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Is the Vodka Real? - Heavy Rain - Part 4 · Replay Reviews

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I realized it didn't really make sense to do the out of context summary after you've
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seen the gameplay, because it's no longer out of context for you.
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I'm gonna tell them to you now.
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Are you ready for the out of context summary?
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I am.
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This is the first time I'm ever hearing out of context before watching the gameplay.
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In this episode, Ethan leaves the toilet seat up.
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Ethan attempts to save himself by smashing his face into a mirror.
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And a clocksmith gets clocked.
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Hard.
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There you go.
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Thank you for coming back from our replay reviews.
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My name is Leah.
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And my name is Cathy.
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We are two friends who are here to replay, review, and analyze your favorite video games.
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And since Cathy has never seen the games before, it helps me view them through her fresh eyes,
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almost like I'm discovering them again for the first time.
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We hope it'll be a similar experience for you.
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I don't know how to start now that we already did the out of context summary.
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Ethan leaving up the toilet seat, I think it's one of the things that his wife probably
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appreciates being single, no longer married to him.
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Why, I'm not surprised by that.
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Damn.
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It seems that Jaden and Blake hit a dead end in their investigation.
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But they're soon thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown.
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A promising new lead.
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So the suspect that Jaden had detained at the market with the flustered chickens, he's
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being interrogated by a cop.
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And someone tells Jaden and Blake that he has an alibi for at least three of the origami
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killer murders.
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So he's not their guy, right?
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I don't think it's him.
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He doesn't seem like he has a grudge against young children that makes him want to put
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them into a hole and let them drown.
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Hopefully most people do not.
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But I agree with you, he just seems like what he says he is.
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He forgot to check in with his parole officer and he got nervous.
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But as this is going down, Sean Mars' mother arrives and she asks to see Blake and tells
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him that a few months back, Ethan came home drenched on a rainy night around 3am and spoke
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about drowning.
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And then she says the next day another origami killer victim was found.
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I'm thinking that it seems like Ethan's ex-wife is implying that Ethan might have been the
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killer, that he was probably under some kind of mind control because his eyes were blank.
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I would probably think that.
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I mean, we've seen one of these blockouts.
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They're pretty damning.
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He shows up in the middle of a street holding an origami figure, the same kind that they
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find on the dead children.
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I think it's a fair assumption.
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It's not quite a leap to get there.
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And I think the police agree because Jaden and Blake then visit Ethan's doctor.
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Blake gets pretty physical with him when he doesn't want to break the confidentiality
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oath.
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But Jaden intervenes and shoves Blake who says,
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I'll get you for this, Jaden.
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Don't worry.
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I will not forget.
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That relationship is in the toilet, right?
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There's no salvaging this anymore.
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I feel like it wasn't able to be salvaged last episode or something.
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Yeah.
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F*** an asshole!
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Why don't you f*** off, Norman, pack up and f*** off.
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Well here's what I don't understand about this scene.
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The doctor is not wanting to say anything at all.
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Not with Jaden tugging on his heartstrings, not with Blake slapping him around.
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But as soon as Jaden intervenes with Blake and they get mad at each other, he's like
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all of a sudden like, let me tell you everything.
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Now that I'm not being punched anymore, let me just spill all the beans.
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What the heck?
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Why did he just randomly start spewing off all this information?
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Ethan Morris has had psychological problems since his first son died.
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Feels responsible for his death.
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Sort of morbid neurosis.
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He is haunted by visions of drowning bodies.
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A few weeks ago, after one of our usual sessions, I found this on the floor.
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It must have fallen out of his pocket.
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At first I'm like, okay, he's good.
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He's HIPAA protecting his clients and everything.
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And then he's like, here's this origami that's Ethan's.
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Like, whoa, okay.
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But this doctor, are we sure that he's giving...
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He's not a doctor, he's a psychiatrist or something.
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But is that origami thing that he hands over from the killer?
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Or is it from Ethan?
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Well see, here's where I have a big issue with this doctor.
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He tells them this stuff, which is like, okay, factual.
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This is stuff Ethan has said.
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But then he hands them the origami figure and says, it must have fallen out of Ethan's
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pocket during his previous visit.
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That's not fact.
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You don't know that.
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You didn't say, I saw it fall out of his pocket.
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So now he's not only breaking his oath.
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He's giving the police evidence that...
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That evidence.
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Yeah, what, is it circumstantial evidence?
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This doctor needs his license revoked for this.
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I don't care.
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And the thing is that he could be seeing a different patient who dropped it.
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It's not Ethan.
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It could be someone else's.
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It could be his, for all we know.
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Maybe he's trying to pass the hot seat to Ethan even more.
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But I do want to mention, during their fight, Jayden and Blake, I've noticed that throughout
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this game, Blake refers to Sean as kid or the kid.
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But Jayden says Sean Mars.
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He's more of a person.
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He has an identity to Jayden, but to Blake, he's just another kid.
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You can trust Jayden.
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I don't know about Blake.
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Does he really care as much?
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No, he doesn't care.
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And even though he grabs the psychiatrist and says, don't you want to figure out who
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the killer is, so let me do my way of everything, I feel like that's just an excuse for him
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being violent.
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He seems to not truly care.
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It seems like maybe he just wants to solve the case and maybe get the fame that would
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come with it.
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I don't know.
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That's my guess.
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But after visiting, the psychologist Blake sounds the alarm to start a manhunt for Ethan.
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I think that they're just jumping to conclusions.
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I'm not surprised they're doing that to Ethan, but at the same time, they should have
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known better when Ethan first came to them asking for help and they're just so dismissive.
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Yeah.
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So far in this video, we've had his ex-wife telling them he talks about drowning.
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And then we have the doctor saying that he's had psychological problems since Jason's
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death.
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And is haunted by visions of drowning bodies.
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That is, again, fairly damning.
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So I do understand why they're doing this, but I feel like Blake's just a little too
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excited.
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Based off of Ethan and what we know about him, sounds like you have fit well with being
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one of those people who could see the Walrider.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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He heard one of Warnocky's stories about drowning, just like Dissociative Dennis in
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The Flood.
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New theory.
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None of this is real.
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Ethan is just one of Dissociative Dennis' personalities.
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All right, so in our next scene, Shelby arrives at Topgolf where he was invited by Gordy Kramer's
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father.
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Basically, he's trying to get Shelby to stop investigating his son and first tries to buy
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him off and then tries threatening him when that doesn't work.
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This is probably what happened when Gordy was first arrested, right?
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He bribed someone at the PD.
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I would have said it's Blake, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the PD is connected
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to all this stuff and is bribed.
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I agree.
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And that's why the investigation was probably dropped.
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How does that make you feel about Gordy as a suspect?
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I mean, I feel like he's a red herring.
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I don't think he's related to the murders.
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I think it's just one of the side stories to make us be overly suspicious about this
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and then forget about other people.
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We're now back to Ethan, who partakes in the third trial.
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So let's just get to- he cast a cut a section of his finger off, and Sir Yakuza reference
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here.
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But first of all, before he gets in to the room, he says drugs are starting to wear off.
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And that's really sucky timing, considering what this trial is.
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But the main thing I wanted to say is this trial seems kind of tame compared to the first
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two.
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We drove against traffic for what was it, two miles?
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Five miles?
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And the second one was the tunnel of glass shards and the electric zaps.
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Those seem way worse than this to me.
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But those weren't permanent.
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I mean- But threat of death is much higher in those
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two.
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That is true.
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I just- I feel like one is pain applied to you and the other is you have to apply your
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own pain.
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Yeah.
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You just bear through it.
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It's not against you, but this one's like you know what's coming and the anticipation
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makes things worse.
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But the first one- I mean, how fast are you going against traffic in a car and you have
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to do this?
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I feel like the first one is worse than this one at least.
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I think this one's worse.
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But we have different kinds of pain tolerances.
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We do.
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You're not fazed by Bigby's disgusting arm with like three extra bends in it and the
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bones sticking out.
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But you wanted to vomit when editing.
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I couldn't- when I was playing the game I missed the prompt to press triangle because
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I was so disgusted trying not to look.
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And this is fine to me.
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This is fine.
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Anyway, there are a few options in this dingy apartment with which to cut the tip of his
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finger off with.
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I think I made the right choice.
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The saw definitely would have been the wrong choice and the scissors.
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I agree with you.
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I would have liked to see it though.
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Maybe we'll watch it in the summer episode.
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No.
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It is a bit frustrating though that Ethan should have contacted the police because based
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off of this whole video thing, I don't know if it's a livestream that's recording it
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or if it's a video.
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But if it's a livestream, I would think that they'd have some kind of technology that can
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trace the signal back to the origami killer and he probably would have saved his finger.
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We'll continue more on this topic in a little bit.
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We'll get some new information.
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But I agree with you.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, Ethan's probably going to get sepsis and die before he finds his son.
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Hey, I washed his hand, dumped I think what is alcohol on it, and then cauterized the
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wound.
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And I also do want to say that the animal theme for this room, so we have butterfly
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for electricity.
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For this one, we have a lizard and I think it's very fitting because lizards are famous
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for being able to regrow their limbs and to lose a tail or a leg.
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And so I know Ethan probably doesn't have the ability to, but maybe that was foreshadowing
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something.
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Or it's just a really cruel joke.
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Blizzard couldn't grow its tail back, but your pinky's gone.
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Sorry.
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Moving right along, he passes the trial, gets the letters and number 800.
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Clearly still Roosevelt.
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We're going to Roosevelt Street.
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And then we learn that Blake and Dra-Drayden?
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Bladen, their ship name?
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Sounds like a name of like a white hippie names their son, Bladen.
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Oh.
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Bladen, come drink your kombucha.
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It's going to get warm.
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Okay.
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Where was I?
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It turns out that Blake and Jayden have tracked Ethan to this building and they're waiting
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for him to come out so they can arrest him.
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But then Madison arrives and enters the building, which confuses them.
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It confuses me too.
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How did she get here?
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Why did she follow him?
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How did she know he was here?
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Why is she doing this?
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I mean, on one hand it's great because Ethan probably would have been dead so many times
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had she not shown up.
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But at the same time, why is she always stalking him?
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Doesn't she have a job to go to?
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I know that she probably can work from home or whatever, but she's all up in his business.
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Yeah.
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And she helps him escape.
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And as they're fleeing, she says, I'm helping a fugitive.
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What am I doing?
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Yes.
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Ask yourself that question half an hour ago.
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She's getting herself in so much trouble.
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She's way too deep at this point.
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She could have been shot too.
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Oh yeah.
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They very narrowly escape.
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If you watch my gameplay video, there's a point where if Jaden hadn't gotten hit by
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a car, like his arm touches Ethan.
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If he hadn't gotten hit by that car and got subdued a little bit, like they would have
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been caught.
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They are able to get to the subway, cross the train tracks, and get into a train, which
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is impressive considering he couldn't even stand up on his own a minute ago.
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But they're back to the motel and Madison asks Ethan, are you the killer?
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Straight up ask him.
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And he tells her about the blackouts and that he thinks that he's testing himself to see
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if he's worthy of being Sean's father, essentially.
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I am now thinking a lot of different theories going on.
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One of them is that he talks about dreaming of the dead bodies and water, but is this
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before or after people started dying?
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Because if this is before the origami killer started killing those children, maybe it is
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him.
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But if this is after, is it one of those things where you hear something, see something, and
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you end up dreaming about it because it's so recent in your mind and it doesn't necessarily
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imply that he is the origami's killer?
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If it really is him, doesn't that mean he's setting up these trials for himself?
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It seems a bit far-fetched.
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Well because first of all, you have these blackouts.
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From what we've seen, they're not all night, they're just a few hours maybe, maybe more
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than a few, but when is he planning all of this?
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Because you have to plan it and then do it.
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I don't know, I don't know if it's possible.
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And then for like the finger cutting off, there's verification.
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They see him cut his finger off.
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So how would he set that up to be verifiable if he's not on the other side of it?
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If he's not in places at once.
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I also think that going back to his original job, he's an architect.
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Maybe he has access to buildings that normal people won't have and when he's under someone's
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mind control, maybe he's going to these places that he owns and he sets them up.
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So the clowns, are they by the wayside now, no longer a theory?
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No, I have a new theory, though I don't know if you want to hear it now.
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I mean yeah, I know.
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So my new theory is that maybe the therapist is behind everything, maybe the therapist
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isn't directly the killer but the puppet master.
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I'm curious if there is a link between all the parents of these young boys getting killed
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because it would make sense.
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And here's my theory is that Ethan is correct that he has schizophrenia and that's why he
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goes to see this therapist and this therapist is the one hypnotizing him and telling him
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planting all these crazy seeds and maybe where we end up is seeing that he's asking him to
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kill someone.
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And maybe that person, the Brad person has some kind of incriminating evidence and with
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Ethan being the one being controlled, the psychiatrist is never going to get in trouble.
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And that's why he hands over the origami thing is because he plants them so he's going to
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have them.
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Right.
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It explains a lot.
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I'm going to change your theory just slightly.
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It sounds like you're thinking like he kills children of his patients.
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So I think just to change it slightly, he doesn't find victims through his patients.
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I think he's finding his scapegoat through his patients.
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And I think Ethan is the one where he's like, I can pin the murders on him because he's
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crazy enough and I can control his mind enough to where if I catch his son, then they'll
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think it's him.
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And so I think maybe he's been waiting to find that person and he finds that in Ethan.
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And this theory would also explain why he at first was like, I'm not going to tell you
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anything.
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I took an oath to keep up appearances, right?
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To not be a pushover and not just suspiciously blurt out all this information.
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But after he gets tossed around a little bit, he's like, oh, here, let me tell you this
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incriminating evidence on this patient of mine.
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By the way, look what he dropped the other day.
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I have a wild theory that my favorite kind, Ethan does has schizophrenia and because of
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that, he imagined everything.
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And that's why his wife divorced him because of his issues.
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And maybe Jason and Sean don't exist.
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He streamed me up everything.
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Sorry, it's because of his issues.
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Just got me.
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His issues and leaving the toilet seat up and drinking out of the orange juice carton.
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Grounds for divorce.
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So okay, let's dive into this wild theory.
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The children aren't real?
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I don't know if it's relevant that they are or aren't real.
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Here's my question, though.
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If this theory is to hold any water, why is she at the police station?
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Is this whole game from Ethan's perspective and his schizophrenic mind?
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Or is what we're seeing true perspective?
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I think it's all from Ethan's perspective.
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Okay.
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Which could explain why there's a random woman all up in his business.
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After he claims that he believes he's the killer, Madison is still trying to help him.
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And she asked a question we've been asking, why haven't you gone to the police?
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And his response is that they're definitely going to arrest him, not let him go.
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And he has to stay free to save his son.
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I get it.
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Is that good enough for you?
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Is that a good enough answer?
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Yeah, what's there to lose?
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Either you go to jail now or you go to jail later.
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Right.
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You go to jail and your son dies?
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You save your son, then you go to jail.
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I mean, assuming his son's still alive, I mean, like right now, based on how slow he's
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going, the water's probably over Sean's head.
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It seems like you would die of hypothermia or just turning into such a shriveled prune
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that you just turned into water.
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Or a popsicle.
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But continuing on, she's still trying to insert herself and Ethan eventually says,
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if you want to help me leave, you don't know what's going to happen through the rest of
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this game.
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But I have a question for you.
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If she still stays involved in his life, does that mean that her goal is not to help him?
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If he said the way to help me is to leave?
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Well, he's not specific enough that leave permanently or leave for now or leave until
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the next location.
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I feel like there's still some leeway that she can respect his wishes now but still find
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a way around it to continue helping him from afar.
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She does leave this time.
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And so Ethan opens a fourth origami that says, are you prepared to kill someone to save your
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son?
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Brad Silver.
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And then his address.
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Kill him, send a picture, get your reward.
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The auntie is really upped for this trial.
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Okay, now that you didn't die from cutting your own finger off, let's try to up the
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game and try to start involving other players and perhaps maybe innocent people?
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Yeah.
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So it goes from like a kitchen accident to murder.
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Moving on, a dejected Norman attempts to play the piano at a fancy bar type area.
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He does not think that Ethan is the killer because he doesn't fit into the profile or
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the geolocation evidence.
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His fancy butler man warns him at some point.
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You should be careful not to overindulge in you know what.
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It can be dangerous.
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It'll end up killing you if you're not careful.
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So hold on just a second here.
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Every other time I've seen this game, because Jayden's wearing his Ari glasses and glove.
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So he's in Ari right now.
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I thought he had it on just to be able to play the piano successfully, which by the
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way I didn't.
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But is this whole place Ari?
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Is all of this Ari?
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The bar, the vodka, the butler?
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Can Ari even come up adding another human into his world?
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I don't know.
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And here's my question.
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Number one, is the butler Ari?
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Is that what Ari is?
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Is that like the virtual assistant, if you will?
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Second question, if this is all Ari because he knows, okay, here's why I think this whole
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place is Ari.
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There's no one else here.
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We'll see in the next few moments that he's staying at a hotel.
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If he's in a hotel bar right now, he's not going to be the only person there.
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This place doesn't seem upscale enough to have butlers like this.
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And the butler knows about Ari, clearly.
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So if this whole place is Ari, is the vodka real?
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Can he drink that?
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Maybe it's vodka in real life, but in Ari it just translates into vodka?
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So but how did- but how- what?
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So explain.
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Can he drink that glass of vodka that the butler brought him?
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I think so.
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Just like how in real life he's touching documents maybe, that it's just like he's touching the
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vodka and therefore in his reality when he like motions to drink it, he's actually grabbing
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onto the real thing and drinking it.
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So you're telling me he had a glass of vodka at his desk and then he says to Ari butler,
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bring me a glass of vodka and then decides I'm going to drink the vodka now because it's
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more fun to pretend like a butler brought it to me?
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I feel like you're just pointing out flaws in your own theory.
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I don't have a theory.
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I'm asking- I'm confused.
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I think you're right about that that is Ari though because what kind of hotel and location
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that he would be in wouldn't have people in it, but I don't know about how he can get
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drinks unless he's pretending to be drinking?
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And there's my question.
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Let's say we're in Ari.
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The vodka is an Ari rendered thing brought by butler Ari.
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Perhaps he's not physically drinking vodka, but say maybe you order vodka in Ari and what
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that does is maybe release a chemical via the glove, via the glasses into your bloodstream
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and then it feels like you're getting drunk?
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I don't think it's that part, but I do think it's kind of like when you go to a kid's
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tea party and there is not actual tea, but you pretend it anyways.
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You're telling me the FBI funded that?
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Because here's why it bothers me so much and we're probably beating this horse to death,
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but I just- okay, I need there to be a reason for him to order this fake vodka if it's an
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Ari.
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So if it can still affect you and make you feel like you're drinking, okay, I get that.
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That's actually kind of cool in an alcohol kind of way.
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If that's not the case, then you're just pretending to drink and there's nothing there.
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Or is the VR so advanced that it really feels like you're drinking even if you're just miming
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it?
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I think the VR is so real that it makes you think like you're drinking it.
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Okay, I just need to know what the hell is up with that vodka.
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Hard to submit that question to the creators.
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This is gonna definitely be on our Reddit.
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We're gonna post it in the heavy rain.
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Is the vodka real?
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So Jayden then reviews the evidence after he says goodbye to Fancy Butler Man.
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Here's the new evidence of importance.
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The killer's car was potentially caught on camera, but you can't see the driver's face.
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However, Norman does learn that the car was reported stolen and a suspect, Jackson Neville,
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aka Mad Jack, was questioned but released due to lack of evidence.
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Jayden notes that he's a dangerous man, but he is his only lead.
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Also, I'm kind of questioning, are we indulging in either that blue liquid that we've seen
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before or is it Ari?
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Or are those things like you need one to function the other?
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Again, just kind of curious because we don't really get clarification on what the Butler
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is saying.
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What do you think, is it the blue liquid?
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What is it called?
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Triptocaine?
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Yeah.
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This is a question that we had previously and it remains unanswered for me because it
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seems like Ari is what causes the shakes as we're calling them.
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I mean, after he's done reviewing the evidence and he comes out of Ari, he has an insane
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attack of the shakes, nosebleeds, walking around like a zombie.
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This seems like a direct result of being an Ari, right?
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So it seems dangerous.
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But then whenever he's having these shakes episodes, he tries to resist taking the trypto.
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Why?
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So are they both bad?
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Or is one like an antidote for the other or one is needed in order to use Ari?
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He needs to take the blue one and then he can use Ari and it can only function so long
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until he needs to take some more of the tryptocaine and then he realizes the blue stuff isn't
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good for him so he tries to use Ari without the blue thing.
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Because it seems like it's, especially in this scene when I decide to take it, it stops
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this sort of morphing of realities.
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I think it is the medicine essentially for the effects that Ari causes, but it still
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seems like it's bad for him in some way because he resists taking it.
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So I think Ari is the cause and trypto is just maybe medication with a side effect.
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And what made you choose to take the blue liquid?
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I yelled at you when I saw that you didn't hold out.
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You did before we get there.
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Before we get there.
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So he comes out of it, nose is bleeding, got a bad case of the shakes, he starts to see
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Ari in real life even though he's not in Ari anymore.
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And he says, shit, it's coming.
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What's coming?
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What is it?
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Just the shakes?
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Or is it something specific?
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I think it is like a bad place for him.
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Like everything turns dark and then it becomes his own fears being shown through Ari.
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I like it.
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I don't know if we have evidence to that.
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So far what we've seen is it's like realities get mixed, right?
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Like reality and Ari become intermixed.
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And what that does to your brain, I don't know, but it seems like it's something not
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good.
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I decided to eventually take the tryptocaine after screaming into pillows, chugging a
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bottle of alcohol and smashing your face against the mirror.
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None of that seemed to work.
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And up until now I haven't taken any.
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And so I figured he's probably safe from potential overdose on this stuff.
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I was starting to worry.
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It had been a while.
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I was starting to worry.
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What if the it that's coming is something worse?
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And what if it could kill him?
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And so you could see me.
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I waited a while to decide whether or not to take it.
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It was a hard choice.
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But ultimately I decided to take it because I'm not sure which one's causing the damage.
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All we need is a prequel that does like a whole backstory for Jaden and explains to
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him like who he was before he was introduced to Ari and what it is and who created it.
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The Blue Liquid.
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Maybe it would talk more about him conquering his overindulgence in either Ari or the Blue
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Liquid and to see what happens.
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But I feel like we need a prequel to this.
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Yeah, a prequel or a sequel.
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What happened to all these FBI agents that were using Ari and now they're all insane
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and doing horrible things?
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And it's like what happened?
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I think, yeah, I want to know more about the system.
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It seems like they put a lot of work into building this out in the story.
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And I feel like we don't get to see enough.
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I want to know more.
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We're back to Shelby and Lauren.
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They continue their investigation.
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Things do end up getting a bit complicated, though.
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They arrive at Manfred's clock shop and I guess typewriter shop.
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It seems like he and Shelby have some sort of a history.
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And we do get confirmation here from Manfred's mouth himself that Shelby was indeed with
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the police at some point in time.
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Well then sweet old man Manfred offers some scotch.
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I guess like you said, Lauren doesn't get any, although she's very distracted by that
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music box.
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They ask Manfred about the typewriter used on the envelope and he identifies it as a
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Royal Five and they ask him for a list of clients associated with that typewriter.
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As Manfred's asking Shelby to grab the magnifier from his desk, we also see another letter
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there.
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Is it just normal mail for the store or do you think that letter is similar to the letter
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the origami killer sends out?
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Well I don't know, let's take a look.
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It's different.
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It's got like multiple stamps all over it.
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So I think Manfred is safe.
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So Manfred goes back to get the list, but he's taking a while so Shelby eventually goes back
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to check on him and finds him, most likely, but fairly definitely dead on the floor.
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The phone is also off the hook and we can hear a woman's voice saying, hello, your call
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has been logged, sir, a police car will be there in a few minutes.
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What the hell happened?
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And here's where I have two theories going in opposite directions.
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First is that whoever killed him obviously knows Manfred because he knows that right
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around that time all the clocks are, oh yeah, it should be around noon because the time
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stamp was 11 10 and at 12 the clocks are all going off at the same time.
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It's loud enough to cover any gunshots sounds or Manfred screaming or whatever.
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To know that they have to know that there's so many clocks in the store and they have
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to have timed it right.
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And maybe because Manfred was a friend, they decided to call the police.
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My other theory is that Manfred's actually Brad and Ethan killed him and he feels bad
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because he's not a killer.
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So that's why he called the police.
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If it's Ethan, I like it, but I feel like he wouldn't be that good if you know what
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I mean.
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I don't think he's that talented, especially in his current state.
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Is Manfred Brad though?
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That's the main question.
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Is Manfred Brad's dad?
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We'll keep tabs on this theory.
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Anyway they can't waste time being arrested so they scrub their prints and leave, but
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I guess I forgot the door handle.
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So they get arrested, doesn't end up mattering much, and honestly it results in an interesting
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scene because as Shelby's leaving the police station he runs into Blake and it's clear
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they know each other and then Blake says that he'll make it all go away.
34:05
And that just makes me think even more that he's the one that took their bribe from Gordie
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Kramer's dad.
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He definitely doesn't seem to be the squeaky clean cop, so I wouldn't be surprised if
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he takes bribes or is a killer or is working with a killer.
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Towards the end, Lauren wants to keep solving this after Shelby's like, I can't take you
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with me anymore, and she pretty much is saying like, I'm not a child and everything.
34:33
She then proceeds to start yanking the steering wheel and throwing a huge fit.
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She climbs out of the car, she just stands there with her back towards Shelby, just standing
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there in the rain, obviously waiting for Shelby.
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In front of the car.
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Yeah.
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Waiting for Shelby to walk out of the car.
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I feel like that's ironic.
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I agree.
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It's not advised to yank a steering wheel whilst driving in any circumstances, but especially
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at night in the rain.
35:02
And I also don't recommend standing in front of a running car.
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But they make up, I mean.
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Yeah.
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I can see why she's frustrated she wants to solve the murder of her child.
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But at the same time, beggars can be choosers.
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You can't be dictating what Shelby, who is clearly an expert into doing that.
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And if he thinks it's dangerous and stuff, it's really not up to you to say that.
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I don't care.
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Well, she pretty much does say that.
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But I feel like she should respect Shelby for taking her this far.
35:36
I think the reason she's so upset is because the information on the envelope is what she
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was able to use to get him to agree to have her help him.
35:50
And it feels like from her perspective, as soon as he gets the information out of that
35:55
piece of evidence, he's just trying to dump her.
35:58
But I'm not sure that that was his intention.
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I think it's literally just getting dangerous.
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They were just arrested for suspicion of murder.
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Ready for your QTE?
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Yeah.
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As a reminder, part one, it's almost 96%.
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And then it goes down to 89.66.
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89.61, 84.21 was today's.
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Sorry, I was really badly delivered.
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It went from 89.66 to 89.61 to 84.21.
36:34
It was the piano.
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I was doing so good and then you could see where the panic hit me.
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I don't blame you though.
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It got me.
36:44
It's not going to be good for my total for the whole game, but that's to be revealed
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in the summary.
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All I can say is the trend of decline continues.
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This is not looking good.
36:58
I was so confident in you two, so you better have stepped up your game in the next two
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parts.
37:06
What about smashing his head against the mirror?
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Were you not ready?
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When it happened, I was like, oh shit, I cannot let that happen again.
37:14
He's going to die.
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It's just one of the more touchy ones, but it did catch me off guard because I was just
37:23
expecting him to be looking in the mirror.
37:26
And then it's like, oh, just kidding, he's trying to subconsciously kill himself by smacking
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his face.
37:32
He hit that thing so hard, he cracked the mirror.
37:35
He's not getting his deposit back on that hotel room.
37:39
I was going to say, what if it's all part of RE, but no, it's not good on that rabbit
37:43
hole?
37:45
We've talked about it enough.
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There's no answer right now.
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The vodka is haunting me.
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Oh man, anything else for you?
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No, I think that's all.
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That was part four.
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Yeah, with a bunch of wild theories this episode.
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And some good ones, some good theories.
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I will count us off.
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Let's do audacity on one.
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Three, two, one.
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