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1995's The American President · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Phillip, I'm not sure if you're aware of this.
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  Probably I only wake you up for the important podcast meetings,
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  but sometimes I go back and listen to our show for quality
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  control. Sure.
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  Well, one of your spammed Spotify accounts, right?
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  And so we get the listens. Yes, exactly.
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  Just to make sure there's no hard cuts, blunders.
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  I don't end up ever fixing it. I do want to make people aware
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  of some of my blunders because it's rather embarrassing.
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  I think they're probably already aware.
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  But you want to admit to them? Yeah, call them out.
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  I don't want everyone else knowing I screw.
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  Up. And I'm like oblivious.
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  Oblivious. Yeah, OK.
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  And it was from Looper, my most recent blunder.
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  OK, near the end of the movie I said Emily Blunt's character
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  will protect her son at no cost as opposed to at all costs.
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  Yes, she will do it for free. Yeah.
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  Cost her money? We don't know.
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  Can't be guaranteed. Implying that maybe she wouldn't
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  protect her son had it cost a few bucks.
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  So do you think this is you coming back to your sales?
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  You know, at no cost to you, Sir.
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  I will throw in this case. There's always a cost, there's
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  always hidden. Things.
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  An emotional cost to spiritual cost.
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  I don't miss the sales part of the world, but there's a lot
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  more blunders that will come in the future.
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  I just wanted to address that when the other reason I listen
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  to our podcast is what helps me sleep at night.
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  Oh yes, knocks me out. Our nice dulcet tones.
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  They do it. They do it well.
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  I've have on good authority that you're the only one that does
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  that. Really.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Everybody else is riveted river. That's part of their wake up
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  juice. That's the first thing to do is.
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  There when they get up in the morning coffee.
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  And a little Phil and Dave. Yeah, wonderful.
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  Great to hear. Yeah.
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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got Coming off of My Shelf 1990 fives The
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  American President, Directed by Rob Reiner, The Late great We'll
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  Get Into That. Written by Aaron Sorkin.
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  Starring Michael Douglas and Annette Benning, David Paymer,
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  Michael J Fox, Martin Sheen, Martin Sheen, Richard Dreyfus.
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  Absolutely coming out of nowhere.
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  Oh my God, John Mahoney. Wendy.
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  Malik, what did I do to deserve? This so many a cast of hundreds
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  really coming off the shelf this week.
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  Dave, welcome back to the Couch. Thank you.
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  Great to be here. Much appreciated of course, I
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  hope you're doing well. Not bad.
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  And what do you know of this movie prior to and where your
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  feelings coming out of? If you would have told me Bill
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  Pullman is the star of this movie, I would have believed
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  you. Well, somehow I got a mixed up
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  Independence Day. Yeah, I think so, because he has
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  played a president. But obviously it's a Michael
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  Douglas film. It's it's pretty obvious.
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  So my history of this movie is limited to the awareness of it,
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  of his existence coming out in the mid 90s.
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  It's about the president's. OK, Really.
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  What is about? I assumed about a presidency and
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  a romance, perhaps that his wife had passed.
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  You thought that? Yeah.
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  That I think I knew, but I don't even think I saw clips of it on
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  the television set. OK.
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  Either for yourself, I'm going to ask you a couple questions.
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  Why this movie and why now? I don't know if you saw those
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  questions coming. Wait a minute.
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  Like what's your history of this movie?
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  Was it on the black box? What have you.
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  Yeah, mid 90s, definitely a black box sitch.
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  Yeah, for sure. Frequent trailer I had at this
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  time in my life. Was already hooked in movies in
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  general, so this was right up my alley.
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  Rob Reiner film, I alluded to it on the website.
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  Just a phenomenal director. Made so many movies that I just
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  loved. Worked on A Few Good Men with
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  Aaron Sorkin as well, which came out a couple years prior, and
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  then came up with this. You're sold.
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  Totally sold on the idea of it anyway.
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  And I thought the trailer was pretty good and I was pretty
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  excited for it when it came out and when I saw it, I loved it.
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  The writing I thought was really solid direction, solid cast.
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  I was just like, yeah, I'm totally enamored of this movie.
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  That's like the main trifecta, right?
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  You get great performances, well written movie and it's well
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  directed. You're in a pretty good.
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  Spot. Totally, totally.
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  And it lived up to all of that when I first saw it.
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  And then it's only grown and esteemed since.
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  Because as you may or may not be aware, Aaron Sorkin created The
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  West Wing a few years after this.
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  Did not know that. There's that and as a result,
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  what the story is that he wrote like a 400 page screenplay for
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  this. OK, Reiner and the producers and
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  such all kind of went, we'll take these 95 pages and then
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  basically Sorkin had 300 other pages that he used then to for
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  the show as the basis for The West Wing and Martin Sheen
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  transited. That's not the right word.
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  No, that's save. Yourself.
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  A Blogger called out right now, Yeah.
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  Transition. Transition into President
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  Bartlett. But even in that, he wasn't ever
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  going to be the star of the show, OK, But he was so
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  wonderful and actor and was so powerful as a president that he
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  was like, yeah, we'll do it. He's he's magnetic.
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  Absolutely, literally. So I was immediately hooked.
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  And this movie is grown and esteemed since.
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  And to get into the why now, obviously we joked at the end of
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  last season that we hadn't done a lot of Michael Douglas movies
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  and I. And that's a crime in some
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  countries. Venezuela.
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  And I loved Wonder Boys so much and certainly going over the
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  best of and it was always in the brain and.
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  So track of the year I think he gave.
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  It so a long time ago, I called my shot.
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  This was going to be the first movie of 2026.
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  You did. I even watched it at one time
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  before the end of the year. And then we got this terrible
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  news. You were traveling.
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  You may have found out a day before me.
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  Even yeah, I was living at 22 hours in the future actually I
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  was telling all my family what to.
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  Expect. That's right.
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  That's terrible. News is coming.
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  Yeah. So it knocked me out.
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  I don't know how you felt about the news.
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  It ruined a day or two for me. This is gonna sound really
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  selfish and self centred but that's, but I am.
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  That's why that's who I am. But it was a big downer for me
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  and it took a few days for me to kind of alright.
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  Let's bring the energy. Bring the energy back, let's
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  have a good time. But it was tough.
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  And it was even tougher where I found out it happened right
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  after a Conan O'Brien party. Oh, yes, yes, yes.
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  You know, he's one of my favorite people.
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  Bill Hader, another one of my favorite people.
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  Now, I don't know what's true and what's not, but the fact
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  that that party was real and it happened, that is true.
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  I know. It just makes it even worse
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  because these are people I like and they're probably going.
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  Through a worldwind of emotions, being close to Rob and he's one
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  of the nicest guys in Hollywood. Everyone says really, really sad
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  situation. So yeah, it was pretty
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  heartbreaking. And really, you know, you read
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  of a 80 year old guy dying and you kind of almost accept that
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  on its face. And then you read how he died
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  and it just changes the entire. Conversation and after such an
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  amazing career, yeah, what I know now that I've researched
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  some of this films, he's done such a wide range of movie
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  types. Well, just alone in our
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  hierarchy at the end of this episode will have done Misery.
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  Yes, of the Good Men and the American President and all three
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  completely different films and all pretty darn good.
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  That's right. And I just recently saw Spinal
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  Tap, the sequel, and the guys got easily six or seven other
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  movies that I think are incredible.
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  In fact, I had already on the short list, picked another one
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  of his films for later in the year.
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  So OK, we'll revisit this guy's. Career he will live on
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  absolutely in our in our hearts and in.
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  Hollywood, it made me very happy that I selected this film.
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  But I will say that certainly watching it beforehand and then
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  watching it after, it's complete different experience.
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  Yeah. And so close together, like
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  literally within a few days of one another.
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  I watched it once, terrible news.
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  And I watched it again to take notes and feeling like well I
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  don't know what the hell to say about this so.
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  And it just proves officially that you're always trying to one
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  up me. Because I had chosen Volcano
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  before Tommy Lee's daughter had passed.
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  That's true. Another sad coincidence.
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  Absolutely terrible news. Very sad news.
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  Such is life, my friend. Now, on a lighter note, David,
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  what did Old Faithful have to say about this?
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  Film. It's very good at cheering
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  people up. IMDb says the following A
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  widowed U.S. President running for reelection
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  and an environmental lobbyist fall in love.
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  It's all above board. But politics is perception.
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  That's in quotations, and sparks fly anyway.
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  Wow, you can't stop Sparks. No, Ask Michael Bay.
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  Thank you for that you didn't like.
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  That No, I think it's terrible. What would you say?
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  I don't know. I mean, ultimately it is what it
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  is. They fall in love, but the
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  sparks fly and politics are perception.
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  It just feels a little too cheeky, cheeky.
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  So I don't appreciate that. You appreciate my initial
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  thoughts. Absolutely.
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  Well, you haven't heard them yet, so maybe you won't.
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  I'm going to bank on yeah, putting all my money on yes.
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  Oh wow, in the gambling mood. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Passenger 57 always been on black.
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  I'm going to say something here that's gonna blow your mind.
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  OK, that's. Right.
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  This is possibly the best movie in the last five years.
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  Wow. You have brought off your shelf.
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  Oh my God. And you have brought off some
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  Oscar hits. Yes, some of the greatest movies
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  ever made, arguably. Well, clearly you're arguing,
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  but. They really like this movie.
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  Amazing I I can't wait to dig into why.
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  Me too. Maybe some self discovery
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  because you insist that I have no heart, that I'm dead inside.
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  I. Corroborate your version of
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  reality. When you say I have no heart, I
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  go yeah, you're right. Maybe.
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  I had an epiphany. Wonderful. 2026 Here it comes.
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  Yeah, but I really did. I can't wait that's.
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  Amazing through and through. Anything that I say negative
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  about this movie would probably qualify as a nitpick.
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  Digging deep to say hey I don't like this interesting.
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  So my name come up. I don't know if I'm in the.
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  Mood. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Wow.
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  Well, that's wonderful. That warms my heart.
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  Good. That's what.
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  That's what. It means I get to take half a
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  night off really, because most of the time I just fight to
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  convince. You that you're wrong.
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  We can wrap this up in about 20 minutes, not to get a lot of.
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  Pushback. Wow.
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  It's amazing. Yeah.
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  So excited. What else gets me excited, Dave,
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  is title sequences. Yeah.
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  You wanna get right into it? I'm getting into the movie
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  because now I know that I got a carte blanche.
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  I gotta get in. There, Yeah.
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  You're not a patient man. No foreplay here.
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  That's what I heard. I I love that you're excited
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  about it. So the title sequence, I love
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  the score in this really fractious times in the world.
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  There's a real moment despite the fact that I'm Canadian, but
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  I have a lot of respect for the president and the history of
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  that. The current one.
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  No, I'm saying indigency, the position.
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  And so the title sequence here, the sweeping nature of that, the
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  grandiose, you know, presentation of what that office
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  means and how it looks, I found very moving very quickly.
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  I'm very much into this vibe. Yeah, I think the music goes a
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  long way to help. Absolutely.
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  Incredibly charming. It's a great score.
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  I'm pretty sure this is a shaman.
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  Yeah, Mark Shaman. Yes, right.
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  Great composer. If you look at the credits.
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  I mean, some great, great movies.
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  His score for The Addams Family is one of my favorite scorers of
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  all time. Certainly as a kid, I did the
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  score for City Slickers, Mr. Saturday Night with David
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  Paymer. A lot of Rob Reiner movies as
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  well. Obviously this.
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  He did A Few Good Men, Albert Brooks and so forth.
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  So just a guy that's in the mood.
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  He also worked on Mary Poppins Returns.
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  Oh, that's pretty recent Rob Marshall movie.
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  Amazing. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Rob Marshall. Yeah.
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  He directed Chicago, which is available in the available in
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  the archives. So, yeah, great score, really
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  sets the scene. And as you know, title sequences
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  get me hooked right away. And what hooks me right away,
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  Phillip, you probably may be aware of this.
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  Nicotine. You know patch is the names that
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  pop up during the opening. Credits Ohf sure, this one in
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  particular. I did not know Michael J Fox.
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  Was in it one of your boys? Martin Sheen, I may have known,
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  but it didn't surprise me. And like, OK, yeah, he belongs
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  in the White House. Yes.
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  And then we have names like John Mahoney, David Paymer, between
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  that and the music. Yeah, you're like super prime.
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  I'm ready. I'm comfortable where I'm
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  sitting right now. I can see you very excited
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  already, even talking about it. Yeah, it's a great bunch of
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  people. And then, yeah, it hits the
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  ground running. What I like about movies like
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  this, and Sorkin has this ability used in The West Wing
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  too, is that you're coming in mid conversation and you totally
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  know what's happening. You're not lost.
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  You're high on approval ratings. You just did the state.
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  Of the Union or a speech. Speech.
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  Something's dangling at the end. Something is just this thing.
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  There's a thing hanging out there That's right.
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  Michael J Fox. His character Lewis.
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  Yeah. Who does not drink coffee, by
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  the way. Yeah, my boy, I like.
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  He's high strung. He's very high strung and I
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  haven't seen a lot of Michael J Fox movies outside of the
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  obvious. The trilogy, Yeah, sure.
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  TV. Yeah, of course.
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  Spin City, as it were, so it was really nice to see him here at
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  95. I of course loved him in Teen
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  Wolf and he was pretty good in The Frighteners.
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  But yeah, he's definitely not a movie.
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  You know, his sort of. It's mostly television over his.
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  Later, yeah. And just when I think it
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  couldn't get better when it comes to casting with Anne
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  Haney. Come up here.
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  Classic. Yeah Chapel.
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  Great episode of TNG, buddy. Of course, great episode.
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  I'll leave it there. A TNG reference.
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  Interesting. Been awhile.
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  As they're kind of bickering over the speech.
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  Mr. Opportunity or whatever else is really just an introduction
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  to the characters and how they relate to one another.
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  But it's got a line in it that's repeated throughout, which is we
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  fight the fights we can win, Lewis.
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  And that as a mantra is shady because it just it limits what
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  you're going to do, right? And we see that even in modern
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  politics. Yeah, they keep saying the
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  filibuster were you just say I'm not going to vote for it, and
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  then you don't. Whereas in great movies like Mr.
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  Smith Goes to Washington, directed by Frank Capra.
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  Oh, there you go. That filibusters the crux of
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  that movie. OK, And Jimmy Stewart has to
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  speak. The rule of a filibuster is you
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  just don't stop talking. As soon as you do, the vote
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  comes. OK, I don't know what a
• 14:30
  filibuster. Is it's that you're basically
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  blocking a vote and you're using all of the time you take the
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  floor to speech? Yes, of course, which happened
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  recently, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah, Cory Booker did it for like earlier last year. 16 hours
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  or something ridiculous or 18 hours?
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  For him, I guess. I don't know.
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  Yeah. You're just trying to fight back
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  this shitty votes that are hurt the country.
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  And now you just sort of, you just fight the fights you can
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  win. So you don't bring the vote.
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  You just, oh, we're not gonna win that one.
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  We're not gonna write the law. We're not gonna vote the bill.
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  We're gonna be moving on. Yeah, I mean, I get it.
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  Sure, but you sometimes the point is the statement, right?
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  Force the vote, get on record. You decided not to do this as
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  opposed to everybody collectively saying we'll take a
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  pass. Alright, so it stuck out to me
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  is something that is pretty significant.
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  The thing that really stuck out to me was when Leon David Paymer
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  mentions that they keep moving that big ficus plant.
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  Classic Dave observation, I tell you.
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  The dialogue in this and the script is tight.
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  Well, anytime you can throw a ficus into.
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  There, I just like Palmers. He's great.
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  He's great. Like AJ, his reaction to him, I
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  love this closely knit team. It's a pretty magical thing,
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  from performance, from writing and direction.
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  I think that this film is mislabeled.
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  I think it should be a fantasy. Yeah.
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  She gets tall is a bit of a fable, Yeah.
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  Like, I just don't think that chemistry amongst everybody
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  exists now and that I mean a president like this, obviously
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  if he was 100th of the Michael Douglas character here, we'd be
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  in a much better. Position.
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  I will say ultimately that this group really gets along and I
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  would suggest that everybody in the current administration
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  really gets along because they're all just jerking.
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  Each other perhaps? Right.
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  So I think it's actually more the combative with the other
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  side than it is within. But I agree.
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  But I'm sure it's done less majestically.
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  And this is the thing with Sorkin You gets criticized for
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  including the West, where it's a pie in the sky version of
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  politics and there's nothing wrong with.
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  It I don't think there's anything because it's a break.
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  Yeah, right. This certainly time meant to
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  entertain. So let's step back and enjoy it,
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  right? The GDC, Yes.
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  What does that stand for? Phil Global have to look that
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  up. That's a matter.
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  Of fact would have helped if they texted that on the screen
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  to explain what they do. What does the doc do?
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  It would have helped if you had prepped me for the question.
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  That's what it would have helped.
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  You didn't prepare me for the fact that Susan and Leo would be
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  on the screen together and two years later they would be dating
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  on Frasier. Who would have?
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  Thought, who would have thought? Thank you for that.
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  That's my gift. I love her.
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  Wendy Malik, just shoot me. Thank you.
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  With David Spade, she's just great character actor.
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  You probably don't remember this because you actually watched a 2
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  hour movie with her, but she is in Scrooged.
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  I don't remember her in exactly. She plays his brother's.
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  Wife. Yeah, she's been in a lot.
• 17:28
  She's always very, very good. But Leo, he wants a closer.
• 17:34
  Yeah, he needs an Andre Munoz. OK.
• 17:37
  He's a closer in baseball. Great.
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  I guess. Hoffman, would you have got that
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  reference? If you had said you're a
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  Sedgwick I would have understood.
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  Oh, is that from Major League? Or no, Dear Cedric is an actor
• 17:49
  in The Closer the OHS. Though I'm doing baseball.
• 17:52
  Here, buddy. Yeah, going the other way.
• 17:54
  Alright. I'm bringing TV into the
• 17:56
  conversation for the first time in a year and a half.
• 17:58
  I should let me roll. With yeah, this will be a good
• 18:00
  opportunity to talk about West Wing.
• 18:02
  I would imagine. Right.
• 18:04
  Well, the clothes are in question.
• 18:05
  Is Annette Benning playing Sydney Ellen Wade.
• 18:07
  Which, I have to tell you, despite my love of this movie,
• 18:10
  it really bothers me that they continually use her three names.
• 18:14
  Oh, yeah. Just repetitive.
• 18:15
  I like the sort of lyricism of it.
• 18:17
  Sydney, Ellen Wade, the only way that's fine, but she's also just
• 18:21
  Sydney, you know, or even sit. Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:23
  So that it's a minor quibble. It's a it's a minor nitpick.
• 18:27
  But as I'm saying, even out loud, she will be sitting
• 18:29
  probably from here on out. But I do like the introduction.
• 18:32
  I love Annette Benning. She's in Bugsy just prior to
• 18:34
  this, the Grifters, American Beauty, a couple years after
• 18:37
  this Oscar for that role. I would say she's been nominated
• 18:41
  a few times but never won unfortunately.
• 18:43
  And this is great that early in our season we're getting some
• 18:46
  nice female. Performance.
• 18:49
  Yeah, we got her. And Susan, it's not.
• 18:52
  Right. Wendy Malik.
• 18:54
  Don't be surprised if Wendy Malik comes up in 12 months.
• 18:58
  Her character actually in Seinfeld was Wendy.
• 19:00
  She had the hair. That's right.
• 19:01
  Yeah. Yeah, she wasn't that I remember
• 19:03
  vividly. So was AJ's wife, Esther.
• 19:05
  Esther. OK, alright, I'll leave that
• 19:07
  there. Save me doing it later.
• 19:11
  Oh, thank goodness, thank goodness.
• 19:13
  But she's going on a Jag about how ineffective this president
• 19:16
  has been. And we get a sense that
• 19:19
  Douglass's got a little sense of humor.
• 19:21
  Let's take him out back and kick the.
• 19:22
  Shit out of him. What a great line.
• 19:24
  It immediately diffuses the situation.
• 19:25
  Well this movie does really well is it sets those scenes up
• 19:29
  perfectly. Just before Jay is like you
• 19:31
  should stop by, just you. Know put your put a nice face.
• 19:35
  On it, yeah. And then boom, instead of him
• 19:36
  just showing up good structure. It's great structure, right.
• 19:39
  And that's. Working.
• 19:40
  She's really excellent. I'm starting to think that I'm
• 19:43
  starting to get on board, Buddy West Wing, seven seasons, he
• 19:46
  wrote four of them. But.
• 19:47
  Yeah, maybe I need a new series. So get in there.
• 19:50
  It's a talent, and the performances are just so winning
• 19:53
  that it completely gets me hooked.
• 19:55
  And he's clearly smitten. He smitten?
• 19:58
  Yeah. Makes a deal with her that he'll
• 20:01
  do 20% if she gets 24 votes. Yeah, 34 total.
• 20:05
  You'll get the other 10. That's right.
• 20:07
  So we get the stakes of the movie, what little plot there is
• 20:10
  in these kind of talky kind of characters movies that I like to
• 20:13
  watch so often. But this is the plot.
• 20:16
  Ultimately, it's the battle for the environmental lobby versus
• 20:20
  the crime bill, which we've alluded to.
• 20:21
  That this crime bill is number one on the president's agenda.
• 20:24
  It's really Sydney versus Lewis in a sense, correct?
• 20:27
  You'll see a little bit later, but for now, she's just gonna go
• 20:30
  out the wrong door. Yeah, she gonna struggle.
• 20:32
  Struggle. It's funny.
• 20:33
  And what this movie does really well, Phil.
• 20:35
  Flows. Like a river.
• 20:39
  Yep. Don't argue you know rivers.
• 20:41
  Flow. Absolutely.
• 20:42
  Absolutely. Find me a river doesn't flow
• 20:44
  buddy. I don't think I can.
• 20:45
  There's a song called When the River Flows.
• 20:47
  Yeah, yeah, It's instrumental. It's on my playlist.
• 20:49
  Wonderful. What isn't on my playlist is
• 20:51
  Doctor Seuss. I am on fire today.
• 20:54
  Yeah, crushing it. Do you play pool?
• 20:56
  Yeah. You any good, pretty good sober
• 20:59
  or do you need to have a couple drinks into you?
• 21:01
  I have had a drink in 16 years for you.
• 21:04
  Trying to one up you guys. No, I'm fine as it is.
• 21:08
  Yeah, I was always better, like in the zone.
• 21:10
  That's what you like. I think it's a, well, I think
• 21:12
  it's a common thing if you talk to guys generally, like not too
• 21:15
  drunk, but there's a couple and I take the edge off.
• 21:17
  Yeah, I've never really had that trouble, but I've never been
• 21:19
  like that good. I'm like, I'm perfectly
• 21:21
  serviceable. Would you beat Uncle?
• 21:23
  Phil, probably. Yeah, With a stick.
• 21:26
  Gonna do a fight at a pool hall. Oh, really?
• 21:28
  Yeah. That was when I was drunk.
• 21:31
  That's why you quit. And I saw a guy stretching.
• 21:34
  OK. And I just could not let that
• 21:35
  abide. So I was in the corner watching
• 21:38
  this guy and his group of Bros and a couple of chicks and I
• 21:42
  just chirped him from across the room.
• 21:44
  Why is he stretching? Exactly.
• 21:45
  So I'm just like, what are you stretching for him, pussy,
• 21:49
  anyway? Just berating him over and over
• 21:51
  again. And everybody just kept looking
• 21:53
  at me. Well, I could.
• 21:54
  Have used you on that plane ride with that guy Yeah, turned
• 21:56
  around. That's right, break that guy.
• 21:58
  But yeah, I was a little more antagonistic, looking for a
• 22:00
  fight. Sometimes my group of guys was
• 22:03
  telling me to shut. Up a lot.
• 22:04
  You're like Woody Woodpecker little bit.
• 22:06
  Well shit. Disturber stirring the pot.
• 22:09
  Good for you. But anyways, this is just a
• 22:11
  great scene for Martin Sheen. Yeah, I guess the step up is the
• 22:15
  first moment in the. Movie he will not call him Andy.
• 22:17
  No, Mr. President all the way. I just love this relationship.
• 22:20
  He was the best man and he's wedding.
• 22:24
  Ironically, I don't like the name Andy.
• 22:26
  Oh, interesting. For a president, it sounds too
• 22:28
  casual. Gotcha.
• 22:30
  Didn't really fit Michael Douglas.
• 22:32
  Yeah, that's a nitpick. Imagine if it was MM Trevor
• 22:39
  perhaps? President Trevor, you think
• 22:42
  Richard? Richard, this is that other
• 22:44
  thing that's missing, obviously in the current state of affairs.
• 22:47
  So when you have this reverence for the presidency that you are
• 22:50
  Mr. President, it isn't Andy, it isn't Andrew, it isn't my buddy,
• 22:53
  it isn't my pal. You are the president.
• 22:55
  And in The West Wing, he gets everybody to call him that and
• 22:59
  he's like, it's not personal. It's not like to stroke my ego.
• 23:02
  It's just because I need to feel like I am that guy.
• 23:05
  I'm not Andy. When I'm making this decision, I
• 23:07
  am president. You want.
• 23:09
  Separate that. My love of The West Wing is so
• 23:11
  much ingrained into that, and obviously it's emanating from
• 23:13
  this movie originally. But we do find out that he wants
• 23:17
  to make a phone call. Yeah.
• 23:19
  To Annette Benning's character. Yeah, maybe slide a note and
• 23:22
  4th. Period.
• 23:23
  Exactly. Love that.
• 23:24
  So despite the fact that he will not call him Andy, he can be a
• 23:27
  little sarcastic. Yeah, you want a little nitpick
• 23:30
  though? I've got one.
• 23:31
  Oh yeah, I have two. More or less maybe.
• 23:33
  Three, I want to hear him, just out of curiosity.
• 23:35
  This one is 1, OK, he says. I wish you would call me Andy.
• 23:40
  And I think to myself, they've been friends, or at least he's
• 23:44
  been the president, if he's coming up on reelection for four
• 23:46
  years, three years or three years, you know, as you know, I
• 23:49
  get a little bump on things that are like.
• 23:52
  Oh, you've had this conversation?
• 23:53
  But like, this is the first time you've had this conversation
• 23:56
  despite the fact you've been in this role for four years and
• 23:58
  whatever. So it's a little bit of that
• 24:00
  like this is movie moment so that they can have this
• 24:03
  exchange. Oh, you're getting that?
• 24:05
  But ultimately, I'm like, come on, you have now been Mr.
• 24:10
  President three plus years. I always forget that you're not
• 24:13
  talking right now about why don't you call me Andy?
• 24:15
  No, you're not having that. Conversation once again for the
• 24:18
  final time. Could you call me Andy?
• 24:20
  We keep having this. Conversation every year we go
• 24:22
  around. Anyway, but they deliver it so
• 24:24
  well. Absolutely.
• 24:24
  There's no problem with it because it's it is.
• 24:26
  It's so perfectly executed. They can say whatever they want.
• 24:30
  I'm buying. I do think it's kind of cute
• 24:32
  that once he gets permission, seemingly from AJ, to reach out,
• 24:36
  he goes to the FBI to get the phone number.
• 24:39
  How did you find me? You know this and that.
• 24:41
  You dial this number and when you get the White House.
• 24:44
  Well, yeah, cause the problem is Richard is a riot.
• 24:46
  That's right. And that's her friend.
• 24:47
  Such a riot. And he makes prank phone calls
• 24:49
  apparently. That's right, he can do voices.
• 24:53
  It's a good exchange between the two of them, and it adds that
• 24:55
  chemistry and that kind of cuteness in this ROM com moment.
• 24:59
  It's one of the best phone call movie moments I've seen in a
• 25:02
  while. Wow, high praise.
• 25:04
  There you go. So many phone calls and Love
• 25:05
  Actually that you weren't a fan of.
• 25:07
  So exactly. I think only Phone Booth does it
• 25:10
  better. I know I've made that joke
• 25:12
  before doing it again. Yeah, sure.
• 25:15
  I watched this with my wife. I figured she'd like this movie.
• 25:18
  I said I got to watch this movie.
• 25:19
  I have to. I don't have a choice.
• 25:20
  It's like, is it a fill pick? It's like, yeah, I think I'm
• 25:23
  busy, but I really felt that she was going to enjoy the movie.
• 25:27
  But what she said about the scene is he didn't make his
• 25:30
  intentions clear. I thought, let me ask Phil, let
• 25:33
  me ask the professional movie watcher.
• 25:35
  I thought it was pretty clear that this was a date.
• 25:38
  Yeah, I think dinner pretty clear.
• 25:39
  What would the other intention? Be I'm not sure.
• 25:41
  What else would you invite someone over to the White House
• 25:44
  for? A ballroom?
• 25:45
  You know, like that Feels like that's a date.
• 25:47
  Don't know what else it would be.
• 25:48
  So we argued all night about that.
• 25:51
  That's her nitpick. Yeah, totally.
• 25:52
  I find their chemistry to be bang on.
• 25:54
  Let's just sort of blanket address it, yeah.
• 25:57
  Do you feel that this is a relatable or viable
• 26:02
  relationship? In the movie.
• 26:03
  Because you sometimes had questions with that stuff.
• 26:06
  Oh, these guys are supposed to be in a trunk or not.
• 26:07
  Yeah. My only thing I will question is
• 26:11
  it happened a little bit quick. 90 minute movie.
• 26:14
  Yeah, but I'm thinking they're doing everything else like bang
• 26:17
  on. Yeah.
• 26:18
  I mean, yeah, I'm going to enjoy this ride, I think.
• 26:21
  I think it helps that Annette Benning is beautiful.
• 26:23
  She has short hair, Phillip, as you could.
• 26:26
  I watched it. You watched it.
• 26:27
  You noticed that? And I'm not about the short
• 26:30
  hair, so I couldn't connect. And of course it's red, so you
• 26:34
  know how I feel about that. Absolutely.
• 26:36
  So it was like looking in the mirror and I wouldn't date
• 26:39
  myself about a million years. No, got a lot of.
• 26:42
  Problems, but I imagine he could find her attractive.
• 26:45
  I mean, I think in objective world you can look and say she's
• 26:47
  pretty. Yeah, even if it's not my type
• 26:49
  exactly. Would like to hope I'm mature
• 26:51
  case I could, yeah, I'm willing. So because of that, and he's
• 26:55
  obviously charming. And then you've got the all of
• 26:57
  the White House, the spectacle of it that a lot of all I find
• 26:59
  that that relationship to be pretty convincing.
• 27:02
  And certainly right away when they're at the ballroom doing
• 27:05
  all that dancing, I'm like, yeah, no wonder it's working.
• 27:08
  Well, it doesn't hurt that she could also speak French.
• 27:11
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she calls out that they
• 27:12
  look pretty bored and my God, did they rob Reiner's like, OK,
• 27:16
  guys look bored, Yes, and they nailed.
• 27:18
  It if one thing the French can. Do is look bored?
• 27:22
  Exactly. And we, if you will.
• 27:24
  And Esther can only speak Latin. That's very important.
• 27:27
  That's right. Now what's going on in the
• 27:28
  background while this beautiful scene is happening?
• 27:32
  We have established just before that Senator Rumson, he's sort
• 27:36
  of found the in. Now he's figured out a way
• 27:39
  Christmas has come early. They're looking for an angle for
• 27:43
  his campaign course. Absolutely.
• 27:45
  And now the president has a girlfriend and that, he says, is
• 27:48
  his in. His introduction, He's friendly,
• 27:51
  yeah. He doesn't say anything
• 27:52
  negative. No, not.
• 27:53
  Yet. But Richard Dreyfus, he's good
• 27:55
  at playing Swarmy. Totally.
• 27:57
  Like, I know that this guy is the antagonist.
• 27:59
  Yeah, without being given any dialogue to tell me he is.
• 28:02
  Yeah. I mean, that's good movie
• 28:03
  making. But of course.
• 28:04
  And his name didn't even pop up in the opening credits.
• 28:07
  No, it's a nice is. That, yeah.
• 28:09
  So if you can get the guy to play this relatively small role,
• 28:12
  this is going to elevate your movie that much more.
• 28:15
  I agree. I.
• 28:15
  Buy them as the senator and I buy them as the worst kind of
• 28:18
  type of person. So yeah, those two things he
• 28:21
  brings to the table that gravitas.
• 28:33
  So do you know any state flowers?
• 28:35
  I know you're a Canadian. You made that out really clear
• 28:38
  at the beginning of this episode and over the last five years.
• 28:40
  Well, I know the provincial flower, of course, the Trillium
• 28:42
  for us, for Ontario. Oh OK, I thought was the Beaver
• 28:46
  that is not a. Flower.
• 28:46
  That is not a flower, that's the animal.
• 28:48
  Right, yeah, and that's a Canadian thing, not so much a
• 28:51
  provincial thing. Moose the Loon.
• 28:57
  But no, I don't know any. State flowers, necessarily other
• 29:00
  than a dagwood, of course. Is it dagwood?
• 29:02
  I wrote down Dogwood. Dogwood.
• 29:04
  Was it Dogwood, which is also a tree?
• 29:06
  Thanks to David Paymer. Yeah, nowadays you just Google
• 29:10
  that some bitch, you're fine. But 95 you got to get 6 people
• 29:14
  on. It that's a cute little scene.
• 29:15
  It's cute and he wants to do it himself and I applaud that.
• 29:18
  He doesn't want to have somebody else do it.
• 29:20
  And Jeannie so. Confused.
• 29:22
  You don't just do this. I can do this.
• 29:24
  You just want the number. She can't fathom this.
• 29:27
  Situation totally she just plays out really well.
• 29:30
  She's great. Samantha Mathis of pump up the
• 29:32
  volume phase. Ohhh, there it is.
• 29:33
  That's wasn't. Sure.
• 29:35
  She's in a bunch of things. The American Psycho, actually,
• 29:37
  which I referred to yesterday, wasn't yesterday.
• 29:40
  Not even in real life it was. Recently.
• 29:43
  It's always a safe recently, but Robin and Lewis are pretty sure
• 29:47
  this is Sidney related. Yeah, sure.
• 29:50
  Look up the Virginian flower. Sure.
• 29:53
  But the president insists Sydney is not an issue.
• 29:56
  Nothing to worry. About unless it's something
• 29:57
  happening in Australia. So that was a a happy accident.
• 30:01
  When you're name choosing, yes, yes you can use that, not
• 30:05
  Sydney, NS. No, no, no, no, we established.
• 30:07
  You did mention there was. One.
• 30:09
  There is one, yeah. Absolutely.
• 30:10
  I knew that from Cross Country Canada, the old computer game.
• 30:12
  OK, I was on the map. Along with Flin Flon, Manitoba.
• 30:16
  Oh yeah, everyone loves the Flim flam.
• 30:18
  The whole purpose of this sending the flowers, of course,
• 30:21
  is to get another date. Of course, second date rules.
• 30:23
  That's why I never got a second date.
• 30:24
  That's right, forgot about the flower with the flowers.
• 30:27
  So we got her back at the White House.
• 30:29
  He came there to break it off. Yeah, let's not forget that.
• 30:32
  That's right. Crumbled.
• 30:33
  Thinks it's a bad idea? It is.
• 30:35
  It turns out to be. Well.
• 30:37
  But she shows up anyway and he gives it a $0.25 tour.
• 30:41
  Yeah. You can't break up with someone
• 30:43
  after the $0.25 tour. Is that a fact?
• 30:46
  Just doesn't. Happen.
• 30:46
  Why wouldn't break up with someone after a meatloaf night?
• 30:49
  I would give that at least 48 hours.
• 30:51
  Like, come on. They go around, they do the dish
• 30:54
  room, they talk about. I think it's a cute scene.
• 30:57
  It fortifies their relationship, but it's really a stopgap
• 31:00
  measure before we get into the next kind of meaty scene.
• 31:03
  Yeah, this is 1 where there's been an attack.
• 31:06
  Big tone change here, and it really gets a little darker, a
• 31:10
  little bit more meaningful and a little less jovial.
• 31:13
  Yeah. The right word.
• 31:14
  Jovial. Yeah.
• 31:15
  I mean. Little uptempo, certainly.
• 31:17
  Yeah, cause we're coming right off of their first kiss.
• 31:19
  Exactly. And then, you know, the Libyans
• 31:20
  bombing C is dead. Yeah, that's not good.
• 31:24
  No lesbians again. God damn.
• 31:26
  Michael J Fox and the Libyans. Let me tell you.
• 31:28
  But this is an amazing scene. Tell me why.
• 31:31
  Because he's just so presidential.
• 31:34
  Or not. Or not, it turns out.
• 31:36
  And also it made me realize that Stan could not be president.
• 31:39
  Who? Stan.
• 31:40
  Come on. Ohf.
• 31:41
  Stan Sir. From volcano, Yeah.
• 31:43
  Cause he's all worried about the little guy.
• 31:45
  So there's no way he's going to let Eddie Custodian die.
• 31:49
  Yeah. So he could not be president.
• 31:51
  No, certainly could not make this call.
• 31:53
  He couldn't. No, no.
• 31:55
  But in all seriousness, I just love the humanity that he brings
• 31:59
  to this moment. And he articulates this in the
• 32:01
  very next scene in the other room when David Paymer.
• 32:04
  Because you're doing something really presidential, we should
• 32:06
  take advantage of this. Yeah.
• 32:07
  That's the problem with politics, generally speaking, is
• 32:10
  that humanity is often stripped out, and you're trying to find
• 32:14
  big wins. You're trying to find
• 32:15
  opportunities to tout and pound your chest a little bit.
• 32:17
  And success. Absolutely.
• 32:19
  And they use the terms proportional response.
• 32:22
  They do this. So we do that.
• 32:23
  There's a certain element of this is so trivial.
• 32:27
  And the humanity of the writing and the performance of Douglas,
• 32:30
  where he gets to distill all of the gloating and the high fiving
• 32:34
  of success. Yeah, of this presidential move.
• 32:36
  You're gonna get a three-point bump because you're showing your
• 32:39
  strength of the country and yadda, yadda.
• 32:42
  The fundamental truth is some guy across the world has no idea
• 32:46
  that he's going to go and punch in for his work and in three
• 32:49
  hours he's going to be. Dead.
• 32:50
  And just to cap it off, when Sydney comes to see him, she
• 32:54
  says all you're having a bad day and like somebody's having a
• 32:56
  worse day. He doesn't get into details, but
• 33:00
  he's just carrying over that. It weighs on him.
• 33:02
  Yeah, exactly. That this does affect them out
• 33:05
  on a human level. Luckily he gets over it pretty
• 33:08
  quickly when she shows up in a white YEAH dress shirt.
• 33:11
  Did you see that coming? No, I mean you assume that
• 33:14
  there's gonna be some. Coitus to use the a Sheldon.
• 33:17
  Term There's two things about this scene I really like.
• 33:19
  The first is I think she's really cute in the shirt, who
• 33:21
  isn't exactly me. Not a good look on a man.
• 33:25
  But secondly, I like that he tries to preface this
• 33:29
  distinction between a I haven't done it in awhile and B the most
• 33:33
  powerful man in the world. That's a job, not a person.
• 33:36
  Translate into this. So I thought that was really
• 33:38
  clever and fun way to play it. Yeah.
• 33:40
  And it's very humbling for him to this moment.
• 33:42
  Yeah. And Douglas is not a guy that
• 33:43
  tends to play a lot of humble. Obviously, Wonder Boys, we did
• 33:46
  that. But he did 20 years of his
• 33:48
  career. Was being Gordon Gecko in Wall
• 33:50
  Street a guy that never fails, a guy that's the sexiest guy?
• 33:53
  Disclosure. And falling down.
• 33:55
  Exactly right. And obviously Wonder Boys later,
• 33:57
  but this one where he gets to be humbled enough to say that line
• 34:01
  as opposed to the sexual Dynamo that he was in Basic Instinct,
• 34:04
  just yeah, right. Like he's that guy and Fatal
• 34:07
  Attraction and so here he gets to be a different character,
• 34:10
  which is nice and. Refreshing.
• 34:11
  He's got range and if I didn't know that before Wonder Boys, I
• 34:15
  may not love that movie, but it wasn't because of his
• 34:18
  performance. He played that character really
• 34:20
  well. Totally, and it also sets up for
• 34:23
  another great scene. Yeah, your favorite?
• 34:25
  Actually, top three, he gets a phone call at 5:00 AM.
• 34:28
  I believe it is. Lewis comes in first, followed
• 34:30
  by Robin, perfectly timed. A little bit later.
• 34:34
  It's AJ. We're having an early start
• 34:36
  today, aren't we? Just those throwaway lines.
• 34:39
  And I just love the dynamic between these three people.
• 34:43
  Yeah, it's just perfect. And I love Douglas.
• 34:45
  I love what his character is doing as well and it's just a
• 34:48
  great. Scene Yeah, they're trying to
• 34:50
  protect him from the press who's camped out.
• 34:52
  And that's their instinct, right?
• 34:54
  But it's fine. Plays it really for laughs.
• 34:55
  And like you're saying, you get the sense these guys are all in
• 34:58
  it together, let's say. Yeah, did you like what he says
• 35:01
  to her? Say whatever you want.
• 35:02
  Yeah, of course. What's interesting, I think the
• 35:04
  movie is wrestling with fundamentally is that this is
• 35:07
  the politics is perception thing is that you can be quiet, but
• 35:10
  that space in that environment will get taken up by something
• 35:14
  else. Yes, that vacuum will be open.
• 35:17
  So I actually think it's really naive to think that this is no
• 35:21
  big deal. As he continues to say, and I
• 35:22
  get it's the movie. It's the point of the movie.
• 35:24
  He's in love, right? Yeah.
• 35:25
  And he's. Exactly.
• 35:26
  It's a personal thing. But when you're in this world,
• 35:28
  particularly in the 90s but certainly now, you don't get
• 35:32
  days off, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
• 35:34
  You are scrutinized morning, noon and night.
• 35:37
  You're in a Dyson sphere. Absolutely.
• 35:39
  Brand of a vacuum. OK in this space.
• 35:42
  Yeah. And it's a TNG reference.
• 35:44
  OK, you will not get. Absolutely not.
• 35:46
  But luckily none of our listeners will either.
• 35:49
  I'm sure one will. My brother will if he's
• 35:51
  listening. But setting that up and creating
• 35:55
  that vacuum is causing Shepherd's numbers to dip.
• 35:58
  I think eight points, I think it was.
• 36:00
  Something like that. He was so far ahead, right?
• 36:02
  He's not you. No problem. 61 approval rating,
• 36:04
  he can do whatever he wants. But throughout all of this,
• 36:07
  Rumson is working around, and they've got art.
• 36:09
  They do have parts. They have a picture of a burning
• 36:12
  flag and Sydney with that flag. Yes, she's present, certainly.
• 36:18
  Yeah, that could be problematic. The the one bit of naivete of
• 36:22
  this movie is that nobody seems to think anything is wrong.
• 36:25
  Michael Douglas. Yeah.
• 36:26
  That. Yeah, Yeah.
• 36:28
  Like his approach is whatever and everybody around him is
• 36:32
  saying it's a thing. And if the performances weren't
• 36:35
  as winning and the writing is strong, I think that would
• 36:38
  probably get to me. It would start to piss me.
• 36:40
  Yeah, I think so. I'm not a political Wiz.
• 36:43
  Like I pay attention so forth. But watching it, I think you're
• 36:47
  an idiot and at some point it would feel like you're an.
• 36:50
  Idiot, I think because he's in love.
• 36:54
  And I think love is blinding, so I don't.
• 36:56
  I don't think he's realizing his own naivety.
• 36:59
  Naivete. Naivete.
• 37:01
  Thank you, Phil, but it also isn't the first story, buddy.
• 37:03
  It's #3. Sure, with the bullet.
• 37:06
  It's alright, but this is also the moment where it's stopping
• 37:10
  for flowers. And Michael J Fox is like, no
• 37:13
  hopping. You you want to hop out and get
• 37:15
  some flowers? No hopping.
• 37:16
  Hopping in and out. Coopers like are we doing this?
• 37:18
  And he's like, do you think that someone has been camping out at
• 37:21
  the possibility? That the president is going to
• 37:22
  come into this, that's funny. This movie has moments of comedy
• 37:26
  that are just sprinkled throughout.
• 37:28
  It's really uplifting. Yeah, until now, really.
• 37:31
  Ultimately because they end up at camp.
• 37:32
  David, Camp David, I don't think he should be at Camp David
• 37:35
  watching TV. That's like being in New Zealand
• 37:37
  and watching Netflix. But I do appreciate the TV and
• 37:41
  the wood, like the classic. I joke with my wife said you
• 37:45
  want to visit Camp David? I can go get a tent, break it
• 37:48
  down the basement here. We can hang out.
• 37:50
  Camp David, you have a little giggle.
• 37:52
  Out of that, that's cute. It was cute.
• 37:54
  But ultimately, what isn't cute is Rumson calls Sidney a whore.
• 37:58
  Yeah, that wasn't very. Nice.
• 38:00
  Oh, my dad heard that. There's work.
• 38:03
  Yeah. And that's.
• 38:04
  Tough. I think the worst part is he
• 38:05
  still doesn't know if the Packers won.
• 38:07
  Yeah, that's. Important is probably not a now.
• 38:11
  Very strong team, buddy, strong team.
• 38:14
  But she does drop the album. Yes, I'm going to fumble this.
• 38:17
  She didn't really fumble it. Either not like the Packers
• 38:21
  killing left and right did a 95 lot of fumbling problems in 95
• 38:24
  but she loves him. But we realize throughout all of
• 38:27
  this she actually has a job. She works for Leo.
• 38:29
  She ends up revealing accidentally to AJ and Oh yeah,
• 38:34
  president at the Christmas party at the Christmas party that she
• 38:37
  had a meeting with the Motown 3 about this fairly and two other
• 38:41
  people. That's all I remember, Chelios.
• 38:45
  I'm a Guinness. But yeah, she makes a glib
• 38:47
  comment that the only bill that they hated more than the crime
• 38:51
  bill was this other one. Yeah, and that gets AJ
• 38:55
  percolating. I was a little bit confused at
• 38:57
  the politics of it. I don't quite get it, but I
• 38:59
  figured out that I second watch. I get it now.
• 39:01
  The math added up. You're going to sacrifice.
• 39:04
  The one bill in favor of the. Other I'm thinking, why can't
• 39:06
  you do both? Bills can't do it.
• 39:07
  And I realize I'm not a Bills fan.
• 39:10
  I'm a Patriots fan. But yeah, she seemed crabby too.
• 39:13
  She wasn't in a good. Mood.
• 39:14
  She just got torn up and down by the Motown.
• 39:17
  Three. Well, it's more about the Dupont
• 39:18
  Circle. Oh, that's true.
• 39:19
  That's hell. It's always hell.
• 39:21
  Can't get left put a pin in that by the way, but sets up the next
• 39:25
  wave of the movie. Ultimately, is now this.
• 39:27
  Race yeah, Sydney versus Lewis. Really.
• 39:29
  And then Lewis is on the down. So they're struggling to find
• 39:32
  the votes now for the crime bill.
• 39:34
  Yeah. And they have this knowledge in
• 39:36
  the back pocket. If it gets dicey, they can cash
• 39:39
  in. Yeah.
• 39:40
  Now we know it's going to get to that, of course.
• 39:42
  Movie making. Exactly.
• 39:43
  Come on, the energy picks up. I really like the vibe.
• 39:45
  And again, everybody is so winning and charming that I'm in
• 39:48
  this. Lewis isn't winning that phone
• 39:50
  call oht gosh papers like I hope that's not an undecided or you
• 39:54
  gotta work on your people skills.
• 39:55
  Chicken shit, lame ass vote your conscience.
• 39:58
  Yeah, but they're in the room together discussing and Shepherd
• 40:01
  is like, well, what about this guy?
• 40:02
  What about that guy? What about clerk?
• 40:04
  No, the other clerk and he's coming to the realization.
• 40:08
  That all those friends are leaving the homestead.
• 40:10
  Here, he's going to have to make a pretty big decision.
• 40:14
  But before he makes that decision, Phil to get a showcase
• 40:17
  scene from Michael J Fox. And I thought this was really
• 40:20
  powerfully written and really powerfully delivered and top
• 40:25
  three scenes. Alright, yeah, it's an excellent
• 40:28
  moment for the movie to again take a pause, reset the clock.
• 40:33
  Let's get serious. And Louis throughout the whole
• 40:35
  movie has been the poker, right? He's trying to prod the
• 40:39
  president into these positions and so far has been rebuffed and
• 40:44
  can't take it anymore. What does it tell you that your
• 40:46
  poll, your character values, your family values is being
• 40:49
  questioned? Yeah.
• 40:50
  And he's like, nothing. This poll isn't talking about my
• 40:52
  presidency, is talking about my life.
• 40:54
  And. Yeah.
• 40:54
  And everybody around him knows they're not separate when you're
• 40:57
  at that stage of the game. And Lewis having the battle of
• 41:00
  the the sand analogy. Yeah.
• 41:02
  They're seeking leadership. And it's as if they're in the
• 41:05
  Oasis and they'll drink the sand.
• 41:07
  And the absence of anything else, which is Rumson is the
• 41:10
  sand That's. Well, basically he's filling it
• 41:12
  up, right. In the absence of leadership,
• 41:15
  people will drink the sand. And you know, basically in the
• 41:17
  modern age, to me, it's the current situation exactly.
• 41:21
  People are feeling that disenchanted, disoriented,
• 41:23
  disenfranchised, frustrated, annoyed.
• 41:26
  And the previous president just didn't have the oratory skills
• 41:31
  to engage. He just wasn't a great
• 41:33
  communicator above all. And so when you're doing great
• 41:36
  things and you can't tell people you're doing great things, you
• 41:38
  can't communicate or you can't empathize with doing the wrong
• 41:41
  thing, have the humility to say that's the least presidential
• 41:44
  thing I've ever done. So it's a great scene.
• 41:46
  It allows for, let's say, some things that I think are really
• 41:49
  important generally. Cause he's a voter too, right?
• 41:51
  That's it. You're my president.
• 41:53
  But he starts it all off by saying I've never met a
• 41:55
  president who has a deeper love for this country.
• 41:58
  And I just love how he'll give it to him.
• 42:00
  But on both sides of things, totally.
• 42:02
  And it's all out of respect for the country.
• 42:04
  It's all out of respect for the presidency, the position, the
• 42:07
  person that this guy believes in, right?
• 42:09
  Not attacking him, but I love how AJ seems to try to keep a
• 42:13
  bit of a leash. Lewis I love that.
• 42:16
  Relationship. And that's the thing he says.
• 42:18
  You be quiet. He's not.
• 42:20
  Doesn't work for you. Yeah.
• 42:21
  So yes, he does. So just a great.
• 42:23
  Dynamic Great Dane everybody and Douglas shoots him down and says
• 42:27
  you know, they drink the same cause they don't know the
• 42:29
  difference. And when I was younger, I didn't
• 42:31
  really understand what that meant, to be honest.
• 42:33
  I wasn't a great comeback. But what I interpret that as is
• 42:37
  people are ignorant, generally speaking.
• 42:39
  It's not a judgment, it's just reality.
• 42:42
  We pay very little attention to these things or to the
• 42:45
  headlines, and we read the ditties and the whatever.
• 42:48
  Hey now, it's it was a good documentary.
• 42:53
  And those things get attention and they get go Fund Me's.
• 42:56
  And people are pledging millions of votes to American Idol, but
• 43:00
  you know, 36% of the population vote for president.
• 43:03
  I wish there was that high. Right like that kind of reality
• 43:06
  so they don't they drink the sand because they can't tell the
• 43:09
  difference like you're saying with Mr. T at 98.
• 43:11
  What is the difference between what is real and what is AI?
• 43:15
  What is it looks made-up fabricated alternate facts,
• 43:18
  which is a term we heard a lot of IN201617 right like this
• 43:22
  alternate facts. We've offered alternate versions
• 43:24
  like. Can't tell the difference.
• 43:26
  I went to an exhibition in Melbourne and it was this whole
• 43:29
  thing at the library on misinformation.
• 43:31
  Oh yeah, that was quite interesting.
• 43:33
  Could you trust it? That's right.
• 43:36
  I know. At least it's out there like
• 43:38
  people are recognizing that this is an issue and we need to.
• 43:42
  Address it well, at least people in Australia.
• 43:43
  Are fighting it out well they're the ones they're putting laws
• 43:46
  against kids being on social media and it's like would you
• 43:48
  give a drivers license to a 12 year old no no one argues the
• 43:52
  fact that. You're unable to process the
• 43:55
  real world and at that age or whatever.
• 43:57
  But people think, no, you're the freedom of you shouldn't be
• 43:59
  putting rules like you have no problem with a drivers license,
• 44:03
  people have no problem with the drinking age.
• 44:05
  So why do you have a problem with an age on Internet use and
• 44:08
  things like that? I agree, it's crazy.
• 44:10
  I don't know if I would have survived living in.
• 44:12
  This. Oh, in the current state, no.
• 44:14
  Yeah, if I had the cell phone. 12 years old, brains already
• 44:17
  fried. Yeah, like video games did
• 44:19
  enough. That's it, 100%.
• 44:20
  All the distractions. I feel the same way at 46, and I
• 44:23
  at least had a solid 25 years, really before I even picked up a
• 44:27
  phone, you know, I would have been toast.
• 44:29
  Yeah. A lack of.
• 44:31
  Education and awareness and commitment to knowledge is a
• 44:36
  slippery slope. Sydney is having.
• 44:48
  A party? Yeah, they're going gangbusters.
• 44:51
  Except premature. Little premature Leo's got a
• 44:54
  message. Doesn't go well.
• 44:56
  No, no, she gets fired. That's it.
• 44:58
  And she storms over to the White House to confront the president,
• 45:01
  to say, look, I got the numbers. Yeah, what happened?
• 45:04
  I got screwed. You know what happened.
• 45:06
  He was a dork. He was being a dork, totally.
• 45:10
  And he needs to apologize. Yes, he doesn't.
• 45:12
  She's trying to Hartford. Yeah, she's out of a job.
• 45:15
  Go. Wailers.
• 45:17
  He asked why, and of course, she explains, I got fired.
• 45:20
  That's what happens when an entire reason for being is
• 45:23
  eliminated and one fell swoop. Yeah, he did not deal with this
• 45:25
  very well. You're paying so little
• 45:27
  attention to the media, which is your political life, and you're
• 45:30
  clearly misjudging your personal life.
• 45:34
  Then you're kind of terrible. You know, it just does it so.
• 45:37
  Well, yeah, I think the balancing act of everything you
• 45:40
  just got in too deep, Phil. That's right.
• 45:41
  That's what love. Does 100%.
• 45:43
  It does so ultimately ends up screwing her over.
• 45:47
  Screwing over the. Environments.
• 45:49
  That's right. Nothing, Not her.
• 45:50
  Nothing happened her. That's right.
• 45:52
  You get fired. She didn't lose her job, have to
• 45:54
  move to Hartford. Yeah, that's a little short
• 45:55
  sighted of him in that moment. I like read the room.
• 45:59
  Yeah. Right, you have a little respect
• 46:01
  here. Yeah, I think he just picked off
• 46:03
  a little bit more than he could chew here with running the
• 46:06
  country and trying to being in this new relationship.
• 46:08
  It's not as easy as it. Looks.
• 46:10
  It's really hard to be president and get flowers.
• 46:15
  That's very hard to. Do it's very hard to do, but
• 46:16
  what one person that has been telling him this basically since
• 46:20
  the beginning is AJ. His right hand.
• 46:22
  Man, right hand man. Yeah, Chief of staff, another
• 46:25
  absolutely top three. Oh yeah, I.
• 46:28
  Played the trifecta. Here, Yeah, I think so.
• 46:30
  And this one does get a little more personal.
• 46:33
  Maybe not in terms of calling him Andy, but shots are fired.
• 46:37
  I love it. Indicating.
• 46:38
  How's the view? From the cheap seats.
• 46:40
  And then AJ comes back. You would not be here if it
• 46:43
  wasn't for me. There's a lot of dialogue, can't
• 46:45
  repeat it because it's so damn good.
• 46:47
  So I trust watched the movie totally.
• 46:49
  See, I'm sure you have the people listening, but this is a
• 46:52
  showcase moment of that and the F bomb gets dropped.
• 46:56
  Yeah, it's the, it's the one. Is it the one on a PG movie?
• 46:58
  Absolutely. Delivered.
• 46:59
  It's perfect. Yeah.
• 47:01
  This whole scene is perfection. Top to bottom, it's really
• 47:04
  great. And you really get the bubbling
• 47:05
  over of the mistakes that the conversations that haven't been
• 47:08
  had in the last six weeks of the movie.
• 47:10
  Right. Exactly.
• 47:11
  And like a volcano erupt. Exactly.
• 47:13
  You get it. You get it.
• 47:15
  It's really powerful. Love it.
• 47:16
  And it was a scene that I remember very, very fondly from
• 47:18
  the first time being moved by it.
• 47:20
  And you've talked before about watching movies, the ones you've
• 47:22
  seen a number of times. You're counting down like, give
• 47:25
  me the scene, the scene, This is it.
• 47:26
  This is one of them, one of the a couple.
• 47:28
  But that really resonates. And it still holds up because it
• 47:31
  finishes off with the softness of if Mary hadn't died, would we
• 47:36
  have won? Yes.
• 47:37
  Like this is moments after the FU.
• 47:40
  And that's a chip on your shoulder, right?
• 47:41
  Like if he's saying that, that means on some level he's doubted
• 47:45
  that. Yeah.
• 47:46
  And I think that that's a character piece that up until
• 47:48
  now, it's like, oh, we didn't know that part.
• 47:51
  And I like that it's revealed the last 20 minutes of the
• 47:54
  movie. And I like.
• 47:54
  It and that all made sense. What didn't make sense to me is
• 47:57
  what AJ says about running that campaign had Mary not died.
• 48:03
  And he says it would have been great if my friend Andy showed
• 48:06
  up. Yeah, I don't understand.
• 48:07
  That, but it still affected me the same if I didn't know what
• 48:10
  he meant versus if I knew what he meant.
• 48:11
  Like it still got me. Yeah, it's like the sand.
• 48:14
  It's like, I don't know what that means.
• 48:15
  It's that feels profound sounds. I am eating sand.
• 48:18
  I'm eating sand. Sometimes in my dreams I eat
• 48:21
  glass. And it just means I'm really
• 48:23
  thirsty. I'm trying to get glass out of
• 48:24
  my mouth. I wake up, I just, I'm really
• 48:26
  perched. Interesting.
• 48:27
  Yeah. And of course, that leads us to
• 48:28
  the big speech. That's right #4 on your.
• 48:32
  To limit it to three, which is just silly of me because there
• 48:36
  is like 5678 scenes that are all awesome and interchangeable to
• 48:41
  how they land in order. It's a great moment.
• 48:44
  We get him finally asserting himself in the fight with AJ.
• 48:47
  Talks about does he? Has he lied?
• 48:49
  Has he said anything wrong? Other than Stanford and Harvard
• 48:51
  and Harvard, but. Other than that, none of these
• 48:53
  things are wrong. So how can I fight back against
• 48:56
  it? Yeah.
• 48:56
  And I think you're feeling a bit helpless if you're like, well, I
• 48:59
  can't really defend the position because he's right.
• 49:01
  A president who never served, yadda, yadda, yadda.
• 49:04
  But in this moment, he's fed up with it all.
• 49:05
  Aging shakes him up, I guess. And he has this press conference
• 49:08
  that he barges in on. He's not.
• 49:10
  Supposed to be, but he'll get away with.
• 49:11
  It of course and he gets to have his speech now, which is which I
• 49:15
  think is even more true now than before.
• 49:18
  And it certainly explains at least 1/2 of the government
• 49:21
  presently at plays which is there don't care about anything.
• 49:25
  They just wanna make you scared of it and who to blame for it.
• 49:28
  I mean that is the entire Republican platform for decades
• 49:32
  and they don't have solutions to anything, right?
• 49:35
  You want a healthcare? This is the worst healthcare
• 49:37
  ever. You're going to die from it.
• 49:38
  It's a death pit and nothing better for you.
• 49:40
  And it's been now almost 20 years and they have no answer to
• 49:45
  this big problem. Not a priority.
• 49:47
  That means you're an idiot. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Anyway, so that speech I think, again, resonated in 95,
• 49:52
  certainly. But I think it is sadly like,
• 49:55
  emotionally devastating hearing it now.
• 49:58
  And he accepts that it's all about character.
• 50:00
  That's it. That's a 180.
• 50:02
  But what are you thinking earlier?
• 50:03
  But. Luckily, he doesn't think Bob
• 50:05
  could sell it. That's right.
• 50:07
  That's right. Which I wish was.
• 50:09
  Not that he didn't get it, it's that he couldn't sell.
• 50:11
  It and I wish people wouldn't buy it.
• 50:13
  Yeah, people are buying though. Definitely a buy economy.
• 50:16
  I found this speech to be a little bit better.
• 50:19
  And Hugh Grants, because we've done another speech relatively
• 50:23
  recently. Yeah, sure.
• 50:24
  Obviously, it's not intended to be so impactful.
• 50:26
  Yeah. But this is an incredibly well
• 50:29
  written speech. As they should be.
• 50:31
  Yeah. Sorkin.
• 50:32
  It's certainly a Sorkin. And I'm going to tell you
• 50:34
  something here. Phil, please.
• 50:36
  I teared up at this moment. Wow.
• 50:38
  It was that part of the speech. OK.
• 50:40
  The camera turns to AJ and Lewis, and AJ just gives Lewis
• 50:45
  this tap on the shoulder. That's your bill.
• 50:48
  That's right, yeah. He's been pushing for that.
• 50:50
  But the handguns, this is a win for you.
• 50:53
  It got me because I love their relationship.
• 50:56
  The whole movie AJ and Lewis floored.
• 50:58
  Me, I'm impressed that it managed to get a tier.
• 51:01
  Even the second time I watched. It Oh, wow, that's right.
• 51:03
  I think it's definitely a beautiful moment.
• 51:05
  That's a subtle kind of bit of like you did it, buddy.
• 51:08
  Like I like that too. That relationship is very clear.
• 51:11
  That coupled with this rousing speech of I'm Andy Sheppard and
• 51:14
  I am the president as opposed to I'm running for president,
• 51:17
  right, which is a nice little callback.
• 51:20
  Cap it off. We gotta write a whole new State
• 51:21
  of the Union. 35 minutes. Yeah, I thought I had to be
• 51:24
  right. Yeah.
• 51:25
  It's sort of a cute way to put a little button on it and sort of
• 51:29
  the last 20 minutes. Pretty powerful stuff.
• 51:31
  There's almost nothing better. But there's one thing left that
• 51:34
  needs to be addressed. Wrapped up.
• 51:36
  Sure, put a bow on it, says Relationship.
• 51:40
  Did he just put that bill in the drawer for love?
• 51:42
  Let's find out. Let's find out.
• 51:45
  He's got to make up to her, and it may require a lot of
• 51:49
  groveling. I love a grovel because, you
• 51:52
  know, I've groveled a lot. He's trying to get a Chevy and
• 51:55
  he's planning this whole thing going to her house.
• 51:58
  Fortunately for us as an audience, she just shows up.
• 52:01
  Save us a lot of hassle and they will ultimately, I think they.
• 52:06
  Going to make. It they mend and they both say I
• 52:09
  didn't do it for this reason, I didn't do this for you and it's
• 52:13
  a nice moment. I don't buy it.
• 52:15
  You really? I think they did it for love.
• 52:17
  Maybe they did. Cares.
• 52:19
  It's nice that they make up. I really do appreciate that I
• 52:21
  just by the time that speech is over, I almost don't care as
• 52:26
  much about the relationship piece.
• 52:28
  It makes sense of course, but like I'm so rallied up by.
• 52:32
  The politics side, that the personal side was a little less
• 52:35
  than interesting. Well, you must have liked the
• 52:37
  fact that they have their moment and it's cut short with Lewis
• 52:40
  walking in, Robin walks in, Jeannie, maybe.
• 52:44
  And then we're just, we're just like back to business.
• 52:46
  They only have like 10 seconds of their moment.
• 52:49
  That's it. And I just think that's a
• 52:50
  perfect. It's great.
• 52:51
  There's two endings to this movie.
• 52:53
  We got and the personal and you and the.
• 52:55
  Exactly. If I can take the personal,
• 52:57
  please, you can take the professional.
• 52:59
  He finally presents roses to Sydney.
• 53:01
  Yes, he does. And she says how did you finally
• 53:04
  figure out how to be a president and get flowers?
• 53:07
  And he says, turns out I have a Rose Garden and like that is
• 53:13
  just a perfect. Line to cap that relationship
• 53:17
  because it does have a Rose Garden.
• 53:19
  Or did. Luckily they can do more
• 53:21
  ballroom dancing. Oh yeah, now that the Rose
• 53:24
  garden is gone. That's good.
• 53:26
  It just makes me sad. But anyways, I love that line.
• 53:30
  It's a good. Line it's a nice way to cap off
• 53:32
  that relationship for sure now you bring home with the business
• 53:35
  side of things. Well just the last bit of the
• 53:37
  movie is him walking into the Congress for the State of the
• 53:40
  Union where the guy just yells out welcome the president of
• 53:47
  the. I just thought how he delivered
• 53:49
  that was a little. Strange.
• 53:50
  I think it's odd, but it's. Great, I'm guessing that's what
• 53:53
  they're supposed to do. They do an introduction to the
• 53:54
  president and welcome him to the State of the first.
• 53:57
  Somebody invites him. You have to be invited to the
• 53:58
  State of the Union and then you show.
• 53:59
  Up. I love the energy.
• 54:00
  Yeah, it's great. Yeah, this delivery, I was like.
• 54:03
  Great performance. This is a great movie, David,
• 54:06
  for all the emotional reasons in the mix of it, the politics of
• 54:09
  it. Obviously Rob Reiner, my
• 54:11
  affinity for the West. It was really nice.
• 54:13
  It felt very comfortable to come back into this world after so
• 54:17
  many years. It just felt like the right
• 54:19
  choice for bittersweet time. It wasn't at first.
• 54:22
  It certainly turned that way after the events of Rob Reiner's
• 54:26
  death. But up until then, I was just
• 54:28
  excited to watch a movie that I love and then watch it deepens
• 54:32
  afterwards. And then again as a balm, if you
• 54:34
  will, to the shitty president that's going on.
• 54:38
  That contrast, I feel formally to it.
• 54:40
  What are your thoughts now? Coming in?
• 54:42
  It brought a tear, so it must have or three at least.
• 54:44
  It must have done something. For I love this movie.
• 54:47
  I'm serious at the beginning where I said this might be the
• 54:49
  best movie that I've watched off your shelf.
• 54:51
  Shocked, but pleased. Yeah.
• 54:53
  And it reaffirms my love for Michael Douglas.
• 54:57
  Like watching Wonder Boys. That's not really the Douglas
• 54:59
  I'm looking for. I had no issue with it.
• 55:01
  Sure. But frumpy Douglas is not your.
• 55:02
  Guy exactly. And it's been so long since I'd
• 55:05
  watch Romancing the Stone example as a kid, and I haven't
• 55:10
  watched a lot of Michael Douglas movies.
• 55:11
  So I'm excited that there's a lot more on your shelf, I
• 55:14
  imagine. And I will get some on my shelf
• 55:16
  if I need to. And with the rest of the
• 55:18
  supporting cast and the writing of Aaron Sorkin, like, I will
• 55:22
  seek out more Sorkin's because I don't think you get that quality
• 55:25
  of writing anymore. Scarce.
• 55:27
  Yeah, it's very unique, he wrote.
• 55:29
  Moneyball. That makes more sense to me.
• 55:31
  If you connect that to my God, I love that movie.
• 55:34
  One of my top three movies of all time, actually.
• 55:37
  It's just a beautifully written story.
• 55:39
  I absolutely love it. Would I have it on my shelf?
• 55:42
  The one reason why I would say no is I've watched it.
• 55:45
  Nice. I'm glad I did.
• 55:47
  What? I wanna watch it again.
• 55:48
  It's hard to say when you've just watched yours, but it does
• 55:51
  make me sad to know that is so far from the current reality of
• 55:57
  the political world in the West anywhere.
• 56:00
  Totally. For those two hours I feel
• 56:02
  great, but I don't know if I want to feel that bad
• 56:06
  afterwards. It's totally reasonable, like
• 56:08
  the hangover if you will. So that would be the only reason
• 56:11
  why I may not be on my shelf. That's a really good point,
• 56:13
  David, and I kind of agree. I certainly felt more
• 56:17
  susceptible to the damage, as it were, of the world outside of
• 56:22
  the bubble of this movie. When you're watching it, you're
• 56:24
  going, this guy's a genius, really making it work and
• 56:27
  knowing that he will not make more movies.
• 56:30
  Yeah, that's the the film side of it, and then the political
• 56:33
  side. I'm watching The West Wing again
• 56:35
  in part because of that respite. I need that gap.
• 56:39
  But then you read the news and you're just like, well, what the
• 56:41
  fuck? It's all.
• 56:41
  Hopeless. You want to live inside the
• 56:43
  West? Wing Yeah, it's a real tough
• 56:44
  situation, but I'm happy to revisit the movie.
• 56:46
  Glad you enjoyed it so much. That warms my heart because it's
• 56:49
  been five years since you said anything complimentary of any of
• 56:52
  my. Movies.
• 56:53
  So that's sort of like when in season. 2 So that's a, that's a
• 56:57
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• 56:58
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