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10-19-26 Hour 3 - CFB 24-team playoff format/Prime positive after CU loss/Keys to the Game, "Afraid of Standards" · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Five o'clock tonight against the flyers. We'll get keys to
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  Speaker 2: the game here in about 20 minutes. Now, um, we
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  Speaker 2: go back to something from the beginning of the show.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about the crazy weekend in college football,
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  Speaker 2: that number one, number two, number six, number seven, I'll
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  Speaker 2: go down. Number three was on the brink. Um, Indiana
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  Speaker 2: and Ohio State was a four versus five game, and
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  Speaker 2: Indiana was half a foot away from beating Ohio State,
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  Speaker 2: which would have been an upset despite the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Indiana was at home. My question is this. The expansion
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  Speaker 2: to a 24-team playoff, does it take away from weekends
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  Speaker 2: like that if this happened next year versus 24 teams?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it does. It just does.
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  Speaker 2: I think you would still have the, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: like I can't believe the upsets, but the ramifications for
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  Speaker 2: the losses would be different. Now, I think all of
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  Speaker 2: these teams that we mentioned, are any of them out
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  Speaker 2: of the playoff now? Is Texas probably the closest one?
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  Speaker 4: Texas and Alabama have no more room for error, although,
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  Speaker 4: you know, given the history, Alabama may move up in
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  Speaker 4: the rankings.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Bama's other loss was to Georgia, which was, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Georgia losing.
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  Speaker 4: There's always an excuse for Alabama. There's always a built-in excuse.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying Texas lost to unranked Oklahoma and then this one,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different.
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  Speaker 3: Just in your response, you gave Alabama two excuses.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Alabama lost to Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: Georgia lost to unranked Auburn. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: You and me both, I get it. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: it's right, but you and me both said when they
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  Speaker 2: lost to Georgia, it felt like a mulligan game for
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  Speaker 2: either one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Brett. It did. We are, 20 years from now, we're
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  Speaker 3: all going to be getting together to have a brewski
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  Speaker 3: or something. He's still going to be going. How many
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  Speaker 3: mulligans is Alabama going to get?
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  Speaker 2: No, they don't get one for this. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, there's a difference in the way you lose, by
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  Speaker 3: the way. Hold on. There's a difference. Losing and then
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  Speaker 3: losing the way Alabama did, they got beat.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: They got beat up. Yes, they did. Some teams lose
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  Speaker 3: at the buzzer. Some teams lose by the.
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  Speaker 4: Hair of their chinny-chin-chin. That's the second year in a
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  Speaker 4: row Alabama has gotten beat up.
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  Speaker 2: No, they got fried.
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  Speaker 3: And they still get in.
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  Speaker 2: They had 200 yards of offense in that game.
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  Speaker 3: And they still get in.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I don't think that should happen.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we'll see. But here's a bigger question. Just
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  Speaker 2: overall in the 2014 playoff thing, like just for reference,
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  Speaker 2: let's just take the AP Top 25 right now. The
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  Speaker 2: 24th ranked team in the country is Northwestern. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: they get in, right? Here's what I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a fan of expanding this to 24. 12 felt
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  Speaker 2: like a good number to me. You have a chance
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  Speaker 2: for maybe an upset early, but these are the teams
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  Speaker 2: that can win. But to make comparisons here, In the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA tournament, there's 68 teams. 68 teams cannot win the
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  Speaker 2: national title. But we're fine with that because there's the
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  Speaker 2: chance of like a 15 seed upsetting somebody, right? That's
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  Speaker 2: what makes it fun. But what's different about college basketball
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  Speaker 2: is when UMBC beat Virginia, I had no idea that
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  Speaker 2: was a college. I didn't know who the players were.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was fun that this team that
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of made some run. If Northwestern wins,
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  Speaker 2: like if they beat whatever the first game would be,
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  Speaker 2: them versus, I don't know, Ole Miss or something, would
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  Speaker 2: that be a fun little upset? Yeah, but it'd still
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  Speaker 2: be like, well, it's Northwestern. They were okay this year,
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good team.
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  Speaker 4: I think what you're trying to say is the expansion
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  Speaker 4: of the college football playoff to 24 teams, the only
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  Speaker 4: thing expanded is more teams from the power line. from
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  Speaker 4: the big two conferences. That's the only expansion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, half of the Big Ten and the SEC are in.
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  Speaker 3: That's all that is.
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  Speaker 4: You're not expanding it to the world here. You're not
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  Speaker 4: expanding it to the Wyomings of the world or the CSUs.
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  Speaker 4: You're simply expanding it to Illinois, Kentucky, A & M,
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  Speaker 4: Mississippi State. You're just making it more likely that those
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  Speaker 4: schools get in. That's all you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: But my question is this, Moj, like for you. We're
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  Speaker 2: okay with that in the NCAA tournament. Are you okay
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  Speaker 2: with that in college football? Are you okay with the
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  Speaker 2: idea of like, hey, we're going to expand this and
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  Speaker 2: maybe we get some upsets early and that can be fun?
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be a hypocrite, though. I've always maintained, look,
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  Speaker 3: there's no school. 12 is fine for me. The 14th
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  Speaker 3: ranked team in the country is not going to win
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  Speaker 3: the national championship.
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  Speaker 2: That would be Houston right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Houston's not making a run to win the title. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but the 9th and 10th game. Yeah, okay, Boise State
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  Speaker 3: is 21. They're not going to make some sort of
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  Speaker 3: a run to a natty. That's just not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what? It's not going to happen in
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  Speaker 3: college basketball either. I mean, rarely do you see... What's the.
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  Speaker 2: Highest seed that's ever won the NCAA tournament?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's North Carolina State. Vic, were they a 12? No,
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  Speaker 3: I think they were an 8. I think they were
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  Speaker 3: an 8.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 8 seed Villanova in 1985.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, what about, what was NC State in 83? What
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  Speaker 3: were they? I think they were like seven. I think they.
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  Speaker 3: Were they a seven seed?
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  Speaker 4: They had to beat a couple of really good teams
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  Speaker 4: to get there. You know, the difference in college football.
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  Speaker 2: There were six.
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  Speaker 3: There were six. It really is, guys. Guys, college football
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  Speaker 3: is when you get hot.
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  Speaker 6: Like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Last year, Miami got hot, right? Miami got hot. But
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  Speaker 4: Boise State just does. Notre Dame got hot the year
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  Speaker 4: before that. It's when you get hot.
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  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but to win one game is one thing. You
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  Speaker 3: have a quarterback or a running back who goes off and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Boise State beats Oklahoma in whatever the bowl
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  Speaker 3: that was. But it doesn't diminish. Those teams got hot.
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  Speaker 3: They won four games to get to the national title.
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  Speaker 3: But you're talking about basketball. I'm talking about football. Boise
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  Speaker 3: State ain't going to make a run to it. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I disagree. I think the top ten can probably do it,
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  Speaker 3: and that's probably about it. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: The number ten ranked team can get hot and win
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  Speaker 4: a national championship easily.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even a discussion. Easily.
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  Speaker 2: Can I make another argument? I'm not saying I believe
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  Speaker 2: in this. It's just asking the question to see what
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  Speaker 2: you guys think. As far as the NCAA regular season
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  Speaker 2: is going to be watered down, Right? That's the discussion here.
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  Speaker 2: You move to 24 teams, now all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: the losses that we saw this weekend, they don't mean
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  Speaker 2: as much. Well, the Jags, they can win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: They just lost to the Texans. We don't care. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the NFL's still fun every week. Every game feels like
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  Speaker 2: it has huge impact. Like, what's the difference?
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  Speaker 4: I think what you're asking, the question you want to
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  Speaker 4: ask is this. When they move to 24, will it
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  Speaker 4: embolden teams enough to make their schedules tougher or easier?
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  Speaker 2: I think that has to be a prerequisite to this.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do the cupcake thing the first three weeks
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  Speaker 2: without playing.
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  Speaker 5: A tough game.
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  Speaker 3: But how do you know that, though?
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  Speaker 4: Here's the problem with college football. These schedules are made
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  Speaker 4: years in advance. Years in advance. How do you know
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  Speaker 4: where a team is going to be ranked? How do
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  Speaker 4: you know where your opposition is going to be when
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  Speaker 4: you make that schedule years in advance?
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  Speaker 3: If you're Alabama and you're scheduling Middle Tennessee State in 2032,
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  Speaker 3: you know. No FCS schools. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: You can give them like one, one a year, something
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  Speaker 2: like that. They can do that.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. Everybody likes to make fun
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  Speaker 3: of Notre Dame schedule.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to compare Notre Dame schedule right now
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  Speaker 4: to Miami's.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Do it. Do it. I dare you. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Do it. We've already been through this. Notre Dame schedule
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  Speaker 3: is tougher than Miami's. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So it's all perception. It's all BS. It's what you
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  Speaker 4: think it's going to look like. You just don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You just don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, the other thing, too, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: is at the end of the day, I'm sick of excuses.
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  Speaker 4: And I think I'm going to speak. My team lost
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  Speaker 4: and everybody's all pass interference or clock.
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  Speaker 3: None of that matters.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't leave a doubt. I wanted my team to
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  Speaker 4: beat them so there was no doubt. They didn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Take the loss and move on.
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  Speaker 2: BYU looked good.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: BYU deserves all the credit in the world. There's no
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  Speaker 4: shame in losing there.
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  Speaker 3: You lost. Boom. There's no excuse. I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about interference. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to hear about referees. Second on the clock.
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  Speaker 3: BS. It's over.
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  Speaker 4: You got beat. You had a chance to go in
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  Speaker 4: there and cancel all the people that wanted you done.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't do it. The end.
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  Speaker 2: I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: But Alabama? Alabama? You didn't lose by a whisker. You
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  Speaker 3: got your ass kicked. Yeah. You got your ass kicked.
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  Speaker 3: You know what the echo's going to be? The echo chamber?
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but they lost to an SEC team.
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  Speaker 2: Who's that guy?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Bama went to... Yeah, shut up. You mean
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  Speaker 3: to tell me.
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  Speaker 4: That the environment in Tennessee is tougher than the environment
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  Speaker 4: in Provo the other night?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is what I love, Vic. I love this. Texas...
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  Speaker 2: Five years ago was, oh, well, Texas is only good
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  Speaker 2: because the Big 12 sucks. Texas, who's number one in
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  Speaker 2: the SEC, is now part of the SEC tried and
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  Speaker 2: true tough schedule.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so tired.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one thing I'm so tired of more than anything.
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  Speaker 4: So Indiana loses at home to Ohio state. Does it,
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  Speaker 4: is Indiana afforded the same assurance?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it took Indiana. If Indiana didn't win the natty
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  Speaker 2: last year, people would still think that Indiana is a
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  Speaker 2: fluky team with a, an inflated record against bad opponents.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they think. Tell me I'm wrong on that.
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  Speaker 2: Like if, if they didn't win the national title, Remember,
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  Speaker 2: two years ago, they went 11-1. They barely lost to
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State. That was their one loss on the year.
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  Speaker 2: And people were like, yeah, but I mean, Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't good in 1994, so why would they be
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  Speaker 2: good now? To defend your Irish for a second.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need defense because I'm mad that they lost.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about that. This is 100. I have never
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  Speaker 2: said anything more factual in this show than what I'm
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  Speaker 2: about to say. So listen closely. If the roles were reversed,
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  Speaker 2: if BYU was down four and one second was left
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  Speaker 2: on the clock.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God, the world would be on fire.
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  Speaker 2: The game ended. There would be, the entire college football
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  Speaker 2: world would be yelling, rigged, conspiracy, trying to do Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame a favor from last year. That would be the
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  Speaker 2: entire discussion today. And I'm going to tell you this
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  Speaker 2: right now as a part of our intellectually honest show.
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  Speaker 3: That we have. You'd be doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I would be beating the charge on that discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely you would be.
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  Speaker 5: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: I would be.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want to be fair and point out
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  Speaker 2: that it's ridiculous that they didn't get an extra play.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that Notre Dame would win, but I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe, because the same thing that we did earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the year, Moj, what did we all say against
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  Speaker 2: Michigan and Western Michigan? If Western Michigan, if that was them,
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  Speaker 2: they would never have gotten an extra play.
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  Speaker 3: That is correct. Because it's true. They would not have.
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  Speaker 2: So I say that in fairness. I say that in fairness.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I'm pointing out. I would be leading the
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  Speaker 2: charge of conspiracy and kill the NCAA if the shoe
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  Speaker 2: was on the other foot today.
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  Speaker 3: And, Vic, I'd be all over you so hard you
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  Speaker 3: can't believe it. I would be just drilling you today
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  Speaker 3: if it was reversed. Drilling you.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, that's why even if you win that game, I'm
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  Speaker 4: still somewhat not ashamed, but somewhat, like, not satisfied, right?
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  Speaker 4: You know, anything with the Broncos win, it's... A win's
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  Speaker 4: a win. Everybody wants to talk about a win. But
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  Speaker 4: there has to be a degree of satisfaction. If you
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  Speaker 4: win that way in the final game of the season,
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  Speaker 4: different story. When there's a lot of season to play,
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  Speaker 4: you can rebound from that.
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  Speaker 6: You're fine.
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  Speaker 3: I want to say this. I think the Irish, I
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  Speaker 3: think their helmets are a little too shiny nowadays. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: They're too gold. It's too gold.
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  Speaker 4: What do you guys think see you being in that game,
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  Speaker 4: staying in that game, a chance to win that game?
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  Speaker 4: Against a damn good team. Last I checked, let's see,
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  Speaker 4: where is Utah ranked?
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  Speaker 3: 10 this week. Right now, they are currently ranked 10th.
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  Speaker 3: And 9th in the coaches poll.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, none of these polls mean a damn
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  Speaker 4: thing until the CFP poll comes out.
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  Speaker 3: So you can have fun with all your polls.
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  Speaker 2: Until we get the experts out and they tell us
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  Speaker 2: what teams are good.
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  Speaker 3: Technically, these polls mean nothing. I don't even know why
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  Speaker 3: they do polls anymore. What do they mean? Because they
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  Speaker 3: mean absolutely nothing until the CFP comes out.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a narrative.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who cares to quote Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 4: So these polls are out, and nobody really should pay
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  Speaker 4: attention to them because they mean nothing. Miami is the
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  Speaker 4: only team ranked. Yeah, Miami's ranked number one in both polls,
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  Speaker 4: and rightfully so, even though Miami needed some fortune to
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  Speaker 4: win at the end of their game.
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  Speaker 2: Can I share a quick anecdote with you guys that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to really enjoy, especially as Nebraska haters? So
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  Speaker 2: I fell asleep. I didn't watch.
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  Speaker 3: They should have won that game. They had Oregon on
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  Speaker 3: the ropes.
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  Speaker 2: My wife wakes up the next morning. She asked me,
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  Speaker 2: do you know what happened with the Nebraska game?
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  Speaker 5: I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, honey, Dylan Rayola, who was the second-string quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: that game, had to come in late, and he threw
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  Speaker 2: the game-winning touchdown pass against them with.
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  Speaker 3: 30 seconds left.
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  Speaker 2: And she goes, you've got to be kidding me. Just
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  Speaker 2: salt in the wound. All right. 303-504-0925. Reminder, it's an
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  Speaker 2: Rally House Football Monday. I do want to get to
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  Speaker 2: one more college thing before we move on to the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: and it's Deion's postgame. And I thought CU showed some
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  Speaker 2: real fight in that game. And I know it sounds like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: they lost. Okay, fine. But my expectations, just to be
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  Speaker 2: honest with you, were in the gutter. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad that they made it a competitive football game. The
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  Speaker 2: opening series, you're like, oh, God, this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a long night. And they made a game of it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly right. One thing that's gone lost, I think, in
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  Speaker 2: the CU season is I think their defense has really improved. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they stiffened up in the red zone early in that
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: game multiple times to hold them to field goals, which
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: could have taken the game completely out of hand immediately.
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  Speaker 2: So to their credit, they did that. But just a
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  Speaker 2: couple of Deion clips from the postgame.
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  Speaker 6: I did something I never do. After the loss, I
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: stood up down the podium and told those kids, I'm
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  Speaker 6: really proud of y'all, man. Because they fought. They didn't
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  Speaker 6: give up. They had a chance. And I just knew
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  Speaker 6: we wouldn't have got that last penalty. That was a
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  Speaker 6: great play by Isaac, by the way. But I just
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  Speaker 6: knew Elliott was going to hit that field goal. And
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  Speaker 6: we was going to go into overtime. And he wanted it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame him for feeling that way. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's appropriate.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: And I also think it's reality. Reality hits. Exactly.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: The thing that made it so disingenuous for three years
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: was the overhype.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: The overtalk. The... looking above reality. Like, what's reality here?
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Just be real. Now, that was a real remark about
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: where your team stands. That was real. So does it
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: give you guys any hope? As we look at Okie
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: State and K-State and ASU, does it give you any
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: hope at all that they can find four wins between
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: now and the end of the season? If they play
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: like they did Saturday night, yes. If they got to
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: go forward, they got to go, they got to go
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: four and two to get to a bowl game.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: And well, I'm, I, you know, I'm not predicting bowl
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: games or not. I'm just talking about winning and staying
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: in the moment and being able to compete against a
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: lot of these teams. That's a very good team that
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: they had a chance to beat.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Um, I feel better about it. I still don't think
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: they're going to do it, but I liked more of
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: what I saw. It was, it was interesting. Um, I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys saw Shannon Sharp and Ocho
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Cinco on their podcast. They were talking about Dion. And
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: they said they have to change the way he recruits.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And the discussion was about, he's got to go to people's.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: Homes, man.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: You've got to do the groundwork thing now. His whole
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: thing was, and again, I feel bad for him. I
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: think the NIL... portion of this ruined the recruiting advantage
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: that Deion had, which is come play for Prime.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The money aspect now has now eaten so much into
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: it that it's made it not matter. But Prime very
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: famously does not go to in-home recruiting visits. And their
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: point was, if you're going to try and compete with
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti or Kirby Smart or, you know, Sarkeesian or
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you name the top coach in college football, they go.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: They sit down on your couch. They talk to your parents.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They talk to your grandma. They talk to all these
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: different people that matter. And I do think that extra
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: step probably has to be taken now. Cause I still
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: kind of look, I mean, they were competitive in that game,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: but you tell me who's more talented.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: It's Utah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Utah is more talented.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Of course. Of course. Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That was not supposed to be the case four years
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: in with what prime's recruiting stuff was supposed to be.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Remember that, uh, That graphic I showed you guys about
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: where each team spends in NIL, and you just answered
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: your own question. The NIL spending defeats the purpose of
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: all of that. You can recruit all day. But if
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: you don't have the money to spend, what does that matter?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: What does that matter? I mean, he can go to
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: everyone's house by suggestion, like Shannon Sharpe suggests. But if
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: he doesn't go to everyone's house with money, who cares?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But– Vic, I think the point was this. What's his
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: greatest asset? Man, he's a great speaker. He can convince
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you of things. The entire prime experience at CU has
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: not been predicated on what their record is. It's been
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: on him, his personality. Well, go to somebody's house and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: show it. Maybe that's the advantage that you have now
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: because you don't have the cash advantage. That's for sure.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's part of it. You're suggesting that a speech will.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Will win over the player over the cash, and I
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: don't think that's the case.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not going to do that with somebody who's
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: being offered $ 6 million a year, but you can do
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that with the guys that Utah's getting.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Right? Well, let me see.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: You can do that with Devin Dampier.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I wanted to see the difference between Utah's payroll and
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: the CU payroll. I'm trying to find that chart because, again,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: a lot of these NIL numbers are hidden. They don't
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: make them available. You have to search for them. So
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I want to know where CU spends opposite Utah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Utah's estimated 18 to 20 million. CU is estimated 18
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to 21.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, so they're in the exact same ballpark.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It's not like I did a deep dive, but it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: what AI told me. Here's the other thing. Did you
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: get happen to see what Jim Morris said a couple
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: days ago?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I did not. Well, what do you say after giving
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: up 700 plus?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: This was in the postgame.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: It's gotten away from them very, very quickly. In a
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: game that they gave up 700 total yards.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: 500 on the ground to Texas State. Quote, we finally
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: have a system, and these guys are finally going to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: learn how to play defense. It should have happened a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: long time ago. What is that quote?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know. He's basically saying that the old D coordinator,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he left it up to him, and he screwed it
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: all up.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Well, he's the head coach. Look, I think that Moore
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: is still going to be very good for that job,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and this has been a rough go of it in
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: year one. You can't. Throw your responsibility off to the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: side by blaming other people for this, okay? You're the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: head coach.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: What's amazing to me is they've held a top five
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: team in the country to 41 points, given up 59
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to San Antonio, 56 to the Beavs, and then 66
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to Texas friggin' State.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, they held BYU to 41, dude, which is,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: now it seems like an absolute miracle.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Like Moj.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Moj.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: If the Broncos are losing games and they're losing 45-17
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and 49-32, Sean Payton can't say, well, defense, I mean,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: we're going to start doing it now. That was that
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: last guy's problem.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You're the head coach.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: It's your problem.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You're in charge. I don't know what else to say
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to you. You've been in charge for seven months.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: When did Hosseini left, what, the first quarter of the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: BYU game? Is that correct?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think so.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: With a hammy? Yep. And he hasn't played since, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to play this weekend either.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Does he play safety?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: No. Maybe it takes some of the pressure off your defense. Yeah, maybe.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They've been putting up okay points. I mean,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: they put up 23, 45, 26, 27. Problem is they've
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: given up double that. They're just getting blown out. Blown out.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Um... Anyway, just a couple of college football things.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And I appreciate it because, listen, we don't really have
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: any Broncos to react to today. We did all that
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: on Friday. Can I say one thing? What's going on
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: at the Academy right now? Because the old Air Force
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Fighting Falcons are playing some decent football. UNLV dudes, you understand, right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find it here. Here
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: we go. The... Air Force Fighting Falcons, Vic, this past weekend,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: they were a dog at home to UNLV, and they
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: put up 41 on them. Air Force is a 5-1
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: football team.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: So say what you will about the new Mountain West
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be, they're going to be
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: a bowl team. They're going to play in the Armed
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Forces Bowl or whatever they're going to do, and they've
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: got still— They've still got six games left on their
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: schedule to get bowl eligible. They've got to win one
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: of them. They're going to be an eight-win, nine-win team.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you guys a question. They're five games
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: into their season. I'm sorry, six games into their season.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Their starting quarterback, Evan Meadors, how many passing attempts has
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: he had this year?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: He had one in one game particularly. Total passing attempts.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I'll say he's had 14 pass attempts.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's somewhere along the lines of
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: like 21.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Ten.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Well, you realize in the win over Northern Illinois. Not
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: a single one.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: They didn't pass the football.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Didn't have to.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: 28-7, baby. They didn't throw the ball one time in
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the game. And look, they got to do more with less.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Good for them.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: To the NFL for a couple of minutes. First of all,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the return of Caleb Williams. They looked like they were
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: unstoppable at first. They were 31-7. Falcons had the ball
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: down one possession with a chance to tie that thing
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: up late. And I don't know if you guys watched
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: much of that game. Caleb Williams was, like, screaming at
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: people on the sideline, even when they.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Were, like, doing well.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: He was awesome.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: No, he was great. He was phenomenal.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Here's my question. Cam Ward's the worst quarterback in football, right? Like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: they won 26-20, and he completed 11 passes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: 11.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I just think we're very mean right now.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And here's my question. He was the number one overall pick.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: We all watched him in college, what he did at Wazoo,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: what he did at Miami. How much of that is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Cam Ward is bad, and how much of that are
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the Titans are bad?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Titans are bad. I think both. Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, you lose to Tennessee, your GM loses his job.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That's what happens, because that's what happened in Indianapolis this morning.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Chris Ballard got the Ziggy.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Well, yes, because the owner is on the sidelines listening
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: to the entire crowd chant, fire Ballard. And he's like... Okay,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: just a little pat out. Fire, I haven't thought of,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Fire Balor. That sounds pretty good.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Were you guys, we didn't bring this up because we
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: had him on the show Friday. Were you guys surprised
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: at all the heat that Ben DiNucci took? And then
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: he went back, deleted that tweet. after he joined us
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: on the show, and he got hammered by a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: of Bronco fans.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: He didn't say anything that wasn't true, though.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Did he take heat for being too
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: soft on Bo or too harsh on Bo?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: No, too harsh.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Because he wasn't as harsh when we were talking to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: him as he was maybe in the tweet.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I think in the tweet, and he deleted it, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I get the conflict that he's facing right now. It's
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: tough when you shared a locker room with these guys
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and All of a sudden, you're critical of the guys.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Who are your teammates. It's a tough task, man. It
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: really is. It's not easy.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: It's why a lot of guys don't go into broadcasting.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: They don't want to do that. He did it, and then,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you know, took a lot of heat for it. But
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: he also went out of his way, I noticed today.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: He remarked regarding Ryan Fitzpatrick's video that he did when
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Fitzpatrick went back and forth with Aqib Dhalib, and he
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: did it in a tongue-in-cheek, satirical manner. And Ben said,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: that's funny. It's my kind of humor.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And I agree.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I thought it was funny. I thought Fitzpatrick's thing was funny. Now,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: a lot of Bronco fans just won't get.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Off that fence. They're like, oh, he's the devil. Fitzpatrick's evil.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Now, again, I want to say this one more time.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Did Ryan Fitzpatrick go a little too far in his
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: criticism of Bo Nix? Did he make it personal?
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, he did.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: He questioned his manhood on national television. He did.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: But does it mean that his opinion doesn't matter and
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: nobody should care about his opinion because he wasn't a
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: great quarterback?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is dumb.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: That's dumb behavior to diminish a guy's career because of
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: an opinion. He gave the opinion. You may disagree with it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: You may think it's a foolish opinion. But bouncing back
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: and saying, what did you do? That's just dumb in
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: my humble opinion.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Like the same thing with Ben DiNucci. He got the same. Oh,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: what did you do, Ben? You didn't make it in
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the league.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But who are you? Who you are and what you
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: accomplish shouldn't matter. It's just an opinion based on.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: What you know.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: What is your opinion about Dan Orlovsky? I think he's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: a brilliant analyst. That's my opinion. And I thought so
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: before he got to ESPN. We had him on this show.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: You realize he got his start on this show.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: He got his start on us. Yes, he did. Hey,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: next time we talk to him, we should say, we
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: made you, Orlovsky. We made you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Just for the record.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: But the point is, he was not a great quarterback
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: by any means. Brett, you would know better than anybody.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: But he's an excellent, excellent analyst and studier of the position.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Andy Reid was an all-pro quarterback either.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: He's pretty damn good at football, though, isn't he? Like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing. It's not a prerequisite to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: talk about or know about a sport is to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the best at it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I asked Ryan Harris earlier. He joined us.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I said, Ryan, how do you explain all of these
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: former quarterbacks going after Bo?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It's one thing for us, right? We're just idiots. We're
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: just morning show talk show hosts. We've never played the position.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: You know, we're nothing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: But how do you explain the other guys who have
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: played it? And Ryan said, well, maybe they're looking for clicks.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I disagree. Do you think Orlovsky's looking for clicks? I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: don't think so. Do you think Ryan Fitzpatrick is a
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: click baiter? No. He's just expressing his opinion.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: And deeply rooted in that opinion is maybe he saw
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: something that we're not privy to because we've never experienced
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the position.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Can I just do to, I think, give context to
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: what Fitzpatrick was talking about when he called him soft.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: We did this with the Nuggets when they were called
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: out by Jaden McDaniels, and they didn't respond to it, right?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We did this before. So there's this guy, his name
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: is Ryan Paganetti. He's an NFL coach from 2017 to 2015.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: He's also a director of analytics for multiple NFL teams
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in that time. Here's what he said, and I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: this is what Ryan Fitzpatrick is talking about. Since 2014,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: teams leading with six minutes or less in the fourth
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: quarter There have been 16,178 offensive plays and over 4,000 dropbacks.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix was the only quarterback to run out of
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: bounds behind the line of scrimmage. He's the only one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: In fact, Tom Brady had 15. career dropbacks, never did it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And that's what he's talking about, the willingness to go out,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: maybe take a hit and try and get some yards
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: for your team. That's what he's talking about. Or if
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: nothing else, just throw the ball out of bounds. You
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Why take a three-yard loss?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I think the most interesting theme this week as the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Broncos return to work, is I wonder how aware Bo
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: is of all this criticism. I just, where is his
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: head right now?
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: And does it really matter? Because he's really strong mentally,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think he cares, but I wonder if he's
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: heard it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It feels to me, Vickley, he's got some rabbit ears.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Doesn't he? He's talked about narratives a lot. I mean,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: he's brought it up. I think he's very aware of
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: what's said about him. His answers are, well, if I
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: go back and I throw an interception, then you guys
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: all crushed me for being some sort of irresponsible at
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the football. It's like, what do you mean?
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: What do you mean, you guys? Who cares what I say?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I feel like he's very
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: aware of what people say about him.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Aren't you intrigued about what he's going to say when
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: he meets with the media this week? Yes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Because I'm sure somebody will ask him about Fitzpatrick, and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I wonder what he's going to say about it. My
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: guess is he's going to say this. He's a 17-year
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: vet in the league. He's earned a lot of respect.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: That's his opinion.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I get it, whatever. He'll take the high road because
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: right now there's really not a whole lot else to say.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Everybody can see what happened this past weekend. We can
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: see it with our own eyes, and you don't have
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: to be a 17-year NFL quarterback to understand that that
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: just usually, and I say usually, Brett, usually doesn't cut it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: But right now it is cutting it. 4-4-2-4.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I asked the question, why are all these quarterbacks, former quarterbacks,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: jumping on Bo?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not just us. It's them. 4-4-2-4 writes in.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They're just mad. He used another word. That they lost games.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Bo is winning. God, man.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So tired. Or they're evaluating really bad quarterback play right now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Or that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Do you believe that Ryan Fitzpatrick, after the game, deep
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: in his soul, was like, God, man, man.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I wish I was Bo. Do you think that's what's happening?
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  Speaker 6: No.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: It's so silly. I mean, again, are you in high school? Newsflash, guys.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: When guys play poorly, analysts say they play poorly.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Even when you win.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I'll go back to one thing real quick. Moj, if
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the Avs were 15-4-1 20 games into the season, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: they scored seven goals a game, but they allowed six.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Am I justified in saying maybe goaltending needs to be better,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: or should I just shut up and say, why are
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you criticizing Blackwood? He's winning games. What should be the
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: proper response?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And if they throw it to Kevin Weeks and they say,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: what do you think of goalie play? And he's like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you know what? McKenzie Blackwood's got to play better. Should
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: we all get up in arms and be like, he's winning.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Stop.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: We faced this last year. We faced this last year.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: We were critical of the power play, even though they
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: were winning.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, because that's how you're supposed to analyze a sport.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's just because you win doesn't mean everything is awesome
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: all the time. It's so silly. I get it. And
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to Bo Nix's credit, late in games, guys, he's 16-3
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: in one-score games over the last two years. That is
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a skill and accomplishment. Also, 15 yards on offense outside
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of two drives last game.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Not good. Anyway, 303-504-0925.
• 33:17
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• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Moshe Lombardi and Kane here on this Monday morning. Rally
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: House Football Monday. There's just a while. Vic's now here. Hi, Vic.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: How are you? Good to see you. Moshe, how are
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: you doing in Philadelphia? I'm doing good. Hey, you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: obviously the game tonight. Nelly, why don't we just get
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: it out of the way right now? Roll it. Do
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: whatever it takes to win.
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  Speaker 3: Vic, there's no doubt that the Philadelphia Flyers have had
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a very difficult start to the season. They're 1, 6,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and 3 on the year. Got their first win, though,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: over the weekend, so they are coming off a dub.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. They take way too many penalties.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: In fact, they can't win if the opponent takes less
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: penalties in a game than they do. They've got some
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: guys who are out like Travis Konechny, the veterans out.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Owen Tippett is day-to-day with an upper body. They've got
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Rasmus Ristolainen, who they got from Buffalo. He's been out.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So they are dealing with some injuries, but they're also
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: right now not a very good hockey club. They just aren't.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Last year maybe was a fluke when they actually won
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: a playoff series against their rivals in the Pittsburgh Penguins,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: their in-state rivals. But if you're the Colorado Avalanche, if
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: you take less penalties, and I want to see that
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: power play cranked up a little bit more. They did
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: score a power play goal the other night against Pittsburgh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: and I love what Nathan McKinnon said. The T.J. Hughes
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: goal was like right as dude was coming out of
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the box. Technically even strength. He said, I'm going to
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: go home and write in my journal, that it was
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: two power play goals. So I want to see the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: power play cranked up. Stay out of the box yourself,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: and you're going to win this game.
• 35:08
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• 35:27
  Speaker 3: So let me read this. Tonight.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: This tweet from Tom Pellicero, real quick here. Jalen Hurts,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: who is now out for the season, unfortunately the blood
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: clots were discovered in his lungs, not just the superficial
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: variety on his legs, they're in his lungs, so he's
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: out for the season. But after being initially diagnosed, according
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: to this report, doctors in London told him not to
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: sleep as a precaution.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Couldn't sleep. So he had been awake for roughly 36
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: hours when he started that game against the Jaguars in London.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: 36 hours without sleep. And he threw for 222 yards
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: and a touchdown.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's too dangerous for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you to sleep but go play in the football game?
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Correct. Again, I don't know how that works. I don't know.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Blood flow, whatever. What is the longest you've gone without sleep?
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm raising that question.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: 36 is probably close.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I got to 32.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: The night that the last time the Denver Broncos beat
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs in Kansas City at Arrowhead.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Do you guys remember that game? Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: It was Peyton Manning. It was Brandon Marshall forcing the fumble.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Who scored on the fumble return in the end zone
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: that night?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Who was that? Was that Kayvon Webster? Who was that?
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Help me out, texters. Boy, Vic, that's over a decade ago, man. Okay,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: whenever that happened. So that night, I'm up all day.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: I'm up all day for that game, all night. I
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: took a red eye. I had to go to my
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: cousin's wedding in Italy. So I took a red eye,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: did not sleep on the plane. KC to Washington.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Went to the wedding.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I think I was up for 32 to 35 hours.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I was so oblivious to life. Like, you don't even
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: know where you are anymore.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: What's the longest you've gone? It's got to be like 24,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: probably something like that. Although I'm trying to think.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Bradley Roby. Thank you very much, Texters. Bradley Roby was
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: the guy who did that. I'm trying to think, man.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I was up to when the Avs won. And I'd
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: gotten up early that day.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: That was a long day. And then I was up
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: to like 530 in the morning. So that's probably 22 hours.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: 23 hours maybe and then I was forced to go
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: to sleep because I was so hammered and then I
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: woke up hammered after like two and a half hours
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: sleep and went and did the show from the rink
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: you recall that that was a fun day man probably
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: 24 something right around there then you're mentally exhausted you're
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: just dead you're just a dead human.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah I was in college and I was producing a
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: radio show on a Saturday and I went to a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: house party Next thing I knew was.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: With Kid and Play? What's that? Did you go with
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Kid and Play? He's not going to get that reference, Vic.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what that means. He's absolutely not.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And that's a shame, too, because those were... The first
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: one was such a great movie. Such a great movie.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But it was 3.30 in the morning. Next thing I knew,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I had to be at the radio station at 6
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: for this four-hour show. So I just stayed up. Problem was,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: somebody spilled a beer on me. I wasn't able to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: change clothes. I smelled like hell when I walked in.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It was bad, but that probably went to about 30 hours,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I would say, somewhere around there.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Somebody just reminded me, that is not the last time
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: the Broncos won at Arrowhead. They won last year, and
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: you're exactly right.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: They beat Chris Sola at Duke. I think we know
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: what you were talking about, though.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Can I just go back to something real quick? We've
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: got a few minutes left. The text says this. The
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Bowe disciples are exhausting. It might be worse than Tebow.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: At least everyone admitted Tebow wasn't a good NFL quarterback.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Let me say this. I don't know what Knicks is.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I want Knicks to be the franchise quarterback here. That's
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: what I want. I like him. I'm rooting for him.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: But his play is just not good enough right now.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: It's not. And you can hear that in the head
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: coach's voice when he talks about Bo Nix at a
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: press conference. You know it because I think there'd be
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of hesitation, a ton of it, whether to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: give him a long-term contract or not. But I don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: know why it's Why it's so hard for people just
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to be like, I like him. I want him to
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: do well. He also needs to play a lot better
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: than he's playing right now. It's very simple.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And that's where I think people are misinformed. Somebody on
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: the Twitch feed said, why be so negative? Prop the
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: kid up. He's obviously going through it to help him out. Listen,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, I mean, we're not therapists here.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: That's not our job. It's not Ryan Fitzpatrick's job. He's
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: not a therapist. He's not there to counsel players. His
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: job is to provide his opinion. And although he got personal,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: that's his opinion. Now, I want nothing more. And I
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: said it to you guys during the game. When Bo
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: had those two drives in the first half, I said,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: I wrote in my notebook, I go, Bo is shutting
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: everybody up, including us.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: And I love it. That's all I want. Shut everybody up.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I want that. Is it fair to say when you
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: watch him, it looks like he has regressed? Is that fair? Yes. 100%. Yes.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Of course he has. Then what I'm saying to you
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: is that— But other quarterbacks have, too. That's all I'm saying, too.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Other quarterbacks— hey, has Justin Herbert regressed? Yeah. Yes. C.J.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Stroud did and then progressed big time this year. I mean,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing, Moj. What I don't understand about
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: this is why do— Why do some want to baby
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Bo along with this? These are the same people, though, Moj.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: The Avs with Georgiev were still a really good team, right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Was anybody babying Georgiev when he was giving up four
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: goals a night?
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: No, nobody was.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Well, then what's the difference? You have a spot that's
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: very important to success. You're somehow finding success without getting
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: production at that spot. But you acknowledge that has to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: be better.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: So let me reference what the Twitcher writes in Boxcale Joker.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: So you guys highlight negativity and he's at the podium constantly.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: That'll help. Give me the positives. I don't know what
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: to say to you.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: These people at the podium asking questions are not there
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: to help. They don't work for his staff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: What do you mean help? What do you think their
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: role is in all of this? I am like absolutely
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: surprised at that response.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I know it's weird.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: What do you mean?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Very weird.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: You want them to start knitting blankets for him? Help.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: By the way, God forbid if they're two and four
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: instead of four and two right now. Because there would
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: be no, what are you guys doing? Why don't you
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: bring up the positive? There's no positives then. The positive
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: is that the defense is kick-ass. Like, that's the positive.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And, Vic, you pointed this out earlier. Minnesota's a very
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: similar team to the Broncos in that their defense is unbelievable.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It's the only team. Like, if you want to talk
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: about the best defenses in the league, it's either the
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Broncos or Vikings are acceptable answers, and the best defensive
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: coordinators are either Vance Joseph or Brian Flores.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Those are your two.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But the difference is this, though. The Vikings can run
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the football with Aaron Jones. Like, he is a good
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: running back who gets 100 yards.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: You can't do that. I've learned that a lot of
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Bronco fans right now are afraid of standards. Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: They're afraid of setting and meeting standards. And rather than
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: abiding by those standards, they make excuses and whatever.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: If that's the way you want to live, fine. Standards
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: are why you wake up in the morning. To live
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: and abide by certain standards. And if you don't, that's
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: on you.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what standards? Good football teams. You know
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: who doesn't? The Tennessee Titans.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: They have no standards.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, my God, just thank God that we won.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's good to have standards. It means you expect something
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: from your team. That's how it should be.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: And you project, and projection is part of sports. Will
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: this work eight months down the line? Will this work
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: in a tougher environment?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Will that work? Well, it has, but that's just what
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: sports provides you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: All right, so again, Avs Flyers, 5 o'clock tonight. Get
• 44:05
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• 44:08
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• 44:27
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• 44:30
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• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: But anyway, in other news, one of the greatest rivalries
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: in sports that no one ever talks about is Vic
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: Lombardi versus doing accents. And Vic, I got to give
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: you credit. You actually did a pretty good Southern accent
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: earlier today.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: You know what the echo is going to be? The
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: echo chamber?
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but they lost to an SEC team.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Who's that guy?
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: But Bama, they lost to, yeah, shut up. That's pretty good, Vic.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've actually heard a guy sound
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: That before, but it was close to that. An Italian southerner?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's like if Tony Soprano had his family
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: but grew up in Louisiana.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: He'd try to do that, try to go, listen here now. Arrivederci.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but they lost to an SEC team.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Hang on. One of my favorite things about Southern accents,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: it was an episode of The Office. Where Andy goes, no,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the Savannah accent's more like you got maple syrup spilling
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: out your mouth.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: By the way, I love Savannah, Georgia, dude. Savannah, Georgia
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: is one of my favorite towns of all time, man.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Love that place.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: All right. iTunes, Spotify, Moshe Lombardi, and Kane. Abs and Flyers,
• 45:49
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• 45:52
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• 45:56
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• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Love you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: See you.