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Karl Ravech reflects on legendary ESPN career on Tim Kurkjian's “Is This A Great Game, Or What?” show · Foul Territory

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Is This a Great Game or What? And
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  Speaker 1: our special, special guest today is my dear friend, Carl Ravitch,
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends in the whole world and
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: certainly my best friend all these years at ESPN.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: Ravi, have you met my.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Son Jeff yet?
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Who's that?
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, Ravi, how's it going?
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: Hey, you guys are great. I think, you know, one
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: of the things I've thought about is maybe since you
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: have the word great in the title, is this a
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: great game or what? Maybe we consider a second or
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: third or I don't know. What do you guys have,
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: like nine podcasts? Maybe we do number seven and we
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: just call it, hey, you guys are great. And then
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: you bring on people and you just tell them how
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: great they are.
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: Hey, you guys are great.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Jeff, do you even know where this comes from? I
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: went to see Steve Martin live. Okay. And he told
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: a joke about when he was a standup comedian and
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: this guy came up to him really drunk one night
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: and came up to Steve Martin and said, Hey, you
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: guys are great. There's only one guy he's talking to.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: So I have always said that Ravi's picked it up.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: Then he turned it into, Hey, you guys stink. So
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: that's how I talk to Ravi on a daily basis.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: Some point it's, Hey, You guys stink or hey, you
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: guys are great. Ravi, am I right about this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also starts, the conversation starts, Jeff, when
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: I call Tim or he calls me, generally we're in
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: a perpetual state of being exhausted. So rather than somebody
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: answer the phone and say, hey, Tim, how's it going?
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: Or hey, Ravi, what's going on? The first sound you
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: hear is, which is such an abnormal way to start
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: a conversation. But it speaks to the relationship that you
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: have with these people.
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: No doubt. Right. And then Ravi almost always answers with,
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: I'm dead. And my response is always, I've been dead
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: for several years here because we're either so exhausted or
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: we're going through so many things. But Ravi, all seriousness,
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge we've had some pretty good times
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  Speaker 1: the last 33 years. And we are awfully lucky, awfully
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  Speaker 1: lucky to have covered sports together and with everyone else
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: for all this time.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: Agreed? Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt about that.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, the regrets about my situation and being
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: laid off is not necessarily the events you don't get
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: to cover. That's on the list, but it falls way
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: below the idea of being able to be with you
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  Speaker 2: or with Jimmy Dykes or with Eduardo or with Buster
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: or with whoever else you've done the games with. I mean,
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: in the end, after three and a half decades... you
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: miss the relationships, you miss the breakfast, you miss the,
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the dinners, you miss the pre and post games. Um,
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: and clearly you miss the actual game and the event itself,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, look, when you, when you look back on it,
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: the greatest part of anything to come out of this, uh,
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: the experiences of the games and the highs and the lows, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they don't come close to the relationships that you've established and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these are, these are lifelong friendships, which is
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. And I'm, I'm, I'm grateful for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the opportunity without 33 years, there wouldn't
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: necessarily be a next chapter. And there certainly wouldn't be, uh,
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: I am just.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Ravi, obviously our families have been very close for
• 3:36
  Speaker 4: a very long time. I have a oddly distinct memory
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: of coming to your house in Connecticut when, when dad
• 3:44
  Speaker 4: and I were both up there at some point doing
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: baseball tonight and, and playing basketball in your home with
• 3:52
  Speaker 4: your boys. And I remember very specifically a tall ceiling,
• 3:56
  Speaker 4: maybe above your garage.
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  Speaker 1: Am I getting this right?
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a core memory.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, it just, when you have a dad
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  Speaker 4: who's like, I need to make a dream for my, my,
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  Speaker 4: my kids.
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  Speaker 2: To be able to do this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It was like the coolest memory ever as a kid
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  Speaker 4: to play basketball inside of the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we, uh, that's, that is true. We, uh, we
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: added a garage to an existing home and the space
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: above the garage, I believe I'm not an architect, but
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: I think it was called a gabled roof. So it
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: gave you, a lot of room, not much unlike the
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: one that I'm sort of sitting in where you can
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: see the ceiling rises to a pitch. Well, this one,
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: this one rose to a pitch and this is not a,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a 20 foot ceiling. It's probably, I don't know,
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: at its height, 15 feet. So we, we had a
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: small lower rim put in because the boys, Sam and
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: Max were very young, but it, it allowed us to
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  Speaker 2: put a legitimate backboard in to line up a sort
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: of a free throw lane and and shoot basketballs. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was a pretty neat thing. I hadn't thought about
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  Speaker 2: that in a long time, but yes, that did happen.
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  Speaker 2: That was not a dream. It wasn't your imagination. We
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  Speaker 2: had a mini court. It wasn't the Ripken court that
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: your dad played on, but... It was certainly serviceable for
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: a bunch of little boys and me to play around.
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: And Kirkjens, for that matter. I mean, a mini hoop
• 5:19
  Speaker 4: for Kirkjens is perfect.
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: We could jam on that, maybe, possibly. That's right. No,
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: we could get rimmed, for sure. We could get rimmed.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: So, Ravi, you talk about relationships with the people you've
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: worked with. And you worked with Crucky, with Buck, with Booney.
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  Speaker 1: You worked with Harold Reynolds. You worked with Todd Frazier.
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  Speaker 1: But Eddie's the one that you worked with the most,
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  Speaker 1: maybe other than me, in the 29 years that I've
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: been there. I get such a kick out of Eduardo.
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  Speaker 1: And my favorite story, and I'm going to have you
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  Speaker 1: follow or tell your favorite story, is when Eduardo last
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: year rented a helicopter to come from JFK into Manhattan,
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: as he put it. Because Eddie, he knows everyone. There's
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: nothing Eddie can't do. And there he is in between innings, Jeff.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: we have like a minute and a half and I
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: am asking him a question and he goes, shut up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ordering a helicopter, which he took in. It took
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: seven minutes for 250 bucks. Ravi, you remember that. And
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: does that not personify who Eddie is?
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not only do I remember it, I think everybody
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  Speaker 2: could probably go on some YouTube link and see it
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: because of course Eduardo recorded the whole thing and put
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: it out there for people to witness. So, It's not
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  Speaker 2: only do I remember it, I think it's all available
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: online somewhere. Yeah, I mean, look, I think the thing
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  Speaker 2: I've appreciated more and more about Eduardo and, you know, look,
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  Speaker 2: Eduardo came into the Little League World Series booth there
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  Speaker 2: on my final day with a microphone and a framed drawing,
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: which you can see over my shoulder there, of everybody
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: that I've ever called a championship series with. But it
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: was really the words, you know, that Eduardo spoke which
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: reminded me of exactly why I love the guy and
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: who he is and how that relationship has grown over
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: the years to a real, real close friendship and somebody
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: that I depend on and rely on. All that's the
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: sort of the sentimental side of it. Eduardo, to your
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: dad's point here, Jeff, is the guy that literally walks
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: into any building. And again, this is a hospital. This
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: is a restaurant. This is a dugout. This is an
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: airplane terminal. It literally doesn't matter. And to his great credit,
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  Speaker 2: he is comfortable enough with, as he has told us before,
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  Speaker 2: just act like you've been here and no one will
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: really question you. And that's sort of the way that
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: he lives. And it's been proven to Tim and me
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: that it works. Tim has often said that very few
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: people I kind of live the way that I do
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: when it came to traveling. Like, you'd show up 20
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  Speaker 2: minutes before the flight, and I'd show up two and
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  Speaker 2: a half hours before the flight. On a bad day,
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: on a good day, I'm there four hours. Well, Eduardo
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: skates in 10 minutes before a flight, and then he
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  Speaker 2: will immediately send you a picture of him sitting in
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  Speaker 2: his seat with his feet up with that big Eduardo
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: Perez grin on his face. And you are reminded... It
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: all worked out again for Eduardo, didn't it?
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: Always. Jeff, we got in like a limousine set up
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  Speaker 1: by Eduardo to take us from our plane during a
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: stopover to like the greatest Admirals Club of all time.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: Do I remember that correctly, Ravi?
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  Speaker 2: There was like gourmet food in there and Eduardo.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: Arranged the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Eduardo had it arranged because Eduardo, there's
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: this limited exclusive club thing that you can get into
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  Speaker 2: when you're a concierge key member. What American Airlines does
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: a great job of is not letting anyone know how
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  Speaker 2: in the world you get into that club. But ironically,
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: Eduardo was accepted, invited into the club. He flies less
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  Speaker 2: than many people I know. He seems to be loyal
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: to American, which I guess is a big part of it.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: but it flummoxes many a flyer. Like, so I'm flying
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: X amount of miles on American, and Eduardo flies this,
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: and it's not close to the amount. How in the
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: world did he get this privilege, which, to your dad's point,
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: when he's running late, there'll be somebody literally waiting for
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: him to escort him onto a plane, and or if
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: the connection is close, Mr. Perez, sign come on this way.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: And you know how everyone walks out the long runway
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: to the actual airport? He goes down those stairs where
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: your luggage goes, gets into a Porsche or an SUV
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  Speaker 2: and gets driven to gate B6 so that the plane,
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: which is now waiting for him, can take off close
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  Speaker 2: to the time that it's supposed to because Eduardo has
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  Speaker 2: been delivered. Fact.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: Not to mention when traveling, Eduardo is my source for
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: photographic evidence of whatever is going on. The amount of
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: photos I have of my dad sleeping on a plane
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: or my dad pulling Diet Mountain Dews out of a
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  Speaker 4: check bag are all from him, none taken by me.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: And I know where my dad is because Eduardo is
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: checking in.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, last year when we went to Toronto was sort
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: of the famous, let's just chronicle this through Eduardo's camera.
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, your dad had a bag the size of
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: the room we're all sitting in. He needs to have
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: the paper airplane boarding pass no one else in the
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: world does. He doesn't quite understand you can take a
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: train from the ballpark to the airport in Toronto. So, yeah,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing. Eduardo's a storyteller. He tells stories.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: He's very big. Look, Eduardo also has two daughters who
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: are brilliant and understand all about how social media works. Now,
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: Tim has a son and a daughter who understand how
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: all of social media works. Eduardo has taken the reins
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: and run with it. Your dad has chosen to ignore it.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: So that's just a different way of approaching things.
• 11:41
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• 12:45
  Speaker 1: Ravi, tell us a Buck Showalter story from all the
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: years you worked with him, because he is as unique
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: an individual as I think I've ever met. Do you
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: have a favorite Buck story from all your years?
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of them. A couple hundred of them.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: A couple hundred of them, but a couple of favorites.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: I'll give you just a quick synopsis. A, of the
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: man who, again, I love Buck. I think he's He's
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  Speaker 2: as observation oriented as any human being I've ever come across.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, we would sit in the green room
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  Speaker 2: and he'd see things. And I'm sure you can tell
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: your freckle story or, you know, the high hind leg story.
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: Those are all Buck-isms. And again, his attention to detail.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: Buck has a wonderful sense of humor, which I think
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: over the course of you and I getting to work
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: with him, we saw more and more of, and that's
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. But I'd say the two stories about
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Buck that stand out to me, one was the night
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: we were in the studio in Bristol doing a baseball tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We're wearing suits, and there was a play at second
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: base where he had to, or we decided, why don't
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: we demonstrate how you can blow up a double play?
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  Speaker 2: This was long before you couldn't make contact with the
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: second baseman or shortstop. And Harold was of course, playing
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: the role of the middle infielder and Buck looked around
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: and whispered to the camera people and our director, we
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: have one take on this. This is going to be
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: one take and that's all it's going to be. And
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  Speaker 2: Harold got the flip from me and Buck came sliding
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  Speaker 2: in and sent Harold ass over tea kettle onto the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Buck is smiling. He's in a suit. I think the
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: first thing he said was when he, when he wiped
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Harold out, he looked at the cameraman and said, did
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: you get that? Like that was it. That was one
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: of the ultimate Buck stories. And the other happened in
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Seattle in 2001, when we were out there to cover
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: the all-star game and the home run Derby and doing
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: baseball tonight. Um, and it must've been on a Sunday
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: because I think the Derby was on Monday. So we
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: were back in our hotel rooms at roughly six at night, um, separate.
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  Speaker 2: We go back and I order some Chinese food, um,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: because I'm going to spend the rest of the night
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: doing work. And I come to find out after eating
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: the Chinese food and laying down that, uh, it, it contained,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: it contained oyster sauce and I have a shellfish allergy.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: So I blew up like a jellyfish in that moment.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: And I knew Buck was in the hotel. So I
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: called Buck and I said, Buck, you need to take
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: me to the hospital. You need to bring me over
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: to the hospital in Seattle because I need to get
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: medical attention quickly or I may not be sitting next
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: to you when we're doing the Derby preview show or
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the All-Star Game preview show. So he and his son
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: drive me to the hospital and I have a shot
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: of adrenaline and Um, and they're literally sitting in the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: hotel room with me. So, uh, you know, long story short,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I tell Buck who his son, I believe is Ethan.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: So I call Buck Ethan, even though his name is Nathan,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I call him Ethan. Jeffrey, I rarely call anybody by
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: their real name. So that's a separate aside, but I tell,
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  Speaker 2: I tell Buck to this day, I said, you know,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you and You and Ethan or Ethan and Nathan, you
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: both saved my life. So those are my two Buck
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  Speaker 2: Showalter stories. We've had that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: And listen, Ravi, this is the beauty of it. Don't
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  Speaker 4: take this the wrong way.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Harold Reynolds.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Buck Showalter and now Carl Ravitch have told us the
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: taking Harold Reynolds out on Baseball Tonight story.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: And it gets better from each perspective. It's our favorite story.
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  Speaker 2: It's so good. This is not grass or dirt. This
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: is a linoleum floor. This floor hurts. And Buck went
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: into it knowing I'm going to wipe him out. There's
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: no gray area here. He's going to get it. And
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I am going into his legs so hard he's flipping over.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Buck wasn't seemingly concerned with the ability
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: of Harold to eventually get up from that incident. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing and made sure it
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: was caught on tape. Right.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And Buck's the first to tell you that he tore
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: his pant leg of his brand new suit. So it
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: was at a cost. Now, speaking of Harold. Ravi, nobody
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: worked with Harold more than you did. And you got
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: him like right away out of his major league career.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: What is your favorite Harold story of the million that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you have?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: The Hounder. Yeah, the Hounder. Well, again, there's a million
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: of them. I think it's worth noting, as great as
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Harold has become on television, we got him when he
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: was a green apple. Like he hadn't ripened yet. So-
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of work. I think
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: that's one of the things I look back on and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: love about my career, especially with baseball tonight. People like
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: yourself and Peter and Harold, so many of these guys
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: come off the field or from the newspaper industry, and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: they'd never done this before. So in some ways, I
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: get a chance to help them along their journey. And
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for that opportunity to do it. And I'm
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: You know, in some ways, like a like a professor,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you get to see many of your students shining later.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Harold is currently shining. But in the beginning, you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: it wasn't nearly as smooth as it has become now. Ultimately,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Harold got into a position where he got very comfortable.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure I'm sure this story has been told
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: by by your dad or by Harold himself. But Harold
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: got so comfortable. that he knew our goal was to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: come up with what we would call breakdown tapes. So
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: if you had two or three breakdown tapes on a
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: particular game, in a sense, you were kind of good.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Like I, I, you know, I I'm all set. It's,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it may be early in the game. It may come
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: in the eighth inning. Harold mastered the ability to come
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: up with his tapes, uh, maybe before there were three
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: outs recorded in the game, which was a, which was
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a skill. It was a gift, but he would sit
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: there with us in the green room or on a set.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: And as, as your dad knows, he would announce, I
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: got my tape. Wait, what, what, what did you see
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that no one else? I got my tape. I'm all good.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, I'm going to break down. I'm going
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to break down the way that whoever it was, I'm
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: going to break down the way Fernando Vina took, took
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the turnaround second base. okay, Harold's got his tape. Harold's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: good to go. Now we're going to wait to see
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: what Tim says and what Buck says or what Kruki
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: says or what Peter has. But that was one of my,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that's long been one of my favorites. I got my tape.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Jeff, Harold would just, his name would
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: come up and Ravi would just reflexively say.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Shoot, I got my tape. I'm going to the movies.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are the little inside stories we have.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: about all these guys that we worked with and we
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: loved so much. And again, you mentioned Kruki, Ravi. There
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: are a million Kruki stories. I did the bus tour
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with him. I spent like a month with John Kruki.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: We went to every major league, spring training facility, he
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: asked me once, did I ever tell you about the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: time I shot a deer in the hot tub? And
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of course, with Krooky, you have to ask, were you
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: in the hot tub? Was the deer in the hot tub?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Or were both of you in the hot tub? So
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: tell us, tell us one of your favorite Krooky stories.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Well, my favorite part of you recounting that story was
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey sitting there on screen, nodding his head like, okay,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: he got the first part right. And I've heard the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: second part. Good. Dad nailed it. I do that all
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the time. We've all heard them. They're all great. But
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you just want to you almost could finish the story
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: for him, right?
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Wait, wait until you and Sam get your own podcast together.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: All the stories I've.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Heard once are now on YouTube a hundred of our times.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: And we just did that story in front of a
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: live crowd. It's one of my favorites.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So I said to Ravi, I'm sorry, I'm going to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: let you go to second Ravi. I said to Ravi
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: so many times on national TV, did I ever tell
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you that I went to Walter Johnson High School? And
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: after maybe the 500th time, he just yelled at me
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: on the air. Yes, you've told me that 10 million times.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Now we have a.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: T-shirt on our podcast that reads, did I ever tell
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you I went to Walter Johnson High School? That's how
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: bad I was.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Did you put the pitch on the back too? I mean,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: is that whole thing on the back and all?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And the wind up?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And the wind, all of it. Yeah, we know. Did
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I ever tell you? Maybe that's another podcast. See, that's
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a great, that's a great, that's a great title for
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: a podcast, Tim. Did I ever tell you? I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: just think about where that could go.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And that's how Krooky started every sentence. Did I ever
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: tell you about the time that I, and then he
• 21:51
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• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Tell me a story that you love.
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• 23:05
  Speaker 2: And he still does do that. So there was one
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: night I'm on the set with Kruki and Terry Francona, Tito.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And Kruk isn't feeling well, apparently, which I'm not sure
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Kruk ever truly felt well, but it didn't feel well.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So Francona reaches into his pocket and he pulls out
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: this plastic bag full of medication. What medication? I don't know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But full of medication, different color pills, et cetera. You know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Tito also had been banged up. I mean, he'd been
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: dealing with injuries, et cetera. So on a show one night,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: he asked Krucke, here, take this. This will help you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Honest to God, within 20 minutes, Kruki is sweating profusely
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: live on television and he is beginning to hallucinate. He's
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: sitting there and he's over a highlight talking about the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: lights flashing in the studio. Like there are lights flashing
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in the studio and we're doing a highlight of a game.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So at that point, I have to make up something
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: because the audience is listening to this man talk about
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: lights flashing. They're not seeing any lights flashing because there
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: are no lights flashing. But in Kruki's world- There are
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: lights flashing. So I say that's because they just hit
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a home run. In the stadium, John, they have flashing lights.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to cover for the story he's telling while
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: he is sweating and hallucinating. That's one of my favorites
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: on Kruk. The other one is when we went into,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Tim can tell me, Studio D maybe,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: whatever it was. It was a tiny studio. And this
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was when ESPN decided to use robotic cameras. This was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: sort of like an experiment. We're going to use cameras
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that you can program to move or you don't need
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a human being to run them. And during a show
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: one night, one of the robotic cameras continued to move
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: closer to the set live with Kruki on camera. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: it didn't stop. So you're watching Kruki and the screen
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like this and like this and like this. And the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: robotic camera moved. banged right into the set like we
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: lost the ability to communicate with the robotic camera and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you know Krooky he of course had great lines for
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it but didn't include swears it's amazing that John Krook
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: never swore if you know John Krook he's not afraid
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to sling a swear every now and then but a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: beautiful beautiful person who I love and has reached out
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a billion times and I'm sure you've heard the Kyle
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Lowe story right Jeff No.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Jeff might not know that. Maybe not. I've heard it
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a billion times, but please tell it, Ravi, please.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So, you know, before I did Baseball Tonight on a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: full-time scale, Chris Berman hosted Baseball Tonight, in particular on
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Sunday nights. Especially on Masters Sunday, because we would have
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: what was called the Green Jacket edition of Baseball Tonight.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Boomer would dust off the green jacket that he had
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: in his closet. And on Masters Sunday, when Baseball Tonight
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: was on and he hosted, well, the Green Jacket edition.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: So we had the Green Jacket edition on Masters Sunday.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: But there was one show where... Krucke was sitting next
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to him. Boomer was hosting. And Kyle Loesch had just
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: pitched a game for the Cardinals, apparently, and pitched a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: good game. Maybe, let's just say, I don't remember the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: exact numbers, but seven innings, two hits, no runs, six strikeouts.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And our job, and Jeff, you know this really well
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: as hosts, is to tee up. You know, I heard
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: your dad recently talk about being a point guard. You've
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: got to put the shooter in a great position to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: make a shot. So Kruki is the shooter in this case.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Boomer is the point guard in this case. So the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: tee up to Kruki after the Kyle Loesch highlight was Kruki.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Kyle Loesch. We knew, but we didn't know. this is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: when crux like after the show he comes up to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: us and says what in the world what does that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: even mean what do i do with that what's my
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: response was that a t up what what does that
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: really mean we knew but we didn't know no and
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: if you know boomer you realize what he's saying is
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we knew he was good we didn't know he was
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: this good john But it just sort of died on
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the vine of, we knew, but we didn't know.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Jeff, the truth is, every time Kyle Loesch's name comes up,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't come up a lot anymore.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: He doesn't pitch anymore.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But I can't get a sentence out about Kyle Loesch
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: without just thinking, Krucke, Kyle Loesch, we knew, but we
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: didn't know. What does that mean?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: All right, so Rami, you- We wear out, as you
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: can tell, we wear out lines- like they're tires on
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: a car that's driven a billion miles. We're not afraid
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to regurgitate. And there's a comfort in that. I mean,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: there's a comfort in that for sure. Right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Let's see if Ravi remembers this one. Back in the 90s,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: early 2000s, every once in a while, Ravi would start
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a show or a highlight and say, it's a Kung
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Pao and computer night. And it's like three people in
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the world understood what that meant.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But I was one of them.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm like laughing on the set, a Kung Pao
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and computer night.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Ravi, do you remember? Of course I do. And in fact,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I just got a photo sent to me the other day. Yesterday,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: in fact. You got the same one. Apparently... Apparently he
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was sending them to a variety of people because you're
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: now the third person who told me I got that
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: same picture. But the former producer of Baseball Tonight named
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Judson Birch, who was with the former executive producer named
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schneider, they were together and he sent the picture
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: with those two. Kung Pao and computers had to do
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: with it's you're eating Chinese food and you're able to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: sit on your computer and work while the show was on.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Like it was a it was a reference to people
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that could chill and just enjoy the show baseball tonight. Subsequently,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: we were told, let's let's shy away from using that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: But that's that's really what it was about. It was, hey.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: we got an audience out there let them have their
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: food let them be doing work but as long as
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: they're watching us at 10 at midnight then then we
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: win so i certainly do remember that as i'm as
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: i'm quite quite clear you do too.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, never forget Judd Burch for a million different reasons,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: all of them good and all of them funny.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I did respond to that picture by saying, where is
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Rodriguez?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we can't go into this because mine was, did
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he go, Judd?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. I was just going to ask, did you
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: ask him, Judd, did he go?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Right, again. Jeff, five people in the world understand that joke,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and it's not worth explaining. But the fact that Ravi
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and I could laugh out loud, it happened 25 years
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: ago at least, and we still bring that back.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Now, Ravi, you mentioned Tito. I will say, Jeff, but
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I will say about Boomer, who is a close friend
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and a great host and a Mount Rushmore guy at ESPN,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the one thing Boomer used to remind all of us, hey,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: we do this show for ourselves. Like in a sense,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: it's the people in this room that we're doing this
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: show for. So he was the king of inside jokes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, he would throw it's late September and I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: really should be back at school. Everybody understood it, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he was the king of like inside jokes. So that concept,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think we took, we took very seriously and we're
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: not alone. I mean, these things go on all the time.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: whether it's on television shows, podcasts, movie sets. There are
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: inside jokes, which you need. These are long seasons. These
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: are long shows. You've got to be able to humor
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and entertain yourself and your teammates out there. Otherwise, it
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: can drag. And one thing we never let it do
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: was drag too much, thankfully.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Ravi, tell Jeff about the re-airs that we used to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: do almost, well, 30 years ago. And we would all
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: have to stay until that final game was done on
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the West Coast because Baseball Tonight, Jeff, was going to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: re-air over and over again. And when you're re-airing at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: 5 o'clock in the morning, you can't have a Giants-Padres
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: game without a final score. Ravi, how many times did
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you sit through one of those things and tell us
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: what that was like?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually I got enough courage to say I have
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a better idea because it's 2.30 in the morning. There's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a great story around these re-airs. I mean, the idea
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: was if you're not up at midnight, which many people
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on the East Coast weren't, but you're going to get
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: up early the next day, how can we show baseball
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: tonight in its entirety? Because you've got to remember, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: back in the 90s, that was the only way to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: get players a show exclusively dedicated to baseball and highlights.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It was baseball tonight. It's why the McGuire-Sosa home run
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: race was so big. It's why 1995 was so big
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: after the strike. You now have all of these RSNs
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that show the local games, and then there's a postgame.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: There's also a pregame. None of those ever existed. When
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: your game ended, you would go back to the regular
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: programming on the station that the baseball game So we
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: had that advantage that we knew we were the only
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: game in town. How do we allow people to do
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a watch the next morning? Let's re-air the show, which
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: meant when Rob Nen would come into a game, unfortunately,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: more often than not, it was a tightrope walk. And
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: there were many a night in which he would blow
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a save. These games start at 10 in the East.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It's 1.30 in the East. And oh my God, the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Mariners have just tied the game up, whatever it may be. So-
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: We got into a show finally where we no longer
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: kept the two analysts. We figured out it's not fair.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: We don't need three people up here until two in
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the morning. There was one night where it was Peter Gammons,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Mike McFarlane, and myself doing the show. Peter's got to
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: drive to the Cape. That's where he lived. It's a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: three-hour drive. Peter leaves after the midnight show. It's 1230
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: in the morning. The Mariners are playing. The game goes
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: 17 innings. We had no ghost runners.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: 17 innings.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: We record the final out that now needs to be
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: edited on to the broadcast tomorrow morning. We record it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in a booth no larger than a closet. It's an
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: audio booth. So I am describing how whatever. Here's Dan Wilson.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Here's Jay Buhner. Whoever it is drives in the winning run.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: When it happens, we're sitting in a room no bigger
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: than a closet, and Mike McFarlane is sleeping underneath the
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: audio booth. He's sleeping. He's prone on the floor. It's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: now 3.30 in the morning. We call Peter Gammons to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: find he is crossing the bridge, the Bourne Bridge. He's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: home now. Three hours later, he drove home to the Cape.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: By the time the extra innings were finished, We had
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to kick McFarlane in the head to wake him up
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to say three things. Buhner with a line drive to right.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Mariners end up winning the game 4-3. He says, look
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: at the way he stayed back on the ball.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Done.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Out.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: It got to a place, Jeffrey, where thankfully cooler heads
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and smarter heads prevailed. Honest to God, if the game
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't over, at 1 a.m. when the hour show ended,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: or 12.30 if it happened to be a half hour,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I would say, you know, Reds, Pirates, 3-3 in the ninth,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and here's how it ended. And then they would literally
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: edit on the last play using the sound from the game.
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• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Now, Ravi, you mentioned Tito earlier. Tito only worked with
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: us for one year, but it naturally was a memorable
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: year because Tito worked for us. And I have a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: thousand stories about Tito in the one year he worked there.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Give me one of your favorite Tito stories when he
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: was at ESPN in 2012.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I will say this about managers, which I found,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and managers more so than baseball players, Buck Showalter notwithstanding.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Managers are so programmed into having someone tell them where
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: they need to be at what time. And in a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: lot of instances, showing them where they need to be,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like taking them to wherever they need to be. That
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: was a big struggle for many of the managers that
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: we worked with over the years. Dusty Baker, Bobby V, Tito,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: they would occasionally be told, well, here's where the studio is.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You got to go out, make a right down that stairway,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: go across the hall, make a left down that stairway. Boom.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: There's a studio. Many a time they would get lost
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: on the way. It would somehow get lost in translation.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So the show would be about ready to begin. And
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you're wondering like, where is Dusty? So where did Tito go?
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Anybody seen Tito and, Or Tito is walking around a
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: hallway looking at old SportsCenter pictures wondering, where did he go?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And he would kind of stumble in just before the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: show started. The best Tito story wasn't actually a Baseball
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Tonight story. He was calling the games for us, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: his zipper broke. Did you hear the zipper breaking story?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: No.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: His fly, not like a zipper on a jacket, like
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: his fly zipper broke when you go into a men's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: room and it broke. And we had a makeup person,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a wonderful, lovely makeup person named Susie, who is still
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: very much a part of our lives, who had to...
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: kneel down and try to sew the zipper up. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you can just imagine how odd that would look to
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: anybody walking into a booth. But poor Susie had to
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: do that. And that's one of the great Terry Francona.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: There's a fly in my soup.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Susie famously said, I will never do this again,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: as she said.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Fixed his zipper. It was so bad.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Ravi, I don't think even you know this one. Tito's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: first winter meeting. they bring him in and he's just
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: getting started. He doesn't have a company credit card. And
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: even though Tito pays for everything, you go out to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: dinner with Tito, he's buying no matter what. It doesn't
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: matter how many people are there. That's how generous he is.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But somehow he has no credit cards. So two of
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: the producers take him out And they are having the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: greatest time ever. Tito's learning the ropes. But before long,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the two producers, they have run out of money on
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: their credit card.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: The limit is up.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So they said, we got to build this to someone's roof.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So they billed it to my room and they told
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: me the next day. And I said, so what? What
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is there a fifty dollar bar charge? And they said, no,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it's about eight.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Hundred dollars.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Put on my hotel bill because they had to treat
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Tito the right way his first week. On the job.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Only Tito could that happen. Was that in Dallas? Where
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: was that? Was that in Dallas?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I think that was in Dallas.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Was that the Albert Pujols signing? Because the next day
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: there was a massive signing, and it was difficult to
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: get a few people out of bed that morning when
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're like, you remember? Like, Albert
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Pujols just signed this big deal. We need to now
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: go on. And here we go again. Anybody seen Tito?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Can we get him up and ruffle the feathers? If
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I think it was Dallas. I could
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: be wrong.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And Albert was the number one free
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: agent out there. He wasn't supposed to go to the Angels.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And now we get the word at nine in the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: morning that he's signing with the Angels and they have
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to rouse people out of bed. And we got that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: story in. That was Tito. One year of Tito was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: like 10 years of anybody else. He made me laugh
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: so many times during all that. Ravi, you also worked
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: a tremendous amount with Todd Frazier, Little League World Series,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and other places. We jokingly call Todd, lovingly call Todd,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the biggest 12-year-old of all time. Is that an accurate statement?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Todd Frazier, at age whatever he is, is still the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: biggest 12-year-old ever.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. Oh, absolutely he is. He does an amazing
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse voice. If you've never heard that, you should
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: all listen to it. the Mickey Mouse voice. Yeah, I'd
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: say this about Frazier. He's taught me a great deal
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: about being a teammate, about his personality. After the Little
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: League World Series ended, we were all hugging each other goodbye. And,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you know, for a 12-year-old to show emotion is rare,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: especially when it is a matter of the heart and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: there's sadness. So, we're hugging each other. It's my last
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: game there. And I look over and he is, he's
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: wiping tears from his eyes, which affected me in a,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: in a, in a big way. I had tried really,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: really hard not to lose it when I was there.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And I look over at him, uh, and he's, he's
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: really in, in tears. He's really broken up, which again
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: speaks to his ability to connect, which he did with me,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: which he did with you. He, uh, he became a very,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and still, and will always be a really important figure
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: in my life. And again, I, to me, it speaks to,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and I've said this a lot. One of the great
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: takeaways from covering major league baseball guys is, is the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: clubhouse culture is how they are willing to wrap their
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: arms around other men when things aren't going well or
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: celebrate when things are going well. And I've learned a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: great deal from, about baseball players and their acceptance of
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: everybody at their best and at their worst. And, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to see Todd share that, to hear some of the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: things that he told me before and after words he
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: shared with my wife, Chris, about the impact that I've
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: had on him, you know, really pulled at the heartstrings.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, he's the same
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: guy who demands we're going out, we're getting meatballs, we're
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: walking down the street. He's worse than your dad when
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: it I know he's done all of that with regards
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: to his officiating. So he's a wonderful person who's got
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the rainbow of emotions and actions. Love the guy and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: hope like heck I get to work with him again.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: He is a joy to be around. Love everything about him.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Literally everything.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And as we know, he's also the greatest collector of
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: pins at the Little League World Series as anyone. And
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: this touched me. He shows up one day and he's
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: got a pin. that he has specially made of me, Ravi,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and Todd Frazier on a Little League World Series pin.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: This is in my drawer. I look at it every
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: single day because he felt enough about Ravi and I
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to put us with.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Him on a pin.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Of course, I look like some tiny little kid just
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: trying to ease his way into the, sneak his way
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: into the picture.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But Ravi, you remember that, right? Remember, and I still
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: have it in my bag. You know, here's another example
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of Frazier. I hope you guys can see this, but
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hold it up. So he took this
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: picture in Williamsport. And this is a picture of me
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: standing there looking out at Lamanie. And he sent it
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: to me. And he said, you know what? I took
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this on your last day. This could be a wonderful pin.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: So those are the types of things that he thinks about, which, again,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: shows another side of the 12-year-old, who is also a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: very mature adult when it comes to doing things like that.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But Tim, I have the pin in my black bag.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: The pin is never leaving that significant. I probably should
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: display it up there. You know, and as I tilt
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: my head this way, there's a picture over here. Like that's,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that's me, you and Eduardo right there. That's all. That's
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: those are the three of us in the booth. I think,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I think Danny Wexelman may be in there. That's our
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: last or one of our last radio games doing it
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in Toronto. So, Yeah, I have a lifeboat full of
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: great memories that are going to carry me for a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: So, Ravi, again, we have to get into this just
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: at least once. What was it like for you, a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: dinky little guy from Needham, Mass., to be standing on
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the field at Williamsport, having done the little league world
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: series better than anyone could possibly do it. And you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: were honored by the little league world series with a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: tribute 30 minutes before the three o'clock game. What was
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: it like for you to be out on that field
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: looking around and thinking what?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, to me, it probably felt like when you
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: got into the hall of fame or got that phone call,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's an appreciation for how much I cared
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: about the event, how much I love the event, how
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: much I embrace the event, how much I recognize the
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: significance of a Little League World Series. If you take
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: a 30,000-foot approach to a Little League World Series, it
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: would be very easy to sit there and wonder, like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: what impact does this have? Why is this important? And
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I knew 20 years ago when I first went there
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that this was arguably one of the most significant events
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: that I could ever be a part of at ESPN
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. One, I think it touches
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: every generation. I know that the people who watch range
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: in age from five to 95. So you're covering a
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: demographic that very few other sports do. It's baseball, it's Americana,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it's Little League, it's kids making mistakes. It's kids having fun.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It's a Japanese team winning a third place game and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: crying about it. It's a girl on the mound who's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: blowing people away with her abilities. So I knew that
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: it was significant. And I think there was an appreciation
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: from Little League. Like this guy's on board. Like he's
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: bought all the way into this. And the viewers feel
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the same way. That's why they tune in each and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: every year. That's why the ratings change. continue to grow
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: each and every year so when you have somebody who
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: is the front-facing person on the event who loves the
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: event as much as anybody that's ever done it who
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: recognizes the importance of the event to the country when
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: things are not necessarily going well you get a chance
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: to sit in your home and watch 12 year olds
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: play baseball and tell stories to your your your spouses,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: your grandchildren, your kids about what you remember about your
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: days on the little league field. There's so many flowers
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that bloom from the garden of the little league world series.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And I knew it was an important garden to walk through.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I think it has to do with their appreciation for
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: my recognition of those things. I will say I was,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I was really and continue to be blown away by
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the support and words of encouragement that people share with
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: me about the the impact that I had on them
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: through the Little League World Series, let alone Baseball Tonight
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: or ESPN. But this group was particular about Little League
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: World Series. And when you're doing it, you don't think
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that way. Like, this is a job. I love it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I love the people I do it with. So you're
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: not thinking about the impressions you're making year after year
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: after year. And as your dad knows, Jeffrey, when you
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: start something and the viewer is 10 and 33 years later,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: you're laid off. That person is 43 years old. Imagine
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the life experiences that they've gone through over the course
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: of your career 10 to 43, like that's their life
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: to this point. Like literally every memorable thing has occurred
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: with your voices. And I, those things never occurred to me.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't know that. So to hear all these things,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: you know, absolutely can make you and does make me
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: well up. But I got a great appreciation for the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: impact that the medium can have and an event like
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that can have, let alone an individual can have on
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a large swath of people.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Carl, this is how impactful the Little League World
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Series is. My father-in-law, who's a little over 70 years old,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: when my daughter was born three years ago, it was
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: right before the Little League World Series, and he has
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: always wanted to go to Williamsport. And so I took
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: him with a 10-day-old baby, staying here with my wife
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: and my mother-in-law. They both gave us the approval because
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: my wife knows how important that place is for someone
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: to go and see and visit And we went together
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: and watching him go down the cardboard on the hill
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: was like seeing him be a child again. I mean,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: it really is a special place. And you're absolutely right, Carl.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: You were honored because you were one that bought in
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: almost as much as everybody else has. You can't help
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: but fall in love with that place.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It really is special.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: And, you know, I welled up.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: For what they did for you.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: And it's well-deserved.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: It's a special place and, and it won't be the
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: same without Carl Ravitch.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I just got to say that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Thank you.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It was, uh, by the way, you know, I will say, uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: a wonderful amount of credit, uh, goes to little league
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: for wanting to do it. And ESPN, it's like, I was,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I'm in a, I was in a unique spot. Uh,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: most people don't get a chance to finish in a sense,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: their assignments or what they, what they love. And, you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Mike McQuaid, who was one of the executives there, certainly
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: made it clear he would hope that I would get
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to do that. So I'm grateful that ESPN
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: afforded me that opportunity. The day that I found out
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: about it was the day after a Dodger-Philly game. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: if it ended there, there would have been no trip
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to Williamsport. There would have been none of what so
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: many people got a chance to see. So as I
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: said to many, in a lot of ways, I you
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: have a greater appreciation for if only people could hear
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the eulogies that are being read while they're already passed away.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I got a chance to hear a lot of those
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: thoughts and I'm still alive. And I would hope that
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: one of the things that come out of it that
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I certainly will, will share with my own boys and,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Remind my folks to share the feelings that you have
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: when they can still hear them. It means a lot
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: to hear those things. It impacts you in an amazing
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: way that you probably hadn't anticipated. So I appreciate, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: the funeral and all that goes into it. But if
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you have something nice to say to somebody, well, I
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: would encourage you to say it before they're gone.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Right. And Ravi, you're far from gone. You are going
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to be thriving again in this business very, very soon.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you've got some time to go
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: play golf. In fact, we're going to let you go
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: now to go play in a member guest. As you know, Jeff,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Ravi's a really good little athlete, but he's a great golfer.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: He's like a five handicap. So Ravi, is there a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: chance your golf game over the next couple weeks or
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: so is going to get a whole lot better?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: What do you think? Um, that's a good question. I,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I do love it. I love pickleball. I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like to be active. As I said, I used to
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: do run around sports. I wasn't one of those that
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: ended up in broadcasting because I sat there and watched
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: the games and said, I want to be the next X.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: That wasn't me. I would rather be like you guys
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and be outside running around and playing sports. Will it?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, uh, you know, I, I'm not, I'm
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: not one of those that would go into it thinking
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I need to get down to a two. That's not
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: of interest to me. That's probably more work that I
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: want to do. But I go out there and if
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I shoot a good round, there could be motivation to
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: go practice more and things like that. But that's, again,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I think we're at an age and a stage where
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the competition is a great part of it, but the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: camaraderie probably outweighs it. So if I can get a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: good group of three, whether they're good golfers or not,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going. That's more of my motivation than breaking 70,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say, some of the most fun
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: rounds I've played is with that, you know, you bring
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: two people and you pick up a fourth. I played,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: this was a couple years ago when I was living
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: in Las Vegas, me and two buddies, we said a
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: fourth will join us.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: There's a gentleman just shy of 80, I would say.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: And he shot a 76. And he never drove the
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  Speaker 4: ball more than about 180 yards.
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  Speaker 1: And he just, everything was.
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  Speaker 4: Two shots par, two shots par. I mean, he parred
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  Speaker 4: every hole, bogeyed four holes and called it a day.
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  Speaker 2: That was it. Infuriating for sure. Yeah. Three of my
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  Speaker 2: good friends, including Tim and Jeff, Jim King. And I,
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  Speaker 2: many of you have heard the story, but I'm playing
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  Speaker 2: with Jim King who used to be the news anchor
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  Speaker 2: in Binghamton when I was the sports anchor. And I
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: would befriend Jim and we would remain very close. And
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  Speaker 2: I was in, at Jim's wedding, and he was at
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: my wedding. And now Jim and I get a chance
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: to watch his son, Mike King, pitch for the San
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Diego Padres at an incredibly high level. So I'm going
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: to be golfing with Kinger today and a couple of
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: other guys, and we'll be talking about what Mike is doing.
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  Speaker 2: And Mike is absolutely killing it right now for the Padres,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: which is such a neat thing to see.
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  Speaker 4: Well, before we let you go, Dad, we got to
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  Speaker 4: talk about Dirt from the Dugout, okay? So this new podcast,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: which is actually part of the Foul Territory Network that
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: we're a part of, I have to tell you guys,
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  Speaker 4: when I was building a playground in my backyard by myself, it.
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  Speaker 1: Took three days.
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  Speaker 4: It took 18 working hours, Ravi.
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  Speaker 2: I thought.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to go insane, but I had my
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: headphones in listening to dirt from the dugout to hear
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  Speaker 4: what this new podcast was all about. So Ravi, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Because if I didn't have that, I would have jumped
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: off the top.
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  Speaker 2: Of the playground.
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  Speaker 4: Three stories high.
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  Speaker 2: How is it going?
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  Speaker 4: Tell the people a little bit about what this is,
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  Speaker 4: because just like our baseball podcast, it isn't, we're not
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  Speaker 4: breaking down the hot takes. We're not going into the
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: standings per se. You've got a different approach on this thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it goes back to sort of the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Little League World Series. I think one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that we try to do on that show, our main goal,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: is to use guests that you listen to, whether it
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: be Mark DeRosa or Dustin Pedroia or Dusty Baker or
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Buck Showalter or Adam Wainwright or David Ross, Dave Roberts
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  Speaker 2: just the other day, is to use their journeys to
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: get to where they got to and share those experiences
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  Speaker 2: with parents and young players who are beginning or in
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: the middle of their own journeys. And to see that
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: this is not necessarily a linear journey. There are so
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: many different ways to go about. If you want to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: be a high school player, if you want to play collegiately,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: if you'd like to end up in the major leagues,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: they all do it in different ways, as opposed to,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes we get misguided into, there's only one
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: way to do it. And it is to specialize beginning
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: at the age of eight. And I don't agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that if we can play Little League
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  Speaker 2: and play with your neighbors until you're 12, that's what
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you should be doing. So it has to do with
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: really trying to help people along their journeys and using
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: those examples. If you listen to the Pedroia podcast while
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: you were building the swing set, you may have ended
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: up wanting to jump off at the top of the
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: swing set.
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  Speaker 1: So good. Well, Ravi, keep up the great work on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. I hope you break 70 today. I hope
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you win your member guest. And I hope more than
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: anything that soon two things are going to happen. I'm
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: going to play golf with you and I'm going to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: work with you again. That's one of my goals moving forward. First,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to play golf. Then we're going to work
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: together again because nobody did more shows and games with
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Ravi than I did. I'm pretty sure about that. And
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  Speaker 1: it was a pleasure all along. So thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining us today on our dinky little podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me. I love both of you.