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UN Women wants men to STFU | HBR Talk 365 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three sixty five. You
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  Speaker 1: and Women wants Men to STFU, And of course that's
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  Speaker 1: the university that feminists recommend to men's rights activists all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Right, Oh no, just go attend STFU. You'll
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  Speaker 1: be fine. I'm your host, Hannah Wallin here with nonsense
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  Speaker 1: annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson,
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  Speaker 1: and we have the Doze in charge, Brian Martinez, working
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  Speaker 1: in the background to make sure I don't fuck anything
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  Speaker 1: up tonight, well at least not with regard to the
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  Speaker 1: technical difficulties. Tonight, we're stepping away from the National Organization
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  Speaker 1: for Women to an international women's organization that is every
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  Speaker 1: bit as toxic. And I know a lot of people say, well,
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  Speaker 1: they don't actually have an association with the United Nations,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have any influence. They don't have Yes, they do.
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  Speaker 1: They have influence. They make recommendations, and they have the
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  Speaker 1: pull of guynescentrism. They have the pull of feminist Jewish
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  Speaker 1: jurisprudence in legislative actions and in feminist the history of
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  Speaker 1: feminist influence on law and policy in every country. That's
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  Speaker 1: part of the United Nations, and then on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: they have influence over journalists, so the you and women
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  Speaker 1: sort of gives out the marching orders, and journalists in
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  Speaker 1: multiple countries will then turn around and just without questioning
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  Speaker 1: what they've said, you know, report the same like they'll
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  Speaker 1: go along with whatever they've said and and make the
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  Speaker 1: same claims. They'll cite them as a source, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's an editorial like this, which this really is an editorial,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's not a stretch to say that large
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  Speaker 1: parts of it are made up whole cloth. But you'll
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  Speaker 1: see in the future because this was this was actually
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  Speaker 1: an article from May that I just happened to locate,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's a more another article on how to
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  Speaker 1: counter us. You'll see in other areas you'll see references
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  Speaker 1: to these articles or just to the UN Women Organization
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  Speaker 1: making these statements as if by citing the UN Women
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  Speaker 1: Organization as a as a as a reference for these statements,
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  Speaker 1: it provides credibility for claims based on these statements. So
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, basically how feminists have influenced This is
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  Speaker 1: true because we said so, and by the way, other
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  Speaker 1: people are going to say this is true because we
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  Speaker 1: said so. And when they say this is true because
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  Speaker 1: we said so, then we can cite their reference to
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  Speaker 1: us as evidence that this is true because they said
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  Speaker 1: it's true because we said so. That's that's that, that's
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  Speaker 1: their whole m o for for credibility, obtaining credibility. They
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  Speaker 1: don't actually have any any reality there. They don't actually
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  Speaker 1: have any credibility. There's not They didn't research this and
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  Speaker 1: and uh, and then turn around and say, well, here's
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  Speaker 1: our information, this is what we can prove. Right, And
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you you're going to notice that there are
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  Speaker 1: some names missing from from who or who are they
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Who are they referring to when they when
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  Speaker 1: they talk about the men's rights movement, You're going to
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  Speaker 1: notice if you know the men's rights movement and you
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  Speaker 1: are familiar with our history and the things that have
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  Speaker 1: been done by the men's rights movement, the advocacy that
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  Speaker 1: we've engaged in the you know, the people who have
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  Speaker 1: spoken to the media, you know the individuals who have
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  Speaker 1: publications that they've they have maintained for years and years,
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  Speaker 1: and then you see who they talk about. Uh, It's
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be kind of shocking to you in
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  Speaker 1: some ways, like why are they why are they referring
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  Speaker 1: to these people and not the actual men's rights movement.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get into the reason why they might do
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  Speaker 1: that here shortly, but uh, in the meantime, let's uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's get started with this article here. So before I
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  Speaker 1: actually say anything about the article, I just have to
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  Speaker 1: I have to bitch about this, okay, because I've been
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  Speaker 1: in publishing before. I worked for, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of different publications, mostly actmically, but I worked for a
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  Speaker 1: public newspaper, and every so often we had artwork instead
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  Speaker 1: of like photographs are considered art as well, but it's
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  Speaker 1: a different type, right. We have people's drawings, We had
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  Speaker 1: line drawings, we had other types of computer generated drawings
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. A lot of clip art was used.
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  Speaker 1: We used advertising art. So I kind of know that
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  Speaker 1: whoever published this, I mean, we have better stuff in
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  Speaker 1: articles on the Honey Badger Brigade blog, right, access to
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  Speaker 1: better shit than this. Like, I'm just this is the
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  Speaker 1: laziest thing I have seen, one of the laziest things
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  Speaker 1: I've seen in regard to the artwork that feminists put
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  Speaker 1: on their articles on their websites and everything. They do
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  Speaker 1: this all the time too. It's just it drives me
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  Speaker 1: nuts because you know, you're trying to attract a reader,
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  Speaker 1: and you're trying to attract a certain type of reader
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  Speaker 1: to your publication. And if you want, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: certain level of intellect, you at least want to have
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  Speaker 1: decent artwork. And this is the kind of thing that is.
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  Speaker 1: It looks clever the first time it's done, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's supposed to mimic cutting out shapes and creating
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  Speaker 1: images of people and things from those shapes, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: foam shapes and uh, paper shapes like construction paper shape
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  Speaker 1: shapes and stuff like that. But this is absolute shit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And and it's I think it's designed to
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  Speaker 1: attract a dumber class of reader, which is why it
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  Speaker 1: took me a couple of months to even see this article.
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  Speaker 1: It just didn't come across my feed, or if it did,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice it. But in any case, there are
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  Speaker 1: no lines.
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  Speaker 2: In case anyone's wondering what it is with this corporate
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  Speaker 2: style of cartoons, it's that there's no lines. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how much do I have to spoon feed it to
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  Speaker 2: your lines? Equal borders?
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  Speaker 1: Yep?
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  Speaker 3: I hope, I hope. I'm not going to candas owners there.
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  Speaker 2: Into the into the deep conspiracy theory dive.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, did we lose your mic?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's that there's no lines.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that's a major thing with feminists,
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  Speaker 1: Like they will talk about things like bodily autonomy, right,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll talk about things like freedom of choice. But
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  Speaker 1: then if you establish boundaries at your end, if you
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  Speaker 1: suggest that boundaries should exist for for for men, right,
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  Speaker 1: or for a division between women and taxpayers where women
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  Speaker 1: don't just own the entire body of taxes that's created annually,
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  Speaker 1: that that's confiscated from citizens annually, that you know, then
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're selfish and mean and
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  Speaker 1: rotten and you hate women, right, Frosty Glass, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's it. Political cartoons are more subtle. This image
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  Speaker 1: was made for children, and that's yeah. This this was
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  Speaker 1: made to dictate a perspective. This is how you should
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  Speaker 1: see the men's men's rights movement. That's that's what this
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  Speaker 1: image tells h tells people when they see it. Oh
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  Speaker 1: and I forgot. We had a super chat last week
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  Speaker 1: that I have not read because it didn't come through
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  Speaker 1: till like half an hour after the show and I
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  Speaker 1: can't find it. I'll have to look at I'll have
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  Speaker 1: to look it up when I'm going through the super
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  Speaker 1: chowes later. But any case, so here's here's what they
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  Speaker 1: have to actually say. With more than five point five
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  Speaker 1: billion people online, so much for dead internet theory. As
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  Speaker 1: many and nearly as many on social media, digital spaces
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  Speaker 1: have become central to how we learn and connect. But
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  Speaker 1: alongside its boundaries or its benefits, the Internet is also
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  Speaker 1: being used to spread hate, abuse, and misogyny one growing corner.
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  Speaker 1: Notice they provided a characterization for you there, right. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't give you the opportunity to make your own decision
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  Speaker 1: about what you think in regard to who the men's
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  Speaker 1: rights movement is, and what characterization you might make of
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  Speaker 1: our advocacy, the things that we have said in regard
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  Speaker 1: to law and policy discriminating against men in regard to
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  Speaker 1: father's rights, any of that. Nope, not a word. Just
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  Speaker 1: the Internet is also being used to spread hate, abuse,
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  Speaker 1: and misogyny. That's called poisoning the well. Now everything else
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  Speaker 1: that comes out of that well is going to be
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  Speaker 1: tainted with that. Here's the perspective you're supposed to have
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  Speaker 1: when you read this article. One growing corner of the
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  Speaker 1: digital world is the quote manosphere end quote, a loose
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  Speaker 1: network of communities that claim to address claim claim to
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  Speaker 1: address men's struggles, dating, fitness, or fatherhood, for example, but
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  Speaker 1: often promote harmful advice and attitudes. So they gave a definition. Right,
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  Speaker 1: if you give a definition of feminism other than the
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  Speaker 1: dictionary definition, they point to the dictionary definition and have
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  Speaker 1: a hissy fit. How dare you talk about what feminism does?
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  Speaker 1: Here's a dictionary definition. We don't accept what you said
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  Speaker 1: because it doesn't match the dictionary definition. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter if feminists actually tried to make it
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  Speaker 1: legal for women and molest children, which in some countries
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  Speaker 1: that's not too far from the truth, right, because there
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  Speaker 1: have been feminists in some countries that have opposed directly
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  Speaker 1: opposed laws labeling it rape when a woman forces herself
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  Speaker 1: on an unwilling male victim, And so if it can't
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  Speaker 1: be that particular crime it is, it is kind of hinky,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Feminists object to that, right, and in some
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  Speaker 1: instances that has meant that there is no law penalizing
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  Speaker 1: any type of predatory sexual violence against a male victim
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  Speaker 1: perpetrated by a female perpetrator, whether the victim is over
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  Speaker 1: or underage. But in other instances it just means that
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  Speaker 1: when a woman does it, she gets charged with something
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  Speaker 1: less instead of the the greater crime of rape. So
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  Speaker 1: there are instances where we could say, you know, well,
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  Speaker 1: feminists feminists. Feminism is a loose network of communities that
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  Speaker 1: advocates for discrimination against men in law and policy and
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  Speaker 1: also supports female predators, and we wouldn't be too far
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  Speaker 1: off describing it that way, right. But if we do
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  Speaker 1: do that, if we write about them like that, they
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  Speaker 1: point to a dictionary definition. Well they can't do that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they can't say that that's not the dictionary definition. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are we get defined by you and
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  Speaker 1: women without any description of what we do, who we
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  Speaker 1: talk to, how we talk to them, what law and
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  Speaker 1: policy we've advocated for. They didn't make any reference here
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  Speaker 1: to say any of the successes that the National Coalition
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  Speaker 1: for Men has had in litigation and also in legislative lobbying.
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  Speaker 1: None of that, None of the father's rights groups that
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  Speaker 1: have gotten equally shared parenting laws as in the United
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  Speaker 1: States doesn't exist. Right, it's all just communities that claim
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  Speaker 1: to address men's struggles but often promote harmful advice and attitudes.
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  Speaker 1: As a United Nations Secretary Generals report on violence against
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  Speaker 1: women and girls highlights, So now they're associating it with
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  Speaker 1: violence against women and girls. Right. These groups are united
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  Speaker 1: by an opposition to feminism and misrepresent men as victims
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  Speaker 1: of the current social and political climate. When you think
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  Speaker 1: about that whole paragraph, all right, this is an entire
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  Speaker 1: paragraph of poisoning the well gish gallop. So we've been
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  Speaker 1: classified just in this one paragraph. We've been classified basically
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  Speaker 1: as liars, as bad advisors, and as as do nothing,
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  Speaker 1: because all we do is provide advice according to this.
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  Speaker 1: And then also they're classifying men's experiences as not the same,
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  Speaker 1: not not of the same nature when men experience the
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  Speaker 1: same things that women do, as as women's experiences are
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  Speaker 1: when women experience it. Right, So, where men are abused
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  Speaker 1: like bye by their partners, feminists don't want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about that. Unless you know it's in the context of
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  Speaker 1: a gay relationship, then they want to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: But they don't want to talk about it when it's
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  Speaker 1: a straight marriage and the woman is doing things like
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  Speaker 1: pouring boiling water on her husband while she while he
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  Speaker 1: is sleeping, right, or you know, when the woman attempts
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  Speaker 1: to stab him with an knife, breaks her wrist trying
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  Speaker 1: to get through the arm that he put up to
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  Speaker 1: defend himself, and then tells the police he beat her
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  Speaker 1: and gets him locked up overnight because the injury looks
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  Speaker 1: to the police like he hurt her, which did happen
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  Speaker 1: in California. No, they only want to talk about it's
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  Speaker 1: not valid that, you know, the idea that it's not
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  Speaker 1: valid that men are victims of the system that discriminates
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  Speaker 1: when a man is the victim of abuse. They want
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  Speaker 1: to say, men are not victims of a system that
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  Speaker 1: prevents them from raising their own children. They want to say,
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  Speaker 1: men are not victims of a system that allows women
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  Speaker 1: to rape them and then extort them for money through
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  Speaker 1: the child support system, because they're not. Don't get out
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  Speaker 1: of child support by not consenting to the conception or
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  Speaker 1: the action that conceived the child. Like not a word
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that a rapist shouldn't have custody of
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  Speaker 1: a child that is conceived by the rape, Like certainly, certainly,
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  Speaker 1: if a male perpetrator were to obtain custody of the
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  Speaker 1: child of a female victim of rape, feminists would be
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  Speaker 1: up in arms, marching in the street. How dare this happen? Right?
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  Speaker 1: But they're perfectly comfortable with women who rape boys, who
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  Speaker 1: are definitely pedophiles because they have raped boys, raising a child,
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  Speaker 1: and then also extorting an underage boy who cannot get
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  Speaker 1: a job because he is too young, like they're. The
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  Speaker 1: youngest that I've seen was eleven that there was a
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  Speaker 1: case where an eleven year old was told that his
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  Speaker 1: inability to legally have a job didn't get him out
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  Speaker 1: of being obligated to pay child support to his rapist.
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  Speaker 1: But and Carly Ellison, who is masquerading is Christmaszumo, you
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  Speaker 1: said the same things as Carl Elson too many times.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to point out that when two men
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  Speaker 1: both or two boys, or two men or a man
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  Speaker 1: and a boy have any kind of sexual conduct like that,
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  Speaker 1: there's not a child conceived from that, not not two
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  Speaker 1: men consensually, not two men non consensually, not anything involving boys. No,
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  Speaker 1: no child is conceived by that, right, It only happens
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  Speaker 1: when a woman is involved. And so every male victim
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  Speaker 1: of rape, who is forced to pay child support. The
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  Speaker 1: perpetrator was a woman, not a man. So you can
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  Speaker 1: quit with that shit going on. There's their characterization all
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  Speaker 1: of those issues. They've just declared them illegitimate by claiming
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  Speaker 1: it a misrepresentation, you know, calling it a misrepresentation to
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  Speaker 1: call men victims of the current social and political climate.
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  Speaker 1: This content is also gaining traction, and that, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: scares the shit out of them. According to the November Foundation,
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  Speaker 1: leading men's health organization, and You and Women Partner, two
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  Speaker 1: thirds of young men regularly engage with masculinity influencers. Online
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  Speaker 1: experts are finding that the popularity of extreme language in
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  Speaker 1: the manisphere not only normalizes violence against women and girls,
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  Speaker 1: but also have as growing links to radicalization of extremist ideologies.
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  Speaker 1: So that's not just a word salad. I know it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a word salad, But here's what they said,
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  Speaker 1: all right, They're scared because people are listening to what
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  Speaker 1: MRAs are saying about men and men's experiences, law and
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  Speaker 1: policy that is discriminatory, and social standards that are that
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  Speaker 1: disadvantage men and boys, and that are causing issues like
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  Speaker 1: low birth rates and stuff like that. Right, they're scared
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  Speaker 1: because we're talking about it and people are listening. They
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  Speaker 1: don't want to talk about us. Right, they've just admitted
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  Speaker 1: that the November Foundation has gone feminist. If You and
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  Speaker 1: Women is partnering with them, it's not because they that
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  Speaker 1: You and Women cares about men. It's because You and
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  Speaker 1: Women wants to control the narrative around men and men's issues,
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  Speaker 1: which is why they have this article. When the November
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  Speaker 1: Foundation initially uh began its thing, feminists made fun of them.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, When the November Foundation Adventure initially was created,
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  Speaker 1: their whole thing was raising money for treatment of testicular
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  Speaker 1: cancer and prostate cancer. Right, that was what they were doing,
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  Speaker 1: and feminists were offended. They were angry because they saw
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  Speaker 1: that as a means of taking away from their fundraising
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  Speaker 1: for breast cancer. And they're active as am on breast cancer,
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  Speaker 1: and they're use use of breast cancer as a female
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  Speaker 1: victimhood issue, right because attention was being d onto a
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  Speaker 1: male health condition instead. In their view, not in addition,
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  Speaker 1: but instead, they don't view men's health and women's health
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  Speaker 1: as connected and things that should simultaneously be addressed and
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  Speaker 1: equally important. They view them as a zero sum game.
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  Speaker 1: So if men, if men's health is protected, women's health
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  Speaker 1: must be ah, you know, losing out. And if women's
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  Speaker 1: health is to be protected, men's health must lose out'
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  Speaker 1: that's the way feminists view it. It's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, gaining new information and advancements in medicine through
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  Speaker 1: attempting to advance women's health often benefits men because many
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  Speaker 1: of the things we find out, unless you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: specific genital specific things, you know, or female hormone specific things,
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  Speaker 1: most of the time there's benefit to both sexes. And
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  Speaker 1: any advancement in the fight against any type of cancer
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  Speaker 1: will have applications that can advance the fight against all
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  Speaker 1: different types of cancer. So approaching cancer from a variety
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  Speaker 1: of attack angles is not a bad thing either. Right,
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of organizations that get a shit ton
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  Speaker 1: of money claiming to do research on breast cancer that
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  Speaker 1: when you look into them, huge amounts of it are
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  Speaker 1: only going to administrators and very little of it is
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  Speaker 1: actually going to the research. And there's been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of calling out of these organizations. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of discussion about you know, this is happening, this is
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  Speaker 1: a problem, and all these women think that they're donating,
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  Speaker 1: and men think that they're donating money to these organizations
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  Speaker 1: and they're saving the tatas or you know, their pink
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  Speaker 1: ribbons are reminding other people and other people are donating
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  Speaker 1: and they're saving the tatas, when in reality they're just
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  Speaker 1: patting the CEO's wallet. But November, they really Feminists really
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  Speaker 1: didn't get interested in the November Foundation as a a
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  Speaker 1: thing they wanted to interact with besides making fun of it,
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  Speaker 1: until they started promoting November started promoting men's mental health,
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  Speaker 1: and feminists have worked really hard to control how men's
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  Speaker 1: mental health is addressed. They want that toxic masculinity narrative
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  Speaker 1: in your psychiatrist's repertoire of things that you know they're
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  Speaker 1: using to treat. So if you're depressed, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: because you have a chemical imbalance, and it's not because
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  Speaker 1: you've got these circumstances. You've lost your job, you're getting
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  Speaker 1: a divorce, someone you love died and you're going through
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  Speaker 1: the grieving process, or some other thing. You've gotten a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: bad diagnosis that you're reconciling with. None of that stuff
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: where they would approach it with women as all right,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: let's process this, Let's get through the stages in a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: healthy manner of coming to terms with us and deciding
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: what you're going to do in response to it. Nope,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's you're upset about this because of your toxic masculinity.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: You're upset about your divorce because you hate women and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you think your wife doesn't have any rights. Not not
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: because it hurts to be abandoned. Shame on you, mister.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Feel better now or you're a bad person. Right, That's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: essentially where therapy is going with men, and feminists have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: been the the influence the informers of that change, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: as a result, the the psychiatric community has not been
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: able to reduce the number of male suicides. In fact,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they have been going up. So when the November Foundation
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: started promoting men's mental health, feminists immediately jumped on their
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: band bandwagon and started telling them how they should do
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it and what what ideas they should adopt, and they
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: have pretty much become a feminist organization. So if you
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: you know, when when it comes time to support prostate
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: cancer research and stuff, my recommendation personally is look up
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: organizations that actually do the research and make sure that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you're double checking that the organization is spending its money
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on research and not just giving a bunch of money
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to the CEO. And you know, you can find out
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: various organizations. There are watchdogs that will tell you that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you can you can find out what percentage of donations
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: go to the cause of a charity versus the administrative
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: workers and other administrative costs like the cost of buildings
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And uh, you know, give give
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to those organizations that actually are doing something for men
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and not organizations that are working with you and women.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And again, you know, the same thing when it comes
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to men's mental health. There are men's organizations that are
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: working in the field of uh, male psychology. Two help
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: establish pathways for men to protect and preserve and heal
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: their mental health when they have any kind of painful
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: issue that they're dealing with. So, you know, I hate
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to say it, but if they're working with you and women,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the November Foundation is a lost cause. Fuck them like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: they this is me splitting black on the November Foundation.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: They get no more support from me. And then after
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: they've admitted that, right when they're talking about two thirds
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of young men regularly engaged with masculinity, influencers online. Right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the scariest thing in the world of feminists is masculinity. Scariest,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: absolute scariest. Okay, I shouldn't be watching the chat. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: have I have a question, christmasumo describe in the chat
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: exactly how a motorcyclist behaves. Okay, behave motorcyclist. What is
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the specific description of the behavior of a motorcyclist. Go
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: ahead and stereotype motorcyclists in the chat now, because I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: happened to know one who actually started. I knew one
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: who started the first hospital in the United States for
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: children under the age of six who were severely or
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: profoundly handicapped. That was she wrote a Harley. But in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: any case, yeah, so two thirds of young men are
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: learning about masculinity from men instead of women. Out there,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, men are teaching boys how to be men.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Women most affected. They really are scared of that, like
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they're terrified. And I'll tell you why, Okay, because a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: lot of these men are teaching boys how to identify, establish, communicate,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and enforce their own boundaries. You cannot walk all over me.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I will not allow you. Nothing scares women more than
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: actually a family started that hospital. But the woman was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the lead in the actions that took place. It was
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a boy's idea, but in any case, going on, Yeah,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: nothing scares women more than running up against other people's boundaries. Nothing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And they're losing control of the narrative. You know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: you can't just make me so fucking you know, it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: it's it's believe all women, and you know what, it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: such crap. You know, let let's let men be men,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Let boys learn how to be men, and you know, uh,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: how to navigate around these these women, these toxic fucking females.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Well I can't have that. Yeah, imagine these boys when
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they grow up to be men. Like, feminists were really
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: mad about this last election. We saw tantrum after tantrum online.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And I think the funniest thing for me to come
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: out of this election was how many women took the stupidest,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: stupidest moment of their life where they sat in their
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: car and had a screaming temper tantrum because they didn't
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they didn't get the result they wanted in an election
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of for an office that's only going to be in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: place for you know, the individual's only gonna be there
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: for four years, and he can't get another term because
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: he's already had one day. So they have another chance
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: in the next election, and their best chance is to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: present their ideas and explain to people why their ideas
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: are the best ideas and be tough about it. If
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: their ideas are the best ideas, and if their ideas
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: are the best ideas, they will have good explanations for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: them and they will have better luck getting people to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: accept those explanations than people with bad ideas. That's people
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: listen when you can explain you know how they are
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: going to benefit from something versus how something is going
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to harm them. But in any case, you know, instead
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the main character syndromed in front of everybody. They put
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: their most childish, whiny, irrational, shrewish, screaming responses to other people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Also having the right to vote on the internet for
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: everybody to see the Melo drama on the internet for
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: everybody to see.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Which for me is great because I love to see
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: these people get all pissy and and whiny cry.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I point and laughed. Yeah it is. It is funny
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: on one hand, but on the other hand, it's it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like putting your mental illness out there for other people
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to make fun of display. It's you know, I had
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: sort of a medical equivalent of roid rage for several
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: years when I was young. They had me on six
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: different medications that had steroids in them at the same
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: time because my asthma was so bad and my allergies,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and it was it was, honestly, you know how you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: feel when maybe you have a physical ailment and at
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the same time, a bunch of shit has gone wrong lately,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe PMS hits or something like whatever,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you didn't get enough sleep last night, like you're trying
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to quit caffeine or smoking or something, and you're having
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: cravings and just like your last nerve already has pressure
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: on it, and all it takes is the wrong person
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to look the wrong way, and you are in the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: mood to just be an absolute not just at Karen,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: but an uber Karen to everybody around you and just
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: just go off on the nearest you know whatever. Like
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I spent fifteen years feeling that way most of the time. Jeez. Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So I went and got help for it because I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: didn't want other people to experience me acting on that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: out of control that I knew that that would hurt
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: other people. And I also knew that it would destroy
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: my relationships with the people I loved and wanted relationships with.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So I didn't want people to see me as that person.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to be that person, right, I didn't
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: want to be the person that reacted and acted like that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And so it is, it isn't just alien to me
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: when these women do this, like screaming, temper tantrum bullshit.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: You know, it's horrifying. It's like watching somebody lose their
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: their cognitive abilities. It's like watching someone you love go
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: through Alzheimer's, even though that's a stranger online that I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's watching somebody have a mental breakdown, in
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: my opinion, and it's a horrifying thing to see happen
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to somebody that they like watching somebody turn into a zombie. Yeah,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you know so, And it's kind of the way I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: think of them, and like, I'll poke fun when people
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: act like that, but when I do it, it's because
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I want it to be a phenomenon that becomes embarrassing
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: for people to do enough that they will think twice
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: before they do it, because like that's forever. A lot
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of these women have been memed they twenty years from
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: now might still be remembered for that when they're trying
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to go from you know, for promotions at work, or
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: they're trying to be taken seriously as part of a community,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: long standing community where they you know, established themselves for
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: years and years, and somebody may run across that was
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: this you as a teenager and they'll be like, yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like I can. I can tell you right now,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: nearly every scrap of poetry that I wrote when I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: was a teenager has been burned. There are no copies,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: There is no memory of those things because it was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: melodramatic bullshit because I was a teenage girl on steroids.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible thing to do to a teenager on
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: steroids and you know, dealing with like we didn't even
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: know that was a side effect for medications. So I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: was every bit as melodramatic as these women. I am
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: so glad that TikTok didn't exist. Yeah, right, because I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want anybody to see that shit.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I'm of the half generation just behind you, and I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: bought my first camcorder at the age of fourteen as
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: a as a combined birthday and Christmas present. And I
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: paid for half of it myself over wealth I had
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: accumulated from other Christmas presents and so on and other. Yeah,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: like that, that's how determined I was to do what
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I now currently do for a living. Like I'm of
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the I'm on the cusp of the millennial generation where
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: it went beyond poetry. We could actually have our own
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: video cameras. Little did we know that fucking seven years later,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: anyone with a.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Computer could could do that shit. Yeah, I even had
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: a four track.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I even tried to record music on a four track
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that only works with tapes with us US early millennials,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I believe zenials were called. If we're on the cusp
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of Gen X. We existed in this world where we
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: had mechanical devices for all this shit, and then a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: couple of years later everything was on a computer, everything.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And everybody could see it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, there are many video clips of me trying to
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: do funny skits with my concorder at the age of fourteen.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I think they still exist on some dusty eight millimeter
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: videotapes somewhere. And yeah, like I echo Hannah's statement, I'm
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: so glad that I got that shit out of my
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: system when I could do it on a private device.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Remember private devices, man, Yeah, the zoomers and the gen
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Alphas who have had every embarrassing moment they've ever experienced
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: recorded and john for the entire world to see before
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: they could even handle a camcorder.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: What's the camcorder, Mike, It doesn't matter. It's nineties kids stuff.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but we had before cell phones, when you
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to make a video, you had to have a camcorder.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: It recorded to analog up until oh, I want to say,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it really wasn't digital videography really wasn't that great until
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: after after the twenty or early twenty tens. Like digital
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: photography was pretty good in the late two thousands, the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: late arts, but you know, videography is a more complex prospect.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it all, it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: All kind of gravitationally exploded into itself at the turn.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Of the millennium.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And then when yeap from nobody needed a mechanical device
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: because everybody had had a digital device, and it's been.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Exploding ever since then.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: And it's yeah, I reiterate my point that I I
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: could barely understand what it's like to be a zoomer
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: or an Alpha to have had every embarrassing moment you've
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: ever experienced be recorded by some member of member of
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: your family with the with with the camcorder they have
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: in their back pocket. There's the size of four fucking
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: tea bags. And and yeah, the moment you start trying
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: to say edgy shit on the internet, that edgy shit
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: will be remembered forever.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: That's an awful feeling.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Like and and I do understan it because I'm one
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: of those millennials that was on the cusp of recording
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: himself doing re toded shit.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yep. But the worst part with the feminists is some
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: of these women that engaged in that kind of hyperbolic,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: absolute nutbag behavior online and recorded it. They set up
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a camera, then had their tantrums and in front of
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the camera, and then edit the video, edited the video
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: by adding music and sometimes even captions, and put it
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: on the internet for other people to see. Look at
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: me doing this. This is this is what you get for,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: you know, me, me not liking the candidate that you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: voted into office. Some of them were my age. Some
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: of them were not just old enough to know better,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: but they were old enough for the kids that they
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: should have taught better to be adults with kids of
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: their own, that they should be teaching better. And you
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: know that's that's women all over the country, that's women
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: all over the world. Right, It's just amazing to me
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and horrifying. And the spectacle of it is one thing,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: But the implications that these women don't realize that they
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: are clowning in front of the world, not influencing anybody
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: who doesn't already agree with them, that that horrifies me. Like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that's you think women are adults, right, that that can
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: learn the tools that they need for success, they can
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: develop those tools, and then they do shit like that,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And it's like, how how many women are that handicapped
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: emotionally that they can't understand this doesn't influence people in
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the way that they are hoping. But yeah, definitely, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: scares them that young men are influencing being influenced by
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: older men who demonstrate here's what a boundary is. Here's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: how to establish your boundaries. Here's how to communicate your
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: boundaries to women. And when women don't have their own boundaries,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: when women don't have their own wisdom and intelligence, here's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: how to manage them. When women are adult children instead
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of grown women that can manage themselves. If you want
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to have a relationship with her anyway, here's how to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: manage her. That scares the fuck out of them. It
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't scare them that women are adult children. You know many,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: many women who don't know how to manage themselves. It
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: only scares them that those women don't have a means
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of taking advantage of boys and men. And then the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: last bit of this paragraph right, extreme language in the manisphere,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Right popularity of extreme language in the manisphere. I have
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: had feminists tell me that I ask them what they
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: mean by extreme language, and they'll point me to things
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: like statements that an abused man who is targeted by
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: extreme violence by his abuser, you know, with extreme violence
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: by his abuser, like the woman who women who have
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: poured boiling water because it happened more than once on
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: their victim right, that they have a right to use
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: violence to defend themselves if it's necessary to stop the abuse.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: These are the same women, by the way, who argue
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that even though there are hundreds of women's shelters all
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: over every Western nation, every First world nation in the world,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: even though there are whole legal systems in place not
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: only to help women escape from a home where they
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: are being abused, but also to help them financially, to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: give them some financial power over their perpetrator, to make
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: sure that they retain property, and in fact, even in
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: many places, give them the property and kick the abuser
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: out instead, that it's reasonable for a woman to wait
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it out until she gets an opportunity and kill her abuser.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: They argue that, and then say that it's extreme language
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: for a man in to suggest that if abuse is
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: extreme that he's experiencing, he has the right to use
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: violence to defend himself and should not be labeled an
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: abuser just because his abuser is injured in the course
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of him using violence to defend himself. Their argument basically
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: is that if a woman is the abuser, it's the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: man's responsibility to manage her right rather than defending himself,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the very thing that they're afraid that men will learn
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: how to do from masculinity influencers, and then radicalization and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: extremist ideologies. So you ask a feminist what constitutes an
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: extremist ideology. You don't hear about like ice or Hamas,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: or they don't even talk about the extremism coming out
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of the Israel side of the war between Israel and Palestine. Right,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: they don't talk about stuff like that, Right, they don't
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: talk about extremist ideologies where there's a cult that causes
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: people to isolate themselves from their families and friends. And Nope,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: it's you know, men who advocate for fifty to fifty
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: shared parenting. That's extremist to them. It's men who advocate
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: for systems to be put into place that don't allow
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a woman abandoning a marriage to use the court system
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to bankrupt her ex It's extremist to suggest that men
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: have equal need. You know, male victims have equal need
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: or assistance in escaping their abusers and recovering from the abuse,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that they are just as damaged by it. That's extreme
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to them. So their goal their statement here, you and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: women and our partners are taking action to challenge online
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: misogyny and digital abuse through research, policy and advocacy or
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: policy advocacy and survivor support, programming and campaigns that push
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: back against toxic masculinity. We're working to make digital spaces
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: safer and more equal for everyone. So let's look at
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: this research. Feminist research, Right, let's look at a history,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a bit of history about feminist research in nineteen eighty
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: seven and Ohio, No, it was a Kent State professor. Professor,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: not Ohio State professor was for dead in Ohio, Kent State.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: It was a Kent State professor. Mary pa Costs was
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: pushed to the forefront of feminist research on sexual violence
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: prevalence in the United States. There was a push during
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that time, during the entire nineteen eighties and part of
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies among feminists to find a way to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: obtain statistics that showed a high rate of sexual violence
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: against women perpetrated by men in the United States. That
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: was their goal, not finding out the prevalence, not establishing
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: what is fact, but establishing their narrative as the prevailing narrative.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: They wanted to prove rape culture. So various ones came
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: up with different ways of doing surveys because they couldn't
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: They couldn't get it from crime statistics. Crime statistics did
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: not show the rate of victimization that they wanted. Even
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: statistics on crime reporting where women made allegations, if they
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: counted every allegation is true, they still weren't getting a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: high rate right. If they counted only convictions, the rate
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: was like one in eight hundred something, And if they
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: counted reports that never made it to court because they
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: were either debunked or the woman abandoned the case or
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: there wasn't enough evidence for the police to pursue a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: case or anything like that, it was still like really
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: one in the hundreds. And the closest to a realistic
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: survey answer that they had was a researcher who found
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: one in fifty, which would be enough to call it
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: an epidemic. But they weren't satisfied with that, and the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: researcher basically counted answers yes answers to have you or
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: anyone you know been raped? As each answer was you
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: know an example of a rape, and so one in
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: fifty women answered yes to that question in that research,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: have you or anyone you know been raped? Well, how
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: many people do you know? So it's not one in
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: fifty women have been raped, it's one in fifty women
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: at least knows someone who has reportedly you know reported
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that they at least know someone who has right, So
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: they weren't satisfied with that. So Mary Pea Costs came
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: up with this question, this means of question where instead
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of asking if the crime had been committed, have you
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: experienced this crime? Name of crime? She had ten questions.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: She asked women, have you ever had sex when you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: didn't want to? Because? And then the condition that feminists
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: deemed rape, as as the rest of the questions. So
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: because someone forced you, because a man forced you what
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously that would be that would be rape.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: That that was the legal definition of the term. Have
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: you ever had sex when you didn't want to? Because
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and then it would go on because a man puts
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: social pressure on you, because a man bought you alcohol
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: or gave you alcohol was one of the questions. The
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: questions included like because that wasn't necessarily considered rape. Intoxicated
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: intoxic facilitated sexual assault back then and even today in
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: most places, requires incapacitation, some level of incapacitation, and not just.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Not just.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: You know, you had a drink and now you're relaxed,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: like that's that's not that's not what the law says, right,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: But feminists basically didn't. They didn't say because you were drunk,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: or because you couldn't resist due to intoxication, or you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: even because your inhibitions were lowered by by by alcohol,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: but because a man gave you alcohol. So any woman
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: that had chosen to have sex with a guy after
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: connecting with him at a bar, when they had decided
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: for themselves when they left the house earlier, I'm not
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: going to have section, I'm not going to go home
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: with some guy tonight, and then change their mind during
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: the night. My have answered yes to that question, and
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: so she got a result in University of one in eight.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: One in eight of her respondents she deemed that they
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: had been raped, and in her post survey, like the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: survey about the survey that they did, she also had
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: asked questions about whether they identified the experience that they
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: said yes about as a rape, and only one in
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: four of her respondents agreed with her definition her characterization
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: of what had happened to them, and actually something like
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: forty two or forty three percent of them had gone
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: on to have sex with their alleged perpetrators. Again, so
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: clearly there is a difference between how the women experienced,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: what cost was deeming rape and how Costs viewed their experiences. Right,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: But Gloria Steinem, who was the founder of MS magazine.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: She came across that research and she decided that she
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to publish it, so she had Costs do a
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: nationwide survey with the same set of questions, and that survey,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: cost didn't ask if her respondents agreed with her or not, right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: she didn't. She didn't ask those questions because she didn't
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: like the answers, and she didn't survey any men about
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: their experiences with women. She only surveyed women about their
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: experiences with men. And so she got this result, one
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: in four women by the time they are college age
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: have been raped, and it was published as that was
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the fact that the one in four women had been
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: raped by the time they were in college. Of course,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: several critics came out immediately examining the the survey method
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and said, there are a lot of flaws in this.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It's not clear enough. Some of these things that you
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: are designating as rape are not legally defined as rape,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and they don't involve the the alleged perpetrator using any
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: means at all to override the alleged victim's will. Right,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Some of these are just things that could be a
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: miscommunication between you and the respondent, and some of them
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: are perfectly normal behaviors. A lot of people have have
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: sex after they've been drinking, and they're still in control
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: of their actions. They're in control of their actions enough to,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: you know, decide whether or not to drive. They're in
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: control of their actions to decide whether or not to
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: go home with someone. They're in control of their actions
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: enough to decide whether or not to make a financial transaction.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: They aren't under the legal level or they aren't they
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: aren't over the legal level of alcohol that would, you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: get them out of a contract. But feminists deem that
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: it's rape if they have sex, that they've been raped,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: but only if it's a woman. If it's if it's
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a dude, you know, then it's abuse if he accuses
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: his his partner of raping him. So their research. That
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: research then got promoted all over the country. It's been
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: cited since nineteen eighty seven, and every feminist work that
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: does rape prevalence research, that involves rape prevalence research, it
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: is the standard. In nineteen ninety three, she wrote a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: paper on on doing rape prevalence research in which she
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: stated that it's not the same for a woman to
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: override a man's will a man has an experience of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: unwanted sexual contact, that it's not as bad. And her
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: only reason really was because I said so, that was it.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Because Mary coss said so, a man's experience of being
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: sexually victimized can be dismissed as less than the experience
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: of a sexually victimized woman. And in twenty twelve, the
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Centers for Disease Control in the United States did a
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: survey for the first time called the National Intimate Partner
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and Sexual Violence Survey in IBS that they they used
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Marry Cossa's standard, decided used that standard for defining rape.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: So they defined rape and every as every means of
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: engaging in coitus or oral sex or anal sex that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: didn't involve a woman forcing a man, So everything that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: involved being forcibly penetrated, nothing that had been involved being
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: forced to penetrate. And so after that came out twenty fourteen,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: they did another one and same standards, and we and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: the men's rights movement were trying to figure out, you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: why they did that, and we traced it to Costs
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: because she was cited as a source in there the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: full version of the research report, and so I contacted them.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I did an FOIA for their raw data, which they
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: did not publish. They only published statements about the data,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: and they published statistics some statistics from the data, but
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: not the full set of statistics. So there's there was
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: stuff that they hid. And you know, they actually responded
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: to my FOIA by hiding the raw data in the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: university and stipulating that they the university had to have
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: a council that would approve or disapprove people's access to it,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and in order to prevent another FOIA, like they literally
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: took measures to prevent the public from seeing the raw data.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: That should tell you something. They didn't want people to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: know what they actually found. Uh And and it did
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: come out later in Stimple's report that you know, there's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: a reason for that. They found a lot more female
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: victimization of men than they wanted to admit. But in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: any case, I filed that report and they wouldn't give
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: me the information that they had to give me in
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: response to the FOYA unless I engaged in a phone
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: call with them where they could tell me how I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: could use it. And so I used the phone call
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: as an opportunity to interview them, and I asked them,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: why did you define rape to exclude being forced to penetrate,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the primary way the female victims would rape a guy.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Why did you exclude that? And they didn't have an
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: answer because they didn't know. They didn't know why they
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: excluded being forced to penetrate from the definition of rape.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: It had been hidden under so many years of just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: feminists just citing it as you know, we got this
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: from here, without any vetting as to this is a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: good definition or not, without any critical analysis of causes
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: reasoning for that stipulation. They just used it, and they
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: didn't know. They could not tell me, and then they lied.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: They said it was the first time anybody ever looked
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: into male victims, which wasn't true. There had been other
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: research on male victims. So when they say through research,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: that's not what feminists do. They don't research. They create
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: propaganda and they wrap it in an illusion of research,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: and then they use that for policy advocacy causes. Nineteen
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: eighty seven rape survey was one of the things that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: was cited on the Senate floor during the debate over
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the usefulness and validity and constitutionality and everything should we
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: pass Basically the nineteen ninety four Violence Against Women Act,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: which has been a law now for thirty years. But
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that law partly got passed because causes invalid survey method
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: that labeled things that were not rape as rape and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: then produced inflated statistics that were one sided helped to
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: persuade congressmen that they needed to pass that law. So
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: they propagandized, They wrap their proper ganda in the false
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: guise of research, and then they use it to get
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: policy passed. The Violence Against Women Act was not The
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: feminists will tell you that it was the first law
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: in the United States that addressed federally addressed violence against women,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: but that's not true. There were previous federal laws that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: addressed family violence and then addressed the types of violence.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: That family violence is made up of assault and battery, rape,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you know, any kind of abuse like. There were other
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: laws that addressed that, and the main conflict that the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: United States had was that some local police departments might
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: consider violence to be a family matter when it happened
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: in the home, like prior to the Violence Against Women Act.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Ten years before that, there was a Family Violence Prevention
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: and Services Act of nineteen eighty for signed into law
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: by Ronald Reagan, that established a twenty four hour hotline,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It established shelter funding from the federal government. It established
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: advocates for victims. It established policy for local police departments
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and training for local police departments that basically said, just
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: because an assault happens in a home between family members
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not an assault, and you still have
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: to treat it as one. So it wasn't like the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Violence Against Women Act was necessary for protecting women. It
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: was necessary for providing the state with power. And that's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: what it did. It attacked due process rights, it attacked
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: family unity, and it strove to prevent reconciliation. And so
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: if you had a family where there was abuse taking place,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: but the conflict could be reformed, like the individuals could
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: could learn better ways of managing when they had conflict
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: with each other so they didn't abuse each other. That
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: especially where abuse was two way. A lot of times
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: you can learn to not get into patterns of violence
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: when you're having an argument and to sit down and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: discuss things like adults and come to a conclusion, respect
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: each other's opinions and experiences, and expect the same will
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: be done for your own. And there is therapy that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: helps with that, and it does work, And there were
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: situations prior to nineteen ninety four where that could be done.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Reconciliation could occur and a divorce wouldn't have to happen,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: custody battles wouldn't have to happen, and so on. After
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, the Violence Against Women Act became a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: custody battle machine to give women advantage in custody battles.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: So that's their policy advocacy. They don't advocate for policy
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to prevent violence or to deal with the issues the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: underlying issues that cause violence. They advocate for policy to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: break up families and punishment. Survivor support, right, I'm a survivor.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I think I've told my experiences probably one hundred times
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: more than I ever wanted to. I've been a survivor
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: of both non sexual violence and sexual violence. And when
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I talk to MRAs about my experiences, I get support
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: for my recovery and my ability to move forward with
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: my life as a non victim who was during the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: experience a victim, and after the experience a recovering victim,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: and then a recovered survivor who is not under the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: power of my perpetrators because they can't affect me. Now
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I get support for that from the men's rights movement.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: From the feminist movement, I get how dare you, how
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: dare you recover? How dare you not be traumatized for
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life about this? Don't you know
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: that you're harming other women? If you're capable of functioning,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: if you're capable of functional trauma responses and trauma recovery.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: The feminist movement doesn't have power over you, and they
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: can't exploit you, and they don't like that. So survivor
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: support is basically about how to maintain lifelong victim status
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: while serving the movement and exploiting it, like you know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: a card you can play anytime you're not happy with
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: something somebody says or does. Then they have programming and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: campaigns that push back against toxic masculinity. So that's an
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: interesting word they use there, right, Programming Like I know
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that when they're saying that the thing that they intend
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: for you to picture isn't like programming, computer programming, like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: brainwashing people programming, but like creating programs that assist people
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: in reforming their way of thinking. Right, creating seminars and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: workshop and stuff like that, right, but it's somehow it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: comes across when you know what they're like. So and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: to me, that's an admission that they are brainwashing and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: of course toxic masculinity for those who do not know so,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I like probably some of y'all in the Vertical Chat
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: don't know this. I'm sure some of our newer listeners
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: won't know this, but the term toxic masculinity also has
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a history. In the sixties, there was a researcher in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Australia who went by the name and I hope we
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: don't get busted for dead naming, but who went by
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the name of Robert Connell. And that name is on
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of research. Robert Connell's name is on a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: lot of research. So it exists out there. It's out there.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: It's it's not going away. And I don't believe I've
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: run across any evidence that there's been a change, like
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: any future publications of that same research where the attribution
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: is changed. Right. Connell studied uh feminist theory and studied
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: feminist mostly patriarchy theory and and started developing a a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: version I guess ecophobia would be the best way to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: put it right. And so Connall started viewing masculinity in
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: general as a prison that that he was trapped in,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: and over time came to the conclusion that you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: this was gender dysphoria and transitioned and is now ray
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: one Connell and has been. If I don't know how
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: old Connall is, and I don't know if ray On
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: and Connall is still around, probably, but I believe Connall
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: is a boomer, so I'm not sure because that generation
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: is kind of dying off. But the formulation of the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: concept of toxic masculinity, which essentially ascribes traits that are
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: immature two men and boys and to masculinity, and even
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: though they are committed by both sexes, like violence, using
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: violence against other people as a means of addressing conflict.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: So there's a whole paper defining it. And Connall took
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: the term hegemony. There was a term for that, that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: cultural hegemony. Hegemony, maybe pronouncing it wrong, but it's not
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: like alimony, right, But cultural hegemony is essentially the structure
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: of how the culture determines the personality development of people
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: who live in it. There's a much longer description for
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: cultural hegemony than that or explanation. But that's essentially what
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: that explanation describes, right, And he took that and came
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: up with the term hegemonic masculinity, which was the same thing,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: the structure, the scaffolding on which you know, the culture
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: creates its influences of the character, personality development of males
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: within that culture. And and then toxic masculinity the long
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: explanation that Connel, the inventor of the term, gives for
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: that goes through and cite specific a specific set of
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: behaviors that both sexes engage in when they are immature,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that both sexes continue to engage in during adulthood if
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: they don't mature properly, and deems them masculine characteristics that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: exist as a phenomenon of toxic masculinity, even though those
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: same characteristics also exist in women and girls. Right, So
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: it is a means by which feminists describe toxic behavior
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: as masculine in order to demonize men and boys, and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: in order to do that, they have to present the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: sugar and spice version of women and girls. And in fact,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: if feminists even acknowledge, most of the time, they don't
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: acknowledge toxic femininity as a as a potential thing, right
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: if they do acknowledge it. Where with men and boys
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: it's it's defined in terms of behaviors that are that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: affect other people, were that make the man and boy
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: less usable by other people, When when they talk about
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: it with women and girls, it's it's described in terms
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: of having to consider other people's feelings and experiences and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: maybe being more of service to the people around them
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: as toxic femininity. So you can sort of see that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: that distinction there. So with all that in mind, this
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: the the rest of the sentence. We're going to make
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: digital spaces safer and more equal for everyone's sounds orwellian
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: and really nefarious, right malicious. When they say safer, they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: don't mean safer, they mean more feminist controlled. And they
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: do all of that, they establish all of that before
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: they talk about the manisphere. What is the manisphere? They ask, all, right,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: what's the manisphere? The manisphere is an umbrella term for
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: online communities that have increasingly promoted narrow and aggressive definitions
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: of what it means to be a man. So that's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: their definition of the manisphere, which by their definition, would
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: exclude the entire men's rights movement. They will deems part
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: of the manisphere and lump us in with any anybody
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: that that's actually doing what they're saying here, which I
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: actually haven't run into that. I don't see a whole
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: lot of increasingly narrow definitions for what it means to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: be a man. Like most most discussion about what it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: means to be a man online determines the difference between
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: what it means to be a man versus what it
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: means to be a boy. But and the false narrative
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: that feminism and gender equality. Notice they like to associate
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: those two things together, right, feminism and gender equality, you know,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like women and children right have come at
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: the cost of men's rights.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: The way.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: This is why it's important to get your definitions in
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: order before you start talking to people, because this online
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: communities that have increasing the promoted narrow and aggressive definitions
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: of what it means to be a man. Right, that
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: describes feminism. That absolutely describes feminism. It describes a whole
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: bunch of niches in all kinds of hobbies that have
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: adopted this this this this feminist mindset, and like, how
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: do you describe what you believe in a way that
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: your enemies do not describe what they believe.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: This is something I encountered.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: In a.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Fucking thing we went to in La Gont Remember it
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: was vidcom. It was Vidcom that one time I went
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: there and we met up with a bunch of fans
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and I remember trying to trying to get
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: someone to describe what is the difference.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Between us and there?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: And they were like, well, we use our intelligence, And
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, right right, that's they. They would say
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: that about us, They would say they're the intelligent ones
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: and that and that we're not like what actually makes
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: us different from them? If we are to draw this
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: us in their minds? And it's remarkably difficult because because
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: we've had decades in the generations of feminists naming the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: problem and the opponents of feminists not quite being able
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: to name the problem, and and and and yeah, it
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: goes on and on, like.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: The people are so bubbled up in this.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Foam of anti definitions that that they've forgotten how to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: even describe the difference between them and their enemies. But
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: they sort of generally know what it is. And and yeah,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: I imagine that's going to be the reaction of most
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: of the people listening to me right now.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. We kind of know the difference.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: And this is why I keep screaming the word chophobia,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: because the difference is genophobia and archophobia. It's the difference
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: is destroying your own kind because you don't know what
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: else to do, or I'm destroying all the other kinds
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: because that's what you do.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: And and yeah, we at all times ought to be
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: in a world where we balance these two things, where
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: we control our own selves and control the other people
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: because that's what we're supposed to do. I don't know
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: why I even need to expand any further on that.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: We ought to control our own people and control the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: other people too. But we're in a world where the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: only thing we're allowed to do is control our own people.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: And this is where we've got. We found ourselves in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: this whirlpool of the optical that we're currently discussing. Ah,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess I'll let you carry on.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: It's a it's an interesting thing, you know. We we've
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: sort of devolved in into this situation where I would
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: call it this pathological politeness has taken over. Now. Granted,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: like all human beings, we are born feeral just like
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: every other animal in the world born feeral, right, and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: our parents civilize us. We don't. We don't start out civilized.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: We do have some social instincts if we're fortunate, that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: will assist us in becoming civilized, because we learn as we,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: you know, interact with each other. And if you if
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: you grew up in a neighborhood like I grew up
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: in a neighborhood in the in the nineteen seventies and
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, where like the kids in the eighties on TV,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: you got to go out all day within your neighborhood
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: where your parents weren't like six feet away from you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the entire day. And so we played rough, we fought
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: with each other, and we learned to negotiate differences of opinion,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: conflicts of interest between two people by means other than violence,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: because violence is, you know, demonstrate itself over and over
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: again to not be a preferent, preferable way to handle
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the situation. Both both sides always get hurt, right, And
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: when kids get into a fight almost always, and you know,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: you you don't maintain friendships through violence, you maintain animosity.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: So kids develop negotiation skills, they develop consideration for other
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: people's experiences and opinions and interests, and they develop a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: system of trading like all compromise my interest in X,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: and you can compromise your interest in why, and we
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: can play Z game together without beating each other up right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: And we were the last generation that was allowed to
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: do that on on the full generational scale, like the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: next generation, which you know started with the youngest boomer's
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: youngest kids for the most part, Like at that point,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: there were things that had changed in our communities that
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: made it less reasonable to let your kid walk a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: block away to a playground and play where you would
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: just be able to see them out the window, or
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: you would know that their friend's mom could see the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: kids out the window and would let you know if
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: something was going on right, or might even dole out
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: discipline if there was a close relationship between the families
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: and such an agreement existed, which my family did have
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: that with other families. The teacher ade that that was
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: always out on a play ground at school when I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: was a kid, was also the mother of one of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: my best friends growing up, And I remember one time
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I did something that I think I ran out in
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: front of a car was something really stupid, you know,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: one stupid childhood thing. And when I got across the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: street to her side, she squatted me on the butt
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, do not ever do that again. I'm
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, let your mom know. And
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, I went home to get ahead of
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the narrative and told told on her and I got
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: disciplined that again. It's like that Boomer generation didn't fuck
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: around with that shit. You know, like you might get
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: hit by a car. I am going to make you
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: afraid to run out in the road like that again,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna be there to watch and grab
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: you by the arm and stop you. Therefore, you should
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: be terrified to run out in front of a car,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: terrified of getting caught, terrified of getting hit by a car.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: And that that kind of terrorist parenting is the reason
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: why I never started smoking, because my family has a
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: predisposition to get cancer from that. And my father pulled
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: no punches telling me what it was like to watch
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: his mother die from that and so like that, he
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: scared the shit out of me, and I never started smoking. Boomers.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: That's how Boomer's disciplined. But yeah, today you grow up
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: in an environment where you're not allowed to navigate those
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: boundaries by by trial and error, and so you don't
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: learn them. And I think Millennials and Zoomers and you know,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Jen Alpha, I don't think I have an understanding as
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: much of how the function of early childhood development differs
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: when children are learning by discovery, learning through discovery that
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: you know there are better ways and worse ways to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: engage with each other socially, and I suspect that that
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: might be part of the reason for the generational It's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: not a big part of it, but it's part of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: the reason for the generational increase in diagnoses like attention
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: deficit disorder and autism, and personality disorders like cluster b
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: personality disorders, because there are aspects of all of those that,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: even if a person has a predisposition to develop them,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: you by learning those life lessons, you manage yourself better,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: and you may be a more high functioning person even
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: with those predispositions if you have established it for yourself,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: learned through discovery, and used that discovery learning to cement
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: in your mind the best methods that work the best
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: for you and the people around you. For you engaging
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: back and forth with people, and there can always be
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: supports for people who don't do so well learning through discovery,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: but the primary way that human beings learn things is
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: through discovery. The things that we keep the best and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: the most and the longest, like language development, happen through discovery.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Nobody sits you down as a child with a textbook
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and a test and makes you tell them you know
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: the words. They repeat them to you over and over again,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and you watch the way that their mouth moves, and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: you test out moving your mouth that way and making
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: those sounds, and you discover the formation of words. Nobody
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: sits you down with a textbook at a desk and
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: a pen and paper, and as you write out a
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: description of how to crawl and how to walk, you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: try it and you learn it. You discover how to
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: keep your balance, and you discover how to move forward,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and you discover how to push yourself upright, and you
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: discover how to move forward after you've done that. These
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: are things that you wouldn't be able to teach in
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: a classroom setting, and it was learning through discovery. There's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff most people learn whistling through discovery.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: If they learn how to whistle. Most people learn how
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: to tie their shoes through discovery. They watch it, they
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: mimic it, they do it, and then that discovery of
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: this is how it works. When you finally it clicks
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: and you see how it works and you imitate it
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: and you see you can do it learning through discovery, right,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: But you know that's been taken away when it comes
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: to establishing social connections and social boundaries and behavioral preferences,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: like here's how I'm going to handle this because this
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: works better, And that's maturity is often the process is
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: mostly the process of determining things that are more effective, efficient,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: considerate of your neighbor, and better at making you part
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: of a community as opposed to an isolated loaner. Right,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: that's the process of maturing, and you know, figuring out
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: the smarter, not the harder, way of handling things. Essentially,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of us put ourselves through the school of
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: self inflicted hard knocks on the way, right, Like I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: reached for a power line and got shocked. I put
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: my foot in hot coals. I I went swimming and
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: one of the most nasty lakes and and cut my
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: foot and had to get four different shots to prevent
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: me from getting infections. Just all kinds of stuff like that,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: fell out of trees. Uh, discovered that you don't want
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: to slide down a fireman's poll while you're wet by
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: injuring myself. Just all kinds of stuff like that. Discovered
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: that squirrels don't like being picked up, you know, Uh,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: discovered which bugs bite and which ones don't, and what
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: to leave alone, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: It was kind of boys and girls both do that
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: if they're allowed. But but yeah, what you end up
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: with then is as people mature and when they're allowed
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: to mature naturally and they're encouraged to mature naturally instead
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: of being stuck in a situation where they're not allowed
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: to learn conflict management through discovery and they're also not
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: given proper guidance on conflict management. That development develops adults
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: that are not mature, both sexes and both sexes when
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: they engage in violence. That violence is an immature behavior.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Predatory behavior is an immature behavior, Dishonest behavior is an
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: immature behavior. All of that is a failure to mature.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to do with gender, but feminists
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: of gendered it and that's when you want to know
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: the definition toxic masculinity. What does that mean? That's what
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: that means. It means feminists deeming immature behaviors, right, maladaptions
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: or failures to adapt as a masculine thing, and ignoring
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: the fact that they happen just as often with women
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: and girls, and they manifest in a lot of the
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: same ways. So they give this the manisphere narrow and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: aggressive definitions of what it means to be a man. Right.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Feminists do not accept the idea that if a man
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: is victimized, he deserves as much sympathy as a woman
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: deserves if she is victimized. So part of their definition
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: of being a man is that you are canon fodder
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: are you are not as deserving of human compassion. That's feminism.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody else defines it that way, right, Even trad cons
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: have the ability to recognize that harm to a man
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: has consequences for the man, and he deserves recourse. So
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: they go on. These communities promote the idea that emotional control,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: material wealth, physical appearance, and dominance especially over women or
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: markers of male worth. So there's a limited set of
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: people that do that. Almost nobody does that. But some
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: dating coaches do, some male dating coaches do, pick up
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: artists do. But you know, if you look at the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: men's rights movement as it has existed for a century,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: they don't do that. I challenge you to go through
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: every book, for instance, that doctor Warren Ferrell has ever written,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: and find anywhere where he suggests that dominance over women
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: is a marker of male worth anywhere. Find one. Find
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: a place where he said that in an interview right,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: find a place where he's lived that, because it doesn't exist.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: And if you motherfuckers, you and Women Feminists National Organization
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: for Women, the Feminists in our chat, if you motherfuckers
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: had bothered to listen to the things he had to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: say when you had a chance, you wouldn't be dealing
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: with Andrew fucking Tate. I guess Tate's the Malcolm X
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: to the men's rights movements, Martin Luther King, Doctor Martin
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: Luther King, Like obviously there was a one of the
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: films that I saw portraying the history of those two
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: men they had a meeting. If if it's to be
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: understood as an accurate portrayal, and I have a tendency
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: to believe this did happen because King had a very
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: specific set of ways that he wanted to engage with
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the public in order to communicate the value of people
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: of color and the fact that being prejudiced, being mistreating them,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: discriminating against them under the law and so on was unreasonable,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: foolish and uncivilized, right, And and it worked. It was
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: it was effective, It was persuasive to many, many people.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: And at the other end of it, you know, Malcolm
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: X was more of a revolutionary and he had more
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: in your face tactics, right, more more socially threatening tactics,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and that King didn't like it. That was that was
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: definitely a conflict between the two of them, and apparently
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: they had conversation where you know, he he asked him.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: King asked, uh, Malcolm X to tone it down. Malcolm
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: X said, Nope, not going to do that. But let
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: let me be the threat. The public has to see
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: that if they don't listen to you, they get me.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: I have to deal with me. And I think that's
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: kind of what's going on right now with dating influencers
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: that that do talk about how to manage women, right
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: the the guys that are pretty much fed up with
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: the idea that you could work with the establishment and
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: or take over the establishment and and maybe change the
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: laws and the policies and change the culture. They're like, Nope,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: we're stuck in this culture. We're stuck in this establishment.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: We're stuck with these laws. Here's how to navigate it all.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, fuck the idea of compromise. Just here's
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: how to to manage manipulate your weight through it. Because
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: they're you're never going to see honesty and integrity from
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: the other side. And I can see their perspective. I mean,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: I especially see it when I talk to women about
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: reproductive issues. That's they will engage in the most convoluted
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: and bizarre uh mental gymnastics to try to justify imbalances
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: in an accountability between men and women where women are
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: less accountable and benefit more from social protections and legal protections,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: and where men can be taken advantage of and harmed
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: uh and have no legal recourse and no social recourse.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: And you know, they'll they'll bend over backwards for that,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: and they'll they'll even deny biology, they'll deny all of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: the advancements in mental health treatment, they'll deny facts about
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: gestation and early childhood development. They'll deny legal standards that exist,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: they'll deny court cases, or they'll say that the reality
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: of the situation doesn't matter because they disagree with it. Well,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: I don't support that, so therefore you can't use it
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: as an argument. Your support doesn't matter. Right, It can
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: be used as an argument because it is reality, and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If reality doesn't support like your side
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: of the argument, and you don't like the implications of
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: that reality, it's still true. The idea that the narrative
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: that feminism has is gender equality is like the idea
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: that that that feminism is gender equality is another one.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: This this paragraph is so such a gift gallup. We're
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: going to get through this article. I swear feminism isn't
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: about gender equality. If it was, feminists would not be
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: arguing that women should have reproductive rights that men do
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: not have, and that women uh should have legal powers
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: as mothers that take away men's financial autonomy. They wouldn't
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: be arguing that that fathers should not have equal custody
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: rights in their family. They wouldn't be arguing that women
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: should get paid by their employer for things they do
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: for themselves and their family at home, but men should
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: get paid for things they do for their employer that
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: women don't. They wouldn't that's not equality. There's nothing equal
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: about that. They wouldn't be arguing that women should have
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: access to difficult and dangerous jobs but with lower standards
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: for work performed and lower standards for capability of doing
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: that work. They wouldn't be arguing that because that's not equality.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: If they were about equality, they wouldn't be arguing that
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: uniquely in cases where the accuser is female and the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: defendant is male, do process rights in criminal courses and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: court cases should be compromised, right. They wouldn't be arguing
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: that because it's not equality, but they are. They wouldn't
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: be arguing that it's a good thing if men and
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: boys fall behind in education and two thirds of successes
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: in education are female, so that's not equality. They wouldn't
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: be arguing that the crime, the nature of the crime
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: is determined by how many people perpetrate and not what
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: it does to the victim, in order to justify unequal
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: treatment of male victims, because it's still not equality. So
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: the idea that feminism and equality gender equality should just
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: be lumped together is bullshit. Feminism is a female supremacy movement.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: It is an establishment exploitation of gynocentrism movement and the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: idea that they haven't come at the cost of men's rights.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Feminists have spent longer than I've been alive opposing the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: rights of fathers to ensure their own ability to mentor
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: their children in favor of mothers, even when the mother
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: is not a good parent, even when the mother might
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: be dangerous to the child, even when the mother is abusive.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: They have spent They've gone from opposing joint custody during
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, to opposing shared parenting during the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: late eighties and the nineties, to opposing equally shared parenting
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. It's been a very long,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: losing battle. Because both parents are important to the child.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: You cannot just limit the child's experience to the mother's parenting.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, they're they're definitely. Their advocacy, their activism
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: has come at a cost of men's rights. Their advocacy
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: has affected due process rights uniquely toward men. Their advocacy
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: has affected funding for students, for crime victims, for any
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: any benefits at all that citizens get from the establishment
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: that holding their taxes and then paying for systems to
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: help them with with tough situations, that that men have
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: less access because of feminists, specifically because of feminist advocacy.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to keep saying, how tell you
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: you until you start realizing the context of what I'm saying.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's sad. It's they they do this. They
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: they will say these things, right, and they'll they'll act
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: like nobody should question this. They'll phrase it in such
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: a wet a way as to to make it seem
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: unquestionable that you know, obviously feminism is about equality, right,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and obviously men haven't been harmed by feminism in any way.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: And and then when you actually look at the situation,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that that's a lie. So again, Gish gallop.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Then it goes on to the next paragraph. The manisphet
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: targets male audience on social media, podcasts, gamer communities. So
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, because like when the gamer Gate controversy happened, Okay,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: when the gamer Gate controversy happened, one of the first
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: things that we were told as consumers who were objecting
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: to hidden advertising, advertising disguised as opinion pieces and articles,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: actual assessment of games and stuff. When we were objecting
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: to rigged contests, right, when we were objecting to a
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: rigged system of reviews and so on, When we were
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: objecting to essentially the manipulation of the player and the
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: influx of non play elements in our games, that were
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: just political bullshit. You know that we're like attempts at
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: political brainwashing. When we objected to that, we were told
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: we were attacking female gamers, that the gaming audience is genderless, genderless,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: that we were, you know, excluding half of the gaming community,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: because half of the gaming community was women. But this
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: article says that gamer communities are a male audience. Women
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: need to make up their minds. Then it goes on
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: dating apps. Dating apps are a male audience just about
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: all digital spaces, many participants engage in it with it
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: while searching for forums to openly discuss or learn about
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: men's issues. Gee, I wonder why why on earth would
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the most in your face part of the huge and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: broad discussion about men's issues come up first in searches
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: about men's issues. Very very odd, right, It's almost like
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: you have to engage in hyperpole to be heard when
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: when talking about talking about men's issues. Then it goes on.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: But while content may appear focused on men's self improvement,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: many of these groups promote unhealthy behaviors, like instructing boys
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: to build themselves up by putting others down. And again
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, but you know, I believe that
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: they are referring to pick up artists. Again, like feminists
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: usually talk about things like nagging and stuff like that,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: which is where you yeah, yeah, I know, quick silver tongue.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Dating apps are a male audience. Yeah, I that that
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: blew my mind considering the fact that most of the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: people on dating apps are women, but not me because
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do that. I'm married, so it's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: easy for me. But anyway, Yeah, this this idea of
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: men building themselves up by putting each other down. The
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: only place I've seen that is is that idea of nagging,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: which is essentially giving a compliment that has an insult
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: wrapped inside of it, which you know, men learn that
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: from women doing that to other women, like they might
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: have done it to each other, but in terms of
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: using that to control a woman's behavior, men learned that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: from women doing that to other women. So why the
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: manisphere appeals to young men online. It says extreme content
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: in the manisphere gains traction most among young men who
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: feel isolated. So let's make them feel more isolated, right,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: You and Women? According to You and Women Partner and
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: research Group Self Citation there at Equa Mundo's State of
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: American Men twenty twenty three report, two thirds of young
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: men feel no one really knows me. You know. Oh,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: maybe it's because you're characterizing them without getting to know
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: them first. The truth is, it is normal to seek
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: community in digital spaces. Many of us build a sense
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: of identity, nurture interests, and find like minded people Online.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Young men often stumble across manis fheir influencers while searching
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: for tips on fitness, dating, or cryptocurrency. They had to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: throw cryptocurrency in their whole wash out for the crypto bros.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: In the November Foundation survey, many said that they found
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: the content entertaining or motivating. The self proclaimed lifestyle coaches
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: have drawn young men in by claiming to teach personal responsibility,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: but ironically, instead of encouraging the self exploration that can
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: get to the heart of men's challenges. By that, they
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: mean self demonization, because that's what feminists teach voice and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: men to do. They suggest men are victims of societies
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: miss andry, meaning prejudice against men, And of course they're
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: characterizing that and very they're painting that with a very
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: broad brush. Like I have watched male influencers, even the
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: ones that aren't really part of the men's right sphere,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: the ones that are just trying to tell boys and
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: men how to get a date or how to navigate
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: just the social order of things and the legal system
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: and everything. Like, if they see a guy engaging in
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: actively self destructive behavior, they castigate him for it. And
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's not gentle either, it's a what the fuck
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Dumb ass kind of castigation, which is,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: you know, women, women think that's really harsh. So it's
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: amazing that feminists didn't notice this, But yeah, you know,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: they only notice when men point out that if a
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: man is discriminated against, he's a victim of discrimination just
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: as much as a woman is if she's discriminated against.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: That's a good question for our resident feminists here. If
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: discrimination victimizes the person that is being discriminated against, what
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: is your excuse for claiming that it is unreasonable to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: call men victims when they are discriminated against the the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: way they bolded miss andry. There is funny too. You
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: in Security General's report found that the expansion of the
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: manisphere coincides with growing conservatism among men. They see that
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: as a threat to Conservatives are family people right. They
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: believe that the strongest unit in the country is not
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: the state, but the family, and so the feminist attempt,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: the feminist goal of breaking up families is threatened by conservatism,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: so they don't like them. Conservatism among them, which sees
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: efforts to achieve women's equality as discriminating against men. They
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: keep repeating that what what are they defining as equality?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: She's still talking in here. I think she may have left.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: But Chris Mazuno there that keeps making feminist statements in
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: the chat is our resident feminists. He's in almost every chat.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: Seems to have cropped up right after Carly Ellison. Just be.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: In is study by You and Women and the Unstereotype Alliance,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: which is hilarious because feminists are stereotyping men. In this article,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: younger men are more likely than older men to hold
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: stereotypical views on gender roles. Uh, Manisphere ideologies. This was
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be the last bit we'll go. We'll start
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: with the paragraph introducing this, and then we'll reread the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: headline and the paragraph next week. Okay, because it's nine o'clock.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Manisphere Ideologies, How the Manisphere portrays women. While groups within
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: the Manisphere do not all share the same beliefs, Oh
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: my god, they admitted it. That's amazing, Like they don't
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: usually do that. While groups within the Manisphere do not
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: all share the same beliefs, many are united in their misogyny,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: a prejudice and resentment of women and girls. In many ways,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: the Manisphere is descended from a long line of anti
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: feminist movements. And then it says these major groups Manisphere
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: groups spread myths, pseudoscience, and lives based on gender. And
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: they go through and they have you know, and they
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: put in cells at the top. Then men's rights activists
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: pick up artists, men going their own way, and then
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: went on to discuss red pill ideology. All women are
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: like that, femoids or fahos and hypergamus the term hypergamous.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: So we'll get into that next week, and then we
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: will also read their ideas on how to counter the
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: manisphere's toxic influence. And but with that, I am going
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: to read our super chows. We got one at the
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: beginning from Meredith g our top g who gave us
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: five dollars and said, HBr talk three sixty five honey
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: for the Badgers. And then we have Cloyd who gave
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: us ten dollars and said, I thought digital abuse was
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: non consensual fingering. There we go, and I believe there
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: was the term for a long time because of that
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: digital rape, because of non consensual fingering. But yeah, they
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: didn't this time use the term online violence, which I
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: think is funny. And online violence, like the term online
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: violence doesn't refer to like violence on on on the internet,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: like violence on tele vision refers to violence on television
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: where you see a portrayal of violence. And there's this
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: theory that desensitizes people and causes them to be less
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: predisposed to avoid violence. It's words on the Internet or
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: the communications basically on the Internet that have no physical
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: manifestations in the real world outside of the Internet. It's
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: feminist defining that is violence. So saying things people don't like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: they've defined saying things that people don't like as a
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: violent act. They've defined the presentation of images because they
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: can't just call it abuse, right. I had an argument.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: I've had many, many arguments with people who call themselves
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: minor attracted, which is essentially just their way of not
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: using the word nonsurpeto to describe their perversions. And you know,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: I've got into arguments with them from as early as
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: maybe twenty ten on X because they've had a longstanding
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: effort in place to try to portray that as a
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: normally naturally occurring sexuality that's no different than being gay
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: or bisexual, which is bullshit. It's a sign of psychological
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: damage that requires treatment to undo and in some instances
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: may not be curable. But it's not a sexuality. It's
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: not a sexual preference for body type. And the argument
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: that this happened in I ended up getting the person
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: to admit that. I went through a series of questions asking,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: you know, well, what if you ran across a person
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: who had behavioral adult maturity, that they had responsibility for themselves,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: that they learned to navigate the community of the world
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: around them in functional ways, they learned the smarter ways
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: of doing things, you know, and therefore were non violent,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: non confrontational, you know, unless there was a really solid
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: reason for it and things like that, that they earned
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: their own living and stuff like that, but their body
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: didn't develop because there's a disorder that can cause that.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: Gary Coleman had it like for gen xers, Like I
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if anybody later generations knows him, but he
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: played children in various roles of children on TV well
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: into his adulthood because he had this disorder that like,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: you don't actually develop at the same speed as other
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: people physically, and so he like a child like into
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: his thirties maybe forties. But in any case, like the
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: person said, no, that wouldn't be the same because the
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: individual wouldn't have childhood innocence. And I said, wait a minute,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: you're using the term innocence, but what a child has
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: isn't innocence. It's vulnerability, right, because children can do bad things.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: So they're not innocent. They're feeral, and they're they're developing
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: a more civilized approach to living in a community as
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: they grow, and they're learning to defend themselves and have
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: their own boundaries. How to establish all of that. They
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: haven't learned that yet, and so they are more defenseless
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: than an adult, right, They're more vulnerable to exploitation, They're
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: more vulnerable to being tricked and bullied into doing things
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: that they're not ready to do. And that is what
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: really defines the difference between a child and an adult
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: in terms of whether or not they can consent to something,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: whether they can understand that consent. And you know, this
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: person got mad at me, like, but what you're saying
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: is I'm a predator. You're calling me a predator. Well, yes,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: because what you are defining is a sexuality, is a
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: desire to only have someone who is not yet emotionally
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: developed enough and not yet mentally developed enough to determine
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: their own personal boundaries, to establish those boundaries, to communicate
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: them to you, and to enforce them if you tread
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: on them. That's what you're looking for in a child,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: not lack of tits, not a lack of body hair,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: and a boy. You know, it's that vulnerability, that helplessness.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't agree. It's one of the reasons
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: why I don't agree with people who claim that it's
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: just the same for a middle aged person to have
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: an affair with a grown adult who is in their
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: twenties or you know, early thirties, as it is for
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: a pedophile to attack a child like It's clearly different
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: because a grown adult in their twenties and thirties has
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: developed the capability of establishing in their boundaries, communicating them,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: defending them, and they do know when a boundary is
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: being crossed, right, That's the difference. And so this person
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: gets mad at me and starts engaging in what feminists
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: would refer to as online abuse, which was a bunch
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: of harsh statements, a bunch of really belligerent some of
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: it was you know, obscene, like just the usual bullshit.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, I considered that my my situation, you know,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: is I consider that a win. The person lost the
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: ability to try even to persuade me and just started
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: engaging and bullying. But where it actually stepped over into
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: abuse was the next day I get on on Twitter,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: this was back when it was Twitter, and I look
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: into my DMS and there is an image that I
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: will never unsee of a child being abused sexually. And
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: of course the first thing I did was contact the FBI.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: I had to look up how to contact and report
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: to the FBI, and I reported the image to Twitter,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: and for reporting the image to Twitter, Twitter suspended me. Right, So,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: this individual sent a victim of childhood sexual exploitation an
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: image of a child being sexually exploited. That was abuse.
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  Speaker 1: I think that would be abuse to send it just
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  Speaker 1: about anybody. Nobody should have to see that. We should
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: be able to put a stop to it without everybody
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: having to actually see what it looks like. We don't
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: just knowing the facts around right and wrong with regard
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: to that, we don't have to look at it. But
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: and then and then x well. Twitter also engaged in
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  Speaker 1: abuse by punishing the individual who reported criminal content for
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: reporting the criminal content. At no point did I cuss
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  Speaker 1: at this person. At no point did I engage in
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: any kind of bullying where you know, I like I
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: when the person said the conversation, they didn't want to
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: talk anymore, you know, I said, that's that's up to you.
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  Speaker 1: You can choose not to talk anymore. But that means
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: I've won the argument. You know, that's it. Nothing was
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: abusive there, I cut through the bullshit, but nothing I
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: said was abusive. Didn't even call a person stupid, didn't
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  Speaker 1: even use the term, you know, the terms that the
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: individual was trying to avoid. I simply cut through the bullshit, right,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: and that was labeled abuse. So the idea of online
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: abuse to these these communist types and you know, any
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  Speaker 1: anybody that's basically trying to break down your your boundaries
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: and tread on them with impunity, they call it abuse
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: when you resist. But yeah, so that's the answer to
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: the question of what is digital abuse. I would consider
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: it abuse. To send somebody child porn, that's abuse, But
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was. I don't I don't think
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: I would classify it as abuse. That the person who
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: sent me that cussed me out first, like they can
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: cuss all they want. I don't fucking care. I don't
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: have any super chats that I know of, I don't
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: have any rumble rants. So that will be it. And
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: do you guys have any last words on the subject.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's muted.
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  Speaker 3: Nine I have nine comments. I have no comments.
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  Speaker 1: Nine nine in German, not nine in English.
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  Speaker 2: You have handled this perfectly, Hannah, and I have nothing
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  Speaker 2: to add because of.
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  Speaker 1: Well done, well thank you. In that case, I will
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: thank everybody for listening. We will continue on. Like I said,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: with the end of this article. In the beginning of
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: the next next week, this subject matter pisces me off,
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't surprise me at all. Right, thanks everybody
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: for participating in the conversation, and thanks to everybody who
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: works in the background to make HBr talk happen, especially Brian,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: and good night all