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The CFL Outsiders S02/E17 You Listen to Jermaine · The CFL Outsiders

• 0:36
  Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain, as always, your 100 % impartial, completely unbiased, and joining every other CFL fan in the country is confused right now, co-host, old man, shouting at clouds.
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  Joining me as always is GT.
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  Hey, good evening everybody.
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  Nothing to talk about.
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  Move along.
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  Move along.
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  Nothing to see here.
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  gonna be a short show, five minutes.
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  And MJ.
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  Yeah, how's it going everyone?
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  As my dad would tell me, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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  I like it.
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  like it.
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  between the games going the way they did this weekend and the announcements it was It feels like it's bizarro land.
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  In fact, I felt like coming on here and saying let's talk animal husbandry or Doily crocheting or whatever because as little as I know about them I feel like right now I know
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  far less about CFL football in Canadian football
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  It's a wild few days.
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  But we're going to talk about all of that excitement in a little bit.
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  Before we do, we're going to get to a few news items.
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  Get them there before we get bogged down too much.
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  So the first one, while it's not really a news item, but we usually, tell you how I do on Fantasy, I did terrible this week.
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  I ignored what GT said last week and picked VA and he got me
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  As captain with double points got me 6.6 points.
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  So I was pretty much hooped.
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  I also could afford the Calgary defense, which is a good one because I took cheap running backs and they got me minus four.
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  But hey, Horvath got me out of BC as a $2,500 running back.
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  I think got me 21 points and all.
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  I ended up 67.9.
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  Got thoroughly thumped by FM or by Argos Fancast.
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  They were like 106.8.
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  But I think, I haven't seen the standings yet, but I think I'm still just barely holding on to the last playoff spot.
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  How about you, GT?
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  How was your week?
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  I did okay.
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  I made a illogical, logical decision and picked Drew Brown as my quarterback and also my captain and some other things fell into place and I ended up with like 118 points.
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  So it was all around not too bad.
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  118 is...
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  Oh, did you?
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  Hey, how did you do?
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  I got 100 points.
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  Excellent.
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  I'm just gonna crawl off.
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  Did I mention 67.9?
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  make Rourke my captain so I would have had more.
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  my god.
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  I am feeling...
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  better.
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  I know nothing about football.
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  Yeah, 100 points, 118 this week was great.
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  It was a low scoring week.
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  you did anybody that didn't have Roark was really low scoring.
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  And I think the top points in the league were like about 120.
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  So wow, you both did good.
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  Okay, I'll remember from now on MJ, I've got to ask you too.
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  Yeah, well, you can always say I didn't bother, but if you're doing it, we should give it.
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  I am impressed and feeling completely inadequate right now.
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  So let's move on.
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  I'll talk more about that on Friday when I drop Old Man Plays CFL fantasy.
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  But for now, let's move on.
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  MJ's got something to tell us about some Canadian women making news.
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  Yeah, there's some Canadian women kicking ass and taking names right now.
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  The Women's World Rugby Cup is happening and we have a team playing.
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  This team of women got some funding to go, but they had to crowdfund a lot of the funds they needed to go to this World Cup.
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  But they made it and they're there and since they've been there, they have just been
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  flying They are outscoring opponents a lot.
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  There's been lots of talk about their ruck speed and their clean breaks and they're just no one can keep up with them.
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  In fact in the semi-finals they were playing New Zealand who is the defending World Cup champions New Zealand gave them the Hakka at the beginning and that was quite impressive
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  to watch if you get a chance to watch it.
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  uh
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  But the women's team won 34-19 against the defending champions.
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  And so they're playing on Saturday against England in the finals.
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  So if you have a chance to check it out, do it.
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  Good job, women.
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  We're all rooting for you.
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  Yes, good luck to them.
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  Do either of you know what time it is or where we can watch it?
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  You can watch it on TSN.
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  TSN has actually been covering it.
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  It has pretty good coverage if you want to go back and look at any of the stories.
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  And there are a lot of quite good stories there.
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  So they've done some really nice background pieces on most of it.
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  And so it is available on TSN.
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  I'm not sure the exact time, but I would assume it's like 10 in the morning or something, if I remember.
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  nine, nine or 10.
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  Not sure the time zone, but it is Saturday morning.
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  And folks are smart enough, they can figure out if we get them close to where to look, they can zoom in from there.
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  But yeah, that is fantastic.
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  In the finals is amazing.
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  I have a granddaughter in high school who took up rugby this year.
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  So who knows if she sticks with it, maybe there's somewhere for her to go.
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  Yeah, the New Zealand team, apparently, if I remember correctly, had only lost three times in their entire existence of 30-plus years or something.
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  So it was a pretty major coup to beat them as well.
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  And now they're going up against England.
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  yeah, it's going to be traditional powerhouses.
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  It's going to be a good match.
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  Unfortunately, these things fly under the radar, so I didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago.
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  But what I've been seeing and hearing is, yes, they look like a powerhouse there.
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  Like you said, MJ, they're a couple of teams that they're thumping pretty darn good.
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  All right, so congratulations to them.
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  Good luck on the match.
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  The one more thing that I wanted to, I don't know how much we need to talk about this, but I just wanted to put it out there because it's a little bit of a...
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  uh disappointment to me.
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  We had this stuff earlier in the season with with Zach getting injured in Winnipeg and then listing it as neck injuries and everything but a head injury.
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  And then on the games we'll talk about a bit later but in the Calgary game VA on a run went down and ended up taking a knee to the back of the helmet pretty good and he was he
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  was very woozy.
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  He was
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  doing the drunk stumble trying to get back to his feet So it looked pretty much like a concussion.
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  And I noticed the injury reports today have him listed as back injury.
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  I'm a little disappointed that it seems like at least some teams when it comes to quarterbacks don't want to tell us what's really going on.
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  I don't know if it's because they're afraid of people getting the idea their quarterback has concussions or what, but it just seems to disappoint me.
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  blowing up, making a mountain out of a molehill here, or is there anything to what I'm saying?
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  Well, I agree with you on, you know, the hidden injuries and how that can happen.
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  And we've talked about that, as you said, a couple of times this year.
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  I will, in defense of the Stampeters, say that Dickinson, after the game, in his postgame, immediately said it was back.
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  It was not a...
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  head injury and that he, VA could have stayed in the game, but the spotters had taken him out, not the team.
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  that they all felt then once the spotters had taken them out, they weren't going to put them back in.
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  But it, but he said immediately it was a back injury.
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  And even then today I saw an interview with VA and again, he said it was back, wasn't head.
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  I'm going to
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  have to think that they're being accurate at least on that one.
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  So he might have taken a shot to the head, but I think what took him out of the game was the back, the knee in the back.
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  I'm willing to give the Dickinson and the Riders a free pass because they don't have a precedent for this, but Winnipeg likes to be very shady with their injury updates and
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  reports and so when they say it's neck injury, I'm a little suspicious of them.
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  Normally I wouldn't ask about it, but to me, first time VA got the head injury, they were very reluctant to call it that.
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  And this one, I'm not a doctor, but I've been around football an awful lot.
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  And just the way that he came out of that hit, that looked to me like a concussion type symptoms.
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  He couldn't find his feet.
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  So I could be wrong.
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  I shouldn't guess these things, but that's what bothers me.
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  definitely staggered around a bit.
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  There's no doubt about it.
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  And I'm not surprised that the spotters took him out of the game.
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  I think that was probably the right decision at that time, whether he could have gone and should have gone back in is another choice they had to make and they made.
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  mean, we're probably going to talk about it later, it wasn't like
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  Antwi where he was barely on his feet and that was really really nasty looking that was not good television.
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  Yeah, I just wish we could get to a point where I feel like I could trust the injury reports.
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  That's just me.
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  Anyway, enough of that.
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  I was also going to ask GT here to tell us a little bit about, I think this is a little bit old, but it bears talking about what the flag teams were doing last week.
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  Yeah, we missed this last week and I almost was going to call it a mea culpa, but it wasn't just me, was all of us, so I didn't know what to call it.
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  But yes, we failed to talk about this last week, so I just wanted to briefly bring it up.
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  It's a bit old, but everybody should know by now that both the men's and the women's, particularly the women's again, Medaled in that tournament in Mexico.
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  and they ended up, they had to medal, they had to get in the top three to be able to go on to the world championships in Germany in the springtime, from there, I believe the top
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  five will then make it to the Olympics in 2028.
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  So we have now both, the men were bronze, the women were silver, and now, both teams are going to the world championships
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  it looks promising at this point.
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  And like the rugby that MJ mentioned earlier, they're doing it with speed and with precision, things that the other teams are not, at this point, accustomed to seeing in
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  both of these sports.
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  So that's interesting that that seems to be the direction the Canadian football rugby operations are going, speed and precision.
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  Yeah, the women were blowing teams out in both tournaments.
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  can't teach speed if you've got it, you're doing well.
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  I could be wrong, but you said the top five, I think it's the top six that goes on to the Olympics.
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  I think it's a full pool of six there.
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  What I had heard was that originally was that this America's qualifying when the top five out of that went to the Worlds.
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  Did either of you catch all the...
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  uh
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  Team Canada flag swag that LaPolice was modeling during the game on the weekend.
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  Absolutely, that was kind of a little bit of the reminder to me to make sure that we talked about this.
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  And some of that was pretty nice stuff.
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  So I might go on on the Football Canada website and see how much that would set me back.
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  So, or my kids as a Christmas present.
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  I'm thinking I may do the same.
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  I mean, I have no need in my life for receiver gloves, but I may have to buy a pair of those just because they look so damn good.
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  And also just quickly, like Flag Football Canada is doing an incredible job on their Instagram and TikTok.
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  And so is Paula Police and some of the players.
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  They're all fantastic, fantastic social media from that whole organization.
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  So if you're on, find them.
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  It's been great.
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  apparently it wasn't quite as easy as it could have been because from what I heard Paul saying the weather wasn't great which of course takes away from speed and talent and he
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  said they didn't even have film on some of the teams they were having to play.
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  So congrats to them.
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  Well done.
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  let's see what else.
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  Oh, I just wanted to let people know we're at the point where teams are hoping to get people back from injury, get some reinforcements in there.
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  Hopefully you don't lose too many more.
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  There were a couple injuries this weekend that probably weren't great, so I thought I'd say we don't know if any of these are starting this weekend, but they're all practicing
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  full again with their teams.
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  And so the, biggest
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  number of them that I've got were with Saskatchewan where the two Canadian receivers, Emelis and Schaefer Baker are both practicing in full and surprise surprise uh Philip
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  Gagnon who I share the torn bicep with is back practicing in full that could be fortunate news because apparently Zach Fry did not participate with a knee so we'll see if Gagnon's
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  in there in the line.
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  The other
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  Two teams that were worth noticing was with the Alouettes, Davis is back officially practicing in full so he will probably be there for the Calgary game I would expect.
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  And in Winnipeg...
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  said that if he felt good after practice, he was going to start him.
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  And in Winnipeg, both Zach and Jareth Stearns are back practicing in full.
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  So that could help their offense somewhat too.
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  Yeah, and I saw today that Nick Arbuckle was actually taking first team reps in Toronto.
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  So that will affect the Argos in a positive manner.
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  And I know that in Calgary last week that Markel Lee was back also from that bicep injury early in the year.
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  And that might make a big difference again to their linebacking core, which has been suffering, in the last few weeks.
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  So if they can get him back, think that helps them a lot in their linebacking core at least.
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  Yeah, thank you.
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  I missed that one completely when I was looking through for it.
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  But these are good news for these teams anyway, that's all that I've got.
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  don't think anybody, unless anybody else has any that I've missed.
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  Now, you mentioned GT that you were going to talk about, and I have to admit sometimes I just flip right through the halftime shows because it depends how the game's going and how
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  much time I have.
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  I don't always necessarily feel like I need to hear what they're thinking based on what I've already seen.
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  So apparently I missed the fact that at some point Joel DeBlanco was on the panel the same day he played this week.
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  Did I get that right, what you said, me?
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  yeah, that's right.
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  Exactly.
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  I was a little surprised at this.
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  We know obviously this year that the TSN has been bringing on players to do the panel with them and getting some input from current players.
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  And I think that's pretty cool.
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  I like the idea, but I was just very surprised that they would have a player on the panel.
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  And then three hours later, he's actually suited up and playing in the game.
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  That's a completely different thing than what they've done previously.
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  It's usually been guys that are on the buy that they've brought on.
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  But this was, I guess the panel was in Hamilton.
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  He was in Hamilton.
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  there's some logic there, but I just was very surprised.
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  And like you, old man, I have spent a lot of time this year watching games on replay and zipping through stuff and not really noticing.
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  But Saturday night, actually sat down, my wife and I sat down and watched this game together for the first time in a long time.
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  And of course, in that case, I have to patiently sit through the commercials and everything else that's going on and not cut off the volume and not talk to the TV so much.
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  So I actually noticed this.
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  I just thought it was interesting that, that they would,
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  they would do it and that he would be allowed to do it on a game which shouldn't he be out you know doing whatever mental prep or whatever it is three hours before the game than
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  being on TSN so I just thought it was a little interesting that that they went that route.
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  Was there no injured player in the GTA area that was available to do that panel?
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  Like, Arbuckle, what are you, like, you could have put Arbuckle on that panel.
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  Yeah.
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  But I'll say this, based on the way De Planco played, and especially that one delayed blitz where he just lit up Bo, I'm thinking maybe every team's gonna be calling the panel
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  and going, can we send a guy over pregame?
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  All right.
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  Yeah, they are being unique with some of their stuff.
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  Last thing before we get to the news.
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  I just wanted to talk a little bit, I don't know if either of you have seen, I've been picking these up off of CFL.ca They're started putting out their computer projections each
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  week based on what's happened so far and which teams are going to make the playoffs.
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  And I know people that are, well I should say I know people, acquaintances or folks that I...
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  interact with on uh on some on the blue sky and the reddit that take this stuff really seriously and I struggle because To me it's all numbers.
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  It doesn't take into what happens with the humans and there's stuff like Someone was telling me a couple of weeks ago Ottawa had a better chance of then I think anyone but
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  Hamilton to win the wet win the East when they were behind everybody this last week
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  Calgary's had two bad losses and all of a sudden they have they have lower odds to make the playoffs have a playoff home game and win the West than either BC and Winnipeg do.
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  Which I don't get based on a couple of games and Winnipeg has one big game, Roark has a fantastic game and all of a sudden they're the top odds to win the Grey Cup.
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  So
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  Does any of this make any sense to you?
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  I'm not even sure why they bother doing it, but I guess it's content.
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  Yeah, you hit it right on.
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  It's content, it drives conversation sometimes, good or bad.
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  It's like power rankings.
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  They don't matter.
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  They're just made up stuff.
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  It's AI generated, it's computer generated, so there's at least power rankings.
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  Generally, there are some guy putting a pen to pencil or a pen to paper or whatever and trying to figure it out versus this stuff is just generated by a random roll of the dice
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  or a machine algorithm.
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  So it's completely irrelevant and all it's good for is getting fans wound up one way or the other.
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  What I know is that they have BC and Hamilton in the Grey Cup and so I'm totally fine with it.
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  Well, that'll make for an interesting weekend at your house anyway,
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  Yeah,
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  So, first game Montreal 21 at Toronto 19.
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  Were you there GT?
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  Well, Friday night was not my best football night because I didn't get to see the entire game in both games because there was a big problem with the GO Trains on Friday night in
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  Toronto and it took me more than almost like two hours when it should have taken me an hour.
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  And so therefore I got into the game.
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  It was already the end of the first quarter when I got to the game.
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  And then in the second game, because I was recording that, but somehow
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  the recording got thrown off, I missed the first quarter of that game too.
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  So it wasn't my best thing, but I will say when I got to the game in Toronto, Montreal, I asked my pals, what did I miss?
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  And they said, nothing.
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  They said, you missed two interceptions and then Toronto doing nothing with the ball and kicking two field goals.
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  And that's kind of how it was.
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  I will say it wasn't again until the end of the game that it got interesting.
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  And there was a couple of decisions there that I thought were really bizarre throughout the game by Dinwood and his staff.
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  at the end of the game, I don't know why he threw that pass on the last play.
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  I just had no idea when to me, speaking of long field goals, they were in field goal range and all they had to do was run the ball.
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  Even if they had to got two more yards,
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  they would have had a legitimate shot at making a long field goal to win them the game.
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  Instead, they threw a four yard pass on an out that was obvious to everybody in the stands, including the defensive back on the field who just nimbly stepped in front of it,
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  game over Montreal wins.
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  So I didn't understand that decision It was exciting.
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  as it always is in the last three minutes.
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  What did you think?
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  I'll let you jump in, MJ, but I want to ask specifically, because you were there GT, what did you and the fans think about the drive before that going for it on third down with a
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  couple of minutes left and then kicking the field goal with another minute off the clock?
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  We were all like, what are you doing?
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  It's third and four, you're at their 29 yard line, you just converted a third and four and exactly the same 10 yards earlier, you're driven down the field.
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  Everybody was like, what's going on?
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  Why are you doing that?
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  That's a dumb decision.
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  But then as soon as they kicked it, I did the mental math and went, oh, they're playing the long game.
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  They're playing, there's a minute and a half left, we get the ball back.
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  on a two and out, we get a shot at another field goal rather than this one shot at a potential touchdown So they made, and they needed the points one way or the other.
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  And then it worked because if they hadn't have made that last second play, that would have been a brilliant decision to kick a field goal and then get a second field goal.
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  It was that last second play or that last interception that changed that decision before that.
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  It did, but I still got a question, if you're going to say you're going to, you're going to take the points and then come back and March and have maybe have to kill off a bit more
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  clock.
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  Why not do that 10 yards further out with, with two and a half minutes left.
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  So now if you hold them to and out, you're going to get the ball back with a minute and 20 left instead of whatever it was, you know, that that's what baffled.
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  odd call.
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  And because it didn't work, it looked it was even more odd.
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  But I kind of understood the math, as I say.
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  But I agree.
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  I was looking across the aisle at the fan across the aisle, and both of us had our hands in the air going, what are they doing?
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  Yeah.
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  What about you, MJ?
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  Any thoughts?
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  ah Well, I didn't actually write down a lot for any of these games I didn't think we'd be discussing them a whole lot, but I have a couple things um I just laughed because I was
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  like in my hatred of Ryan and co I forgot how much I hated McLeod Bethel Thompson and His inability to string two good games together MAss and Dinwiddie both just looked so
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  exasperated They both look and then um, Doege had was the Argos top rusher with 18 yards and I just
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  So, I just feel like another team had anything going and in fact the Royals and the Jays were playing and the Jays could have clinched that playoff game on that game and the
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  Royals scored 20 runs on them and they had more runs than the Argos had points and I was like, it was a bad day for Toronto sports.
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  his jeans.
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  I believe that.
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  And they kept saying that.
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  I can't remember who was the color on the...
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  How could McLeod-Mensal-Thompson have 400 yards last week and look so bad this week?
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  Well, because...
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  Yeah, because this week he was playing against actual experienced defensive backs.
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  The team hadn't pulled in a couple of six-year-olds off the street and said, here, play corner for me.
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  Oh, no, I, I, I had a couple of questions on it.
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  I don't want to go on with two of this too long.
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  The first one in this wouldn't probably have affected you at the game at all, GD, but on television, who the hell is overdrive and why are they screwing up my tell my football
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  watching time?
• 24:45
  They had whatever.
• 24:46
  I'd assume it's some kind of sports show out of Toronto and probably a TSN property.
• 24:50
  So they wanted to promote it.
• 24:51
  But the last thing I need to do while I'm trying to watch football is listen to some
• 24:55
  idiot tell the story about how at 16 years old he was a volunteer at Commonwealth Stadium and put out a fire that he feels saved the stadium.
• 25:04
  Go, just go away.
• 25:06
  And it just, kept coming back to it.
• 25:07
  They had them in the booth, they had them on the sidelines.
• 25:10
  I don't get it.
• 25:11
  I didn't like the in-game interviews ever.
• 25:14
  I didn't like them in the Hall of Fame.
• 25:15
  I certainly don't like it for some bunch of radio jocks that...
• 25:19
  mean nothing to anyone outside of the GTA.
• 25:22
  Actually, that program is syndicated across the country, unfortunately.
• 25:26
  So, um yeah, yeah.
• 25:31
  it is, it's, you know, and they draw ratings.
• 25:37
  Those three guys draw ratings.
• 25:38
  I don't know why.
• 25:39
  I've never liked them.
• 25:41
  They're a bunch of puck heads and I've never understood it.
• 25:44
  But, you know, puck heads rule.
• 25:46
  It's that time.
• 25:47
  They want to drive it back.
• 25:49
  And again, yeah, so thankfully at the stadium, I didn't have to witness any of that.
• 25:55
  You're so lucky.
• 25:57
  And then the only other thing, the only other observation, well, my note said, MBT's gone colorblind, throwing to the other guys again.
• 26:04
  Toronto can't get anything but field goals out of it.
• 26:07
  And that was pretty much covered the game completely, except there was one spot and this is, usually I'm not, don't pay quite that much attention and I probably wouldn't have
• 26:18
  noticed it.
• 26:19
  happens occasionally, but just how egregious it was.
• 26:21
  There was one point, I think in the third quarter there where I rewound the thing just to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing and then ask the goddess because she used to do
• 26:32
  sideline chain work and she was pretty good at spotting them.
• 26:36
  The Argos on second and about eight or nine got tackled two yards short of the first down and the ball was placed third in inches.
• 26:47
  The refs just gifted them two extra yards.
• 26:50
  The replay center never stepped in, never said anything about it.
• 26:53
  And I mean, they were a good refing crew.
• 26:55
  I think it was Andre that was doing that game, wasn't it?
• 26:58
  I can't remember.
• 27:00
  Andre looked pissed off the entire game.
• 27:04
  I've never seen him look that way.
• 27:06
  From every replay we watched, every time he made a call on the big screen, he looked angry.
• 27:14
  Angry, like just like, I don't know what it was, but he did not look happy at all, whether it was the crew he was working with, whether it was the calls, what it was.
• 27:23
  But I've never seen him look like that.
• 27:25
  before.
• 27:26
  It was interesting.
• 27:27
  And that one play even from the stands were like, not everybody was on.
• 27:31
  Whoa, that was a bit, but I noticed I was like, man, they're way because I went they're way short.
• 27:36
  And then all of sudden, no, they're not.
• 27:38
  I'm like, wow, how did that happen?
• 27:40
  So
• 27:41
  Exactly.
• 27:43
  Anything else?
• 27:44
  No.
• 27:45
  Well, the next one is the Calgary game.
• 27:48
  And we normally would let you run with this GT, but I've got a total of five points here on the game.
• 27:55
  So I'm going to put them out quickly and then let you comment.
• 27:57
  Okay.
• 27:57
  This is my summary of the game.
• 28:00
  BC good, Calgary bad.
• 28:03
  VA, two interceptions.
• 28:05
  Bell U hurt, not good for BC.
• 28:09
  Does slow out make that big of a difference?
• 28:12
  Flush it and move on.
• 28:13
  Yeah.
• 28:14
  Well, as I said, I missed the first, I basically missed a bunch of the first 10 minutes or so.
• 28:18
  I got the game right after always interception in the second touchdown.
• 28:23
  So it was 14 nothing when I turned it on.
• 28:27
  and you could see right away from right over that, as I said, VA was in his head and he was having one of those games and it was not pretty.
• 28:38
  And
• 28:38
  I'm, you know, the offense is the offense and that's driven by him.
• 28:42
  So I'm okay with that, so to speak.
• 28:45
  was, he was having a horrible night and it showed.
• 28:48
  I thought Mills played pretty well and did everything he could.
• 28:51
  And I thought he ran the ball hard.
• 28:53
  So, and they called enough of his plays that he got that.
• 28:57
  But I think people have figured out the defense and I'm more worried about the defense and I'm worried about the offense.
• 29:04
  So, because I think at the beginning of the year, everybody was all agog about this defense that that Calgary was playing and how it seemed to be so simple and yet everything
• 29:14
  was so easy for them to manipulate.
• 29:17
  And I just think now the offensive coordinators have figured out the defense.
• 29:21
  And if we don't aren't able to make some adjustments on defense, we're going to be in for a long run.
• 29:26
  So I don't think it's flow being out of the game.
• 29:28
  I think it's that's too easy because
• 29:31
  Flo was in the game for most of the game against Edmonton and were still, and Hutchins was out, so they had another guy out, but they, but they still got run all over and they still
• 29:43
  got, you know, they still weren't able to adjust.
• 29:46
  And I just think that right now this defense needs to be more complicated, needs to, needs to start sending some, some more exotic blitzes, I think is the term.
• 29:58
  And yeah, I'm more worried about the defense than I am the offense.
• 30:02
  Yeah, I have a note saying that V.A.
• 30:04
  looked really jittery.
• 30:07
  And it's just, yeah, he got hurt.
• 30:10
  I was putting my kid to bed and I came back and all of sudden V.A.'s not on the field and I have like a string of messages, just, all down like everyone talking about V.A.
• 30:21
  And then I did see a replay of it and I was like, ooh, bad.
• 30:24
  And then Walker got hurt and he's out for the year.
• 30:28
  And that was bad.
• 30:29
  I was like, oh, poor Calgary.
• 30:31
  I'm like, I'm calling Edmonton right now to see if Ford's available.
• 30:36
  Dave won a challenge, guys.
• 30:38
  He did it.
• 30:40
  Yay, Dave.
• 30:41
  It was.
• 30:42
  good challenge!
• 30:43
  beginning of the game and it didn't really make a difference but the important thing is that he won it and he tried and he did it.
• 30:50
  yes, yes, I'm not saying the timing or anything, but I'm saying it was a challenge, he was gonna win he actually picked one, it was obvious
• 30:57
  you just got to start the bar low and work your way up.
• 31:00
  Rourke looked, Rourke and Hatcher were just having a field day out there, just clicking along, having a great day.
• 31:06
  And then TSN, my, my, nonsense that they do, which player was it?
• 31:12
  Which Calgary player?
• 31:13
  They, they showed him coming off the field, clearly concussed and was weaving all over and they had to be propped up.
• 31:19
  And then they showed him waiting outside the injury tent.
• 31:22
  weaving and almost collapsing do better TSM that was no one needed to see him doing that that was off.
• 31:30
  that was was Jeshwan Antwi.
• 31:32
  And yeah, yeah, it was that was as I said earlier, that was not good television.
• 31:38
  No, no one needs to see, like, just don't, no.
• 31:41
  They could have panned to anything else on that entire stadium, except for him waiting to try and get in that injury tent and him like, like that was, no, no.
• 31:52
  but that, yeah, and that's what they do.
• 31:54
  Like I said earlier, I talked about the VA when he got the concussion earlier in the season.
• 31:59
  And part of the reason I knew that that was a concussion was they were waiting.
• 32:02
  And as soon as he came out of the tent, they had the camera in his face.
• 32:06
  And as he walks to the bench they back up and just are looking, and you can see his eyes and everything, you know.
• 32:11
  But yeah, I agree, we don't need to see that.
• 32:13
  That's it.
• 32:13
  Anything else?
• 32:15
  No.
• 32:16
  Well, I'll just finish by saying I kind of agree with you too, GT.
• 32:20
  They kept talking about how Slowak had designed a simple offense for because they were young players and they were just playing fast and adapting to it.
• 32:30
  And it was helping them.
• 32:31
  And I think maybe it's a couple of things.
• 32:35
  One is you're right.
• 32:36
  Maybe defenses are figuring it out and finding out where the spots are with it.
• 32:39
  But the other thing that
• 32:41
  that I do see as a huge difference in the last two games.
• 32:45
  they didn't play great in Labor Day and they still won it.
• 32:47
  But the difference in the last two games is I'm not seeing anywhere near the pressure on the quarterbacks.
• 32:52
  And that's what I think like any good defense, but that one defense was really dependent on it.
• 32:57
  They were getting in people's faces, hurrying the throws, getting interceptions off of it, all of that.
• 33:02
  And I don't see it now.
• 33:03
  So that's where I don't know, it?
• 33:06
  that people have figured out how they're doing their twists and their schemes, or is it just the fact that without both Hutchings and Orimalde in there, the talent level drops
• 33:17
  off enough that they can block better with five and they don't have to worry about bringing in the back to help or anything like that?
• 33:25
  I don't know.
• 33:26
  Yeah, yeah, I think it's a combination of all of the above because you can't lose a player of Orimalade's standard without losing something.
• 33:35
  There's no doubt about that.
• 33:36
  yeah, you know, just, again, that's the big concern for me is can they fix that in one, either by design or by player, but they need to fix it one way or the other.
• 33:49
  Yeah, exactly.
• 33:49
  If they can't get the extra talent in, then they have to start changing up what they're doing.
• 33:54
  I agree.
• 33:55
  Anything else on this?
• 33:57
  Okay, another game that I think, think a lot of these games are worth moving through fitted quickly.
• 34:01
  Winnipeg, at home to Ottawa, 26-18, we'd all picked Ottawa.
• 34:05
  I think everybody picked Ottawa.
• 34:07
  Ottawa just decided they weren't going to win the game.
• 34:09
  They didn't want to.
• 34:10
  They were, they moved the ball.
• 34:12
  I...
• 34:13
  I stole this from Oz of Rouge White and Blue podcast that him and Joe do out of the states there.
• 34:19
  And if you don't listen to it, you should.
• 34:21
  They've got a unique take on CFL from an American perspective.
• 34:24
  But he pointed out, he wished there was somebody that did a record check because he said, has there ever been a game where a quarterback got over 350 more passing yards than the
• 34:37
  opposing quarterback and lost the game?
• 34:40
  That's what happened.
• 34:43
  Strevler was good on three of eight for 54 yards.
• 34:47
  Drew Brown was somewhere up over 400 yards.
• 34:51
  So he had 300.
• 34:52
  Yeah.
• 34:52
  So he had, okay.
• 34:54
  Yeah.
• 34:54
  So he had 352 yards more than Strelver and they lost the game.
• 34:59
  And it was just because Ottawa couldn't get out of their own way.
• 35:03
  They'd march down the field.
• 35:04
  They'd just get close to field goal range.
• 35:06
  You'd throw an interception.
• 35:08
  They get into field goal range, they missed two field goals, gave up one for a touchdown and the other one was a 71 yard return to midfield.
• 35:18
  had, you had 199 yards and missed field goal returns on two of them.
• 35:24
  Ottawa just kept giving the ball away, just making mistakes with it.
• 35:28
  They scored a touchdown on their first drive and on their last play.
• 35:33
  And that was their game.
• 35:34
  Yeah, it was the weirdest game I've ever seen, I think.
• 35:37
  It was the strangest game to watch because Ottawa was moving the ball and on that first drive, it was like, my goodness, Drew Brown is awesome.
• 35:46
  Look at this.
• 35:47
  This is crazy how good they look.
• 35:49
  And then you just kept going, yeah, they look, they're moving the ball.
• 35:53
  mistake, mistake, mistake.
• 35:55
  And they just, you know, let's get our feet.
• 35:57
  They just couldn't get out of their own way.
• 35:59
  Like it was...
• 36:01
  It was wild.
• 36:02
  And in the meantime, the bombers were just, plowing forward with, a run after run after run and Ottawa was doing their best to stop them, their defense.
• 36:12
  the other two, yeah, the other two portions of the game were not helping.
• 36:18
  Yeah.
• 36:18
  But it wasn't like Brady had 150 or 200 yards.
• 36:21
  He had about a hundred.
• 36:22
  So they got running out of him.
• 36:24
  But I just kept waiting for Ottawa to, okay, just get your feet under you and it's going to be fine.
• 36:29
  And it was halfway through the second quarter.
• 36:31
  saying that.
• 36:32
  And then we get to the end of the half.
• 36:34
  Okay.
• 36:34
  And then by the time we're about halfway through the third quarter, I'm going, I don't think they're going to do it.
• 36:39
  It baffled me.
• 36:40
  Three completions.
• 36:42
  Three completions.
• 36:44
  have the forward pass is now legal in this league
• 36:47
  UGH
• 36:47
  I think he had one at half.
• 36:51
  Yeah, yeah, other two came late in the fourth quarter.
• 36:54
  Yeah.
• 36:54
  I have three notes on this game.
• 36:58
  First and most important, I was at the ballet on Saturday afternoon so I did not watch this game and the physicality I saw at the ballet was of much higher quality than this
• 37:09
  football game.
• 37:10
  Second point, in 1960 the Bombers beat Edmonton 18 to 14 with 0 yards passing.
• 37:19
  So they've done it before.
• 37:22
  And sorry, what year was that?
• 37:25
  Oh, okay.
• 37:25
  So kind of the modern era.
• 37:28
  and they found it out.
• 37:29
  And then my last note is that Strevler is two and one as a starter.
• 37:34
  Just amazing.
• 37:36
  Yes.
• 37:38
  Yeah.
• 37:39
  I guess so.
• 37:40
  The last thing I've got on the game is a little bit of negativity.
• 37:43
  And it's just to me, it's this may be driven by the fact that I share this brain with somebody who's a big Rider fan and he notices this, but it seems like anytime that the
• 37:53
  Riders are involved in a hit on a quarterback, it's the end of the world and they're the dirtiest team and the entire league's talking about it for the
• 38:02
  for the full week.
• 38:03
  In this game, there were twice that Winnipeg defenders hit Drew Brown with true headshots.
• 38:09
  The crown of their helmet hitting their first driving in.
• 38:12
  They both got penalized, which they should do.
• 38:15
  I'm hoping they both get fined, which they should do.
• 38:17
  But as far as fan reaction or controversy over it, crickets.
• 38:21
  It's what happens in football.
• 38:23
  And I don't get that double standard.
• 38:26
  I think that might be driven by a little bit by the game and the weirdness of the game taking over and everybody only talking about 53 yards and three completions.
• 38:41
  then everything changed as of yesterday.
• 38:48
  So I don't think anybody's really talking much about.
• 38:51
  it too much.
• 38:52
  Yeah.
• 38:52
  hear your comment.
• 38:53
  I get your comment.
• 38:54
  I agree.
• 38:55
  Yeah, and the other thing is Brown got up after both of them.
• 38:59
  If he'd been taken out after one, there might be more complaints about it.
• 39:01
  So we'll see.
• 39:03
  Okay.
• 39:04
  And then the last game.
• 39:06
  You've got the Arkells and the Tiger Cats on today, so I guess you better take this one here.
• 39:10
  Edmonton 27 and Hamilton 29.
• 39:13
  A decisive victory that was never in doubt.
• 39:16
  saw decisive victory indeed.
• 39:18
  my sister and I actually debriefed about this on Sunday.
• 39:22
  We were having a chat about it and we were both very not impressed with the TIGHATS again and that they lost this game.
• 39:31
  Like, they should have lost.
• 39:32
  They should have.
• 39:33
  They should have.
• 39:33
  And the Elks are just a little bit worse than them.
• 39:36
  But the Elks kind of give, they- the- the reason I picked the Elks to win this game is that
• 39:41
  They gave the tie cats everything they could handle when they played last time.
• 39:46
  ah Yeah, and I honestly, I think that was a touchdown.
• 39:54
  I think it was a touchdown.
• 39:55
  I think that Elk's catch was a touchdown and I think they probably should have won that game.
• 40:00
  But I am not the replay center, so carry on.
• 40:05
  I just don't know if you guys knew that it was windy.
• 40:08
  Hmm
• 40:08
  that game.
• 40:10
  I'm not sure if you had been aware that it was windy.
• 40:14
  Well, once I watched for a while.
• 40:16
  Yeah, just, it was mentioned a thousand times.
• 40:18
  And you know what?
• 40:19
  Despite that, kick, were nine field goal, nine for nine on field goals between two kickers.
• 40:24
  And in fact, Leguio was who they interviewed after the game.
• 40:29
  he said all the, they tried to interview other players.
• 40:31
  They're like, no, go talk to Leguio.
• 40:32
  Like he's who you need to talk to where you don't need to talk to Wes.
• 40:35
  So that was really sweet.
• 40:37
  He should have been that.
• 40:39
  I will say, even if you had the TV on mute, you got to know it was windy because every time there was any kind of a break in play, we got 20 seconds of the flags at the top of
• 40:47
  the goalpost flying one way or another.
• 40:50
  This was Hall of Fame induction day and unlike you, I love the interviews.
• 40:57
  I usually hate in player interviews, I love Hall of Fame interviews because I like to hear about their experiences and I like to hear about how they got the phone call that they
• 41:08
  were inducted and their family's there and it's really, really nice.
• 41:12
  um
• 41:13
  I thought this was what I was gonna rage about this week and I had a whole thing prepared.
• 41:16
  I thought this surely was the thing I was gonna go to the wall on and then yesterday happened.
• 41:23
  But they were interviewing Jermaine Copeland and Rod Peterson, Jermaine Copeland was saying about how Nick called him and he and Nick were crying on the phone together about
• 41:33
  his induction and he was just so overwhelmed.
• 41:36
  And Rod Peterson told Jermaine Copeland that he would have to hand in his man card for crying.
• 41:42
  Oh god.
• 41:43
  I missed that.
• 41:44
  I was furious!
• 41:47
  I looked to my son and I was like, that's not true.
• 41:51
  I was like, that's not true.
• 41:52
  You listen to Jermaine.
• 41:53
  That's who you listen to.
• 41:55
  You don't listen to this clown.
• 41:57
  And honestly, honestly, I just, I was so disappointed to hear that come out of somebody's mouth on a national broadcast.
• 42:08
  And it really just ruined my game experience and
• 42:14
  for while because I was was stewing about it and I couldn't believe someone would say that.
• 42:21
  And I just, anyway, congratulations Jermaine Copeland.
• 42:24
  I'm glad you cried on the phone because you were so overwhelmed with joy and playing in the CFL meant so much to you that you were so emotional.
• 42:33
  And you know what, that's a great example for men to be.
• 42:39
  I look forward to Rod's apology the next time he's on air.
• 42:42
  so and I'm proud of you saying to your son I've said before I really don't go for the personal interviews that much
• 42:50
  But I'm great with having them, but you've got a half time in a pregame show to do all that in.
• 42:54
  Why do we have to have them talking and that cognitive dissonance while we're trying to watch a football game and we're losing the insights of the commentators So that's just me.
• 43:06
  Anything else you had for the game?
• 43:09
  I have something that ticked me off and got me going about something that I've had a problem with for a long time.
• 43:18
  And that was at the half, they were talking about statistics and they were saying that Cody had a pretty good half.
• 43:26
  He was over 100 yards passing, I think it was 120 yards passing.
• 43:30
  And I was like, no, he's not.
• 43:32
  he's not having a good half at all.
• 43:34
  In fact, I thought he was pretty bad in the first half.
• 43:37
  And in fact, if you look at it, he has like 34 yards passing and Rankin has 79 yards running.
• 43:46
  So don't give the quarterback the passing yardage on that play.
• 43:51
  I really do, I really have had a problem with passing yard statistics for a long time and I wish they would, there's yards after catch, why isn't there yards in the air?
• 44:04
  the statistic for a quarterback should be yards in the air not yard period for in the reception because i a york up a play like that is the best example that was a four yard
• 44:17
  pass in the air and yet it was a seventy nine yard play that for Fajardo got all the credits in the statistics for and that's ridiculous that is totally ridiculous that those
• 44:30
  statistics go to him
• 44:32
  and not either to the running back at all, other than yards after catch, which don't show up anywhere.
• 44:38
  Because when they show the statistics on the board at the halftime, they don't put yards after catch.
• 44:44
  They just put receptions, right?
• 44:47
  So that's nonsense.
• 44:49
  And it totally distorts how good or how accurate a quarterback's
• 44:55
  play is in a half, a quarter, and an entire game.
• 44:59
  And I wish that we, you know, within this game, in this age of analytics, and this was almost going to be an all about me this week, but then I just, and then yesterday
• 45:10
  happened, so I decided to let it go that far.
• 45:13
  But I will say, it does make me crazy.
• 45:16
  And this was the best example of it where
• 45:19
  you know, in an age of analytics where we can have all this stuff and all this stuff is supposed to matter and what you're betting on and so on, then, let's bet on what's in the
• 45:28
  air and what's yardage that a quarterback throws rather than keep track of that rather than, a running back, taking a ball, especially the way the game's being played now where
• 45:40
  that happens more and more than it ever used to.
• 45:44
  because they're all these short passes with the shell defenses, every team's running.
• 45:48
  So now it's all these little outs and they say, well, it's part of the running game now where they throw the out to the back coming out of the backfield and he's on a sideline
• 46:00
  and all of sudden it's a two, but that becomes a 20 yard pass because it's in the air.
• 46:06
  It's ridiculous.
• 46:07
  It's ridiculous.
• 46:09
  even worse, the ones where they bring them across on the jet sweep and they do the little chest path where they just pop it up to them and that then counts as a pass.
• 46:17
  That's one thing that when you mentioned that, it made me realize something about that Winnipeg game is Dempski didn't get a pass.
• 46:22
  So his consecutive game streak of 80 some games with a catch is gone now.
• 46:27
  But I've no, he didn't.
• 46:30
  I just checked the stats.
• 46:31
  He was one, one attempt, zero reception.
• 46:34
  I thought so too, but no, because
• 46:36
  That pisses me off because you see so many of these guys that now have these streaks in the 50, 60, 100 game range.
• 46:44
  And I've seen at least three or four games where Dempsky only has it going because towards the end of the game, they did one of those to make sure he got it.
• 46:52
  And I look back and I remember watching Don Narcisse get to his, what was it, 201, 202 games with a catch.
• 47:00
  And there was none of that.
• 47:02
  It was...
• 47:03
  There might be the odd wide receiver screen, but it was out there catching a ball in every game and he'll never get caught on that number anyway.
• 47:09
  But it just that there's so many of these records that don't make so much sense to me.
• 47:14
  Like, that one.
• 47:15
  And then the other one, as you said, short passes and that everybody in the league is over 70%.
• 47:20
  look at what great quarterbacks we have.
• 47:24
  We're still not seeing more scoring out of it or anything.
• 47:26
  It's just the way the game's going.
• 47:28
  when you don't throw anything more than five yards down field, you're probably going to be up in those seventies.
• 47:36
  Yeah.
• 47:37
  So yeah, no, I didn't think Fajardo and honestly, since he's come back, I think he's looked okay.
• 47:43
  I think he's been running around making things happen to some extent, but I don't think he's delivered what I would consider a clinic where he sat back and just driven offense.
• 47:53
  I think they've had a few things handed to them and I'm all right with it.
• 47:58
  But that's always been his game.
• 47:59
  He, somehow he...
• 48:00
  He looks like he shouldn't be good enough to win.
• 48:03
  And yet he does.
• 48:05
  And it's not pretty but ever since he caught fire in Saskatchewan, when he's been on, I at least sit there and look at him and go, you can't win a game playing like this, but he
• 48:17
  does.
• 48:18
  So I don't know how it happens.
• 48:21
  You've been very quiet, MJ.
• 48:22
  Sorry, have we pushed you out of the conversation?
• 48:24
  no, I'm sorry.
• 48:26
  Is it getting too late?
• 48:26
  Are we losing yet?
• 48:27
  I was like, this is fine.
• 48:30
  Okay, well I won't say anything more on this other than I mentioned the really nice delayed blitz by Deblanko that needs to be acknowledged.
• 48:40
  Hilaire for Edmonton looks like he could be somebody who's worth paying attention to.
• 48:45
  He hasn't blown up yet, but he's made some nice catches with the stuff.
• 48:49
  What else did I have here?
• 48:50
  Oh, there were two separate field goal attempts that Edmonton got called for no end on.
• 48:57
  Which I don't know how that happens and apparently Mark Killam doesn't either because he lost it.
• 49:02
  was hilarious.
• 49:04
  It's so bad.
• 49:05
  twice.
• 49:06
  But it happened twice.
• 49:09
  So they must have been doing something wrong.
• 49:13
  And then why was he?
• 49:14
  it?
• 49:15
  looked like he was not he like he seemed pretty sure that he was not doing something wrong the way he was Freaking out at the ref So I was like well Who's right here?
• 49:26
  Yeah?
• 49:26
  Well that's what it looked like to me when you said GT.
• 49:28
  and I, and I couldn't figure out who he was so mad at, at the game end.
• 49:33
  It's like, like after the game ended and they lost on that field goal, it was like, why is he just now just, it looked like he, I don't, I, was going to like have a meltdown.
• 49:44
  I was like, so who's he so upset with?
• 49:47
  Is it his team?
• 49:48
  Is it the ref?
• 49:49
  Who is it?
• 49:50
  But I don't know.
• 49:55
  It was, it was odd.
• 49:57
  I don't know it.
• 49:58
  Yeah, and I kind of got the impression what you were saying there MJ that they called him the first time and he said and he was arguing it a lot.
• 50:05
  So I think he said to his team while they don't know the rules, don't worry about it.
• 50:09
  And they did exactly the same thing rather than adapting to what the ref has just told you.
• 50:15
  Yeah, he's um, he's given Jason Mass a run for his money, isn't he?
• 50:19
  And Brian.
• 50:20
  oh
• 50:22
  he's more animated anger.
• 50:24
  He's not like the Dickinson, just constant, slightly below the boil that pops over now and then.
• 50:33
  He's more like a Dinwiddie or a Mass When he gets angry, you know it.
• 50:36
  Things are flying around and his arms are going...
• 50:38
  Anyway.
• 50:40
  that you're mad, but you lost that game.
• 50:45
  Let's talk about Williamson.
• 50:47
  Williamson was that clown from Toronto that came over to the Elks.
• 50:51
  Got that roughing the passer call.
• 50:54
  Got that roughing the passer call, march him up 15 years.
• 50:56
  They're basically in field goal range.
• 50:58
  You wanna be mad at someone, talk to him.
• 51:00
  Why is he, I wouldn't even have let him on the plane.
• 51:04
  Like.
• 51:04
  call, that call or that penalty, which was a stupid, selfish penalty to took that cost them the game because they were holding Hamilton to five, 10 yards a pass and they weren't
• 51:14
  going to have time to get into field goal range.
• 51:16
  But that gave it away.
• 51:18
  As soon as he took that, I said, well, okay.
• 51:20
  Yeah, we're done.
• 51:21
  that was beacons his mouth off at the Argos game last week before.
• 51:25
  So at what point is he worth his roster spot?
• 51:28
  Well, I don't know, apparently he's a pretender, you know.
• 51:31
  Yeah, well, maybe that's true.
• 51:33
  Maybe Ryan was right.
• 51:35
  Maybe Ryan has something going for him.
• 51:37
  Alrighty.
• 51:37
  such fun.
• 51:38
  Amazing how much there is to talk about a bunch of games that the best of which were watchable.
• 51:45
  Ugh.
• 51:46
  Yeah.
• 51:46
  Yeah.
• 51:47
  Alrighty.
• 51:48
  Let's wrap this.
• 51:50
  We've been going two and a half hours here now, so I'm going to have to split this into two, but we'll move on to our game predictions this week.
• 51:57
  we've got Calgary at Montreal is the first one.
• 52:02
  Davis is back practicing full.
• 52:04
  We don't know if he's starting yet.
• 52:07
  VA was limited in practice and it's hard to say, but I have trouble seeing him.
• 52:13
  being ready to come back this week.
• 52:14
  they will be have Logan Bonner, Love who's there on their practice roster and Vaughn is what I'm predicting, not guaranteeing.
• 52:26
  So predictions folks.
• 52:27
  Your team, GT.
• 52:28
  lull in figure skating where they say, now we're going to go to the judges scores and everybody's tabulating.
• 52:34
  No, I was just waiting to see whether you wanted me to go first.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:40
  Well, all indications are this should be a Montreal victory and therefore I'm picking Calgary.
• 52:46
  Okay, work for you a couple of weeks.
• 52:49
  Um
• 52:50
  I honestly think again, I think that they will be better.
• 52:54
  think Davis Alexander is back, but he's been out for many weeks.
• 52:59
  It's going to take him a little bit of time to get his feet wet.
• 53:03
  I think VA is going to play.
• 53:04
  I think VA is going to play and I think he's going to be better.
• 53:08
  I don't know how much better, but I think he's going to be closer to August than September.
• 53:16
  And I see where I'm coming from is that's the big difference is I don't see him making it back in.
• 53:21
  this is me making assumptions about what they said, but I'm assuming it's a concussion.
• 53:27
  They're still in a spot where they can win the West and they can have a real good shot at a home playoff game.
• 53:35
  And so why put him in there too early and risk losing in the rest of the season?
• 53:39
  That's what I'm thinking.
• 53:41
  So I'm taking Montreal.
• 53:42
  How about you MJ?
• 53:43
  So I think Calgary are going to try and play VA if they can, especially because Walker is injured and they just have Percy.
• 53:52
  Whether VA is going to...
• 53:54
  You know what, someone pointed out that he hasn't looked good since he's been sick.
• 53:59
  And I thought that was pretty interesting, so I don't know if that's something or if that's nothing.
• 54:05
  He just looks pretty rattled.
• 54:07
  Alexander is back, he's like the biggest hype man for that team.
• 54:14
  If he's rusty, maybe.
• 54:18
  Calgary defense looks terrible.
• 54:21
  Montreal defense looks good.
• 54:24
  They're playing with end zones that are a little curve, like you cut off.
• 54:29
  you know, how do you, how does that affect?
• 54:32
  Yeah, how does that affect the Dave Dickinson's play calling home field advantage for the Alouettes?
• 54:38
  I just got a notice that McGill said they are not going to be paying for any renos to their stadium.
• 54:44
  and that it is primarily their stadium despite rule changes to the CFL.
• 54:49
  So, anyway, all that aside, this is like, you know, I'm going to pick Montreal, but I'm not confident.
• 54:59
  I do feel relatively confident because of the way the Montreal defense has been playing.
• 55:03
  However, I will say there's a few teams that have exposed them as able to run against them and Calgary definitely can run the ball.
• 55:13
  Whether VA is playing or whoever's playing, you can get some good yardage out of Mills.
• 55:20
  Anyway, but two for Calgary, one for Montreal.
• 55:23
  again, the...
• 55:24
  Two for Calgary?
• 55:25
  thought...
• 55:25
  No, two for Montreal, one for Calgary.
• 55:27
  Sorry, that backwards.
• 55:29
  Yeah.
• 55:30
  Yeah.
• 55:31
  So I've got to go back and there's a couple.
• 55:33
  I was going to give us our totals for the time and I realized I hadn't updated my spreadsheet for a couple of weeks.
• 55:38
  So I got to go back and listen to the end of a couple of shows and get that done.
• 55:42
  But anyway, okay.
• 55:44
  So that was game two.
• 55:47
  no, that was game one.
• 55:48
  Game two, Toronto at BC.
• 55:51
  Now.
• 55:53
  If someone said Arbuckle was full in practice today, which is good because it is a game that's another West Coast game at a seven o'clock start for this is a true seven o'clock
• 56:05
  start West Coast.
• 56:05
  So it'll be midnight start for, for Toronto.
• 56:08
  said, when I was putting notes down on this last game was a shootout, but it looks like Toronto's coming in with a BB gun.
• 56:16
  So I'm not encouraged if Arbuckle's there.
• 56:20
  It could be very good again.
• 56:22
  However, I think all things considered, I will give this game to, I will pick BC for this game.
• 56:30
  think that if Arbuckle in there, it's probably gonna be another one with scores in the forties and maybe fifties.
• 56:38
  But I think that the home field and a couple of things like that may help for BC.
• 56:42
  Yeah, I think it's going to be a shootout, but I see BC coming out on top.
• 56:47
  I think they're on a bit of a roll.
• 56:49
  There's no doubt about it.
• 56:50
  I think their defense is playing a little bit better.
• 56:52
  yeah, think it's BC.
• 56:57
  I'm picking BC.
• 56:58
  Yeah, Herslow is going to be really happy if Arbuckle back and yeah, hopefully this is a good shoot-em-out game because it's the late game and we're all going to be tired.
• 57:05
  But I think uh Nathan's flying high and I'll pick BC.
• 57:12
  And that's part of what with me too is Nathan is looking very good.
• 57:16
  He came back last year and we all know he didn't look great.
• 57:20
  And then this year he looked a little shaky at the start.
• 57:23
  is constantly, week to week, he's getting better.
• 57:27
  I would say at this point he's...
• 57:29
  He's in the top echelon and probably the top three or four quarterbacks for us watching play now.
• 57:34
  But my judgment on it is maybe skewed a bit, but I look at it from kind of the point of view of the fantasy and the passing game And what I see is if I'm in doubt on anything, I
• 57:46
  always go back to Bo because somehow Bo gets 300 yards and two or three touchdowns, whether they win a game or lose a game, whether he starts absolutely slow or whatever, he
• 57:56
  has that consistency.
• 57:58
  And I'm going to get that out of him.
• 58:00
  Harris, if I go to him in Saskatchewan, I know he's going to get probably 275 to 300 yards and one or two touchdowns.
• 58:08
  So I'm planning according to that in how I'm doing this stuff.
• 58:12
  With Nathan, he still has had enough inconsistent games that I've passed on him and he's blowing up the league and taking everything.
• 58:22
  And then I've gone for him in games like that Ottawa game where
• 58:26
  in Ottawa and maybe the wind was part of it, he just, he didn't have that consistency.
• 58:30
  That's the only thing that, that makes me a little nervous about picking BC here is will it be the, as good as we've seen the last couple of weeks or will he fade back a bit?
• 58:42
  But anyway, so we said BC, BC and you said MJ, did you say BC?
• 58:48
  do you see the lunchbox?
• 58:50
  I have to.
• 58:51
  But just so you know, a lot of people watch this, but there's also the podcast audio people.
• 58:56
  So nodding you can't doesn't work.
• 58:57
  No, the lunch box I can get, but you did.
• 59:01
  Yeah.
• 59:02
  I have my 2009 BC Lions lunchbox that I got for when I was a volunteer at BC.
• 59:10
  Wow!
• 59:13
  Ancient memorabilia.
• 59:16
  Okay, so we're all on BC.
• 59:18
  Then we've got Hamilton going into Winnipeg.
• 59:21
  Zach is practicing in full.
• 59:23
  Jair Stearns is practicing in full.
• 59:25
  Don't know what that means.
• 59:27
  Anybody want to go first?
• 59:29
  I don't care if Zach's not.
• 59:31
  No, I'm picking Hamilton.
• 59:33
  Yeah, I'm going to take Hamilton.
• 59:38
  I can't decide about Winnipeg.
• 59:41
  As we said too much times earlier this year, they're so up and down and I'm not sure which way they're going to be this weekend.
• 59:48
  As you just said, Bo's somewhat consistent, so I'm taking Hamilton.
• 59:54
  And I am too, the note that I had on this is yes, Zach may be back, but he's still this year's Zach, not 2019 Zach So, all right.
• 1:00:04
  And then the last game to end us off on the Saturday, Saskatchewan off the bye comes into Edmonton.
• 1:00:10
  They're coming off the bye, so they could be a little rusty.
• 1:00:14
  They did get, as I said, Emelis and Schaefer-Baker back.
• 1:00:18
  The secondary, they're still concerns about.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, I was going to ask, are there, is there still rookies deep in the corners?
• 1:00:29
  about.
• 1:00:29
  Lokambo and Ford are the one and two safeties.
• 1:00:32
  They're both still did not participate coming out of the buy.
• 1:00:35
  So that means we're back to, I think it's one of the Oñekas that they put down back there for safety.
• 1:00:40
  So the third string, Marcus Sales isn't on the injured list.
• 1:00:45
  So I'm assuming he's probably okay.
• 1:00:47
  I didn't check the sixth game.
• 1:00:48
  God, I hope not.
• 1:00:49
  I'm sure he's back.
• 1:00:50
  But Campbell, who was supposed to be a game time decision a week ago,
• 1:00:54
  was still did not participate with a head injury.
• 1:00:58
  So they've got that going for them.
• 1:01:00
  On the D line, I think less of an impact, but Ricky Ray is out for a while.
• 1:01:05
  So I think they still have a strong D line.
• 1:01:08
  And on the Elk side on the defense, Metchi is on the sixth game, Ceresna is on the sixth game, Smith is on the sixth game, and now they've lost Morgan and Anderson both too.
• 1:01:20
  So.
• 1:01:20
  there's some challenges there as well.
• 1:01:22
  These are the games that scare me, but I'm going to pick Saskatchewan anyway.
• 1:01:28
  All things being equal, they should be able to win this.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, I'm going riders too for the same reasons.
• 1:01:32
  I think that they still have enough depth to overcome that.
• 1:01:36
  And I think they're all fed.
• 1:01:38
  I'm not impressed with Edmonton's offensive line.
• 1:01:41
  And I think Saskatchewan's defensive line, even with Ray out of it, can put enough pressure on them to be able to throw them off and make up for the fact that they don't
• 1:01:52
  have that.
• 1:01:53
  um
• 1:01:55
  If one of those two corners is missing, it's not as desperate as two of them.
• 1:02:01
  So that'll be, I think they can overcome all of those things.
• 1:02:05
  And I think they're also coming off a game that they lost badly and they want to show that they'll want to show that that's not them, that they are the class of the West.
• 1:02:16
  So I'll take the ride.
• 1:02:19
  I'm looking forward to seeing the depth charts.
• 1:02:21
  How about you, MJ?
• 1:02:23
  Elks have a problem finishing games.
• 1:02:27
  Maybe...
• 1:02:27
  I honestly think the defense is kind of washed out here so do I think Cody or Trevor are going to...
• 1:02:34
  who's going to outgun each other?
• 1:02:36
  I'm worried about Riders kicking situation.
• 1:02:39
  you took writers.
• 1:02:40
  Yep.
• 1:02:41
  You know what?
• 1:02:42
  Just for...
• 1:02:44
  Just for nonsense.
• 1:02:46
  just to gain some ground.
• 1:02:47
  I don't know if you or GT's in the lead anymore, we'll have to see.
• 1:02:50
  just pick the Elks for just...
• 1:02:54
  CFL chaos.
• 1:02:57
  Why not?
• 1:02:59
  Why not?
• 1:03:00
  Yes.
• 1:03:00
  I'll also say it just occurred to me when you were mentioning about the riders and their depth, GT, that's one of the comments I've heard about sort of where Calgary's struggling
• 1:03:09
  right now.
• 1:03:10
  As I've heard a couple of people say they put together a fantastic team, but the problem is they haven't been able to put the depth pieces in yet that they need.
• 1:03:19
  So as people are...
• 1:03:21
  falling by the wayside a bit, they're having trouble keeping up.
• 1:03:24
  And then there may be something to that.
• 1:03:27
  I mean, let's not forget, this was the team that we all here, and I think 90 % of the league universally had finishing at last place this year.
• 1:03:38
  And they still have a shot to finish best overall.
• 1:03:42
  kudos to...
• 1:03:44
  to Angry Dave Dickinson and uh whatever help Brother Craig and the rest of the staff are doing there.
• 1:03:50
  They're making something work.
• 1:03:51
  Alright, I think that brings us to the end here.
• 1:03:54
  Oh, almost three hours, sorry.
• 1:03:57
  I don't know about you, I'm fading fast.
• 1:03:59
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• 1:04:01
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:20
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• 1:04:31
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• 1:05:37
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• 1:05:40
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