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#825 Going Alcohol Free - Zero or Hero? · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just
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  Speaker 2: wants answers now.
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  Speaker 3: And if you've got a particularly curious teenager, you don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's the neck glass or you don't know that
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  Speaker 3: they've finished their zero percent bottle and then poured some
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  Speaker 3: of yours into.
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  Speaker 1: In about fifteen Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: And now here's the stars of our show.
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  Speaker 1: My mom and dad.
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  Speaker 3: Today on the Happy Families Podcast, Kyli and I are
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  Speaker 3: going to be talking about kids and alcohol. Well, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about that, but we'll also be talking
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  Speaker 3: about kids and.
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  Speaker 1: Non alcoholic alcoholic drinks.
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  Speaker 3: That is, the drinks that look like, taste like, smell like,
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  Speaker 3: and feel like alcohol, but aren't alcohol. I'm speaking about
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  Speaker 3: the mixes and the mocktails that you can buy now,
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  Speaker 3: and the beers, the zero percent beers that are out there.
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  Speaker 3: That's the conversation we're having today now at the outset,
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  Speaker 3: I should highlight we are non drinkers.
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  Speaker 1: Neither Kyline I drink.
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  Speaker 3: Alcohol at all. But Kylie I had this. I was
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  Speaker 3: in the airport lounge recently. I catch a lot of aeroplanes,
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  Speaker 3: so I get to sit in the lounges, and for
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  Speaker 3: those of you who haven't been in the lounge, once
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  Speaker 3: you go in there, they've got a bar and drinks
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  Speaker 3: are on tap. You can literally go in and preload
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  Speaker 3: before your flight. If you're a drinker. There's wine, there's beer,
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  Speaker 3: there's all. When I go in there, I normally just
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  Speaker 3: get some soda water because that's about as heavy as
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  Speaker 3: I go.
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  Speaker 1: Every now and again.
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  Speaker 3: I'll live on the edge, and by not by sorry received,
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  Speaker 3: because they're free a lemon limon bitters. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: really getting out there. But just recently, when I asked
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  Speaker 3: what drinks they had available, they mentioned that there was
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  Speaker 3: a cider and I said, oh, I wouldn't mind an
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  Speaker 3: apple sider.
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  Speaker 1: Hang, I'm sick. Does that have alcohol in it?
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  Speaker 3: And they said, oh, yeah, it's an alcoholic sider And
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  Speaker 3: I said, ah, no, I don't drink alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Water will be fine.
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  Speaker 3: And they said, well, we've got a zero point zero
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  Speaker 3: percent Peroni. I don't never know what Peroni was, but
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  Speaker 3: I said, so you're saying that it's a non alcoholic
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  Speaker 3: alcoholic drink, but it's a zero percent So Peroni is
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  Speaker 3: a kind of beer. And I said, yeah, zero percent
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, I've never had it, I've never tried beer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give it a go. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: have it a zero percent crack at this thing. And
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  Speaker 3: as somebody who was getting close to fifty and does
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  Speaker 3: not and has not consumed this sort of stuff before,
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  Speaker 3: I put it to my lips. I smelled it and thought,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the smell of this, but I'll give
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  Speaker 3: it a crack. I had a sip and I thought,
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  Speaker 3: that is possibly the grossest drink I've ever had in
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  Speaker 3: my life.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry to the people who make paroni, but I just
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  Speaker 1: I hated it. It was gross.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, but everybody loves beer. Everyone makes in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: such a big deal about beer. I'm going to give
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  Speaker 3: it another go. Like, the second sip can't possibly be
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  Speaker 3: as bad as the first sip. People say that you
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  Speaker 3: have to what's the word, you've become accustomed to a drink.
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  Speaker 1: You have to acquire the taste, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought, maybe I just need a second
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  Speaker 3: sip so I can acquire the taste. How did that?
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  Speaker 1: I was so cross?
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  Speaker 3: So I left pretty much a full bottle of zero
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  Speaker 3: points zero percent Peroni on the table.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't ring it. It was just just awful.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this actually comes off the back of an article
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  Speaker 2: on the ABC website by Kelly Scott, and she poses
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  Speaker 2: the question about whether or not giving our curious teens
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  Speaker 2: non alcoholic drinks is problematic. Yeah, so I'm posing the question,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Coulson, is it a problem for us to give
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  Speaker 2: our kids non alcoholic drinks?
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me pose the problem back to you in
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  Speaker 3: the form of a real life incident or scenario. So
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  Speaker 3: we've got we've got six kids. Imagine our thirteen year
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  Speaker 3: old daughter. She calls in it Coles or woolli is.
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  Speaker 3: And while she's there buying some groceries for us because
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  Speaker 3: we're too lazy to go to the shops ourselves or
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  Speaker 3: something like that, I don't know, she sees on the
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  Speaker 3: shelf on special a six pack of Peroni zero percent beer.
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  Speaker 3: You can buy it for like fourteen or fifteen bucks
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  Speaker 3: or something. I've looked it up on Google just now.
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  Speaker 2: And you must have your credit huh okay, And she.
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  Speaker 3: Says, you know what, it's zero percent alcohol. Mom and
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  Speaker 3: dad will never know. I'm going to buy the six
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  Speaker 3: pack and give it a go. How would you feel
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  Speaker 3: about that? Like, would you be okay with our thirteen
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  Speaker 3: year old trying zero percent beer on her way out
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  Speaker 3: of coals? And that's probably a pretty bad look. But
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  Speaker 3: just for the sake of the argument, how would you
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  Speaker 3: feel about it? Or even if she was sitting at
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  Speaker 3: our table, would you be comfortable sitting down and saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we want you to see what beer tastes like, kiddo,
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  Speaker 3: here's a zero percent beer, there's no alcohol in it.
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  Speaker 1: Have to go? What do you reckon?
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  Speaker 2: So, because of the life style choices that we make,
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  Speaker 2: I think i'd probably be really uncomfortable with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she's done it behind my back if she was
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  Speaker 2: to go and buy it by herself.
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  Speaker 3: And yet I would feel so uncomfortable with her sitting
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  Speaker 3: at my dining table as a thirteen year old drinking
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  Speaker 3: what is supposed.
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  Speaker 1: To be a beer like that. That's going to be provocative, right, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Confronting, Yes, very much so. But again I'm questioning why
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  Speaker 2: she's doing it. Is she doing it to push my buttons?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Or is she doing it because we've had a conversation
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  Speaker 2: about and she's curious, Like there's so many scenarios that
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  Speaker 2: this could play out. But I think that for the
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  Speaker 2: most part, because of the choice that we may, it
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  Speaker 2: would be confronting either way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's because we are non drinkers, and we've
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  Speaker 3: discouraged our children from drinking as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think in spite of all of that,
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  Speaker 2: my initial response is, my thirteen year old is going
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  Speaker 2: to open that bottle up and she's going to take
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  Speaker 2: a whiff, and that's going to kill ahead in she's
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  Speaker 2: going to be like me, but she's literally going to
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  Speaker 2: be like you. I remember when my nan she asked
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  Speaker 2: if I wanted a hot chocolate one morning, and I
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  Speaker 2: said yep, And she brought to the table a cup
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  Speaker 2: of coffee, right, And I said, Nan, I think this
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  Speaker 2: is coffee. I mean they're totally different colors, and we
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  Speaker 2: don't done it coffee either, and she said, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: She got really really upset at me. Well, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize until a little bit later that she was there
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  Speaker 2: was the beginning stages of dementia.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you don't think she was trying to trick
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  Speaker 3: you into drinking. She brought to you and said hot chocolate,
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  Speaker 3: but she'd forgotten how to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I took one sip of this stuff and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, there is I cannot drink this.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And the coffee drinkers who listen to our podcast
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  Speaker 3: right now, which is pretty much ninety nine point nine
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  Speaker 3: percent of our audiers, is going, what is the matter
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  Speaker 3: with you people?
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  Speaker 1: You don't drink alcohol, you have six children, and you
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  Speaker 1: don't drink coffee.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even stand the smell.
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  Speaker 1: Like I avoid the isle in the supermarket. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like the smell either.
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  Speaker 2: I have friends who obviously non drinkers alcohol or coffee,
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  Speaker 2: and they love the smell of a coffee bean. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I just can't stand the smell of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like when you go to the perfume bar and
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  Speaker 3: you've got to with the coffee in between it, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm going to get high
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  Speaker 3: on the perfume instead, Like seriously, I can't do it.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, just thinking about I guess the logistics
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  Speaker 2: of our home. I'm not going to be too stressed
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  Speaker 2: out about my kids trying any of these things because
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  Speaker 2: it does require an acquiet taste and if they don't.
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  Speaker 3: Have a So you're saying trying these zero percent things
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  Speaker 3: and just seeing what it tastes like yeah, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking this through, and I think there are two
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  Speaker 3: sides to this. So if you're in a family where
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  Speaker 3: alcohol is not the norm, where you drink very rarely
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  Speaker 3: or not at all, this probably sits pretty well like
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  Speaker 3: this what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: That feels right to me. But I'm thinking in.
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  Speaker 3: Spite of that, there's a lot of kids who really
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  Speaker 3: they feel like they need to drink this stuff because
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  Speaker 3: they look cool. They it's like the forbidden fruit. So
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  Speaker 3: whether it's cigarettes or vapes or whether it's alcohol, there's
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  Speaker 3: a certain status that goes along with being seen to
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  Speaker 3: be drinking this, and kids want to be grown up.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of think though, with that whole grown up thing,
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  Speaker 3: like when we bring out the Patrity, which is a
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  Speaker 3: non alcoholic grape juice that's been carbonated, or if we
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  Speaker 3: bring out the apple Tizer, or maybe we go to
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  Speaker 3: a restaurant we decide we're going to splurge, which happens
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  Speaker 3: like twice a year, and I'll order a mocktail. The
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  Speaker 3: kids go crazy, They're like, I want the mocktail too.
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  Speaker 3: I want the mocktail too. But I don't think they're
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  Speaker 3: doing it because they want the alcohol. I think they're
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  Speaker 3: doing it because they just really like the taste of
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  Speaker 3: these drinks, like they're actually pretty sweet, they're pretty nice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was about to say, those drinks are really
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  Speaker 2: different to what you're talking about with you zero two
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  Speaker 2: percent stuff like that, because they it's literally the taste
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  Speaker 2: of a beer without the alcoholic content. It's the taste
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  Speaker 2: of a non alcoholic wine, Like it literally tastes like wine.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas you know your apple tie.
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  Speaker 1: Or you're ye. They're not actually meant to be alcohol substitutes.
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  Speaker 2: It's their fancy drinks for people who don't drink.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So moving back to it, the initial response, at
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  Speaker 3: least in a family like ours, is not going to
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  Speaker 3: be an initiate because the kid's going to taste it
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  Speaker 3: and it won't feel like forbidden fruit. It's just going
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  Speaker 3: to feel like it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and they've got the modeling in the home that
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  Speaker 2: we don't drink. You know this concept that for kids,
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  Speaker 2: they feel like drinking or smoking cigarettes or doing drugs
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  Speaker 2: or whatever is a gateway to adulthood. It's a gateway
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  Speaker 2: to independence.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, we're adults, though we're modeling that not a
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  Speaker 3: need alcohol or Yeah. So the Alcohol and Drug Foundation
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  Speaker 3: are concerned that kids are going to be conditioned to
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  Speaker 3: drink real alcohol beverages in the long term, and they're
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  Speaker 3: arguing that it could be a gateway to alcoholic consumption
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  Speaker 3: as the kids get older and then then start to
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  Speaker 3: get access to the real deal. I want to talk
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  Speaker 3: about the flip side to our situation for families where
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  Speaker 3: alcohol is part of daily life and whether or not
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  Speaker 3: it's a good or a bad thing in that context.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about this a little bit deeper, obviously
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  Speaker 2: coming from a non alcoholic background.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, a non alcohol consumption background. Let's just let's
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  Speaker 3: just clarify just because your drink doesn't mean that Kylie
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  Speaker 3: suddenly called you an alcoholic. I'm just wanting to be
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  Speaker 3: really clear about that. I know that's not what you mean.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone knows that everyone loves you.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm thinking about our kids, who you know, are
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  Speaker 2: watching their families drink on for social accase, whether it's.
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  Speaker 1: A barbequ or a wine at dinner or whatever it
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  Speaker 1: might be out at the restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: And they're now taking of a non alcoholic beer yes
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  Speaker 2: with the family.
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  Speaker 1: Because dad's drinking his over there. My mum's drinking hers over.
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  Speaker 2: There, and we've acquired the taste for it and we
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it. Yes, and now we're at a party and
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  Speaker 2: there's not so much supervision available. We know what it
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  Speaker 2: tastes like, but we've never experienced.
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  Speaker 1: The effects the effects.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so at home, I could down six
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  Speaker 2: of those because it has no effects.
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  Speaker 1: But you probably wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: At home, if it's zero percent, you probably wouldn't drink
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  Speaker 3: six of them, especially if you're a kid.
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  Speaker 1: You're just not going to. But at the party you
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  Speaker 1: might try one or two.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and even if you stood your ground, for instance, sa, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I just want the non alcoholic one. How do you
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  Speaker 2: actually know, because the alcohol content's not going to change
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  Speaker 2: the flavor that much.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you wouldn't expect that it would at all. I'm
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  Speaker 3: even thinking. It doesn't have to be a party. It
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  Speaker 3: could be a family barbecue. And if you've got a
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  Speaker 3: particularly curious teenager, you don't know what's the neck glass,
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  Speaker 3: or you don't know that they finished their zero percent
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  Speaker 3: bottle and some of yours into in about fifteen Okay,
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  Speaker 3: fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, But you're right.
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  Speaker 3: They've become familiar with the taste, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: where the that's where the Alcohol and Drug Foundation are
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  Speaker 3: raising their concerns. They're saying, you get used to the taste,
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  Speaker 3: and that means that when you're getting access to alcohol itself,
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  Speaker 3: the taste isn't offensive to you. You have acquired that taste,
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  Speaker 3: you're familiar with it, and you want the status that
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  Speaker 3: goes along with it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it sends the wrong messages about alcohol.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm really honest about it, I don't reckon it's
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  Speaker 3: a good idea that kids should be drinking it at all,
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  Speaker 3: full stop and a story, because what it sends a
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  Speaker 3: message to our kids is you're not old enough to
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  Speaker 3: drink alcohol, but we're going to let you pretend that
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  Speaker 3: you're an adult. We're going to give you access to
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  Speaker 3: something that looks like it. It just doesn't feel quite
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  Speaker 3: like it yet. But they get to sit there at
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  Speaker 3: the table as a ten year old, twelve year old,
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  Speaker 3: fourteen year old and they get to hold a bottle
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  Speaker 3: that looks like it's beer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, didn't you used to do this when you
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  Speaker 1: were a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, Pretend that you had I don't know, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: stick in your hand, or pretend that you were smoking.
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  Speaker 2: Or it reminds me of those little boxes of fags
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  Speaker 2: that used to buy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're not allowed to call them that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they were when that's what they were called them.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember what the new name for them is,
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  Speaker 3: but yes, the little pretend cigarette things, the candy cigarettes,
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  Speaker 3: and you would actually pretend.
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  Speaker 1: To be spoken.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a really good primer, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: So if you've got a fourteen year old sitting at
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  Speaker 3: the table holding that glass bottle with that amber colored
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  Speaker 3: fluid in it, they get all of the sense of status,
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  Speaker 3: they get all that sense of look at me, I'm
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  Speaker 3: an adult and it won't be long now until I
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  Speaker 3: can actually hold the real thing. So I have some
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  Speaker 3: really big concerns about it. My initial response as we
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  Speaker 3: began talking was very much, oh, yeah, the kid's gonna
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  Speaker 3: hate it. But as I think about it more, and
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  Speaker 3: particularly in families where alcohol is the norm, my very
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  Speaker 3: real concern is that this could go in a dangerous direction.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the alcohol and drug Foundation a right.
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  Speaker 3: This could be a gateway entry point to alcohol consumption.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I know what your answer is on this,
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  Speaker 2: But if it's not a substitute, a non alcoholic substitute.
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  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on parents kind of just letting
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  Speaker 2: their kids have a sip.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what my answer is, and it's no.
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  Speaker 3: There's this thing called the Mediterranean effect, and a whole
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  Speaker 3: bunch of people will argue that it's perfectly safe and
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  Speaker 3: reasonable because over the Mediterranean nations they do this, apparently
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  Speaker 3: to let your kids sip alcohol and have access to it,
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  Speaker 3: and just let them be exposed to it and consume
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  Speaker 3: it in small quantities when they're young, so that as
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  Speaker 3: they move into adulthood they won't be problematic drinkers. The
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  Speaker 3: research evidence doesn't support that it doesn't actually exist.
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  Speaker 1: The effect isn't there. People in European nations, particularly those
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  Speaker 1: around the Mediterranean, still have high levels or as high
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  Speaker 1: as US levels of alcoholism and other problems.
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  Speaker 3: And more than that, we've got good evidence not just
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  Speaker 3: from here in Australia, although this is where some of
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  Speaker 3: the best evidence is, but we've got good, good evidence
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  Speaker 3: from around the world that when we let our kids
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  Speaker 3: sip real alcohol, we give them I guess you call
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  Speaker 3: it a parental endorsement of consumption, which means that when
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  Speaker 3: they're with their friends, they're like, oh, yeah, my mom
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  Speaker 3: and dad let me do it all the time. And
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  Speaker 3: it's associated with increased levels of binge drinking and also
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  Speaker 3: higher levels of alcohol consumption with kids in their teen years.
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  Speaker 3: More than that, though, once they start getting into the grog,
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  Speaker 3: we know that they're much more at risk of social problems,
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  Speaker 3: psychological challenges, physical injury, and the list goes on, like
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  Speaker 3: it's a really dangerous game to play.
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  Speaker 1: I had.
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  Speaker 3: I had a mom come up to me just the
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  Speaker 3: other day when I was traveling and I was inter
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  Speaker 3: state at a school, and she said, Ah, my sixteen
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  Speaker 3: year old just came to me and said it on
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  Speaker 3: Friday night, there's a party and it's BYO and the
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  Speaker 3: parents aren't going to be there, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm going to do. And I looked at her
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  Speaker 3: and I said, I want to be really nice about this,
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  Speaker 3: but can I tell you what I think might be
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  Speaker 3: a good solution. And she's like, oh, that's why I'm
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  Speaker 3: asking you. And I said, don't let it go. Just
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  Speaker 3: don't she has to go. Don't let it be yo,
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  Speaker 3: Like she's not taking any alcohol, she's sixteen, and pick
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: her up before anyone gets in strife. Picked he up
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  Speaker 3: at nine nine point thirty ten o'clock at the latest,
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  Speaker 3: before anybody's so plastered that the risk of injury, risk
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: of harm, risk of danger increases that much like if
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  Speaker 3: she just has to be at the party, work out
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: a way that she can do it safely and get
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  Speaker 3: home early. Better yet, host your own little party at
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: your house where it's not BYO, but treat the kids
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  Speaker 3: to all kinds of great stuff that they can't get
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  Speaker 3: at the party. And I think that's the approach we
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: need to take. There's no evidence, no evidence at all
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  Speaker 3: that it's a good idea for Eckens to be getting
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: into the alcohol, and we need to be the parents
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  Speaker 3: and say no.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I thought you were going to shock me with something,
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  Speaker 2: but you didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Good research, evidence and an encouragement to be a great
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: parent who's involved in their kids' lives. How good is
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: it though, that she said, Mum, I want to go
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to the party and here's the situation. I think that
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: that's a really big plus and hopefully their relationship will
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: survive mum saying no. The Happy Family's podcast is produced
• 15:58
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  Speaker 3: For more about this, see the show notes. I've linked
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  Speaker 3: to both the ABC article as well as some research
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  Speaker 3: from the University of New South Wales highlighting why the
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Mediterranean effect is a furfey and what we can do
• 16:14
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• 16:17
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• 16:20
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