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Ask Emily: All Your Questions About Running With Laura Green · Wellness, Actually with Emily Oster & Perry Wilson, MD

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Speaker 1: Welcome to parent Data. If you read my newsletter or
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Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram, you know that running is a
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Speaker 1: big part of my life, and I know it's a
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Speaker 1: big part of many of your lives too. One way
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Speaker 1: I see that is the number of questions that you
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Speaker 1: send me that are about running, running data, postpartum, running,
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Speaker 1: running shoes. So I thought we'd try to collect some
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Speaker 1: answers all in one place. I solicited questions from you,
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Speaker 1: and I've recruited the incomparable Laura Green, funniest running person
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Speaker 1: I know by far, to ask the questions. It is
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Speaker 1: a fun and it's a special episode. So let's jump
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Speaker 1: right in or run right in, I guess. So, Laura,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for doing this. I want you
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Speaker 1: to know that my family is a very big fan
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Speaker 1: of yours and we think you're very funny, and so
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Speaker 1: I'm just thrilled that you agree to do this. So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to let you be in charge now. It's
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Speaker 1: the biggest compliment here you are. Go ahead, be funny.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Emily Ostar podcast. It's called parent Data.
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Speaker 2: It's called parent Data. Yeah, but today it's all about you.
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Speaker 2: So it's like, so Emily on the run right.
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Speaker 1: No, exactly. It's like, that's such a good title. Somebody
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Speaker 1: else should use that for a popular podcast. Whatever. It's cool. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: well let's just jump right in.
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Speaker 2: We have a list of questions that were curated from Instagram,
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Speaker 2: and then your team put together this nice long list
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Speaker 2: for me, and then I chose my favorites. So the
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Speaker 2: first most one of the most popular ones. We want
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Speaker 2: to know your running story. I think that that's just
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Speaker 2: a great place to start. When did you get into
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Speaker 2: running and when did you get more competitive with it?
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Speaker 1: Because you're out there crushing races. We see you, We
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Speaker 1: see you. That's nice. Okay. So my family was very
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Speaker 1: into running when I was a kid. My dad is
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Speaker 1: like still he's eighty and he runs like every day.
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Speaker 1: He's not that fast anymore, but you know he's into it.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. No, that's awesome. So when we were little,
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Speaker 1: we would run. Grew up in New Haven and so
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Speaker 1: there's like a Labor Day race that's like a very
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Speaker 1: big deal for my family. There's a twenty k and
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Speaker 1: a five k, and so I think as of like
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Speaker 1: six or something, we were running. We were running the
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Speaker 1: five k of like a picture of my brother at
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Speaker 1: like the age of I mean, he can't be more
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Speaker 1: than five or six, like crossing the finish line, stopping
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Speaker 1: his watch because like you got to get get your
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Speaker 1: time there. And so I ran as a kid, and
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Speaker 1: then I ran competitively. I ran in high school on
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Speaker 1: the class country team, and like I was, okay, what.
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Speaker 3: Was your event in track? Did you run track?
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Speaker 1: In track? I ran the sixteen and the thirty two hundred,
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Speaker 1: and I was not that great at them, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't remember. I didn't like track, except I liked the
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Speaker 1: pull vault the guys who pull vaulted. That was like
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Speaker 1: that was a really cute guy named Josh.
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Speaker 3: Hi Josh.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Josh is listening, Hi.
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Speaker 2: Josh Josh didn't him the pole vaulters. If you're out there,
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Speaker 2: we love you.
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Speaker 1: And then I spent a long time sort of after
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Speaker 1: high school kind of like running as an exercise activity.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I ran some in like I ran
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Speaker 1: in college, but like not very much. And my husband
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Speaker 1: and I started running together when we got together in college,
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Speaker 1: and so actually for a long time we ran together.
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Speaker 1: And then at some point, basically when I was going
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Speaker 1: to turn forty, I was like, okay, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get faster now because I can't possibly be getting old.
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Speaker 1: And so I started like running more on my own,
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Speaker 1: and then the pandemic hit and so then I was
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Speaker 1: running a lot because it was like what I'm most
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Speaker 1: am I going to do? And then I like joined
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Speaker 1: this running club because I was desperate to see other
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Speaker 1: humans who were not in my like basement, and that
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Speaker 1: was the only activity. And so then like sort of
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Speaker 1: the last three years, I've gotten like more into being
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Speaker 1: competitive about it. That's amazing.
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Speaker 2: So your midlife crisis has been incredibly healthy.
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Speaker 1: It's some aspects, this aspect of it perhaps, although I'm
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Speaker 1: not always sure, Like there are times when you're like,
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Speaker 1: what is this really? Is my niece supposed to feel
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Speaker 1: like that? It is?
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Speaker 3: It's good for me.
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Speaker 2: So it's been more of a recreational thing until the
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Speaker 2: last two years.
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Speaker 3: What have you done to get faster?
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Speaker 1: Have you?
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Speaker 3: Have you gotten faster?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I've definitely gotten faster. I mean I did like
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Speaker 1: a lot of things, mostly like running more, and also
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Speaker 1: I got a coach and so then she made me
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Speaker 1: like run different workouts and we can talk about that.
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Speaker 1: But like I think more or less answer is like
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Speaker 1: trying I like try to get faster, and because I
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Speaker 1: had not ever really tried that much before since high school,
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Speaker 1: there was like a lot of space for fasterness.
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Speaker 2: I find myself getting very jealous of people who come
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Speaker 2: into running or in their like thirties forties.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're like never going to be as good
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Speaker 1: as you were. Never.
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Speaker 3: Never.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I just keep changing distances, because like
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Speaker 2: I did a ten k the other day, and I've
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Speaker 2: never done a ten k before, so then that just
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Speaker 2: counts as a PR. So I just need to keep
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Speaker 2: changing things around. Maybe I'll hit up the trails.
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Speaker 1: So my one thing you should know is that my
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Speaker 1: father did some research. My father Hillstone Economists. He did
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Speaker 1: some research back in like the nineteen seventies about how
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Speaker 1: quickly people slow down in their running times. And he
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Speaker 1: has a formula for adjusting your time so you can
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Speaker 1: continue to PR as you age. I love that like
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Speaker 1: a handicap, Yeah, exactly, you can continue to have an
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Speaker 1: age adjusted PR. So think about that.
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Speaker 2: So what advice would you have for someone who's just
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Speaker 2: getting into running at any age but just they're a
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Speaker 2: newish runner, what advice would you give them?
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Speaker 1: I think mainly that it's like fun. I really liked
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Speaker 1: your run. Other I mean, the competitive part like makes
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Speaker 1: me nervous and has all kinds of slightly as positive aspects,
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Speaker 1: but like overall, if you do this some it will
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Speaker 1: get easier and it is a really good way to
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Speaker 1: like just be outside. And it seems like it will
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Speaker 1: be awful sometimes, but actually it's really nice.
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Speaker 2: So you love your data, and the people listening to
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Speaker 2: this podcast, I assume love data as well. How have
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Speaker 2: you used data to improve your running improve your performance?
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Speaker 1: What metrics do you kind of pay the most attention? So,
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Speaker 1: so the main thing I learned from my running coach
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Speaker 1: is that you should pay attention to your heart rate
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Speaker 1: in addition to your paces. So I pay attention to
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Speaker 1: how quickly like my mile pace or whatever, like how
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Speaker 1: fast I'm running, but then also how high my heart
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Speaker 1: rate is for that pace. And this is the new
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Speaker 1: innovation that I've discovered in the last year. Other people,
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Speaker 1: I think did know this before, but it was new
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Speaker 1: to me. There's a difference between seven thirty mile at
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Speaker 1: a one hundred and forty seven heart rate at a
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Speaker 1: seven thirty mile at one hundred and seventy one heart rate,
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Speaker 1: and like that's an important piece of data. But mostly
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Speaker 1: I just like look at times or whether I can
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Speaker 1: do the workouts that I'm assigned.
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Speaker 2: And do you have trouble ever just ignoring it and
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Speaker 2: being like, you know what, I'm just gonna go on feel.
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Speaker 1: Today or do you just love the numbers? I just
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Speaker 1: I never go on feel. I don't. People are always saying,
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Speaker 1: go on feel. Oh what is that? Like? I mean
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Speaker 1: that's really hard. So like I will often get like, okay,
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Speaker 1: go on, go on, do it aerobic run. I can't
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Speaker 1: do that. That's not how your brain works. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: why I have to run with like other people, because
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Speaker 1: when I'm with other people, it's much better because they
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Speaker 1: just like say what we're you know, they go on feel,
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Speaker 1: but I like numbers. Do you go on you run
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Speaker 1: on feel? Y? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't usually run with a watch, Like I have
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Speaker 2: no watches on right now. When I'm not specifically doing
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Speaker 2: a workout or training for a race, I go no watch.
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Speaker 3: I will record it on like Strava.
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Speaker 2: In my pocket and the phone on the phone, just
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Speaker 2: so I know what myle edge I did that week.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just go out there and I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 2: this should be you know, threshold, this should be aerobic,
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Speaker 2: this should be chill, this should be a recovery run.
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Speaker 1: And it's just kind of I'm like, yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: do that. Also, I will like run back and forth
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Speaker 1: on the block to get to like an even number.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely like the other like yesterday my watch messed up
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Speaker 1: and I got I ended up basically just like running
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Speaker 1: back and forth, and then like our neighbors were there
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Speaker 1: with their dogs, like running back. I was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to finish. It's like one, you know, it was
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Speaker 1: like my cool time was like two miles. I was
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Speaker 1: like one, boy, night doesn't matter, it's a cool down,
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Speaker 1: Like what is this?
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Speaker 2: It's just like I got to hit two? Yeah, this
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Speaker 2: is I mean there are times where I'm like that.
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Speaker 2: But there was a stretch where, like, not even intentionally
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Speaker 2: doing it, I was hitting point nine to nine on
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Speaker 2: like three runs in a row, and my friend texted
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Speaker 2: me and she goes, I think you're a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: It looks like as how do you walk in the door?
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Speaker 1: How do you just want to do it? I think
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Speaker 1: that's really great. Weird.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well that actually I'm going to kind of skip
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Speaker 2: around a little on these questions your heart rate?
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Speaker 3: Do you do that on your watch? Do you have
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Speaker 3: a heart rate monitor?
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Speaker 1: I do it on my watch. I know that people
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Speaker 1: say the heart rate monitor is better, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that's correct, but I'm like, not, we haven't gotten that extreme. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I've only used it a few times in my life,
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Speaker 2: and it is really helpful because it's much more accurate.
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Speaker 2: But every time I strap it on, it makes me
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Speaker 2: feel like I'm a Coburn or something.
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Speaker 1: Right exactly, It's like, what exactly am I.
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Speaker 2: Doing in It's like, do you have any other running
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Speaker 2: accessories or gear that you really love that you can't
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Speaker 2: run without?
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Speaker 1: Or so. One thing I want you to understand is
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Speaker 1: that recently my husband allowed me to devote an entire
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Speaker 1: cabinet in our family room to my running stuff. And
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Speaker 1: it's like it was like, I mean, it was it's love,
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Speaker 1: you know. And so I have like my different shoes
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Speaker 1: in there, you know. I mean, I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 1: go with like the suit I like. I like the
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Speaker 1: super shoes. Who would not like the super shoes? But
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Speaker 1: the other thing I really like is this like anti
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Speaker 1: chafing stuff. Okay, what do you go with? It's like
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Speaker 1: the squirrel the nut butter squirrel nut. It's good for it,
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Speaker 1: not chafing. I have a lot of other random stuff
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Speaker 1: in There are different hats. Yeah, I don't know gels
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Speaker 1: and my whole gel situation. Do you listen to music
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Speaker 1: or podcasts? I listened to both music and podcasts. I
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Speaker 1: have the shocks head that you also like. Ali on
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Speaker 1: the Run gave me some shocks head phones. It's a
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Speaker 1: gift for being guests on her show several years ago,
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Speaker 1: and I love them.
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Speaker 3: There's kind of no going back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I recently snapped mine in half by accidents. Oh no,
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Speaker 2: they weren't at like the bottom of my bag. This
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Speaker 2: is that's a classic lore story. I tend to break
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Speaker 2: everything and it's really hard to break them, and I
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Speaker 2: found a way so just for like a week, I
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Speaker 2: while I was waiting for a new pair, I had
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Speaker 2: to put the ones back into my ear and it's
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Speaker 2: it's nasty.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe I ever ran with earbuds in my ear.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they're all swick wet.
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Speaker 2: They're like wet, and in the middle of an East
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Speaker 2: Coast summer, they're like pools of sweat and they're.
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Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good. It's not good. The
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Speaker 1: other thing I really like is a pham roller. I
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Speaker 1: love my phone roller.
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Speaker 2: You're one of the few out there. I mean everyone
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Speaker 2: should be foam rolling, but most people buy them and
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Speaker 2: I just sit in the corner of the room.
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Speaker 1: Like what I like. I like my phone roller.
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so actually you were talking about being able
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Speaker 2: to hear the city around you, your neighbors around you.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever feel unsafe and what do you do
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Speaker 2: to help calm your nerves or improve your safety while
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Speaker 2: on the run, especially you're an early morning runner sometimes
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Speaker 2: or all the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think they're like two different parts of safety.
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Speaker 1: So one is about cars. I worry a lot about cars,
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Speaker 1: and I have like a lot of different lights, arm
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Speaker 1: lights and other lights that I think are like very
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Speaker 1: important for not being hit by cars. And then I
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Speaker 1: try to run and run in places that I know
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Speaker 1: where I know the other people who are running. Like
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Speaker 1: I'm near where I live. There's a boulevard and people
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Speaker 1: run there at all of the times of the day,
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Speaker 1: and it's the same people. So I see the same
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Speaker 1: people all the time, and I'm lucky that it is
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Speaker 1: quite a safe area. Overall, and I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: try not to do things that seem unsafe.
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Speaker 2: Do you use like the Strava thing where you can
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Speaker 2: like send a beacon to your husband or anything like
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Speaker 2: that for better or for worse?
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Speaker 1: My husband had like like location tracking. My husband, I
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Speaker 1: share location tracking so he would know he knows where
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Speaker 1: I am at all times and including when I run. Great.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna end this portion with some of
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Speaker 2: your favorite things. So we already did running accessories and gear.
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Speaker 2: What has been your favorite race?
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Speaker 1: The Boston Women's ten k last fall? And I will
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Speaker 1: tell you for like several reasons. It's very flat. It
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Speaker 1: was the first race in a long time that I
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Speaker 1: actually felt great the entire time, Like I felt good
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Speaker 1: and I was like running fast, but I felt really good.
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Speaker 1: And also like, because it's almost entirely women, the porta
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Speaker 1: potties were so clean, Like it was like an amazing
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Speaker 1: quorta body experience.
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Speaker 3: Emily, I just did.
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Speaker 2: I just went to a women's run out in Snowholmish
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Speaker 2: and I did some stand up the night before at
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Speaker 2: this pump up party, and the whole thing was about
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Speaker 2: how women's races are better and why and the first one,
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Speaker 2: I was like, the porta potty scene is going to
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Speaker 2: be so nice tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Just it was so nice, so nice.
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Speaker 2: They're cleaner, the lines are super efficient, like because we're
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Speaker 2: so fast, we're so used to having to pee as
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Speaker 2: fast as we can.
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Speaker 1: No one's in there wasting our time. No, totally. So
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Speaker 1: that was great. That was a great and it can
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Speaker 1: say your time forty two oh seven nice? Is that
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Speaker 1: a pr well. I had never run it before, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I never run it anyway. Yeah, we are.
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Speaker 3: That's flying.
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Speaker 2: So as someone who trains in Boston, pancake flat for
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Speaker 2: the most part, you have to actually seek out hills
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Speaker 2: around here, and I don't.
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Speaker 1: I usually just am lazy about it, just run on
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Speaker 1: the river, like yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: So this this race that I did on Sunday was
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Speaker 2: also incredibly flat. I think my strap at the end
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Speaker 2: said there was like thirty feet of elevation gain over.
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Speaker 1: Six but I didn't. I didn't see that yet.
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Speaker 2: And I was talking to my friends and debriefing after
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Speaker 2: and I go, didn't you feel like we're.
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Speaker 3: Going uphill like both ways? And they were like, what
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Speaker 3: are your talk?
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Speaker 2: I am the worst hill runner. I used to live
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Speaker 2: in San Francisco and now I have absolutely no hill
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Speaker 2: legs left in me. Boston has killed them.
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Speaker 1: I do not like hills. I like the East Bate
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Speaker 1: bike path, and Providence is like it's just flat sometimes.
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Speaker 1: My coach just like you could seek out some additional hills.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, but why these say bike that is so nice?
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Speaker 3: Totally why would I do that?
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Speaker 2: Okay, who are your favorite running pros? Do you follow
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Speaker 2: the professional scene?
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Speaker 1: I do? I do follow the professional running scene. You know.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Molly Huddle because she
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Speaker 1: also is here and I like to pretend that we're friends.
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Speaker 1: You like about it. I like, never follow professional sports,
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Speaker 1: but it's like so easy to start pretending people are
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Speaker 1: like your buddies, and you're like, because you like know
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Speaker 1: all about your like oh yeah, like Kira was doing
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Speaker 1: this this way, And my husband's like, do you know her?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: No, But I instagram dmder wants you to my back,
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Speaker 1: so I think we're basically like related now, So I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go with I'm gonna go with Molly Huddle because
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Speaker 1: I like her and she will instagram DM me back,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I like the the like Emily system
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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's all these like Rhode Island, Rhode Island,
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Speaker 1: people like Roland.
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Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, favorite podcasts, favorite music, What are you listening to?
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Speaker 1: I think I kind of already asked you this. So
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Speaker 1: I listen to a lot of like short portions of
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Speaker 1: a lot of different podcasts. So I'll be like, I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in listening to podcasts, but I actually don't like
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Speaker 1: listening to podcasts while I run, And so I'll sort
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Speaker 1: of like get ten minutes and I'll be like on
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Speaker 1: board with this. But it's not that I don't like them,
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Speaker 1: it's just like I can't I can't focus.
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Speaker 2: It's a different Yes, yes, it's a different mindset.
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Speaker 1: And then I like, I like a good like Taylor
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Speaker 1: Swift playlist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I don't know how you guys do tell,
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Speaker 2: but like, are you doing like her more upbeat songs?
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Speaker 1: If I'm racing, I have a whole elaborate playlist of
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Speaker 1: like loud songs with like Eminem and the Weekend, you know,
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Speaker 1: all the camp Bam bamp paper planes, MI. I A,
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Speaker 1: I it it's like a whole thing. When I'm just
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Speaker 1: like running normally. A yeah, I'll listen to just like whatever,
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. But I'm not trying to go fast. I'm
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Speaker 1: not trying to like pump Off. I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: like chill out.
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Speaker 3: Have you ever run a marathon?
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Speaker 1: No, but I am. I am signed up first. Cim,
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Speaker 1: you are in the December December?
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Speaker 3: Oh, how thrilling. That's so exciting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't told this is like I mean, he
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Speaker 1: doesn't listen, so it doesn't matter. But like I haven't
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Speaker 1: told my husband that yet. I did tell him I
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Speaker 1: was going to California for that weekend because I'm also
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Speaker 1: giving a talk like at some university, and so I
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Speaker 1: told him I was going to be gone, and I
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Speaker 1: told them that there was like a race related thing.
16:46
Speaker 1: But he doesn't know that much about running, and so like,
16:49
Speaker 1: I'm not planning to surface it for a while.
16:52
Speaker 2: Hey, talk about a great porta potty scene, Cee, I
16:54
Speaker 2: am my best, my best porta potty scene I think
16:56
Speaker 2: I've ever had. Okay, yeah, it's because this the race.
17:00
Speaker 2: It's so manageable and they have more than enough porta
17:03
Speaker 2: potties so it's not like all these massively long lines
17:07
Speaker 2: that are in like soggy grass like I think my
17:10
Speaker 2: friend dropped me off at the start, and I went
17:11
Speaker 2: to the bathroom three times and fifteen minutes and then
17:15
Speaker 2: got on the start.
17:17
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Okay, good quarter, Okay.
17:21
Speaker 2: Injury prevention, do you cross train strength train and do
17:26
Speaker 2: you have data to back it up?
17:28
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty clear that people should
17:33
Speaker 1: strength train. I don't know how much of that has
17:35
Speaker 1: been injury prevention. How much is like just that's helpful
17:37
Speaker 1: for going faster. But I don't do it in a
17:42
Speaker 1: very reliable manner because it's super boring basically. I mean,
17:47
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest, Like I definitely is supposed
17:49
Speaker 1: to be doing that and doing more stretching, and I
17:52
Speaker 1: just like to go run and I don't like to
17:54
Speaker 1: do other things.
17:56
Speaker 2: Have you ever had any injuries that have been nagging
17:59
Speaker 2: for where you had to take time off?
18:01
Speaker 1: So I had, I was, I got injured last summer.
18:05
Speaker 1: I have like very bad bunions on my feet, and
18:07
Speaker 1: so sometimes like with the wrong shoes, then you like
18:10
Speaker 1: overcompensate and then I like had a whole foot thing,
18:13
Speaker 1: which finally I had to like go to pt which
18:15
Speaker 1: I had never done before. Actually PET is great. I
18:16
Speaker 1: would really recommend people go to PT. I've this is
18:20
Speaker 1: the first they might be hearing of this, so I
18:22
Speaker 1: would say it's really great and that eventually I fixed.
18:25
Speaker 1: I have this like very long term injury to my
18:27
Speaker 1: hamstring from my last pregnancy. I pulled my hamstring running
18:33
Speaker 1: when I was like thirty seven weeks pregnant, and it
18:35
Speaker 1: never is like never like totally healed.
18:39
Speaker 3: Is it up near the insertion, like near your butt?
18:41
Speaker 1: Yeah?
18:42
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll talk to you when we get off the podcast.
18:44
Speaker 1: I have some ideas for you. Okay, great, I forgot
18:48
Speaker 1: that you're also a PT. Okay, oh yeah, but that's
18:50
Speaker 1: actually not even really why. I have some ideas.
18:53
Speaker 2: My husband battled this for like three or four years
18:55
Speaker 2: and then he finally figured out what he could do.
18:57
Speaker 1: So all right, cool, Okay.
18:58
Speaker 2: There's a lot of questions, well not questions, a lot
19:01
Speaker 2: of popular questions about pregnancy and postpartum, which obviously makes
19:05
Speaker 2: a lot of sense.
19:07
Speaker 1: Let's do it, okay.
19:08
Speaker 2: Tips for running safely while pregnant. What are some things
19:11
Speaker 2: that people should really look out for, especially red flags
19:14
Speaker 2: or like kind of check in with themselves.
19:16
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you're doing stuff when you are pregnant,
19:19
Speaker 1: the most important thing is to pay attention to whether
19:22
Speaker 1: you are feeling different, because some things are just hard
19:25
Speaker 1: to predict and your ligaments get looser, and so there's
19:30
Speaker 1: like sort of listening even more intently to like how
19:34
Speaker 1: your body is feeling about what you're doing is relevant.
19:40
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things though, that you get
19:41
Speaker 1: told that they're basically not supported by data. So some
19:44
Speaker 1: nice people say, you don't let your heart rate go
19:45
Speaker 1: above one forty, which, like, if you are a person
19:48
Speaker 1: who runs, is sort of like, what are you talking about,
19:49
Speaker 1: Like a heart rate of one p fifty is like
19:52
Speaker 1: what you are doing when you are running normally or
19:55
Speaker 1: higher than that. There's actually really no evidence to suggest
19:58
Speaker 1: that there should be limits like that on on your
20:00
Speaker 1: heart rate. You should It's it's okay. It is not
20:03
Speaker 1: compromising the fetus. Plenty of people. We know this both
20:08
Speaker 1: from sort of actual data and also from the fact
20:11
Speaker 1: that like a lot of people engage in fairly high
20:14
Speaker 1: intensity of aerobic activities during pregnancy and it is fine.
20:18
Speaker 1: So I think that people basically should do the things
20:20
Speaker 1: that they're that they're comfortable with. You should tell your
20:23
Speaker 1: doctor what you're doing so they know, you know, they
20:26
Speaker 1: know what you're engaged in. But there's a lot of
20:28
Speaker 1: benefits to exercising during pregnancy, Like it makes you feel
20:32
Speaker 1: good and if it's the thing that you did before,
20:34
Speaker 1: you probably want to keep doing it. And it can
20:35
Speaker 1: be beneficial for you know, getting through labor. So I
20:38
Speaker 1: know there's like a lot of reasons to keep feeling
20:42
Speaker 1: like you can do it for as long as you want.
20:44
Speaker 1: You can get a belt. This is something to somebody
20:46
Speaker 1: told me what I did and like the second pregnancy
20:48
Speaker 1: that was very good before I get injured, which is
20:50
Speaker 1: like you can get a belt that like holds your
20:53
Speaker 1: hold your belly up a little bit. It's very helpful
20:55
Speaker 1: for trying to run.
20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend those belts. I think revcre is
21:01
Speaker 2: one of the ones that I used, but it didn't
21:03
Speaker 2: even really help me run very long. I didn't run
21:05
Speaker 2: that long into pregnancy, but even just for walking around,
21:10
Speaker 2: it lifts the belly up, off your bladder, a little
21:13
Speaker 2: off your blood and that's it.
21:14
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, that was the hardest like as
21:16
Speaker 1: you get for most people. I think that's ultimately what
21:18
Speaker 1: does them in. It's uncomfortable to run and feel like
21:22
Speaker 1: you have to peet all the time totally. It's just
21:24
Speaker 1: that's uncomfortable.
21:26
Speaker 2: I know, I would be like, can I just catheterize myself?
21:32
Speaker 3: What about running in the heat?
21:33
Speaker 2: Say you're pregnant during the summer, really hot summer, is
21:37
Speaker 2: there like a certain temperature you shouldn't be out there.
21:41
Speaker 1: Becoming dehydrated when you're pregnant is like you need more hydration,
21:45
Speaker 1: and you need because it's feeding the amy anti fluid
21:47
Speaker 1: and because they're just in general it's good to stay hydrated.
21:50
Speaker 1: And so you got again, it's like you got gotta listen,
21:52
Speaker 1: like gotta be a little more aware of what is
21:55
Speaker 1: going on. You know, going out and running twenty miles
21:58
Speaker 1: without any water is like a idea if you're not
22:01
Speaker 1: pregnant in the heat. It's probably even worse idea if
22:03
Speaker 1: you are pregnant, And so just be thoughtful about this.
22:09
Speaker 1: But thoughtful is different from saying like I shouldn't ever
22:12
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I hate running when.
22:14
Speaker 3: It's hot, you know, of course that's the worst.
22:18
Speaker 1: Even when I'm not pregnant. It's just horrible.
22:22
Speaker 2: Okay, return to running. A lot of people take breaks
22:26
Speaker 2: or they're trying to ease back into it.
22:28
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for the postpartum return to running.
22:32
Speaker 1: The first thing I would say is, and this is
22:34
Speaker 1: people ask me, like, you know, do you like, did
22:36
Speaker 1: you get back to running like this right after your
22:39
Speaker 1: kids were born? Like my kids are eight and twelve,
22:41
Speaker 1: Like they go to school all day, and if I
22:44
Speaker 1: want to go do something on the weekend, like they
22:47
Speaker 1: can watch TV in the house by themselves. Like it
22:49
Speaker 1: is really different to try to engage in a serious
22:52
Speaker 1: way with this kind of hobby when your kids are
22:54
Speaker 1: big than when they are they are little. And that
22:57
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't do it when they're little, but
22:59
Speaker 1: your time is really your time is more constrained. And
23:02
Speaker 1: so I think understanding that you can that you can
23:06
Speaker 1: come back and you can get something out of this
23:10
Speaker 1: practice of running, even if it is not what you
23:13
Speaker 1: were getting out of it before, is probably the most
23:16
Speaker 1: important thing to recognize. And so you know, at some
23:20
Speaker 1: point a few months, a couple months in, when your
23:22
Speaker 1: doctor says things are looking good, you can start running again.
23:27
Speaker 1: But expecting like I'm going to come back exactly where
23:30
Speaker 1: I was before maybe unrealistic, but doesn't mean that you
23:35
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. You know, my kids were like eight
23:38
Speaker 1: ten weeks old, like I would run because it was
23:40
Speaker 1: like nice to be outside, like nice to go outside
23:42
Speaker 1: and like take a small break from them, and it
23:46
Speaker 1: like recharged me. But it wasn't like I was saying, Okay,
23:48
Speaker 1: I got to go do a workout. This was like
23:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to go run three miles at like a
23:52
Speaker 1: nine to thirty pace and then come back and like
23:54
Speaker 1: feel feel refreshed and that mental shift. What is this
23:59
Speaker 1: practice do for me now on the recognition that like
24:02
Speaker 1: it may not be the thing that it was doing
24:04
Speaker 1: for me in the past, and it may not be
24:05
Speaker 1: the thing it was doing for me in the future,
24:07
Speaker 1: and like in this season, how does this serve you?
24:11
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
24:12
Speaker 2: There were a lot of questions that were kind of
24:15
Speaker 2: like just personal anecdotes from people just being like, how
24:19
Speaker 2: do I get back into it. It's been three months,
24:22
Speaker 2: or it's been six months, or it's been a year,
24:24
Speaker 2: and I still haven't gotten back into it, And I
24:25
Speaker 2: just want to give them a hug.
24:27
Speaker 1: I know.
24:28
Speaker 3: That's kind of all like I.
24:30
Speaker 2: Felt when I was reading these, and I was like,
24:31
Speaker 2: it's a lot of the professional African runners, those marathoners
24:36
Speaker 2: that have babies in the middle of their careers, they
24:38
Speaker 2: don't run or certainly don't train at a hard clip
24:42
Speaker 2: for a full year. That's part of their culture. They
24:45
Speaker 2: take an entire year off and I really take that
24:48
Speaker 2: seriously and I am nowhere near their caliber of athleticism.
24:57
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts on that six or eight
25:00
Speaker 2: week post check up, Like, are you like, okay, yeah,
25:03
Speaker 2: definitely you should start like getting out there, or do
25:06
Speaker 2: you feel like that's a little bit I don't know.
25:09
Speaker 2: I just feel like the messaging what do you think
25:11
Speaker 2: feel about the messaging of it in the United States?
25:13
Speaker 1: I think the messaging is too is just too sharp.
25:18
Speaker 1: There is too much of like okay, before six weeks,
25:21
Speaker 1: like nothing, and after six weeks like okay, you're basically
25:26
Speaker 1: like everything's totally fine. It's the same with sex. It's
25:28
Speaker 1: like before six weeks definitely not. But as soon as
25:31
Speaker 1: you hit the six weeks marks like get back, you know,
25:33
Speaker 1: get back to it. And like the truth is like
25:35
Speaker 1: some people are ready to have sex a little bit
25:37
Speaker 1: before that, and like some people are not ready to
25:39
Speaker 1: have sex for a really long time after that, and
25:41
Speaker 1: like that's regular, and I think the same is true here.
25:44
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be people who are gonna say, like,
25:46
Speaker 1: you know, three or four weeks in, I'm ready to
25:48
Speaker 1: like take a long walk maybe, like and that's gonna
25:50
Speaker 1: feel Okay. I don't think that's real typical, but like,
25:53
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how you've delivered and how things
25:56
Speaker 1: are going, that could be true and there will be
25:59
Speaker 1: many people for home. Six weeks is like like are
26:03
Speaker 1: you are you kidding me? Like I'm there's still blood
26:06
Speaker 1: coming out of there and everything is leaking, and like
26:08
Speaker 1: I'm not sleeping, and like the idea that you're going
26:10
Speaker 1: to like use twenty minutes to go outside and run
26:13
Speaker 1: as opposed to take a nab is like a total
26:16
Speaker 1: insane fantasy. And I think that that we just are
26:19
Speaker 1: too We're just too sharp. There's too much of like
26:21
Speaker 1: before and after and not enough of like everyone's going
26:25
Speaker 1: to do this in a way that works for them,
26:27
Speaker 1: and that is, you know, comfortable with what their circumstance is.
26:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about post sea section? Are there any other
26:38
Speaker 2: things to take into consideration?
26:40
Speaker 1: So sea section has like in some ways, you know,
26:43
Speaker 1: the recovery is on average a bit longer, but the
26:47
Speaker 1: sort of distribution of recovery across these two this sort
26:51
Speaker 1: of two experience is not that different. So I guess
26:54
Speaker 1: one way I often think about it is like the
26:56
Speaker 1: sort of best case scenario vaginal birth it's super smooth,
26:59
Speaker 1: there's no tearing. Then that that is going to be,
27:02
Speaker 1: on average, a much faster recovery than any sea section.
27:05
Speaker 1: Like you could be walking out of your you know,
27:08
Speaker 1: walking out of the hospital holding your baby like you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: five hours later, like Kate Middleton was, and like that's
27:13
Speaker 1: not gonna happen if you had a sea section. But
27:16
Speaker 1: there are ranges of experiences with vaginal birth that can
27:19
Speaker 1: be sort of very prolonged recovery periods, and so you know,
27:23
Speaker 1: I think that again, there's not a sense in which
27:27
Speaker 1: there's an answer of like, for sure, you know, vaginal
27:29
Speaker 1: birth six weeks, c section is eight weeks. Like that
27:33
Speaker 1: is not reflective of the variety of experiences people have.
27:36
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, your core, no matter what kind of
27:40
Speaker 2: birth you have, your core is still just some mashed potatoes.
27:46
Speaker 2: Your organs are just like floating around in there.
27:49
Speaker 1: You don't think that's technically acc They don't know which
27:52
Speaker 1: way is we aim for facts on this podcast. I
27:55
Speaker 1: don't think your organs are floating around.
27:57
Speaker 2: And that's what it feels like.
28:03
Speaker 1: It's what it feels like now, and putting aside, like
28:07
Speaker 1: the other thing about this is like it's not just
28:10
Speaker 1: like physically what you know, It's not just like physically
28:13
Speaker 1: what's happening in your you know, nether regions. It's also
28:16
Speaker 1: what is happening in your house, Like what is what
28:18
Speaker 1: is your capacity to to sort of do various things?
28:21
Speaker 1: And I think when we when we we get people
28:23
Speaker 1: this impression that like at six weeks like you should
28:25
Speaker 1: be sort of back back to a regular it does
28:28
Speaker 1: a real disservice for, you know, to the actual experiences
28:32
Speaker 1: that most people are having at that point.
28:34
Speaker 2: Right, and the effects of the hormones. So, if you
28:36
Speaker 2: are nursing in any capacity, either pumping or breastfeeding, trustfeeding,
28:43
Speaker 2: how long does it take for your hormones to regulate infinity?
28:46
Speaker 1: I mean until you're yeah, until you're done, and then
28:48
Speaker 1: a while and then a while after that. Yeah, yeah,
28:52
Speaker 1: because they say three to six months.
28:53
Speaker 3: But how does that like affect you and your running?
28:57
Speaker 1: My sense is that the endergrine system is not actually
28:59
Speaker 1: that well understood, and that there is a lot of
29:01
Speaker 1: uncertainty about how different hormones affect even things like your
29:06
Speaker 1: risk of your risk of injury, and where exactly are
29:09
Speaker 1: these resources being pulled from. And we know that, you know,
29:12
Speaker 1: with something like breastfeeding, people's experiences of how they how
29:16
Speaker 1: their hormones respond, even in terms of like do they
29:19
Speaker 1: gain weight or do they lose weight? And people have
29:23
Speaker 1: really some people have quite unusual reactions like sort of
29:26
Speaker 1: emotional reactions to breastfeeding. Uh, there's post weaning depression, there's
29:30
Speaker 1: during breastfeeding depressions. All kinds of stuff that goes on
29:33
Speaker 1: that we just don't have like a great understanding or
29:36
Speaker 1: ability to predict.
29:38
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's talk about the thing that everyone everyone
29:41
Speaker 2: wants to know more about incontinence. It's a big conversation,
29:45
Speaker 2: especially with postpartum runners. Yes, so pelvic floor pt what
29:50
Speaker 2: I mean, why is that important? And also what else
29:53
Speaker 2: should they be doing?
29:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd be the first thing to say is like,
29:58
Speaker 1: you don't have to pee on yourself. This is not
30:02
Speaker 1: a thing you should expect to happen. But I think
30:04
Speaker 1: that's like the biggest there's this whole putting aside running
30:07
Speaker 1: this is the whole thing about incontinence of sort of
30:09
Speaker 1: like people saying like little leaks are are No, you
30:13
Speaker 1: shouldn't have little. I mean, now it's not a value judgment.
30:16
Speaker 1: It's just like there are things that we can that
30:18
Speaker 1: we can do. So pelvic floor.
30:19
Speaker 2: PT just because it's common doesn't make it normal exactly.
30:23
Speaker 1: So you know, public floor PT has many different tools
30:28
Speaker 1: that can try to address, you know, urinary incontinence. A
30:32
Speaker 1: lot of people think, as far as I can tell
30:34
Speaker 1: that this is just kegels, and then it's like, well,
30:36
Speaker 1: why would I go there just to have somebody tell
30:38
Speaker 1: me to like do a bunch of you know, kegels,
30:40
Speaker 1: But like, actually, I believe this to be a field
30:42
Speaker 1: that with many more tools than just that one. And
30:46
Speaker 1: you know there's also surgical tools if this is very extreme.
30:48
Speaker 1: So I think the main thing is just to note like, yeah,
30:50
Speaker 1: it is pretty typical for there to be some urinary leakage,
30:54
Speaker 1: particularly when you when you run, and also that pelvic
30:59
Speaker 1: floor pat can help you address this and get more control.
31:04
Speaker 1: Even though I always be on myself at the end
31:06
Speaker 1: of races, but that was true in I mean not always,
31:08
Speaker 1: I sometimes do that, but that was true before.
31:11
Speaker 2: That means you just tried really hard. That's how I
31:13
Speaker 2: If it happens at the very end. Yeah, that's not inconnonce,
31:16
Speaker 2: that's just did you leave it?
31:17
Speaker 1: I left it all out there literally. Yes.
31:21
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to a pelvic floor physical therapist?
31:24
Speaker 1: No? No, So can I go on a little like
31:27
Speaker 1: soapostive do it? Okay?
31:29
Speaker 2: I am not a pelvic floor pet. I don't have
31:32
Speaker 2: that specialty, but I have been, and I have a
31:34
Speaker 2: lot of friends who do it, and people like you said,
31:38
Speaker 2: I think, like think it might just be key goals
31:40
Speaker 2: or strengthening exercises, but what also could be happening is
31:44
Speaker 2: you could be over contracting your muscles in your pelvic
31:46
Speaker 2: floor and they might not be relaxing in the right patterns.
31:50
Speaker 2: And so there's so many things that a therapist can
31:53
Speaker 2: kind of figure out, even just through a couple of
31:55
Speaker 2: different appointments, that are going to like change your life.
31:59
Speaker 2: And they can make sex more comfortable if you're having
32:02
Speaker 2: any pain there. Like it's not just about peeing or incontinence. Like,
32:06
Speaker 2: there's so many things that they can help with, and
32:09
Speaker 2: I find the biggest barrier is just cutting the time
32:12
Speaker 2: to go. So like that's for me. I know money
32:16
Speaker 2: is involved, and I know there's so many different other
32:17
Speaker 2: aspects that make it difficult for moms to get out
32:20
Speaker 2: the door to go. But my biggest piece of advice
32:23
Speaker 2: is to try and go before you deliver, and then
32:26
Speaker 2: you have this person that you already have a relationship with,
32:28
Speaker 2: that you trust, and that it's like kind of on
32:31
Speaker 2: the schedule, so that like when you after you give birth,
32:34
Speaker 2: it's already on the schedule. It's just like a postpartum
32:36
Speaker 2: follow up as opposed to now I have to get
32:40
Speaker 2: on a wait list or search pts or whatever.
32:43
Speaker 1: That's just my high horse.
32:45
Speaker 2: There's also a lot of great online resources, but there's
32:47
Speaker 2: nothing quite like having someone there to just like assess
32:49
Speaker 2: you one on one so to like figure out what's
32:52
Speaker 2: actually going on, because you could just be doing key
32:54
Speaker 2: goals and actually your body needs the exact opposite of that.
32:59
Speaker 1: I love it.
33:00
Speaker 3: Okay.
33:00
Speaker 2: There's one question that I skipped that I'm going to
33:02
Speaker 2: go back to, okay, and it has to do with
33:06
Speaker 2: the wicking fabrics and how a lot of headlines recently
33:09
Speaker 2: are coming out about the toxicity of the wicking fabrics.
33:12
Speaker 2: And then there was like sports bras and all these
33:15
Speaker 2: different brands that have a toxic level of whatever.
33:18
Speaker 1: So what can you speak to there. Okay, there are
33:23
Speaker 1: a lot of headlines that we like to refer to
33:25
Speaker 1: as panic headlines about toxins. And it is true that
33:30
Speaker 1: there are plastics in these products, and it is generally
33:34
Speaker 1: true that it would be good environmentally if there were
33:38
Speaker 1: sort of fewer plastics out in our world. But this
33:41
Speaker 1: is not a like piece of exposure that is very
33:44
Speaker 1: significant relative to all of the other pieces of exposure,
33:48
Speaker 1: and probably it is not a significant piece of exposure
33:51
Speaker 1: at all. And so I think there's just almost a
33:53
Speaker 1: question of like magnitude. It could both be true that like,
33:57
Speaker 1: there are you know, these kinds of plastics in your
34:00
Speaker 1: bra and also that you just like should not think
34:02
Speaker 1: about that because it's actually not very it's not very important. Okay, good.
34:08
Speaker 1: I like to hear that wear your sports. Okay, we
34:11
Speaker 1: skipped over shoes kind of.
34:13
Speaker 3: You said that you like your super shoes.
34:15
Speaker 1: I want to hear let's end on let's end on shoes.
34:17
Speaker 1: I just love my.
34:18
Speaker 2: Shesh Okay, what are you wearing? And do you rotate?
34:23
Speaker 2: Do you have like what's in your rotation?
34:26
Speaker 1: So I wear the socanies endorphin threes to raisin, I
34:32
Speaker 1: have these onions and so I have like a very
34:35
Speaker 1: limited set of shoes that will like work for my feet,
34:38
Speaker 1: but I really like Soccanis are super comfortable and as
34:42
Speaker 1: I detailed in a post, at some point it's like
34:45
Speaker 1: four percent or something on performance for super shoes in general.
34:50
Speaker 1: And then I wear this brand Hilma, which is like
34:53
Speaker 1: a new like lady running brand where they have different
34:56
Speaker 1: fits of the shoes, one of which is for like
34:59
Speaker 1: five feet and I like them a lot and I
35:02
Speaker 1: rotate them around.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this new brand.
35:05
Speaker 2: It's women owned and it has multiple different It kind
35:08
Speaker 2: of caters to whatever your shoe, I mean, your foot is.
35:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you wear? What is your shoe situation?
35:16
Speaker 3: My shoe situations that so many shoes.
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Speaker 2: Currently I am in an Aseix super Blast phase.
35:24
Speaker 1: I probably wear them the most I wear.
35:27
Speaker 2: I also have bunions wide feet, so I have to
35:29
Speaker 2: go wide with everything, so new balanced SuperComp trainers go wide,
35:33
Speaker 2: which is nice. But lately the carbon shoe I've been
35:38
Speaker 2: racing in is the ACEX Meta Speed Sky. I haven't
35:43
Speaker 2: tried Soccty yet, but everybody loves that one.
35:45
Speaker 1: The Endorphin three, I really like them.
35:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously the Nike Vapor Fly I think I have
35:52
Speaker 2: the alpha fly.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't do as much.
35:54
Speaker 2: It definitely makes me faster, it doesn't make me I
35:57
Speaker 2: don't know. Carbon shoes are very different for different people,
36:00
Speaker 2: especially like some people don't react that well to them,
36:03
Speaker 2: Like I know they don't get that much faster, and
36:05
Speaker 2: some people get so much faster.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, need us to do with Like how you
36:10
Speaker 1: like where your foot is is striking? I think I
36:12
Speaker 1: have like a quite significant reaction. Yeah, Like the first
36:15
Speaker 1: time I wore these is, I was just like, these
36:17
Speaker 1: are cheating. Like I texted my coach and I was like,
36:20
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry, but I've got the cheating
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Speaker 1: shoes and she was like, no, no, And how many
36:25
Speaker 1: days a week do you run in our carbon shoe?
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Speaker 1: I run, I work out and I long run in them, okay,
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Speaker 1: and then otherwise I run in my other things. I'm
36:33
Speaker 1: ever like it's like for workouts, I like them because
36:35
Speaker 1: I like to know, like how fat. I like to
36:37
Speaker 1: be able to sort of think about what kind of
36:39
Speaker 1: paces I am going to be able to hit and
36:40
Speaker 1: now that whatever. For the long run, I think I
36:43
Speaker 1: would not use them except that the recovery benefits are
36:45
Speaker 1: so big, Like I recover so much more quickly than
36:47
Speaker 1: I would with the other shoes, and so then it's like, well,
36:50
Speaker 1: I don't know, definitely. I also got my Also, my
36:54
Speaker 1: big thing is I got some like high compression socks,
36:57
Speaker 1: which somebody asked me the other day like do they
36:59
Speaker 1: have any benefits, and like, I don't think so, but
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Speaker 1: I just think they look really.
37:02
Speaker 3: Cool while so to where while you're running.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just like you know, like like the Kira
37:09
Speaker 1: like Kira Demodel. Look where you got like the really
37:11
Speaker 1: high socks. Yeah, just going for it.
37:14
Speaker 2: I think they I think they feel good when I'm racing,
37:17
Speaker 2: Like I feel like, I don't know, my feet aren't swelling.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's own. The whole thing's all in
37:23
Speaker 1: your head anyway. So like I feel like, basically these
37:26
Speaker 1: are just some different ways to the end, I'd be like, oh,
37:28
Speaker 1: like I'm going like cool pink socks.
37:30
Speaker 2: Like all right, Well, since this was a run podcast,
37:33
Speaker 2: we have to end with like a running question that's
37:36
Speaker 2: on every podcast, which is what races you have coming up?
37:39
Speaker 2: And what goals do you have or do you have
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Speaker 2: no goals? Which is kind of how I roll.
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Speaker 1: I have two goals. So in the fall. My goal
37:46
Speaker 1: is to run my first marathon. We talked about that
37:49
Speaker 1: and we'll see if I can do that. And then
37:51
Speaker 1: for the summer we're going to do some shorter stuff
37:53
Speaker 1: and my goal is to beat Mark Zuckerberg's five K time. Yes, nineteen,
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Speaker 1: it's nice, eighteen thirty four. My PR is nineteen fifty
38:02
Speaker 1: and so I think I have some work to do,
38:04
Speaker 1: but I totally feel like I could do.
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Speaker 3: It, totally, especially with those super shoes.
38:10
Speaker 1: Right. No, so yeah, it's like any minute now, I'm
38:13
Speaker 1: coming for you, Mark Zuckerberg.
38:15
Speaker 3: Have you done the Plymouth road Race done in the Cape?
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Speaker 1: I have that. It is so hot.
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Speaker 3: It's a fun race though.
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Speaker 1: It sounds hot. It sounds hot hot.
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Speaker 2: But okay, So I'll be looking for you some on
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Speaker 2: the circuit on the East Coast, on the East Race circuit.
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Speaker 1: Together trying to be Mark Zuckerberg.
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Speaker 2: On the line, looking like a couple of pro runners
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Speaker 2: with our compression back, our carbon cheer.
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Speaker 1: Waiting to lose.
38:46
Speaker 2: Thank you, Laura, Oh, it was a pleasure talking running
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Speaker 2: with you.
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