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Bradley From A Male Space Joins the Badgers! | Fireside Chat 279 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the Fireside Chat, where we discuss men's
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  Speaker 1: issues and other sort of related topics with interesting people.
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  Speaker 1: And today we are going to be talking to Bradley
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  Speaker 1: from the YouTube channel known as A Male Space. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the show, Bradley.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you for having me here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to have you. And, you know, before
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  Speaker 1: we get started, I guess like for people who don't,
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  Speaker 1: know about your channel and what it is you do.
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  Speaker 1: Could you give everybody a primer on what is a
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  Speaker 1: male space?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I first started it to address men's issues and
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  Speaker 3: men's well-being and also other subtopics related to both of those.
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  Speaker 3: But then as I got to know more people and
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  Speaker 3: interview more guests, I eventually ran into, not ran into,
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  Speaker 3: I sent an email to my favorite, one of my
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  Speaker 3: favorite authors in the men's space, a man who has
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  Speaker 3: had a huge, profound impact on me, along with Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Dale Linnaeus and F. Roger Devlin, is Dr. Stephen Baskerville.
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  Speaker 3: And after producing some content with people like Dr. Helen Smith,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Elam, and Dr. Baskerville himself, he eventually reached out
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  Speaker 3: to me to start a series of episodes in which
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  Speaker 3: we interview people in the men's space and also have
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  Speaker 3: conversations with each other about men's issues generally.
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  Speaker 2: So we touch upon....
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  Speaker 3: Big emphasis on the divorce regime, a big emphasis on feminism,
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  Speaker 3: a big emphasis on fatherhood. So we are like, let's say,
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  Speaker 3: I would put it a two-man think tank who are
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  Speaker 3: very interested in men's issues and primarily with structural and
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  Speaker 3: legal issues versus the other areas of the, of the
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  Speaker 3: manosphere or men's content that I, I'm interested in personally also,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not what we focus on.
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  Speaker 2: We might get to that because we have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of issues to go.
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  Speaker 3: Over in the future, but we're not in the sphere of,
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  Speaker 3: let's say dating advice, you know, dating or attraction or pickup,
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  Speaker 3: but that has its place. And I do want to,
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  Speaker 3: I eventually want to get some speakers on it or
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  Speaker 3: discuss it with Dr. Baskerville himself, but we'll get to
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  Speaker 3: that in future episodes, but that's what it is so far.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like a two man think tank.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, there's a lot of guys already doing
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  Speaker 1: the dating thing and the so-called red pill manosphere. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to be disparaging. Like, I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing is helpful to men in some fashion.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that what you're doing, it seems like
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  Speaker 1: you have a focus on something that might be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more, let's say, hard for people to get into,
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  Speaker 1: but also may have a lot more value in terms of, like,
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  Speaker 1: You know, the sort of philosophical content, et cetera. Is
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  Speaker 1: that fair to say? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Philosophical, legal, dealing with social norms. But definitely I am
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  Speaker 3: aware of all the red pill stuff. I've read Rola Tomasi.
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  Speaker 3: So if anybody says to me anything red pill, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, I'll say this inadvertently. I got red pilled
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  Speaker 3: very young in life. I'm in my mid 40s to
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  Speaker 3: late 40s. 1992, 1993, all the red pill stuff came
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  Speaker 3: to me before I even know. I respect Rolla Tomasi
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  Speaker 3: for his work, but I'm saying it wasn't hard to
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  Speaker 3: see at 13 years old what was already going down
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  Speaker 3: because sexual revolution was already on its way well into
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  Speaker 3: the sexual revolution for young boys, especially in the unsupervised
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  Speaker 3: last key kid generation of New York City, 1990s.
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  Speaker 2: You get a dose of social reality very quickly. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to hold that.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that growing up, all those terms, the beta,
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  Speaker 3: the alpha, the alpha widow, alpha widow makers, so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: you get aware of that really quickly, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that one of the things that your
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  Speaker 1: channel is also big about, aside from the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: we just discussed, is also men's health and fitness stuff too, right?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have experience with this or- Can you go
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  Speaker 1: into that? Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a former bodybuilder. Well, I've always been into bodybuilding.
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  Speaker 3: I competed in bodybuilding once and I earned a natural
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  Speaker 3: pro card in the one show that I did. And
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  Speaker 3: I also work in nutrition. So I'm well-versed in that.
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  Speaker 3: And I would like to in future episodes, because when
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  Speaker 3: I first started my channel, it was kind of like
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  Speaker 3: on a whim with my bodybuilder friends in 2016. And
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  Speaker 3: then life caught up with me, you know, raising children,
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  Speaker 3: moving out to Lyle and from Queens, New York, life
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  Speaker 3: just caught up with me. And then as time went on,
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  Speaker 3: I got so in, interested in men's issues and reflecting
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  Speaker 3: on my life as a male that I kind of,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's my profession, my own hobby, the nutrition
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  Speaker 3: and bodybuilding. However, I would like to get back into that.
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  Speaker 3: But if anybody wants to tune into my old videos
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  Speaker 3: with Arash Rabar, the IFBB Pro Classic Physique competitor, you
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  Speaker 3: could tune into those old videos also. And I want
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  Speaker 3: to touch upon that, actually. We might actually speak soon
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  Speaker 3: to Jack Donovan, who was very big into men's health, self-mastery, discipline,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. We don't just want it to just be
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  Speaker 3: about legal frameworks or structural issues.
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  Speaker 2: Those are very important.
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  Speaker 3: We will continue with that. But I'm interested also in
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  Speaker 3: men's well-being in general. I mean, we're dealing with a
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  Speaker 3: very hard time for men these days. And whatever challenges
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  Speaker 3: are upon them, I think at this point, it is
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  Speaker 3: most crucial to pay attention to their physical and mental
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  Speaker 3: health and their friendships.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, don't let me forget this
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  Speaker 1: because I want to come back to the bodybuilding thing
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  Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about something else related to that
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  Speaker 1: that I've been seeing around. Also, I've been going to
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  Speaker 1: the gym twice a week. I don't know if you've noticed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not as fat as I used to be. I'll
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  Speaker 1: just say that. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway. But yeah, don't let me forget because I
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  Speaker 1: definitely want to come back to talking about this particular–
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  Speaker 1: particularly like physical health from the male perspective. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: seeing something that's going on with young men. We were
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  Speaker 1: chatting a little bit before the show started. And aside
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  Speaker 1: from some outliers, which I know are in the chat,
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  Speaker 1: most of our audience is a lot younger than yours.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the guys that watch you
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  Speaker 1: might be guys that have, you know, they've had children,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they've lost them. They've gone through divorces, things like this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see this, you know, this, this,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like you could say where these overlap
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  Speaker 1: because I think there's plenty of overlap. And it's definitely
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  Speaker 1: considering your channel is all about a male space and
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  Speaker 1: men sort of sharing their wisdom. I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: a really good thing that it exists because young guys,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of them don't even have a
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  Speaker 1: father in their life or, you know, or even a
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  Speaker 1: father figure for that matter to like sort of get that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a really important thing, too. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the first episode I ever did with Steven, it
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  Speaker 3: was just me and him before we even started this
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  Speaker 3: episodes called the mansplainers. The actual title, the title of
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  Speaker 3: that video is called the fatherless crisis because I was
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  Speaker 3: fatherless myself for all practical purposes. And I've also seen
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  Speaker 3: from those years of mass divorce, living in the lower
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  Speaker 3: middle class, you know, living in Queens and also going
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  Speaker 3: throughout the bars of Queens and even working in some
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  Speaker 3: neighborhoods that, uh, there is a large presence of fatherlessness.
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  Speaker 3: You could see the effects pretty quickly of what goes
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  Speaker 3: wrong with fatherlessness in general. And we're starting to see
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  Speaker 3: the mass effects of it now as well. And also,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not taking anything away from anyone's individual father, but
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  Speaker 3: we're dealing right now with a time that many of
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  Speaker 3: our ancestors, great grandparents, grandparents, even our own fathers, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one generation before are not dealing with, whether it's, let's
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  Speaker 3: say in the economically, um, sexually on the dating market,
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  Speaker 3: they did not deal with this sort of environment and
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  Speaker 3: nothing like it actually.
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  Speaker 2: So it's important for men to know this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Can you tell us a little bit, I
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  Speaker 1: know that you can't speak for him cause he's not here,
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  Speaker 1: but he is your co-host. Like, uh, people have heard
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  Speaker 1: the name, Stephen Baskerville, uh, in the, in the sort
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  Speaker 1: of like the men's rights circles. So first of all,
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  Speaker 1: how'd you score that? And, but also like, who is
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  Speaker 1: Steven Baskerville? Like, how do you guys, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: how's your chemistry? Like, what do you do to, for
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  Speaker 1: each other in terms of like, you know, how your
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  Speaker 1: different experiences and backgrounds like work to like compliment your content?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that, I can't speak for him in
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  Speaker 2: general because he's not here.
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  Speaker 3: However, I think that he liked because he did some
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  Speaker 3: posts about me on X after we started speaking where
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  Speaker 3: he saw some of my videos. Before we started doing
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  Speaker 3: the episode, he spoke to me once for that first
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  Speaker 3: initial video. And to explain, just to backtrack how I
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  Speaker 3: scored this, is that I read his books and here's
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  Speaker 3: one of them. I should have piled them up in order,
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  Speaker 3: but here's one of them taken into custody. And the
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  Speaker 3: one that really hit home with me, there are four
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 1: This is another one.
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  Speaker 3: The New Politics of Sex by Dr. Stephen Baskerville right here.
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  Speaker 3: Those are very important. And then we have here two more.
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  Speaker 3: This is called The Gentleman's Guide. But this one really
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  Speaker 3: is the one that really hit home with me. This
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  Speaker 3: one right here is the one that really compelled me
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  Speaker 3: to email him because it is his most recent book
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  Speaker 3: and he has a chapter on it dealing a lot
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  Speaker 3: with fatherlessness. And also he had a chapter called Emasculated America.
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  Speaker 3: And kind of I read his book, The New Political
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  Speaker 3: Sex some time ago, but about two summers ago, I
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  Speaker 3: read this book. And I would think at that point,
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  Speaker 3: the book actually is a fascinating book, but it was
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  Speaker 3: also kind of infuriating because, you know, to tell someone,
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  Speaker 3: you know, tell us why we're here as guys and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the degradation of the country, but also have
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  Speaker 3: tied into emasculation as a whole. Then I said to myself,
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  Speaker 3: I have to email him. I need to talk to
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  Speaker 3: this man one day. I got to talk to him.
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  Speaker 3: So I emailed him with a very heartfelt letter telling
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  Speaker 3: him my story of fatherlessness and also what I think
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  Speaker 3: of what's going on and what I think of his
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  Speaker 3: books and his essays. And I thought, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the guy might just say thank you, or he must
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  Speaker 3: be so busy as a professor and political scientist and
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  Speaker 3: writer that he'll just say thank you and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: But he did accept an invitation to speak to me.
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  Speaker 3: And also Helen Smith kind of nudged him because I
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  Speaker 3: had an interview with her also, and she just nudged
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  Speaker 3: him in case also, but he was already going to
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  Speaker 3: write back to me anyways.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I secured it.
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  Speaker 3: So to get back to why I think, I think
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  Speaker 3: that he'll probably agree with me that He liked the
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  Speaker 3: way that I synthesized the information in his book, exactly how.
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  Speaker 2: He intended a reader to take it.
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  Speaker 1: I see. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And we're also very interested in the same things. So I,
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  Speaker 3: even before the episodes took off, I would find some
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  Speaker 3: things on the internet, throw around ideas and emails. And
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  Speaker 3: we just happened to be two men that think the same,
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  Speaker 3: that I'm able to synthesize and process his work the
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  Speaker 3: way that he is. Because even sometimes when I talk
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  Speaker 3: to him and other guests, I feel like I have... No,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. I
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  Speaker 3: do have an advanced degree in a science, so I
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  Speaker 3: do understand both abstract and scientific concepts, but I sometimes
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  Speaker 3: even feel like I have imposter syndrome because I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a political.
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  Speaker 2: Scientist or big author or something. But it worked out.
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  Speaker 2: It works out very well, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of people who are political scientists probably
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  Speaker 1: don't deserve that title. So I wouldn't feel too bad
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  Speaker 1: about it. So... Um, right now, what, what is the, the, the,
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  Speaker 1: what direction is your content going with the mansplainers? I
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  Speaker 1: know you've been doing interviews, but like where, where is
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  Speaker 1: like the, um, I guess the conversation headed, are you
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  Speaker 1: talking more about things dealing with men's mental health? Are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about, um, the, the fatherless epidemic, uh, the
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  Speaker 1: feminism in general, or is it something a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something else completely?
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  Speaker 3: There is a large emphasis on feminism because feminine is,
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  Speaker 3: is a, dominant ideology now it is i believe that
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  Speaker 3: there's been other ideologies that have been all over the
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  Speaker 3: west but i think that the prevailing ideology right now
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  Speaker 3: is feminism so there have been other ideologies that have
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  Speaker 3: dealt with race other ideology that have dealt with class
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  Speaker 3: but here we are yeah here we are now with
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  Speaker 3: feminism and it's right out in the open it's also
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  Speaker 3: being expressed in daily life so that really is a
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  Speaker 3: big important one for example um and i will get
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  Speaker 3: back to what you're saying I'm trying to not be long-winded,
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  Speaker 3: but feminism is a dominant subject because even if you
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  Speaker 3: look at, let's say, what men are going through, even
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  Speaker 3: in daily life with these quotas in the working world,
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  Speaker 3: if you look at men's lives in terms of dating
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  Speaker 3: or courtship or marriage, feminism is all over it. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that some people do not know how feminism
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  Speaker 3: might have a presence in in all those areas of life,
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  Speaker 3: but it does. And that could be explained very simply. And,
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  Speaker 3: but also we're going in another direction as well, because
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  Speaker 3: we've also dealt with.
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  Speaker 2: Mental health.
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  Speaker 3: For example, we recently, a few weeks ago had a
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  Speaker 3: episode with Terrence pop, the veteran who has helped, I.
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  Speaker 2: Believe the number.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's great guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's the goat. Yeah. Terrence is the goat.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 1: One of many goats. We have lots of goats here
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  Speaker 1: in the mix.
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  Speaker 3: But I, I think that he's a, a top goat
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  Speaker 3: because he has saved hundreds of men from suicide.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's over 500, I believe. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's actually at 604. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: You might be right. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 604. So that's a serious thing.
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  Speaker 3: Suicidal, um, you know, suicide, uh, the, uh, is a,
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  Speaker 3: is a crisis now that is the rates have been
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  Speaker 3: increasing through the years for men.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, that dealt with mental health. And also we're
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  Speaker 2: going to go in a different, some direction.
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  Speaker 3: Also, as I said, hopefully we will speak to Jack
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  Speaker 3: Donovan about mental health, discipline, just mastering your own life.
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  Speaker 3: So we plan on, let's say hitting home with all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of areas of men's lives.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And I also plan on coming out perhaps if time
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  Speaker 3: allows me to, to come out with more nutrition and
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  Speaker 3: fitness content outside of the mansplainers for my channel.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, you know, the thing about, feminism
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  Speaker 1: and I've been, I've been, you know, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: it all the time on this channel too. And the,
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  Speaker 1: and some people will ask, like, why do you talk
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  Speaker 1: about feminism instead of just focusing on men's issues? But
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  Speaker 1: the problem is, is that, uh, the, first of all, what,
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  Speaker 1: and I, I want to see what you think about this. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize just how ubiquitous it is.
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  Speaker 1: Like when, when people talk about it, they think of
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  Speaker 1: it as a position that someone actively says they hold
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  Speaker 1: and And then they say, I am a feminist, and
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  Speaker 1: here's why. They wear T-shirts. They, you know, whatever. They protest.
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  Speaker 1: They make videos about it. They write about it. They
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  Speaker 1: become academics that are particularly focused on it. But that's
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  Speaker 1: not really all of it. I think that it's everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And especially in... It's especially an issue in the places
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  Speaker 1: where you don't think it is, like churches, like in
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  Speaker 1: supposed conservative pundits. Like they... they hold these positions. And
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  Speaker 1: I always say that everybody is feminist to some degree,
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  Speaker 1: unless you work really hard to go against it. Like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have some of it internalized because on
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  Speaker 1: some level, most people accept it. Like they say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, back when suffrage was going on, I totally
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. Instead of like, you know, critically examining
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it was ever a good thing and
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  Speaker 1: what the world may have looked like before it even existed.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants that. They'll they'll talk about, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: they're very troubled by it. Like you said, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different ideologies, but this is the current one.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, all those other ideologies, like people
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  Speaker 1: that are pushing for socialism or communism because of class struggle,
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  Speaker 1: people who are pushing for racial politics, people who are
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  Speaker 1: pushing for LGBTQ politics, whatever it is, right? All of
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  Speaker 1: those things still exist, but they don't have nearly as
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  Speaker 1: much power and influence that feminism does. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: those things will never be able to overtake that because
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  Speaker 1: fundamentally we are, when it comes to our differences between peoples,
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  Speaker 1: there is nothing that is more stark than the man
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  Speaker 1: and the woman. Like whether the rich and the poor,
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  Speaker 1: the black or the white, those things are not as disparaging.
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  Speaker 1: They aren't as different as a male and the female.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: It makes 100% sense.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: And we actually went over this in several episodes recently.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: For example- We just spoke to Dr. Janice Fiamengo and
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: also people should check out the video on my channel.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: And I've said to Paul and Janice Fiamengo pretty much
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: verbatim in videos that you will meet people, both men
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: and women who say that there are feminists or feminist sympathetic.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: And then when you ask them to actually define the
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: objectives and goals of feminism, they.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Can't name them.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: And also when you ask them to say, for example,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: list prominent feminists and what they had to say, they
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: also can't list those either. So I actually said to Janice,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I said, isn't it interesting that, you know, with different
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: ideologies and religions, the adherents actually can tell you who
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: they believe and what they believe. For example, if someone
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: is a Christian, they go by the teachings of Jesus
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Christ or someone like Martin Luther or saints or popes.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: If someone is a communist, they could tell you about Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Mao, etc.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: But when people say that they're sympathetic to feminism. They
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: have never read any feminist literature, most of them, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: they can't name a feminist or what these women said.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: So that's very good. That is perplexing and something to
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: think about. And as we said in our episodes, is
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: that it's an ideology that is far more personal and
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: intrusive than the other ideologies that we mentioned, because it
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: deals with sexuality and everybody, no matter what class ideology
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: you have, no matter what you think of this world, everybody,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: has a sexual nature and deals with the opposite sex
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: to a degree or wants to deal with the opposite
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: sex in some ways.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And also if ever anybody.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Wants to- Or they grew up with it because they
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: were raised by someone, there were people in their life
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that were the opposite sex, yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: For example, if someone were to say, how could it affect, okay,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: even if we take one example in a way that
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: we might not come to mind in terms of courtship
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and dating, the main enforcers of the sexual revolution In
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the sexual revolution, one of the foremost elements of that
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: was sexual, quote, liberation. So in sexual liberation, most people suffer.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And we've been dealing with sexual liberation for quite some time. Now,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that everybody loves sexual regulation.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But sexual regulation does not completely.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Solve all the problems.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Unpleasant things that could go wrong between the sexes, such
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: as adultery, cheating problems, domestic problems, et cetera.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: But sexual regulation seeks to, well, Dr.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Daniel Linnaeus calls it sexual law and order. When there's
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: no sexual law and order, all kinds of blunders happen,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: whether it's, let's say, fatherless homes, even difficulty finding a mate,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: which many men are having a difficulty with these days
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Let me back up for a second. Can
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you go a little bit into what You mean by
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: sexual law and order or sexual... What was it? Regulation.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Not repression. Regulation. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Well, sexual regulation is... I'm not going to say everybody's
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a fan of it because it's not the most thrilling
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: or fun.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I know. But just so that we
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: know what it is.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It means sexual norms, meaning expecting some system that regulates sexuality.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: For example, simple expectations.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Like, for example, I know that people have different views
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: on the so-called body count, but under sexual regulation, it is...
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: The norm is to keep that thing down, to keep
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: that number down.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So you're talking about things like, you know, being chased
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to some degree, chastity is valued, you know, waiting till
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: marriage maybe, just sort of like stuff that we've done historically.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like there weren't people who operated outside of it,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: but we had a standard that we knew kept things
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: relatively orderly. Because the sexual revolution... was primarily benefiting women.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: If having sex with lots of different partners was considered
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a benefit. Like obviously, you know, that depends on whether
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: or not you think it's a good idea at the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: time or, you know, but maybe it isn't. But at
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the time you're like, this is what I want. But
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: it generally was something that benefited women. As you can see,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we're still, we are multiple generations into that, like after that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And the purpose of it was not to liberate, it
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: was to liberate women from, womanhood ultimately, because we're at
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the point now where women just act like men and they, um,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: they're not happy. I mean, like this is statistically, they're
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: not happy. So I think that regulating anything that's pleasurable
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: is probably a good idea for you. Not, not that
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: we want to, that doesn't need to be made into
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a law or anything like that, but on a personal level,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it's probably good to regulate your passions, the things that
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you want to do, whether it's to eat or or
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to smoke or to do drugs or to drink or
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: women or whatever. Right. And I think that like, that's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the thing that nobody wants to really talk about is,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, just regulating pleasures is probably wise. We don't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: have to turn it into a law. And sex is
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the one thing that I think that it's like, so omnipresent,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: especially with the internet, it's like everywhere. And I think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that it's making people crazy. I know it's especially young people, women,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in particular.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Well yes you hit upon a bunch of things that
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that are important for example um with the sexual revolution
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: it was almost like with no fault divorce also being
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: in that revolution is that if you take away marriage
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: if you take away that that pretty much the main
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: lever of regulating sexuality if we're going to let's say
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: expect sex within marriage which that's impossible now i'm not
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: going to tell any guy to wait for marriage now
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: because as well yeah as right yeah Sorry, let me
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: interrupt you.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, it's fine. I was just going to say, like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not it. It's like if you've already
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: if you're already out there, then you're out there.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But and but I'm just saying I don't disagree that. Like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it's not like we can put that genie back in
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the bottle, you know. Right. So. Right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: But when you when you just get away with marriage,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: all sorts of problems arise. For example, foremost, the most thought.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Worst problem out of it is fatherlessness. That's the worst
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: problem out of all, which has done a major destruction
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to our society. Secondly, as Roger Devlin said in his book,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: and anybody who wants a primer on feminism over the
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: course of a weekend, if you want to just read
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: seven essays and get the real deal on what feminism
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: is and what it did, read Roger Devlin's collection of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: essays called sexual utopian power, the feminist revolt against civilization
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: with the subtitle being appropriate, you know, So, um, when
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you just get rid of marriage, what you do is you,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: as he put it, you strengthen the already strong, you
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: strengthen the already attractive and you strengthen women at the.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Expense of men. That's what happened. Just like you said.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And also when you get rid of marriage also, well,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: then you have the pseudo polygamy that we polygamy that
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: we have today.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Much, not all.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. It's like harems. That's what we
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have today. Right. You have multiple women sharing very few men. Yes.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: So and so the women are miserable because they kind
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of want a commitment and they're they're engaging in active
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: sexual competition with other women for to be like that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: man's number one girl. And then you have a bunch
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of men that have nobody. So this is like, yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: this is bad across the board. At least, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it does not compatible with Western civilization. But yeah, go ahead.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, exactly. That's what's happening.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And also, I think that we're going to actually have
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: a discussion soon with someone about polygamy, actually, but formal polygamy,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: because I rate it like this little diversion. I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: that in terms of a sophisticated society, probably the most
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: sophisticated one is the one that expects enforced socially enforced monogamy,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: then organized polygamy, because we don't have organized polygamy. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: then third is this rampant, unregulated polygamy that we have today.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: For example, if you did have formal polygamy, there'd be
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: a differentiation here. The guy would actually have four wives
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: or whatever number of wives, and people understand who the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: father of the children are in this multi-woman household. In
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: this day and age, I don't know what you call this.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: There's no rhyme or reason to it at all. And
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: it even actually causes problems for men who are attractive.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: It's not all just fun and games for men who
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: are attractive or men who can get dates with women.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: It causes a host of problems for, I think, most men.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Not just men who are less attractive or lower status.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't look down on any man, actually,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: for his profession or standing. I'm just saying in terms of,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: let's say... Social class. I'm not one of these red
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: pillars who looks down on men, who expects men to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: constantly improve themselves and one-up themselves. That's something I want
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to touch upon also.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe we get into it, maybe in another episode. I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: am totally against that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I agree, 100%. I think that that's the problem with
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the modern... Okay, I don't know how to word this.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I will say, to start, it's the problem with the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: modern manosphere, but I'm going to add a caveat or
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: qualifier to that. When I say modern manosphere, I'm referring
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: specifically to the men that the media has been giving
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of attention to and shining a light on
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: because they are the best straw man representation of what
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: people like you and I are actually trying to do.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And what those guys are doing is they're basically just
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: telling men, this is how you play the game to win.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: But it's not going to work out for those guys
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: most of the time. And a lot of times the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: guys that are doing this, that are selling this stuff,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Their image is fake anyway. They rent the vehicles. They
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: rent the girls. And then they film it all. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they're like, don't you want this? And guys shouldn't be
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: chasing that stuff. First of all, they're not going to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: get a good quality woman out of that. And I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: think that most men who are looking for help, they're
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: looking for a good woman that's going to be loyal
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to them. And they want to start a family with.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a good mother and a wife.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So that's not where they're going to get their answers.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: But that seems to be the only game in town.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: because again, because of the way the exposure works, like
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: if you're a guy looking for help, you're not going
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to find your channel or our channel or, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: somebody in the men's rights space, you're going to find
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like these, you know, extremely high profile, high exposure, high
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: visibility channels that are just telling guys how to get
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: their money up. And a lot of it involves giving
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: them a monthly subscription and, you know, getting involved with
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: some crypto scam or something. So unfortunately, yeah, that's that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with you a hundred percent on that. Um, and,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and if the thing is the, and I don't even
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: blame those guys, to be honest, because the only reason
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: why a market for that even exists is because of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: how bad things have gotten. Like if there were men
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that were able to meet a girl in, at their
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: job or at school or, you know, what a church,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and then just start, you know, a relationship with them.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And they, both of them have parents and family members
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that are involved with that to like, you know, um,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: cultivate that into a healthy relationship. which that does still happen,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: but it's not as common, then they wouldn't be looking
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: for Red Hill content. So, yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame any male for looking at this,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you know, consuming this content. I mean, what else is there?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And also there is some beneficial stuff in there.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You know, some of them.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And also just educating oneself on sexual revolution and just
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the scene that they have to deal with. You know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you go into the so-called dating scene knowing what the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: deal is. I believe that's important now. It doesn't mean
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: you play some silly game, but you should be aware
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: of some things, but you don't have to, uh, consume
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: hours and hours.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And I've been complaining about this a lot.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Also. I've mentioned to people, this is another direction I
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: want to address also with Dr. Basketball for one of
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: our episodes, this, these, these shows like the Chris Williamson
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: show or, um, Scott Galloway's content, these men who are discussing,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: and I call it cracking the female attraction code. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I give credit to Lux Maximus for that term, cracking
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: the female attraction code. Anybody who wants to look up
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: some funny stuff, go look up Lux Maximus from back
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: in the day.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So anyway.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: It's not normal that we have hours and hours of
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: content analyzing what triggers attraction in females.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That is not normal.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: You do not have to tune in to a two-hour
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Chris Williamson show on evolutionary psychology to equip yourself with
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: what it takes to attract a woman.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's completely, it's actually insane, actually. It's driving people insane
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: as well, I think.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I have, I take some issue with Chris Williamson only
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because I think that he's, trying really hard to avoid
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: talking to the people that actually have something to say.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And instead he's talking around this conversation with people who
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: are like, I don't, I don't know. It's like, he's gatekeeping.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know how else to put it. The same
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: thing with Scott, Scott Galloway. He's like, you know, he's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like the feminist answer to the manosphere and he pretends
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to be a manosphere guy, but he's not, he's just
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: doing the, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, but not
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: even with sympathy. It's like he knows the data, he
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: knows all the problems. He can spit them all out,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: like the suicide rates and the joblessness and all that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to addressing the blame or the problem,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he won't go there. He won't say to him, women
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: do not have unreasonable expectations. Feminism was nothing but 100%
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: good for mankind. He won't go there. So to me,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I just have to write him off as not ready
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for this conversation. But I want to move to... Well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: do you want to say anything to that before I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: move on to something different?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Very quickly. They're avoiding two serious things.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that any serious discussion about men's prom
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: these days is a serious conversation unless people mention one,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: legislation that concludes a divorce regime, and two, a serious
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: analysis of the sexual market.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Anything else that people talk about that is.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It is almost worthless, pretty much worthless.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: You can't correct those, that those situations, the job market,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the sexual market or family without mentioning those two hardcore topics.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And those guys never mentioned them.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's true. Yes. All right. So let's go back
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to the, to the, the physical health part. So you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: were a bodybuilder and I have noticed this. So I've
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: been going to the gym. I've been seeing this at
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: my gym, but I started seeing this online and I thought, well,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't that common, but it seems to be
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a growing problem. And I don't know if you've ever
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: talked about this, but I have seen a lot of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: really young guys. I'm talking like 16, 17, 18, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they get on gear so that they can have, they're
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: basically getting into the looks maxing thing, but they're taking like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, what is it? Tren, testosterone shots to steroids
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: so that they can get as, ripped as possible because they're,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they're trying to max out their attractiveness. Have you seen
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: this around or have you ever, have you ever thought
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: about this stuff? Cause I think that these young guys
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: are doing a lot of damage to themselves so that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they can look a certain way. And it's not because
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they want to compete necessarily. Like, I think that they're
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just trying to be like the most buff, most shredded
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: looking guy at their school. Yes.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: But I think that it's, It was around, for example,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: my second gym that I joined, Powerhouse Gym on Francis
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Lewis Boulevard in Queens, New York. Whether people call that
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: town White Center Base, that was like the border of.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: border of whitestone and.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Bayside and actually one time it was actually padlocked because
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of all the steroid steroid dealing that was going on
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: wow it was kind of like a gym filled with
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: like i don't know like.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Like how old were those guys though because i'm talking
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: about guys that are like teenagers oh no.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: There were guys mostly 20s and 30s and above 20s
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to 50s but some teenagers who are already using drugs
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: um bodybuilding drugs performance enhancement drugs But I think that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: it's becoming more prevalent now.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And I was a bodybuilder.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I competed in the National Federation, but I have drug-using
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: bodybuilding friends. And they've always been honest with me what
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: they do. But I've had friends who have used Tren,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: friends who've used Halotestin, testosterone sipping, you name it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: But I believe.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: That they are causing damage to their body, especially they
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: are causing damage to their body. Pulmonary, cardiovascular, and hormonal systems.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: All three of those systems are being severely hampered by
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: these drugs.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So that's just very dangerous.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And you also, if they use those drugs for an
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: extended use of time, they are going to make themselves hypogonadal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: They're going to shut down their normal LH, FSH, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: testosterone levels. You will have a problem with that no
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: matter what. And it is practically guaranteed, especially at the
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: doses that that people use, for example, hundreds of milligrams
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: or a thousand milligrams. Well, now it's like grams per week. So,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you know, that is very frightening.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Dude, I've seen videos of lots of guys on Instagram that,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm talking, they're like in high school
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and they, they're trying to, I think that a lot
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of it is coming down to like trying to match, uh,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: women's hypergamy. So they're like, Oh, women are looking for this.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be that. And more because I want
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to be like the guy that stands out. And so
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm bringing this up. It's it's, I mean, it's,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know, there's guys that are like, Oh, I'm going
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to be a fitness influencer or whatever. And they're, and they,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: they lie about whether or not they're natural, um, because
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they want to sell some kind of product. And there's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of that that goes on as well, but
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily talking about that because that's got Not
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: as much to do with what we discuss in terms
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of men's issues, but men, young men who feel like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in order to compete on the sexual marketplace, which kind
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of goes back to the things you were bringing up
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: about the sexual marketplace, the sexual landscape being an issue.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And also these sort of manosphere guys that are also
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like a lot of them are showing themselves as bodybuilders
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So you have, or at least they, you know, they're,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: they're like in good shape. And you have these young
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: guys who are lonely and they're looking at that and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: they're like, I'm going to be that, you know, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they're told go lift bro. Right. And they do that
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and they're not seeing results fast enough. So they get
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: on these drugs. And so I, I think I wanted
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about it in a video, but I don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm, um, I don't have enough experience with that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You know, like I only started going to the gym
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: about a year ago and I certainly haven't used any
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of the products and all that. But I, I think
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that you as a bodybuilder, I think it could be
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: an interesting, um, or a former bodybuilder, it could be
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: an interesting thing to explore because I think it comes
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: down to men that the, the sort of insecurities of men.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: And these are things that nobody wants to talk about is,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you know, men who feel like they are insufficient, you know?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Well, yes, but I, I believe, I mean, of course
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: people are interested in bodies, both men and women like bodies.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: And obviously if you have a good body, Um, I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: still take the gym very seriously.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I don't work. I work on a different fashion. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: have to work at very early these days, but I'm
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: still consistent.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I personally am still interested in, you know, even as
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a married guy, I want to look attractive to my wife.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: All these, So obviously it's natural no matter what you are, single, married, looking, whatever.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: So yes, you should go to the gym. You should
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: also go to the gym for your health also, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: also your own enjoyment and also to meet other people generally.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It's a social place as well. So that's very good.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm always going to.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Push the gym, push exercise on everybody, whether someone's 20
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: years old, seven years old. However, that, that practice of
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: taking steroids, especially those doses and especially what they're using,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: for example, uh, Even just some of the veterinary drugs
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: that were not even intended for humans.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Stuff like cows and horses?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: For example, Equipoise was a popular steroid when I used
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: to go to the gym in the early 90s. A
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: lot of guys would talk about the Equipoise, which I
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: believe was a veterinary drug, but it has anabolic effects.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But besides that, I think there's Finiplex, which is where.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Finiplex, I believe, is where Tren comes from.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Or it was an early derivative.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I believe it was a veterinary one. Besides that, these
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: are drugs that will destroy one's health. And I personally,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe my friends will get mad at me
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: if they saw this. I don't know one guy who
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: has not suffered a bad health side effect from taking
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: drugs who didn't suffer from it in some way or another.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: They, if you do that, you're going to have a problem.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My, my, my primary thing is like really, cause
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like I, you know, really young guys
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: using lots and lots of gear and they have, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: they get like, what do they call it? Bitch tits
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and lots of acne and, you know, these kinds of effects. Right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And they're very young too. So like, I worry about
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like what they're doing to themselves because they think they
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: need to like meet a certain standard. I mean, there
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: should be a standard, but I'm, but like, it gets
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to the point where it, it doesn't make sense. Like
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you're only 16, you should be living, you know, the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: life of a teenager and you, maybe you shouldn't be
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: thinking about girls this much. I mean, I know you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: can't help it, but you know what I mean? Like
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to the point where it's affecting your life and potentially
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: your health. Right.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Like for example, with the gynecomastia that involves a surgery
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: that I don't even, I don't even know if that's
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: covered by insurance, that it's expensive. Also, that is, I
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: have never had, I have friends that had, I had
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: a friend who had his gynecomastia removed. I don't know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: two people I know who had it removed actually. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: that is a, that's not a condition anybody wants. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: also it's extremely expensive to get that removed. Secondly, also,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: as you said, it could cause the cystic acne, which
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: is evident just by going to a gym and amongst
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: some users. So also you can get a great body
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: without using this. You could still get a phenomenal physique
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: without this. So I don't see the point of it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: And it's also a point of diminishing returns. It's not
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: as if it's not as if the more muscular you get,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: the more you're going to be liked by anyone.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: There's a threshold of this.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And personally speaking, I'm not out there these days. I'm
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: not on the so-called market, but I've had experience throughout
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: my life and been in the gyms for a very
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: long time that generally speaking, I believe that this whole
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: muscle maxing thing, if that's what you want to do personally,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: you love it, do it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: But I don't believe there's such an emphasis on it
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: that women even care about it that much as much
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: as men do.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I really don't think so. I agree.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I think that men think that they're doing what women
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: want because they hear about it online. And again, we're
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: talking about teenagers, so it's not like they've lived a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: life long enough that gives them the wisdom to know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like what you hear about is not necessarily
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: what people want.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And that's what concerns me. Do you think that maybe
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: because gyms, there are no male only gyms really, right?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think that might be part of it? Because
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: when I go to the gym, there's, you know, there's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: women at the gym and they're wearing almost nothing. Like,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it is, but like gym,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: gyms today, the way women dress at the gym is
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: not like it used to be at all. It's like,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: it's all a show. It's all for, for their cameras.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So they can do their social media posts, whatever. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I think it makes it, I could see how a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: young guy would be really distracted and basically be like, well,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I got to step up so I can like talk
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to that girl at the gym. You know, do you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: think that co-ed gyms are a problem? I.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Um, in the way that you're saying it, it's a
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: problem in the way that perhaps inadvertently, I mean, no
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: one's intending to cause this, but perhaps what you're saying
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: is true that because of this exposure of the women
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: in the gyms, men are reacting in a way that
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: they believe that they have to go to the limit
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: with their own physiques. Is that, I believe that's what
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you're saying. So this is causing this, I don't know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I guess a bad feedback loop that could be the
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: problem also. And also, I mean, I named my channel
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: a male space because we don't have male spaces and
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: we don't have male designated gyms. And so, but I,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I agree with you actually. That doesn't make sense what
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: you just said.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like, because I think that there, we should have, well,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: obviously I'm, I've been talking about men needing their own
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: spaces for a long time. And the gym is just
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: one of those spaces, but I mean all kinds of spaces, right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Because I think that when men are, I think that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like when it comes to love today, let me know
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: what you think about this. There are different kinds of love, right?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: There's like, there is platonic love, there's love between friends,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: love for family, love for your children, and then there's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: love for a woman or a man of the opposite sex.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And it seems like our society has, and maybe this
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: is because of the sexual revolution, we have almost considered
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: the love for the opposite sex, or at least attraction,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: sexual attraction, as the highest form of love at the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: expense of everything else. Maybe the only thing exceeding that
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is a love for yourself. Right. You know, like as
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: a woman, to love yourself might even be higher than that.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that when you take that away, the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: agape love, the love for your neighbor, and you sort
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of like make it less important. I think that this puts,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it makes it even harder to make spaces for men
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: because men don't think they need to be around other
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: men because they see all closeness as sexual and it
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be, you know?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Am I making sense or?
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: You're making 100% sex.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: And as I said twice, that's why I'm going to have,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I want Jack Donovan on my show because he's dealing
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: with male solidarity. And this is a big issue that
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I want to discuss. See, my view, it's very similar
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to your view. And I've discussed this with Paul actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: also and Dr. Baskerville on and off the episodes is
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: that when you remove male belonging, male spaces from, And
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say masculine affection.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I don't mean anything, you know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: No, of course not. Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: But the proper term.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Is it wild that we have to make this disqualifier?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Like we even have to say that? Yeah, but go ahead.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Wild that we have to say male masculine affection, but
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know, not that way. And it was just understood
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: in the past that you had your, I guess your
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: so-called boys, you had your crew, you had your gang, crew, posse,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, is that when you
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: take away this male friendship and male solidarity and male
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: spaces and male civic organizations and fraternities, et cetera, right?
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: All you're left with is this hyper-focused emphasis, this abnormal
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: hyper-focused emphasis on.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Women and sex.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It almost causes an obsession with them. And also, as
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I said with Paul also, I said, I believe in
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: several discussions with him is that I believe one of
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: the reasons, and I've been telling my friends this also,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: especially one that got out of a relationship recently, he's
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: very upset over it, is that thankfully his friends, also
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: friends like me, pat on my back, whatever, is that
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: because I look out for my friends, I take my
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: friendships very seriously actually, is that when you take all
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: this away and a man breaks up with a woman,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: let's say it's a breakup from a so-called relationship or
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: a marriage, well, if all your buddies are not there,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: who's there for you at all?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: No one, no one is there.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: And people also, people don't understand this is like, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: people pass away, you know, heaven forbid, but what if
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: your spouse passes away? What happens to you now? Even
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: if it isn't a breakup, what goes on there? And
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: all these, not all, but many men are obsessed with this.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: And also back in the past, people did not put
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: so much unrealistic expectations on a spouse. I mean, the
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: spouse was a central.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Figure in their life.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: You know, you're living with your spouse, it's your family, you're,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: your father or mother of your children, but to have
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: this spouse as your sexual partner, as your financial partner,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: as your confidant, as your psychologist, as your social worker,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: as your everything. This is, I actually believe that's one
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: of the reasons why there's not only because of no
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: fault divorce, the incentivization of divorce, I believe that's what
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: causes divorce and breakups as well. Because the- the attention
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: is not, let's say dispersed over in-laws or neighbors or
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: church goers or other religious members or your buddies at
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: the gym or elsewhere. It's all just cooped up in
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: this quest to get a mate or just with your
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: mate all day.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. I, that is so important. I think fellowship,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I guess, to put it, you know, or basically having
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: your bros. I mean, there's, It's so crucial. And I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: think that it's just really undervalued. Ultimately, it's about community.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: It's about community. So, yeah. I was going to ask
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: another question. And why is it slipping my mind now? Oh,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I want to get back to you just talking about
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: this whole thing about community. And for some reason, I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: had this image in my head. I've been doing a
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: series of videos on Prominent. uh, feminists, just like looking
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: at their life and sort of like explaining, you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: who they are, what they contributed to the movement, what
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: happened to them, what their legacy was. And I just finished, um,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: script for Valerie Solanas. Do you know Valerie Solanas is? No.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: She is the feminist best known for writing the scum
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: manifesto society for cutting up men. And she shot Andy
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Warhol and ultimately contributed to his death. Like she didn't
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: kill him on the spot, but he died later, uh,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I think it was years later, but it was of
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: complications that arose from the gunshot wound. It was his gallbladder.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think that they had to remove it. And yeah. So,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: and anyway, this is the thing about Valerie Solanas that
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I thought was interesting. And there's lots of feminists that
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: have similar stories. She, you know, that she ended up
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: dying alone in like a government paid for, like, I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, home of some kind, like a, like a, a,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: almost like a Section 8 house that she lived in alone.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And her body was there five days before somebody found it.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And her sister didn't tell her family members, like nieces
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever, until they asked about her a year after
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: it happened. And I just thought, how sad is that?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: This woman, she really hated men. She really hated men.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And her contribution was this manifesto, which is basically mind
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: comp for feminists, as much as nobody wants to acknowledge
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that reality because it still gets celebrated by a lot
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of feminists. Like, you know, she was dead for five
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: days until someone probably was like, dude, it stinks in there.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Let's find out what's going on and found her corpse.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And I, as someone who recently hit my mid 50s,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: or at least I'm getting to my mid 50s, The
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: last thing I would want is to be in a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: position where I'm going to die like that. And I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: thought about how you were saying, you know, what do
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: you do when your partner, your significant other passes away?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You become a widow and you don't have like a network.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You don't have a community of people that are around you.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. I just think like how could
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a movement be so popular when the people who headed
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: it up were so miserable? It's just– I don't know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Well, there are– first of all, what I want to
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: say is that I wasn't familiar with the name when
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you said it. I did not– although I've read a
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: great deal about feminism, I actually did not read the
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Scum Manifesto. But when you started saying what that woman
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: is about, now I know who you're talking about, although
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't read it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: She wanted to genocide men. She wanted to– I mean,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: it seemed like a lofty idea. Yes.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: There is an exterminationist strain of feminism also. For example,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: I believe it was the one, Sally Gearhart, the one
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: who wanted to reduce the human population so that only
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: 10% of the human population were men. So just to
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: throw that in there, there's an exterminationist strain to feminism
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So an anti-life strain as well, obviously.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: It's a death cult for sure. I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: But what you're saying is true because it's kind of, Well, also,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: it is also an intoxicating movement. You know, grievance and
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: hatred and rage are... It's easy to stir people up
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: with those emotions. And you feel also very powerful. I mean,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not a psychologist, but even from my own makeup
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: or just observation, you do feel powerful when you're angry.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you probably feel intimidating or strong. And also,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: there's this kind of.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Self-sabotage in feminism because, for example, because of the sexual revolution,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: we have many people that are winding up alone and
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: many older feminists do wind up alone.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: They wind up alone because.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: They're holding out for this mythical, exciting, highly attractive man
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: that is almost in so few numbers that you might
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: as well just say that they don't even exist or
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: are not the spaces that most people... exist in most
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: people are not surrounded by billionaire or celebrity or ball
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: playing men so that's that's your standard then you're going
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: to wind up alone and as much as feminists say
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that they do not like men feminists personally do have
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: men many feminists of.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Course yeah most of them don't live up to their
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: prescription for the women who follow them.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Right.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: So, but, but if you're going to be, if one
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: of them is going to be, for example, a adherent
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: to feminism and take that line that you deserve only
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: the best or someone that doesn't even exist, you're going
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: to wind up alone.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: And even the man, Henry Macko, he.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Actually wrote an essay called the effects of sexual deprivation
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: on women that were living in an age where I.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Understand that a lot of people want to say that, oh,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: everybody's promiscuous. All these women are promiscuous. Well, a lot
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: of them aren't.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: A lot of them are holding out for something that's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: not going, someone who's not going to come around. And
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: then when you reach 40, 50, 60, you're going to
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: be a love-deprived person.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. What do you think about the Lindsay Clancy case?
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And when I say this, I'm not talking about what
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the woman did. I'm talking about the, let's say the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: reactions around it. Does this shock you at all? Or what,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? I would say the nature of
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: it is highly disturbing.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It is horrific.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: However, I'm not with what I know about feminism. I'm
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: not surprised because if you think about, and I've talked
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: about this, talk about this and read about this with Dr.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Bass from Dr. Bass with him is that one of
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the foremost aims of feminism is not being equality is
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: the first and foremost aim is ownership of reproduction.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: That is why not only, for example, that abortion is
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: used as a form of birth control, it goes beyond this.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: It goes to saying that we are in charge of reproduction.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: We own this and we don't want to share it
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: with you. And abortion is the final blow to it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: So for example, this goes beyond abortion, but I believe
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: that in some people's minds, not in a healthy way,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: but this is the Mm-hmm. So that's my interpretation of it.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: And I believe it is a watershed moment.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, you said something fascinating too. Did any of
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the women in the jury that were interviewed afterwards that
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: spoke about it or people in the news that have
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: been talking about it and trying to sort of like, well,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know, giving their two cents. None of those people,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: as far as I know, announced themselves to be feminists.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yet we know that feminism is what's moving these women
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in this direction.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: That's how powerful this ideology is.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: It's the water we swim in. It's the air we breathe, right? Right.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And that's what I said that I think bears repeating
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: is that even when you speak to people who are
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: not knowledgeable of what feminism is, they just simply say
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: they're a feminist or they're feminist sympathetic. Or they will
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: just simply tell you things that feminism is not about.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: It was never about equality. It was never about fairness
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: from the start. And I know a lot of people
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: will say, well, it's only second to fourth wave and,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: you know, gorillionth wave or whatever it is. We're talking
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: about from the beginning with Mary Wollstonecraft and people like her.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: So it was, that's my answer, yes. I'm not surprised
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: by anybody going along with this and everybody in everyday
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: conversation or even with this case just going along and
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that's it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the way that the one
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: holdout Well, let's look at the Lindsay Clancy case as a,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: let's say, a microcosm. Does that fit the description of
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a microcosm of our society where you have a number
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of women dominating the conversation in the jury, right? And
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: then there are three men and two of those men
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: bend the knee and one of them takes a stand.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Does that like sound like our reality? Like, is that guy,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: as Paul describes it, that one man, is he the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: 5% of the 5%? Do you see what I'm saying?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting case study.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I do think it's a microcosm because if you're someone
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: like us or Paul or Dr. Amnesius or Devlin or
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: whoever else we're going to say, these are men who
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: investigated what the real deal is.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Most people are not going to. Most people.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you can even.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I think you could blame them to a degree because
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I think that people should really own up to what
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: they say they believe or what they're sympathetic to. I mean,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: if you're going to say that you're sympathetic to something,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: you should at least know what you're talking about. But
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I believe that they do not because, I mean, unless
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: you have a high interest in a subject throughout daily life,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: what would compel someone to educate themselves?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Very little.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think about the two men that...
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Did also agree with the women. That cave to the women.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I don't really know what happened in that jury room.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I can't speak to that. And all we can do
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is speculate. But I'm just curious about your thoughts on that.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Does that surprise you? The fact that it was even
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that close. That it took one guy to stop it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Is a little bit amazing. But not that amazing. But
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that there were three men. And two of
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: them went along with it. What does that say about
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: men today? I think that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's men today. I think that, well,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: I think it actually is a sign of our times.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe not.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: No, it's a more modern thing, I believe. I believe
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: that it's a sign of our times and I believe
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: that it is so ingrained. It is so ingrained for
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: men to have female acceptance that men will just go
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: to limits that we wouldn't think they would to curry
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: favor with women.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Even if they're old, they're not even attractive women.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I guess I understand it, but it is still interesting.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And also, again, I think that the Lindsay Clancy case
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: is also an interesting metaphor for the ultimate end of
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: women's liberation, which leads to us valuing not even the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: safety of women, but the comfort of women over the
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: lives of children. I mean, does that make sense?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Wait, did you word it that we're coming back to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: our senses, that we believe that.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. I'm saying that it is a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: microcosm for the logical end point, or at least like
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the current point of women's liberation from discomfort. Because there
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: is nothing that's left to liberate women from except the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: burden of... already existing children. Because, you know, we've already
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: gotten to the point where we can abort. Like, women
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: have aborted more babies than every communist, you know, genocide
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: throughout history. Like, it just, the numbers don't even come close.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And I know, depending on whether or not you, you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: you're a pro-life person or not, I think setting that aside,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: if you just look at abortions as deaths, it doesn't
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: even come close. Like, women have absolutely done multiple, I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: think they've killed more unborn children than any war, all
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: wars in history put together, like all of them.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So, so what I'm saying is, is that we've already
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: allowed for that to happen now. And then we're, you know,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: we're in Massachusetts, the same state, they just made it,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I believe legal for women to get abortions right up
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: to birth. So like right at the ninth month, you
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: can get an abortion. So how is it not the
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: next logical step that we excuse a woman who kills
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: her children after they're born in the same state. And
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: it's women mostly supporting it because, and this is the,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: this is the important part because they believe that the women,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the children existing makes her uncomfortable or yeah, basically makes
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: her uncomfortable. Like sometimes children are a hassle, therefore something
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: should be done and we have to stand behind her. Yes.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm on board with what you said.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: To answer your question succinctly, I see eye to eye
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: with you. Because even in the clip that I did
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: see from the Oprah show, I saw clips. And even
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: the women who are sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy were saying
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: in the clips, you don't know what it's like to
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: have children. Now imagine saying that in regards to murder.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: You don't know what it's like to have children.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: That's akin to saying we should accept this horrific behavior
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: because of the burden of childbearing or child raising upon us.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: So it is... That's what I'm doubling down on what
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: you said.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it just seems to me that this is
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: what we're doing now. And I think that, I mean,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the trial's not over. We'll see. They're going
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: to do a do-over. And they'll probably try to get
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: people that are going to go along with supporting her.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope it doesn't happen, but it might happen. But,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that the, the important part of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the conversation is Lindsay Clancy's case itself. I think the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: important part of the conversation is the conversation that's happening
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: around it and the way women are reacting to it
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: and some men, but mostly women. So, yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: All right. So we've gone for about an hour. I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to get into all the stuff
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. But is there anything that you wanted
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to ask us or say that I didn't bring up
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: that you thought was really important?
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Actually, I you I think that you brought up some
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: things that I'm highly interested in. I mean, I see
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I did we I with you pretty much what we said.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: I really believe that I really do want to push
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the the male solidarity issue. that is extremely important in
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: what we're going through now. And also, I mean, there
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: are other things that I want to cover. I also
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: want to cover, you know, the fatherhood, the fatherlessness crisis.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: And we didn't get to that, but I, yeah. Any
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: other time that.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: You want to do an episode like this again, I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: will definitely talk for another, I could go on for
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: these topics for a very long time. That's how much
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I'm invested in it. I'm a father myself of two children.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: So that's why it's important to me. And I was
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: fine with myself. So I actually, you know, and, uh,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: what you said about the gym and the steroid use
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: was important. So, um, I mean, I can ask you
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: a question because I was familiar with some of the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: old honey badger material. What, what right now are you,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: for example, I told you some of the main things
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: about what I'm doing with the mansplainers episodes of the channel,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: the channel of male space.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: What is, what is like what you're covering with? What's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: your angle? What's your theme?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it moves, it's a little bit of a moving target,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: but these days we've been like going into doing deep
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: dives on feminist academia and looking for, well, specifically Alison,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: who runs the channel, she's been doing a lot of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: very deep dives into feminist academia and literature and sort
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: of like trying to unearth and being like as fair
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to feminism as possible and to actually get to a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: real definition of what they call patriarchy and how it's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: oppressive to women. She has yet to find anything. Obviously,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: this is going to be fruitless because it's not about
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: that at all. It's basically about, I mean, look, I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: can only speak as a Christian. I think that it's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: ultimately about subverting the masculine in every way, which they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: must do because that is what basically embodies Jesus Christ.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And Jesus Christ is the ultimate, the perfect man. And
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that's what they're ultimately attacking. And that, and he's supposed
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: to be the thing that men aspire to be like.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And so this is why they're attacking it. And it's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: all about inverting hierarchies, not even flattening them, inverting them
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to put women at the top and men and children
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: underneath them. I'm not saying it's effective, but that's kind
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: of what I think the goal is. And there's a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: lot of like, like, occult stuff in there too. Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you acknowledge that because it's one
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: of those things that I think people, they get weirded
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: out by the idea when I say, yeah, there's a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: lot of Satan stuff. I'm not saying like literal demons
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: talking to women, but, but they get there. There's a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: lot of like actual occult roots in feminism, you know? So,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and whether you believe it or not, doesn't matter. You
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: can see it on, on Tik TOK. There's like a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: whole part of Tik TOK called witch talk. And it's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: all women that claim to be witches. And they're basically,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know, they're just feminists. Like they're just, feminism is witches.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: It's witchcraft, it's the same thing. And that's all it is.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: They're using words of rhetoric to like, you know, control reality.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And that's what it is. That's what it is to them.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's like some of the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: stuff we talk about. We have also been looking at
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the connection between feminist ideology and the economic system, the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: current economic system where we got rid of the gold
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: standard and we're basically like, you know, playing with funny
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: money and how that relates to feminism as well, which
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Alison has done a lot of work on and she
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: is finding there is, because ultimately there are like giant
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: financial organizations that are benefiting from the existence of feminism
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: as an ideology because it's a big moneymaker for them. So, Yeah,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and of course it comes at the expense of everybody else,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: including the people who are foolish enough to go along
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: with it. So yeah, those are the kinds of things
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: we talk about. We also, just for fun, we take
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: the time to respond to the downstream effects of it,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: like all of the countless articles, op-eds, editorial pieces that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: are written about it that are constantly trying to keep
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: people in a state of high tension, like anxiety around
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the world, like especially with women. I did a video
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: recently about how we've been living through one moral panic
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: after another since like, you know, the early 2010s. I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: know it's been going on before that, but like after
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: social media, there was like a real serious vehicle to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: push it through. And it's just been one thing after another,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: after another to throw women into an absolute paranoid, schizophrenic
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: meltdown of like worrying about whatever the new cause is
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: that they have to support. And it just shows like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the way that people can, women in particular, can be
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: manipulated by media and stuff because they're looking for acceptance.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: They're looking to feel like they fit in. So they
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: basically need to figure out what are the current talking
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: points I have to pair it because I want to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: fit in. And the reason why is because evolutionarily speaking,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I believe that if women didn't do that, like if
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: you're a woman who pushed against the grain, then it
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: was like social death because you could be ostracized by
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the other women in your community because So they were like, well,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: let me just see what everybody else is doing and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. That's why women intend to be more agreeable.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I also did a video about agreeableness in general and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: why we need more disagreeableness. My wife wrote the article
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: on it actually, and I just took it and sort
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, reworded some things and I put
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: it on my channel because I thought this was so good.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: And it's stuff that, you know, we, my wife and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I talk about these things all the time. So, you know,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: sometimes I just have to share some of the stuff
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: that we've uncovered. Cause I like to look at, It's
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: easy to look at feminism as an ideology, which I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: have no problem with doing. I've done stuff on the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: history of it and all the people involved with it,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: going back to Mary Wollstonecraft and even before that, proto-feminists.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: But also, I like to think about what are some
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: things that we could use that are, I don't know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: like on a level deeper than that, that can help
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: us to resist these things and to appropriately fight back
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: against these things and also give people permission to do that.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So by saying, look, we should be able to be disagreeable.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: We should not allow people to control us with allegations
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: of bigotry, because this is like a very useful tool, right?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: They call you a misogynist so they can shut you up,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: not because they actually believe you're a misogynist. And in
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: many cases, they'll call you a bigot so that they
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: can justify your death. which we have also seen with
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: some assassinations that have happened. And so I have to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: basically be like, well, look, you guys have to understand
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: that if you spend time trying to tell people why
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: you're not a bigot, you're wasting your breath because that's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: not why they called you that. And it's better to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: just say, okay, then I guess I am. Or one better,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: you explain why that doesn't even exist. But that's just,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: that's some of the stuff that we and I have
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  Speaker 1: been doing as well.
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  Speaker 2: So, well, that sounds very interesting. That's stuff that I,
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  Speaker 2: I probably should tune into you. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Cause it's pretty rambly, but yeah, you're welcome to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to probably, I'm going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a great discussion. I really am
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  Speaker 2: glad that you, you had me on.
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  Speaker 1: It was really, yeah, no, thanks for coming on. Let
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: me take a couple of super chats and messages and
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  Speaker 1: then we'll go from there. So first of all, I
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: think I saw, I may have missed it already. Um, but, uh,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I did get a, uh, rumble rant from Nova fan 21.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Nova fan. He gave us a dollar and said,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: question for male space. What are your thoughts on the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: thesis that men need to be taxed more since women
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: are having fewer babies than women from the past generations?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I'm is that for, let's say some type of.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Uh, like government benefit or, or, um, wage redistribution.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not into that.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm also, if also that, let's say, was one
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  Speaker 3: of these schemes to increase the birth rate, if it
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: relates to that, I'm totally against it because so far,
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  Speaker 3: every country in the modern day who has tried to
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  Speaker 3: incentivize childbirths has not done that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. I think the idea that it's because, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, people are not like we're not making
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  Speaker 1: enough money. I think that's an excuse. I think poor
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: people have lots of kids and you can like live
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: that way, but it is an excuse mostly used by
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  Speaker 1: women so that they don't have to, so don't have
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: to have kids. At Natalie Brookie, Catherine, and it goes on,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: got a member. So thank you for becoming a member.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Albatross gave us $ 2 and said, how they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: expect to get commitment from hookup. I think he means
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to say, how do women expect to get a commitment
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: from a hookup? Well, I think that they think that
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  Speaker 1: they are really good with the man that he will
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: leave the other girls and stay with her. You know
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: what it is? It's just the same thing as male
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: orbiters that are trying to stick around when a woman
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: is dating other men in the hopes that she'll eventually
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: notice him in a romantic way and like start a relationship.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: But these women, they give up the cookie and they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: expect that it's going to happen. And it doesn't, it's
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the same problem. Right. Right. Really.
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  Speaker 2: That is an issue.
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  Speaker 3: And I do believe that people get hurt from these hookups.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Some people don't get hurt from hookups, but some people do.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: And even there are men who feel guilty after hookups
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: because they're they have led women on, but like you're.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Saying that it probably is a way.
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  Speaker 3: And for some women, probably, you know, the belief is that,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: you know, if you do this, then the man will
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: be more interested by doing that. But this really benefits women.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: no one in the long run, but I also, I'm
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: going to be realistic here. Sometimes two people are on
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: a date or a third date or whatever, and just
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: nature takes over and there's no thought.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Behind it at all. And it just happens. That's how
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: something happened as well.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that everybody who's done that is
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: a bad person or is trying to, let's say, you know,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: trick or manipulate the other person.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: It could be that sometimes. And sometimes it just happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, for sure. I've been there.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Well, Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, but yeah. So thank you for the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: super chats. I think that's all we have. Thank you
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: to Bradley from a male space. There's a link to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the YouTube channel in the description. Go check it out.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Check out the mansplainers. I watched a few over the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: weekend just to bone up on what you guys are doing.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: And I love the work. I think it's really great.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Especially that last one where you spoke to, I forget
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: her name, but it was about Western civilization stuff. And yeah, Where,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a lot of evil psych stuff
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: in there as well. But very, very interesting stuff. So, yeah, thanks, Bradley,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Thank you guys for joining us.
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• 1:10:51
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• 1:10:53
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