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Coming up on this week's episode of hip Hop Now podcast, Timberland is going
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to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, but not public enemy.
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Joey Badass teases new music and not all fans are happy, and it's Drake's
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music, really shopping music, honestly, because I haven't heard the Temptations and
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everything a couple of times and that was in Walmart. Let's do it.
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the business though. Timberland is going to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of
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Fame, but what some may notice is that Public Adonemy is not in there.
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Let's goore real quick. This article is on the Hip Hop DX Timberland
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to be inducted into Songwriters Hall of Fame, but Public Enemy miss out.
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The Virginia born producer leads the twenty twenty four class of inductees, which was
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announced on Wednesday, January seventeenth. Other inductees include Rim Steely, Dan Hillary
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Lindsay, and Dean Pittsford. So in the induction takes place on June thirteenth
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at in New York. Let's talk about this because you can read the rest
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of this article on your own at hip hop ds dot com. Let's talk
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about it real quick though. Last time, Missy Elliott was inducted into the
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Songwriters Hall of Fame, which I think she was class at twenty twenty three,
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which made a lot of sense. Timberland also makes a lot of sense.
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And this is not to pit Timberland against Public Enemy, but the fact
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that Public Enemy is not already in it, or the fact that they were
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being they were nominated, I guess you could say that or had a chance
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of getting into it this year twenty twenty four and not making it. It
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bothers that hip hop hitted me. And let me tell you why. I
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mean, I really don't have to tell you why. If you are familiar
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with Public Enemy and their music and the message in their music and their impact
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on the hip hop game, especially from a conscious perspective, a music well,
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let's just say, musical perspective, I don't see how they're not already
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in there, specifically, Chuck d Why let's just take a quick example,
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right, fight the power we know, Public Enemy has plenty of songs that
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are dope, crazy, conscious, on point everything. You know, it's
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like revolution music, you know what I'm saying. Maybe for black folk,
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maybe not for you, but it's for everybody. Right, The message is
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for everybody to critique, listen to, love, hate, or whatever it
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may be. So this past week I visited the Spikelye Exhibit and Brooklyn Museum
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in New York, and you know, they had a couple of They had
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a section where they showed the intro to Spike Lee's movie Do the Right Thing,
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which featured not only Rosie Perez dancing, but dancing to Public Enemies Fight
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the Power, And there was another section where they had it playing again,
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and then there was another section where they had posters and lyrics from it and
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all of that, And I kept thinking it was in the music section basically,
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and I kept thinking to myself, Man, of all the films that
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Spike Lee has done, this song is probably the most prominent, right,
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because there's some iconic songs with some of his film right, like doing the
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Butt with EU was for School Days, and just different records that are now
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synonymous with certain movies he's had. But Fight the power is the one that
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stands out, and especially because of the lyrics, they're so powerful, especially
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the way it starts, the music, the energy, all of that.
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And when you think about it, you can go over a number of public
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Enemy Enemy songs that do a lot of the same great work from a conscious
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standpoint, from a writer's standpoint, right, it's almost like speeches. You
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could strip away the music and vocals and just read it and say, wow,
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this is so dope. It has the same exact energy. That's what
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I'm trying to say. It has the same exact energy without the visual or
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the audio, just reading the lyrics. What now does that instantly put Public
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Enemies entry over Timberland? I say, why not both? Right? Why
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not both? Did you put Missy Elliott in? It felt some kind of
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way, and then you felt you should put Timberland in right after? He
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couldn't wait. And again, this is not to say anything about Timberland and
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his music. Him, along with a number of artists and writers, deserve
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to be in a Hall of Fame. But I believe that Public's Public Enemies
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music lyrically has a greater impact than Timberland's music on music in general, on
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hip hop in general on our society of a time where you know, music
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like that was put in the same category as n w A because it was
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against the grain in a lot of ways, you know what I'm saying.
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So I think they will get in if people make enough of a make enough
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noise about it. But I don't see why, uh, you can't have
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Timberland go in and Public Enemy going. I know there's a certain number of
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slots, and I know sometimes they feel like, yo, just one hip
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hop, but Timberland was more. You know, he did some hip hop,
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but he probably honestly had a greater impact on the R and B side
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than anything. We know. He worked with the jay Z and all that,
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but he ain't right for jay Z, So we're talking about two different
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things. But I'm not mad at it. I just look at it like,
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Wow, Public Enemy is not already in there. It just doesn't make
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sense to me. So we shall see. Joey Badass teased a new record
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and called Passport in Suitcases, and it was a video he an airport on
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the conveyor belt thing. I don't know what you call that thing, the
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thing that if you don't want to walk, you can stand and Nick kind
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of walks you whatever that's called, but neverthe let it walks but whatever that's
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called. That's besides the point. The point was Joey Badass was teasing some
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new music. Now, I believe within Joey Badass his catalog, he probably
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only has one album I don't like, and that was the album that came
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after after his American Badass album, I think, or right before it,
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right before it, and part of the reason why I didn't like it is
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because it was very different. While fans let it be known for the same
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reasons why they didn't like this because it was different. Some of them were
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saying, like, Yo, where's the hip hop at and blah blah blah,
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And anyone who's really followed Joey Badass knows those beginning mixtapes, it's like
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nineteen ninety nine and what's the other one? Summer Nights, those especially nineteen
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ninety nine, those albums that well, that album in particular, which I
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listened to not that long ago, I felt in the very beginning when I
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first heard him, I didn't necessarily like it because I wasn't a fan of
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younger dudes. Sounded so much like something old that they don't necessarily have an
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identity of their own. And that's kind of how I felt with Joey Badass
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at that point, because it wasn't that it was wack. He could rap,
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but it was so much like boot Camp that it wasn't an homage to
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me unless he called it, you know, a boot Camp kind of album,
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right. If he called it, you know, boot Camp click called
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back Back or whatever, then I would have dug it. But it was
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more so like his introduction. And I know he was with may still be
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with Duckdalne Records of boot Camp fan, but I wasn't a big fan until
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later. Summer Nights kind of got me on board, and then I've been
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on board ever since. But if you look at the history of what he
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writes about how he flows in a lot of ways, it has changed since
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then, and even his last album two thousand, where he kind of got
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right back in that rapping lane. Sure it was more like what he used
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to do. But American Badass is probably my favorite album from him, which
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is his conscious album. It's like his version of to Pimple Butterfly in a
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lot of ways, and I felt like it was criminally slept on He's been
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giving people different flows all the time, so to see people react in this
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way seems shocking because it feels like they haven't been paying attention. Now,
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how do I feel about a snippet, Well, it's a snippet. I
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don't really like snippet. I damn that. Don't even like singles at this
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point, because if you go to drop an album, then I feel like
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I need to listen to the entire experience to really judge where you are as
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an MC. In the past, I've kind of done that, you know,
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snippet thing with I did it with like Kanye's graduation and the Slippers had
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me like, I don't know. When I heard the album, I was
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like, what was I thinking? Same thing with Kendrick. He'll drop a
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single, I'm like, Oh, I don't know where he's going with this,
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and then you hear it within the context of the album, You're like,
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oh, now I get it. So that's how I feel about this
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Joey badass thing. This could be the worst song, this could be the
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only song like this, but we don't know. But he did respond two
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fans because one fan said the f is happening where the F is Joey,
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where's the hip Hop? And he responded to his fans on Twitter saying,
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feels good to be allowed to grow. I never needed permission, but thanks
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anyway, guys, new sounds all twenty four, whether you like it or
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not, and then he put it emoji winking. I'm kind of with him
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on that because my thing is if we don't like it, we don't like
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it, and people are free to say we don't like it. It doesn't
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mean they don't want you to grow, but maybe maybe they don't like it
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the direction in which you're growing, right, which is fine because there's gonna
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be people who will like it. Obviously when the album comes out. I'm
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gonna listen to it. I'm gonna review it on heir on a podcast,
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but I gotta say hearing that I wasn't offended by it. But I don't
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think it necessarily separates him from his counterparts in a lot of ways. And
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I think it's that identity thing again, where yeah, sure you don't sound
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bad doing this thing, but who doesn't do this thing? So if you
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haven't checked it out, check it out for yourself. It's a snippet.
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The single's supposed to be out soon so we can hear the entire song,
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so we'll see. And lastly, so Yasin Bey formerly known as most Death,
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did an interview where he was asked, do you think Drake is hip
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hop? And what I appreciated most about the most about his answer was the
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fact that he was honest. And I think that's dope because a lot of
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people think about the impact of their comments and the unwanted attention from the hordes
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of attention whares on social media who want to have a comment about your comment
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and just debate it forever. Right. Essentially, ya Simbe most Death said
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that Drake's music is more like it's not hip hop, it's more like music
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you would hear when you're shopping, like I would love to go shopping and
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hear Drake's music playing, and the Internet went crazy. You had people defending
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Drake, not knowing who most Death is and just saying the craziest things ever
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about him as a hip hop artist, then calling him a hypocrite for singing
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and doing things beyond hip hop, which if you're a most fan, we
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already know this, right, but the saying goes for Drake. If you
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are a Drake fan or if you're paying attention long enough, you already know
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that. Sure, there's a side of Drake that's probably you can consider pop,
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right, it's that lane. But you can't ignore the hip hop side.
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You just can't. He's had too many instances as far as raps with
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beats, boom bat beats since he started his career. He has enough to
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be considered hip hop, and he's been in numerous battles and he didn't sing.
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He didn't reply by singing. Just certain songs from Drake you're not gonna
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hear while you're shopping. Same thing with most is Drake hip hop? I
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would say yes, but it's complicated. Drake is very complicated because I don't
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feel at any point as far as official albums, that he released a straight
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up hip hop album. Now. I know. There's been comparisons to Fonte
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of Little Brother, who also sings, and probably most glaringly Lauren Hill.
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Let me tell your difference. Fonte is a rapper first. He may sing
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on Little Brother albums, but he's rapping full time right, while Pey is
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singer when one of the rappers can sing, right. His solo albums have
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been hip hop records, mostly rapping for the most part, just all rapping
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for the most part. Again, he may sing on a hook, it's
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light in compared to the rapping. The rapping dominates its hip hop albums.
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He has a group called Foreign Exchange, which is straight up singing, which
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is totally separate from Little Brother, which is totally separate from Fonte the rapper
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releases, but he still sings. Lauren Lauren Hill is known as an MC.
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First, her debut album contained more singing than rapping. But you can
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do that when you've already dropped rap albums, maybe not solos, but she
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was a part of a group called the Fujis. You know them freestyles everything.
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You know what I'm saying, So it is not the same. The
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reason why I say Drake is why it's complicated with Drake is it's without a
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doubt. There's no doubt that he's a rapper, right because he raps.
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He does, whether you like it or not, whether it's dope or it's
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him. Those records where he's stealing styles, still rapping. But as a
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person who is a fan, and I'm talking about myself, who has the
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majority of his work, there's not one album that came out where I felt
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like it was majority rapping, and I think that's because he blends it more
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than someone like a fonte does. Right, he'll rap a verse, then
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he'll sing a verse. Fontee do it on Little Brother, and it's comedy
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when he's singing, right, it's not a serious singing verse about the subject.
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It's comedy side of it. But Drake will do it where one verse
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he's rapping and then the next verse he's singing. And he'll do a whole
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album where he's rapping over house music, singing over dance, whole style music.
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So that's what I mean. It's complicated because it's almost like you can't
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really put him in one category. But I get it. Hip hop heads
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don't want him in hip hop. I remember when, well not I remember
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when, but a number of old school artists, as we could say,
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look at the style of rap. That's not zero two one hundred. We
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know that's Drake rapping. That's what Drake rapping sounds like. But his other
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stuff where he's rapping, where he's rapping like Negos or Yati or whoever,
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they'll say, oh, well, you know that's that's not hip hop.
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That's a subgenre of hip hop. I don't believe it's not hip hop,
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but if you call it a subgenre, I think that's appropriate, to be
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honest, because conscious hip hop is a subgenre of hip hop. Right,
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Gangster rap is a subgenre of hip hop. It's not saying that it's not
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hip hop. It's just that it's a specific type of hip hop that isn't
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what people consider to be. You know, I don't want to say generic,
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but evergreen hip hop? Right? What is evergreen hip hop? Is
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it boom back? Right? Is it taking it back to beats and bars?
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And if you don't do beats and bars, you're doing something like branched
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off from that, right, And I think it just gets silly as you
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constantly break it down from who's this and what's that? Like, we clearly
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know hip hop when we hear it, we do, and we know when
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we don't hear it. So I think the whole debate over whether he's hip
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hop or not it's silly. Of course he's hip hop. You know,
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he's proven it way too many times. I mean, he did the battle
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with push your te Just because you may feel like he lost, that doesn't
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mean that that duppy freestyle don't exist? How is that not hip hop?
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When you hear it? It is? But I get it, Honestly,
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these debates come down to who you like, how you feel, what you've
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experienced, you've been around, what you've learned in your experience, right,
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you could experience being around fights all the time, never been in one,
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or stop going to the places where people be fighting all the time while you're
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around somebody fights. You know that Annalygy is kind of crazy. But you
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know what I mean, you know, like, what have you learned?
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Right? What context that you have to go along with your opinion? Is
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it just I don't like him. I don't like him being associated with the
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people I like as a part of this group. I'm sorry. Most musicians
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and artists hate the labels anyway, and I'm not talking about record labels.
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They hate genre labels. Like jazz musicians at the time when they started calling
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the jazz did not like the word jazz. It did not They were calling
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it everything else, classical music, black, classical music, anything but whatever
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you made up to say, this is what this is. And it's the
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same thing. Sometimes when you watch interviews with some of these the older heads
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from hip hop from the beginning when you know they interviewed and you know sould
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was it called hip hopping? Was it rapping? And they was like,
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they have other definitions for it. Now we were calling it grooving. Were
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you gonna tell them, nah, you were doing hip hop. No,
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the regging industry told you that's what that was. The streets had other ideas.
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Same thing with the definition of freestyling. Right you hear Big Daddy Kane
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talk about it. You think about what it was in the nineties to some
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of us growing up, and then what the definition is today. It's almost
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like three different definitions for the same word, and everybody think their definition is
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right. So labels of labels, But it's all about what you do.
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