put those things inside the mailbox. That's federal territory.
• 1:57:17
  But that was their spiel,
• 1:57:19
  was that because you had a mailbox on your land and the ZIP code and all that stuff figured into it that it extended federal jurisdiction, it didn't.
• 1:57:29
  But a whole bunch of people went they they went to and from coast to coast on a train just to tell us a bunch of us that.
• 1:57:37
  So, anyway, that's where that came from. No. It's not. It's not correct.
• 1:57:43
  None of those things are correct that I've been able a a ever able ever
• 1:57:49
  able to prove.
• 1:57:51
  Well, look at that there. Look who showed up.
• 1:57:56
  Well, alrighty. If you got something to say, you better say it quick because we're about to exit stage left like snagglepuss
• 1:58:02
  here.
• 1:58:03
  So if you got something to say, do it now.
• 1:58:06
  Unknown: Hey, Rocky. God bless all.
• 1:58:08
  Myr, Julie, and all all all,
• 1:58:11
  and god bless y'all all.
• 1:58:14
  Unknown: Thank you, Christian and everybody. And he well, hasn't he
• 1:58:18
  by the mere fact that we're here, Christian,
• 1:58:22
  hasn't he blessed us?
• 1:58:25
  Yes.
• 1:58:26
  Okay. Yeah. I think so too.
• 1:58:29
  Quite an experience. I would have never dreamed that my life was gonna turn into this. It just magically pivoted
• 1:58:35
  on the 07/16/1992
• 1:58:42
  when I cut off the tape from Al Carter,
• 1:58:45
  a PAY triad
• 1:58:47
  going over the tax system halfway
• 1:58:51
  through
• 1:58:52
  to watch Bill Clinton's acceptance speech.
• 1:58:56
  Replayed his saxophone
• 1:58:57
  for
• 1:58:58
  Unknown: way too long. That was brutal.
• 1:59:02
  Unknown: That's right. Well, Saturday morning, that was a Thursday. Saturday morning, I get up, bound down the stairs,
• 1:59:09
  play the rest of that tape, and at the end of it, I ask myself what many of you are asking yourselves.
• 1:59:16
  They can screw us this bad.
• 1:59:18
  What the hell is going on that we don't know about? Welcome
• 1:59:23
  to the radio ranch
• 1:59:25
  and a
• 1:59:27
  big,
• 1:59:28
  big funnier truck.
• 1:59:34
  Do you send truth seekers?
• 1:59:40
  There we go.
• 1:59:41
  Happy Monday, kids. Well, I'm kinda anxious to find out what's going on in the world. I don't know if we're bombing Iran or what what the hell is going on over there. I do know this.
• 1:59:52
  The longer that Trump delays being able to get a deal in that
• 1:59:57
  in that
• 2:00:00
  body of water open,
• 2:00:02
  we're gonna have big problems. So let me ask you this. Paul,
• 2:00:05
  are you a boat person at all?
• 2:00:08
  Unknown: I wish I used to be. On the air.
• 2:00:10
  Unknown: I used to be a boat person. You know how many of those, 300 foot oil carriers
• 2:00:16
  are are locked in the in the that body of water over there?
• 2:00:21
  Unknown: I don't have a clue.
• 2:00:23
  Unknown: You don't have a clue? No.
• 2:00:27
  1,500.
• 2:00:29
  Unknown: Oh god.
• 2:00:30
  Unknown: Fifteen hundred? Fifteen hundred, 300 foot oil characters
• 2:00:35
  that have been in warm water
• 2:00:37
  sitting for a hundred and ten days or so. What do you think is happening to the underside of that boat?
• 2:00:47
  Unknown: Oh, I don't know.
• 2:00:49
  Unknown: It's got more barnacles,
• 2:00:51
  sea crap,
• 2:00:52
  spurns,
• 2:00:54
  all kind of sea growth on there because it hadn't been moving.
• 2:00:58
  Do you know what it's gonna be to clean just one of them?
• 2:01:05
  Yeah.
• 2:01:06
  Unknown: Noodle on it. Well, I'm familiar with
• 2:01:10
  Unknown: what it takes to clean the bottom of a 25 and a half foot boat. Yeah. There's no picnic. It it ain't no picnic at all, especially if there's barnacles on there. Yeah. So, anyway, noodle on that. Noodle on what we said wherever you are. Roger. If
• 2:01:28
  you wanted to get out of there and and you had all the tea leaves, I'll get second Larry.
• 2:01:34
  You can live real comfortably down here like a king. If you got 2,000
• 2:01:39
  plus a month, you can live unbelievably well down here. Yes, Larry.
• 2:01:45
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:01:46
  Unknown: I think the person that you're referencing,
• 2:01:48
  his name was John Quaid.
• 2:01:51
  Unknown: And he Quaid. Exactly. Explicitly
• 2:01:54
  Unknown: yeah. He explicit he gave a lot of seminars
• 2:01:57
  back in the day when the patriot movement was at its peak. He gave a lot of seminars back then around The United States,
• 2:02:04
  and he explicitly taught that citizens should give up their Social Security numbers.
• 2:02:09
  He argued that the federal government used them to infringe on individual sovereignty.
• 2:02:15
  So he he's one of the patriots that made that nexus connection,
• 2:02:20
  which you argue against,
• 2:02:22
  just FYI.
• 2:02:23
  Unknown: Well, it's just not true. You know? And I'm sorry. I thought he believed it. He believed everything. He didn't do it to go out and intentionally mislead people.
• 2:02:31
  These are the misconceptions
• 2:02:33
  that patriots get in. They know there's something wrong.
• 2:02:36
  They're trying to take two points and connect them.
• 2:02:39
  Everybody has to have a Social Security number. You use it to file your taxes. Therefore, the Social Security number's gotta be the nexus to the system. It's a it's a non sequitur. Do you know what a non sequitur is, Larry?
• 2:02:56
  Unknown: I'm sure you've run across that for us. Yeah. I've heard it before. There's a comic strip.
• 2:03:01
  Unknown: It means that that does not follow.
• 2:03:04
  So you got logic, but it doesn't make sense.
• 2:03:08
  Unknown: Yeah. There's actually a comic strip by that name. Did you know that? No. I didn't.
• 2:03:13
  Unknown: Did not.
• 2:03:16
  So who else has something for Roger after I've been talking for two hours for the most part?
• 2:03:26
  Hello, Roger. I I feel very blessed to be where I am, what I know, and the position I'm in. It just really gives me the big warm fuzzies to meet you people, to help change your lives, and see it right here.
• 2:03:40
  Our relationship develops, I see it affect your life and change you, empower you, and it's just wonderful feedback for me. You that's the reason I don't charge you. You can't put a price on that kind of feedback.
• 2:03:56
  K. Yes. Who was Roger Roger ing there?
• 2:04:01
  Good morning, Roger. Victor in Washington state. Hey, Victor. I was thinking about you the other day. Last I talked to you, you were in an airport going somewhere. I haven't heard from you since.
• 2:04:13
  Unknown: Victor, you know what Philippines visiting. Okay.
• 2:04:16
  Unknown: I'm sorry. What happened that night, you wanted to talk? I was eating dinner on a Sunday night about 06:30
• 2:04:23
  or seven in the middle of the seventh game of a Stanley Cup playoff.
• 2:04:28
  Unknown: Oh, lord. Uh-huh.
• 2:04:32
  Unknown: Oh, okay.
• 2:04:33
  That's what I was in Spokane, Washington heading back to Federal A. Okay. Okay. Well, glad to hear from you, Dan. Glad you're alright.
• 2:04:42
  Yeah.
• 2:04:43
  I just got back from The Philippines also.
• 2:04:47
  Unknown: The biggest thing that I've always Yep. Did ho ho. Did you have power down there?
• 2:04:53
  Unknown: Yes. We did. Yep.
• 2:04:55
  Unknown: Hold time or any restrictions?
• 2:04:59
  Unknown: There's a couple couple times when the results were a few hours, couple hours at a time. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
• 2:05:06
  In fact, I know that I need to get off my butt and get solar panels on top of that house as soon as I get a chance.
• 2:05:12
  But
• 2:05:14
  I'm I'm still I'm still
• 2:05:17
  I took a break from the revocation of election for a while. Now I'm back on it again.
• 2:05:23
  And
• 2:05:24
  I know that
• 2:05:26
  I've been told by a couple of students
• 2:05:29
  that
• 2:05:30
  if you don't wanna pay federal income tax, you have to do revocation of election.
• 2:05:35
  But I've talked to other couple of students that say, well, you could do a Okay. Well well, let's make sure we're on the same page
• 2:05:41
  Unknown: because this term
• 2:05:44
  gets attached
• 2:05:45
  different definitions around here.
• 2:05:49
  I see it when you say that
• 2:05:53
  as you going back and applying for the last three years that you paid in to income tax and changing that and applying to get refunded with
• 2:06:03
  ten forty x's.
• 2:06:04
  Is that what you're talking about, or are you talking about simply giving the IRS notice
• 2:06:10
  that your affidavit's on file with the secretary of state?
• 2:06:15
  Unknown: It's totally separate.
• 2:06:17
  It's it's it's related, but separate.
• 2:06:20
  And I know that we've had the same conversation twice before that you don't really understand
• 2:06:25
  what I'm trying to do,
• 2:06:27
  But it's it's
• 2:06:28
  when you when you send everybody your notices,
• 2:06:31
  the IRS,
• 2:06:32
  that's that's you're noticing them, and they're supposed to suspend your account
• 2:06:37
  for their rules.
• 2:06:39
  Unknown: I guess. Okay. Okay.
• 2:06:41
  Unknown: Okay. That's what I've been told by another student, but the
• 2:06:46
  revocation of election is you're revoking your election to donate money to them for the rest of your life. Okay. Removing yourself to the system completely. Okay. So you're not on I want money back definition.
• 2:06:56
  Unknown: You're on the here's your notice that I'm out of your system.
• 2:07:00
  Okay. There you go. Here's my Now we know well, now when we're on the same definition, now we know both know what we're talking about. K? So when you say revocation of election,
• 2:07:11
  you're talking about notice.
• 2:07:12
  So what are you back on in having a problem with, Victor?
• 2:07:17
  Okay. I just wanted to clarify. It's not notice. The notice is the first step that you do when you notice everybody else in their jurisdictions that you're gonna be traveling through that you don't wanna get messed with. That's a notice. Well, that's the problem. People think that's revocation of election, and, technically, it may be. This is just something that's hung with me for all these years because I went through. That's why I'm trying to make sure we're on the same page here.
• 2:07:43
  Unknown: Yep. We're on the same page, and I'm just clarifying
• 2:07:47
  my understanding.
• 2:07:49
  And it's they're separate. The notice is the one thing that you notice everybody else. You notice the IRS. That's your notice.
• 2:07:56
  That the revocation is separate. That's the final
• 2:08:00
  Unknown: final step of removing yourself from their system permanently forever for a lifetime. I don't I I would think you would've done that with the notice. K? But maybe that's not right. I don't know. That's always worked in the past, k,
• 2:08:14
  my knowledge. Yep.
• 2:08:16
  Unknown: From a very knowledgeable student,
• 2:08:20
  when you notice them, per their own rules, they're supposed to suspend your account.
• 2:08:25
  Just just suspend it.
• 2:08:27
  But when you do a revocation,
• 2:08:31
  that is removing yourself from their system completely where you they can never
• 2:08:36
  attach
• 2:08:37
  any kind of they can't they can't have you donate money to them ever again.
• 2:08:42
  And, apparently, you can't go back and
• 2:08:46
  reenter their system once you do it.
• 2:08:48
  Unknown: So Oh, I
• 2:08:50
  bet you I bet you if you wanna volunteer a 10:40,
• 2:08:54
  that they won't turn you down. What do you wanna bet, Victor?
• 2:08:59
  Unknown: Yeah. I I agree that it's Joe Lesica is one of them that says that that it's you know, he she lays it all out in all the documents. But the
• 2:09:08
  biggest question is is another great student
• 2:09:12
  knows about doing LLCs,
• 2:09:14
  having businesses and trusts and having your parts of your businesses in different trusts and then distributing funds to yourself.
• 2:09:22
  And because yourself is not responsible for taxes, then you shouldn't have to pay federal income tax.
• 2:09:27
  So you will you'll you'll end up owing nothing on those expenses, basically. I just wanted to see
• 2:09:33
  if we could clarify it.
• 2:09:34
  Unknown: Well, good approach.
• 2:09:37
  Not my area of expertise necessarily.
• 2:09:40
  But
• 2:09:41
  Unknown: May I make a comment?
• 2:09:43
  Unknown: Julie,
• 2:09:45
  Unknown: yes. You may. Hi, Victor. How are you?
• 2:09:49
  Unknown: I'm doing great. It's good to hear from you. I I do I I was surprised to hear that you're planning on going to Ecuador, though. That's great. I don't know. I'm really considering it. Yes, I'm done with this country.
• 2:10:00
  Unknown: Anyway,
• 2:10:02
  I don't believe that the IRS has any rules over us at all, period. And so while I respect Joe Lestica immensely,
• 2:10:12
  I know that John Garland down in
• 2:10:15
  Georgia I think he opted out. He might have opted back in again. Don't know.
• 2:10:20
  But once you become a national, they don't have jurisdiction over you anymore.
• 2:10:25
  And so if you decide you want to make a donation, every single thing with the IRS is a contract on an annual basis.
• 2:10:33
  You're contracting with them on an annual basis. And so
• 2:10:36
  if you decide you want to go back in the system again and
• 2:10:40
  I think John did that because he needed a loan, or he he wanted to get a loan and they needed they he couldn't get the loan without the tax returns that were filed. But
• 2:10:50
  I I do believe that you can opt in and opt out.
• 2:10:54
  Unknown: You want me to give you the specifics on exactly what happened there?
• 2:10:59
  John went through that. Yeah. You Got an got an incredible
• 2:11:03
  an incredible amount of funds back. I was shocked. Okay? It wasn't what he stated.
• 2:11:10
  And so then he inherited the farm. It's a huge farm. It's 10 miles by 10 miles, 100,000 acres.
• 2:11:18
  Now he bought a little bit to make it that. Anyway,
• 2:11:22
  he wanted to extend the credit line of his uncle who had died of cancer.
• 2:11:27
  They went to the local bank, and the guy goes, well, no problem. I just need to see three years of your tax returns.
• 2:11:33
  And he went, oh, crap.
• 2:11:35
  And so then he he said he went to the point. He told me that he drove fifty, sixty miles away to another bank and and got in there. Guy said, well, I'll be fine. I just need three, years of your tax returns.
• 2:11:47
  So he had to give it back and change.
• 2:11:51
  Unknown: Hey, Raj.
• 2:11:52
  Unknown: Yes. From
• 2:11:56
  Unknown: what I know,
• 2:11:58
  he did a revocation of election, he did three years, and he got three years back. He got that money
• 2:12:05
  and then his uncle
• 2:12:08
  passed away and he inherited the farm and
• 2:12:12
  he
• 2:12:13
  was trying to assume
• 2:12:16
  the
• 2:12:17
  letter of credit. The line of credit. The credit line
• 2:12:21
  that his uncle had, and the banks wouldn't allow him to do it unless he had three years of tax Tax
• 2:12:28
  returns. So what he did
• 2:12:30
  was he filled out those three years of tax returns,
• 2:12:34
  and he gave the money back to the IRS,
• 2:12:37
  and they took it.
• 2:12:40
  Yep. They did.
• 2:12:41
  Unknown: So Yeah. You think those bastards will turn down funds if you're offering to them? Shit. No. They're whores. What
• 2:12:49
  Unknown: dream world are you living in? They're whores. So you can volunteer in at any time.
• 2:12:55
  Unknown: They'll call him the commissioner for nothing.
• 2:12:58
  Unknown: Stop being Yeah. But I was just referring to
• 2:13:01
  Unknown: I was referring to the statement that
• 2:13:05
  Victor made
• 2:13:06
  where you can only volunteer out once.
• 2:13:09
  If you go back in, you can't volunteer out again. Yeah. I point is that they don't have jurisdiction over us. They do not have jurisdiction
• 2:13:17
  over us at all. That
• 2:13:19
  Unknown: would be some kind of control over us, and they don't have any. That's all our decisions.
• 2:13:23
  So this is a thing like Ed.
• 2:13:26
  You gotta get into this enough to where you get dispelling. I'm asking permission.
• 2:13:31
  There's something I can do to mess this up. There's nothing you can do to mess it up except put in another affidavit
• 2:13:37
  and tell them you wanna revert back to your former
• 2:13:40
  servitude,
• 2:13:41
  voluntary servitude condition.
• 2:13:43
  They'll accept that too. What do you want to bet?
• 2:13:46
  Unknown: All you have to do is file a ten forty. You file a ten forty. You've opened a brand new agreement, and they don't have to recreate your account. Even if they remove you from the IRS books,
• 2:13:57
  that IRS account is actually attached to your CUSIP number and attached to attached to your Social Security number,
• 2:14:04
  and that will never ever go away. Never. It's
• 2:14:08
  Unknown: just as the protocol pool, get them arguing over matters of little difference. These are matters of little difference. Please stop overthinking this stuff, folks. Who's trying to say something right there?
• 2:14:20
  Unknown: Hey, Roger. It's Victor here again.
• 2:14:23
  Unknown: Yes, Victor.
• 2:14:25
  Unknown: I want I wanted to clarify that
• 2:14:28
  I didn't say that
• 2:14:30
  Joe Leslie Kuh showed us the document saying that if you do a revocation, you you
• 2:14:37
  can't
• 2:14:38
  you can't volunteer back in.
• 2:14:42
  You can never volunteer back in. He was saying that the the actual document state that once you do a revocation of election, you're done. You can't volunteer back in. Who's saying this? Can't volunteer volition of Joe Lesterkus.
• 2:14:54
  Unknown: Oh, Joe. Joe.
• 2:14:56
  Unknown: Look.
• 2:14:57
  Unknown: I I could be. I don't know. If you wanna go explore
• 2:15:01
  that, go explore it. To me, it doesn't that's not true. Doesn't matter. You know? I don't know anybody else except maybe somebody liking John's condition, very rare situation
• 2:15:13
  that you'd have to do that.
• 2:15:15
  So I I think we're making much ado about nothing here.
• 2:15:19
  So what Joe No. But the reason about it What is your question I'm trying to answer? So you got it so complex. Okay. I don't even remember what we're looking for.
• 2:15:29
  Unknown: Okay. We're looking for here I am, an electrician
• 2:15:33
  getting ready to go back to work,
• 2:15:35
  and I know that you can fill out a ten forty NR, give it to your employer because they're just a collection agency for the IRS. No. No. No. No. Ten forty NR is what you file with the IRS.
• 2:15:48
  Unknown: With your employer,
• 2:15:50
  there's a couple of different ways. You like Joe Lusica?
• 2:15:53
  What about a w eight b e n? Try a w eight b e n. He's got a video on that over in his channel.
• 2:16:00
  It seems to work for some people. For some other people, it didn't. I don't know the differentiations.
• 2:16:06
  This is not my field of expertise,
• 2:16:08
  and I'll be the first one to tell you. Okay?
• 2:16:11
  So you're talking about what you're filing with your employer.
• 2:16:16
  Are you a subcontractor
• 2:16:18
  with the employer or are you an employee?
• 2:16:20
  The second, Julian. I'm an employee.
• 2:16:23
  Can you become a subcontractor?
• 2:16:27
  Unknown: I could if I got an administrator's license, but I don't intend on doing that yet.
• 2:16:32
  And that's the whole reason for the call is because go ahead. So
• 2:16:37
  Unknown: if you were going to be an independent
• 2:16:42
  contractor,
• 2:16:43
  you could set yourself up as an LLC and all the other stuff and work. As an employee, you can't do that to my knowledge. K?
• 2:16:51
  So
• 2:16:52
  try first AW eight B e n
• 2:16:56
  and see if they accept it.
• 2:16:58
  They accept it. They'll stop the withholding, and we'll all go along our merry little path.
• 2:17:04
  If they don't take it, there are other fallback positions.
• 2:17:08
  I can't tell you exactly what they are. Larry probably could off the tip of my hand. I hadn't filled out one of the things since the mid nineties,
• 2:17:17
  Victor.
• 2:17:19
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay. I understand your I understand Julie. Your
• 2:17:22
  Unknown: Okay. Julie, who generally is very knowledgeable in some of these areas. Julie had something to say.
• 2:17:29
  Julie.
• 2:17:32
  Unknown: Yeah. So, Victor, if you fill out a w four, you can just check the exempt button on there. They have an exempt area for it now. If you do not want, that will eliminate federal and state tax withholdings, but it will not eliminate MedicareMedicaid.
• 2:17:48
  If you want everything eliminated, you've got to fill out a W8BEN,
• 2:17:52
  which is what William did down in Georgia.
• 2:17:55
  However,
• 2:17:56
  there's two problems with that. Number one, if you don't fill it out properly, it can be rejected. And number two, if you do fill it out properly,
• 2:18:05
  but the human resources
• 2:18:07
  personnel
• 2:18:08
  who processes it doesn't know what they're doing because they've never seen one of those before, they could just reject it and mess it up.
• 2:18:15
  So sometimes you gotta educate the human resources department and go on the IRS website,
• 2:18:21
  follow the instructions of filling it out,
• 2:18:24
  Unknown: and, you may have to educate the human resources department on exactly how they process something like that. Yeah. See, the thing here's the problem, Victor. Your company you work for, they're scared of the IRS than you are.
• 2:18:42
  Unknown: K? I understand. And I am not and I'm not scared of the IRS. I just I'm getting ready to go back to work, and I wanna be prepared
• 2:18:51
  for when it comes time to do the onboarding and all the paperwork
• 2:18:54
  Uh-huh. To give them the correct paperwork, but it it
• 2:18:58
  Unknown: Do you have a little Philippine bride down there or something going on?
• 2:19:04
  Unknown: I've got a wife and kids in The Philippines. That's correct.
• 2:19:08
  Unknown: Cool. How many children you got down there?
• 2:19:11
  Unknown: Got a six year old son and a
• 2:19:14
  17 year old stepdaughter
• 2:19:15
  Unknown: and a 40 year old wife this month. Cool. How long do you how often do you get down there? I'm sure not often enough.
• 2:19:24
  Unknown: I've been there about 25 times since 2018.
• 2:19:27
  Unknown: Oh, wow. That's a lot. And what's the what flight do you take? Down to LA and straight to, or you gotta do a milk run or what?
• 2:19:36
  Unknown: Seattle to Manila, Manila to Tagularin,
• 2:19:39
  the island of the whole. Damn. Direct flights from Seattle.
• 2:19:43
  Unknown: Cool, Victor.
• 2:19:44
  Unknown: Cool, man. But Oh, okay. Next time I wanna go to South Korea. But
• 2:19:50
  The biggest thing here is
• 2:19:53
  Unknown: Okay. I'm glad to hear they're not getting affected too much by this straight to Hormuz thing. Some of the other islands Comment for Victor? Are are more affected. Yeah. Hold on. Let's see. Comment for Victor.
• 2:20:07
  Unknown: Yeah. This is man on Montana.
• 2:20:11
  Samuel turned me on to this research
• 2:20:14
  by the god culture.
• 2:20:16
  And if you haven't
• 2:20:19
  dived into that and you're going to The Philippines, I highly suggest
• 2:20:24
  that you watch some of their videos
• 2:20:26
  about the Garden of Eden. You'll if you if you don't know what I'm talking about, you'll love it.
• 2:20:33
  Unknown: Copy that. Garden of Eden god culture.
• 2:20:37
  Unknown: Yeah. You yep.
• 2:20:39
  Unknown: Okay. Cool. So so, Roger So, Vic Roger I'm trying yeah. Sure. What else can we do you for?
• 2:20:47
  Unknown: Roger, I understand that you're not familiar with this stuff, but like I've said before, this is the final
• 2:20:53
  step
• 2:20:54
  in freeing yourself,
• 2:20:56
  the whole thing that we're trying to do, and this is the one that
• 2:20:59
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:21:00
  put it another way. This is their teeth and their only teeth.
• 2:21:06
  Unknown: Yeah. So this is you've got all these excellent students. They have all this knowledge.
• 2:21:13
  And
• 2:21:14
  one of the reasons why I'd wanna do a consultation with you so that we could nail it down harder, but I know that we can get to the bottom of it. Now I know that you gotta give them a w eight b e n and all this and that.
• 2:21:28
  But
• 2:21:29
  if you've ever been on nationalstatus.info
• 2:21:32
  David Spring's web site, you can see his treasury check where he got his
• 2:21:37
  past tax year back because he did a revocation. He tells you how to do it and everything.
• 2:21:42
  But I I got sidetracked because I learned from another student about doing LLCs and distributing funds to yourself and not having to pay them anyway.
• 2:21:50
  But then I also heard that you have to in order to not pay taxes, you have to do a revocation. You'll have to pay taxes if you don't do a revocation.
• 2:21:58
  So I just wanna nail it down hard. That's all. And I yield. Victor.
• 2:22:02
  Victor.
• 2:22:04
  Unknown: Victor, you can
• 2:22:07
  you can
• 2:22:09
  be
• 2:22:10
  a corporation
• 2:22:11
  or a l limited liability company or a trust.
• 2:22:16
  And you might have to file tax returns, which is called reporting.
• 2:22:21
  But there's ways not to have to pay any liabilities
• 2:22:25
  if you structure them properly.
• 2:22:28
  So yes, it might be a pain in the butt. You got to report. You got to file a tax return. If you learn TurboTax,
• 2:22:35
  you can do them yourself. Otherwise, you're going to have to hire somebody.
• 2:22:39
  But there are ways to
• 2:22:41
  if you have an LLC
• 2:22:43
  and it's an S Corp and you have to file taxes,
• 2:22:47
  if you yourself file a revocation of election with the IRS and you're a non taxpayer
• 2:22:52
  and you distribute the earnings out of that to yourself, yeah, you're going to file a tax return as an S Corp LLC,
• 2:22:59
  but you're not going to pay any taxes because you distributed them to yourself as an individual and you're a non tax payer.
• 2:23:06
  Unknown: Correct. And if I remember right, one of the fellow students said that
• 2:23:11
  you have to do the revocation to not be liable for the tax. You have to do the revocation first.
• 2:23:17
  Unknown: You have to do a revocation of election with the IRS. Yes. But hold And David Kates have
• 2:23:25
  Unknown: Victor, when they tell you that, what definition are they using?
• 2:23:30
  My point.
• 2:23:31
  Unknown: It
• 2:23:32
  Unknown: it's the official revocation of election from the IRS. It's it's There's a form there's a form that says revocation of election, or is this something white Harris people grew up? Or what? Roger,
• 2:23:45
  Unknown: it's one of three forms that Dave and Kay have on their West website, nationalstatus.info.
• 2:23:51
  They have
• 2:23:53
  an SEDM
• 2:23:55
  four pager.
• 2:23:56
  They have your one pager,
• 2:23:58
  and then they also have a white Paris 13 pager.
• 2:24:01
  And they have AI, you put your information in it, spits out a cover letter. Now, I can tell you for a fact, because I'm in another group with thousands of students,
• 2:24:11
  that you
• 2:24:13
  don't have to file an affidavit of citizenship evidence with the Secretary of State if you don't want to. And I can also tell you for a fact that there are
• 2:24:23
  so many people who haven't filed taxes for ten, fifteen years. And I start getting letters from the IRS, and they're filing the 13 pager Weiss Paris one on Dave and Kay's website,
• 2:24:34
  and that applies
• 2:24:36
  retroactive.
• 2:24:38
  And it even cancels payment plans that you have with the IRS.
• 2:24:43
  I was shocked
• 2:24:44
  when I learned about this, and I have the proof
• 2:24:47
  because on the private group I'm a member of, they went to irf.gov
• 2:24:52
  and they entered their ID. Me and they showed you in the back end of the database their account. And it specifically says no tax returns due.
• 2:25:03
  So
• 2:25:04
  there's many ways to skin the cat.
• 2:25:07
  Roger's way is the simplest way because it's one page. It's a couple it's four sentences, five, six sentences, and you're done. But other people like Anna Gone Wrong, her her
• 2:25:20
  revocation of election has worked for some of her students as well. David Strait, not the one that Roger knew and who he accolades in the in the forward of his book from from
• 2:25:31
  surf to sovereign or whatever, sovereign surf.
• 2:25:34
  That
• 2:25:34
  one that that's that's a different David Strait, but the one that recently passed has his own revocation of election networks for people. It's a matter of what one you wanna choose. All the people here on Roger's show have used his, and it's worked. Yeah. Do we have some issues from time to time from the IRS come in, especially with the state?
• 2:25:53
  Do. We do.
• 2:25:54
  But yeah. We do. But at the end of the day,
• 2:25:58
  you know, they're they're clamoring for money right or for currency right now because so many people are opting out. You know
• 2:26:06
  Unknown: Thank you for Why ours works and theirs may or may not work
• 2:26:11
  is because we understand and can explain how it works.
• 2:26:17
  They can't.
• 2:26:19
  That's the difference.
• 2:26:22
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:26:23
  Unknown: Okay. I yield the best. That's the best word. I mean, you can even go I'm gonna tell you. Hold it, Victor. I'm a tell you because I you know more about this evidently than I do. So I'm gonna tell you to to take whichever one of those approaches that really resonates with you and take it.
• 2:26:40
  K? Yes. You're right. It's the end of the process
• 2:26:46
  and their teeth. This is where they're attaching you to a hypothecated
• 2:26:51
  fraudulent debt that you can never pay off or your grandkids
• 2:26:55
  or your progeny for generations.
• 2:26:57
  You're removing yourself from that. And since that was the object of their whole deal, they don't like it, but they don't can't do anything about it. Nobody's coming and getting houses seized,
• 2:27:09
  cars seized,
• 2:27:10
  wages garnished.
• 2:27:12
  None of those things are happening or even getting along the path.
• 2:27:17
  Because you see, here's a misconception of folks that don't know this stuff. They think the IRS just snaps their fingers and goes and starts grabbing shit.
• 2:27:25
  Well, that ain't the way it works.
• 2:27:27
  Because of who they are and what's going on, they've got a very established process
• 2:27:32
  that they have to take.
• 2:27:35
  That one that's one of the only ways we've been able to beat them is in process violations.
• 2:27:41
  They didn't do something they're supposed to or they did it wrong or whatever. That's where all of our patriot wins or many of them. We don't get patriot wins on law for god's sakes. We get it on process and procedure.
• 2:27:55
  So they got a whole bunch of that, and it would probably take them
• 2:27:59
  two years or more to get to you.
• 2:28:02
  They got and they're trying. They're going, hey. Hey, Victor. Please pay this and get back to the system. You're sticking out there. Our bosses don't like it. They want me to hammer the nail. Please let me hammer you. Please let me hammer you. Get back to the system, then I can go to somebody else. That's what's going on.
• 2:28:22
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:28:23
  Just for your information, Roger, I have followed your affidavit process
• 2:28:28
  to the letter from the beginning, and here I am at the end of the line. And
• 2:28:33
  thank god for Julie and Larry and others.
• 2:28:36
  Yeah. I just wanna nail them down and hope Mhmm. Yeah. And I'm hoping that hoping that it helps you also.
• 2:28:44
  Unknown: Well, since you're just getting back in the stream of things, Victor, and you're appreciating what we got here,
• 2:28:50
  and since you haven't been here, do you know what we're trying to do with Paul?
• 2:28:54
  We're trying to get Paul out of New York.
• 2:28:57
  Okay.
• 2:28:58
  Well, if you can contribute anything to that, we'd appreciate it. I didn't know if you knew about it or not. Okay?
• 2:29:04
  Unknown: So Yep. It's been done already.
• 2:29:06
  Unknown: Thank you very much. Okay.
• 2:29:09
  Thank you, Victor. Welcome home. Bienvenidos.
• 2:29:12
  Hey, Roger. Alright. Hold on. So I think it's Larry. Is that you, Larry?
• 2:29:17
  Unknown: Yeah. So,
• 2:29:18
  you know, this whole
• 2:29:21
  business about, you know,
• 2:29:23
  researching things
• 2:29:25
  that has to do with our national status, it's an ongoing thing.
• 2:29:29
  When
• 2:29:30
  I
• 2:29:31
  come upon new information,
• 2:29:34
  I tend to adjust
• 2:29:35
  my belief system.
• 2:29:37
  And so
• 2:29:39
  I used to
• 2:29:41
  believe that 6013
• 2:29:43
  gs
• 2:29:45
  was meant for us. That's what revocation of election is based on,
• 2:29:49
  where you can terminate the election. It's permanent. It says it right
• 2:29:54
  in in the the statute that it's permanent. And
• 2:29:57
  and the IRS website
• 2:30:00
  Unknown: Is that a regulation or a statute? Is that a regulation or statute? It's statute.
• 2:30:06
  Unknown: And so Okay. The thing is, I've come to find out that you know? And I've always known this.
• 2:30:12
  The way the way I was trying to apply it was
• 2:30:15
  that the nonresident alien
• 2:30:18
  American national or national is hidden behind
• 2:30:22
  the nonresident alien foreign national because sixty thirteen g
• 2:30:27
  is explicitly dealing with
• 2:30:29
  the foreign nationals. So it's the foreign nationals
• 2:30:33
  that once they terminate the election, they can never go back in.
• 2:30:37
  That's not true for us, however.
• 2:30:41
  I think that's why
• 2:30:44
  John LaFarmer Garland was
• 2:30:46
  able to
• 2:30:47
  go back to contributing to the IRS
• 2:30:51
  because
• 2:30:52
  that whole revocation of election process,
• 2:30:55
  like I said, it was always meant for the foreign national. Once they terminate the election,
• 2:31:01
  then it's no longer
• 2:31:03
  applicable
• 2:31:04
  to them. They don't have to file any more income tax
• 2:31:08
  forms,
• 2:31:09
  returns.
• 2:31:10
  And the the thing is they can never go back in and make the election again.
• 2:31:16
  It's permanent. It's forever. And it says that right on the IRS website.
• 2:31:20
  It uses the word forever.
• 2:31:23
  So, anyway,
• 2:31:28
  what
• 2:31:30
  I've found is most
• 2:31:33
  tax
• 2:31:34
  court convictions
• 2:31:36
  have been prosecuted
• 2:31:38
  on the regulation that you
• 2:31:40
  I would say just virtually every one of them
• 2:31:43
  have been the the defendants
• 2:31:45
  have been
• 2:31:47
  convicted
• 2:31:48
  on that that regulation that you often quote because they did not prove they were
• 2:31:53
  not a citizen or resident of The United States.
• 2:31:57
  And the judges, they go by the regulations.
• 2:31:59
  They don't go by the statutes.
• 2:32:01
  They convict on that regulation 1.1
• 2:32:04
  dash one a,
• 2:32:05
  and they they will look at the defendant and say, you are a US citizen or resident, aren't you? And they will say, yes. I am. Well, therefore, you're guilty.
• 2:32:15
  Unknown: The one so Vermont. The Browns are the one years ago. They a couple got up there, and I just heard a while back that came up. Somebody was discussing it, and that's what they convicted them on. The US prosecutor came in and said, according to your passport application, you're a citizen of The United States.
• 2:32:34
  Bam.
• 2:32:35
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:32:36
  And so I think what Victor was referring to is something that I've always advocated for, and it was based on a flowchart I found on the IRS website.
• 2:32:46
  And it had to do with nonresident alien foreign nationals.
• 2:32:50
  And it talks about how if it's proven that they are not a citizen or resident of The United States,
• 2:32:56
  then the agent
• 2:32:58
  that is that is addressing their account
• 2:33:01
  must suspend the account.
• 2:33:04
  And if the if the nonresident alien
• 2:33:09
  if it's shown that they submitted a statement
• 2:33:14
  in which they provided a revocation of election, a short statement,
• 2:33:19
  then the agent is instructed to terminate the account.
• 2:33:23
  So that goes back that flowchart is basically
• 2:33:27
  pointing you back to sixty thirteen g in the statutes,
• 2:33:31
  26 United States code
• 2:33:33
  sixty thirteen g,
• 2:33:35
  and the flowchart is based upon all of the law that is in that statute.
• 2:33:40
  And like I said, it all has to do with nonresident alien foreign nationals,
• 2:33:45
  not an American national. I've always been led to believe, you know, I've come to my own conclusions that, well, maybe they're hiding us behind the nonresident alien foreign national,
• 2:33:55
  and so we can use sixty thirteen g
• 2:33:58
  and make it applicable.
• 2:34:00
  And, therefore, if we terminate the election, it's forever, and you can never go back in. But I don't see that anymore. I think it is it's exclusively
• 2:34:08
  dealing with the foreign national,
• 2:34:10
  and you can
• 2:34:12
  volunteer
• 2:34:14
  money to the IRS,
• 2:34:16
  you know, either way.
• 2:34:17
  And I think your your process is what is solid. Once you prove to the IRS that you're no longer a US citizen or resident according to 26 CFR
• 2:34:28
  1.1
• 2:34:29
  dash one a,
• 2:34:30
  then they have no jurisdiction over you.
• 2:34:34
  Unknown: That's what I wanna talk to you about, Larry. I'll call you after shows off.
• 2:34:39
  So
• 2:34:41
  Unknown: okay. Anybody else got something? Well, I I I agree with I
• 2:34:46
  Unknown: comment? Agree with, yes. You agree with, mister Larry?
• 2:34:50
  Unknown: Absolutely.
• 2:34:51
  He and I've had discussions about this, off air, and we've gone over that W-8BEN
• 2:34:57
  form a million times with all of the instructions on there as well. And they're hiding the IRS in our opinion.
• 2:35:04
  They're doing more equivocation than we have ever really realized. And I'm with Larry. I'm always trying to learn new things. It's like
• 2:35:12
  Mark always comes on the show and says, If you invest in individual stock yourself
• 2:35:18
  and you get dividend income, that is U. S. Sourced income. That is actually 1000%
• 2:35:23
  incorrect. It has to be a federally chartered corporation.
• 2:35:27
  And if it's not a federally chartered corporation, it's not U. S. Based. Yes, it's not U. S. Based, it's not U. S. Sourced income.
• 2:35:34
  So
• 2:35:35
  we always need to be questioning what we're reading and what we're learning and trying to figure out what other tricks are they trying to hide behind these words
• 2:35:45
  just like they do on the passport, Roger, because
• 2:35:49
  it's just that W H B E N typically states on the very front page of
• 2:35:54
  the W-8BEN
• 2:35:55
  that you have to withhold 30%
• 2:35:58
  of income
• 2:35:59
  from capital gains, from interest income, from banks,
• 2:36:03
  from
• 2:36:04
  all sorts of
• 2:36:06
  what they define as income,
• 2:36:09
  but those are for foreign nationals. We're not a foreign national. We're an American national. That doesn't apply to us.
• 2:36:15
  Unknown: Greetings. If you care about pronunciation,
• 2:36:18
  Unknown: it's applicable, not applicable accents on first syllable. This is Yeah. And then we don't need we got myrrh. We don't need the pronunciation police. See you, Ferris.
• 2:36:29
  Unknown: Goodbye,
• 2:36:30
  Barry.
• 2:36:31
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:36:32
  Anyway
• 2:36:33
  Unknown: And it's applicable,
• 2:36:35
  mister Ferry.
• 2:36:36
  Unknown: Oh, come on. Don't let's not get all this started.
• 2:36:39
  Unknown: I can't stand him.
• 2:36:42
  He's such a hater.
• 2:36:44
  Unknown: Well, he just usually
• 2:36:46
  I I mean, like I said, we got Murr here. She's generally the pronunciation police, and she was first.
• 2:36:52
  So,
• 2:36:53
  anyway, potato, potahto, tomato, tomato.
• 2:36:57
  I'll see you tomorrow.
• 2:36:59
  Unknown: Yeah. And I wanna I'm gonna say to you, banyo banyo.
• 2:37:03
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Banyo.
• 2:37:05
  Banyo.
• 2:37:06
  Unknown: Banyo banyo.
• 2:37:08
  Unknown: Banyo banyo. Yeah. I guess so. Is that his and hers?
• 2:37:12
  Unknown: No. Unless you're playing De Banjo in De Banjo. Oh,
• 2:37:17
  Unknown: man. You gotta have a big banjo for that. Okay. Who's anybody for me or I'm leaving?
• 2:37:24
  I'll see you tomorrow.
• 2:37:25
  Have a good day. Good to have you back, Victor. Ciao.
• 2:37:41
  Unknown: It got awfully quiet.
• 2:37:46
  Unknown: Yeah. If you don't.
• 2:37:51
  Unknown: Yeah. It's a a comment
• 2:37:57
  With all your knowledge, Julie and Larry
• 2:38:01
  and others,
• 2:38:03
  this in my opinion,
• 2:38:05
  if we could nail this down concrete
• 2:38:08
  in some kind of instruction
• 2:38:10
  document
• 2:38:11
  where where where at least a few of us agree, a few of you agree,
• 2:38:15
  I think it would help everybody because I've I've done Roger's process from the beginning,
• 2:38:20
  and here I am getting ready to go back to work.
• 2:38:23
  And I wanna hand these hand the HR person the proper form.
• 2:38:29
  And and, yes, of course, I am gonna go back and get money back. That's not the whole reason I'm doing it, but, yes, I would like to recover money that I donated while I was a national.
• 2:38:39
  So I yield on that. It would just be great if we could nail it down permanently,
• 2:38:44
  and I yield.
• 2:38:49
  Unknown: This is for Ferris.
• 2:38:53
  Unknown: Applicable.
• 2:38:56
  Unknown: He's he's
• 2:38:58
  not here anymore.
• 2:38:59
  He's gonna
• 2:39:02
  Unknown: listen to the recording call. He has nothing better to do in his life, so I want him to have the last laugh.
• 2:39:08
  Unknown: There is no recording for him because he dials in through an anonymous phone,
• 2:39:14
  and there is no playback number that he can listen to.
• 2:39:22
  So
• 2:39:24
  Unknown: Can I say something? This is
• 2:39:27
  Unknown: Yeah. Heikka.
• 2:39:28
  Unknown: How are you? Hey. Hey. I'm going through very good. I've been listening all morning because, you know, I'm working on the affidavit and all this stuff, And it gets more and more confusing,
• 2:39:39
  you know, as people call in. You know? So
• 2:39:43
  Wow. So, yeah, I just wanted to thank you guys, you know, because, you know, I do learn. You know? And,
• 2:39:51
  Lisa, is
• 2:39:53
  there a way to contact you? Through Telegram or something like that? I don't think Lisa is here today.
• 2:40:00
  Unknown: I think she's playing grandma. Talking?
• 2:40:03
  That's Julie.
• 2:40:05
  Unknown: Who? That was Julie. Oh, Julie. Yeah. Yeah. Is Judy
• 2:40:09
  reachable somehow
• 2:40:10
  through Telegram
• 2:40:12
  with questions?
• 2:40:13
  Unknown: Oh, you could give her my my contact information, Paul.
• 2:40:18
  Unknown: I don't know if I
• 2:40:21
  Unknown: don't know if I have Okay. Her contact
• 2:40:24
  Unknown: Tell you what. Send me send
• 2:40:27
  me an email
• 2:40:28
  at p g bienergmail
• 2:40:31
  dot com.
• 2:40:32
  P g b I e
• 2:40:35
  n e r. Yes.
• 2:40:37
  Send me an email. Oh, can you say And I will Yeah. P g b
• 2:40:41
  I e Wait. Wait. N e r.
• 2:40:45
  Unknown: Oh, okay. Look. Man, I'm so sorry. What is what is the first letter T?
• 2:40:51
  You had to hear.
• 2:40:52
  Unknown: It's OPPop
• 2:40:54
  Papa
• 2:40:55
  Yeah.
• 2:40:58
  GolfGolf.
• 2:41:02
  Bravo.
• 2:41:04
  Unknown: Bravo.
• 2:41:05
  Unknown: PGP. India. India.
• 2:41:09
  Echo.
• 2:41:12
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:41:14
  Unknown: November.
• 2:41:16
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Got it. Echo.
• 2:41:22
  Unknown: Romeo.
• 2:41:25
  Unknown: Alright. Yeah. That's Bina. That's okay. PgBina@what?
• 2:41:29
  Unknown: At Gmail? At Gmail dot com.
• 2:41:32
  Unknown: Yeah. I
• 2:41:34
  Unknown: will look to do that. I will look for it. Just just put in the subject line all caps for Julie,
• 2:41:41
  and then I will forward your email right off to her. Okay?
• 2:41:45
  Unknown: Okay. I will do that. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Yep.
• 2:41:51
  Unknown: You're welcome. I already get 300 emails a day. Why not? You know? So it's it's obviously no secret to anybody what my email address is.
• 2:42:01
  Unknown: So You know? And and I do have a quick question. So so my son is now working
• 2:42:07
  as an independent contractor.
• 2:42:09
  Right?
• 2:42:10
  Yeah. And
• 2:42:11
  he gets
• 2:42:13
  so he doesn't pay any taxes to his employer. Right?
• 2:42:17
  Right. And so he has to file his he has to file his own taxes.
• 2:42:21
  And so
• 2:42:23
  does he have you know, I was just listening, and somebody said, like, an LLC.
• 2:42:29
  Does he have to,
• 2:42:33
  you know, make his own LLC to avoid paying taxes?
• 2:42:37
  I'm now confused. No.
• 2:42:40
  Right? No.
• 2:42:43
  Unknown: Well Right? It it just depends on if it his
• 2:42:47
  it depends on if his employer
• 2:42:51
  is going to want him to file an I nine
• 2:42:55
  Unknown: or a w nine. What is it called? Oh,
• 2:42:58
  a w nine?
• 2:43:00
  Unknown: Yes. Bully. Either
• 2:43:02
  Unknown: one of those either one of those documents
• 2:43:05
  is agreeing to be
• 2:43:08
  is agreeing to file a tax return,
• 2:43:11
  you know, agreeing to pay taxes. No.
• 2:43:15
  Unknown: I don't think they have given him anything.
• 2:43:18
  They were just saying
• 2:43:20
  that
• 2:43:21
  to write things off, he could Well, I had to inform
• 2:43:25
  his
• 2:43:26
  Unknown: tax myself today today because
• 2:43:29
  I have to be looking in my camera camera. You're not
• 2:43:33
  Unknown: needed.
• 2:43:34
  Unknown: Trash truck coming up the street. So I got right up and I went out there. It it was heavy. It was hard to get up there up there. And and I got up there as the truck was arrived because it because it it looked like it just picked up picked up
• 2:43:50
  the browns
• 2:43:53
  and went up the street and picked up an up.
• 2:44:00
  Unknown: Got that taken care of.
• 2:44:04
  Unknown: Sorry, Paul. That was funny. Yeah,
• 2:44:08
  Unknown: well, maybe he got the message that he was unmuted
• 2:44:12
  because he got removed from the room. You know,
• 2:44:20
  that is the standard operating procedure. If your mute is open and you're having a side conversation
• 2:44:25
  and you're making noise interfering,
• 2:44:29
  you'll just be removed. We're not going to mute you anymore, we're just going to remove you. You can call back in
• 2:44:35
  and then make sure you're muted when you call back.
• 2:44:39
  So anyways,
• 2:44:41
  okay.
• 2:44:43
  What they're probably going to do is they're probably going to send a ten ninety nine
• 2:44:48
  into the IRS,
• 2:44:50
  and
• 2:44:54
  then the IRS is going to be sending a confirmatory writing to him, oh, we noticed we have we have a 1099 for you, but we don't have a tax return.
• 2:45:04
  If you've already filled that out and sent it in, please disregard this notice. If not,
• 2:45:11
  please do so,
• 2:45:12
  you know, all that shit. Yeah. And then at that point, then he can just
• 2:45:18
  send a note back to
• 2:45:20
  the IRS with his affidavit
• 2:45:23
  and a cover letter saying,
• 2:45:26
  please
• 2:45:27
  refer to the attached
• 2:45:30
  affidavit of citizenship evidence
• 2:45:33
  and the attached revocation of election.
• 2:45:38
  Unknown: What? What is that?
• 2:45:40
  Unknown: Tax The revocation.
• 2:45:42
  Unknown: I don't understand.
• 2:45:43
  Unknown: Revocation of what? Rev Yeah. The revocation of election form.
• 2:45:48
  If he's all done paying taxes, if he's done paying taxes, he might as well send a revocation of election form into the IRS.
• 2:45:56
  And there's no better time to do it than when he's already been issued a ten ninety nine from his employer.
• 2:46:04
  Unknown: Well, she How about getting a ten ninety nine. How how about getting ahead of everything
• 2:46:09
  and do it now?
• 2:46:12
  Unknown: You could do it now.
• 2:46:14
  Yeah. You do a revocation of election because
• 2:46:18
  right. You go ahead. No. Brent is absolutely right. He can do it now. He can send a copy of his affidavit and the revocation of election form into the IRS,
• 2:46:28
  and then they can make a note in their system, and then when they receive a ten ninety nine from his employer, and you know
• 2:46:37
  they're going to,
• 2:46:39
  then
• 2:46:40
  all he has to do is send them copies of what he already sent them before
• 2:46:46
  in response to any letter they
• 2:46:49
  may send him.
• 2:46:52
  Unknown: Right. So we are actually still working on this affidavit.
• 2:46:56
  I I I get con a little bit confused because there's an affidavit on thematrix.com,
• 2:47:03
  and then there is one
• 2:47:05
  on the telegram.
• 2:47:07
  So so we are still working on it, but I'm hoping, you know, we will
• 2:47:11
  send it in next week.
• 2:47:13
  Unknown: Well, if you're finding one on okay. If you're finding one on Telegram, that's Mirka's playground.
• 2:47:19
  And she Yeah. She exercises
• 2:47:22
  the ultimate
• 2:47:24
  matriarchical
• 2:47:25
  control over that, and I have not seen that affidavit. I know nothing about it. So I cannot answer any questions about anything on Mirka's telegram group. That is her deal,
• 2:47:37
  and I am hands off.
• 2:47:40
  Unknown: Oh, okay. Well, I'm just learning the ropes here, and that's why I'm saying, you know, know Right. I'm I'm
• 2:47:47
  looking at all the information, you know, and I'm trying to decide,
• 2:47:52
  you know, which one we want to use and how to go about it. You see? That's where the confusion comes in,
• 2:47:58
  and you just clarified it, so I'm really grateful for that. Thank you.
• 2:48:03
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, I just don't know anything about that affidavit,
• 2:48:07
  and there isn't any fluff or
• 2:48:10
  fuss
• 2:48:11
  or muss required.
• 2:48:13
  You know, the one sentence
• 2:48:18
  on where is it?
• 2:48:21
  It is my intent to
• 2:48:23
  be a national and not a citizen of The United States. I had it's basically one sentence.
• 2:48:30
  That's it. That's all it needs. Right.
• 2:48:33
  Unknown: Right. And and that is the affidavit we already have notarized.
• 2:48:38
  But then I stumbled
• 2:48:40
  after we had it already notarized
• 2:48:42
  because, you know, I'm German, and and we are, like, to the tee, and we wanna know everything. And sometimes
• 2:48:49
  that's a drawback. We may make things a little bit too complicated.
• 2:48:54
  But
• 2:48:55
  there is that that one code
• 2:48:59
  which I found
• 2:49:01
  somewhere, probably not on Rogers.
• 2:49:04
  I I don't know. And that's what I called in the other day,
• 2:49:08
  and it had this
• 2:49:10
  this code from the IRS on the bottom if I need to put that in.
• 2:49:16
  And now I can't find it. That CRF
• 2:49:19
  code.
• 2:49:23
  Unknown: CFR, code of federal regulations?
• 2:49:26
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:49:28
  Somewhere it was suggested
• 2:49:31
  that that should be put
• 2:49:33
  on the affidavit of citizenship.
• 2:49:37
  Unknown: Okay. That's probably that was probably suggested by Mirka,
• 2:49:42
  so you would have to ask her that.
• 2:49:45
  Unknown: Right. Right. See, that's why I got so confused.
• 2:49:49
  I didn't know
• 2:49:51
  that you guys are there and this is over here. Right? So Yeah. Now Mirka Mirka's got her own playground.
• 2:49:58
  Unknown: She's got her own playground, and she's got her own way of doing things.
• 2:50:01
  Unknown: One sentence.
• 2:50:04
  One sentence.
• 2:50:05
  The less you have, the less to rebut rebut.
• 2:50:10
  Unknown: Right. I wish I could find it.
• 2:50:14
  How can I not find it?
• 2:50:22
  Unknown: It's a sign of the police. Yeah.
• 2:50:27
  Unknown: Well, if I find it, I'll chime in again if you guys are not gone.
• 2:50:33
  Retention.
• 2:50:34
  Unknown: What's that? Your affidavit?
• 2:50:36
  Unknown: Yeah. So we had it already all written up and and all ready to go.
• 2:50:42
  And then I you know what? I'm going to my computer, and it's right there. And then I stumble about
• 2:50:48
  another affidavit,
• 2:50:51
  and I don't I cannot even remember where I got it from.
• 2:50:56
  Let let me read you this.
• 2:50:58
  Okay.
• 2:51:00
  So there is an affidavit, and it doesn't even have a jurat. That's why I was like, this is really, really strange.
• 2:51:08
  Wait here. I find it here.
• 2:51:11
  There is this one affidavit
• 2:51:13
  which says,
• 2:51:15
  as the okay. Which has on the on on the bottom of declaring a person a national
• 2:51:22
  as defined the term national status is identified
• 2:51:26
  at 26 c f r one one
• 2:51:30
  dash one a as a nonresident
• 2:51:32
  area.
• 2:51:36
  Unknown: Yeah. It doesn't need a GRAD as long as it's
• 2:51:39
  signed and sworn to before a notary.
• 2:51:45
  Unknown: No. No. But
• 2:51:47
  one of the affidavits is really short. There is only one sentence. Right? You wanna hear mine? I'll get mine if you wanna hear it.
• 2:51:56
  Unknown: Do we wanna give her a third one? Do we wanna give her another one to confuse her?
• 2:52:02
  Unknown: It's one sentence. It's the one sentence they offer. I only thing I changed was from being duly sworn to being affirmed by god.
• 2:52:13
  Unknown: You want to have the affidavit itself
• 2:52:16
  and then there's your notification
• 2:52:18
  letters
• 2:52:19
  that are going to be slightly different to the secretary of state and the one to the IRS.
• 2:52:26
  The one to the IRS,
• 2:52:28
  I would have the 26
• 2:52:31
  CFR in there
• 2:52:33
  and, you know, 1.1
• 2:52:35
  dash one one
• 2:52:37
  a.
• 2:52:38
  Unknown: Yes. Exactly. Exactly. You just nailed it. That was my my question.
• 2:52:44
  Has that twenty six year of code,
• 2:52:47
  does that have to show up in the affidavit
• 2:52:50
  of citizenship
• 2:52:51
  evidence?
• 2:52:52
  Unknown: It it needs to be on the
• 2:52:56
  Cover letter. The on the cover letter. Yeah.
• 2:52:59
  Unknown: To the IRS. What also what also has to be on the cover letter
• 2:53:04
  or the affidavit
• 2:53:06
  at the top is lawful legal notice not to be considered
• 2:53:11
  a filing.
• 2:53:15
  Unknown: Well, that is to the IRS.
• 2:53:17
  Unknown: Yeah. That's to the IRS, but it might as well be on both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It might it might as well be on every affidavit you send
• 2:53:26
  Unknown: because it doesn't trying to find you.
• 2:53:29
  Unknown: State department isn't gonna know what you're talking about. Yeah. Whereas,
• 2:53:34
  Unknown: you know I'm getting well well confused.
• 2:53:37
  Unknown: Yeah. But definitely in the cover letters,
• 2:53:40
  you know, are the one to IRS
• 2:53:42
  have their stuff in there.
• 2:53:46
  Unknown: I got What there's
• 2:53:49
  no way.
• 2:53:51
  Unknown: What you wanna have on the
• 2:53:54
  affidavit
• 2:53:55
  is
• 2:53:56
  what is that thing?
• 2:54:00
  The thing
• 2:54:02
  Unknown: Notice the principal. Notice the agent.
• 2:54:04
  Unknown: The header. No. No. No. That's in the cover letter.
• 2:54:09
  Unknown: I'm talking about considered a filing?
• 2:54:12
  Unknown: No. I'm talking about that book where you're you make your own determination.
• 2:54:19
  I forgot the name of it now.
• 2:54:24
  What's that, guys? It's it's The Kell's law of nation?
• 2:54:27
  Yes.
• 2:54:29
  You wanna have,
• 2:54:31
  Unknown: you know, that line in The right to self your right to self determination. Julie
• 2:54:37
  Unknown: Julie,
• 2:54:38
  hang on. Nobody can concentrate when you're finishing their sentence.
• 2:54:44
  Unknown: He needed my help. He was saying, what is that sentence? What is that sentence? I was trying to help him, Paul. And you are my niggifix and other.
• 2:54:54
  If you like that more. And Brent is and Brent is and Brent is my buddy.
• 2:54:59
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 2:55:00
  Unknown: Okay. But not that way. But
• 2:55:03
  Unknown: we are buddies.
• 2:55:09
  Unknown: Okay, girlfriend.
• 2:55:11
  Alright.
• 2:55:16
  Micah, did you have you seen my affidavit?
• 2:55:21
  Unknown: Is
• 2:55:23
  that on the matrix?
• 2:55:25
  Unknown: No. No. It's on note it's on notice.paulbiner.com.
• 2:55:31
  Unknown: Oh, let me write that down.
• 2:55:33
  Unknown: Notice very little correction.
• 2:55:36
  Unknown: Notice.paulbiner.com.
• 2:55:54
  And Beaner is spelled the same as it is in my email address.
• 2:55:59
  Unknown: Right. Notice.paulbeaner.com.
• 2:56:04
  Unknown: Yeah. Go to notice.paulbeaner.com.
• 2:56:11
  Did you bring it up? Check that out. Oh,
• 2:56:14
  do you want me to look right now? I will. You can look you can look right now if you want.
• 2:56:21
  Unknown: Notice.
• 2:56:33
  There we go. Thinking.
• 2:56:41
  You're on LinkedIn.
• 2:56:47
  Unknown: I don't Did you bring it up?
• 2:56:49
  Unknown: No.
• 2:56:53
  Unknown: It's not doing this.
• 2:56:58
  Guess I'll have to check that out later because
• 2:57:04
  Unknown: I want Talk right into the phone. You.
• 2:57:07
  Unknown: No. I'm
• 2:57:09
  Unknown: not Talk right into
• 2:57:11
  the phone. I'm having trouble hearing you.
• 2:57:14
  Unknown: Oh, I don't do that. You don't know how
• 2:57:18
  No.
• 2:57:21
  I cannot pull it up right now. I'm
• 2:57:24
  I'm sorry.
• 2:57:25
  Unknown: What's it doing?
• 2:57:28
  Unknown: Is it did you It's giving me something totally different.
• 2:57:32
  No. I'm trying to pull up
• 2:57:35
  an affidavit I had to create it and then delete it, and I think it was the best one that
• 2:57:42
  I trained.
• 2:57:44
  Unknown: Alright. Well, go to But I go to go to a web browser, go to the location bar,
• 2:57:50
  not the Google, and don't do a Google search for it. Just go directly to where you can type in a web address.
• 2:57:58
  Unknown: Oh, I wouldn't even know how to do that. Believe me.
• 2:58:03
  Unknown: You don't have a browser?
• 2:58:07
  I don't know. Gotta have a browser.
• 2:58:09
  Unknown: This stuff for a while. I know. I do. I He needs to go for a walk in the woods woods.
• 2:58:15
  Unknown: Oh, okay. Let me put it in. Wouldbenice.com.
• 2:58:22
  Unknown: Hey, Paul.
• 2:58:24
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:58:26
  Unknown: Yeah. The ad from Michigan.
• 2:58:28
  I couldn't pull it up when I did a duck duck go search.
• 2:58:32
  See it. But when I typed it directly into the
• 2:58:36
  Unknown: address line, it went right to it. That's that's what I said. You put it you put it in the address bar.
• 2:58:43
  You don't use Google. You don't use DuckDuckGo.
• 2:58:49
  Unknown: Yep. It popped up. I won't do it. Won't do it. Thanks. I'll I'll check it out, Paul. Popped up when I typed it into Brave Brave. Popped right up. Right.
• 2:58:58
  It's actually the address, so I got google.com
• 2:59:00
  and blah blah blah. So
• 2:59:04
  Unknown: I see what you got. I got in it. Yeah. And you sent
• 2:59:09
  see, my son is doing a passport application.
• 2:59:13
  Does this all go with the passport application?
• 2:59:18
  Unknown: Well, the affidavit does.
• 2:59:21
  Unknown: The affidavit. Oh, okay. So you just wanted me to look. Yeah. And do not let the postal person
• 2:59:28
  dissuade you because they're gonna try and say, what's this?
• 2:59:32
  And what does it hold on?
• 2:59:36
  Make sure it's in there.
• 2:59:39
  Unknown: Okay. So just as yours, Paul. The only thing the only thing that I would change on that, if you use that as
• 2:59:51
  if you use that as an example.
• 2:59:54
  Okay?
• 2:59:54
  The only thing I would change is
• 2:59:57
  I
• 2:59:58
  put
• 2:59:59
  U
• 3:00:00
  period S period national.
• 3:00:04
  I would just make that US, no periods.
• 3:00:11
  Unknown: US national.
• 3:00:14
  Unknown: No. My die my I would say my intention and desire to be a national of The United States.
• 3:00:25
  So replace US national with
• 3:00:29
  national of The United States,
• 3:00:33
  and proper name capitalization on United States, capital U, United capital S,
• 3:00:39
  dates.
• 3:00:40
  Unknown: Of The United States, but not The United States America.
• 3:00:44
  Unknown: Yeah, but not in but not in all caps.
• 3:00:47
  Don't put United States in all caps. Put it put it proper name
• 3:00:52
  capitalization.
• 3:00:53
  Capital united
• 3:00:55
  space capital s tates
• 3:00:58
  of capital a America.
• 3:01:02
  Unknown: Right, they're all capitalized.
• 3:01:04
  Unknown: Not all caps. Right.
• 3:01:07
  Unknown: No, no, no. Just the first letter. Only the first letter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Okay. Okay.
• 3:01:14
  Unknown: So basically it just says Thank you.
• 3:01:17
  Basically that affidavit covers
• 3:01:23
  you intend let's see,
• 3:01:26
  I Paul Gordon Beaner being duly sworn
• 3:01:28
  under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States Of America,
• 3:01:33
  so that's the without jurat,
• 3:01:36
  hereby declare my intention and desire to be a national of The United States Of America
• 3:01:42
  with unalienable God given constitutionally
• 3:01:45
  protected rights and not a US citizen of the all caps United States in a condition of voluntary servitude with limited civil rights under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:01:58
  As a national of The United States Of America,
• 3:02:01
  US national, get rid of The US
• 3:02:05
  national there,
• 3:02:07
  I am nonresident
• 3:02:09
  to the residency and alien to the condition of voluntary servitude of the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:02:14
  National status is deceptively identified at 26 CFR 1.1 dash one parentheses
• 3:02:21
  small a
• 3:02:22
  as a non resident alien
• 3:02:26
  under the universal declaration
• 3:02:28
  of human rights
• 3:02:30
  adopted by the UN General Assembly in 1948,
• 3:02:33
  all peoples have the right of self determination.
• 3:02:36
  By virtue of that right, they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social, and cultural development.
• 3:02:45
  I therefore
• 3:02:46
  declare myself to be a national of The USA,
• 3:02:52
  get rid of the U period s period national,
• 3:02:56
  of The USA owing allegiance to only Minnesota state, which was my birth state, so you can replace that with whatever state you're living in.
• 3:03:05
  I am not a federal citizen under the fourteenth amendment to the constitution of the all caps United States. I reserve the right to amend, correct, rescind or revoke this document at any time and or for any reason.
• 3:03:17
  So just get rid of any
• 3:03:20
  time the U Period s period appears before the word national. Just get rid of that.
• 3:03:27
  Unknown: Oh,
• 3:03:28
  so you and U S national and not U Period S national. Okay. No. No. Don't use US national because
• 3:03:36
  Unknown: some people consider
• 3:03:38
  some people refer
• 3:03:40
  US national to being synonymous with citizen, US citizen.
• 3:03:44
  So just get rid of The US altogether. It's just simply national
• 3:03:48
  or national of The United States Of America.
• 3:03:54
  Anywhere it says US national, get rid of that.
• 3:03:58
  Unknown: Right.
• 3:03:59
  Unknown: And
• 3:04:00
  I do intend to redo Okay. This
• 3:04:05
  Unknown: It is either national or a national of The United States Of America.
• 3:04:10
  Unknown: Right.
• 3:04:11
  Unknown: Right?
• 3:04:13
  Unknown: Yeah. And I do intend to redo this affidavit.
• 3:04:16
  However, this one has been seasoned since 2022,
• 3:04:21
  and I'm kind of reluctant to
• 3:04:24
  to
• 3:04:25
  replace it
• 3:04:27
  because
• 3:04:29
  it does have in the last paragraph
• 3:04:34
  oh yeah, so
• 3:04:36
  yeah, it's all wrong
• 3:04:39
  because I therefore declare myself to be a U Period S period national
• 3:04:44
  of The USA owing allegiance to only Minnesota state.
• 3:04:49
  Let me read mine.
• 3:04:52
  Yeah. I gotta get rid of
• 3:04:54
  I have to replace this document.
• 3:04:57
  I have to update it. Right. Right. Damn. Right.
• 3:05:00
  Damn that traffic jam.
• 3:05:03
  What?
• 3:05:06
  Unknown: Talking to Mary. She's forbidden.
• 3:05:09
  Unknown: We're both No. Well, let me I'll read it for sure for
• 3:05:13
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:05:15
  Unknown: I, Mary e Bailey, being affirmed by God, hereby declare my intention to be national but not a citizen of The United States,
• 3:05:25
  period. Period.
• 3:05:31
  Unknown: La dee da.
• 3:05:34
  Unknown: Damn right. Damn
• 3:05:37
  Unknown: straight.
• 3:05:39
  Unknown: Okay. Is that Mur? Mur?
• 3:05:41
  Unknown: I'm opening my document.
• 3:05:47
  Unknown: Murr is nothing but a show off.
• 3:05:50
  Unknown: She's not a show off.
• 3:05:53
  Unknown: Not more than a show off.
• 3:05:56
  Unknown: Murr is statue. This is Heikka.
• 3:06:01
  Unknown: What's that? What's that?
• 3:06:04
  Unknown: Is this Murr in the in the chat?
• 3:06:09
  Unknown: I don't think I put anything in the chat yet. What do you want?
• 3:06:12
  I am
• 3:06:14
  Unknown: so I'm on Telegram with this lady. That's you, Murrah. Right?
• 3:06:18
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:06:19
  Oh,
• 3:06:20
  okay. I'm not Mirka. I'm not Mirka. No. I see what you mean what you mean.
• 3:06:25
  Unknown: Oh, okay.
• 3:06:26
  Unknown: A mer. I was here before Mirka. Mirka.
• 3:06:30
  Unknown: Okay. Mirka
• 3:06:32
  is m x in the chat.
• 3:06:36
  Unknown: Let me see.
• 3:06:38
  Oh, okay.
• 3:06:39
  So there are two people with an m. It's Smoker and Mer.
• 3:06:44
  Yeah.
• 3:06:45
  Unknown: Yeah. And mine has a big capital m before it now because something messed up and whatever. It's capital m and then another M, lowercase, Mervaily.
• 3:06:54
  Unknown: Okay. Okay. So I I love you you two guys in one person. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Yeah. That happens a lot.
• 3:07:03
  Okay.
• 3:07:05
  Alright.
• 3:07:06
  Getting more clarification.
• 3:07:08
  Unknown: I appreciate it. I'm surprised you didn't say how dare you.
• 3:07:14
  Unknown: Me? Me? Yeah. Yeah. How dare me what? Ain't
• 3:07:19
  Unknown: her.
• 3:07:21
  Unknown: Kidding. No kidding. I said it obviously over.
• 3:07:24
  Unknown: Can I I say something? Can I read you this one affidavit which is here in front of me? And I think there might be a jurat missing. Do you mind if I read it out loud? Go for it.
• 3:07:38
  So I, and then the name,
• 3:07:41
  being affirmed by God under natural law in The United States Of America,
• 3:07:46
  hereby declare my intention and desire to be a national
• 3:07:50
  with god given secured rights and not a citizen of The United States
• 3:07:56
  in the condition of voluntary servitude with civil rights under the scope and pure view of the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:08:05
  As a national,
• 3:08:07
  I am a nonresident
• 3:08:09
  to the residency and alien to the condition of voluntary servitude
• 3:08:14
  of the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:08:17
  As defined, the term national status is identified at 26 CFR
• 3:08:22
  one one one a as a nonresident
• 3:08:25
  alien.
• 3:08:27
  I don't see a juror in this one.
• 3:08:30
  Am I see it correctly?
• 3:08:35
  Unknown: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. That sentence I gave you, I got from their own their
• 3:08:41
  own their
• 3:08:42
  you know, stuff. Actually,
• 3:08:45
  it was Alan that pointed it out on the page. And like I said, I only changed changed being
• 3:08:50
  affirmed by god rather than being duly sworn because I don't do swearing.
• 3:08:55
  Alright? Oh, okay. And that's not I see. That's all you need. You don't have to keep backing it up with everything else. You don't even have to mention the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:09:04
  See, this is the thing. People put all this stuff in there in there,
• 3:09:09
  and then they have to rebut it rebut it. Know? So that that you don't need it. Don't need it. Now Roger's saying you need to put more in there because you gotta be prepared to be pulled over by the locals and all that jazz.
• 3:09:21
  Well, one fellow that did all that, it was really good stuff and it went I think he even put it in the paper, whatever. It's a guy up in Michigan, not Dave, somebody else.
• 3:09:29
  And, they were like picking on him and his daughter and his wife and everybody else and trying to call him sovereign citizens.
• 3:09:36
  And, that's not what their their affidavit read at all, but it did read a whole lot of stuff.
• 3:09:43
  And so
• 3:09:45
  don't give him any any ammunition. That's all I'm saying I'm saying. Oh, okay.
• 3:09:54
  Unknown: Oh, okay.
• 3:09:57
  Yeah. Yeah. I'm still gathering information
• 3:10:00
  and trying to wrap my head around it. What's the best way to do it? Yeah. Here's the here's the cover I have.
• 3:10:07
  Unknown: And Charlie was here that day. It was thirty. I see Paul's was, July
• 3:10:12
  2022.
• 3:10:13
  So I went far behind.
• 3:10:16
  It was and I probably wouldn't have done it all like some people have never done it at all, but I needed it. And I was really glad to know that this
• 3:10:23
  existed
• 3:10:24
  because I live in let's say in a boat okay but my domicile
• 3:10:29
  is in New Jersey and so they're trying to get me from jury duty
• 3:10:33
  and I'm not going to anybody's jury duty because they're all messed up but now I know how to do it. So I sent that, and they said, nope. You can't come. And I also checked off that, nope. I'm not a citizen. I'm not a resident.
• 3:10:46
  So
• 3:10:47
  but the cover page I have here is notice to the agent is notice to the principal. Notice to the principal
• 3:10:55
  is notice to the agent
• 3:10:57
  nominees successors
• 3:10:59
  and assigns
• 3:11:01
  and
• 3:11:04
  then head of administrative records
• 3:11:07
  please find my notarized citizenship evidence enclosed.
• 3:11:11
  Place the citizenship evidence firmly and permanently
• 3:11:15
  in my administrative file. And I signed it. And I all I handprinted it. I didn't even print it out anywhere because I don't have any of that ability and
• 3:11:25
  it's fun. It's helped me find.
• 3:11:30
  Like I said, in the title
• 3:11:33
  that I read you before, it says affidavit of citizenship evidence and what I read you before.
• 3:11:37
  And then, of course, your name and the last four of your social, x's for the other numbers, and my birth date and birthplace,
• 3:11:45
  and then the
• 3:11:46
  notary's
• 3:11:47
  information.
• 3:11:49
  Okay.
• 3:11:50
  I'll hush now.
• 3:11:51
  Unknown: And
• 3:11:52
  can I get your name again? You are now Murr. Murr.
• 3:11:57
  Unknown: Mary. Mer.
• 3:11:59
  I go by Mer. I have the acronym of my initials. M e r Oh. Bailey.
• 3:12:04
  Unknown: Oh, that's Mary.
• 3:12:06
  And the other lady on telegram is?
• 3:12:09
  Unknown: Mirka, m I r k a.
• 3:12:13
  Unknown: Oh.
• 3:12:15
  Alright.
• 3:12:16
  Just just trying to
• 3:12:18
  Unknown: Tuck you guys all apart. I know what you mean.
• 3:12:21
  Unknown: Yep. Alrighty.
• 3:12:23
  Okay. Yeah. Well, that's good information. I really appreciate everything you guys do.
• 3:12:29
  Educating us, you know, and that's what's really needed, you know. So thank you so much.
• 3:12:37
  Unknown: There is a god
• 3:12:40
  because he only made one myrrh, and that's more than enough.
• 3:12:45
  Unknown: Thank you very much.
• 3:12:48
  Unknown: I didn't mean that in a good way.
• 3:12:51
  Unknown: Well, that's on you then, isn't it? Because we're each unique.
• 3:12:55
  Only one of you was made also.
• 3:12:58
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:12:59
  There's unique, and then there's this plain weird.
• 3:13:05
  Unknown: You're clearly weird, I'm remark. Just kidding,
• 3:13:08
  Unknown: Merg. Just kidding.
• 3:13:09
  Unknown: I'm a nice weird. I'm a nice nasty too, apparently.
• 3:13:15
  Unknown: Yes.
• 3:13:15
  You are. You are.
• 3:13:17
  Hey, Paul. When are you gonna finish with your version? I mean, you're you're gonna have it
• 3:13:22
  put up on the webs I mean, on the
• 3:13:25
  show notes or whatever?
• 3:13:27
  Unknown: I can put an example up there, but I can't modify
• 3:13:32
  the existing affidavit because it was a scan of a notarized document.
• 3:13:38
  So I can't modify
• 3:13:40
  that one that is
• 3:13:43
  online without
• 3:13:46
  neutering it.
• 3:13:49
  Okay. So I might have to We'll give you
• 3:13:53
  Unknown: we'll give you five minutes and and we'll we'll give you five minutes and then you're in trouble.
• 3:14:00
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, good luck enforcing that.
• 3:14:05
  Unknown: Sam, who the heck left you head, Nick?
• 3:14:15
  Unknown: Oh, hell no. You ain't got no n word pass.
• 3:14:19
  Unknown: It's only half of it.
• 3:14:21
  Unknown: I don't care.
• 3:14:22
  Unknown: What what did she say I missed that?
• 3:14:27
  Unknown: What we white girls used to say to each other in school, like, we're on the plantation who when they get real bossy,
• 3:14:33
  would say, who died and left you head, Nick?
• 3:14:40
  Unknown: You see what I mean? She's a murd.
• 3:14:45
  Unknown: Can't be be anything else but. What do you want?
• 3:14:49
  Unknown: And
• 3:14:52
  Unknown: one is more than enough.
• 3:14:55
  Unknown: And you a troublemaker.
• 3:14:59
  Unknown: Yes. Is. I'm
• 3:15:01
  Unknown: not talking about her.
• 3:15:05
  Unknown: Come on, Paul.
• 3:15:07
  Unknown: You, Paul. Troublemaker. I'm I'm I'm perfectly innocent over here.
• 3:15:11
  Unknown: No. No. You ain't innocent. You know, I tell you who's innocent. I'm innocent because I never muted your ass
• 3:15:18
  ever. None
• 3:15:20
  Unknown: of you is perfect or innocent. Let's get this straight.
• 3:15:25
  Unknown: I I never muted your ass. I am not the only one with muted capability.
• 3:15:30
  And if I did mute your ass, it was only because your microphone was opening, you were making background noise, or you were being obnoxious.
• 3:15:39
  In which case you deserved it. So
• 3:15:42
  you would not be
• 3:15:44
  so so I would not be called out for muting you.
• 3:15:48
  Unknown: Yep. You're getting me confused to somebody else, Paul.
• 3:15:53
  Unknown: You Sam in Houston?
• 3:15:57
  Unknown: Well, I I play that,
• 3:15:59
  character on television, but no.
• 3:16:02
  Unknown: Okay. I well, if you're Sam in Houston and you spoke up after me and Samuel went roundabout
• 3:16:09
  and you said I side with Samuel because Paul muted me too,
• 3:16:14
  then that would be you, wouldn't it? No.
• 3:16:17
  Unknown: I never said you muted me muted me.
• 3:16:20
  No. I just said Samuel is an important part of the show. He's like a Oh, no. He's like that Samuel, I side with you. You said, Samuel, I'm on your side because Paul muted me too.
• 3:16:34
  Unknown: Samuel said that because Paul muted I I never
• 3:16:38
  said that, Paul, because you never muted me muted me. Samuel was on the rag that day, so maybe you were too.
• 3:16:46
  Unknown: The one who's No. You didn't. No. You didn't.
• 3:16:49
  Mhmm.
• 3:16:50
  Unknown: Comment?
• 3:16:53
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:16:56
  Unknown: Okay. So
• 3:16:57
  I've heard the term
• 3:16:59
  jurat mentioned at least three times
• 3:17:02
  today today.
• 3:17:04
  And one of the fellow students
• 3:17:08
  suggested that I attach a jurat
• 3:17:10
  to my revocation of election.
• 3:17:13
  And I searched for a couple hours what the hell is a jurat, and they came up with basically, it's a notary deal that you put on your form, or you attach a notary to it.
• 3:17:24
  So can somebody please clarify what is a juror at?
• 3:17:28
  I yield.
• 3:17:30
  Unknown: Under penalty of perjury, I declare I sign this thing and
• 3:17:35
  that I attest that everything the foregoing is true and correct to the best Signed of my
• 3:17:42
  this day
• 3:17:43
  and witnessed by a notary. She puts her stamp on it and send it in.
• 3:17:49
  Unknown: Copy that. Thank you, sir. A notary, you don't need a juror. Yeah.
• 3:17:56
  Unknown: That's that's that's what I was verifying your your signature,
• 3:18:00
  Unknown: now it's on you. If you think think you've gotta put that there, I ain't lying. Well, then you're lying, probably.
• 3:18:10
  Unknown: Jurat. Jurat.
• 3:18:12
  Unknown: Definition is for high risk acid
• 3:18:15
  Unknown: to an affidavit
• 3:18:16
  or document verifying that you
• 3:18:19
  signed it under oath. Juris.
• 3:18:22
  Jurisdiction.
• 3:18:24
  Definition of the term
• 3:18:26
  law,
• 3:18:27
  like in juris doctor
• 3:18:28
  or a geographical
• 3:18:30
  area where a specific court or entity
• 3:18:33
  has the legal authority to enforce laws.
• 3:18:37
  The difference between juror and juris,
• 3:18:41
  one, you sign with an affidavit under penalty of perjury.
• 3:18:45
  The other, you
• 3:18:48
  like, having jurisdiction
• 3:18:50
  only.
• 3:18:58
  Unknown: Jerry Garcia and Carlsbad,
• 3:19:00
  New Mexico.
• 3:19:05
  Unknown: Democrat
• 3:19:06
  that elects Republicans, that's an idiot.
• 3:19:09
  I'm sorry.
• 3:19:19
  Unknown: And I was just thinking. So if you notary
• 3:19:23
  Unknown: refused to
• 3:19:25
  Unknown: Go ahead. Process my
• 3:19:27
  affidavit.
• 3:19:31
  Unknown: Well, then that notary violated federal law.
• 3:19:39
  And you can What I actually had
• 3:19:43
  You can file a complaint. You can file a complaint against
• 3:19:47
  her notary
• 3:19:49
  charge.
• 3:19:52
  Her notary commission. You can file a complaint against her.
• 3:19:59
  Unknown: Whoever. Because technically, they're not they're not even supposed to read what you have. They're just supposed to verify who you are.
• 3:20:06
  Unknown: Exactly. But when you file a complaint, file it under a bill,
• 3:20:11
  a bill
• 3:20:12
  of complaint.
• 3:20:14
  This is my bill
• 3:20:16
  of complaint, and then add your fee schedule to it.
• 3:20:22
  Unknown: Comment?
• 3:20:24
  Unknown: Yeah. No. Who did So I
• 3:20:27
  Unknown: I
• 3:20:29
  this is Victor in Washington again. So I I specifically
• 3:20:34
  went into my Alaska USA Credit Union, which is now global,
• 3:20:38
  and I asked the notary,
• 3:20:40
  so am I am I required that you read this?
• 3:20:43
  And she told me,
• 3:20:45
  yes. I can if I want to, I can I don't have to sign this? I don't have to notarize this unless I'm sure of what it is.
• 3:20:53
  So I was just curious about that.
• 3:20:55
  Unknown: They have to do is read the title
• 3:20:58
  to verify what type of document it is and that's it.
• 3:21:05
  Verify
• 3:21:06
  the type
• 3:21:07
  of the document,
• 3:21:09
  they verify three things: the type of the document,
• 3:21:14
  whether or not you appear to be under duress,
• 3:21:17
  and that you are actually you.
• 3:21:20
  So if you're asking
• 3:21:22
  her to
• 3:21:24
  notarize it
• 3:21:26
  and you provide identification
• 3:21:29
  and there is a title
• 3:21:32
  that titles the document, Affidavit of Citizenship Evidence,
• 3:21:37
  that tells what it is.
• 3:21:40
  It is not her business what type of citizen you are.
• 3:21:45
  Anything in the body, anything between those,
• 3:21:49
  it's not her business, it's not her concern.
• 3:21:52
  It's a violation of privacy to read the entire document. She goes to the top, she goes to the bottom,
• 3:21:59
  and she puts on her stamp. That's it.
• 3:22:03
  And yes, you can file a complaint
• 3:22:06
  against them.
• 3:22:12
  Unknown: Well, it's been my my experience
• 3:22:14
  that
• 3:22:15
  they're only concerned with you being you. They wanna see your ID.
• 3:22:20
  That's all they care about. Yep.
• 3:22:24
  Unknown: That's all they care about.
• 3:22:28
  Unknown: What I
• 3:22:31
  had done is ran off a
• 3:22:34
  I tried to find the the best format
• 3:22:39
  for title 28
• 3:22:42
  section
• 3:22:43
  seventeen
• 3:22:44
  forty six,
• 3:22:48
  and there's, like, the a
• 3:22:50
  I think it's the a
• 3:22:52
  and b. And
• 3:22:54
  I've noticed that they also kinda mix them up, you gotta be really careful. But
• 3:22:59
  I I went to my local credit union, and I I got them to sign
• 3:23:07
  that
• 3:23:08
  document that I had ran off on the
• 3:23:12
  on the on
• 3:23:13
  the printer.
• 3:23:15
  But it was it's the one that says,
• 3:23:19
  without The United States and within The United States Of America.
• 3:23:24
  That's the one that I had
• 3:23:26
  gone and had a a a notary
• 3:23:30
  stamped.
• 3:23:32
  But one of them,
• 3:23:35
  when I found a better format,
• 3:23:37
  I had
• 3:23:38
  tried to go back and do it again at a different location.
• 3:23:42
  And and
• 3:23:43
  I guess when she read the title, she said,
• 3:23:48
  I'm not gonna stamp this
• 3:23:52
  because
• 3:23:53
  we've got a form because she said it was it's called a.
• 3:23:58
  So we have a premade
• 3:24:00
  form
• 3:24:01
  that I can do for you. So I didn't wanna argue with her, so I just let her go on ahead and,
• 3:24:07
  you know, use her her preformatted one.
• 3:24:12
  But
• 3:24:13
  I have another one anyway from another
• 3:24:16
  notary. So that's the one I'll probably use or I'll fuse them together somehow.
• 3:24:27
  Unknown: Eight Hey, Paul. 18
• 3:24:29
  Unknown: USC
• 3:24:31
  twenty seventy six.
• 3:24:35
  Clerks, which are also notaries.
• 3:24:40
  Court clerks
• 3:24:42
  are to file whoever being a clerk willfully
• 3:24:45
  refuses
• 3:24:46
  or neglect to make or forward any report, certificate,
• 3:24:51
  statement,
• 3:24:52
  document
• 3:24:53
  as required by law shall be fined under this title
• 3:24:57
  or imprisoned
• 3:24:59
  no more than one year
• 3:25:01
  or both.
• 3:25:03
  18 USC twenty seventy one,
• 3:25:06
  whoever
• 3:25:07
  willfully
• 3:25:08
  and
• 3:25:09
  unlawfully
• 3:25:10
  conceals,
• 3:25:12
  removes, mutilates,
• 3:25:13
  obliterates,
• 3:25:14
  or discores or attempts to do so,
• 3:25:18
  documents filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court
• 3:25:24
  shall be fined or imprisoned
• 3:25:26
  not more than three years or both.
• 3:25:31
  18 USC
• 3:25:33
  fifteen twelve b.
• 3:25:35
  Whoever
• 3:25:36
  knowingly
• 3:25:37
  uses this intimidation,
• 3:25:39
  threatens, or corruptly persuades another person or attempt to do so
• 3:25:45
  or engages in misleading conduct toward another person
• 3:25:50
  with intent to influence,
• 3:25:52
  delay, or prevent
• 3:25:54
  the official filing of documents
• 3:25:56
  in an official proceeding,
• 3:25:59
  cause or induce any person to withhold a document
• 3:26:04
  or other
• 3:26:05
  object from an official proceeding,
• 3:26:09
  alter, destroy, mutilate,
• 3:26:11
  or conceal an official proceeding
• 3:26:14
  shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
• 3:26:18
  not more than twenty years or both.
• 3:26:23
  This includes
• 3:26:25
  notary
• 3:26:26
  officials
• 3:26:30
  who are just notarizing
• 3:26:32
  documents.
• 3:26:35
  Some notaries will start reading their your documents and say, hey. What are you doing?
• 3:26:41
  All your your duty, your job is to only
• 3:26:45
  stamp it
• 3:26:47
  under per penalty of perjury
• 3:26:49
  and file it. That's your only job.
• 3:26:54
  Unknown: Hey, Jerry. You forgot she's supposed to verify or he's supposed to verify who you are too.
• 3:27:00
  Unknown: No. That's the law. That's the law right there. They don't have to verify who nobody is.
• 3:27:07
  Unknown: I think I think I thought that's what the whole purpose of of
• 3:27:11
  having a
• 3:27:13
  notary done was to verify
• 3:27:15
  who you are. That's Exactly.
• 3:27:18
  Ready to
• 3:27:19
  throw that stamp down.
• 3:27:21
  They're they're looking at you because you have to show them ID.
• 3:27:26
  And the reason why I know that is because I had an expired driver's license,
• 3:27:32
  and I tried to get a notary done and they wouldn't do it because
• 3:27:36
  I didn't
• 3:27:37
  didn't have a quote
• 3:27:39
  updated driver's license.
• 3:27:41
  I tried to use my VA
• 3:27:44
  identification
• 3:27:46
  card
• 3:27:48
  then they said, no. We can't accept that.
• 3:27:50
  It's all of it's gotta have a
• 3:27:55
  as like, an
• 3:27:57
  address,
• 3:27:59
  a signature.
• 3:28:03
  Unknown: That was the excuse that they gave me. Impossibly photo. But if you're dealing with your bank, they already know who you are. Clerks
• 3:28:09
  Unknown: of the court shall be fined under this title,
• 3:28:15
  and you can find them, however, or imprisoned
• 3:28:19
  more than twenty years.
• 3:28:24
  18 USC two forty two
• 3:28:27
  or
• 3:28:28
  if kidnapping
• 3:28:29
  occurs,
• 3:28:31
  which they're kidnapping your paperwork, your documents,
• 3:28:35
  death,
• 3:28:37
  eighteen two forty two.
• 3:28:42
  Unknown: Did you say did you Jared, did you say death? No.
• 3:28:47
  Unknown: I didn't say it. The law says it. 18 USC two forty two.
• 3:28:52
  I didn't say it. Their own laws say it.
• 3:28:58
  If you kidnap any of my property,
• 3:29:01
  which my documents are my
• 3:29:04
  property,
• 3:29:05
  that's kidnapping.
• 3:29:08
  18 USC two forty two. And we,
• 3:29:13
  if we don't
• 3:29:15
  okay. Only only lawyers and prosecutors can use title 18.
• 3:29:20
  Only the
• 3:29:23
  court system can use. But if you make your own documents, all these titles, although they're not
• 3:29:30
  in our private contract agreements,
• 3:29:33
  I am now invoking
• 3:29:35
  title 18 US
• 3:29:37
  two forty two, two forty one, all 18 titles
• 3:29:41
  into our private
• 3:29:43
  agreements,
• 3:29:45
  and you better accept them. Or if you don't accept them, then then the punishments and the fines come into
• 3:29:52
  policy.
• 3:29:54
  I didn't make the rules.
• 3:29:56
  Law clerks,
• 3:29:57
  all law clerks, and notaries
• 3:30:00
  are
• 3:30:02
  a sidebar
• 3:30:03
  to law clerks.
• 3:30:09
  They don't even follow their own rules.
• 3:30:11
  Bet because they don't know their own rules or their own laws,
• 3:30:17
  they're they're under the presumption that, oh, you gotta show ID. Oh, no. I don't have to I can show you my passport. That's the highest form of identification
• 3:30:26
  anyone
• 3:30:27
  in The United States Of America can have,
• 3:30:30
  a passport.
• 3:30:32
  Unknown: And that's also what I asked
• 3:30:35
  I asked them that also. I said, look. Even though I've got an expired driver's license,
• 3:30:41
  okay, so you're not gonna take that. I have a expired
• 3:30:46
  passport
• 3:30:47
  out in my vehicle.
• 3:30:49
  So I told them that's the highest form of ID that there is. And just because it's expired
• 3:30:55
  doesn't mean that I'm expired.
• 3:30:57
  It says who I am or who I was.
• 3:31:02
  And they said, no. We gotta have a we have a have to have an updated driver's license.
• 3:31:10
  I said, okay. So your back's full, and I left.
• 3:31:13
  Unknown: So they lied to you.
• 3:31:15
  Bet you don't know that they lied to you because they don't even know their own policies.
• 3:31:23
  18 USC code two forty two is a federal crime
• 3:31:28
  statute that makes any crime for anyone acting under the color of law,
• 3:31:33
  such as a police officer,
• 3:31:35
  a prison guard,
• 3:31:36
  or other
• 3:31:38
  government officials
• 3:31:40
  to willfully deprive a person of their constitutionally
• 3:31:43
  federally protected rights.
• 3:31:50
  But because we don't know this start,
• 3:31:53
  eighteen two forty two, whoever under any
• 3:31:56
  whoever under color of any law,
• 3:32:01
  statute, ordinance, regulation,
• 3:32:03
  or custom willfully subjects any person in any state, territory, commonwealth,
• 3:32:09
  possession, or district of the
• 3:32:12
  of
• 3:32:13
  or district of Columbia
• 3:32:15
  to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunity secured or protected by the constitution
• 3:32:21
  or laws of The United States
• 3:32:25
  or to different punishments,
• 3:32:26
  pains,
• 3:32:27
  or penalties
• 3:32:28
  on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his color or race,
• 3:32:35
  then are prescribed
• 3:32:37
  for the punishment of citizens shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year or both.
• 3:32:44
  And if bodily injury results from the acts committed
• 3:32:47
  in violation of this session
• 3:32:49
  or as such acts include this use attempt to use
• 3:32:54
  or threatened use of dangerous weapon, explosives, fire, or imprisoned
• 3:33:01
  not more than ten years, or both.
• 3:33:03
  And if death results
• 3:33:05
  from the acts committed in violation of this section
• 3:33:10
  or if such acts include kidnapping,
• 3:33:13
  which your property, your documents,
• 3:33:16
  they're kidnapping you your documents
• 3:33:19
  or threatening you
• 3:33:21
  that they're not gonna file them.
• 3:33:24
  Kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap,
• 3:33:27
  they're attempting to kidnap your property by not letting you file them, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse
• 3:33:36
  or an attempt to kill shall be found under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life or both,
• 3:33:45
  or
• 3:33:46
  may be sentenced
• 3:33:48
  to
• 3:33:48
  death.
• 3:33:52
  Who? I said a mouthful.
• 3:33:54
  Unknown: Yeah. I think that's kind of a stretch,
• 3:33:57
  Jerry.
• 3:33:59
  Unknown: Hey, Paul.
• 3:34:01
  Unknown: Yeah, Larry.
• 3:34:03
  Unknown: Yeah. So a notary
• 3:34:04
  can read your document. They don't usually do because
• 3:34:08
  they're in a hurry.
• 3:34:10
  And but they what they end up doing is they scan over your document.
• 3:34:15
  They are required
• 3:34:16
  to make sure the document is complete. If you have multiple pages,
• 3:34:20
  they got to look at each page and make sure you're not missing a page.
• 3:34:24
  They also have to make sure
• 3:34:26
  what kind of document you're filing. If it's a court filing, if it's an affidavit for some other purpose,
• 3:34:33
  because they gotta mark all this down in their little book
• 3:34:37
  because
• 3:34:38
  sometimes a court may call upon them.
• 3:34:42
  I was was talking to a notary
• 3:34:45
  that does my documents at a bank at Wells Fargo.
• 3:34:49
  I asked him if a if the court if a judge ever,
• 3:34:52
  called upon him to, you know, bring his book in that it records, you know, all the all the notary recordings.
• 3:34:59
  And he said, all of all the years I've been doing this, yes, one time I had to
• 3:35:04
  appear in court and show the judge my book because there's some type of issue going on. I can't remember the details,
• 3:35:11
  but that's why it's very important that they
• 3:35:14
  are very,
• 3:35:16
  you know, accurate as far as what they're writing in their book and what kind of document is being notarized.
• 3:35:21
  Another thing they look over is the notary page.
• 3:35:25
  They gotta make sure it's compliant.
• 3:35:27
  So here's another thing in Florida, and you you gotta check to make sure how how
• 3:35:33
  your state applies that page
• 3:35:35
  and make sure that you are compliant
• 3:35:39
  with the law.
• 3:35:41
  Because, like, in Florida, a few years ago, they changed to the way they accept the notary
• 3:35:46
  the notary page.
• 3:35:48
  And and so if you try to use the old way,
• 3:35:52
  notaries now will reject
• 3:35:54
  it. They'll they'll tell you that you gotta be compliant
• 3:35:58
  because the supreme court even passed it as a as a law,
• 3:36:02
  and it supersedes the old way of,
• 3:36:04
  you know, putting down the
• 3:36:07
  the words on that notary page. And so you you your best it's best to just check with your local laws
• 3:36:14
  to find out, you know, if you are compliant
• 3:36:17
  so that the notary doesn't reject it.
• 3:36:20
  But the notary is under very strict privacy laws, so they're able to look over your document. They just can't disagree with it,
• 3:36:28
  they can't
• 3:36:30
  reveal its contents unless
• 3:36:33
  they were ordered by a judge.
• 3:36:35
  Like, if they're if if especially their book, like, the judge might ask them, you know, do you remember notarizing
• 3:36:41
  this and, you know, what what this had to do with or whatever? So they'd have to be under the order of a court.
• 3:36:54
  Unknown: So the purpose of an affidavit,
• 3:36:56
  though,
• 3:36:58
  is to verify
• 3:37:00
  that the individual
• 3:37:03
  is saying
• 3:37:04
  who he says he is,
• 3:37:06
  identificationally
• 3:37:11
  in association with the, quote, document.
• 3:37:14
  That's that's what I understand.
• 3:37:18
  Unknown: Well, there's different kinds of affidavits. So if you're talking about Roger's affidavit,
• 3:37:22
  again, a a notary can't disagree with it. They're
• 3:37:26
  just there to see that you're the person that's signing the document,
• 3:37:29
  and they're gonna record in their booklet,
• 3:37:31
  you know, whatever required information is necessary. But
• 3:37:35
  if you're talking about an affidavit of facts,
• 3:37:38
  I mean, how can they disagree with that?
• 3:37:41
  You know, if, like, say you witnessed a crime and or some some something happened, some very, you know,
• 3:37:48
  detrimental thing occurred,
• 3:37:50
  and so you you just you wanted to
• 3:37:54
  fill out an affidavit of facts,
• 3:37:57
  then those are your facts. How could anyone disagree with them? You're the one that witnessed them according
• 3:38:03
  to your five senses.
• 3:38:07
  You know, there's different kinds of affidavits.
• 3:38:12
  Unknown: Yeah. Larry, when
• 3:38:14
  back in '85
• 3:38:17
  when I filed
• 3:38:20
  or I put in for my first
• 3:38:22
  passport.
• 3:38:23
  I was actually already over in Europe,
• 3:38:27
  but
• 3:38:28
  I was over there in
• 3:38:30
  the military. So
• 3:38:32
  we all had to quote military ID cards, which
• 3:38:36
  on the back of it, I believe it had this what they call the SOFA, status of forces
• 3:38:43
  agreement,
• 3:38:45
  which I I guess that's supposed to be like a, you know, a big hoopla in itself.
• 3:38:50
  You didn't have to have a passport
• 3:38:53
  because you normally either well, you flew over on orders,
• 3:38:58
  and usually,
• 3:39:00
  as soon as you got to the airport,
• 3:39:04
  you were shuffled away
• 3:39:07
  by military people that were showing you, you know,
• 3:39:11
  they were in processing you
• 3:39:14
  to that command. But, anyway, when I eventually, when I did fill out my
• 3:39:21
  paperwork
• 3:39:22
  to do a get a passport
• 3:39:24
  so I could go over to Czechoslovakia
• 3:39:27
  back in back when the wall was still up,
• 3:39:30
  I literally
• 3:39:32
  remember
• 3:39:34
  there was a quest there were there were questions
• 3:39:38
  that were asked. And
• 3:39:41
  I had just finished a book. I don't know if it was Eustace Moan's book or I thought it was America Throw Off the Yoke, but I wouldn't you know, I I could that was so long ago I can't remember. But I do remember this.
• 3:39:56
  And and it's in my
• 3:39:58
  it's in my personnel files
• 3:40:00
  or should still be.
• 3:40:02
  They might sometimes they purge things after a a certain period of time.
• 3:40:07
  But
• 3:40:08
  it literally asked me the question back in 1985,
• 3:40:13
  are are you
• 3:40:15
  are is
• 3:40:17
  it was that
• 3:40:20
  think it was 18
• 3:40:21
  or 28 USC
• 3:40:24
  at 1746
• 3:40:25
  Dash 1 where
• 3:40:28
  when I I checked the block
• 3:40:30
  that it
• 3:40:32
  said without
• 3:40:33
  The United States,
• 3:40:37
  And it said within The United States Of America.
• 3:40:41
  And that's the block that I checked.
• 3:40:44
  And I'll never forget that because, you
• 3:40:47
  know, when I
• 3:40:49
  years later, when I got back to States and eventually, I'm I'm hearing Roger on RBN.
• 3:40:56
  And
• 3:40:59
  years and then also years later,
• 3:41:03
  he was talking about the affidavit and stuff.
• 3:41:06
  It it triggered me
• 3:41:10
  actually checking a block that said
• 3:41:13
  without The United States, within The United States Of America.
• 3:41:17
  And I knew that that
• 3:41:19
  the definition of when I checked that block is that I'm not
• 3:41:25
  I'm not under the jurisdiction of the District of Columbia.
• 3:41:32
  So it's
• 3:41:33
  it's out there. And what I wanted to do
• 3:41:36
  was I wanted to get and
• 3:41:38
  just print off that,
• 3:41:41
  and I guess they call it a.
• 3:41:44
  But,
• 3:41:45
  yeah, that
• 3:41:47
  notary,
• 3:41:48
  she she didn't wanna sign that because she said we've got pre prefabricated
• 3:41:55
  form here that I'll notarize for you.
• 3:41:59
  And I said, okay. Well, yeah. Alright. Whatever. Because she she didn't wanna she didn't wanna put her little
• 3:42:06
  a pot I don't know what they call it. A pots a pot hole or
• 3:42:11
  whatever to the form.
• 3:42:13
  Because that's what I was looking for. I I was looking for the a notary on that that said
• 3:42:20
  with
• 3:42:21
  without The United States.
• 3:42:25
  Unknown: A possible That's really up to you to put that in there. They they shouldn't have any say in that.
• 3:42:32
  So there's a difference between the jurat, your penalty of perjury statement,
• 3:42:36
  and your notary certification.
• 3:42:38
  The sort what I was referring to is your notary certification
• 3:42:42
  has to be compliant according to the laws of of your state.
• 3:42:47
  So like I said, in Florida a couple of years back, the supreme court
• 3:42:51
  changed the law.
• 3:42:52
  And so now if you go in there
• 3:42:55
  and try to use an old notary certification,
• 3:42:58
  way it was done
• 3:42:59
  before the law changed,
• 3:43:01
  most notaries will tell you that you need to go back home and change it. Or if you're pressed for time,
• 3:43:08
  I've had this done too,
• 3:43:11
  they
• 3:43:12
  will insert their own page that is compliant because they have to go they have to be compliant with the law. So they'll just
• 3:43:21
  they'll just cross out your your notary certification page,
• 3:43:25
  and they'll include their own,
• 3:43:28
  and they'll provide a brief explanation. Some some of them will do that. But
• 3:43:33
  that's what you gotta be careful about. So just before you go to the notary or even be while you're typing up your document,
• 3:43:41
  just look up the the notary certification for your state and make sure, you know, it is a a more recent one in terms of of that it's being based on the law the recent laws,
• 3:43:54
  and and then draft it that way, and you shouldn't have any problem.
• 3:44:00
  Unknown: Now there there's no there's no Hey. I I So this is hate taking. Take it
• 3:44:05
  Unknown: that there's no problems putting on your
• 3:44:09
  after they have
• 3:44:11
  notarized it,
• 3:44:12
  you can you can come around later on and put notice to the agent's notice to the principal, notice to the principal, notice to the agent,
• 3:44:21
  and that shouldn't fudge up the affidavit
• 3:44:24
  any, should it?
• 3:44:27
  Unknown: Well, technically, you're not supposed to alter a document,
• 3:44:31
  you know, but,
• 3:44:34
  you know, I guess you could do that,
• 3:44:36
  you know, because the notary is not really really you know, they're they're allowed to read it, but they're not really reading it reading it in its entirety. Like I said, they're looking for missing pages. I once filed a federal complaint,
• 3:44:47
  and it had an affidavit that needed to be notarized
• 3:44:50
  toward the end of the complaint.
• 3:44:52
  And most federal complaints, you you just need to get them notarized anyway, especially if you're a pro se.
• 3:44:59
  I think most attorneys can get away with not doing that.
• 3:45:02
  But, the notary at the bank,
• 3:45:05
  I mean, this is a pretty long complaint.
• 3:45:07
  I
• 3:45:09
  think I think it have a consistent of, like, a 100 pages
• 3:45:12
  with exhibits,
• 3:45:14
  and they were the I can't remember. I think it was a female. She was yeah. It was a female. She was thumbing through that thing, making sure every page was there and
• 3:45:24
  looking
• 3:45:24
  at what kind of document it was
• 3:45:27
  recording
• 3:45:28
  it in her book.
• 3:45:30
  And so they're allowed to do that. They just can't they just gotta adhere to the privacy laws,
• 3:45:37
  And they can't disagree with it either. That's your document.
• 3:45:43
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:45:46
  Well, thank thanks, Larry.
• 3:45:57
  Unknown: Comment.
• 3:46:00
  When I was doing my revocation of election
• 3:46:03
  a while back,
• 3:46:05
  it was suggested to me that I
• 3:46:07
  attach a jurat to it.
• 3:46:10
  So I tried putting a
• 3:46:13
  notary form basically on my document, but there wasn't enough room.
• 3:46:17
  So my question is,
• 3:46:20
  how would you do additional page for just the jurat?
• 3:46:24
  So,
• 3:46:25
  Larry, you did all those multiple pages, so you must have had one page that was just the jurat page in that yield.
• 3:46:36
  Unknown: Well, you're just you're signing under penalties of perjury under the laws of The United States Of America without The United States. I think that's 28 United States code seventeen forty six, if I'm not mistaken.
• 3:46:49
  I mean, that's fine. You can have that.
• 3:46:51
  And then right after that, it's gonna be your your notary certification
• 3:46:55
  page,
• 3:46:56
  which is to be based upon the laws of your particular state.
• 3:47:01
  And
• 3:47:02
  and you could have that as a like, it's when it comes to, like, a federal complaint,
• 3:47:07
  I mean, it could it could be standalone. It could be included in the complaint.
• 3:47:13
  I mean, I don't think there's any rule. I I just included mine as a page within the complaint somewhere near the end of the complaint.
• 3:47:22
  It was a federal lawsuit,
• 3:47:24
  civil lawsuit,
• 3:47:26
  and and then, you know,
• 3:47:30
  all my exhibits were right after that. So
• 3:47:34
  I don't think there's a
• 3:47:38
  specific rule that you can't do this or can't do that.
• 3:47:42
  You just got to make sure that the certification
• 3:47:45
  page is is
• 3:47:47
  correct. So does that make sense?
• 3:47:54
  Unknown: It does make sense. It's a certification
• 3:47:56
  page that's
• 3:47:58
  separate from all the other pages. Correct?
• 3:48:04
  Unknown: It's what the it's what the notary signs. Like, you like, they
• 3:48:09
  so and so appeared before me. Like, you'll have a line. So and so appeared before me or not appeared, but was
• 3:48:16
  before me this day, and they write in the date and
• 3:48:20
  showed me identification
• 3:48:22
  or they personally knew you.
• 3:48:24
  That's another choice.
• 3:48:26
  Most of the time, most people don't know their know the note you know, the notary that they're going to. So
• 3:48:32
  it's always gonna be, you know, they present an identification,
• 3:48:36
  and then they
• 3:48:38
  the notary has their stamp and they stamp the page, says my commission expires on such and such date,
• 3:48:44
  and then they have to literally,
• 3:48:47
  subscribe the page. They have to sign the page, the notary certification
• 3:48:51
  page,
• 3:48:52
  but your jurat is right before that. And you don't sign that until you're in their presence and you sign it and date it in their presence.
• 3:49:01
  So in other words, got your affidavit.
• 3:49:04
  Like, say you witnessed a crime, You know, I saw this. I heard this.
• 3:49:09
  I smelled this.
• 3:49:11
  And then you have your jurat, you're you know, under penalties of perjury under the laws of The United States Of America.
• 3:49:17
  I certify that these facts are true, certain, correct, and not misleading.
• 3:49:23
  And then right after that is your notary certification,
• 3:49:27
  which goes by the laws of the state,
• 3:49:30
  and they the notary fills all that out, that they looked at your ID, they check marks. Like in Florida, you got to have a little check mark box
• 3:49:37
  that they checked your ID.
• 3:49:42
  Or if it was an online
• 3:49:44
  notary,
• 3:49:45
  there's a check mark box for that, I believe.
• 3:49:47
  But you know? And then they they print your name out,
• 3:49:52
  and they
• 3:49:53
  they fill fill in the date. I think there's, like, seven
• 3:49:57
  seven
• 3:49:58
  parts that they have to fill out on a if it's a at
• 3:50:03
  least here in Florida,
• 3:50:05
  order to properly complete
• 3:50:08
  the notary certification page,
• 3:50:10
  the notary has to be sure that there's
• 3:50:13
  seven items on that page.
• 3:50:16
  And and some of them are their signature,
• 3:50:20
  their notary stamp.
• 3:50:22
  They have to put the data data. They have to put how they
• 3:50:26
  how they, identified
• 3:50:28
  you. They have to put the county that they're in, you know, county of,
• 3:50:33
  state
• 3:50:34
  of, county of. So there's, like, seven elements to a notary certification
• 3:50:39
  page,
• 3:50:40
  and it's up to the notary to fill all that out. You're just when you draft the page,
• 3:50:46
  you're going to get like a template.
• 3:50:48
  If you look up in the laws of your state,
• 3:50:50
  you'll find a template
• 3:50:52
  in the statutes,
• 3:50:54
  and you just transfer that to your document,
• 3:50:57
  like in your in your Word document that you're drafting.
• 3:51:00
  And you have that template there, and it's up to the notary to fill it all in and and put their stamp on the page.
• 3:51:08
  And then you sign the juror in their presence and you date it in their presence.
• 3:51:14
  Does that make sense?
• 3:51:17
  Unknown: Yes. All of that makes sense.
• 3:51:20
  The main thing I'm trying to drill down into is you've got all of your documents there, and then you've got your certification
• 3:51:27
  page.
• 3:51:29
  That's basically what I was getting at is that you would have your own separate page
• 3:51:33
  that's included with all of your other documents that they need to sign and fill out. I understand.
• 3:51:38
  Unknown: Yeah. I mean, you could draft an affidavit. Like, if you're gonna draft an affidavit like what Roger teaches,
• 3:51:44
  could get all that on the front on the front of the page.
• 3:51:48
  You know?
• 3:51:50
  I I did. Did. Even I got my I got my, you know, statement that I make made that I'm
• 3:51:58
  that I'm a national, not a citizen of The United States. I got my juror ad in there, and I've got my compliant notary certification
• 3:52:07
  at the very bottom of the front of the page. I got it all squeezed on one page.
• 3:52:13
  I didn't want there to be multiple pages and I don't want it to be on the back.
• 3:52:17
  Some say it's okay, like, if you can't fit it
• 3:52:21
  instead of, you know, the possibility of
• 3:52:25
  having a page get lost or misplaced,
• 3:52:28
  like especially your second page,
• 3:52:30
  you could do it on the back and then at the bottom of the front page, could just write continued on back or
• 3:52:37
  notary certification continued
• 3:52:39
  on back.
• 3:52:41
  And that way
• 3:52:42
  it's all on one page literally,
• 3:52:44
  if you can't fit it all on the front of the paper.
• 3:52:49
  Unknown: Understand.
• 3:52:51
  When when we were talking about revocation of election earlier and Julie was talking about David Spring's nationalstatus.info
• 3:52:59
  website
• 3:53:00
  where they have three different types of revocations,
• 3:53:03
  one of them being a 13 page one that I didn't know.
• 3:53:06
  I was planning on doing my own, but the 13 page one sounds better now.
• 3:53:12
  And that's what I'm getting at is you've got these 13 pages, and you need to get a jurat included with those pages. That's that's what I'm trying to drill down to is the physical paper
• 3:53:23
  itself.
• 3:53:26
  Unknown: Because I tried to If you wanna do a registration of election,
• 3:53:30
  you can include
• 3:53:32
  a notary certification page and a jurat on it also. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 3:53:39
  Unknown: I think that 13 page has, like, a jurat on it, but if it doesn't, these people aren't doing a jurat. They're notarizing the last page, you're sending it in.
• 3:53:48
  And they're not notifying and they're not notifying everybody. They're only notifying two offices, the IRS commissioner
• 3:53:55
  in
• 3:53:57
  Washington DC and the IRS director closest to your state. That's it.
• 3:54:04
  Unknown: Okay. I think I numbered?
• 3:54:06
  Yeah. The yeah. That's enough. And, you know, Julie, here's the problem.
• 3:54:10
  Unknown: You know how you put that that statement,
• 3:54:12
  notice to the principal's notice to the agent? Well, you're sending that to an agent with no principal.
• 3:54:19
  I
• 3:54:19
  don't know even I don't even know how to think about that at this point because they're You know what? As far as I know, there's no principal. You can't have an agency without a principal.
• 3:54:29
  Unknown: Well, they have I understand that, but they put that on there anyway. I mean, it depends on who gets it. If they get it an IRS agent gets it,
• 3:54:38
  I I don't know.
• 3:54:40
  You know? You've got the prince the principal there. It would be the IRS commissioner. The IRS agent would be the No, there's only one principal and he's
• 3:54:51
  Unknown: put there by the president as far as I know,
• 3:54:54
  and that office is vacant.
• 3:54:56
  Used to be beset,
• 3:54:58
  but he's no longer the principal of the IRS. So you have a He's the acting commissioner. He
• 3:55:05
  was the acting, but there is no principal now. I don't know how they're lawfully getting away with that.
• 3:55:12
  Unknown: Well, they are. They're using they're he's he's the one who's
• 3:55:16
  you know, all you gotta do is you don't even have to address his name on it. The the the white Paris one just says to IRS commissioner.
• 3:55:24
  The one that you send to the nearest state that's closest to yours, they're just putting to IRS director. They're not putting names on them.
• 3:55:36
  They're not and they're not addressing it to any of these state people.
• 3:55:42
  Unknown: Right. I'm not saying not to do it. I'm just saying how are they getting away with being
• 3:55:47
  a legitimate agency,
• 3:55:49
  which we know they're not legitimate. Right. Right. How are they getting away with not having a principal in office?
• 3:55:56
  Unknown: You know what? Whole
• 3:55:58
  the whole shenanigan is a lawless mafia run organization.
• 3:56:02
  They have they don't even have laws. They do whatever they wanna do. They make up whatever they wanna do. They prosecute us for whatever they wanted prosecute us for. They make up charges. So
• 3:56:12
  all I know is that these people are getting sixty day letters back from the IRS saying, we need sixty more days to evaluate, they never hear from them again. You go to the irs.gov
• 3:56:21
  and you go to the back end of the database and put your social security and number in and it says no tax no taxes owed.
• 3:56:36
  So the 13 pager White Paris document is working as is on Dave and Kay's website.
• 3:56:44
  Unknown: And if you really wanna be specific, Victor, you can
• 3:56:48
  file a a 60 pager like Jerry Day.
• 3:56:51
  That's
• 3:56:52
  unbelievable.
• 3:56:53
  Unknown: Didn't you say 60 pages, Julie? Yeah. That's 60 pages. Yep. And and, you know, and Von Rice is is around that as well. Hers is a lot a of time.
• 3:57:14
  Unknown: Yeah. Larry and Julie, I wanted to say I really appreciate all the help. And it's
• 3:57:19
  pretty clear
• 3:57:21
  that I I was wondering today, it's the
• 3:57:24
  the juror act, the the declaration page, and it's a different document that you included.
• 3:57:33
  Unknown: Vic Victor, you're muffled.
• 3:57:37
  Unknown: I was saying that I appreciate both of you guys' help. And what I'm getting out of this is
• 3:57:43
  that the the jurat, the declaration page, is just a separate document that you include with all of your other pages and whatever you're filing that you wanna get notarized.
• 3:57:59
  Unknown: Say say that again. I'm
• 3:58:02
  Unknown: just saying that declaration page is a separate page apart from the other pages that you're including with all the other pages
• 3:58:09
  to
• 3:58:11
  notarize that document.
• 3:58:13
  It's
• 3:58:14
  Unknown: you have a you have a you have your declaration.
• 3:58:17
  In other words, whatever it is you're trying to say
• 3:58:20
  for
• 3:58:21
  whatever purpose,
• 3:58:23
  and then you have your jurat.
• 3:58:25
  You're without The United States statement under penalties of perjury.
• 3:58:30
  I certify this to be true, correct,
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  not misleading.
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  And then you have your notary certification right after that. It's all one document.
• 3:58:41
  It's not separate documents. It's all one document.
• 3:58:45
  It's just those are the different parts of the same document.
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  Unknown: Yeah. What I mean by separate document is,
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  let's say that I do the 13 page one on nationalstatus.info,
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  and I want to include the Julie says that the juror is already on there, but
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  if I did my own, for instance, 13 page document,
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  that declaration would be just a different another page added to those other pages is what I'm getting at.
• 3:59:14
  Yeah. If
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  Unknown: it doesn't have a notary certification
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  page,
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  you could add it if you want. It would probably
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  be wise to do that, in my opinion.
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  I've heard that whatever you send to the IRS,
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  in order to make it official,
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  you should always get it notarized.
• 3:59:38
  Now there's been times I've helped people respond and I've responded myself without
• 3:59:43
  having a document or a response notarized,
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  and I think it still gets the job done.
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  But
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  if you really want to make it official,
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  you could get it notarized.
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  I guess that puts a little bit more
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  know,
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  gives it a little bit more teeth like Roger says.
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  Unknown: Okay. Once again, thank you both very much for your input on all of this,
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  and I yield.
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  Unknown: Yeah. One more thing. I I would just
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  I won't even I won't even reference that thing about being suspended and terminated.
• 4:00:25
  That all comes from a flowchart.
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  And I think now as I look back on it, because like I said,
• 4:00:34
  adjust
• 4:00:35
  what I believe to be the right thing and what
• 4:00:39
  I consider to be truth as I go along and continue researching something,
• 4:00:44
  I adjust what
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  I believe.
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  And so
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  I used to think that
• 4:00:52
  perhaps
• 4:00:53
  the
• 4:00:54
  non resident alien American national was hidden behind
• 4:00:58
  the
• 4:00:59
  And to some extent, I still believe that,
• 4:01:02
  was hidden behind the
• 4:01:04
  non resident alien foreign national. And so I figured on that flow chart,
• 4:01:10
  which is based off of the actual statute,
• 4:01:13
  sixty thirteen gs,
• 4:01:16
  that's what they're using to
• 4:01:19
  justify the flow chart.
• 4:01:22
  But now as I look back on it, I'm thinking
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  that flowchart,
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  gee,
• 4:01:30
  they're dealing specifically
• 4:01:32
  and exclusively
• 4:01:34
  with the
• 4:01:35
  nonresident alien foreign nationals.
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  And so
• 4:01:42
  won't even
• 4:01:44
  bother
• 4:01:45
  referencing
• 4:01:46
  that material anymore.
• 4:01:50
  Anyway, just an FYI.
• 4:01:54
  Unknown: I understand, Larry.
• 4:01:56
  The reason why I brought up the
• 4:01:58
  suspending the account and everything is to try to help Roger understand better.
• 4:02:03
  What I would really like to have happen is that it's all concrete,
• 4:02:07
  so there's really not so much confusion
• 4:02:09
  in the in the future for upcoming students and current students,
• 4:02:14
  if that makes sense.
• 4:02:18
  Unknown: Yeah. It does.
• 4:02:20
  Unknown: Okay.
• 4:02:21
  Unknown: Alright. Thank you. I yield. I'm out of here. The problem, Victor, is that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
• 4:02:27
  And some people prefer to write their own. Other people prefer to add things, subtract things. So there's no one
• 4:02:35
  right way
• 4:02:37
  to do this.
• 4:02:39
  Unknown: Yeah. I understand.
• 4:02:41
  But as long as we knew the proper definitions
• 4:02:45
  of WABEN,
• 4:02:47
  its proper purpose, 100% for sure this is its proper purpose. I know you can read the instructions, but you know how reading IRS instructions are,
• 4:02:56
  and I yield.
• 4:03:04
  Unknown: Since 10/06/2025,
• 4:03:07
  there's no
• 4:03:08
  commissioner at the IRS. It was replaced. Department of Treasury announced the creation.
• 4:03:14
  They had been in there before they put him in the Treasury.
• 4:03:18
  It's now Chief Executive
• 4:03:20
  Officer.
• 4:03:27
  Unknown: I don't see a name for who? Oh, wow. Now they're admitting that they're a corporation and a for profit corporation,
• 4:03:33
  finally.
• 4:03:34
  Unknown: Right? Right? Just like the board department says what it is. Mur, what are they saying?
• 4:03:40
  What are they saying? At the IRS, they don't have a commissioner anymore. They have a chief executive officer.
• 4:03:52
  Unknown: Are they still a principal?
• 4:03:54
  Unknown: I guess that would be called the principal.
• 4:03:57
  It's now the chief executive officer instead of a commissioner.
• 4:04:04
  Unknown: You know,
• 4:04:06
  when I heard that first time I heard that, and and, literally, they did read that off
• 4:04:13
  down at the
• 4:04:17
  processing
• 4:04:18
  center here where I live
• 4:04:21
  when I was trying to get some
• 4:04:24
  get that document affidavit to the court, but they literally read literally read that off inside the office
• 4:04:33
  around
• 4:04:33
  there were, like, at least six to eight people that were
• 4:04:37
  working within that office when she read that
• 4:04:41
  notice to the principal's notice to the agent, notice to the agent, and notice to the principal.
• 4:04:46
  And
• 4:04:47
  when I first heard that, I'm, like, thinking, well, principal, it must be something like the school principal.
• 4:04:54
  Correct?
• 4:04:57
  Unknown: Yep. PAL,
• 4:04:58
  not PLE.
• 4:05:02
  Unknown: Oh,
• 4:05:04
  there is a difference.
• 4:05:18
  Myr, what what was your meaning or translation of
• 4:05:23
  PLE and PAL?
• 4:05:29
  Unknown: In school, it's AL also.
• 4:05:32
  Principal means the and people mix that up with loans too. They think it's LE and not AL.
• 4:05:38
  The principal
• 4:05:41
  is the above.
• 4:05:42
  It's and
• 4:05:44
  LE is more like
• 4:05:47
  things you follow principles.
• 4:05:53
  Unknown: Or Well, the the
• 4:05:56
  I I think I've
• 4:05:58
  heck, I don't remember what I put. I don't know if I put PLE or PAL. I can't remember.
• 4:06:07
  I figured PAL,
• 4:06:10
  Unknown: but I could be wrong. Yeah. That would be it, I think.
• 4:06:21
  Unknown: But hike Haika, earlier when she read off what
• 4:06:26
  she it sounded like she was gonna use.
• 4:06:30
  I thought,
• 4:06:32
  well, that's
• 4:06:33
  that's exactly what's on the
• 4:06:36
  on the
• 4:06:38
  on the site.
• 4:06:40
  Use of force.matrix.com.
• 4:06:43
  SWAT training day,
• 4:06:44
  March 5. SWAT train
• 4:07:29
  Unknown: For me and Paul's sake, can we not say there's
• 4:07:33
  more way to skin a cat?
• 4:07:36
  Can it be
• 4:07:38
  a different
• 4:07:39
  term?
• 4:07:42
  Unknown: Make up your own.
• 4:07:57
  Now you see this is a good thing about doing this very different ways.
• 4:08:01
  They can't come back to
• 4:08:03
  one way and find it
• 4:08:05
  wrong and then that way all the ones that use that form are wrong in their book. If they're all different,
• 4:08:13
  it's like herding cats, let alone skinning them.
• 4:08:29
  Unknown: Okay. There's more than one way to do it.
• 4:08:33
  Variety is the spice of life.
• 4:08:36
  Different strokes for different folks.
• 4:08:39
  And there's more than one way to cook an egg.
• 4:08:42
  There's more than one way to peel an orange.
• 4:08:45
  And there are many ways to skin a kitchen and more than one way to bake a cake. How's that? How's that? And every which every which way, loose. How about that, Julie?
• 4:08:55
  Unknown: And none of them have anything to do with kitten fricacy.
• 4:09:03
  Unknown: You have an alarm kitty cat in the house in house. Or Szechuan
• 4:09:07
  Unknown: Siamese.
• 4:09:09
  Unknown: Oh.
• 4:09:12
  Unknown: Yeah. I thought we were trying to get away from that.
• 4:09:15
  Unknown: Every which way but loose.
• 4:09:21
  Unknown: You look around a Chinese restaurant,
• 4:09:23
  there are no cans.
• 4:09:25
  If you look around a Mexican restaurant, there are no chihuahua dogs.
• 4:09:34
  Unknown: Yeah. When I worked in Atlantic City, mostly nighttime, there was
• 4:09:38
  either a Chinese restaurant that stayed open late or a
• 4:09:42
  pizza place.
• 4:09:44
  So they would vary for takeout for our 4AM
• 4:09:47
  lunches
• 4:09:49
  or thereabouts.
• 4:09:51
  And I
• 4:09:52
  would only get spring rolls, but this
• 4:09:55
  restaurant,
• 4:09:57
  they weren't forewarned at one point, and the health inspectors found rats in the freezer.
• 4:10:03
  Unknown: Tastes like chicken. Really? Really? Mhmm. Oh god. Oh god. Did you see that one Chinese restaurant?
• 4:10:10
  One Chinese restaurant has big big letter sign up in front of restaurant. It say, we no see your cats, so stop asking.
• 4:10:21
  Unknown: Yeah. You might have eaten it. Yeah. You're closer than you think.
• 4:10:25
  Unknown: My
• 4:10:26
  favorite.
• 4:10:31
  Unknown: Cats in the kettle at the peaking moon,
• 4:10:33
  the place I eat every day at noon.
• 4:10:43
  Baby bitch,
• 4:10:45
  chicken or pork.
• 4:10:46
  It's Garfield on my fork.
• 4:10:51
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 4:10:53
  Yeah. Didn't get any greasy sausage either. I learned about that. Mhmm. That's how they like to do up people.
• 4:11:00
  Yeah. Oh.
• 4:11:01
  Ew. Ew.
• 4:11:03
  I get black olives.
• 4:11:05
  It was funny. Some of the people putting together the pizza, the black olives, you know, big black olives, they'd slice them usually, but I don't know if they're in a hurry or what. Sometimes they'd be like, oh.
• 4:11:15
  One time it rolled off toward this lady on the other side of the table in the lunchroom and she freaked out. She just saw it out of the corner of her eye and thought a big bug was coming for her.
• 4:11:29
  But she deserved it. She would go and get people stuff out of the little fridge. Right? So somebody put
• 4:11:35
  put laxative in their stuff and
• 4:11:39
  she got it. It worked on her.
• 4:11:41
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 4:11:44
  I've
• 4:11:45
  I've heard of people that actually
• 4:11:48
  said what they did,
• 4:11:51
  and,
• 4:11:53
  they got fired
• 4:11:58
  for tampering with food even if it was theirs.
• 4:12:03
  They got fired.
• 4:12:06
  So if you do that, keep quiet.
• 4:12:11
  Oh, there must have been something in my lunch you were sensitive to. I don't know.
• 4:12:22
  Maybe you shouldn't have stolen it.
• 4:12:27
  You really shouldn't eat things that you don't know where they came from.
• 4:12:40
  I'm just saying.
• 4:12:41
  Okay. Now I gotta restore some windows because I've been working on stuff, and I gotta figure out
• 4:12:49
  what time it is. Where's my clock? No. I don't see my clock. There's my clock right over here.
• 4:12:56
  Oh, good lord. The stream's been up for over four hours.
• 4:13:00
  Good grief.
• 4:13:03
  I mean, Natalia, this is weird. This is weird. Okay.
• 4:13:08
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• 4:13:13
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