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Chuck & Buck 12-9 Hour 2: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell, CFP rage and memorandums of misunderstanding. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Then the shotgun formation.
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Speaker 2: Hurts looks over the defense shotgun snap five man Rush
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Speaker 2: blipses on pass. It's intercepting at the middle of the
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Speaker 2: twenty coming to the middle side twenty five. Then the
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Speaker 2: players hit the ball shot three. Hurts picked it up.
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Speaker 2: He loses the ball. The ball's rolling here sideline recovered
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Speaker 2: at the forty five. The Chargers have gotten the ball,
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Speaker 2: stopping the dry by Philadelphia. I think everybody touched that
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Speaker 2: ball on that play, bouncing from one player to the.
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Speaker 3: Nett A man, when you have a play as crazy
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Speaker 3: as that, you want Kevin Harlan on the call for sure. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Westwood one, Kevin Harlan. Of course he does that crazy
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Speaker 3: ass play Justice. We've never seen a play like that.
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Speaker 3: Just like Tim Kirk, he love spints.
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Speaker 4: You never know.
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Speaker 5: You gotta see.
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Speaker 1: That was nuts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Jalen ERTs through an interception and fumbled the ball
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Speaker 3: on the same play. I'm to leave it right there.
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Speaker 3: If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look
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Speaker 3: it up. Think I'm lying. He threw an interception fumble
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Speaker 3: the ball on the exact same play. The Philadelphia Eagles
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Speaker 3: lose again to the Los Angeles Chargers. That's where our
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Speaker 3: frost brewed course liked Choose Chill headlines will begin on
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Speaker 3: Monday Night. Football twenty two to nineteen was the final score.
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Speaker 3: Eagles aren't very good. They haven't been good all season long.
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Speaker 3: They're eight and five and still have a very good
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Speaker 3: chance of making the playoffs. But if you want to
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Speaker 3: talk about a team that won the championship and then
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Speaker 3: let everything else get in the way, including the clubhouse
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Speaker 3: issues that they had, that seems like they have some
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Speaker 3: coaching issues. They're not playing well offensively, defense have been
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Speaker 3: pretty good all season long, but they just don't look
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Speaker 3: like a team. They do not look better than the
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Speaker 3: Cowboys right now.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would probably go with that. I mean, offensively,
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Speaker 6: they've been scuffling all year long. Defensively they play well,
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Speaker 6: and they still seem dangerous. Even saw Spurts last night
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Speaker 6: when Sakwan would get rolling, and yet Jalen Hurts had
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Speaker 6: two interceptions.
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Speaker 1: Going to the game. He threw four last night.
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Speaker 6: Not even that's not even a fumble fumble after an interception.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, college football, Rick new Isiel to the Koogs. Rumors
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Speaker 3: are all over the place. We're actually going to ask
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Speaker 3: him about it today, That's right. He joins us live
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Speaker 3: at nine o'clock, so we'll get it straight from the
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Speaker 3: horse's mouth. The Huskies will play in the LA Ball
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Speaker 3: It's the first bowl game of bowl season. It's this Saturday,
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Speaker 3: so just rip that band aid off. College football playoff
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Speaker 3: won't start until the nineteenth of December. It's Army Navy Week.
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Speaker 3: Maybe a topic that'll come up with our next guest.
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Speaker 3: Also this Saturday, the Heisman Trophy will be announced. We
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Speaker 3: know the finalist Julian Sayan of Ohio State, Diego Pavia,
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Speaker 3: the quarterback at Vanderbilt, Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love,
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Speaker 3: and the favorite, Fernando Mendoza, quarterback of the Indiana Hoosiers.
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Speaker 3: The crack and lose again. They've lost six straight games.
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Speaker 3: They lost the wild last night by a final score
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Speaker 3: of four to one. Here on a Craken Ticket Tuesday, ever,
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Speaker 3: it fits you will join us to discuss their woes
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Speaker 3: at eight thirty today. And the Major League Baseball Winter
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Speaker 3: Meetings are ongoing. No activity I mean, I mean they've
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Speaker 3: been a couple of minor pitching signings that have taken place,
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Speaker 3: but for the most part, squad Dooche has occurred down
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Speaker 3: there in Orlando Magic Kingdom, my sweet ass. So we'll
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Speaker 3: see if it starts to pop here today as the
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Speaker 3: Winter Meetings continue in Florida, and it's about time we
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Speaker 3: had a chance to chat with Greg Bell and we
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Speaker 3: have oh so much to discuss, including the big headline
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Speaker 3: of the day. Are the Seahawks really going to face
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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers this Sunday? That's right, I'm not making that up.
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Speaker 3: It's a possibility. Let's talk to Greg Bell with.
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Speaker 1: The bell tolls.
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Speaker 3: Now with what man, Dudes, here's Greg Bell with Chuck
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Speaker 3: and but Beat.
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Speaker 4: Maybe Yeah, I can't wait, you're going yes, oh yes,
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Speaker 4: it's been McIntyre and I are flying out to Thursday morning,
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Speaker 4: two days and we'll be on the air Friday from
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Speaker 4: one and I think it's noon until I don't even
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Speaker 4: know Friday afternoon for three hours. Guest galore, lots of
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Speaker 4: Army Navy talks, great in Baltimore, from the inner Harbor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, love that for you. How do you feel about
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Speaker 3: a win.
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Speaker 4: Tough this year? Yeah you had a good season. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: maybe nine and three and Army six and six snuck.
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Speaker 1: Into a bowl game.
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Speaker 4: But there the old cliche, throw out the records. I
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Speaker 4: think I've told you my sophomore year, we were seven
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Speaker 4: and three and maybe was zero to ten in the meadowlands.
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Speaker 4: It was like four below zero wins everywhere, and some
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Speaker 4: kicker trotted out in the wind and kicked a forty
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Speaker 4: yard field goal for Navy and beat.
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Speaker 1: Us on the last play.
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Speaker 4: It was gross four and ten Navy beat US. So
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Speaker 4: I think I've mentioned when you go around the Army,
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Speaker 4: when you're in the Army, the West Point graduates and
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Speaker 4: you see him at events across the world. When they
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Speaker 4: say hi to him and you introduce yourself as an
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Speaker 4: Army or West Point graduate, they just say, what was
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Speaker 4: your record against Navy? Not that they didn't, you know,
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Speaker 4: only only a certain number of people played football. I
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Speaker 4: didn't play on the Army football team. Yet that record
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Speaker 4: stays with you. I was two and two, two.
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Speaker 3: And two, all right, that stays with it?
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Speaker 4: All right?
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Speaker 3: Well, uh, you know it's gonna be fun, and we
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Speaker 3: got the right people on the job, so excited that
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Speaker 3: you get to go check this out. All right, Well,
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Speaker 3: let's dive into this. We didn't get to chat with
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Speaker 3: you about the game on Sunday, but here we are
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and there's already something far more interesting. What
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Speaker 3: was your reaction when you heard the Philip Rivers could
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Speaker 3: be the colts next quarterback story yesterday?
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Speaker 4: Well, I laughed, he's yesterday. It was forty fourth birthday,
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Speaker 4: and I thought immediately when I was forty four, which
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Speaker 4: is now eleven years ago, I couldn't even think of
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Speaker 4: playing in a Turkey Bowl Thanksgiving game with my friends,
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Speaker 4: let alone an NFL game. The other thing that's funny
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Speaker 4: about this is, as you probably have mentioned, he's a
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Speaker 4: semifinalist to be inducted in the Canton next summer to
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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. He hasn't played since twenty twenty.
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Speaker 4: He's a semifinalist on the ballot for twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 4: and if he gets into a game, if they do
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Speaker 4: sign him and he plays this year, the Hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame is going to rip his He can't get inducted
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Speaker 4: until five years from now. They're going to pull his ballot,
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Speaker 4: they will pull his candidacy and he won't get inducted
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Speaker 4: next summer. Well, let's just be straight. Even if he does.
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Speaker 4: If the tryout goes visit goes great. In Indianapolis today
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Speaker 4: and he signed to the practice squad, it would defy
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Speaker 4: logic that he plays Sunday in Seattle, because one, he's
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Speaker 4: been on his couch for five years. But two, you
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Speaker 4: just can't roll into an NFL headquarters on a Tuesday
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Speaker 4: without five years of knowledge about anything they do. And
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Speaker 4: this is a brand new system compared to the one
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Speaker 4: River's ended his career in Indianapolis with the Stanstik and there,
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Speaker 4: I can't fathom that he would be spun up enough
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Speaker 4: on what they want to do to play. Having said that,
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Speaker 4: they are in dire straits a quarterback. Obviously, with the
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Speaker 4: Coles effector even talking to him, it looked like Riley
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Speaker 4: Leonard was going to be the quarterback. Now that Daniel
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Speaker 4: Jones says the Achilles injury Leonard finished up against the
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Speaker 4: Jacksonville the other day, but not Riley Leonard's hurt.
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Speaker 1: Two.
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Speaker 4: So britt Rippon Shado Park High School, Spokane is the
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Speaker 4: practice squad quarterback. So really what the culture looking at is,
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Speaker 4: if Riley Leonard can't play the rookie from Notre Dame,
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Speaker 4: do they just do we bring Philip Rivers out of
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Speaker 4: five years of retirement or do we go with Brett Rippon.
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Speaker 4: Either way, obviously it's advantage Seahawks and so there.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they seem to figure out a way to
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Speaker 6: play some backup quarterbacks. It seems like every single year.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it would be it would be unusual to
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Speaker 6: play one that was not hasn't even been in the
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Speaker 6: league for five years.
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Speaker 1: That would be odd.
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Speaker 6: And you're right, I don't think it's probably likely that
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Speaker 6: he would be ready to go. And yet I think
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Speaker 6: that they already did the workout last night and that
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Speaker 6: now they're just discussing whether and how they're going to
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Speaker 6: move forward with the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Regardless, we shall see.
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Speaker 6: I would imagine somebody that knows the system, like ripping
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Speaker 6: like you were talking about. So but besides that, Okay,
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Speaker 6: so if they come in here and they're gone, their
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Speaker 6: second string quarterback in Riley Leonard that's injured, if he
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Speaker 6: is his knees, okay to go, or it's some guy
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Speaker 6: off the practice squad, I mean, is there just you
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Speaker 6: go out there and you say, we're just gonna shut
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Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor down and we're not gonna worry about anything else.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this would be the fourth consecutive game that they
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Speaker 4: have faced either a rookie or backup quarterback. That's cam
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Speaker 4: Ward in Tennessee. Then they had brand new rookie Max Brosmer,
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Speaker 4: first time ever starting from Minnesota. Then Kirk Cousins, who
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Speaker 4: is of course not a rookie, but he is a backup.
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Speaker 4: He's not Michael Michael Pennix in Atlanta. And now it
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Speaker 4: would be whoever, Bradley Leonard or Brett Rippen. And I
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Speaker 4: asked Mike McDonald about that yesterday. I said, what is
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Speaker 4: it about your defense that you were trying to put
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Speaker 4: the quarterback in a quantity? What are you trying to
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Speaker 4: do to a quarterback, whether it's experienced or rookie. And
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Speaker 4: he knew where I was headed with that, and so
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Speaker 4: he just said, well, we just do our thing and
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Speaker 4: our process and blah blah blah. But suffice to say
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Speaker 4: that they're catching breaks here. If they're playing a forty
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Speaker 4: four year old five years of retirement, they've caught a
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Speaker 4: massive break. And now before Daniel Jones got hurt. The
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Speaker 4: Colts were in trouble. They've lost four out of five.
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Speaker 4: They had fallen off a cliff offensively. Even when Jones
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Speaker 4: was healthy. Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve as the backup.
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Speaker 4: He's not an option either, the top draft pick from
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Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. So they're already talking about
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Speaker 4: the season being over, even though it's still just eight
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Speaker 4: and five in Indianapolis. So it wasn't they were already
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Speaker 4: going to catch a break here in this one. Now
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Speaker 4: they're not catching a break on Thursday, four days after
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Speaker 4: this game, when they play the Rams. But no matter
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Speaker 4: how the Colts quarterback situation shakes out on Sunday, it
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Speaker 4: would be a massive disappointment at the Seahorks on eleven
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Speaker 4: and three heading into that Rams game on next Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said all last week, this will be the
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Speaker 3: last game that you probably should have handle with ease,
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Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden, you're facing another one
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Speaker 3: in Indianapolis, a struggling team that maybe down to the
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Speaker 3: practice squad quarterback starting against you. So it should be
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Speaker 3: another game that falls right into the Seahawks lap. Greg
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Speaker 3: Bell is with US our Seahawks insider from the News Tribune.
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Speaker 3: You can follow him at email Seattle, on Twitter, and
11:21
Speaker 3: of course, follow his complete coverage of the Seahawks at
11:24
Speaker 3: the Newstribune dot com. On the Seahawks front, Jalen Sundell
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Speaker 3: has got his windows started to return. How quickly do
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Speaker 3: you think it'll take before he's actually playing again.
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Speaker 4: Well, they haven't officially done that because they don't have
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Speaker 4: to till Wednesday when they actually have a practice, So
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Speaker 4: I'm expecting them that'll be the start of the twenty
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Speaker 4: one days. I don't think it's going to take long.
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Speaker 4: And talking to people in the building, it sounds like
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Speaker 4: Sundell has been healthy for a week or so and
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Speaker 4: if they would have been able to, they would have
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Speaker 4: had him return to practice last week. The rules where
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Speaker 4: we had to wait four weeks, So here we go.
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Speaker 4: I asked again yesterday to McDonald he's going to play
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Speaker 4: garter center, and he wouldn't tell me. Of course, he
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Speaker 4: did say that Anthony Bradford is playing the best he's
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Speaker 4: ever put he's played for him. He said that Bradford
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Speaker 4: was their highest rated offensive lineman in Atlanta, and he
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Speaker 4: said his confidence is he doesn't think Bradford's confidence has
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Speaker 4: ever been higher in his career than it is right now.
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Speaker 4: He said that he has a really good punch, in
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Speaker 4: particular in pass protection on the three touchdown passes by
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Speaker 4: the Saar Scott in the second half from Sam Donald.
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Speaker 4: Two of the three really good pass protection sets by Bradford.
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Speaker 4: One of them he double teamed with over Timmy the center,
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Speaker 4: and they allowed the corner of the safety up the middle,
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Speaker 4: just the defensive back blitz a wide open on free blitz,
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Speaker 4: but Donald got away and threw the touchdown pass the
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Speaker 4: Cooper Cup who was all as a safety valve. So
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Speaker 4: McDonald said, well, there's still some reps that our negatives
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Speaker 4: and the d like back, but that's true for everybody
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Speaker 4: on the offensive line, and we really like Anthony River's plan.
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Speaker 4: So he doesn't make it sound like he's gonna bench
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Speaker 4: Bradford five days after saying that. If you take McDonald
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Speaker 4: at his word and then stuff like that, he's been
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Speaker 4: pretty accurate about that, it would appear Sundell will come
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Speaker 4: back to center and over with Timmy will move back
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Speaker 4: to being a backup.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I guess I'm not gonna sit and act
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Speaker 6: like I know more than the coach, and it just man,
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Speaker 6: it just seems like there's times that one you just
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Speaker 6: talked about turned into a touchdown, and yet there's a
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Speaker 6: lot of times you let a guy go run Scott
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Speaker 6: free at your quarterback and it turns into an interception
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Speaker 6: or a fumble.
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Speaker 1: But it is what it is.
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Speaker 6: I mean, pass blocking wise, there that I've heard some
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Speaker 6: other people online talking about how he's improving.
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Speaker 1: Is he good at run blocking? Am I missing something?
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Speaker 4: There?
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Speaker 1: Is he good at? But run blocking? Is that something
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Speaker 1: he's improving at as well? Well?
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Speaker 4: Run blocking was his strength coming into the season. The
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Speaker 4: reason why he got the one of the reasons he
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Speaker 4: got the job is he's kind of a mall or
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Speaker 4: master guy in run blocking and pass blocking was what
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Speaker 4: he was struggling at in his first couple of years
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Speaker 4: in the league, and so they've kind of had that
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Speaker 4: in the back pocket. While he can run block and
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Speaker 4: that he has the entire offensive line frankly has had
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Speaker 4: trouble run blocking. In the last month, Kenneth Walker has
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Speaker 4: some of the most majestic minus one yard runs in
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Speaker 4: the history of the NFL. In Atlanta was the same thing.
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Speaker 4: There were three or four dudes waiting on him before
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Speaker 4: he got the handoff, and he still would get a
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Speaker 4: one yard or no gain or two yards he could have.
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Speaker 4: Walker was probably not real thrilled with opportunities he got
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Speaker 4: to carry the ball in Atlanta, because again, every one
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Speaker 4: of these games are his last auditions to get a
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Speaker 4: new contract next year. I can only imagine him thinking,
14:45
Speaker 4: come on, I'm playing for my life football career and
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Speaker 4: try to get a new contract, and I've got four
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Speaker 4: guys waiting on me as I get the ball in
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Speaker 4: the backfield. So the entire offensive line has struggled in
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Speaker 4: there run blocking the last four weeks, including Bradford. The
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Speaker 4: bottom line is they obviously don't think they've got anybody
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Speaker 4: better than Bradford. Christian Haynes has been sitting there as
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Speaker 4: a backup for two seasons now and he hasn't won
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Speaker 4: the job. And if they thought that Sundell was better
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Speaker 4: than Bradford, then they would put him in. But then
15:17
Speaker 4: they I think they believe Sundell is better than Oloo
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Speaker 4: Tim at center. So it's I hate to say it's
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Speaker 4: by default, but they're going to go with the best
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Speaker 4: Bradford they can have because I think He's the better
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Speaker 4: option of anything they happen right guard, right now.
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Speaker 3: Greg Bell is what us our Seahawks insider A fresh
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Speaker 3: off the plane from Atlanta, Georgia, and so we had
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Speaker 3: a lot to discuss today with the old man Rivers
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Speaker 3: and Jalen Sundell being activated. All we got time is
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Speaker 3: just to get your take What was your big takeaway
15:44
Speaker 3: as you're flying home from Georgia. Long flight? What was
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Speaker 3: the one takeaway that you grabbed from a Seahawks thirty
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Speaker 3: seven to nine went over the Falcon Sunday.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a long flight, six hours, a long way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really do.
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Speaker 4: Once you know the two best players I used to
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Speaker 4: say the best player in the team was Devin Witherspoon, Right,
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Speaker 4: the two best players in the team are Devin Witherspoon
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Speaker 4: and Nick Eun Worry, And they both dominated the game.
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Speaker 4: Emon Worry after the game. The stuff I was getting
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Speaker 4: from people, Jackson Spin and Jigbis says, I tell him
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Speaker 4: all the time that he can be a legend. And
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Speaker 4: Witherspoon is. Witherspoon and his defensive court Aiden Dirty both
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Speaker 4: said there's nothing he can't do. The guys played ten
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Speaker 4: games in the league and they're already talking like legend
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Speaker 4: and there's nothing special. He just took over the game
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Speaker 4: the other day. There are eleven defensive statistics officially on
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Speaker 4: the in the NFL Game Statistic Book, the defensive player
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Speaker 4: can have eleven stats across the board. Sacks, tackle for losses,
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Speaker 4: forced fumbles, interceptions, tackles, assists, solo as a supposed safety,
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Speaker 4: he's not a safety. He's a linebacker. He's a defensive end.
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Speaker 4: He's an side outside linebacker, he's a cover slot corner.
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Speaker 4: He's everything. He had nine of the eleven statistics you
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Speaker 4: can have a defensive player. The only thing he didn't
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Speaker 4: have was a forced fumble thumbover recovery and Devin Witherspon
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Speaker 4: had that instead. Those two guys, because they can play
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Speaker 4: inside outside, near the line of scrimmage, out, they tackled
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Speaker 4: in the run game. Those two guys can win a
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Speaker 4: game for you, and they did against Atlanta. It's rare
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Speaker 4: to say that two defensive backs, and again I don't
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Speaker 4: even I hesitate to call even worried defensive back. It's
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Speaker 4: rare to say. And my very few teams in the
17:36
Speaker 4: NFL can say two defensive backs won us a game.
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Speaker 4: Two defensive backs won that game. Even Wary blocked a
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Speaker 4: field goal that the Falcons were trying to go in
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Speaker 4: for the go ahead scorer in this first half, and
17:47
Speaker 4: then Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return actually woke them up. It
17:50
Speaker 4: was a six to sixth flog. It's easy to forget
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Speaker 4: about that, but at the start of the third quarter
17:55
Speaker 4: they were not real thrilled with how that the whole
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Speaker 4: day was going, especially offensively. I would I am concerned
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Speaker 4: if I'm a Seahawk about how much Sam Donald turns
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Speaker 4: the ball over. I know it's not fashionable if you're
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Speaker 4: a Seahawks fan to say, well, they won thirty seven
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Speaker 4: to nine, and our quarterback through three touchdowns in the
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Speaker 4: second half, he was twenty or thirty for two hundred
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Speaker 4: and forty eight yards. He actually had more yards than
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Speaker 4: he averages per game. A guy who's been leading the
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Speaker 4: league in the yards per attempt all season, yet he
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Speaker 4: turned it over again. And he leads the league with
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Speaker 4: sixteen turnovers. He has the most turnovers in the sport.
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Speaker 4: And I don't care how good Witherspoon and Emon Worri are.
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Speaker 4: If you turn the ball over against the Rams of
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Speaker 4: forty nine ers, and in the playoffs you're out done.
18:37
Speaker 4: And we saw it when the Seahawks went down to
18:39
Speaker 4: Englewood four interceptions a game they should have won. The
18:42
Speaker 4: defense only gave up one true touchdown drive they lost
18:45
Speaker 4: twenty one nineteen because of four interceptions by Sam Donald.
18:49
Speaker 4: He has a chance, if he doesn't fix the turnovers,
18:52
Speaker 4: to subvert the whole thing. And that's having said how
18:55
Speaker 4: great he has been all season without the turnover. You
18:58
Speaker 4: take away the turnovers, which is not easy. And he's
19:00
Speaker 4: had a great season, but you cannot win in the
19:04
Speaker 4: playoffs and go where you want to go turning the
19:06
Speaker 4: ball over sixteen times in thirteen games. And to me,
19:10
Speaker 4: that is where this season is boiled down to. They
19:12
Speaker 4: have a championship super Bowl defense with a quarterback who's
19:15
Speaker 4: giving it away more than anybody in the league, and
19:17
Speaker 4: they got to rectify that.
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Speaker 3: Well, welcome back, thank you very much, great stuff as always.
19:22
Speaker 3: Then we'll chat again.
19:23
Speaker 4: Tomorrow, Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 3: action never stops. I don't know if this college football
20:39
Speaker 3: rect reaction is ever going to stop to the college
20:43
Speaker 3: football playoff. And look, I personally, I kind of like
20:47
Speaker 3: I like the debate. I know college football likes the debate.
20:49
Speaker 3: It stirs up interest in college football. This is one
20:52
Speaker 3: of the things from a marketing standpoint that they've leaned
20:55
Speaker 3: on to try to promote their popularity is having people
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Speaker 3: rage on one end and disagree with this and disagree
21:03
Speaker 3: with that, and yet they still use whatever flawed system
21:06
Speaker 3: that they have to determine a national champion, and we
21:09
Speaker 3: tip our cap to that national champion and recognize them
21:12
Speaker 3: as such forever. So I kind of like that debate.
21:16
Speaker 3: Number One, You and I disagreed a little bit on
21:19
Speaker 3: who should have got in. I think Notre Dame should
21:21
Speaker 3: have got in. I think Miami should have gotten in,
21:23
Speaker 3: and I think that Alabama should be the team sitting out.
21:27
Speaker 3: But I will just say this as we have the
21:29
Speaker 3: conversation now forty eight hours removed from the selection announcement.
21:33
Speaker 3: I mean, it feels to me like there's more rage
21:36
Speaker 3: over this than there has ever been when it comes
21:40
Speaker 3: to the process that they use for determining a national champion.
21:44
Speaker 3: And I just think it's ridiculous. I mean, Notre Dame, Alabama,
21:48
Speaker 3: and Miami all had very similar resumes and the eleventh
21:55
Speaker 3: ranked team in the country didn't make the tournament. I mean,
21:59
Speaker 3: long did we live with a system where they voted
22:03
Speaker 3: for the number one team at the end of the
22:05
Speaker 3: year wasn't even determined on the field. And then it
22:08
Speaker 3: went to a two team playoff, and in that scenario,
22:12
Speaker 3: Ohio State had already be out. They lost Indiana, it
22:15
Speaker 3: would be Indiana versus Georgia for the national championship. I
22:18
Speaker 3: realized Ohio State's ranked number two, but there's no way
22:20
Speaker 3: they would have put Indiana and Ohio State right back
22:23
Speaker 3: into the same game, right, So that would be it.
22:27
Speaker 3: So the third team, Ohio State would be on the
22:29
Speaker 3: outside looking in. Then they went to a four team format,
22:31
Speaker 3: and that case, Oregon is on the outside looking in
22:35
Speaker 3: and doesn't get a shot at a national championship. We've
22:38
Speaker 3: left the eleventh ranked team in the country out, all
22:41
Speaker 3: of them with at least two losses, one of them
22:44
Speaker 3: with three losses. So even though I would have put
22:47
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in there, and I understand why Notre Dame
22:50
Speaker 3: and their fan base and in the program and Marcus
22:53
Speaker 3: Freeman are all hurt and they feel like they got misled,
22:56
Speaker 3: which they did, they didn't get misled. Still, we have
22:59
Speaker 3: such such a better system now for determining the national champion.
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Speaker 3: I don't know why we're not celebrating the actual tournament
23:07
Speaker 3: now versus being angrier than ever before about who got
23:11
Speaker 3: left on the outside looking in.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean I guess if you're comparing it
23:14
Speaker 6: to the anger now versus before, yeah, I mean, it's silly.
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Speaker 6: This is the best situation we've had so far, just
23:23
Speaker 6: simply by letting twelve teams in the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Now.
23:26
Speaker 3: Years ago, Florida State was undefeated and didn't make the tournament.
23:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well years ago they were pretty upset.
23:32
Speaker 1: They were pretty mad about it.
23:34
Speaker 6: And because it was like, really, because our quarterbacks hurt,
23:37
Speaker 6: you're not going to let us in.
23:38
Speaker 1: We just don't.
23:38
Speaker 6: We haven't lost. I mean, you're just gonna punish us
23:41
Speaker 6: because of somebody getting hurt. That doesn't make any sense.
23:44
Speaker 6: So you know, we're in a way better place. That
23:46
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that there's not room for discussion, and I'm
23:49
Speaker 6: kind of down for the discussion once it gets to
23:51
Speaker 6: okay at the end of this thing, Now, explain where
23:54
Speaker 6: you're coming from. It's the I think the anger comes
23:58
Speaker 6: from the misleading part, Like you're talking about the thing,
24:03
Speaker 6: the hypocrisy that comes into account there, the fact that
24:06
Speaker 6: we know that the SEC and the ESPN are in
24:09
Speaker 6: bed together. I mean, that's there, that's their conference, and
24:12
Speaker 6: I think there.
24:12
Speaker 3: Is a political agenda to try to get Notre Dame
24:15
Speaker 3: into a conference, which I'm all for and I'm tired
24:17
Speaker 3: of your arrogance, Notre Dame, of not being in a conference.
24:20
Speaker 3: But I think there was a little bit of a
24:21
Speaker 3: message sent here, get in a conference. This is going
24:24
Speaker 3: to happen to you every year.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, except that it's not because they have a memorandum,
24:28
Speaker 7: a memorandum mirandum of understanding that starts next year. If
24:32
Speaker 7: they're in the top twelve, they're automatically in, and then
24:36
Speaker 7: after that if they're in the top thirteen.
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Speaker 8: That's what their ad said yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Oh I did not know that. That does not make
24:42
Speaker 3: any sense at all.
24:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how you get to have that.
24:44
Speaker 1: I mean, good luck with that.
24:46
Speaker 3: I don't think that's true, well said, Yeah.
24:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they're going to.
24:51
Speaker 6: Keep tweaking the rules. And I think it's fine to me.
24:53
Speaker 6: It's the Okay. Notre Dame probably has the biggest right
24:57
Speaker 6: to be upset or angry because of the fact that
24:59
Speaker 6: up until the final poll you were you were ahead,
25:03
Speaker 6: you look like you were going to get in there
25:06
Speaker 6: out and then it's yeah, you can't be mad at
25:08
Speaker 6: the rules being the JAMU and and Tulane get in.
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Speaker 1: That's just the rule, that's just the rules.
25:14
Speaker 6: But you can be upset with Alabama not moving a
25:17
Speaker 6: spot after getting whooped in a conference championship game. At
25:20
Speaker 6: the same time, Alabama would be like, well, you can't
25:22
Speaker 6: punish us for making it to the championship game.
25:26
Speaker 1: It's just all it is.
25:27
Speaker 3: I can, though, I can. I think there is an argument.
25:30
Speaker 3: You did earn the right to be in the conference
25:33
Speaker 3: championship game by a tiebreaker system, and then you had
25:37
Speaker 3: in your hands the chance to punch your ticket. Notre
25:41
Speaker 3: Dame didn't get that chance. Now that's part they're part
25:44
Speaker 3: to blame for that. Miami didn't get that chance. Why
25:48
Speaker 3: isn't Duke in If we're just gonna say no, no, no,
25:51
Speaker 3: by the strict rules of winning your conference. Duke won
25:56
Speaker 3: the conference, but we made determinations that Duke didn't do
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Speaker 3: enough to get in. I mean, Alabama's got a loss
26:03
Speaker 3: to Florida State by fourteen points, a home loss to Oklahoma,
26:07
Speaker 3: and their big win over Georgia just got wiped out
26:11
Speaker 3: by their big lopsided loss to Georgia. So I think
26:16
Speaker 3: if Georgia loses that game, Georgia's in my In my opinion,
26:21
Speaker 3: george is in Butre but Bama. The committee had just
26:26
Speaker 3: said two weeks ago they were below Notre Dame, and
26:30
Speaker 3: then they almost got beat by Auburn and moved ahead
26:32
Speaker 3: of them. So to me, you by a series of
26:38
Speaker 3: tie breakers, you had the same record in conferences Ole
26:41
Speaker 3: Miss Texas, A and M and Georgia, but by a
26:44
Speaker 3: series of tie breakers you ended up in the conference
26:47
Speaker 3: championship game. You got the chance to guarantee your spot
26:51
Speaker 3: and then blew it. To me, I think it doesn't
26:55
Speaker 3: hurt you as like Georgia. It wouldn't have hurt them
26:58
Speaker 3: so much that they fall out. Well when you already
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Speaker 3: have a resume that the committee announced to the world
27:04
Speaker 3: is on par with Notre Dames in Miami's and you
27:08
Speaker 3: didn't do anything to improve upon that over the last
27:10
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, barely beating Auburn, losing blopsided to Georgia.
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Speaker 3: To me, that's enough of a difference to pop you
27:19
Speaker 3: out and put Notre Dame in Miami. Both in I.
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Speaker 6: See, I wouldn't put I don't think Miami having lost
27:24
Speaker 6: to SMU and Louisville is better as far as their
27:29
Speaker 6: resume goes. All their wins included, which were less than
27:33
Speaker 6: what Oklahoma's wins were included, are worse than Alabama's one
27:38
Speaker 6: bad loss to FSU to start the year, and then
27:42
Speaker 6: they lose to an Oklahoma who's a top ten team
27:44
Speaker 6: in the country, and then losing the conference championship game
27:47
Speaker 6: to me, to me, Miami's resume is not as good
27:53
Speaker 6: as Alabama's resume, even though they have one fewer loss.
27:56
Speaker 6: Now that's I mean to some degree, that's where you
27:59
Speaker 6: start getting into splitting hairs where it's like, yeah, no
28:02
Speaker 6: matter how far you string this thing out, you're gonna
28:04
Speaker 6: probably have somebody that's upset. But to me, it's notre
28:07
Speaker 6: name has a reason to be upset BYU has a
28:10
Speaker 6: better strength to schedule, had a better strength of record.
28:12
Speaker 6: Like there's four or five different metrics that the YEP
28:17
Speaker 6: even though they.
28:18
Speaker 3: Lost their conference championship game, which is not supposed to
28:21
Speaker 3: be held against them.
28:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they only lost two games the entire season
28:24
Speaker 6: against the number four ranked team in the country. Now,
28:27
Speaker 6: all that that proves is you're just not as good
28:28
Speaker 6: as Texas Tech. That doesn't prove that you're not good
28:31
Speaker 6: enough to compete against the other people that are in
28:33
Speaker 6: And then Texas, of all people, Texas gets there, they're
28:37
Speaker 6: nine and two. They would have been ten and two
28:40
Speaker 6: and probably sitting there, you know, with an opportunity to
28:44
Speaker 6: be in this whole thing had they not went and
28:45
Speaker 6: played Ohio State in the first game of the season.
28:48
Speaker 6: They're getting punished and there they.
28:50
Speaker 3: Didn't start all And that goes back to my original statement,
28:53
Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna sit here, and I mean, yes,
28:56
Speaker 3: there are things to debate, and I can be on
28:59
Speaker 3: Notre Dame side and Ashley could be on Texas side,
29:02
Speaker 3: and you could be on Vanderbilt side. I mean, that's
29:05
Speaker 3: a fun debate to have. But it just seems crazy
29:08
Speaker 3: that we feel like it feels like we're having more
29:10
Speaker 3: of a rage debate about this situation than we did
29:13
Speaker 3: about a hundred years of a horrible postseason system. There
29:17
Speaker 3: are still flaws with this thing, but at least we
29:20
Speaker 3: have moved in the direction of actually deciding a champion
29:24
Speaker 3: the right way.
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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you.
29:25
Speaker 6: I think it's just when you do a show every
29:27
Speaker 6: single week for five weeks and you rank people and
29:30
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden there's hypocrisy in the way
29:32
Speaker 6: in which your rankings come out, Well, then you need
29:35
Speaker 6: to fix it.
29:35
Speaker 4: Now.
29:35
Speaker 6: Is that better than just at the end of the
29:37
Speaker 6: year everybody played, we'll we'll just guess we think that
29:40
Speaker 6: team's better than that team you're the national champion, of course,
29:43
Speaker 6: or just putting two teams in it, or having a
29:45
Speaker 6: computer do it.
29:46
Speaker 1: But somewhere we're it's twenty twenty five.
29:48
Speaker 6: We have to be able to get enough smart people
29:50
Speaker 6: in a room to figure out how to put the
29:53
Speaker 6: system together to where you're not feeling like there's going
29:55
Speaker 6: to be rage at the end of the whole thing.
29:57
Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, we're dealing with that hetmospheric
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Speaker 3: rivers right now, and this Sunday, are we going to
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Speaker 3: It's our weekly visit with CBS Rules Analyst, the greatest
30:16
Speaker 3: NFL official of all time. By the way, this story
30:20
Speaker 3: snuck past all of us, but Ashley, it's actually true
30:23
Speaker 3: that Notre Dame athletic director renounced something that no one
30:26
Speaker 3: was aware of until yesterday, and it didn't even make
30:29
Speaker 3: the headlines anywhere except apparently on the Dan Patrick Show,
30:34
Speaker 3: that they have a memorandum of understanding that if they're
30:38
Speaker 3: ranked in the top twelve going forward, that they have
30:41
Speaker 3: an automatic bid in the NCAA Tournament. I still don't
30:45
Speaker 3: know if I'm buying it because I'm not hearing any
30:48
Speaker 3: reaction from the College Football Playoff Committee, But I'll say this,
30:53
Speaker 3: it's rife for the committee just ranking them thirteenth next
30:57
Speaker 3: year on purpose.
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Speaker 7: Well, then I think they've got it set like two
31:01
Speaker 7: that it's up to thirteenth, So they could be up
31:03
Speaker 7: to thirteenth, but it depends on a twelve or fourteen
31:05
Speaker 7: team playoffs.
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Speaker 3: See, you just can't. That can't even happen, I mean
31:09
Speaker 3: legally that can Can you imagine the storm we're gonna
31:11
Speaker 3: have next year if they just put Notre Dame in
31:13
Speaker 3: because of some unknown memorandum of understanding that they had
31:17
Speaker 3: with the College Football Playoff Committee. Has anybody put this
31:20
Speaker 3: through legal I don't know.
31:21
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe he wasn't supposed to say anything.
31:23
Speaker 3: Well he hadn't. Nobody knew about it until yesterday.
31:26
Speaker 8: Yeah, when he had his press conference.
31:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to work.
31:30
Speaker 6: I mean, it fits out there, then it's out there.
31:32
Speaker 6: I just the idea of how you get to You
31:37
Speaker 6: get to basically have some sort of rules that supersedes
31:40
Speaker 6: the rest of the rules. Now, maybe that's in conjunction.
31:44
Speaker 6: Maybe these people have had this in mind of like, Okay,
31:48
Speaker 6: we're gonna have this way in which some teams outside
31:51
Speaker 6: of the Power four conferences now can get in here.
31:55
Speaker 6: Right in the first year, we're getting going to reward
31:57
Speaker 6: him with a buy and then they're gonna get smoked,
32:00
Speaker 6: and then everybody's gonna realize, m maybe you don't deserve
32:03
Speaker 6: a bye, so we'll move it back. But you still
32:05
Speaker 6: get an opportunity to get in if you're the highest
32:07
Speaker 6: ranked conference champion blah blah blah. And now all of
32:10
Speaker 6: a sudden, depending on how these first couple games go
32:13
Speaker 6: with Tulane and JAMU, maybe they end up saying, Okay,
32:17
Speaker 6: you're gonna still have a chance, but you gotta be supreme. Right,
32:21
Speaker 6: you got to basically be up there, and there was
32:23
Speaker 6: ranking somewhere, and if there is now an out large
32:25
Speaker 6: spot that isn't taken by somebody that deserves to be
32:28
Speaker 6: and even though if they lost a game where that
32:30
Speaker 6: they maybe shouldn't have dropped early in the season, here's
32:32
Speaker 6: your opportunity. All of that said, maybe that's the only
32:36
Speaker 6: way that they can say Notre Dame, Okay, we're gonna
32:38
Speaker 6: have that for you if you're in the top twelve
32:40
Speaker 6: or thirteen when we have a sixteen game, yeah, thing,
32:44
Speaker 6: a sixteen game, sixteen team, sixteen team, yeah, a tournament
32:48
Speaker 6: now all of a sudden. Maybe that's the way in
32:50
Speaker 6: which the memorandum works, because it can't be if you're
32:53
Speaker 6: ranked twelfth or thirteenth.
32:54
Speaker 3: You get to jump somebody who's ninth or tenth. I mean,
32:57
Speaker 3: could you imagine the poop storm that would happen if
33:00
Speaker 3: that actually occurred?
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Speaker 7: If the twelfth is supposed to be for next year, yeah,
33:03
Speaker 7: and then I think after that, if it expands, then
33:05
Speaker 7: it goes to thirteen.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well again, can you imagine the poop storm if
33:09
Speaker 3: they jump two teams because before the season started they
33:13
Speaker 3: had a handshake agreement because they're Notre Dame. Yeah, that
33:18
Speaker 3: would be tough. There's no swallow. I mean, there's just
33:20
Speaker 3: no way. Maybe he doesn't understand his memorandum of understanding.
33:25
Speaker 1: Well, I most certainly don't understand it.
33:27
Speaker 8: Maybe it's a memorandum of misunderstanding.
33:29
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what it is, because I can't imagine that
33:32
Speaker 3: college football is going to try to pull that next year. Eh, well,
33:37
Speaker 3: I know Notre Dame's ranked twelve. We're gonna go ahead
33:40
Speaker 3: and have them jump Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State here. Yeah,
33:47
Speaker 3: could you imagine the pooh hitting the fan? Then, I
33:51
Speaker 3: mean the Pooh's hitting the fan? Now, yeah, I don't know.
33:54
Speaker 3: I can't buy it. But that's news to me. So
33:57
Speaker 3: maybe I don't have all of the information. But anyway,
34:02
Speaker 3: we are going to talk about Philip Atmospheric Rivers possibly
34:06
Speaker 3: playing this weekend. I mean, it is a long shot, people,
34:10
Speaker 3: it's just this phenomenal story. Is he really coming out
34:13
Speaker 3: of retirement. I do get the impression that they might
34:16
Speaker 3: sign him to a deal, but there doesn't seem to
34:19
Speaker 3: be any chance that he will start by this Sunday
34:23
Speaker 3: against Mike McDonald and the Seahawks. That just that seems
34:26
Speaker 3: like cruel. So we'll talk about it a little bit
34:30
Speaker 3: later on in the program. But Jeane Stertor is going
34:32
Speaker 3: to join us next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,