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Edward Scissorhands · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  If we lived in the same neighborhood, we would
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  constantly be like like looking out our windows on the phone
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  with each. Other Yeah, I'm like, Elizabeth,
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  did you see that strange man that got a Peg's house or car?
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  Like I'd be like what run over to my window.
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  I'll be right there. Don't.
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  Don't go without me. Oh my God.
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  Hello and welcome to the Arctic costume.
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  I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm your friendly suburban
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  husband, house husband, Spencer Williams oh.
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  My gosh, you would make such a good house, husband Spencer.
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  Do you know what? I've been pitching that to so
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  many people lately. I, you know somebody will take
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  the pitch one day and like you are going to have the house
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  cleaned, the dinners made. If there are children, you will
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  have like you'll put you'll be the house husband who puts like
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  little notes in their lunches like you got them chance.
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  Your daughter will absolutely be submitted to all the toddler and
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  tiara. Oh, yes, definitely that.
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  We've talked about that before. Off camera before definitely.
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  Talked about that a lot. You want to be a pageant, dad?
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  Hi everyone. Welcome back.
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  It's been a little while, Elizabeth, since I've seen you
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  actually happy. Happy.
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  Holidays. I hope you had a great
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  Thanksgiving. What's been going?
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  On I I had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
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  I went up to Portland, ME, spent it with my sister.
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  So it was just like very, very chill, a little too cold.
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  But you know, it is like farther up north to be expected.
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  No? I had a really good time and now
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  I'm back at home and I'm ready to decorate for Christmas.
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  Make some cookies, Spencer. I can't believe you have it
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  decorated already. I'm busy.
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  I got a tree. Oh, she has a little baby tree
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  in the background. That's.
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  I do have a little baby tree, but I love your tree.
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  I like that you did Nightmare Before Christmas again.
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  Yeah, that's what I always do. And I'm not going to change it
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  up. Actually, my dad saw it and he
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  was like, oh, wow, all these ornaments are like stuff that
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  you like. And I was like, yeah, yeah.
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  It's shocking. Everything.
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  It's what I do. Yeah, it's been busy.
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  I I for Thanksgiving. I think we talked about it.
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  I went to Disneyland for I'll Do It.
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  No. I didn't.
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  Scratch that. That was like The Hunger Games
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  episode. Daniel scratched that out.
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  You went to Disney? So I went to Disneyland on
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  Thanksgiving and it was crazy fun, actually wasn't as packed.
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  So it worked out. Yeah, I imagine so.
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  That sounds like so much fun. Oh.
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  My gosh. And I got instead of like
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  regular Thanksgiving food, I had multiple corn dogs.
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  The limit did not exist on corn dogs.
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  Disney has better food than corn dogs, Spencer.
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  Disney. Has like nice restaurants.
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  Did you? Not.
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  Yeah, of course. But the corn dogs, Are you
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  serious right now? Yes.
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  I've never had a Disney corn dog though, so maybe.
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  I shouldn't. That's where it's at, OK?
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  These Disneyland corn dogs are where it's at, right?
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  I'm sure everyone at home right now.
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  People are probably pulling over their cars right now.
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  For this conversation. Disneyland corn dog really hits.
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  I did want to go to the new Princess Tiana's place.
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  Oh, was that open over there? Yeah, it's open, but my family
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  didn't want to go that spicy food, too spicy for them, So
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  corn dogs. It was bon appetite and it was
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  still worth it. So better than Turkey?
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  Yeah. I will say, though, so the
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  Turkey we have was pretty good. So we go to my sister's
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  neighbors. They host a whole bunch of like
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  people. And the husband?
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  First off, they smoke the Turkey.
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  Oh, nice. 'Cause they have a smokehouse,
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  so they smoke the Turkey and then and then he deep fries it
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  like. Like in the big old boiling pot
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  that I see on TikTok. I want to do that so bad.
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  Man, he does it. Come up and visit next next
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  Thanksgiving. We'll go up together.
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  I've always on TikTok. They never show the end result.
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  They just show the Turkey being lowered into the fat of oil.
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  I never see the end result. No, it's really good and like
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  the smoking like gives it like a nice a nice flavor.
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  Man, it's not as moist as like someone who's like really paid
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  attention to their Turkey in the oven and like basted it
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  correctly and everything right? But it's like, it's not like it.
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  It like has like a nice, even like texture.
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  It's not, it's not super dry, which last year that's what I
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  was worried about. I was like, is this, this
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  doesn't seem right. And then it was really good.
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  I was like, oh, OK, but no, that's fun.
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  He's like. Out there, like all day.
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  Yeah, we can still talk about food.
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  I feel like I'm going to freak out.
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  Well, we've been busy, busy. We've, you know, so many new
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  costume nerds. This morning we had a meeting
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  because we got our results, our annual, you know, Spotify raft
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  happened, which probably we're going to talk about that in a
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  second. But for the podcast, we did
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  very, very well this year. I'd be 80% of our audience is
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  new as of 2023, which is. Crazy all for joining us.
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  That's so exciting. Like, I knew we had grown a lot
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  and we'd gotten like so many new listeners.
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  And I was like, oh, this is exciting.
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  And then like to see the numbers of it on our raft.
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  I was like, this is incredible. Like you all.
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  Like, thank you so much. It's really crazy and wonderful.
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  Yeah, it blew my mind. I texted Daniel and Elizabeth
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  immediately upon waking up. But before we get into the
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  subject first, what did your Spotify rap to look like?
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  That's okay. This is a safe space.
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  It looked like I'm an absolute Swifty.
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  Yeah, that's what it looks like. We do it like I'm a top 1%
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  Swifty, which I did. Didn't know was happening
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  through the year. That's dangerous levels of
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  swiftiness. I know, I Spencer.
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  I didn't even know what was happening.
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  We we all knew Elizabeth. Yeah, that's fair.
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  I've talked about it a lot this year.
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  Unfortunately for me, my Spotify wrapped.
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  The 1st 2 songs were sung by Baby Billy Freeman from The
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  Righteous Gemstones. Probably thinks of this podcast.
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  So when? You told me like, oh, I'm
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  listening to the righteous gemstones.
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  Like when we were doing the episode, I was like, oh, OK,
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  Because I feel like a lot of times when there's like, music
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  you really like in like a movie or a show, we do.
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  I feel like you'll listen to it for like a week or two, and then
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  you'll, like, move on to other things.
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  And now I'm sitting here like, how often are you listening to
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  Baby Billy that it was your top two songs?
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  Yeah, it's real bad. I stopped though.
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  It's been a while. That's why it really caught me
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  off guard. I mean, it hasn't completely
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  stopped, but it's mostly stopped.
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  Yeah, that was pretty awkward. Well, I'm glad that that
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  happened, Elizabeth. Today is a special day.
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  It is. This is our 100th episode of the
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  Art of Costume podcast. Yes, it is on our first holiday
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  episode of the season could not have worked out better unless it
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  was the very last episode of our season, which would have worked
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  out better, but you know. We don't make the rules.
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  Yeah, we don't. Kind of, but.
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  We don't always count well, if I'm being honest.
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  Well, we did have a very long strike which kind of moved our
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  schedule along, which by the way the strikes have come to
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  resolutions since the last time we talked also.
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  So this. Is this is literally the first
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  time we've recorded an episode and talked since the strikes
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  ended, which I'm like. Yeah, I'm so, so glad to hear it
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  and I'm glad that everyone was able to stick together and see
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  this thing through the end. And you know, this doesn't mean
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  a lot of people are going to get back to work right away.
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  A lot of people been out of jobs for 1213 months.
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  So through it all, the Art of Costume podcast is here for you
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  all and I hope everyone gets to get back to work soon so.
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  Absolutely, yeah. And the contract's not signed
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  yet, so just wherever you can help people, help them.
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  Right, right, right. Well, all right, Elizabeth, What
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  are we watching for our 100th podcast episode?
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  Spencer We are returning to a classic of two of our favorites.
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  This week we watched Tim Burton's Edward Scissorhands.
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  Yay. I'm so excited.
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  I'm also excited because I pitched Elizabeth months ago to
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  watch Edward Scissorhands for our holiday month and I I said
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  it was a holiday movie. But then when I went to watch
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  it, he actually was like, I hope it's a holiday movie.
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  And I think it was it's. It's enough of a holiday movie.
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  It's definitely like they're getting ready for the holidays
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  in that movie and we're currently in the stage of
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  getting ready for the holidays, so I'm like it coincided well.
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  Yeah, I read someone said it was like your alternative goth
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  Christmas movie and I was like, all right, yeah, that's that
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  checks out, so. Yeah, no, that absolutely works.
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  Yeah, it has been so long since I actually watched this movie.
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  Like, and I like and it just hit like so different for me this
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  time where, 'cause I think, I think I was in high school the
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  last time I watched it and I I just remember it being like much
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  more fun and whimsical. And then I I watched it and I
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  don't know if me being in airport had anything to do with
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  this, but I was like, I am sad now.
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  Like it was much more sad to me. And I feel like that's kind of
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  the point of it, 'cause it's very much like the Frankenstein.
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  Like, you know, a person people don't really understand, comes
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  tries to do good things, and then it all gets turned back
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  against them. Yeah.
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  And I was just like no. Yeah, I've always said that
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  Edward Scissorhands is a bummer movie.
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  Like it has some really comedic parts and it's vibrant, but it
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  is overall a bummer. It's it's sad to watch, you
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  know? I mean, it ends with him being
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  chased away into his castle, which is definitely a bummer.
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  But there are lots of parts about this movie that I enjoy.
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  It's been a while since I've seen it too.
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  And you know, I'm a die hard Tim Burton fan.
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  I I watched it a lot when I was a kid.
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  I grew up on this movie, so it was nice to kind of return home.
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  Return home with this movie a little bit.
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  Yeah, it's, I mean, Colleen Atwood.
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  This is, I believe, her first collaboration with Tim Burton or
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  one of. I believe it is the first.
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  Yeah, Mars attacks came out. Later in the 90s this was like.
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  This is early 90s, right? I think Edward Scissorhands came
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  out like 1990. Hold on, Not Edward Norton.
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  Yeah, 1990 Edward Scissorhands. Cool.
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  Yeah, this is their first collaboration.
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  Yeah, and before we jump behind the costumes, Spencer, do you
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  want to give us a summary? Sure, a scientist builds an
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  animated human being. The gentle Edward the Scientist
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  dies before he can finish assembling Edward, though,
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  leaving the young man with a freakish appearance accentuated
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  by the scissor blades he has instead of hands.
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  Loving suburban saleswoman Peg discovers Edward and takes him
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  home, where he falls for Peg's teenage daughter.
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  However, despite his kindness and artistic talent, Edward's
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  hands make him an outcast, and that is Edward Scissorhands.
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  Ain't that some shit? After all of that, Edward's
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  still an outcast because of his cool hands.
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  I know. And because he likes a girl,
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  because he's like, he just can't win.
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  Yeah, poor Edward. I really do feel so bad for him
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  beowing behind the costumes. Obviously we have director Tim
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  Burton and costume designer Colleen Atwood, who we love on
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  this podcast. We've done a lot of Colleen
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  episodes this year, I think. Yeah, I'd like not.
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  Not on purpose, because like we plan things out, but we don't
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  plan things out that. Well, we also didn't expect her
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  to be on the podcast this year, so.
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  No, that was that was a fun surprise.
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  Yeah. Because we did our once episode
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  and then they were like, hey, do you want to interview?
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  And we were like, well, yeah, of course.
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  Obviously. But if you this is if this is
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  your first time joining us. If you are one of our new
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  listeners and have not heard one of our other Colleen Atwood
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  episodes before, here are just a couple of her notable works.
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  We have The Silence of the Lambs, Mars Attacks, Little
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  Women from 1994, for which she got an Oscar nomination.
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  Big Fish Memoirs of a Geisha for which you got an Oscar win.
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  Here it comes. Here it comes.
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  My Chemical Romances, Welcome to the Black Parade music.
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  Video. Sweetie Todd Alice in Wonderland
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  for which she got another Oscar win.
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  Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Oscar win Wednesday
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  and The Little Mermaid. Live action from this year.
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  And I believe she's currently on set right now for Beel Juice
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  too, and I'm gonna be on that like a hawk when it comes out.
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  Absolutely. I also left off Chicago for some
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  reason. Oh my gosh.
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  Elizabeth. Which?
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  Was her first Oscar win. Oh.
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  Man. I was reading through and I was
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  like, when I got to members of the geisha, I was like,
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  something's missing here, yeah. That's right.
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  How could you forget Chicago? Well, it's not our fault that
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  she has so many Oscars and nominations so.
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  Yeah, like, I like this is like there are so many designers and
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  like a lot of times like they're notable works, like they're big
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  ones. It's like, OK, they're like very
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  obvious and costume designers are workers, like they work on a
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  lot. So there's usually like a ton of
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  stuff that like, I've never even heard of, but like Colleen
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  Atwood, it's like 1 after the other.
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  Like, you know, you know what it is.
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  Wow. Wow, moving on.
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  Colleen talked about getting the job through her friendship with
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  Bo Welch. She said.
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  I'd worked with Bo Welch, the production designer on Joe
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  Versus the Volcano, right before Edward Scissorhands.
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  I think initially on Edward Scissorhands, they were going to
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  bring the British designer Bob Ringwood from Batman, and then
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  they couldn't get the paperwork for him.
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  And so they were looking for a costume designer and Beau
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  recommended me and I went to meet with Tim.
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  I was sitting there talking to him and we weren't even talking
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  about the movie, We were just talking.
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  And he said, so do you want to do the movie?
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  He hired me in the room, and that's kind of the only time
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  that's ever happened in my life. Usually they're like, well,
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  we'll get back to you and then they call you a couple days
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  later or not. But Tim and I just immediately
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  had a sort of strange connectivity and the sort of
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  things that we gravitated towards visually.
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  I don't know how to really describe it, but it was an
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  instant sort of connectivity and sort of comfort with each other.
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  And we've known each other since then.
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  I It's been a long friendship and collaboration and it has.
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  This is this is literally a 30 year collaboration.
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  Yeah, I mean. 30 plus years collaboration between the two of
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  them. I've said this many times on
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  Podcast by Colleen Atwood and Tim Burton have essentially been
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  like the foundations of my life as like a person growing up in
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  terms of what I gravitate toward visually artistically in terms
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  of music. You know, because I also work
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  with Danny Elfman a lot. Oh yeah, just film wise,
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  television wise, it's always come back to Colleen and Tim
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  Burton for me. So yeah, I mean, yeah, that
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  relationship, it's, it's changed aspect of the industry actually.
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  Like they have a huge imprint on history in terms of film and
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  television. Oh yeah.
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  Especially just the very unique style they've come up with
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  together. It's just that there's nothing
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  else like it. And I I feel like for
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  millennials in particular, like we were really growing up with
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  Tim Burton, like as all of these like iconic films were coming
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  out. And I mean he kind of like
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  revived stop motion a little bit.
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  And we were watching those as they came out.
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  Like, I'm like, I think after like Lord of the Rings, this is
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  like one of the most, like the two of them are like some of the
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  most formative artists in my life that I connected with.
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  Right. Oh man.
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  Well, I'm so excited to get into this film.
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  I love Edward Scissorhands, and there's a lot of great costumes,
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  so let's get into it. All right, Elizabeth, Are you
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  ready to take a car trip around this cute little suburban town?
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  Oh, I know I'm ready to meet with my local Avon
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  representative, Spencer. OK, well, I just gotta get this
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  out of the way. Elizabeth, this character and
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  you have such strong similarities.
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  It is uncanny. I cannot stop thinking about it
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  like the entire time. You and Peg, played by the great
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  Diane Weist. So good.
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  You know, I'll take it. You're even wearing the same
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  glasses right now. We are, which I just noticed
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  when you said that and like my hair, like it's lost its texture
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  from the day, so it's very like swoop like in towards my face.
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  But I love it. That's funny.
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  I've always that opening scene where she has the cute pillbox
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  type hat. It's so adorable and that color.
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  One thing I love about Edward Scissorhands is the use of color
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  because, and I've I know I've talked about this on a podcast,
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  but when people think of Tim Burn, they always think of the
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  black and white stripe, right? Which we saw in Beetlejuice or
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  Sweeney Todd is very like black and white, but Tim Burton and
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  Colleen Atwood are very deliberate with their use of
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  color. And I think Edward Scissorhands
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  is probably the best example of that, where they use color where
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  it makes sense to help tell a story.
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  Look at the castle Edward lives in.
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  It's very dark. Look at the suburban
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  neighborhood, which is actually where all the evil is.
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  It's very colorful. It's very.
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  Interesting. Yeah.
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  And talking about the neighborhood, I kind of love it.
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  Like, First off, the fact that there's just this giant mountain
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  with like a big ass castle on the top.
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  Like, how did that get there? Why did someone decide to just
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  put this like very manufactured community below it?
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  Like, what is happening here? But I I also kind of love
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  because I like, they don't really say when Edward
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  Scissorhands is set. It's very like post World War 2.
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  Like, oh the like American dream, like go get your suburban
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  home and your car and like your 2.5 kids.
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  But like there's just like a drained.
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  It's almost like it's been drained of like that energy and
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  it's like it. It's just makes it like also
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  much more sinister to me. Yeah, it's to me, it's very
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  timeless and Sinister is a good way to say it.
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  It reminds me of a lot. Our very first episode this
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  season I was talking about, don't worry darling, where it
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  was very timeless and you didn't understand what era this was.
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  It could be modern. It could be.
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  We don't know. And I think this has the same
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  exact feel where it just something just feels wrong about
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  this neighborhood as a adult. Now I really appreciate how
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  creepy this neighborhood was and how all the neighbors calling
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  each other, which by by the way, I love, I totally would do.
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  Yeah, if we lived in the same neighborhood, we would
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  constantly be like like looking out our windows on the phone
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  with each. Other I'm like Elizabeth, did
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  you see that strange man that got a Pegs house or car like?
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  I feel like what run over to my window.
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  I'll be right there. Don't go without me.
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  Oh my. God, yeah.
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  It's it's so fun. It's so visually interesting.
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  There's so much storytelling happening without much really
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  happening. Honestly, it's just a guy who
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  comes to a neighborhood and he's just interesting the people.
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  That's the entire movie. And well, it's all like, it all
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  happens because Peg decides to go try and sell some Avon to the
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  scary house, which was so funny, 'cause it's like she's like I'm
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  like clearly, like Jackie Kennedy is like your spirit
• 23:53
  animal here. Like like you said, the pillbox
• 23:57
  hat, like the the cute little like two piece skirt suit, like
• 24:03
  it's all like perfect, perfect, perfect, like polished.
• 24:08
  But she's like, I'm gonna go up to that scary place.
• 24:11
  Like I'm not afraid. Like, let's go do it.
• 24:14
  Yeah, business is tough. Yeah, and like, I love when
• 24:18
  she's just like this. Bright little like pink
• 24:21
  housewife like wandering through this like dark creepy castle.
• 24:27
  Yeah, it's almost like she doesn't even notice.
• 24:30
  Yeah. And then she finds Edward.
• 24:33
  She's just right away. Like, oh, you need to be taken
• 24:36
  care of. Come, let me take care of you.
• 24:38
  Yeah. I have a cream for that.
• 24:41
  Yeah, man. Well, let's talk about Edward.
• 24:45
  I mean, talking about an iconic costume, I'm pretty bummed
• 24:49
  because they have one of the Edward Scissorhands costumes at
• 24:53
  the Cami Museum right now and I was just there and I should have
• 24:57
  got like some pictures just for this podcast.
• 25:00
  And it I told you it just missed my mind.
• 25:05
  But let's talk about it. Yeah, so Edward Scissorhands was
• 25:10
  a character created by Tim Burton in one of his fabulous
• 25:14
  sketches and Colleen to talked to Yahoo Entertainment about it,
• 25:20
  she said. Tim has these drawers full of
• 25:23
  people that he draws because he's such a great characterist.
• 25:28
  And Edward Scissorhands was really his vision and his
• 25:32
  character from when he was in art school.
• 25:35
  So the first time I saw Tim's take on Edward Scissorhands,
• 25:39
  which was a few lines with a big head of hair and the hands not
• 25:45
  specifically more tightly drawn, but just in a special way.
• 25:50
  That I immediately sensed that this was a character that had so
• 25:55
  much heart and spirit, so much human spirit, but was still an
• 26:00
  outsider, obviously. Which is the heartbreaking part
• 26:03
  about Edward Scissorhands. Yeah, he really is a guy with
• 26:07
  just such a big heart, you know, he I I love how quickly he
• 26:11
  adapts and wanted to like help the people and his adopted
• 26:14
  family. It's it's so beautiful and I
• 26:18
  love Tim Burton sketches every time we do a Colleen Atwood
• 26:23
  episode. I'm so excited to see the
• 26:24
  sketches and Edward Scissorhands 1 does not disappoint.
• 26:27
  No. And they're absolutely gorgeous
• 26:30
  And it's like, Oh yeah, like that's total.
• 26:34
  Like you can see so many of the elements from like the stand up
• 26:37
  collar with like all the little like loops and buckles.
• 26:42
  Yeah, it's like she was like, OK, I know what you want and
• 26:46
  just went out and made it. Right.
• 26:48
  I love the actual costume. It is so cool.
• 26:51
  And it's also so complicated. I don't understand how he gets
• 26:55
  in and out of this thing. But 'cause it's very there's
• 26:58
  buckles all over. There's something all over this
• 27:02
  costume and it feels very patched together, which is the
• 27:04
  point. And just looking at, even in
• 27:07
  person, I've looked at it and I'm just like, what is happening
• 27:10
  here? But it's so beautiful and
• 27:11
  elaborate and the very kind of goth and a little sci-fi and
• 27:16
  very edgy. It's almost like an armor, which
• 27:20
  is interesting because he wears it underneath shirts a lot.
• 27:22
  So it's almost like he has his armor underneath his shirt,
• 27:25
  which is possibly a cool note, which.
• 27:29
  I mean, he's got to have it because people just will not
• 27:33
  give him a chance half the time. And as you said, this is a very
• 27:39
  intricate piece. And Colleen talked about it
• 27:43
  saying we only made 2 Edward Scissorhands costumes.
• 27:49
  We shot in South Florida, which was really hot.
• 27:54
  And there were so many things about the costume and compiling
• 27:58
  out of all these old pieces of leather that were really tricky
• 28:03
  and it was hard to find someone that understood what I wanted.
• 28:06
  And I finally found this tailor who had done work for the ballet
• 28:11
  and he knew how to get what I wanted with the Super skinny
• 28:16
  legs and to actually construct the costume, which was a huge
• 28:23
  win for me at that point in history before all the stretches
• 28:27
  were in place that we have today.
• 28:30
  South Florida I Oh my gosh, he was sweating in that bag.
• 28:36
  It's all leather. That's so wet it's.
• 28:39
  All leather. And it's like.
• 28:42
  It's like, of course it was all like they didn't, we know this
• 28:45
  from our Matrix episode. They didn't really have high
• 28:48
  quality synthetic leather. Yeah.
• 28:52
  Back in the 90s. Like, Can you imagine Colleen
• 28:55
  Atwood trying to explain this costume to you as a tailor,
• 28:58
  'cause? She said.
• 28:58
  She struggled to find someone who is able to do this, and I
• 29:01
  don't think it's because of skill.
• 29:03
  They probably like you want me to do what now?
• 29:05
  Yeah. When she's like, when the person
• 29:08
  who did it, when it's like, oh, he this guy was from the ballet,
• 29:11
  I'm like, OK, that makes sense. Which, like ballet costumes are
• 29:14
  generally, like, very tight to the skin.
• 29:17
  So I'm like, OK, that's why this person understood what she
• 29:21
  needed for the costume, 'cause it is like, like today I I don't
• 29:26
  think, I probably like some of the, like, outer elements would
• 29:30
  be made out of real leather. But I think a designer most
• 29:33
  times would probably just use like a really nice, like
• 29:36
  stretchy vinyl that had that same look 'cause it it.
• 29:42
  I can imagine how hard it was to get it that close, cause leather
• 29:46
  I've made like leather pants and it is not is not an easy
• 29:50
  endeavor. No, not at.
• 29:54
  All also Entertainment Weekly and this is like so I if I
• 30:02
  remember correctly this quote is from around the time Edward
• 30:06
  Serhance was released and it just reminded me like if you try
• 30:10
  to go back like more than 10 years like you can find almost
• 30:14
  nothing about costumes. Like even if it was from a
• 30:19
  really popular movie or like the piece itself, 'cause this whole,
• 30:23
  like Edward Scissorhands look is a super popular, well known like
• 30:28
  costume like you'll find, but you'll find almost no
• 30:31
  information about it from the time.
• 30:33
  Right. Also, I mean, if we think about,
• 30:35
  it's Colleen's first collaboration with Tim Burton.
• 30:39
  And Tim Burton was not the director he is now at that
• 30:42
  point, like he he was starting to put out some good stuff for
• 30:45
  sure. He's done Batman, he's done Pee
• 30:47
  Wee's Big Adventure, but he's not exactly like Tim Burton at
• 30:53
  that point. No, he's.
• 30:55
  Not. Yeah, there's not so much
• 30:57
  information about this movie, which is was shocking to me when
• 30:59
  I found out when we met today. Yeah, and there's really not.
• 31:03
  And the only other piece of information I have about the
• 31:06
  entire movie is this quote from Entertainment Weekly, where she
• 31:12
  says she pulled a lot of inspiration from the 19th
• 31:19
  century in terms of, like the hardware you see on Edward's
• 31:25
  costume. I can see that like almost
• 31:28
  steampunky. Yeah.
• 31:30
  Inspiration. But before is, before steampunk
• 31:33
  was even a thing. It's pre steampunk, but yeah, I
• 31:38
  get it's like AI totally see that it's it does feel like it's
• 31:41
  made of a lot of different parts like you said, so very
• 31:45
  interesting. I love this costume.
• 31:47
  It's so iconic and you know, I definitely want to have Colleen
• 31:51
  on a podcast again one day. And I feel like we have 102
• 31:55
  questions, so we almost just need to have we gotta get some
• 31:59
  information on some of these movies.
• 32:01
  Oh yeah, we do not. One question I will absolutely
• 32:06
  ask her is, so we just talked about Edward's like whole suit,
• 32:11
  whole leather suit, which, like you said, he wears throughout
• 32:14
  the entire rest of the film has either like armor, just 'cause
• 32:17
  he's comfortable in it. But I'm like, is that also his
• 32:19
  skin? Yeah, I don't.
• 32:21
  Know 'cause like he is a machine.
• 32:23
  Like, he's not technically not human.
• 32:28
  I honestly couldn't tell you. That would be a question I have
• 32:33
  because he wears clothes over that.
• 32:35
  So I'm like, they're in South Florida.
• 32:37
  He's wearing this suit and then he was putting clothes on top of
• 32:41
  that. I mean, he should be.
• 32:43
  He could be like a Masked Singer character at this point with all
• 32:46
  the stuff he's wearing. And like, I'm just thinking he
• 32:49
  was probably also wearing stuff like underneath the the leather,
• 32:53
  'cause I'm sure he's sweat like nobody's business.
• 32:56
  Oh yeah, And I'm like, you can't just have that.
• 32:59
  Like, you gotta have something to catch that.
• 33:01
  I can't just, like, go on to the leather and, like, distort it.
• 33:04
  Yeah, this time around I noticed something really cool in a
• 33:09
  costume I've never seen before, but that's probably because
• 33:11
  we've been doing a podcast about costume design for three years
• 33:14
  now. The suspenders he wears over his
• 33:17
  shirt, they're held together by little Bobby pins.
• 33:21
  So, because he. Breaks them the first time.
• 33:24
  He Yeah, I never noticed that. That's such a cool little note
• 33:28
  because it's very, it's very punk and edgy, you know, But
• 33:32
  it's just, I'm trying to hold the suspender together.
• 33:34
  That's such a cool little note. That's amazing.
• 33:38
  And Peggy would totally do that. Like, oh, it's OK.
• 33:40
  I got. I got some Bobby pins.
• 33:42
  We'll fix that right up. Yeah.
• 33:45
  It's such a bummer watching him cut himself all the time and him
• 33:48
  watching him trying to eat food and drink water and so sad.
• 33:54
  I just, I felt wrong watching it.
• 33:56
  Honestly, I was like this is. Depressing.
• 33:59
  Like, like that first time he's at dinner.
• 34:01
  I'm like, can't you, can't you do something for?
• 34:04
  Him. Please.
• 34:06
  Right, right. And then I'm like, how was he
• 34:09
  feeding himself before? I'm confused but.
• 34:13
  But you're right, Maybe he's a machine he doesn't need to eat,
• 34:15
  so I don't know. I don't know.
• 34:18
  I. Don't know.
• 34:18
  What I do know is the inventor looked rather dashing.
• 34:23
  Well played by the legendary Vincent Price.
• 34:27
  I love his costume. I don't think I ever noticed it
• 34:30
  before, but I really love it because this is what I imagined
• 34:34
  for myself one day. This is kind of like a little
• 34:37
  It's a suit, but the scarf is what really pulls me together.
• 34:40
  That's so cool. Yeah, it's just a giant Ascot
• 34:44
  with he has like a little brooch on it, right?
• 34:46
  Yeah, it looks like it. It's so cool He's he could tell
• 34:50
  that this was a good guy. I wish he would have speed up
• 34:54
  his process a little bit and helping Edward with his hands.
• 34:57
  I'm like, maybe the hand should have been like the first thing.
• 35:00
  I don't know. That's just.
• 35:02
  And then we'll do poetry, Sir. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:07
  But yeah, it was a great costume.
• 35:11
  And it was so, 'cause like, he's like, he's this man living in
• 35:15
  his gothic mansion, all by hands slow, lonesome.
• 35:20
  Just like making cookies, apparently.
• 35:22
  Goals. Goals.
• 35:22
  Goals. Like, would love to just do
• 35:26
  that, but it's like, I love how cheerful he still is.
• 35:31
  He's still very content. And he's just like, oh, let me
• 35:34
  make myself a little a friend, a son.
• 35:37
  Like, let me just make a wonderful person.
• 35:42
  He's living a dream life, but perhaps he needed an assistant
• 35:45
  just in case something were to happen anyway.
• 35:49
  Oh, hey, in case I, you know, die before I finish Edward,
• 35:55
  here's what you do. Yeah, it was that.
• 35:59
  Well, at least at first. The people of the town, though,
• 36:03
  are loving Edward's skills. Man, that BBQ scene when he's
• 36:08
  kebabbing up all those vegetables and the women cannot
• 36:12
  get enough of him. I That's probably my favorite
• 36:14
  scene of the whole movie. It's so good.
• 36:16
  I'm obsessed with all of the neighborhood women.
• 36:20
  They are so funny. And I do also love how Edward
• 36:25
  just looks at something and then decides like oh wait, I know how
• 36:28
  to do this and do it really well.
• 36:31
  Like from like the hedge trimming to like making like
• 36:37
  kebabs on the grill. Like cutting hair.
• 36:40
  Being a dog groomer like. Eye sculptures suddenly, yeah.
• 36:46
  I also love how, like, just all the women dress in color
• 36:50
  blocking. Like.
• 36:51
  So cool. Or it's like monochromatic
• 36:54
  fashion? I can't get enough of it,
• 36:57
  especially on my favorite Joyce, played by.
• 37:02
  She's your favorite? Played by Kathy Baker.
• 37:05
  Come on, Elizabeth. She's not my favorite.
• 37:09
  What the Joyce was great. OK, yeah, there was that little
• 37:12
  moment where she was trying to seduce Edward Scissorhands.
• 37:15
  But for. Edward Scissorhands and then
• 37:19
  maligns his name after. It doesn't go her way for sure,
• 37:27
  Spencer. I love her costumes.
• 37:31
  She is hot, hot and I yeah. She is definitely like the style
• 37:37
  icon of the neighborhood. Oh yeah.
• 37:40
  Like she's she's getting Vogue and reading like Marie Claire,
• 37:45
  and like making sure she gets to the mall on a regular basis.
• 37:51
  Joyce is an inspiration. She should be on like every
• 37:54
  costume designer mood board. Honestly, I love that one where
• 37:58
  she is bringing Edward Lemonade and Edward throws up because he
• 38:03
  was drinking, not lemonade, the night before and she's.
• 38:07
  Like, it's lemonade. It's like.
• 38:11
  Joyce is wearing like it looks like a transparent apron or
• 38:15
  something, and I just thought that was so edgy and cool.
• 38:19
  It is so cool and I couldn't cause 'cause I thought it was a
• 38:22
  house coat at first or like a house dress, but I'm like, you
• 38:26
  wouldn't wear that outside. So I was also like what is this?
• 38:29
  And like the way it's paired with the sunglasses, I was like
• 38:32
  that is that is pretty flawless. Right.
• 38:35
  And then her final, not her final look, but the one she
• 38:38
  wears to seduce Mr. Scissorhands.
• 38:42
  That's a good dress too. I love that look.
• 38:44
  And when she has that hair that he does.
• 38:48
  First of all, Edward does some great hair for everyone.
• 38:52
  He does. That hair, to me, is one of
• 38:54
  them, like most iconic wigs I could ever think of.
• 38:57
  And honestly, I think you could pull it off, Elizabeth.
• 39:00
  I think I could pull it off. It's like a asymmetric, I don't
• 39:04
  know, Bob, Bob thing. Yeah, I do.
• 39:07
  I was thinking I need to get my hair cut, so.
• 39:09
  Yeah, well, maybe you need to find a guy who has scissors for
• 39:12
  hands. I'll just go to my hairdresser.
• 39:15
  It's fine. No, that is great.
• 39:19
  And it's like the teal of that ensemble and just like all the
• 39:25
  parts to it. I'm like, this is a lot, Joyce,
• 39:30
  but you're working it. Joyce, I love you.
• 39:33
  Don't listen to the haters. OK, Spencer, but we have Kim,
• 39:41
  played by the lovely Winona Ryder, who was not in this film
• 39:46
  as much as I thought she won. I definitely thought she was in
• 39:51
  it more. I love Kim and I love her
• 39:54
  costumes. I love that they're really kind
• 39:56
  of playing into that teenager aspect for her, and there's a
• 40:00
  lot of color blocking to it, but it's not as like in depth as the
• 40:04
  ladies of this neighborhood, I would say.
• 40:06
  No. And it has a very like 1950s,
• 40:12
  almost like vibe to it, I would say, especially with like the
• 40:17
  cheerleader uniform and like the little the pink jumper she wears
• 40:22
  with the white top, like it's all like matching like sets and
• 40:27
  like very like like teen girl. And I just, I don't know.
• 40:32
  I just got like that like 1950s vibe, but she's like such a
• 40:35
  normal teenager. Yeah, I like the one that she
• 40:39
  wears. It's kind of like the red skirt.
• 40:41
  And it has the straps go over the white top that she's wearing
• 40:45
  when she's watching the TV show. I thought that was.
• 40:49
  Pink. Well, red.
• 40:51
  Pink. I don't know.
• 40:52
  Regardless, it looks great. That's probably my favorite one
• 40:55
  of hers. Well, except for the one which
• 40:58
  we'll talk about in a little bit.
• 40:59
  We will. I also.
• 41:01
  I'm really partial to her Little like her little crop top and
• 41:05
  skirt, the like yellow set. I'm like that is that is like
• 41:09
  very now as well. Yeah, she is now.
• 41:12
  They mentioned it. Kim is is very contemporary like
• 41:14
  we would see Kim today. Yeah, I will say though, Kim's
• 41:20
  best look is her Christmas dress.
• 41:23
  Yeah, that one is a banger. I love this dress.
• 41:28
  It is beautiful. And this is also another iconic
• 41:30
  dress. I think everyone knows this
• 41:32
  costume, which is why I was surprised.
• 41:34
  We really couldn't find much information on it.
• 41:37
  Yeah. But that buckle that's on the
• 41:39
  top left part of her dress is so interesting.
• 41:44
  It really that's like the calling that would flare in that
• 41:47
  costume. I would.
• 41:48
  Say, and I love just like like how it contrasts her from
• 41:53
  Edward. And like, I will say, well, I I
• 41:56
  was telling you this earlier, I thought there was a lot more
• 41:59
  romance in this movie before the last like 15 minutes.
• 42:06
  So I was like, when are the two of them gonna, like, get
• 42:09
  together? Oh, right before he has to go
• 42:12
  hide in his castle, OK. She tells him she loves him,
• 42:18
  which I thought was an interesting choice.
• 42:20
  Yeah. For.
• 42:22
  Teenagers, though. Teenagers.
• 42:24
  Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I love this dress.
• 42:28
  I love the use of color because it's a very dark, especially
• 42:32
  when she's outside watching Edward cut the ice sculpture and
• 42:37
  she's dancing in the snow. You'd think it'd be hard to pull
• 42:40
  off this white dress, 'cause it's very dark and lots of white
• 42:43
  already. But the contrast between Edward
• 42:46
  wearing the black and her beautiful orange hair, this
• 42:51
  dress just really comes to life and it's definitely one of my
• 42:54
  favorites. And with this beautiful piece,
• 42:57
  we have come to the end of Edward's Scissorhands.
• 43:01
  Oh man, Elizabeth, I think I need to take a break so I could
• 43:05
  think of my one costume Rule them all.
• 43:07
  I know. Me too.
• 43:25
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• 43:29
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• 43:32
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• 43:45
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• 44:09
  All right, Elizabeth, Are you ready to play the absolute
• 44:13
  greatest game to ever be invented for the 100th time?
• 44:18
  Well, I guess we didn't play 100 times but for.
• 44:21
  I don't know. Did you want to play one costume
• 44:23
  world them all? Yes, it's definitely.
• 44:26
  We were not doing this at first. Yes, Daniel hit it.
• 44:33
  The one costume to rule them all.
• 44:41
  Spencer What's your one costume to rule them all?
• 44:43
  So since we've been bending the rules a lot lately with this
• 44:47
  game, I've decided to go with a set of costumes, which is the
• 44:51
  absolute unit of all of these Suburban Wife costumes all
• 44:56
  coming together, all in their monochromatic costumes or colour
• 45:00
  blocked and whatnot. Because to me, it's like this
• 45:04
  neighborhood works like a hive mind, so it just feels like they
• 45:10
  all work together. Remember when we interviewed
• 45:13
  Louis Cicada about a cabinet of curiosities?
• 45:16
  We talked about that one 80s inspired episode and he called
• 45:21
  those ladies the the fish tank or the aquarium.
• 45:25
  And like this is the OG fish tank Slash Aquarium is the
• 45:28
  suburban housewives of Edward Scissorhands.
• 45:33
  Absolute. Oh my gosh that is so true.
• 45:39
  Oh goodness, I love that Spencer and.
• 45:44
  What about you? I'm dying to.
• 45:46
  Know my one costume to rule them all is Edwards.
• 45:51
  Just like leather suit because like iconic grew up with it.
• 45:58
  Like, it's the piece of this movie.
• 46:02
  Like his costume is like the set piece.
• 46:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For all of this.
• 46:09
  Yeah, seeing the costume and Edward Scissorhands felt like
• 46:12
  we're seeing like an old friend, honestly.
• 46:14
  Yeah, yeah. I just like.
• 46:17
  I also just loved learning more about it, like getting the
• 46:21
  inside scoop about putting it together and Tim Burton's like
• 46:27
  incredible sketch that inspired everything else.
• 46:30
  I just. I'd had no idea this was filmed
• 46:32
  in Florida. How miserable that must have
• 46:34
  been for Johnny Depp specifically.
• 46:38
  Yeah, I would have assumed it was just, it would.
• 46:40
  It was just like on a back lot somewhere like.
• 46:43
  That's what I always thought. Well, Elizabeth, this has been
• 46:48
  fun. I'm so glad we got to start with
• 46:50
  Edward Scissorhands our holiday season, but we got lots of more
• 46:54
  holiday surprises coming our way.
• 46:57
  I am so excited for the season. If you want to share your
• 47:01
  excitement for the season or let us know what your one costume to
• 47:05
  rule them all for Edward Scissorhands was, you can leave
• 47:09
  us a voicemail at 626-515-1826 or send us an e-mail at the
• 47:17
  Arctic costume@gmail.com. Spencer What are we watching
• 47:23
  next week? Well, we only have two episodes
• 47:26
  left this season and our next. I'm excited for this one.
• 47:31
  Our next episode is a holiday classic.
• 47:35
  We are watching Elf with Will Ferrell.
• 47:39
  We are. And do you want to know a
• 47:41
  secret, Spencer? What?
• 47:44
  I don't think I've ever watched Elf all the way through.
• 47:46
  What? How?
• 47:49
  I don't know. I've seen like chunks of it.
• 47:53
  I don't think I've ever sat down and watched Elf though, so I'm
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  very excited. I'm excited.
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  I don't. I don't think we could get more
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  stereotypical holiday podcast episode than watching Elf.
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  Last year we did Grinch, so this year we're doing Elf very
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  excited. And if you all are excited, let
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  us know on Instagram at the Art of Costume Pod, on TikTok at the
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  Art of Costume and the holidays are coming up.
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  So you gotta get some podcast merch at the Art of
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  costume.com/pod store and never forget to leave us a five star
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  text review on Apple podcast. And I have one thing to plug.
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  You all heard our mini episode with poor things costume
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  designer Holly Waddington. That exhibit at the ASU Film
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  Museum is open from December 1st to December 15th, so it's free.
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  Go check it out. Those costumes are incredible,
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  Oscar worthy. So they're incredible.
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  Such a great little Victorian, but not Victorian film that
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  you're all gonna love. So go check those out.
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  And that's all I got, Elizabeth. Yeah, everybody go check that
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  out and have a wonderful week. The Art of Costume blog cast is
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  Our audio engineering and editing is done by Dan White.
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  dives, and interviews, head over to The Art of costume.com, A
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  blog dedicated to highlighting the best in costume my.
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  Back hurts. Mine too.
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  I'm over here like, struggling. We both look like bears, trying
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  to, like, scratch ourselves on the tree or something.
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  We need comfortable podcast chairs.
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  Daniel we. Do.
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  Audio engineer.