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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 4) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the Glenn Maxwell SDNY Grand
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  Jerry documents from twenty twenty. Question have you become aware
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  that in two thousand and five, police officers from the
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  Palm Beach Police Department executed a search warrant at Epstein's
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  house at the Elbrio Way addressed in Palm Beach? Answer yes.
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  Question did they find massage tables and sex toys? Answer
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  yes they did. Question did they find any photographs of redacted?
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  Answer yes. Question was one of the photographs signed by redacted?
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  Answer yes it was. Question did it say redacted, redacted
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  or redacted? Answer yes. Question During four interviews with redacted,
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  did redacted tell you how she felt about Epstein and
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  Maxwell in the nineties when she was a young girl.
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  She did. She expressed that she felt like they loved her,
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  she felt like they were her family, that they supported her,
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  and that she felt that she was made to feel
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  like that she needed to be grateful to them. Question Okay,
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  did she tell you that she felt like they were
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  trying to help her? Answer yes. Question have you talked
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  with Redacted about how she feels about this now? Answer yes.
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  Question what was Redacted's demeanor when she described to you
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  what Epstein and Maxwell had done to her? Answer she
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  was upset. She recognized that now it's affected her life
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  to a great degree. She struggled in relationships with opening
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  up to people and trusting people, both personal and professional relationships.
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  Question did she tell you that she struggled to tell
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  anyone what had happened to her for most of her adulthood?
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  Answer yes. Question when was the first time that you
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  interviewed or redacted? Answer last fall. Question what was the
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  first time she ever reported this to law enforcement? Answer
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  yes it was. Question Now you testified earlier about your
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  interviews with redacted? Who worked at Epstein's pom Beach house.
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  Did he remember a girl name redacted coming to the
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  house during that time? Answer yes he did. Question did
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  he recall redacted, Maxwell, and Epstein being in the Palm
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  Beach house together? Answer yes. Question what was his understanding
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  of why Redacted was there? Answer he thought that Epstein
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  was helping her. That's what Epstein had told him, and
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  Redacted had told him that Epstein was helping her. Question
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  did he ever observe Epstein interacting with her physically. Answer yes.
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  Question what did he see? Answer he saw Epstein kiss
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  Redacted's cheek and pat her on the bottom. Question did
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  he have any knowledge about what was happening with Epstein
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  or Maxwell when he was in present? Answer he didn't.
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  Question did Redacted ever recall picking up Redacted from her house?
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  Answer yes? Question and when he would pick her up
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  from her house, would he bring her back to the
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  Palm Beach house? Answer yes. Question did he remember who
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  in general would tell him to pick up Redacted from
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  her house? Answer Maxwell would be the one to tell
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  him to pick her up. Answer did he recall ever
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  driving Redacted to the movies? Answer yes. Question what did
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  he tell you about this? Answer that it would usually
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  be Epstein, Maxwell, and Redacted. They'd go to the movies,
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  and it would usually be late at night. Question did
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  he tell you about what his memory was about how
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  old Redacted was? Answer? He said she was young, and
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  that he knew that because he picked her up from
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  school and he knew she was too young to drive.
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  Question switching gears. I want to talk to you about
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  a different aspect of your interviews with Redacted, based on
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  what he told you about his job duties. Were there
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  ever times when he would have to clean Epstein's massage room?
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  Answer yes, question what did he tell you about that?
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  Answer he said that he found sex toys in the
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  massage room and that he had to wash them afterwards.
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  Question aside from those experiences, was he aware of their
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  being sex toys in the house? Answer yes, there was
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  a basket of sex toys that were kept in Maxwell's closet.
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  Question did a redact did stop working for Epstein in
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  approximately two thousand and two? Answer yes. Question was he
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  told that he was being replaced? Answer yes. Question and
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  was he generally aware that the person who replaced him
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  was much younger? Answer yes. Question did redact to tell
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  you that after a few months after he left working
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  for Epstein he became suicidal because of issues in his marriage?
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  Answer yes. Question did he tell you that he went
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  to Epstein's house and tried to take Epstein's gun? Answer
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  yes he did. Question did he tell you that he
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  took several thousand dollars? Answer yes. Question did Epstein discover
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  this and confront him about it? Answer yes he did.
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  Question did redacted admit to Epstein and the police? What
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  he had done. Answer yes. Question did Epstein also tell
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  the police his gun was missing? Answer yes. Question were
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  there any charges filed? Answer no. Question was he ever arrested?
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  Answer I don't believe so. Question and did Epstein pursue
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  any charges about this incident? No, he didn't pursue anything.
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  Question have you interviewed one of Epstein's former pilots? Answer yes.
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  Question is that pilot named or redacted? Answer yes. Question
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  was he one of the pilots for Epstein's private jet
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  in the nineties? Answer yes. Question did he remember redacted
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  traveling on the jet in the nineties? Answer he remembered
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  her traveling, but he didn't remember specifics. Question so, just
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  to be clear, is your testimony that he didn't remember
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  the specific dates of the flights, but he remembered her
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  traveling on the jet during the nineties? Answer yes. Question.
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  And did he remember redacted specifically as a person who
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  traveled Answer yes. Question did you discuss with them the
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  flight records that we talked about earlier that lists a
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  person name redacted as a passenger? Answer yes. Question did
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  he have a specific memory of those exact flights? Answer no. Question,
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  but was he aware of the other flying on the
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  jet besides redacted in the nineties. Answered no, oh, no
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  other redacted at the time. Question Earlier, when we were
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  looking at Interlocan attendance records for the summer of ninety four,
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  you noted that redacted was one of the names on
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  that record. Is that right? Answer yes? Question is that redacted?
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  Answer yes? Question have you interviewed or redacted? Answer yes?
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  I have question. Did he tell you that he remembered
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  Redacted talking that summer at camp about having met Jeffrey Epstein?
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  Answer yes. Question did he tell you that he remembered
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  Redacted going over to Epstein's house in Palm Beach when
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  they were in high school? Answer yes. Question did he
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  remember Redacted would often talk about spending time with Maxwell
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  and Epstein during this time? Answer yes. Question did he
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  remember Redacted telling him when they were in high school
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  about at least one trip to New York City that
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  she took with Epstein? Answer yes. Question did he remember
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  redacted describing Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan? Answer yes? And does
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  he remember Redacted talking often about Glene Maxwell? Answer yes.
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  Question Now, based on your interviews with redacted, did he
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  tell you whether he knew back then when they were
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  in high school. Whether Redacted was being sexually abused by Epstein?
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  Answer he didn't know back then. Question did Redacted ever
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  meet Glainne Maxwell? Answer yes, he did. Question what did
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  he remember about that? Answer? He remembered Epstein, Maxwell and
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  Redacted being near a movie theater and he was approximately
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  sixteen at the time, and Redacted would have been fifteen,
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  and just the little bit of interaction they had. And
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  after that, Redacted had told him that Maxwell had said
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  something to the effect that I could teach Redacted a
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  thing or two. Question is that something that he remembers
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  Redacted telling him back then that Maxwell had said? Answer yes.
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  Question during the course of this investigation, have you participated
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  with interviews with an individual named redacted? Answer yes. Question,
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  so for today's purposes, I'm just going to refer to
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  her as redacted. How many times have you interviewed redacted?
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  Answer approximately twice. Question Now does redacted no redacted? Have
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  they ever met as far as you know? Answer not
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  as far as I know. Question turning to the next slide,
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  are these photographs of redacted when she was in high school?
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  Answer yes? Question and is her date of birth redacted?
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  Answer yes. Question when redacted was approximately sixteen and a
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  junior in high school. Where was she living? Answer she
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  was living and redacted with her mother. Question does she
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  have any siblings? Answer an older sister? Question what did
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  her older sister do? Answer her older sister lived? Work
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  for Epstein? Question? Where did she work for Epstein? Answer
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  here in New York. Question did there come a time
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  in approximately December of nineteen ninety five when redacted had
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  a phone conversation with her sister about traveling to New
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  York City? Answer yes, question what did they discuss? Answer?
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  They discussed her coming to New York and meeting Epstein.
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  What did her sister tell redacted about why she would
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  meet Epstein? Answer she said that he could help with
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  her college. Question and did she say did the sister
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  say whether the sister wanted her to meet Epstein? Or
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  did she say whether Epstein wanted to meet her? Answer?
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  Epstein wanted to meet her. Question Now, let me pause here.
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  You testified that this happened in approximately December of ninety six.
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  Just for context, the years that we're talking about with redacted,
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  was that ninety four through ninety seven? Answer yes, question
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  so is this approximately the same time period? While what
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  you described or redacted telling you what happened? Answer yes.
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  Question So, in January of nineteen ninety six, did a
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  redactive fly on a commercial airline to New York City
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  to spend a weekend with her sister and meet Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Answer yes, question did she tell you that? Answer yes.
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  Question During the trip, did redacted tell you that she
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  met Epstein at his townhouse to New York City? Answer?
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  Yes she did. Question did she tell you that Epstein
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  discussed her plans for college applications and offered to help her?
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  Answer yes. Question what was redacted's first impression of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer?
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  She was very impressed by him? Question what did she
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  What was her impression based on this conversation of what
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  Epstein was going to do for Answer that he was
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  going to help her with her future plans for college.
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  Question During that trip to New York City, did she
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  stay at Epstein's townhouse or at her sister's apartment? Answer
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  her sister's apartment. Question During that trip, did she tell
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  you that she saw Epstein a second time when he
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  took redacted and her sister to the movies? Answer yes,
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  question what did she tell you happened at the movies.
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  Answer she said that they were sitting in the theater
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  and Epstein was between redacted and her sister, and Epstein
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  put his hand on her leg. He rubbed her arm
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  and held hands with her. Question from what she told you,
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  what was her impression about whether her sister could see
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  what was going on? Answer? She felt like her sister
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  couldn't see. Question what was her reaction to this happening?
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  Answer she was uncomfortable. Question after the movie did she
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  tell her sister what had happened? Answer? No, she didn't.
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  Question did she say why not? Answer she said that
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  she knew her redacted her sister really liked Epstein and
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  that Epstein could really help them, so she didn't tell her.
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  Question after this trip, did she redacted go back home
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  to redacted? Answer yes. Question did Epstein contact her afterwards?
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  Answer yes. Question did he discuss her ongoing college plans?
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  Answer yes he did. Question did he invite her to
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  a weekend at his ranch in New Mexico in the
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  spring of ninety six? Answer yes. Question what she's sixteen
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  at the time? Answer yes, she was. Question from what
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  she told you? What was Redactive's impression of who could
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  be on the trip to New Mexico. Answer, she knew
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  Maxwell would be there. Question did she was she told
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  by anyone else who was going to be present during
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  this trip? Answer she said that there would be like
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  other students, her kids like her age. Question and what
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  was her understanding of these other kids and why they'd
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  be there? Sorry, let me and answer rephrase. Let me
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  rephrase the question. You testified that she was told that
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  on this trip that there would be other students. Was
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  she under the impression that there would be other young
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  students like her on the trip who were also being
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  mentored by Epstein? Answer yes. Question. Now you testified just
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  a moment ago that she also told that Maxwell would
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  be there. Are you referring to Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes.
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  Question at the point that she was told that Glene
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  Maxwell would be on this trip, had she ever met
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  Glenne Maxwell? Answer no, she hadn't. Question had she heard
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  her sister talk about Glenne Maxwell? Answer yes. Question How
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  did from what she described to you, how did her
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  expectation that Maxwell would be on the trip make her
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  feel about the trip? Answer it made her comfortable. Her
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  sister had talked highly of Maxwell. Question did her redacted
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  tell you that she flew to New Mexico that spring
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  when she was sixteen. Answer yes. Question did she meet
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  Glayine Maxwell when she arrived in New Mexico? Answer yes,
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  she did. Question how did she describe Maxwell's demeanor and
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  attitude when she met her? Answer she described Maxwell as
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  being very charming. She gave her a tour of the house,
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  and Maxwell took redacted shopping, which made her feel special.
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  Question what does she remember talking about with Glenne Maxwell?
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  Answer they talked about school, homework, trips. Question did she
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  talk to her about applying to college? Answer yes. Did
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  she talk to her about classes in high school? Answer yes.
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  Question did she talk to her about the homework that
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  she had to do that weekend? Yes? Question did she
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  talk with Maxwell about her family? Answer yes. Question did
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  she talk with her about her home life and living
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  with her mother? Answer yes. All right, folks, we're gonna
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  wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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