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NFL Week 14 TNF Showdown | Packers @ Lions | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all system's going clear the lift. What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tambaline here aka Totagg and.
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  Speaker 2: Tambo back for another edition of the Thursday night Football
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  Speaker 2: Showdown Show. And we've got the Packers and we've got
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  Speaker 2: the Lions, and we got title versus hoop Gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a good game. I know Hoopster is going to the game,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be a fun one though
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  Speaker 2: for both dfs and from a fan perspective, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a great one.
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  Speaker 1: Hoopster. Bring you in, man, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean looking forward to this one. As you said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm heading down there, so it's a little even more
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  Speaker 3: exciting obviously to be there for the game. We were
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  Speaker 3: talking before we hopped on the show, and the environment
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  Speaker 3: at Ford Field is always like super hype, especially for
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  Speaker 3: these big time games. It's been a while since Detroit
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  Speaker 3: Lions fans have had something to cheer for and obviously
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  Speaker 3: last season rolling into this season, so it's a fun environment.
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  Speaker 3: Excited to go down there and definitely excited for Showdown.
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  Speaker 3: I mean there is a plethora of plays on both sides.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of different ways to potentially go
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  Speaker 3: which is very exciting, and yeah, we'll talk through it all.
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  Speaker 3: And I got Aids Aids in the chat already talking
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  Speaker 3: shit titles been a little more respectful. We'll see how
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  Speaker 3: that goes the rest of the show. My take on
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  Speaker 3: the game, I mean, we'll get to it at some point,
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  Speaker 3: but might be I guess, maybe a little bit surprising
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  Speaker 3: to people. We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the lines let down could be a thing, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to it and more.
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  Speaker 2: we got the pack your boys, I know you're well
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  Speaker 2: rested for this show. But it's a lovely slate that
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  Speaker 2: we're about to get into. So I'm excited for this
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  Speaker 2: and we do love this slate.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for this slate as well.
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  Speaker 5: But man, is it's so hard because like good luck
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  Speaker 5: in which guy's going to be in a captain And
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  Speaker 5: that's why we talk about like my process, if I
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  Speaker 5: I would play one twenty dollars max, or maybe I
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  Speaker 5: would go like give me twenty twenty five cent one
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  Speaker 5: some dying ones, et cetera, so I can diversify more,
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  Speaker 5: play more captains, because yeah, if you're picking one, two,
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  Speaker 5: three teams, I mean I see six seven guys on
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  Speaker 5: this slate.
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  Speaker 4: We talk about lions all the time. Who's it going
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  Speaker 4: to be?
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  Speaker 5: Packers is pretty much the same way with the receiving
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  Speaker 5: core and so many options there. So that makes for
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  Speaker 5: a good slate because it'll be spread outs. But I
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  Speaker 5: mean there's no doubt, it's still hard.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta get it right. But I'm excited for this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, like if I love or hate a slate,
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  Speaker 2: but I love when you get a unique captain slate,
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  Speaker 2: meaning like there's just so many captain options you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna help you guys with that, try to at
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  Speaker 2: least by going through our captain thoughts, our game thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Bet a lot of bet on your team. People are
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  Speaker 2: bet on your team guys. What was your take on that? Again,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm a I'm an emotional headger. If it's if
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  Speaker 2: I can get to a spot with my team playing.
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  Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is. It depends on how much
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  Speaker 3: you're risking, you know, like, are you making a bet
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  Speaker 3: to make some money and you feel like the away team, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know might be the way to go, Like yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but like if you're just doing it for entertainment purposes.
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  Speaker 3: For me, I'm just betting on the home team. Like
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  Speaker 3: if if I am going, I know, I'm rooting for
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  Speaker 3: the team and I'm not going to bet a ton
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  Speaker 3: of money on it, Like I'll bet for you know, tonight,
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  Speaker 3: Like we'll talk about how I think the game will go,
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  Speaker 3: but I'll probably bet on the Lions because I know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everyone at the stadium. I have eighty thousand people,
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  Speaker 3: uh you know on your side, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a good feeling. So I'll likely bet on the Lions tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Tough though, I get. I get the emotional hedge, the
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  Speaker 3: emotional free roll and all that, but I think it's
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  Speaker 3: like home team stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Usually this is the other one too. I know this
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  Speaker 1: is funny because people the over the I'm the same
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  Speaker 1: way on this. I'll just bet the under.
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  Speaker 3: The audio issue rolling in here, so you gotta you
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  Speaker 3: gotta gotta cut you off for a second title? What
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  Speaker 3: a What are your thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we talked a little pretty show. If I
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  Speaker 5: think usually I bet my own team. If I think
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  Speaker 5: it's like a complete coin foot, I would take my team. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't bet anything. I'm too knitty most of the time.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm not afraid to bet against my team if
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a good spot.
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  Speaker 4: We talked a little pre show.
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  Speaker 5: I bet nets against the box a couple of years
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  Speaker 5: back in the playoffs, and I went to the Bucks
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  Speaker 5: playoff game they lost. It was really sad because I
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  Speaker 5: lost my bet and the Bucks won.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought it was a good spot, so I
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  Speaker 4: was fine with it.
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  Speaker 5: But if I was indifferent, I would be betting my
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  Speaker 5: own team to try and double down.
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  Speaker 3: I might fandom is it back?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also gonna say I'm the bet the
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  Speaker 1: under guy.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you go to a baseball game and it's
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  Speaker 2: already kind of like seventh inning stretch borings type stuff,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm there for the game, but more for
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  Speaker 2: the experience. Bet the under and hope that that means
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  Speaker 2: that like twenty home runs happen, so it can at
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  Speaker 2: least spice it up a little bit. So I'm quite
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of this.
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  Speaker 5: I started going no run first inning is my hammer
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  Speaker 5: that I lay on when I go to a baseball game.
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  Speaker 5: Feels like these guys come on starting pitcher, three outs,
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  Speaker 5: just hammer that and it's sweaty and then you're either
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  Speaker 5: free rolling or you gotta really go and make it
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  Speaker 5: up after.
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  Speaker 4: So that's my that's my baseball one.
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  Speaker 2: Some good comments starting to roll in there, Hoopster will
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on them as we go along, But
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  Speaker 2: you know, putting your putting your stuff to your own
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  Speaker 2: process and making your own cheat sheet and whatnot is
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  Speaker 2: definitely a good way to do it. So all right, hoop,
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  Speaker 2: we did the fandom stuff. Now let's move it to DFS.
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  Speaker 2: What's the what's the grand scheme over you for this
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  Speaker 2: one here? Packers Lions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean we kind of talked about an opening,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously I'm a huge, huge Lions fan. It's been
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  Speaker 3: a great run. I love the team, love where they're at.
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  Speaker 3: But man, to me, this seems like a really really
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  Speaker 3: good spot for the Packers. And you know, do I
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  Speaker 3: think am I gonna go and bet the Packers?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 3: But I think this is a letdown spot for the Lions,
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  Speaker 3: Like they're gonna they've won time with a ten or
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  Speaker 3: eleven in a row. It's just they're gonna have a
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  Speaker 3: letdown here down the stretch for sure. Do I think
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  Speaker 3: they're the best team in the NFL. I do, But
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna win out and I think
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  Speaker 3: this is a spot they could potentially lose. Their defense
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  Speaker 3: is very very banged up right now. I mean very
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  Speaker 3: banged up. They're bringing like former Pro bowlers off practice
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  Speaker 3: squads to potentially shore up this defense, Jamal Adams, Kwan Alexander.
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  Speaker 3: They're desperate right now. And the Packers' offense I think
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  Speaker 3: is good and their team is good, and I think
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Love and the offense can take advantage of some
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  Speaker 3: of these injuries. With that being said, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think the Lions offense can also do that. So to me,
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  Speaker 3: my initial thoughts is high scoring game. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are going to think that the total is fifty two,
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  Speaker 3: but it's beyond that. Man Like these injuries defensively for
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  Speaker 3: the Lions, I think can really lead to a very
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  Speaker 3: high scoring game. So that's one, you know, one point
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  Speaker 3: that definitely comes to mind when I'm looking at this,
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  Speaker 3: And definitely I think the Packers aren't a good spot
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  Speaker 3: here offensively, and we'll talk about that as we go
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  Speaker 3: through the big challenge on the slate. And I know
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  Speaker 3: a couple of people in the chat alluded to it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think title did as well, is where do
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  Speaker 3: you want to go at captain? Because it could be
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  Speaker 3: any of these guys. It really does seem like you
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  Speaker 3: look at it on the Lions side, it could be
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  Speaker 3: either running back, it could be Jamison Williams, it could
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  Speaker 3: be a mon Ross, Saint Brown, it could be Jared
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  Speaker 3: buff All those guys throughout the season. If the Lions
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  Speaker 3: games run a showtown slate have been captain optimal at
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  Speaker 3: some point. On the Packer's side, it's been the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: The reason the Packers has been so difficult all season
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  Speaker 3: long on main slates is because we don't know who
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  Speaker 3: to pair Jordan Love with. It goes to a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of different guys and Josh Jacobs. So that's the challenge.
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  Speaker 3: That's the true challenge of this slate. Who do you
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  Speaker 3: play at captain? And the Packer's side, they have all
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  Speaker 3: those wide receivers, Jordan Love has been there, Josh Jacobs
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  Speaker 3: has been there in terms of like if every game
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  Speaker 3: was a showdown slate for their team, like who would
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  Speaker 3: have been captain optimal? All those guys on the Packers
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  Speaker 3: would have at one point been captain optimal if it
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  Speaker 3: was just a showdown slates. So that is the true
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  Speaker 3: challenge of the slate, figuring out what to do at
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  Speaker 3: at captain. And I guess I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 3: like disappointing, but I don't know if I have the answer.
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  Speaker 3: There's some guys that I like more than others at captain.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about it when we go through, but that's
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  Speaker 3: for sure the biggest challenge on the slate, figuring out captain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel comfortable at captain, yet I still have
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  Speaker 2: too many and that's like I have some and we
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  Speaker 2: get to it all that title run first, but like
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  Speaker 2: the setup I feel pretty good about, still leaves me
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of captains that I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: narrow it down or get my exposures down.
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  Speaker 1: But title, kick it to you.
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  Speaker 2: What's your your grand scheme overview for this one? Then
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  Speaker 2: you could take us into captain thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I definitely don't feel like I have the
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  Speaker 5: answer for captain either, and it feels like mine's a
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  Speaker 5: little wide. But I'm gonna try and narrow it a
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  Speaker 5: bit first thoughts, Just like a way you want to
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  Speaker 5: get different five to one on either side, I think
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  Speaker 5: three threes and four to twos one hundred percent, and
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  Speaker 5: I do much prefer I'm in agreement. I think it
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  Speaker 5: is a good spot for the Packers, and the over
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  Speaker 5: feels likely with all the defensive injuries, but Vegas knows
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  Speaker 5: all that. If people are thinking that, I always take
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  Speaker 5: it the other way, like shoot, people are planning for
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  Speaker 5: the over like I want to lead under and usually
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  Speaker 5: when it is under, you can lead more salary. Crazier
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  Speaker 5: things can happen. So I do prefer five to one lions.
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  Speaker 5: If I am going to five one routes and taken
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  Speaker 5: into captain, like trying to narrow my pool, I think
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  Speaker 5: two guys that I will narrow it down is limit
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  Speaker 5: David Montgomery a lot and Jared Goff. But if I
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  Speaker 5: am going five to one, I think David Montgomery captain
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  Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense that way minus won fifty
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  Speaker 5: five to score probably would be two on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Hoop.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to say something or ask you something quick
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  Speaker 5: because gives out snapped Montgomery a good bit in week twelve.
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  Speaker 5: I know, I think DeMont got banged up. I was
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  Speaker 5: snapped in week eleven, Week ten, et cetera. Do you
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  Speaker 5: think there was anything to do with the Bears in
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  Speaker 5: Revenge Game? Because watching that on Thanksgiving, I mean, DeMont
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  Speaker 5: got the whole first dride. Usually they switch, Gibbs got second,
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  Speaker 5: but it really felt like I mean, Dan Campbell's that
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  Speaker 5: kind of guy like that meant a lot to him.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think that could go back to like sixty
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  Speaker 5: forty Gibbs something like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it could, and especially in this sort of game,
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  Speaker 3: if we're expecting like back and forth, high scoring, I
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  Speaker 3: mean that that has Gibbs' name all over it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and we haven't seen many times this year where the
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  Speaker 3: Lions are playing from behind, but if you call last
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  Speaker 3: year when the Lions were playing from behind, it was
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  Speaker 3: Gibbs out there, and man, you just look at Gibbs
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  Speaker 3: and like, if you're a coach of a football team,
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  Speaker 3: how do you just not want to ask out? There's
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  Speaker 3: much as possible. I mean, he is so explosive, so shifty,
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  Speaker 3: so quick, and then he truly looks like he has
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  Speaker 3: that other speed like boom, he can hit it and
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  Speaker 3: just go. So I do think this is a game
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  Speaker 3: where it could definitely be more Gibbs over Montgomery. We'll see,
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  Speaker 3: it's been hard to predict. The one thing you know
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  Speaker 3: for sure, first drive it's always Montgomery, Like they open
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  Speaker 3: up with Montgomery out there, no matter what, and he's
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  Speaker 3: been the guy in the first drive. But I do
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  Speaker 3: think as this game goes on, it could be more
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  Speaker 3: Gibbs over over Montgomery. And that fumble Yeah, he did fumble,
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  Speaker 3: but that was like a fumble. I feel like ninety
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  Speaker 3: nine percent of running backs are fumbling on.
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  Speaker 2: A phenomenal defense that was not games that everyone's getting
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  Speaker 2: rocked in that spot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the way that hit came in and the
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  Speaker 3: you know where he hit him. Like every running back
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL is fumbling that. I just don't see
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  Speaker 3: anyone holding on to them. And Dan Campbell's smart enough
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  Speaker 3: to know that. So I don't think that's that was
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  Speaker 3: an impact at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Cool, So my thoughts on captain again, Like so Lion stuff,
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  Speaker 5: I like a lot of the Lions gives my favorite
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  Speaker 5: amen Ra and Jamo, and those are the three of
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  Speaker 5: five to limit stuff, it would be Laporta. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if he wants to fall in the box twice on
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  Speaker 5: three catches, I'll live golf. I mean, you're gonna make
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  Speaker 5: a case for it, and it like it's still showing
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  Speaker 5: eight percent. That's the only thing rushing non rushing quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 5: And he's gonna get some ownership in a game that
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: there's so many options. Again, I can totally see it.
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: But if I'm trying to cut out some, that's what
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell myself. If it's golf getting there, I
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: hope it's Jamo, it's being the game up or almen
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: Ra and they're on in the field all the time.
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: So and then I just prefer Gibbs on Montgomery in
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: the spot. But I think a lot too, and you'll
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: probably make the game theory approach.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Why not go Montgomery?
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: And I do if I didn't do five to one,
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: Lions prefer Montgomery.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: Packer's side just are Jacob's for sure.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: Jordan Love has rushing upside, can spread it around a
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: million areas, so I do lean him over golf. And
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: then the Packers' receivers, I mean I think all three
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: of them, Wicks and Watson played almost every snap or
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: played majority of snaps because Dodd just still out reads
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: that explosive slock guy. I prefer the Lions individuals for sure,
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: because it's more concentrated, it feels. But definitely the Packers
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: will be lower owned, and I mean any of them
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: can get one hundred and two at any day. Shoutout
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: Big Marley Week one with Jayden Reid, so you keep
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: coming back. So yeah, my player, my captain pool is
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: more than I want. And golf and the port in
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: Montgomery would be the ones I would take off that
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: will get some ownership.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: I mean Jerome Bettis would have been ten yards back,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: like Jerome Bettis would have been nowhere close to the
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: goal line on that play. That's one thing to point out.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other thing.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Two people were talking to the chat earlier about Gibbs
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: with the whiteboard up like Campbell doesn't care. He's like, man,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: if that one, yeah, it's not ideal to be posting
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: stuff from the dressing room, locker room stuff like like, yeah,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I can lead to that stuff. But he was already
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: making fun of it, and I don't think that affects
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Gibbs at all. He said he made fun of Jamir
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: the next day, like he was having fun with it,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: be like, what are you gonna give our plays.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Away again, buddy or what like He's that type of coach.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: You know what it is, you know, he said, if
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: we're losing because of code words, we got bigger problems
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: to handle. So I'll go to you in a second, hoop.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I like titles breakdown and help make mine a little
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: bit easier. I'm definitely not interested in Jared Goff on
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: this slate or Laporta.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: If those guys beat me, they beat me. I got
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Jordan Love.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I've got too many names that
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I have to pick from anyway, and I like Love
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: more than Gough.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I like those other four though.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I like Gibbs, Montgomery, Aman Ron, even Jamison Williams. On
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: the other side, I like Love Jacobs, but I'm probably.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Gonna just cut it off at man. The only thing
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling with is how far I go after that.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I definitely want Reid.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think I want Wix at all, and not
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: because I don't think he's good and he's priced the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: way he is. I think it's just gonna lead to
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: very popular lineups like he's sixty three hundred up top.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be a one v one away from it
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: if it gets there. Yeah, it's easy to see how
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: and why, but it wouldn't kill me to know I
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: built that way. So it's just do I want Watson
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and Craft or do I want to sort of tighten
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it up from that point?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: But sort of where I'm at, What are you doing
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: at the captain position?
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of the same. I mean the comment for sure,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I'm just taking a stand in this game. No spreading
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: it out. Yeah, I mean, if you feel good, definitely
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: do that because I'll tell you what the field will
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: be spreading it out. So if you're not spreading it out,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: you have an upper leg on the on the field,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: then I do want to narrow it down. I'm kind
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: of on the same page. So for me, I just
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: really think there's at least one guy that goes off
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: in this game, Like somebody is going to go off
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: and probably have over thirty fantasy points. It's going to
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: be a big boy score from somebody, you know, maybe
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: even higher, maybe thirty five. So anyone I'm playing at
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: captain today, I want them to have the thirty fantasy
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: point upside. And I kind of agree with you guys.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I really prefer Love over golf. I really love Love today.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Nad's put it in there earlier that he was on Love.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I think Love's a phenomenal play today at the captain.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Definitely one of my favorites. Jacobs. I mean can certainly
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: have a big game Jaden Reid, and then the one
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: guy I'm still on the fence. And I'll what you
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: guys say about is like Christian Watson, because to me,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: it seems like even like a sixty yard bomb today
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: like probably isn't good enough. You're gonna have to do more.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Like you're gonna have to have a really really big
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: game in my eyes. So Watson's a guy on Iffy
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: on the Lion side, it's very clear, like a Monro
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: for sure, Gibbs for sure, Jamison Williams for sure, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: then you know, David Montgomery is the guy could go
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: either way with like he needs to score two touchdowns.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: So if you think Montgomery can score two touchdowns today,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: and honestly on this slight that there's there's a pass
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: where that's not even enough, I think it could be
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that high scoring where him scoring two isn't even enough.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So Montgomery maybe. So the maybes for me are like
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Montgomery Watson. The for sures are a Monrod, Gibbs, Jamison
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: on the Lion side, and then on the packer's side
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: it's Jaden Reid, Josh Jacobs, and then Jordan Love who
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I really like Jordan Love today. So it's kind of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: where I'm at. It's a challenge though, I mean, don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: play everyone. I mean, if you just play everyone, you're
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: gonna be right unless you're doing, I'm crazy, like in
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the Flax leaving a ton on the table like or
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: like five ones or things like that. You definitely want to,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, narrow down as much as possible, and it
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: is a challenge because you look at all these names
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and you want to play. But in my eyes, anyone
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I'm playing up top today needs to be able to
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: get thirty Fantasy points. I need everyone up there to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: score thirty. I know there's there's routes where you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: we've seen cheaper captains and then a bunch of guys
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: in the twenty. I just think someone's going off today.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I think someone's going off in a big way. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: if I'm putting your butt in the captain spot, you
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: better be able to get me at least thirty today.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not like the Stone for this reason. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: know it's not guaranteed.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: But like when you're looking at a ceiling projection, here, right,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: twenty seven eight thirty point two.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: No, GOB's around twenty six, but he's lower. Right, there's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: almost thirty one on Gibbs.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: There's twenty seven here, like there's you can kind of
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: find your way around that way if you feel comfortable
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: with it, and this is the stone over at ship
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: in Nation.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So you get this.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Whoever wins the contest is going to start having access
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to this. But this is certainly the way that I'm
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: looking at it. And you said you love love and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: then you also told Title you think Gibbs is going
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: to get the Lions share, if you will. So that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that you could put together there,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I think quite easily between those two.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But I guess both you talking. I kind of have
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: a feeling on.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: This Jaden Reid spot here because it's getting a little
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bit kept in check. It's not quite the best ceiling,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: but man, it's quite a discount from the rest of
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: these guys eleven to four. So I kind of like
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Jayden Reid the one on the Packers, and I like
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Jamison Williams the two on the Lions, and neither are
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: super cheap, but neither are as expensive as though. Do
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you have any extra thoughts there? Title, that's just two
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that stood out. I guess, oh, what do we got here?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just this kind I get that, like
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: thirty is a huge fantasy point number, there's no doubt
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: about it. But like, in my eye, someone's getting there.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I don't care what's happened in the past, like and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I want to envision that sort of upside. Maybe it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: twenty eight, maybe it's twenty nine. Like I'm building my
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: teams with the assumption that's so one's getting there and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: having a big boy game today.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like that's the same as always. You're
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: not saying for sure, like no one's been hitting thirty
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: all season. Look at main slats, We've been looking for them,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase couple here along the way, like Justin Jefferson
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: would beg for a thirty point week here, No shots intended,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: just say like it's been tough, but you're saying you're
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: envisioning who could get me thirty because I'm thinking that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: when what's going to be needed. And if you come
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: up short and hit twenty six and a half plus.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: One and then so, I mean some of these game
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: lags a Monross San Bronso got twenty eight, twenty six
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: and forty. Josh Jacobs has the Massive whatever that was
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: like a forty Fantasy point game that he's got like
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: twenty eight and twenty fives in there. So like the
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: thirty number is just you know, a number to show
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: how much upside you're looking for in that spot.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, sorry, Yeah, yeah, that's good. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: love that point.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because that's kind of
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the thing. It's like, if you aim for you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: nobody's perfect. If you aim for perfection and come up
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: short and hit excellent, you're probably doing pretty good.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing here.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: If you're aiming for thirty and nobody hits thirty but
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you get twenty seven, that's the same thing.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: It's what you.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And I'll say someone is hitting thirty. So if anyone
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: wants action on and no one in this game hitting thirty,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that's fine. Like I think someone will hit thirty.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, Nick Chubb absolutely terrible the other night
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, people want to people want to talk about
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the Hoop Poop plays. I mean they're like ten for
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the last ten. I mean they just they just don't
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: they don't miss anymore. So yeah, I mean feel free his.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Own nickname title the Hoop Poop Plays.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Who is it today? Who who's the worst playing on
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: the slate today?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Oh it's still earlier.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I'll let you know, as we gotta it's gotta be.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be tough to find one today. Like, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: don't know if I want, I don't want to know
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: if I want to put my streakop. I don't know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to put put my streak on the line.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I'll in the box twice.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Again for later. Hoop, save it for later. We'll get
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the hoop the Hooper Scooper, the Hooper Poopers title.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: People love the jokes as soon as I throw out
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: those crazy statements that, oh now it's a lock, I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: got play him. Be careful, be careful, know what I'm saying?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, title? Any anything else to add after
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: we went through. I know you covered it up front,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: but just now that you, like I waited for the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: thoughts to come through, it kind of made me think
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: about reading Jamison Williams just as two guys in the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: middle that could sort of bust at anything else you
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thought of that you you came up with that, captain.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: If not, you could take us into further quarterback thoughts.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will I just I think keeping Watson if
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: you're playing mm me, definitely should be in the wide
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: receiver pool. He has the same props pretty much as
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Jamison Williams for a little cheaper ownership's relatively similar, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: he ran like the most routes and he is a
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: guy that one catch seventy five yards.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: He's there down the face of captain or for flux.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Captain, I think you should be in the captain pool
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: without Romeo Dobbs.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: He was the biggest beneficiary for sure.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I like to recall too though Tambell, like, those receivers
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: are gonna be captain.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Check at captain. There's no doubt about that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: And I think I agree with you as Wis be
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: my least favorite due to the price, and if you
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: play him, just leave keeps them up. But at the
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: end of the day, Wis could easily outscore Jayden Reid
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: and I'm not surprised there. So just build kind of accordingly,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: like Tambo's saying, a lot of WIX teams will look similar.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the Watson read stuff like, I'm going to
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: definitely be embracing these packers receivers, and I agree with
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: who I think someone puts up a big score for
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: sure in this one.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: You said, take you into running back.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: If you just if you don't have any further quarterback talks.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, we kind of hit on quarterbacks, but you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to clarify one thing I guess was
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the golf thing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: The chat was asking about what we were talking about. Captain. Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: she's gonna go.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Into the flex and if you got you know, I'm
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: under op top or Jamison Williams is like, yeah, you're
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: gonna put golf into it. In most cases you don't
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: have to do it at all, and you can set
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that up in Ship to Miser. There's even a setting
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: so you can do it in like eighty percent of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: your lineup, so you do get some without et cetera.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was just saying anything further, you had
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: a quarterback, if you want to go through that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not really. I'm with you, guys.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: I prefer love to golf, and if I had to,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: like x olut someone like of the good plays, it
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: would be I think golf at the captain spot for
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the same reasons you guys said.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe even in the flex if choosing I'm saying I'm
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: playing a bunch of the flex. But I'm saying, if
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you want to go a love lineup with no golf
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: on the other side, is not that you have to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: spend for him. There is an opportunity where some of
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: these guys just rack up enough PPR points at similar
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: prices or less where they do more than golf in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: some of those.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Different builds that you're putting out there.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Hoop, did you have other captain or
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: other sorry quarterback thoughts at all?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I mean for me, you know, I want as much
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: as I can possibly get. I mean again, I definitely
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: prefer love over golf. I'll have more love over golf
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: in the flex, I'll have more love over golf in
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the Captain. I might not even play golf in the Captain.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm kind of in agreement with you guys when
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it comes with that, but I'll have a lot of both.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: But if you're, you know, single, if you're handbuilding one
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: team and you only have spot for one, I really
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: prefer depending on like roster construction and stuff is just
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: straight up and you need one of these guys. I
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: prefer love over golf, but by quite a bit. Today,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: all the projections have it relatively close. For me, It's
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: pretty clear I want love over golf.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I saw this, I had like PTSD, I saw a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: chair thought it was another silly wheelchair joke coming in,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: but shout out to Taco. Todd said, thanks to Shipping
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Nation and the takedowns I've won. I have a nice
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: new reclining chair with a built in massage er in
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: my living room.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Hashtag ship let's go.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: You got to invite to the ship a crew over
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: there to watch some football.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: That's the way to watch the game.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: If you can't get to the you know, Ford field there,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you may as we hop into the reclining massage chair
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and everything you got going on.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So are you gonna bring this up?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Hoop?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll kick it over to title. I don't know
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: if you want to pull that up. Well, Title Talk's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: running back right quick.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get that going for us, yeah right now.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And anyone wondering what that is just we call
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: it the dry rum. But we're just gonna run ship
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: tomizer with no randomness at all and just see what
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: it wants to give us and what most people's starting
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: point looks like when they're using an optimizer on this
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: slate with similar projections. Title running back thoughts Jake Jacobs,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Montgomery Gibbs obviously the three big dogs but there's talks,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you know, Chris Brooks getting into games and he's got
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: somewhat of a projection on there, so maybe talk about
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: running back and anything else you've got there.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Gibs in Montgomery obviously lying stuff. I do think
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: you can play them together. We've seen it work on
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: main slates. People always shy away a little bit, especially handbuilders,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: but very sharp people will do it. It eliminates dupes. Both
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: of them favor to score a touchdowns. So I mean
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I'm playing both in the flights. I think it's pretty
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: clear you guys know that I prefer Gibs today then Montgomery.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: As far as packers stuff, definitely, Josh Jacobs looks like
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a phenomenal play in every which way.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Lion's defense is completely beat up.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Jacob's been a workhorse and catch passes one of my
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: favorite plays.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: And Chris Brooks has definitely he's taken.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Over the running back too for Emmanuel Wilson, and he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: got at least one target in the last five games,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: a couple touches on the ground. He's plus four to
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: fifty to score as well, which isn't bad at all
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: for the price, and just who's around him down there
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: while cheaper boat Melton at point two K we'll talk
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: about a little bit.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I think Brooks is definitely safer. Mountain didn't run many routes.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Wilson's wide receiver, three brock Wrights, just a cardio blocking
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: tight end. Then you get Tim Patrick defense and stuff
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: like that. So I think you're forced to play some
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Chris Brooks be on the field, solid touchdown prop what
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: he gets two to three catches six seven points That
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: could be enough today if the big boys get there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: So I think four clear running backs this should.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Be in your pool.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he falls in too, might get those
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: catches plus a fall in and then it's actually valuable.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I know, you know, Hoops talked about it all season.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: We've tended to agree with him, unlike these punts, like
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you play him in mmy, but you almost know. It's
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: just like your unique hunting right, You're like, can I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: find a unique lineup that has this and get lucky
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: with it? Some games you do, some games you don't.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: But more often than not we haven't seen them be
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: as involved. But I think Brooks makes a lot of sense,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and you made a good case when you sort of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: look at what is he up against?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I guess it just depends because Hoop's about to give
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: us the dry.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Run of how easy wis just makes everything work at
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: forty two hundred versus reversing those numbers.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And dropping down to twenty four hundred and playing Brooks.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: What do you got? Hoo?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still pulling up it. In terms of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: running back stuff, I pretty much agree with you know
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: what we got and there's no true hot takes here
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: really like Josh Jacobs, like Gibbs a lot, like Montgomery,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Like I want access, I want exposure to all those guys.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: The Brooks over Wilson stuff makes sense. Brooks twenty four
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: hundred to twenty four hundred dollar price tags and be
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: very valuable on the slate with you know how many
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: studs we have and how many high upside guys that
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: we want to play. So yeah, I'm gonna play and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I will cap it like I don't want to play,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and we'll see when this dry run comes through. I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: just had to refresh and restart it here. But like,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I don't want to play thirty percent Brooks. So like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: if I build my teams and I have a ton
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of Brooks, like I want to cap that a little bit.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I probably don't want more than fifteen percent or maybe
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: twenty at the most. He will show up because he
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: does have a cheap price tag and a pretty decent projection.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: We're showing ten percent. I don't want to be much
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: higher than that on Brooks and this is finishing up,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna share my screen and uh and show
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: you what we got here. Of course, now it's not
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: gonna finish getting close. We're getting close. We're getting close.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: If you're doing that, I'll just finally because it's no
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: need to continue saying the same stuff. I'm like pretty
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: much in lockstep with titles original analysis of just saying
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: like the GiB stuff. For sure, I'm not scared of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: this whiteboard. I don't think the field is either. The
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: ownership is gonna be there, so nobody's worried about, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: him getting in trouble or docked for any fumbles or
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: whiteboard code words or anything.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So for me, I like him more.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I think I actually agree too with the original breakdown
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: of Montgomery and Captain more than even in flex because
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, is the one you know if he falls
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: in the box once and gets you sixty on the ground.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Is that going to be as valuable as some of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: these other ones if we are getting some of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: pass catchers back and forth, I don't know, but he'll
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: be in both spots. But I prefer Gibbs more, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna play some Chris Brooks.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Is just what Hoop said. I would I agree there.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: If I'm getting forty percent Chris Brooks, I'm not doing that,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: even if it has worked in the past and seems
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to be the way when it tells us that that's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: not what I'm gonna do. But I have interest because
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I don't like a lot of these other values, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I think there's actual realistic value to a running back
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: in his position where it could, you know, tons of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: different game flows could lead to him getting in and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: doing a little bit more. So I like that more
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: than like a brock Wright or some something along those lines.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Cool. All right, well, we we're waiting for that. Who
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: maybe talk about your your wide receivers.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go to title real quick. I'm gonna get this finalized,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: all right, title.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, packers stuff. I mean, we kind of talked
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: about a lot of the captain stuff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I think My favorite flex receiver for the Packers is Wicks,
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: and I do think he's the chalkiest.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: But the reason I like it is I would feel
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: so fine dropping read.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: The Wicks, Jame Ode Wicks, Watson, the Wicks La Porta
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: a Wicks like. I look at Wicks pretty much the
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: same as all of them, and people just don't like
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: leaving three k plus on the table. So my second favorite,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: I think would be Watson to leave a little more
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: and like the ownership disc or the ownership gap reed
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: will be higher on than Watson. I think Watson comes
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: in the lowest one of these three with very similar upside.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: So actually it's not just those three. I do think
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: that bow Melton, if you're playing a lot of lineups,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: should be in your pool.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Like he's similar to Brooks.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: The problem is last week he only got on the
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: field for nine snaps, like you're hoping one two targets. Yes,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: he can fall in the box, it can be thirty yards.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Is that enough.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I do prefer Chris Brooks though to bow Melton or
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: maliek Keith.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: He'll be on the field more.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: He has a better touchdown prop like he can get
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: a goal line carry, but if you drop like a
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Chris Brooks to a bow meltin, I think that's fine.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I do not like maliek Keith only played one snap
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: last week Lionside. I think it's really easy, Amen, Ra
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Jamison Williams and Tim Patrick. I mean Tim Patrick was
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: on the field a lot. He's a grown man out
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: there who calls you, yeah, so im good talk. I
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: think those three for sure, and those.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Are going three I mess with Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I got the dry run up there so just to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: see quick and I double checked it because I was like,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: maybe I forgot to turn the randomness and then I
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: looked and it's not the case if you go to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: if you go to Flex actual exposure wix seventy two percent,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it's giving me but funny enough. And we don't see
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: this very often. We've done a lot of these showdown
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: shows with the dry run. Even the dry run hoop
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: is spreading out at the captain, Like we talked about
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: how it gets spread out, and you talk about main
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: slates with quarterback ownership getting spread out. This flex, this
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: captain is love at twenty one Read eighteen, Gibbs fifteen,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Wix fifteen eleven for okay, so I love these next three.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: This is awesome if this is what people are getting,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: because it's like fifteen eighteen percent on wix Golf and
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: thea Porta and I have very little interest in those three.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is good for me. But go ahead,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: hoop if you want.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: To take it over sea.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of you know, nothing all that crazy. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: guess a mom Ras Saint Brown coming in that low
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: is somewhat surprising. I would say if you go to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Flex though, it was what we have like seventy so
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: wis is way up there at seventy two. I don't
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: would not feel comfortable playing seventy two Wicks. So if we,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: you know, do cap that and I don't know if
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: you're want to do forty or fifty or something, how
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: does that relate to the captain ownership? So we're really
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: liking Laporta today, which is somewhat surprising. What is our
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: what is our number on him? Just pulling him back over?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So we got an eleven projection.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Aggressive, pretty aggressive number, but again it's an offense that's
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: projected to score tonight, So I guess eleven maybe pretty standard,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: but I guess it is somewhat surprising that he's showing
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: up this often because with you guys like I don't
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable with Laporta. I mean he's kind of turned
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: into touchdown or bust territory where he's not getting the volume.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Last year he got the volume. This year it's it's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: touchdown or essentially nothing. So I don't really love that
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: run him. Our Chris book Brooks ownership is in check.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing wild there. So yeah, I guess, you know, like
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: you said initially, I guess the main point is with Captain,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: if you just go in and run it, it's gonna
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: get spread out. So I think it is important to,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you know, make some changes, make some stand make some cuts,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: and you know, as we've gone along in the show,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I've been able to do that. Like the golf thing,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I'm with you guys like I'm probably out on golf
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Captain now. So it's good to talk through it. Good
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: to see this. But the only thing that I think
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: came through super crazy was the Wick's ownership was pretty high.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing is too title.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: This is the other thing like it's we don't see
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it spread out too often like this. It usually loves
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a Lamar or a Jalen hurts or something. There's enough
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: value to make it all work, but it is spreading
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it out, and we're getting leverage pretty much everywhere, like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you know, getting if Love's going to be twelve to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: fifteen range, even if he gets as high as like fifteen,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: it still wants to give us twenty one. If Reid
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: gets to ten or twelve, which I don't think he will,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: but even if he did, it still wants to give
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: us eighteen. So I kind of count these things even
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: if I'm double counting as like, if this then that
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like okay, Gibbs might get two fifteen, then it's not
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: gonna actually need that much leverage. But you know, at
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: least it already wanted me to play him. But I
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: think I do believe some of the other spots that
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I see, and so it would make sense. And then
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: clearly it wants an underweight stance on a Manra. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: like Hoop said, one way to fix that would be
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: if you know, went down. If you want a more
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: a Manra, you can just change him. But we're pretty
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: obviously what's gonna happen the minute you change a Manra's
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: minimum exposure to say ten, and you want to get
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: some of that. It's gonna give your exposures down here
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a boost. Right, you're Chris Brooks, you're Tim Patrick's the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: world we're almost getting. We're getting sub ten percent on
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: those guys right now. So anything else you wanted.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: To see here, a title or that you saw that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: stood out, Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I think like the captain stuff when we're just like
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: a little overweight on like six guys. Like I love
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: playing that approach and the reason for it, especially in
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: NFL Showdown in MMA because it's a nut sport and
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: second nuts pretty much pays.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Nothing a lot of the times to the first nuts.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: So if you think you can build better lineups in
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: the field, you get slightly overweight, you talk about a tambo,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: but just say, like of the seven percent Watson Captain
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: teams three percent or dust you have nine percent. So
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: your three x the field in your mind relative to everything,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: and you can still spread out a six seven guys.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I'm gonna be doing it today.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: And another thing out there using ship tomizer any optimizer,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: and if you're building like five teams, I like my
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: men uniques at two on a showdown instead of one
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: because you're just diversifying a little more. That means you
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: will not allow yourself to do a one v one
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: off a team. You are making sure you at least
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: have two differences including captain, and that again diversifies your
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: portfolio a little more. That's why you see like Hoop
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: wins MMA. Sometimes his bubbles are usually that are spread out,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: but sometimes he misses all of them except one, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: that one pays everything. That's MMA NFL showdown at dupe
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: game kind of. So those are the little stuff that
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: that stuck out to me more just process stuff.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like that call out and I forget
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: what the first part you just said that I was
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: gonna look up and go see I showed that. Oh
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I was gonna show this here like the Wix stuff
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: real quick. Like here's an example again. This is one
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of the better projected ones. So pretty obvious stuff with this.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: But notice on this when we go into it, it
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: shows your projected ownership. This is a total ownership. Obviously,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I like a little bit of a product ownership, or
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we're fitting in and we are somewhat accounting for that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: When you can figure it out over here and say
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: do I have any differentiators that are gonna help cut
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: into that. But notice the Wix ones and why I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: don't like them. They're great lineups, they project well, they
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: make sense, they even live a little money on the table.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: But they're all just super old.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Like anytime you see high total ownership like this and
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a pretty high salary spend, it's gonna be just super
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: duplicated in the in the field.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And look at the Wicks two oh one, two oh
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: nine two two oh said.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: The only ones in the two hundreds pretty much are
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Wix lineups. So again I don't think they're bad lineups.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And if you're playing a higher dollar or even a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: lower dollar but in a smaller field, I get that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and it makes a little bit more sense. But fore
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you're looking to doup unless you're leaving a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of money on the table or something like that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Oop, go ahead.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a good comment because the
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: one thing I mean, we've kind of been talking about
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions defense. They've been banged up for a
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and despite the injury and stuff, they
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: still played very very well. So that is a good point.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Their defense has continued to play well despite all these injuries.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think it catches up with them tonight,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: like I think it all catches up with them tonight.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And I think the Packers have success, And I do
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: agree though, like I think the way they have success
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: is through the air. Still like Jacob's he can get
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: their catching passes, he can obviously you know, get in
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the end zone a couple of times. But I do
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: agree with this point. I think it's love that kind
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: of gets the job done today and the passing game
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: over Jacobs. But again, like running backs, if the game's
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: high scoring, running backs are going to have a lot
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: of opportunity, especially a guy like Jacobs. That's why I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: kind of still including him in my captain pool. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: think that's a good point here.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Plus there's the possibility still for the showdown similar
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: week uno reverse.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Of the other night. Like I definitely got that wrong.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I thought there was a chance that game could go
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: under everyone that the YouTube chat got it right for
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: maybe the first time, had the super over and it
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: crushed Jamis just went off and back and forth. But
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: there is a chance that this is another one where
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: people just think it goes over and somehow the stupid
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Broncos Browns game ends up being more exciting with more
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: points than the Packers Lions game because you're getting a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's the second isn't it hooped? And these
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: guys already play this is the second division matchup, right?
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was crappy weather. Lions lines smoked them,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: line beat their ass. I think there's a pointless touchdown
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: at the end for the Packers, but the Lions spanked them.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess you know, you know the takeaways
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and obviously being involved for many years doing this and
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: just football in general, sometimes these second division games doya type.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Up a little bit and we'll see. But I have
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: a hard time seeing it tonight as well.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you were going that way with
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the Jacob side, to your point, that could be another
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: thing that happens. Right, They do just end up keeping
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it on the ground. They get a couple of touchdowns
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that way, and then these teams do have.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Enough options that it could spread out after that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: So you're just talking about us being locked up and
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: it feels good being locked up with your knaves. But
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: like that's a dumb comment, Like that's an excuse, shitty
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: weather Love made a huge mistake. They're in Green Bay,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: like that's an advantage to them, like what the Bills
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: just did to the Niners. This is a terrible comment
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: He told you he was already there before he said, Okay,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I got it all right, gotta go back and come
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: back here.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: So you got two out of three comments. Not bad,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but the one, the one is terrible.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Sixty six percent of the time, you're good sixty seven
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: if you round up needs, he's got you.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's uh, let's keep it moving. Then where do
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: we leave off? I know a title. You took wide
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: receiver right to w hoop you want to?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I got the same same points. I mean, all these
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the main guys are all and I'm playing the passing
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: stuff today like I just talked about it with Love.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I want all his pass catchers read. I think is
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: a phenomenal play. The nice thing about Reid is you
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: always have the potential for an end around. Like they're
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: very creative how they use red and those are such
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: valuable wide receivers. So really like him. Watson for sure,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: and those love captain teams and without love captain the
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: fine with Wicks, but he's gonna come in. You know
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: if we just you just saw, if you run an
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: optimizer and don't change anything, you're gonna get a ton
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: of wicks. And he's gonna show up in the Captain too,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: So be careful with how you play wis And then
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: you know, Bo Melton at twelve hundred like that, they'll
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: give him some some deep looks. We've talked about it
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: on the other shows, and I'll be passing on Leak
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Heath as well. The lion stuff. It's, I mean, about
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: as straightforward as it gets for a wide receiver trio.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: It's Monro Saint Brown, it's Jamison Williams, and they're finally
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: putting a little respect on my boy's name, Tim Patrick,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: thirty four hundred. You know, we had the inside We
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: had the inside track here. I told you I listened
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: to the sports talk radio was maybe like a month ago,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: said you know, Jared Goss speaking highly of our boy
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Tim Patrick. Was the first play of the game, I believe,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: like a fifty yard catch or something. So we've been
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: ahead of the curve on Tim Patrick. People will be
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: on him tonight obviously because of Showdown, But I do
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: think he's a good showdown play. He really excels in
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: those breakaway plays. Golf does knock it out of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: pocket all that often, but when he does, seems like
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Tim Patrick just gets open and he hits him. So
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: those are the plays that we're looking for with a
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: guy like Tim Patrick. It's worked out so far, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: especially good on a showdown.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Takedown came through with the gym videos the other day.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: By the way, I forgot to bring this up. Says
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I'm hiding in the bathroom. Why my in laws are over?
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So it's not a laws are over.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, Nad's was doing stuff from the gym too.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I actually have a picture over right there home or baby.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's still not backing down. Love interception was
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: a fourteen point swing. Okay, great, Like what's your point
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: of course?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, we got him, we got him,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: We got him.
• 43:50
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• 43:52
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• 43:54
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• 44:15
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• 44:18
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• 44:21
  Speaker 1: That, so you're not too late for the giveaways. So
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: he's mad.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Now we've had a love hate relationship today, man, Like
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: we opened up rough, we found common ground, and then
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: your love interception take it's just brutal bad weather in
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Green Bay, Like, come on, let's get back on track, Mades,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: We're on Love Captain together. Let's let's reunite.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Take us in a title to your call earlier, the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Sam Laporta potti. That was a good one too. What
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: do we got with this guy and the rest of
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the tight ends.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just him or Tucker Craft, and give me.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: I'll probably have more Tucker Craft because he's two under less.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I think he will be less owned and I'll be
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: playing more Jordan Love Captain, So just natural pairing.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Easier for me to go craft in the flax.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to love stuff than the porta but I
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: mean I'll be playing I'm yeah, the porta potty, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: do not. I think he's cheeks somehow fell in the
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: box twice on Thanksgiving, however, won't play captain. I'm still
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: gonna play some flax. If he does score once twice,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: he has a chance to get there. But I don't
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: love his upside. I prefer Craft.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: See that ownership too, you called it, but like this
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: is again it's not Oh, I shouldn't sa ownership.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Ownership's only five percent delta.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: But see what the optimizer wants to give, like you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: talked about it, even at two hundred bucks more because
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: the projection we've got him mat and I know other
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: sites are similar or close. We might be a little
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: higher than most actually, but just to note that is
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: kind of the point. And if you want to flip
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: it for two hundred bucks less, you get Tucker Craft
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: there on the on the same side, so or on
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the opposite side, same position.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry, So hoop your thoughts at tight end.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing. Love the flipper Rooski dipperroot what do
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: you call that stuff?
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: You do?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Swap a root? But this is just the one, the one.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Is there anything any saying for a one v one
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: that you like throwing out there because yeah, the coin, Yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: we love the coin. Flip it's a it's an iconic
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: gesture of Tambo's. But I'm with you guys, like I
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: want Craft over the porta feels weird. I'm not like
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: shitting on the porta, but the way I'm building my teams,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I want Craft over the portal for sure, especially on
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: those like love Captain teams, like Craft is a perfect
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: perfect fit for that. And this is a situation where
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: if you're if you have that same same take, you
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: can just go in there and change the numbers, like
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: you know, without having to manipulate the men in Max.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: All you gotta do is say all right for the
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: owners or for the projection number. Flip it between the two.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Take the craft. Yeah, just Laporta is now nine, Craft
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: is now eleven. And that's just one way to immediately
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: get different. You're gonna get way more Craft over the porta.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I mean you don't have to, but that's one way
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: to to go about it without my and with the
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: min max stuff. And I don't hate that move because
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I kind of think that I would project Craft higher
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: than laport it tonight and I want more craft than
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: the port it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and you'll see to it'll change it even
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: further because it's also look a look at the projected
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: values here, right, you see it? So you plug it
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: in like you said, you go nine eleven. Everything changes
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: real time, and it's even more valuable because Tucker's cheaper
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: and you're giving them the same points on a lower price.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Just for those that don't follow optimizers or use them,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: or live by the myth that the optimizer is only
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: needed if you have one hundred and fifty lineups, I mean,
• 47:30
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• 47:33
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• 47:36
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• 47:38
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• 47:41
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• 47:43
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• 47:46
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• 47:51
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• 47:53
  Speaker 2: out the tutorials and see what it's all about. So
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I got nothing else to add at tight end Kickers
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and D's title.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Anything there, I wanted to say right away, like, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: definitely don't like Packers defense they're my least favorites. But
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I did think of when Goff threw four picks. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: believe the Texans and Hoop says when he's off, he's
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: completely off. I'm not really sure today's gonna be that game.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're gonna be super low owned, but I
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: think Packers are still my least I like the Kickers,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: no doubt about that both.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: I guess maybe I don't.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Know overpriced the right word, but five k and fifty
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: two hundreds up.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: There a bit.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, these guys can go for fourteen to sixteen
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: in a dom at anytime. So I prefer Kickers overde
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: and yeah, maybe even fade Packers.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: But whoops saying that when golf's off, he's really off.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: In the back of my head, I threw it up there. Man.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: You can't off without off, so there's always those games
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: on off switch.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But if he's off, it's it's bad.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, we saw what happened that one game
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and then he bounced back the next and crush, So
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: it's all dependent on that. There is some big time
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: injuries so played accordingly. That's the beauty of if you
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: play more than one lineup and you can build a
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: portfolio and building different ways, that would be something I'd
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: be looking at.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And even if you have love and the I mean, I'm.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Jacob's in the captain we talked about it earlier.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: If he gets two touchdowns early on and now Goff
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: has to start chucking and you know, any type of
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: sort of bad result, it'll lead to something like that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And you could see where the packers are more involved
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: so in the flex, but that would be how I'd
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: be looking to use them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Hoop, you got thoughts, they're the kickers and defenses.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have like a what do we
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: call it the hoop poop scoop or something. Well, we'll
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: come up with the official and I don't have an
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: official like one play, but it's going to be the
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: defenses combined. And I guess it's not even really a
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: hot take because they're going to be low owned. But
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I just I'm not. I just can't imagine playing any
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: any defense, Like if you're you're you're playing this game
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: for for scoring, just unclick the defenses, I mean pick
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: sixes can happen, fumbles, picking them up, returning them like
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: that stuff can happen. It's out of our control. But
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to me, the defenses are just really bad plays today,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: just really really bad. They're not going to get ownership.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: So it's not like a hot take or anything. It's
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: not gonna be the he calls like the you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the Nick Chubb stuff or the JK. Dobbins that we've
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: had recently. But to me, the defenses are just bad.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, the one thing is there's high variants
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: with defenses, Like a crappy defense against a really really
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: good offense just takes one play they can get a
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: pick six. But for me, on paper, like I think,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, these defenses are just terrible, terrible plays. So
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: no no interest at all, and then a lot of
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: interest in the kickers in a dome. Both of them
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: can can make long kicks Baits and McManus, so very
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: interested in both kickers. Will be overweight on both kickers
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and then likely fading. Both defenses are very small percent
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: if I need it to kind of finish everything up.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: But to me, the defenses are just terrible, terrible plays.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the thing I was gonna say just quick
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and then I'll let you get the fan duel. But
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: the the kickers, I'm fine anywhere. The defenses for me
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: would just be light up dependent, like I'm building it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: based off that, like my Jacobs example, so not really
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: trying to force them in. And I think you do
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: a good job of this, Soop, you just don't, like
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you said, you're not trying to say it's a hot
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: take or that these are gonna be high on so
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't play them as much as you look to
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: pick up edges or like little leverage like that pays
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the rake if it does, it does, but you you'll
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: pick up eight percent here and seven percent there and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: ten percent there, and eventually people like that all adds up.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It's not like it's worth nothing. It may be low.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: You pick the defense.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: It isn't even high own, yeah, but it's that seven
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: plus that ten plus that other guy at.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Five or four, like they all add up in the end.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the one thing I will for sure, Yeah, I.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Mean, that's just what I've learned from you over the time,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of the whole point. And even if
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you are playing any any captains that are chalky or
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: something like. That's that's literally how you get away with it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Not only do you have leverage on them at captain,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: but you've picked up all the leverage within the flex spot.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: So the chat keeps saying it. You can't spell hoopster
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: without pos and you never leave the table on a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: heater and know title knows about that. You just got
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: to give the people who you gotta put it on
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the line, man, you can't hold back the streak. It's
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: a great day the Lions at Ford Field, you got tickets.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Who is the hoop pos play of the day?
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Can I just take both defenses? Or do I have
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: to pick a specific player? I mean both defenses combined
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: or probably twenty five twenty eight percent defense.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Is allowed in mainslight course?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Can we have to pick one?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: You?
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we can force it though, man, like, like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: can we really force it?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: You want to let the people down on a big day,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: big show, everybody watching.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: It's actually but I like them, and I.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Don't know if I can do today. I don't think
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I can put on the line. I mean I gotta
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: feel it, like not. Now that we've been running so
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: hot with this, I don't want to like force something
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and then oh you do know your plays. A lot
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: of pressure, man, a lot of pressure in.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Here looking for it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I I can't be forced.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: It just has to come baturally. Like we'll definitely have
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: something for Sunday, Like I'll have it. I'll definitely have
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: a play on Sunday, the Poop play. But man, I
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: just don't know if it can. I just don't feel
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: like I can be forced into something. I'm gonna I'm
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: sticking with what I said. It's gonna be the defenses.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: If you guys don't like that, Like, I just I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: not feeling anything else today.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Hoop cannot be peer pressured, guys. Really good
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: dude in high school.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Man. It's funny though, but I am someone that can
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: very easily be peer pressured and just about anything. Like
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: that's the crazy part. I always cave to peer pressure.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But right now I'm just not. I'm not feeling it, man,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Like I just can't. It's something that can't be forced.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you're talking about actually taking a shit
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: or something here, like people are saying you can do it, Hoop.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: It's like a teaching your four year old to go
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: on the potty or something like here speaking of and
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: all this stuff.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: But all right, the other sides, now, the other sides
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: coming around, stand strong, you've been it's been working, don't
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: force it. So yeah, other sides coming around.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: We got the good people here. We always appreciate that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: All right, give them the fandul goods.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Then let's start there, and then we'll get over the
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: title for his thoughts on FanDuel. But I'll let you
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: start at hoop. It's usually your your segment. What do
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: we got with FanDuel tonight?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So cornerbacks really cheap. I mean, Jordan Love at
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: thirteen to five, quarterbacks have an advantage. It's just too cheap.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: And then where's our boy Jared Goff thirteen k? So
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: just too too cheap for those quarterbacks. I'd say the
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: interesting thing would be a Manra Saint Brown fourteen to
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: five and then Jamier Gibbs at fifteen k. They're the
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: two most expensive plays on the slate. People typically want
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: to stick with, you know, running actual like running back
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: guys that are more running dependent if they're not going
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: to go quarterback. So I think a Manra and Gibbs
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: up top, you're gonna have to sacrifice a little bit
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: in your lineups to make it work because they are
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: a little bit more expensive. But I think those are
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: our standout plays in the MVP. I know it keeps
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: saying captain, but in the MVP is a Manra and
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Gibbs for me because of the price tags and you
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: got to sacrifice a little bit more. Jacob's twelve five,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: David Montgomery twelve k. It looks like they stacked up
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: every single player and then just decreased it by five hundred,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: like all the way down, Like everyone's like a five
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars difference. If you look at this, you got
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Jayden Reid eleven k, you got Jamieson Williams ten to five,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Christian Watson ten k, then Laporta, then the kickers, and
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: then the defenses at eighty five. So I mean they've
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: clearly just kind of given up on their showdown showdown
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: stuff here. But Tim Patrick at eight k it's a
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: little more difficult than the thirty four hundred over on DK.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Chris Brooks six k, so the value does kind of
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: stink here. His value is not very good at all.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, like forcing in like a Gibbs
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: or a manra up top. I think it is a
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: play on the slate, but nothing else really stands up.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to find it from the other
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: night here.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I can't fully get there because maybe I just didn't
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: play a lot of Sutton, but I was gonna say so,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: bo Nicks was like fifty percent owned in MVP.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: The other night, Judy four percent, in Djoku two percent.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Like people just don't there's no way to play one
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: of these guys up top. You just have to quarterback
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: is pretty much how people play it. And Winston was
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: only eleven on the opposite side.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: And so that on that show too, I think we
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: were all in lockstep where just we liked the Winston
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: over Bonnick stuff because of the ownership. I'm pretty sure
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: we all kind of said that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was so Sutton was twelve, Winston was eleven,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: bo Nicks was forty seven, and after that everybody's like
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: four and five percent, So like, you can get away
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: if you Here's the thing, I don't know, title, what
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: do you think Tonight's love It's got?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're showing them, but it kind of makes
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: go I love.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: It a lot.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Get over sixty five percent combine like play everyone but
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: them and hope.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: You get it right.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's honestly, and by the way, another big chop
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: the other night.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our guy.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: By the way, you know, those who don't know the story,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: we joked about this on the last Showdown show on Monday,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and we were like, oh yeah, somebody even won the
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Sunday night football slate outright for one hundred k on FanDuel.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: It's been going this way lately. That winner pops in
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: our discord the next morning. So this happened on Fan
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Duel last night. It was the one hundred k outright
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Showdown shippers, so you love to see that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And then it was sixty two.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: To five again the other so maybe people are catching on. Man,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: it's that's that's the way. Just avoid the most popular
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: MVP and then leave some money on the table.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Big chunks. And I think people will look at it
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: and say, oh, if I leave five hundred or a thousand,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: like I'm good. No, we're talking like thousands, three four thousand,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Like that's how you get the solo shippers on FanDuel.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Like avoid the popular like you talked about, and then
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: just leave heat, I mean tons of money on the table.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I think the other night it was basically Sutton money
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: down to Mims, which, if it gives you any idea,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I think that was like seven kill spending fifty three
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of your sixty thousand.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: It's just you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Spending sixty is like a death sentence almost in DFS
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: on there, because you're even when you hit, it's gonna
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: be so chopped up that seven is a lot. And
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I know it's not comfortable, but if it makes sense,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: it's risky. But it was basically, if it's not Sutton,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: who would it be. Well, one guy that could beat
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: him with one shot down the field would be Mims.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Why not take a shot on it? Well, those that
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: did got rewarded for the tune of sixty two thousand,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: five hundred, So yeah, I think that's pretty interesting title.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Any other final thoughts on the slate before we get
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: out of here.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just the last thing on fandle Wicks, like the
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: tim Patricks, the Kickers, the defenses, the Meltains of the
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: world will all be less owned because Wicks is miss
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: priced at seventy five hundred and we'll get that. So
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: if any of those guys outscore him down there you
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: can get and that's that way.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: And yeah, like why can't Laporte?
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, I shit on the port of the whole time,
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: but why can't he outscore Amen?
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Roh?
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: You drop down there five K?
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Like instead of winning five point five K, you win
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: sixty two K?
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: How many times? Ten x? Like does Amin Rod do
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: it ten times? Or more than ten times? I'll score Laporta.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: That's the little stuff you look at. Then you can
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: lose for over a year straight keep the same bank roll.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: That's the GPP swing. So I definitely get different on fandom.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some good stuff on that too.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I was looking at some showdown stuff on draftings the
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: other day with Uticao because he's won the three thirty
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: three like three of the last four weeks or something
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: and showed down And it's funny, but it's true. The
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: dupe team that comes in, like you know, seventeen or
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: eighteen people have it. He has the one above it
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: for the win and the one below it. But he
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: doesn't even join the dupe train. He just knows it's
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the train and goes, you know what I'm playing? He
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: needs to play to win obviously the amount of volume
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: he puts up. It's basically you want you have to
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: win as much as often as often as you can.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: But he's not even considering the train. He just says,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting out the train. This plays off the wall instead,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and then another version of it with this one v
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: one And if it doesn't work out, it sucks. He's
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: behind the train. But if it does, it's all the money.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And that's pretty much what the game is has turned
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: into and what it's all about.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: So who, I don't be had final thoughts, but it's
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: same applies on FanDuel.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: To your point, Yeah, I mean it's you know, there's
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: little thing. I mean, it's hard to obviously get to
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: his level of play, but there's little things you can
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: do to start working in that direction. And for sure,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: on like if you're playing on FanDuel, just eliminate if
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: you're building multiple teams, eliminate sixty thousand dollars teams where
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: you're using all the salary and bring it down to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: you know, fifty nine to five or fifty nine thousand flat.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Like that makes a huge difference. And I've noticed that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: even on DraftKings leaving sometimes two, three, four hundred dollars.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like much, but you avoid those massive
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: trains and the contest you're talking about. I've had some
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: sweats in where there's the big trains. I left like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: three or four hundred on at least on every team.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Obviously some more, and that is enough sometimes just to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: avoid those big trains and put you in the position
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: to win it all versus chopping with twenty thirty people
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: whatever it may be. So just little tweaks can can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: make the change and start in the direction. Obviously you're
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: not going to be playing at Unikow's level right out
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: of the gate, but you can start to work in
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: that direction and putting yourself in more favorable positions.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great way to put it too, because it's not
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: really about like the bank roll that he plays at
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the level as much as like the thought process and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: what you can do. You're still you can apply it
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: in the lottery. You can apply it for your If
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you play three three teams on FanDuel for nine bucks apiece,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily breaking the bank in most cases it's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: twenty seven bucks, but it's like if that's how you're
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: spending your twenty seven dollars. Why not play it to win?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: And so to titles point ARSB down to Laporta. Does
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: it feel great? Probably not?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: But should it feel that bad?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: No, because it's like it's easy that he could catch
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: a touchdown in the same yards or more in that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: he might only beat him yero point five on the night,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: and but he beat him, and that's what it takes
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: to be in the top spot, which pays off because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the amount of money just makes it that much more unique.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: So appreciate that.
• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:37
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:42
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