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LISTEN AS EVIL STEPMOM'S BUSTED LYING TO CRIME ONLINE REPORTER & caught on neighbors home security camera. 11-year-old Gannon Stauch STILL MISSING. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation.
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  Speaker 1: Where is eleven year old Gannon Starch? The Colorado boy
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  Speaker 1: reporting him missing sparked off an intensive search, but I
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  Speaker 1: can't help but notice they started the search in the
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  Speaker 1: backyard of the home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Hello everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace is his Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: joining us on Fox Nation and Sirius XM twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Before we go to missing boy Gannon Starch, I have
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  Speaker 1: news to report. It's with a heavy heart. I report
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  Speaker 1: that Officer Brent Scrimshire of the Hot Springs Police Department
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  Speaker 1: was gunned down in the line of duty. At this time.
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  Speaker 1: Our prayers to him and his family. Let's switch gears
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  Speaker 1: now as we hold Officer Scrimshaw and his family in
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  Speaker 1: our minds, I want to take you out to the
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  Speaker 1: story of a missing little boy, Gannon Stotch, just eleven
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  Speaker 1: years old. My twins are just turned twelve and even
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  Speaker 1: now their little babies to me Gannon Starch missing or
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  Speaker 1: is he dead? Take a listen right now to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at koa A. This is NBC five. Katie blase.
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  Speaker 1: The community holding out hope that Gannon will be found,
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  Speaker 1: even tying up blue ribbons around the neighborhood, Gannon's favorite color,
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  Speaker 1: and distributing and coasting flyers like this. Gannon has brown
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  Speaker 1: hair and brown eyes. He's eleven years old. He's four
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  Speaker 1: nine and weighs ninety pounds, and he was last seen
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  Speaker 1: wearing a blue jacket and jeans. Now, we spoke with
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  Speaker 1: Gannon's dad on Tuesday and night, and he told us
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  Speaker 1: his son was last scene between three fifteen and four
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  Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon, that he was going to a friend's house,
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  Speaker 1: but didn't say which friend. The dad tells us in
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  Speaker 1: Gannon didn't return home a few hours later, that's when
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  Speaker 1: police were called. Now, a little after ten on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: the ol Passa County Sheriff's Office showed up at Gannon's home.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement were at the home and appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: searching in the backyard with some flashlights. Gannon's parents speaking
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  Speaker 1: about the search for their son just moments ago. I'm
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  Speaker 1: land and Hyatt, Gannon's mom, and I encourage you guys,
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  Speaker 1: I know many of you mothers and fathers. I encourage
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  Speaker 1: you just to seek find him I'm so thankful for
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  Speaker 1: all the outpouring help. You know, when you look in
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  Speaker 1: your backyard and you see police and vall tears searching
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  Speaker 1: with a flashlight, can you imagine not knowing for your
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  Speaker 1: eleven year old child is reporting him missing, sparked off
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  Speaker 1: an intensive search. But I can't help but notice they
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  Speaker 1: started the search in the backyard of the home with
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  Speaker 1: me an all star panel. Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer
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  Speaker 1: joining me today Adam New York, but practices in multiple jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: Former FBI special agent Jeff Cortesi, director of the Cold
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  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, forensic psychiatrist at doctor Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Bober on Instagram, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me out of
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  Speaker 1: the Florida Jurisdiction. Investigative reporter Crime online dot Com, Lee Egan,
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  Speaker 1: and also Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to start at A and then go to
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  Speaker 1: ZE first. I want to hear the mechanics of how
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  Speaker 1: this little boy somehow goes missing. Dave Matt give it
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  Speaker 1: to me in a nutshell, repeat nutshell. On January twenty seventh,
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  Speaker 1: Titias Stock says Gannon. Whoa, whoa, whoa? I I d
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  Speaker 1: for me. When you say, Titia Stock, that is Gannon's stepmother. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: she lived in the home with him and his father. Yes, no, yes,
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  Speaker 1: ma'am Okay. Stepmother Titias Stok, calls police when Gannon ostensibly
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  Speaker 1: does not come home after going to a friend's house.
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  Speaker 1: When police set her down to get a statement find
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  Speaker 1: out what happened, she said that Gannon left their home
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  Speaker 1: that afternoon between three pm and four pm to walk
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  Speaker 1: to a neighbor's home to play. Okay, stop right there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back to you. Dave Matt with me,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter. Okay, Cheryl McCallum,
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  Speaker 1: Director Cold Case Research Institute, you've heard of these free
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  Speaker 1: range children. Now. I was a free range child because
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  Speaker 1: both my parents were at work all day long. My
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  Speaker 1: dad at the railroad, my mom at a canning plant.
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  Speaker 1: So when we got home from school, we got ourselves
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  Speaker 1: in and after we did homework, I would take off
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  Speaker 1: on my bike and I wouldn't come home till I
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  Speaker 1: heard the chimes and the church steeple, or my mom
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  Speaker 1: or dad on the car horn. Okay, that was a
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  Speaker 1: signal to come home right now. So we were raised
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  Speaker 1: that way. But it's not like that anymore to just
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  Speaker 1: have your child walk to a friend's house and then
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  Speaker 1: you don't know when they're coming back, and then they
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  Speaker 1: don't show up and you have no idea what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I know the Free Rangers are going to get mad
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  Speaker 1: at me, Cheryl McCullum, but that's crazy talk. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: other issue here, Nancy is he's supposedly stayed home sick
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  Speaker 1: from school that day. So if he had been sick
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  Speaker 1: all day, as soon as the other children get home
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  Speaker 1: is usually not when any pair is going to let
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  Speaker 1: him go play. Well, if he was sick at home
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  Speaker 1: from school, why did he go to a friend's house
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  Speaker 1: much less on his own? Dave Matt Crime Online pick
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  Speaker 1: it up right there. So he walks to a friend's
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  Speaker 1: house and when it's time for him, did he have
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  Speaker 1: a set time to come home? He did? He was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to home by about he was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: home by about six pm. And okay, and he did.
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  Speaker 1: That's when the alert went out. Is that dark at
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  Speaker 1: that time, Jan twenty seven, I would assume that six
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  Speaker 1: pm is starting to get dark. Yeah, it would already
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  Speaker 1: be pitch dark. Actually, so I went down about five fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: You know that Mountain time zone just zone that time.
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  Speaker 1: But so he doesn't show up, and right, he's not
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  Speaker 1: home at time, and so when out when Gannon's father
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  Speaker 1: Albert gets home and Gannon's not there, stepmom says, well
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  Speaker 1: he went play, they called police, and the police they
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  Speaker 1: treated as if Gannon is a runaway. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to address something? Cheryl mentioned that he was home sick
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  Speaker 1: from school. That does kind of play into this whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: because Danny should have been in school that day, but
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't. He stayed out of school. Interesting. Interesting home
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  Speaker 1: sick from school to Jason Oceans veteran trial lawyer joining
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  Speaker 1: me out of New York. Jason, you have two children
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  Speaker 1: that you've managed to raise up and they're past thirteens.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when they were this big, but
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  Speaker 1: now they're grown. What happened? Did you let your children
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  Speaker 1: or did your wife let your children just leave and
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  Speaker 1: go to friends and come back. I'm not gonna judge
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  Speaker 1: you if you did, But did you? Nancy? I had
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  Speaker 1: the same experience as you did. The call for me
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  Speaker 1: back was my father's whistle. I can't whistle like he did,
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  Speaker 1: but my god, he could whistle with his fingers and
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  Speaker 1: just did you just say good right here? Don't don't
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  Speaker 1: don't drag him into this, please for Pete's sake. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to what you were saying. So you could run
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  Speaker 1: wild how I came home as we did. But what
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  Speaker 1: about your children? No, you couldn't do an environment this
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  Speaker 1: double ell. No, so you would take them to wherever
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  Speaker 1: they were going or walk with them right or you
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  Speaker 1: know it absolutely because there was fear based on social
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  Speaker 1: media and everything else information. You know, you just don't
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  Speaker 1: want to do that, and you check in, hey did
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  Speaker 1: you get there? Or you're following them on the phone
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  Speaker 1: if they have one. Oh, let me tell you something
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest decisions. It nearly tore
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  Speaker 1: our family apart, Cheryl McCollum. Do you remember it was
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  Speaker 1: on their eleventh birthday. I broke down and gave them
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  Speaker 1: cell phones. I did not want to do it, Cheryl.
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  Speaker 1: I told you this story because I think predators getting
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  Speaker 1: to children through their cell phones. But a friend of
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  Speaker 1: our's son, who knew he could dance and play music,
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be in the marching band at a football game, Cheryl.
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  Speaker 1: And so we went to this foot high school football
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  Speaker 1: game and I got to this stadium and the children
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  Speaker 1: did not come back. After twenty minutes. I let them go,
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  Speaker 1: and I started looking for them, Cheryl. All these parents
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  Speaker 1: were tailgating at a high school football game. They were
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  Speaker 1: out there drinking, and hey, I'm not the church lady.
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  Speaker 1: Drink all you want to. But I know, Cheryl, that
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  Speaker 1: adults do things adult males, particularly when they've been drinking
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  Speaker 1: in their inner crowd, they wouldn't normally do on their own.
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  Speaker 1: And Lucy and John David were going. I found them,
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  Speaker 1: but I swore that night I would get them a
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  Speaker 1: cell phone too early, or I did. Do you remember that.
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  Speaker 1: I do, and I remember you and I talked about
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  Speaker 1: it because that was one of the decisions for me
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  Speaker 1: with my children, you know, playing sports and being in
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  Speaker 1: two different fields at the same time, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: spitting the night with friends. I wanted them to have
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  Speaker 1: a way to get me if they needed me. So
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  Speaker 1: I made the same decision you did when they were
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  Speaker 1: much younger, to let them have a cell phone earlier
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  Speaker 1: than well. It also helps when you're stalking your children,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, they just played with their band at Disney. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: So there was David, you know, telling them like four
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  Speaker 1: cars behind, driving down behind. But I had the life
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  Speaker 1: three sixty so I could follow them all around is
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  Speaker 1: I did not follow them. I went and watched them play,
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  Speaker 1: and then I left to a discreet distance crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a little boy,
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  Speaker 1: eleven year old Gannon Stouch. Thank you for being with
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  Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation in serious XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to something I
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  Speaker 1: find very intriguing. Let me just call intriguing. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KKTVCBS eleven Spencer Wilson. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just ready for Gannon to come home, most importantly for
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  Speaker 1: him to see his family. But second, I am going
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  Speaker 1: to be so ecstatic when I'm able to say to
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  Speaker 1: people that I hope they have a really sincere apology
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  Speaker 1: for all these series that have came out online, for
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  Speaker 1: all the things they said that I have done or
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  Speaker 1: people have done. And I just want everyone to know
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to find Gannon. And I love him
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  Speaker 1: so much. I've helped taking care of him for so
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  Speaker 1: long you're talk to me a little bit about him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know him. Gannon is so kind and he
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  Speaker 1: loves to play video games. That's one of his favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: He loves Sonic and Mario. And you know, he's always helpful.
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  Speaker 1: And he was always so helpful with the dogs around
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  Speaker 1: the house and we have two little key dogs, and
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  Speaker 1: he was always like a person. I could say, Ginna,
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  Speaker 1: can you go do this? And he would do it
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  Speaker 1: right away. You know, sometimes with kids we have to
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  Speaker 1: remind them and things like that, and that's okay. But
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  Speaker 1: he was so sweet and able to help anyone. He
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  Speaker 1: could notice when you're sick and say are you okay?
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  Speaker 1: And such a kind heart. Did you hear that? You're
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  Speaker 1: hearing this stepmother Letitia's stouch. You know what, You just
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  Speaker 1: can't change your nature. You can't. And I used to
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  Speaker 1: tell jury's a story enclosing argument about mister Froggy mister Scorpion.
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  Speaker 1: Scorpion comes up to Frog and says, hey, can I
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  Speaker 1: ride your back across the river and mister Scorpion says no,
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  Speaker 1: you'll bite man, I'll die. As Scorpion says, no, I
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  Speaker 1: want because we both go to the bottom of the river,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll both die. Froggy thinks it over and gives
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  Speaker 1: him a ride. Halfway across, mister Froggy feels a pain
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  Speaker 1: go down his arm, and as he's sinking to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of the river to die with Scorpion on his back,
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  Speaker 1: he said, why did you do that? For now we
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  Speaker 1: both will die, and mister Scorpion says, I can't help it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just my nature. To doctor Daniel Bober Forensics, like
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  Speaker 1: Hizra's joining me out of Florida. Did you hear the
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  Speaker 1: stepmother start talking about how she Gannon's missing, and she's
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  Speaker 1: talking about she wants an apology and starts referring to
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  Speaker 1: Gannon in the past tense. She begins, he is, he is,
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  Speaker 1: he is, and then she switches to he was always
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  Speaker 1: so helpful, he was so sweet. Did you hear that, Bober? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I heard it, Nancy. I mean any situations, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you always start in and you work your way out.
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  Speaker 1: So it definitely is very concerning, for sure, Doctor Bober,
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  Speaker 1: you sound like a psychiatrist, and I don't mean that
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  Speaker 1: in a good way. Right now, you said it's concerning.
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  Speaker 1: The boy is gone, the stepmother who was with him,
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  Speaker 1: that Day is worried about herself getting an apology because
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  Speaker 1: people have questioned her child rearing, her child rearing tactics.
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  Speaker 1: She's worried about an apology when her child is missing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't make me tell you the story about when John
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  Speaker 1: David went missing and babies or us, because I will
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  Speaker 1: I did not care who looked at me in my
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  Speaker 1: horrible outfit, in my old tennis shoes, screaming for John
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  Speaker 1: David to lock the doors. I couldn't find him. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't care what anybody thought. Why she's so worried about
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  Speaker 1: an apology. Yeah, I mean, at the very least, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like her priorities are a little bit misplaced. At
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  Speaker 1: that point, I can say, you're a tough nut to crack, Bober,
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  Speaker 1: I see that right now. Well, you know what, Jeff Cortesi,
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  Speaker 1: former FBI special agent, you've seen it all. What do
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  Speaker 1: you make of what step Mama is saying? She wants
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  Speaker 1: an apology? And this starts speaking about the child in
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  Speaker 1: the past tense. You remember when Scott Peterson did that
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  Speaker 1: she was amazing. He said that about Lacy and I
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  Speaker 1: went berserk. Why would you talk about this child in
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  Speaker 1: the past tense? Yeah, No, absolutely, Nancy. I mean it
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  Speaker 1: jumps right right out at you. When as soon as
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  Speaker 1: she starts speaking very odd behavior, immediately talking about herself,
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  Speaker 1: she's very kind of comfortable, doesn't seem as concerned at
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  Speaker 1: least over the audio version, and then speaking of the
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  Speaker 1: young man in past tense, those are all going to
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  Speaker 1: be it's not even a young man, he's a baby.
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  Speaker 1: He's eleven years old. Eleven years old, I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: the fifth grade, maybe the sixth grade. Okay, I want
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  Speaker 1: you to hear more of what step mom says. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to KKTV CBS eleven reporter Spencer Williams. Do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like these are just internet detectives who think
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  Speaker 1: they know what they're doing? It definitely is. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing that kind of saddens me. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to talk about someone like that and
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  Speaker 1: have a witt un out for them, why would you
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  Speaker 1: even care like about doing those things? Because this is
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  Speaker 1: a child. You're telling me that you're just as mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're just as hateful to talk about someone else like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I feel like we just should not we
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  Speaker 1: should all come together and wait until the end and
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  Speaker 1: see what happens, because Gain's going to come home. Any
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  Speaker 1: message for gaining the message for Gannon I have is Gannon.
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  Speaker 1: When you get here, you'll be able to truly tell
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And then I really hope I get a
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  Speaker 1: sincere apology from everyone who has made all those things,
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  Speaker 1: especially from my husband. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, Director cole Case
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  Speaker 1: Investigative Research Institute, that's quite a mouthful, Okay, Cheryl McCollum.
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  Speaker 1: You know what. I know that there are lie detectors.
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  Speaker 1: I know that there are behaviorists that watch the movements
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  Speaker 1: the eye blinks, the movements of the mouth, the phraseology.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they do their experts. But after putting I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many would you say, three or four
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  Speaker 1: or five thousand witnesses on the hot seat? You can
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  Speaker 1: tell when someone is all about themselves. And in this case,
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  Speaker 1: all she's talking about she's not crying, she's not upset,
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  Speaker 1: she's not begging the public for help. She's talking about
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  Speaker 1: getting an apology. And that disturbs me. Cheryl McCollum, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it desturbs me. She has clearly made U all about her.
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  Speaker 1: She has not asked for the public to help look
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  Speaker 1: for him. She has not pleaded for somebody to return him.
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  Speaker 1: She has not said anything tearfully to him, like I
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  Speaker 1: love you or we're waiting here for you. She just says,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's gonna come. My only what he does
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  Speaker 1: all he gon apologized to me and Nancy's my you know,
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  Speaker 1: barometer for this whole thing is always Elizabeth smart family.
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  Speaker 1: When she was missing. Remember her daddy and all of
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  Speaker 1: his brothers said, give us lie a texture, come take
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  Speaker 1: our DNA, whatever you need to do. They wanted law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement to do the job they had to do, but
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  Speaker 1: ultimately look for her. Get me off your list and
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  Speaker 1: go find my child. You're absolutely right, that's what Ed
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  Speaker 1: Smart and all of his male relatives did. I always
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  Speaker 1: think about Mark Klass. Mark Klass, his daughter Polly went
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  Speaker 1: missing from her mother's home. She was having a spend
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  Speaker 1: the night party that night, she had several little girlfriends
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  Speaker 1: over and Polly goes missing out of her own bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: And the first thing when Mark Klass found out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: within an hour, he immediately said, take my fingerprints, check
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  Speaker 1: out my alibi. Whatever you need me to do, I'll
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  Speaker 1: do it so you can move on and start looking
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  Speaker 1: for Polly and looking for the person that took her.
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  Speaker 1: That's the gold standard right there, right there, and that's
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  Speaker 1: not what I'm seeing. Back to you. Hold on with
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  Speaker 1: me now, Lee Egan, crime online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: who has been speaking with the stepmother who I guess
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  Speaker 1: Lee would she would call you sporadically? Is that correct? Yes, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: She would call me from Actually she never gave her
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  Speaker 1: phone number. She would call from an email your ID
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, no caller ID. It would come up,
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  Speaker 1: no caller ID. Interesting, she blocked her number somehow. She
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't let me have seven, just so you know, go ahead. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she whatever she did, she made sure that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have her number. But she would call me and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we did speak in depth and she did give quite
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a mouthful. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys, thank you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series eleven.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories and we are
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: bringing you the latest on the case of a missing
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: little boy, Gannon Stouch. Right now, we're talking about his
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: stepmother that lived in the home with him. It seems
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: hell bet on getting an apology from people who pointed
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the finger at her because of her Let me just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: say child rearing tactics. Back to yugli Agan Crime online
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what are some of the things
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a stepmother told you? Well, Nancy, she started out telling
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: me exactly what she did that day, Monday, January twenty seventh.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I'm curious what did she do? She said that she
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: took him to go to play it against. Remind you,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he's homestick from school. So you confirmed that with her
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that he had been homesick from school. Well, what was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: his ailment? May I ask? Stomach ache, nausea issues. He
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: was pooping in his hands and then he had bounced
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: between diarrhea and constipation at age eleven. Angelish She said
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: it was from medication. I guess side effects from a medication.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But then she added that he's always had these issues,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: so it's one or the other. But either way, she said,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he was sick stomach ache, so she brought a white bag,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a white plastic bag for him to hold in case
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: he had to vomit. And the reason she told me
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: this was because neighbor Roger Drayton has a sill. Surveillance
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: footage of Gannon holding a white bag in his head,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and she was trying to explain what that was for.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So she takes this little boy to play it against sports.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Play it again sport. Yes, it's a youthful sporting right
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: where you can buy and sell equipment. And I guess
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they have surveillance video of her taking him there. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: don't know that. We do not know that police will
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: not release that information. Hey Jack, will you just google
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that for me really quickly. I don't recall hearing that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: either it's playing against sport and where they sell like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: used volleyballs and ski gear and lacrosse, whatever sport you play,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they had used equipment there you can buy. I haven't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: heard anything about surveillance video there, but they may have
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it and have not released it. But you know what, Lee,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: now that I'm talking about it, Hold on, Cheryl McCollum,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: don't you think if they had the video at their
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: video existed of stepmom in there with him, it would
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: have been released to show the public, to see if
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: anybody could verify it or follow her our seor lady,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and to see if there's any secrethenders in there, if
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: there's anybody lurking around here. That tells me it doesn't exist.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not popping up. That's my first
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: guess that it doesn't exist, or I think they would
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: have released it by now to get public tips and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: information go ahead, Lee Egan after Played Again Sports, she
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: says they went to Castle Rock, that's about an hour
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: away from her home in Colorado Springs. They went to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Castle Rock to buy a surprise birthday bicycle for her
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: husband Al he was out of town working at the time.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Did she actually buy the bicycle? No, and she actually
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: never bought anything from Played Against Sport. Tell me what
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: does castle Rock? Explain? That it's about an hour away?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And she said she took the back roads to get
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: there because there was a wreck on the main highway. Really, now,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: there was police searching around Douglas County, which is Castle
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Rock is in Douglas County. Law enforcement and searchers were
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: searching all around that area, and she was putting herself.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: She was trying to explain to me why her GPS
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: or her Apple smartwatch, because she left her phone at home,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: why her Apple smartwatch would have pained in that area.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And she's explaining, well, that's simple. We went to Castle
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Rock to find al a bicycle you know at home? Yes, okay,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I've got a problem with that, Jason Oceans. You know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I love cell phones. I love cell phones because they
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: can tell me where a defendant went. And here she's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: left her phone at home, but apparently forgot about her
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Apple Watch and it pinned in that area. So she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: takes a sick child, who, as she says, is pooping
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in his pants. I don't know that. I do you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: believe that with an eleven year old boy, Yeah, I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: guess he could. You'd think you could get to the bathroom.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But if he's doing that, Jackie, why would she, Jason,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: why would she take her child an hour away to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: go shot for a bicycle that they didn't buy if
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: he's that ill, if he's having diarrhea and throwing up
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: so badly, man, I'd have John David Lucy in the bed.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You have him in bed, Nancy, you're you're a good mom,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and that's the right thing to do. So everything here
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is breaking protocol, right, Why would you if you're if
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: your child is you know, now incontinent because of a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: diarrhea and throwing up, and you take him out of school?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Now you're exposing them to going outside and driving a distance.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: None of it me sense. Okay, yeah, it's speaking about
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the pastor none of it fits man. So Lee Egan,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you're telling me she left her cell phone at home,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: but she forgot about her Apple Watch and it pained
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in that area. So she's explained to you why she's there. Yes,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: she's assumed it pained in the area because they were
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: searching all over the exact area she drove through. Okay,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: hold on to I mean, this is new information. I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: trying to assimilate everything you're saying. So if she goes shopping,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I assumed that there's surveillance video of her looking at
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: bicycles and a shopping in a mall or at a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: sports store. She never stopped. She said, we went to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: see about it, but I never actually bought it, so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we don't know. She won't She wouldn't even give me
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the name of the bicycle shop. Bober, Bober, please come
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: come down out of your ivory tower. Doctor Daniel Bober,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrist. If I'm giving you my movements and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: call you and I say, hey, you're with crime Online,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you what I did that day,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: but I've blocked my phone number. I won't tell you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: which store I went to, or whether I bought anything,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or whether I even entered the store. You don't have
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a problem with that, doctor Bober, of course, Nancy. Listen,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: there's red flags all over this. You know. I'll tell
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you what you want to know, but only what I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: want to tell you, though. I mean, it's very suspicious
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of only what I want you to know. Okay, lee
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: A can pick it up. What else, hey, Nancy, Okay,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: so there was something else too. I forgot to mention
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: she the surveillance footage, you know, circling back around to that,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: because she was explain She was explaining to me why,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: what happened, when and how, just trying to explain her
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: actions away. She insists that the surveillance footage taken on
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Monday actually happened on a different day. What surveillan's footage
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of the neighbor. Yeah, so neighbor Roderick Drayton, he took
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: he had his footage picks up sound, it picks up everything,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it's in color, it's full, it's clear. And he told
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: me that on Monday at ten twenty six am. He
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: sees Gannon looking very sick, looking very drugged, can barely
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: walk to the truck, gets in the truck with Titia
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Letitia Stouch and leaves to twenty eight I'm sorry. Two
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: twenty pm. Letitia Stouch returns home alone. Gannon is not
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: with her now. When I spoke to the stepmother, she
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: claimed that that never happened. That back to the white bag.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: If you look at the white bag in his hand,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I gave it to him that day because he was sick.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And if you see this other video, he has a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: white bag. There was another video, but it was on Sunday.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So what she's trying to do is she's trying and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I you know, it's up to law enforcement that tells
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: us the truth. But from the neighbor, he's saying that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: she's switching the dates up. Well, listen to the neighbor,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Roderick Drayton next wall. Like that Sunday when they went
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to the garden to guard I watched him on my
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: video out back playing him and his sister. They were
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: playing outside by the truck. And then when they got
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: rid of leave heard chief said gammon, get on one
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: side and atlantic the other side. I could hear her
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: tell him that sat that in the left. They came back,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he got a truck, he got of the car and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he ran into the house. So he was trying fundays.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: That Monday, when I was just looking through, I saw
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: him walking and he just didn't looked the same as
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he did. Something he saw. I was like, something isn't right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: He doesn't look the same he looks you know, I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: said he looked drugs or he just just didn't looks
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like the same vibrant kid he did Sunday, even when
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he was when they got back from the garden to guard,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: because I've seen him getting the truck before, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: just just see him getting his dad trucking him driving off.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: He just hot right and trust and show the door.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And that day it just he just didn't seem right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: He just seemed like something was bothering him or hurt him,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and he just didn't seem the same kid from Sunday.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You were listening to the neighbor, Roderick Drayton speaking to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Dave mac at Crime Online. You know, Dave Mack, you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: got in touch with the neighbor and he told you
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that and a whole lot more. As a matter of Fact.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Roderick Drayton tells
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: our investigative reporter Dave mac I went over to if
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and I'll say, hey, I have a camera that you
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: know this that I could see, you know, if anybody
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: came back, beat them up, you want to watch it?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And first thing she said was no, he went the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: other way. He didn't come towards your house. So I
• 29:28
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  Speaker 1: and Exploited Children. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. But at Saturday,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the FBI and the company was one of my actingbost
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: so that he could watch the camera. And the guy said,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: look at I watch your and he looked at my
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: mind back room and didn't go back to Saturdays. So
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: he looked back to Saturdays and he just downloading stuff.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So my wife and I we went out to the movies.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Can they come on? Lay? Why did you go back
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to Saturday? Something isn't right. So I just when we
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: got back home, I just looked through hundreds and hundred
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: videos and just and I caught that and that was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like wow. And the first thing in the morning, I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: got up, I knock doing this door. I was like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you might want to see this video. You're hearing the neighbor.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And I find this particular spot to be very very probitive. Everybody,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nations
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: us XM one eleven again and starts still missing. Take
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a listen to cut twenty eight Jack. If I watched
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the video at least twenty thirty times, I can get
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to a thousan times and then me make sure. At
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: first I watched his own the tablet and zoom in.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I can zoom in, I can look. I saw no
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: fee I can, and I turned it out and I said, okay,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: let me thank you the bye. She get out. She
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: goes the door, grinds are open, she gets alarm and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a dark ground. Nobody get out. But then I look
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: at him on on the TV, so then you get
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a better you. And I put my phone to the TV,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: so I can, you know, get him a better of you?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he never, He never got
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: into trucks when I went over to a doctor show
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: him straight back out to Lee Egan, Crime online dot
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Lee, explain to me what the neighbor
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: is saying today. So what he's saying is when he
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: saw a t sha come back home on Monday, January
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh, it was about two twenty pm. She got
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: out of that truck alone. Now here's camera just her
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: leaving that morning with Gannon. When she comes home, she's alone.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: He's nowhere to be found. He has not been seen since. Now.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: What Titia Latitia is saying is that Rogerick is showing
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: us the wrong video. That he's showing a different day,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: because if it was the same day, then that we
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: would have seen Gannon because he did come home with her.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And Roderick's trying to explain absolutely not. I have sound,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: it's in color. It's clear. I know what I saw
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and I did not seek Annon get out of that truck,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and law enforcement did tell him. Thank you this is
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a break we needed, so apparently, you know, it's something
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that has been very helpful in the investigation. Jackie. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: want to hear Roderick Drayton in cut twenty two talking
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: about the FBI coming and seizing the videos. I've been
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to Gage just you know, during the summertime working on stuff,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: but you know, just casual. You know, Wayne about it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Did you reach out to the police or to al
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: first when you realized you had video of Gannon leaving
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the house? Well, drot A long ans Sod. I went
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: over to his house and I showed the video and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Dan once he started, he called the st GI and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: they came over and took maybe sixty to seventy or
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: maybe an eighty videos they had reported, So they got
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: your whole supply of videos on either side of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: last video that captured Gannon. Yes, they have from from
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that battery until that Ballward week or they have all
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of the day and night my phone, my Famira record
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: twenty four seven. It never starts reporting. It's not like events,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: not like Tom wal Tine. It takes up its just
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: constant records. Dave Matt with me Crime Online dot Com
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave mc didn't he also tell you this
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: is Gannon's neighbor. That the camera records constantly and allows
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: him Roderick to watch on his iPad, his tablet, his TV,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: his phone. He can zoom in and zoom out of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the picture. He can slow mo. He could see who
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: got out of the truck. The video has as Lee
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: was telling us, sound, He can actually hear the stepmother,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Letitia Staunch, get out of the truck, set the alarm,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: shut the garage door, and nobody got out of that truck,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but her not Gannon. Absolutely right, Nancy, And that's why
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the sound actually is very helpful in that because you
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: can hear what Titia is doing and that Gannon is
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: not there. You can actually hear her opening the garage door,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: setting the alarm, closing the garage door. You can hear
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: her footsteps as she moves. And again there is only
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the sound of Letitia. There's never a sound of Gannon too.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Jason notions, New York defense attorney. That's why we have
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment. See if she had waited, as you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: would advise your clients, till all the physical evidence had
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: been amassed, then she would have could have crafted a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: story to match the forensic evidence. But now she's already
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: locked herself into taking Ghanna to the sports use sports equipment,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: taking him to Castle Rod to go shopping for a bicycle,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: taking back roads, marrying herself to a timeline. And she
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: also did that when she called Lee Egan repeatedly on
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the phone at Crime Online. So she's committed to these
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: various statements. Sorry, Lee, they can always say you're lying, okay,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: because it's not on video, it's not on audio. Get
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: ready for that. But Jason, she's locked herself into a statement.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And now the neighbor, unbeknownst to her and really unbeknownst
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to him, has everything they did that day outside the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: home recorded. Don't you just hate that? Yeah, well, she
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: didn't calculate that in her in her planet, would see
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: right referring to her stepson in the past tense. She
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: she didn't have that plan down, Nancy. And criminals are
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: take care of, you know, opportunists, but generally most get
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: caught because they don't think everything out. They don't deal
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: with this every day, whereas trained professionals or prosecutors or
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: defense counsel do. And you see the shortcomings and in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: her story, and as you say, backed herself into something
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that's certainly that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Shortcomings
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in her story. Some would call it an outright lie,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: but fine, you go with the perfume on the pig.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl McCallum, director Coal Case Researches, did you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you know what this reminds me of? Remember Shenan Watts
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and the husband, the killer husband, the killer dad Chris Watts.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Remember when his neighbors outside surveillance video caught him packing
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the car. They see Shenango in and she never comes out,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and he's actually packing the bodies of Shanan and their
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: two children, little Celeste. Oh so beautiful. But anyway, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he's on video in the hull neighbor's home. When they
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: show him the outdoor video, he can't believe. Right, that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: video disproves everything he's told police. Remember that, Oh, I do. Nancy,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: she thought she was gonna be able to explain everything
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: away when she didn't know what direction knew bent. She
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: claimed she was in the basement when headphones working out.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: She didn't know anything. When they found blood, Oh, he
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: had cut his foot. I mean, she had an answer
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for everything. This is gonna be the end results. When
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: they recover his body, he will be wearing the same
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: clothes from that Monday, and she will have no excuse
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: for that. You know, when I've been sitting here, Cheryl,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: as we did so many many times, sitting around the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: district attorney's table, talking about this piece of evidence and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that piece of evidence, and what about this, and what
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: about that? When you just said that about how Gannon
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: ultimately is going to be found wearing the same clothes
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: he had on that day when the neighbor you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: coincidentally inadvertently videoed him and really brings it home to me,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: this little boy is dead. Sadly. Yeah, yeah, you know, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: this morning when I dropped the children off at school,
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  Speaker 1: watched them walk in. You never think that will be
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  Speaker 1: the last time that you may ever see your children again.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at KKTV eleven. This
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  Speaker 1: is Diane Derby and Dawn Ward. It's a stepmom accused
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  Speaker 1: of murder reportedly slipped out of her handcuffs in the
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  Speaker 1: back of the vehicle and attacked a deputy who was
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  Speaker 1: helping bring her back here to Colorado. Sources tell eleven News.
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  Speaker 1: The deputy was taken to the hospital with injuries and
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  Speaker 1: that is why her transport was suddenly stopped, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why Latitia Stalk was jailed in Kansas for about twelve hours.
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  Speaker 1: This is the arrest photo of her taken in Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: She was released overnight and we don't know yet if
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  Speaker 1: Stalk's going to face any additional charges for the attack
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  Speaker 1: on that deputy tonight. We've asked the Opasso County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: office for a comment and we're told they cannot comment
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  Speaker 1: on that transport. Well, I can guarantee you this, she
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  Speaker 1: will be charged if she attacked a deputy for Pete's sake.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, the stepmother, which truly feeds into the notion
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  Speaker 1: of the evil stepmother, Letitia T. Stoch, has been charged
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  Speaker 1: with murder. The search for Gannon goes on tipline seven
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  Speaker 1: nine three nine zero five five five five Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend.