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Virginia Roberts Blasts Alan Dershowitz Claims Of Exoneration · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Recently,
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we found out that Virginia Roberts and Alan Dershowitz had
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decided to mutually end their lawsuits against each other, and
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there were a lot of questions as to why that
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would occur, and especially considering a Virginia's statement. Virginia stated
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that she could have misremembered or misidentified Alan Dershowitz. Now
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I said in that first episode that the wording is important.
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I could have, I may have. There was no definitive statements.
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And I also said in that episode that my guess
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was that it was because she has been litigating this
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for so long that she and her family had just
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had enough. And now we're hearing from Virginia Roberts directly,
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who spoke with a Daily Beast and who was saying
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pretty much that. So let's get to this article real quick,
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and let's see what Kate Bricklett over at the Daily
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Beast has for us. Headlined Epstein survivor Dershowitz isn't exonerated
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no matter what he says. This article was authored by
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Kate Bricklett. Last week, Virginia Roberts a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein,
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settled her defamation suit against the financier Pedophiles, one time
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friend and lawyer Alan Dershowitz, whom she'd long accused of
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sexual assault. As part of the deal, Dershowitz dropped his
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countersuit against her and his countersuit against lawyer David Boyce,
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who had separately sued Dershowitz for defamation. Moments after the
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ink was dry, the media published statements from the parties.
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In her remarks, Roberts said she long believed that Epstein
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trafficked her to Dershowitz, but she may may have made
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a mistake in identifying the Harvard professor as one of
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her abusers. Dershowitz wasted no time in taking a victory lap,
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appearing on Newsmax, Greg Kelly Reports and Fox five's Good
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Day New York and writing an op ed in The
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New York Post under the headline exonerated, Why I thought
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to clear my name in Jeffrey Epstein allegation? And if
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you notice, I didn't read that right. I don't really
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buy the whole Oh, I'm exonerated deal here, Okay. What
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I do believe is that this was just too much,
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and the litigation had become too much, and at some
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point your back can only carry so much of a burden.
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When should Virginia get some normalcy in her life and
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when should she stop having to carry the burden? You
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know's it's a legitimate question, and it's easy for people
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to criticize if they're they're not the ones carrying that burden.
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But I can't imagine all these years of litigation and
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people suing me and me suing them, and all the
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other lawsuits that are going on. And remember, this wasn't
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gonna see Alan Dershowitz go to prison or anything like that.
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This was a defamation suit. People disapproved of me being
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Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer and Donald Trump's lawyer. So a decision
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was made by people to frame me, dur to who
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it's told Kelly, and they used a young woman, and
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the young woman now acknowledges that she may have made
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a mistake to frame you, bro. Were you or were
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you not at Jeffrey Epstein's house? Did you or did
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you not get that massage? You already said you did
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get the massage. Now of course you say you had
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your underpants on and nothing ill and untowards happened. So fine,
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that's what you say, But to act like your a
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million miles away from all of this is just absurd. Now,
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that might work with people who don't follow the case
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or who might not be hip to what's going on here,
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but anyone who's been following this case for even a
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minute understands that even if even if all of the
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stuff that Virginia said about you was wrong and she
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misidentified you, how do you explain being part of that
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disgusting sweetheart deal that Jeffrey Epstein got. How do you
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explain that? And I don't even want to hear about
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the Trump stuff. That's just easy, you know, low hanging
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fruit for him to throw out there to try and
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bolster his case. But there's legitimate questions surrounding other aspects
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of your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. There's no doubt about that.
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My name has now been cleared, and I can go
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back to defending people and being controversial for good reasons,
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added Dershowitz, who for years has publicly denied Robert's claims
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and even accused her and her lawyers of perjury. Dershowitz
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walked back that accusation in his settlement statement, in which
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he said he has come to believe that at the
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time she accused me, she believed what she said. So
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you see Dershowitz here taking his little victory lap and
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talking about how he's been exonerated forgets the part about
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his concessions. And that's why I didn't even bother reading
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that op ed that he wrote ridiculousness, save the propaganda, homie.
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But in an exclusive statement to The Daily Beast, Roberts
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challenges Dershowitz suggestions that he's been exonerated of her sexual
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abuse allegations. And here's where the rubber meets the road.
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Right up until this point and this statement, we only
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had the statement to the court to go on about
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what Virginia was thinking or why she decided to go
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ahead and drop this lawsuit and have Alan Dershowitz in
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turn drop his, And now she's providing a little bit
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of context and a little bit of insight into that.
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I was shocked to read that Alan Dershowitz is claiming
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that our mutual dismissal of our lawsuits against each other
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somehow exonerated him. Robert said the litigation was very stressful,
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in damaging to my family and to my health. That's
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what I said in that first episode. And again, look,
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I don't have no direct line to Virginia, you know,
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we don't speak, you know, in DMS or in anything
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like that. But it just made sense to me considering
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how rough it is in the best of times when
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you're litigating something. I've seen friends of mine and family
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members of mine in a little different of a circumstance,
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obviously with it being criminal, but it really takes a
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toll on you. You lose weight, all of that stuff,
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and if you have health issues, it certainly can accelerate
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those health issues. So, like I thought in the beginning,
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that seems to be the likeliest reason for this. Now,
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what do you have to gain, right, what's the actual
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gain at the end of the lawsuit with Dershowitz, besides
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slamming the football and spiking at home and saying, look,
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you did this to me. Now, I'm sure that would
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be sweet, but you have to, you know, weigh the
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risk versus the reward, and the risk being here, more
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damage to the family, more damage to her health, and
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just more litigation that she feels like she doesn't need,
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at least according to this statement, we have endured year
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in which mister Dershowitz asserted my charges against him were
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a lie, made up out of a whole cloth, perjury,
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and part of a purported extortion plot. He has now
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admitted that there was no perjury, no extortion plot, and
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that rather than making up what I said, I honestly
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believe charges I made against him, and she is not
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wrong about any of that. You know, Dershowitz isn't gonna
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talk about his concessions. He's gonna try and frame it
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as a gigantic victory for him, and the detractors and
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naysayers they'll do the same thing. Whether or not mister
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dershowitz admissions undermine his previous denials of the charges made
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against him. Is for others to say, the settlement agreement
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limits what I can say, and I will abide by
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it unless and until I am released from it. However,
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those admissions are not consistent with exoneration, and I'm glad
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that she came out and set the record straight, because
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a lot of times, if you just keep your silence,
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you let narratives build and people run with those narratives.
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So a lot of times it's good to nip it
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in the bud and put your side out and then
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you can be done with it. Right. If I was Virginia,
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I wouldn't address it again. I said my piece, this
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is what's going on. I don't owe anybody anything else.
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I need to focus on my health and my family.
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That's what I would say. Stopping the false charges against
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me and securing mister Dershowitz's public acknowledgment of my good
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faith was important to me and my family. Roberts continued
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in her statement. However, I did not and would never
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exonerate mister Dershowitz in return. So there you have it
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in her own words, and really that's what the most
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important thing here is, right? What did she have to say?
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Reached my phone on Monday and asked about Robert's new
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comments that her statement fails to exonerate them. Dershowitz would
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only repeat his prior claims that Robert's accusations of it
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abuse were untrue. I challenge her to repeater allegation. Dershowitz
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told The Daily Beast, it's a total, complete, categorical lie.
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I never met her, and I proved it conclusively. Ask
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her to release all the evidence that came out in discovery,
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and you will see a total, incomplete exoneration. Dershowitz went
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on to say, I have waived every single right of privacy.
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I have waived every right of privacy to every tape, recording,
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every video, recording, every photograph. I asked her to do
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the same. A thirty nine year old mother of three, Roberts,
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first accused Dershowitz of sexual abuse. In December of twenty fourteen,
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Affi David filed in a federal lawsuit from two other
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survivors who sued the government over Epstein's lenient non prosecution
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agreement in Florida. In the court filing, Roberts alleged that
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Epstein and his ex girlfriend co conspirator General all Around
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Scuzbag fellow child abuser and by peterle serpent accomplice Gleanne Maxwell,
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forced forced her to become their teenage sex slave and
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sent her to powerful men to be sexually abused, including Dershowitz,
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French modeling agent Jean Luke Brunel, who killed himself in
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a Paris jail while awaiting child for rape, and Britain's
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Prince Andrew, who settled a lawsuit with Roberts earlier this
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year for millions of dollars. Now, I will say this
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for Dershowitz, at least he went through the steps here
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and took it through the court and came to this agreement.
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Now do I think that's a good idea for him?
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You know, Look, I wasn't in there. I don't know
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all of the evidence. But for him to run around
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and acts like he's been exonerated, that is quite the stretch.
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Robert's lawsuit against Dershowitz was filed in April of twenty nineteen,
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months before Epstein's arrest for trafficking miners in New York,
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and stems from his comments about her in the wake
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of The Miami Herald's investigative series on Epstein's plea deal.
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Later that year, Boys, one of Robert's lawyers who had
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represented her in other matters, filed a defamation suit against
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Dershowitz for accusing his firm of extortion and suborning perjury
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in connection to Robert's claims. For his part, Dershowitz filed
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a countersuit against Boys for defamation and intentional infliction of
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emotional distress. So he had two of the most powerful
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lawyers in the country dueling it out over these claims
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of misconduct, basically back and forth. Before last week's settlement,
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Boys had been conducting an ongoing deposition of Dershowitz, who
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testified that his relationship with Epstein changed completely after Epstein's
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two thousand and eight jail stint for soliciting minors. After
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he served his time, my relationship with him changed completely.
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It was no longer academic or social. But I did
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meet with him on a number of occasions, largely around
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the legal issues that were still remaining. And that's the
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likely excuse, right, and it's one that will give him
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tenable ground to say stands upon. Unfortunately, as a lawyer,
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he can say I was meeting with him for his
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legal issues, even if they weren't. Dershowitz testified, according to
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a transcript reviewed by The Daily Beast. As The New
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York Times reported, Dershowitz abruptly stopped the questioning in late
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September because of concerns about his health. I mean, come on,
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and then all of a sudden, they have the settlement here.
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So look, when you have a settlement, it's not just take.
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There's given take, And there was never any exoneration for
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Alan Dershowitz. In the comments that we have read, anyway,
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Dershowitz testified that he also had discussions with Epstein about
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the Middle East after his Florida conviction. He was friendly
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with a number of prominent Israelis and so we had
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conversations about the Middle East and the matters, legal matters. Oh,
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I'm sure he was. We know he was great friends
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with Edhud Barack, and I'm sure there's a slew of
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a bunch of other people that he was working with.
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He funded that company Carbine. Of his relationship with Epstein,
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Dershowitz added that, knowing that he was guilty of these crimes,
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that he had pleaded guilty of these crimes, my relationship
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with him was completely different than it was before I
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learned about the accusations. Emails cited in the deposition transcripts, however,
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seemed to paint a picture of a particularly chummy relationship
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between Epstein and Dershowitz even after the creepy money manager
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pedophile incarceration. Of course, they were still palin around. Come on,
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common sense says anyway, now dershel again, he'll use the excuse. Look,
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I was a lawyer. I was just doing my job.
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He had legal issues and I had to deal with them.
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That's what he'll say. In November twenty twelve, the deposition
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testimony reveals Epstein wrote Dershowitz, I love that I get
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a Christmas card and present from former assistant US attorney
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Matt Menchel, the guy that put me in jail. Dershowitz replied, appropriate,
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Christmas celebrates the birth of another innocent Jewish guy who
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was crucified. So we're going to compare Jeffrey Epstein to
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Jesus Christ? Is that what you're telling me here, mister
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Dershowitz and Matt Menchell sending this dude Christmas presents and shit. Bro. Yeah,
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the prosecution wasn't in on it. The prosecution didn't work
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with Epstein's lawyers to make sure he gets this sweetheart deal.
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Give me a fucking break already. Obviously, my answer was hyperbole,
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and it was paraphrasing Epstein's own stated views that he
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himself received in an inappropriately harsh sentence. Dershowitz, you said
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the same thing, Dershowitz testified. When asked about the message,
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he added that it bears not at all on the
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nature of the relationship between Epstein and myself during this
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period of time. And look, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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This is a silver tongued man. This is a man
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who knows how to deal with the deposition, has been
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involved in many, many depositions throughout his life, and somebody
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who knows how to navigate these questions. In May twenty thirteen,
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Epstein wrote to Dershowitz, where are you this summer? Dershowitz
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replied that he'd be on Martha's vineyard before adding where
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are you? I called you a couple of times when
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I was in NYC. Miss you. Yeah, that's the relationship
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of a client and a lawyer. A lot of these
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lawyers who do their job and defend scumbags, they don't
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want anything to do with the scumbags. Afterwards, they go
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on and live their life. Look, this is my job,
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and I respect those lawyers. You can be a lawyer
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and defend scumbag people and still be an honorable person.
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You have a job to do. I've said this a
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million times. It doesn't matter how much of a degenerate
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piece of garbage you are. In this country, everybody's entitled
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to legal defense, and if you can afford top notch
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legal defense. Hey great, but that doesn't mean the lawyer
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has to be your buddy. Afterwards. Dershowitz was also questioned
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about a twenty fourteen email with a friend Tom Ash,
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who wanted to visit Epstein's New Mexico land with his
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son to collect petroglyphs. Jeffrey Epstein said, of course. Dershowitz
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email to friend reads to which the power responds, how
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do we do it? Do we just show up there?
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Or do we need to call someone? Don't know? Try calling.
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If you can't reach anyone, I will call Jaye. So
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is this what you do with an acquaintance or a friend?
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Let me ask you put yourself in these shoes. Would
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you just be calling up an acquaintance and saying to him, hey,
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can my friends come on your land and look for petroglyphs?
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Or would that be a friend and that then that
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a request you would make from a friend. I know
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I wouldn't just ask some random or acquaintance that thanks.
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Maybe a young girl will answer, the friend wrote. When
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asked about that email, Dershowitz testify it's a joke. He
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later clarified, so obviously Ash was trying to make a
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bad joke, and it was a silly joke. He shouldn't
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have said it, but he said it. He doesn't mean
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it seriously. Oh no, not at all. It's just a
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big joke. Everything's a big joke, so garbage man. In
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Robert's exclusive statements to The Daily Beast, she also refers
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to the litigation between Boys and Dershowitz, who released their
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own statements as part of the settlement. Both Robert's and
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Boy's lawsuits courch Record show were settled without costs or
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monetary award. I also note that my statement needs to
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be considered in the context of the statement issued by
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mister Dershowitz and David Boys. Roberts continued in her statement,
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mister Boyce sued mister Dershowitz for charging mister Boys with
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so burning perjury and extortion. Mister Dershowitz flatly retracted those charges,
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and mister Boys dismissed his lawsuit. Mister Dershowitz sued mister
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Boys for charging mister Dershowitz with participating in Epstein's sex
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trafficking and other misconduct. Roberts continued, mister Boys did not
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retract any of those charges. By mister Dershowitz nevertheless dismissed
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his claims against mister Boyce. That too hardly seems like exoneration.
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And look, she's not wrong about that. I didn't even
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really pick up on that during the initial release, to
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be honest with you, but it's she's right. I have
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long believed mister Dershowitz participated in my sex trafficking. I
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have not and would not retract what I have said. However,
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under all the circumstances, I was prepared to acknowledge the
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possibility that I may have made a mistake in identifying
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mister Dershowitz as part of a resolution of all pending litigation.
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And right there is it signals to me the reasoning
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behind it. Right Virginia just didn't want to deal with
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it anymore, folks, That's what it looks like. And honestly,
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who can blame her? I was and am prepared to
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leave to the judgment of the public end of history,
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whether to accept that my belief, which mister Dershowitz acknowledges,
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was honest, or to accept mister dershowitz assertion that I
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was mistaken. Roberts concluded for over a decade Roberts was
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among Epstein's most high profile survivors, one who gave international
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media interviews about surviving Epstein's sex ring and about her
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accusations against Prince Andrew, and created a nonprofit for sex
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trafficking victims called Speak Out, Act Reclaim or SOAR. Her
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civil litigation against Maxwell, settled before trial, excavated much of
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what the public knows about Epstein's trafficking scheme and the
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bipedal's role in his world. So it was Virginia who
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blew the doors off of all of this, really, and
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her depositions and all of the case files that we see. However,
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remember there are countless other women out there who never
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came forward who were abused by these people. And while
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Roberts wasn't called as the witness at Maxwell's criminal trial,
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her name permeated the testimony. Manhattan Federal Judge Alison Nathan,
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at Maxwell's sentencing in June, ruled that Roberts was a
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victim in the conspiracy and allowed her lawyer to read
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aloud a victim impact statement from her court. Karen Battar,
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a partner at Say Barth shaw LLP, who represented boys
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in Dershowitz's countersuit pushed back on Dershowitz's claims that Robert's
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remarks have exonerated him. All that she said is I
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may be wrong. She never said she was wrong. She
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said she believes and continues to believe what she says.
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For him to twist that and claim he was exonerated
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is incorrect and it really couldn't be further from the truth,
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Batar said. Batar also said Dershowitz's media appearances likely violated
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the terms of the settlement agreement. Yo, okay, well maybe
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it did. Now, I wonder what would the penalties for
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something like that even be. The agreement was that under
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these circumstances, the parties would be limited to the contents
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of the statement that had been mutually agreed upon. But
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he Dershowitz immediately went well beyond the parameters of that statement,
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sought out the press, and violated the terms and intent
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of the agreement. For one to immediately disregard what they
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just agreed to is certainly atypical, but unfortunately, based on
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how Dershowitz conducted himself in our case, not surprising. And
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I can only imagine what was going on behind the scenes, right,
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you know, Dershowitz. This dude's pressing and pushing and straight
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up acting a fool. Imron and Zari, a lawyer for Dershowitz,
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told The Daily Beast that his client's recent media comments
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are consistent with the contents of the agreed statement. He has,
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in essence, repeated his denial as to Miss Robert's allegation
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of sexual abuse, an allegation that he has consistently denied
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as contained in the statement, while reiterating Miss Robert's statement
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that she may have made a mistake in identifying him
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as contained in the statement, and that there was no
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payment of any money by anyone or anything else as
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contained in the statement. As such, we disagree with the
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claim that mister Dershowitz is in violation of an agreement.
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And it's gonna be this kind of thing back and forth,
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a lot of legal ease. This is how Dershowitz rolls.
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He wants to make it as painful and as miserable
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for people as possible. And when you're a high profile
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lawyer and you can go through a lot of this
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stuff yourself, and it's a lot easier to litigate it,
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isn't it. It's also a lot less cost restrictive because
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you know the ins and outs and all the rest
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of the nonsense that comes along with being one of
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these high profile lawyers. But when this first broke and
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we were first talking about it, I figured that this
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was what it was, That Virginia Roberts had had enough
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and she wants to go on and live a normal
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life for the semblance of a normal life with her
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family and her loved ones. So there you have it, folks,
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Virginia's response to Alan Dershowitz taking a victory lap. And
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I figured it wouldn't be long before we saw this,
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so as new information pops up, like usual, we will
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add it to the catalog. All right, folks, it's gonna
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do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
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