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Best of Ian Furness 11/4 · The Ian Furness Show

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: All righty, here we go. Wow, crazy stuff going on today.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: We got, by the way, a Mariners news conference at 2,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: introducing the new manager. As if we didn't have enough.
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  Speaker 1: But kind of a wild one in this sense. Normally
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, the Seahawks news conference with Mike McDonald's
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: at 12 o'clock, about 1210 or so. We monitor it.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: We just kind of wait and see what's going to happen.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Greg's out there. He has to cover, so we carried
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: it live, and I'm glad we did today because, lo
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: and behold, we find out your starting quarterback, your Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl-winning quarterback, is out week to week with both a rib.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: And a quad injury. So Hugh Millen, our QB1, is
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: here because there's a lot to dive into because it's
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: not as simple as just say, hey, Drew Locke, you're
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  Speaker 1: the guy. We loved what you did earlier this year,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: especially against Arizona, but that'd be fine, except for Drew
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  Speaker 1: Locke also has an elbow issue. So Hugh, quite the
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: day so far here in Seahawk land, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought, just my initial impressions, I thought
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald sounded more subdued than I've ever heard him.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: When he took the mic, there was a, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to say somber, that might be too strong of
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  Speaker 2: an adjective, but there was definitely, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: say grim, just, I don't know, subdued would probably be
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  Speaker 2: my best adjective to describe his press conference today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have Ashley call this up because there's
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  Speaker 1: something else that jumped out at me in just the
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  Speaker 1: first few seconds of it that we carried. Do you
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: have it, Ash? All right. I'll tell you when to stop,
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: but just go ahead and put, just take a close
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  Speaker 1: listen to this for a second.
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  Speaker 3: For all intents and purposes, it's a Wednesday at this point.
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  Speaker 3: So off we go. I did want to make an
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  Speaker 3: announcement before, uh, Sam, um, Tim injured his, uh, his
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  Speaker 3: quad at the end of the game. So, um, Sam's
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  Speaker 3: going to be out this week. I'll be week to
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  Speaker 3: week for Sam. He's not going to go on. I are, um,
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  Speaker 3: playing us for Drew to, to, uh, start jail and
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  Speaker 3: be ready to back up. Uh, Drew's still working back
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  Speaker 3: from his elbow. So we'll work through that process this week.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll be getting both guys ready to play. Um,
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  Speaker 3: He had full confidence in those guys.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. That's the start of it. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what jumped out at me too, Hugh. This is
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  Speaker 1: something sometimes those guys would hide. And I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say hide. There was really no reason for Mike
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  Speaker 1: McDonald to say that. They practice later. They'll put the
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  Speaker 1: injury report. And if I had a dollar for every
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  Speaker 1: time we get an injury report on a Wednesday after
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  Speaker 1: we've heard from– and this is not just Mike. It
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  Speaker 1: was Pete Carroll too. And you're like– Wait, what? So-and-so's out? Like,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't even, like, but it wasn't asked, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: no one would have asked if Sam Darnold was healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, agreed. And, you know, we kind of went, there's
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  Speaker 2: some similarities with last week with the Huskies. You know,
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  Speaker 2: is DeMond going to start? Is Elijah Brown going to start?
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  Speaker 2: And I agree. One of the things I would consider
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  Speaker 2: if I was a head coach is the likelihood of
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  Speaker 2: a leak. If you're just cold shutting Sam Darnold out
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  Speaker 2: and he's not practicing, and the only guys getting reps
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  Speaker 2: with the number ones are either Drew Locke or Jalen Milrow.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Just the idea that that's not going to leak. And
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  Speaker 2: then what are you going to do? Tell all the players, hey,
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  Speaker 2: don't mention to your family because somebody's liable. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think they just felt like this is– Well.
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  Speaker 1: They got in front of it. They definitely got in
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  Speaker 1: front of it. And the way I bring that up
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  Speaker 1: is that quarterback's probably different, like you said, than another position.
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  Speaker 1: But there have been plenty of times when there's been
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  Speaker 1: a guy that we had no– because no one had
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  Speaker 1: any idea that Sam was hurt. Uh, and McDonald will
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  Speaker 1: speak again on Friday. The injury report could come out today.
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  Speaker 1: And we don't, you know, when we're out there at
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  Speaker 1: practice on a Wednesday, um, I'm not there today, but
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  Speaker 1: normally I am. We only see the first five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of times the guys aren't, the
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  Speaker 1: guys aren't all out there when we come out. He
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  Speaker 1: just goes right after it.
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  Speaker 2: And you're right.
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  Speaker 1: He sounded somber. So let's go through this. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold's injury. And it's two because we should mention
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  Speaker 1: the quad, but he also hurt his rib on the
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  Speaker 1: second play of the game. But McDonald did emphasize it
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  Speaker 1: is the quad that is going to keep him out
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  Speaker 1: for at least this week, and we'll see. So thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that, first of all, before we get to Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got thoughts. My Sam Donald, first of all,
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: let me clarify my prior thought. When DeMond was co-practicing
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  Speaker 2: with Elias Brown, you.
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  Speaker 1: Can maintain that secrecy.
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  Speaker 2: Presumably Darnold, you're just going to shut him down. And
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  Speaker 2: so there's the distinction in my mind as for it.
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  Speaker 2: This is the third soft tissue injury that we've had
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  Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold in less than a year. I had
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  Speaker 2: the oblique at the end of last year. He played
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  Speaker 2: through it and he played great. Um, then he had the, the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the, the glute, the upper, the, the, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was the, um, we, we always think
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  Speaker 2: of the gluteus Maximus. We've heard about that, but there's
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  Speaker 2: the gluteus, um, uh, meet the medial gluteus, um, probably
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  Speaker 2: butchered that, but, um, the, the upper butt, um, towards
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  Speaker 2: the hip, uh, but that's soft tissue. Uh, and, and
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  Speaker 2: then now this, another soft tissue with the quad. Uh, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I, I, I don't really know what to
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  Speaker 2: draw from that other than these add a lot of
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  Speaker 2: soft tissue injuries in less than a year. Uh, is
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  Speaker 2: he prone to that? I don't know at what point
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  Speaker 2: you say he's prone to that or whether you just
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  Speaker 2: say they're just kind of one offs that happened to happen, but, um,
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit concerning. And then as far as
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  Speaker 2: the cracked rib, I don't know. It kind of ticks
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  Speaker 2: me off because when Mike McDonald says, we got to
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  Speaker 2: get back to doing the things that winning teams do,
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  Speaker 2: you're the second play of the game, which ostensibly is scripted.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first pass of the game. And you're in
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  Speaker 2: a right formation. It's an under front. It's this is
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  Speaker 2: like first first day of minicamp front. So nobody's fooled
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  Speaker 2: with the under front. And then I'm going to use
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  Speaker 2: the word solid because and I'm going to use it
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  Speaker 2: in two terms. One is the generic term that we
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  Speaker 2: all use, like, OK, we got to be solid in
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  Speaker 2: the kicking game. It's just kind of a nebulous adjective
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  Speaker 2: for we got to be good.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So just we got to be solid.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, solid in the running. Let's have a solid
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  Speaker 2: running game. But then I'm going to use solid in
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  Speaker 2: a much more specified football term, which is solid protection.
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  Speaker 2: If you brought Mike Holmgren on and said, what is
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  Speaker 2: solid protection or many other– everybody in the football world
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  Speaker 2: knows solid protection is a seven-man front. The back's got
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  Speaker 2: the will. The line has the mic. The will is
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  Speaker 2: the weak side linebacker. And then whether it's the running
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  Speaker 2: back or whether it's the tight end in the formation,
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  Speaker 2: in the personnel– then he's got the Sam backer and
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  Speaker 2: it's an under front. Chicago's playing a three deep three
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  Speaker 2: under fire zone. It's like America's, uh, zone blitz. And,
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  Speaker 2: and we turned Kyler Gordon, the former Husky, totally Scott free. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: AJ Barner, you've got the Sam backer and, and to
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  Speaker 2: whiff on that and to allow Sam Darnold to get
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  Speaker 2: smoked the way he did, the way he landed on
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  Speaker 2: his side, there was a big, uh, uh, a threat
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  Speaker 2: of having a, a, a separated shoulder, but as it was,
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  Speaker 2: he cracks his rib and, uh, you know, and that,
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  Speaker 2: and you throw on George Solani, uh, he, he, uh,
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  Speaker 2: he whiffed on a, uh, a blitz pickup on the
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  Speaker 2: fourth play of the game against new England. So now
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold is missing time because of protections. Now you're
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  Speaker 2: going to say this, he's not missing because of the,
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  Speaker 2: the rib injury, but it's impacting his play. Uh, you can, as,
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  Speaker 2: as you heard, Mike McDonald say, you can, You can
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  Speaker 2: play through a lot with adrenaline. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: go through my list in my career. Nobody cares. But
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  Speaker 2: I've been there with, okay, these injuries, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: had an SC separation in the last play of the
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  Speaker 2: half against UCLA. You know, and you just– the adrenaline,
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  Speaker 2: you know, gets you through it plus an injection. But
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  Speaker 2: then the next morning– and I've had others besides what
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  Speaker 2: I just said. But the next morning, now all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden the body just is yanking at you in
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  Speaker 2: ways that you never experienced the night before. And so, uh,
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  Speaker 2: at this juncture, I'm telling you, you know what Sam
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  Speaker 2: Darnold is doing right now? He is praying on his
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  Speaker 2: knees that he doesn't sneeze. Like that's, that's the, the
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  Speaker 2: nature of, of a cracked rib.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, and so, um, he battled through it, not pleasant,
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  Speaker 2: not fun. It's going to be an issue he deals
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  Speaker 2: with for a few weeks now. Uh, injections can take
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  Speaker 2: you some of the way, but not all the way.
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  Speaker 2: And so, um, you know, that's my, That's my thoughts
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  Speaker 2: about Sam Donald. Seattle's got to be better around him.
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  Speaker 2: And for the Seahawks to totally airball a Sam backer
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  Speaker 2: blitzing off a simple under front in solid protection, that's
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  Speaker 2: a no bueno. That's got to stop. And we've got
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  Speaker 2: to coordinate the offense better so that we're ready for that.
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  Speaker 2: And then we've got to have our head in the game,
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  Speaker 2: the players. And I love A.J.
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  Speaker 5: Barner.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite Seahawks. So it's hard to say.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm only isolating A.J. Barner on that play. That
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  Speaker 2: is not an overall commentary. I'm damn glad he's a
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  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawk. But he's got to be better in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to be a lot better. So at any event,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of summarizing my thoughts about him.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Hugh Millen joining us. I want to get to–
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  Speaker 1: Drew Locke and the elbow and lean on you for
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  Speaker 1: that in a second. Before I do that, let me
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  Speaker 1: give you a separate little topic here. And I think
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: more than anything, I think we need to just kind
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  Speaker 1: of squelch something, end it, and then we can move on.
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  Speaker 1: And what it is, is this you, because I just,
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  Speaker 1: the world, the world we live in now with social
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  Speaker 1: media and all this kind of stuff, there's a lot, wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's a soft benching. It's this, it's that. I would
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  Speaker 1: dance to, to a point with people on that. If
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  Speaker 1: not for the Drew Locke injury, which again, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to in a second. But I would assume you share
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  Speaker 1: my same thoughts. There ain't no way in a must-win
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  Speaker 1: next two weeks before you get to a bye week
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  Speaker 1: that Sam Darnold is sitting out and they were going
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  Speaker 1: with a banged-up Drew Locke and potentially a Jalen Milrow
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  Speaker 1: third-string situation. What I'm saying is, this is legit. So
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  Speaker 1: you want to just squelch that for everybody right now, please?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can give you my take. I can't speak
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  Speaker 2: in factual terms, but my take is this. Sigmund Freud
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  Speaker 2: is arguably the most famous, what, psychiatrist? Not psychologist, psychiatrist
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  Speaker 2: in history, right?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: He had these weird ideas. I mean, I took an elective.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't a psych major or anything. But at some point,
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: we're all exposed to a little bit. And we know
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  Speaker 2: about all of how everything's a phallic symbol. And you're
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  Speaker 2: tying everything to just weird sexual drives. And somehow, that's
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  Speaker 2: deemed to be credible. But Sigmund Freud also said, sometimes
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: a cigar is just a cigar. Yes, exactly. And right now,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes a quarterback injury is just a
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: quarterback injury, and he's got two of them. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's nonsense. That would be my take. I can't prove it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't falsify it. Right, right. And you lay out
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  Speaker 2: incredibly compelling evidence for that point when considering the health
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  Speaker 2: status of drew Locke.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That bears incredible relevance to squelching the conspiracy theory. So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's nonsense, even in the absence of that
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  Speaker 2: evidence of, of drew Locke, because that's just not how
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks do business. And I saw, I saw Sam
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  Speaker 2: Darnold limping around at the end of the game and
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  Speaker 2: I saw him get smoked on the second play of
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  Speaker 2: the game. So even if drew Locke was perfectly healthy and,
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  Speaker 2: I would think the conspiracy is nonsense, but now I
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  Speaker 2: add a further layer of, of, uh, of certainty in
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  Speaker 2: my own mind about that being nonsense. So that's my take.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We, I mean, it just, it's, At some point, I
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  Speaker 1: like that the cigar is a cigar. And at some point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at some point, the guy's hurt.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a phallic symbol. It's just a cigar.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a cigar. And I do like the phallic symbol.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't. If you gave me a blank paper
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  Speaker 2: and said write an essay about the weird sexual innuendos
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  Speaker 2: of his human psychology and motivation, I'd get an F.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But I know it's weird as hell. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: sorry to go off on that tangent. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to bring it up.
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  Speaker 2: Sigmund Freud is even as weird as he was and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and able to concoct all of these strange theories.
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  Speaker 2: He even he said sometimes a cigar is just a
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  Speaker 2: cigar like nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: Don't look for anything more. And so that's the analogy
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  Speaker 2: of my story. So I apologize. No, I like it.
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  Speaker 1: All my Wazoo friends, about 80% of Wazoo at some
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  Speaker 1: point took a class, Psychology 230. It was human sexuality.
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  Speaker 1: It was called Dirty 230. Yeah, that's all I could
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: think of was Dirty 230. That's all I could think
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: of was Dirty 230. Every Wazoo person that took that,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. Dirty 230. That's the
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  Speaker 1: psychology elective you wanted to get.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's a cigar. Light it and smoke it. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's all.
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  Speaker 2: Don't read anything else into it.
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  Speaker 1: I could also tell you that's a class no one
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  Speaker 1: ever skipped. Okay, let me, even after a big night
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: on a Wednesday for an exchange with a sorority. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's do this. I want to take an early break
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  Speaker 1: here because I want to come back. I want to
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this. When we come back, Hugh,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about Drew Locke. The elbow he hurt in
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  Speaker 1: practice we now hear when it was raining. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know the extent of it or anything like that. We
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  Speaker 1: just know that they're going to limit him. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean for Drew Locke? What does that mean for
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  Speaker 1: the offense and what they want to do? And Hugh,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: what does it mean if Jalen Milrow ends up having
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  Speaker 1: to play on Sunday? And the only reason I'm even
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  Speaker 1: going to bring that up and approach that is is
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  Speaker 1: because Mike McDonald talked about the possibility they're going to
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  Speaker 1: look into signing another quarterback, which tells me that there
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  Speaker 1: is enough concern. Can't prove it, like you said, but
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  Speaker 1: that tells me there's enough concern that they may need
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  Speaker 1: someone to back up Milrow on Sunday. Let's get into
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  Speaker 1: all that coming up next. News today, Sam Darnold will
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: miss at least this week's game. Quad and rib injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Quad is the most severe one, or the one they're
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  Speaker 1: saying is keeping him out. Drew Locke will start, we think,
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  Speaker 1: we hope, we would expect, but he also has an
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  Speaker 1: elbow injury. He has been inactive in the emergency third
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  Speaker 1: quarterback the last two weeks. Apparently hurt that in practice
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: when it was wet. So, Hugh, let's start there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Drew Locke's numbers this season, 35 for 48, 422 yards, 73%
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  Speaker 1: completion percentage. four touchdowns, no interceptions. He was impressive in
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  Speaker 1: the limited time he got in the first game in
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  Speaker 1: three quarters, what have you. He'll perhaps be going, but
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  Speaker 1: you hear elbow and a quarterback, you think, oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the greatest thing in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I just go back to some of my memories
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: about quarterbacks who've had this issue. Basically, you're talking about
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: one of two things. If you're Remember quarterback injuries, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to them. You got the UCL, the ulnar
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  Speaker 2: collateral ligament on the inside. That's a ligament that holds
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: the elbow joint together. But you also have flexor tendons
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  Speaker 2: that let the forearm muscles snap the wrist on the throw.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a group of quarterbacks that we probably
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: remember some of these injuries. Remember Brock Purdy in the NFC?
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  Speaker 2: He tore his UCL. and missed the rest of the
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: NFC Championship game because of the offseason. He missed zero
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: regular seasons of the games the year before. Jake DeLome
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  Speaker 2: played in the Super Bowl. He missed 13 games in
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the 2007 season. Carson Palmer missed 12 games.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen didn't miss any games. Now, again, those were
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  Speaker 2: UCL issues. Now, the following list are guys that just
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  Speaker 2: wore out their elbow from throwing. Terry Bradshaw had the
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  Speaker 2: flexor pronator muscles of his inside of his elbow. He
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: missed the first 14 games of 1983, then played one game,
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  Speaker 2: and then retired. It ended his career. And by the way,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: an interesting side note to that one, Bradshaw got surgery
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: in Shreveport, Louisiana, where he's from. And this is back
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: in 1983. And he checked into the hospital in an alias.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: You know what his alias was?
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: What?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That's hilarious. Get it?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: T.B. Terry Bradshaw?
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: He checked.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: His alias was Tom Brady. But I move on. Joe
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Montana missed 31 straight games in 91-92. This is just
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: common flexure torn. Now, his tore off the bone. But
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: that was a long recovery before he eventually got traded
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to Chiefs. And then one more, Ben Rocklessburg. Berger missed
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the final 14 games of 2019. So these repetitive throwing
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: injuries are no joke. And in fact, the list that
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I gave you for repetitive throwing the Bradshaw Montana Roethlisberger list,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: the minimum games that they missed was more than any
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: of the, the actual, uh, specific injury, uh, like getting
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: hit on the arm guys, because the most anybody missed
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: in that list was 13 games. And the least anybody
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: missed in the repetitive throwing list was 14 games with Bradshaw.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Am I making sense? So which, which is all to say, okay,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: this is legit. Now, um, My own experience, you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: my kid and going into ninth grade, he I was
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: just saying, hey, toughen up. He was saying my elbow hurts,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: elbow hurts. Well, then I had some real attention from medical.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And I say, you better shut him down or he's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: going to tear this thing right off the bone. Now
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: there was, you know, growth injuries and what. So his
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: entire ninth grade year, he played wide receiver. Like we
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: just shut him down from throwing. So this, this, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: then for me, I had never experienced, I played 25
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: years of football and then through coaching another 24 seasons,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I threw a lot of footballs in my life, never
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: had the issue. And then, and then I, I threw
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a weighted ball a couple of times that's supposed to,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to strengthen your arm. Let me tell all the dads
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of quarterbacks out there, do not have your kid throw
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a weighted ball because for the first time in my life,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Throwing the weighted ball caused the inside of my elbow
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to inflame, and it hurt for like eight months to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: throw around. And so why do I bring that up?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Because Mike McDonald brought it up in the press conference today. Now,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he didn't say, that drew lock was throwing a weighted
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: ball but he said it was a wet day yes
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: in my in my past yeah my past life i've
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: done um a football weighs about 15 ounces if you
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: put it on a scale you know full now that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that's different than the air pressure which is mandated 13
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: psi that's pounds per square inch so i'm not talking
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: about the pressure in the ball i'm talking about just
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the weight have done um simulated rain tests, put them
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: in tanks and what have you, if you grow the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: ball from 15 ounces to 20 ounces.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It feels like you doubled the weight. So when Mike
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: McDonald said it was a rain day, he was throwing,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Drew Locke was throwing with a heavy ball. I just
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: told you the experience that I had that finally for
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the first time in my life, I experienced pain having
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: thrown a heavy ball. Now, the ball I was throwing,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I should have weighed it, but I know it was
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: more than 20 ounces, but that ball probably gained up to,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it could be as much as half of its weight.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It could have been well over 20 ounces, and that
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: would definitely be enough. to cause some injury. And I,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and we've already gone through the list of how this
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: can be serious. So, so in my opinion, this is
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: no joke. And it is further evidence that there, we can,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: we can just totally put the lid on the conspiracy,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: soft benching Sam for Sam Darnold. And, and, and unless
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you say you want to see Jalen Milrow come out.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the Seattle has some quarterback health
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: problems right now. And they're both there. Neither of them are,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: are really serious because they're not season-ending or career-injuring, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: all of them are at least moderately concerning, right?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. We don't know the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: extent or the pain and all that stuff that Locke's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: going through.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: When they're game-planning, though, let's assume he's in some way limited.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: How does this change what they do? Well, there's a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: lot of things that are going to be different for
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Drew Locke. First of all, he stepped in the fifth
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: play of the season, which was right off the heels
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of training camp. In training camp, he was getting a
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: lot of reps. A lot of times, you go four
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: reps for the starters, maybe six reps for the starters,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: then six for the backup, and maybe two for the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: third string guy. Drew Locke was getting a lot of
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: reps in training camp freshly before having to play in
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: week one and week two. The longer you go throughout
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the season, You're not getting reps with your guys. Now
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you're scout team quarterbacking, so you're staying fresh and you're
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: going against the number one defense, so you're saying sharpen that,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but you're throwing to the reserves. It's not your offense.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: It's the simulated offense.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But if they've shut him down, which we know they
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: have over the last few weeks, he's not as sharp
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: because he hasn't been throwing. He's not as sharp because
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he's not on the heels of training camp. So those
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: are two areas. and then what's his discomfort level going
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: into this thing? Is he going to rip the ball?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, that Cardinal game, he had some incredible, just
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: real arm talent throws off to the left, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a far hash under duress, you know, smoking comebacks. His
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: arm strength was on display. And so now how is
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: he physically? How is he mentally? Does he feel like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: he can rip those throws, or is he more likely
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to check it down? You know, guys do crazy things.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I had a year with the Broncos where I had
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: a grade one separation of my AC at the end
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of training camp. I didn't really want to tell the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: trainers because I didn't want to go get another quarterback.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So I remember– so our first game was against the chargers.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I'm backing up John Elway. I think it was on
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Sunday night football. Um, might've been Monday night, but it
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was a night game. And I remember just that there's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: like one or two games in my life where I've
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: sat there on the sideline and praying that I'm not
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: going in. Cause I know I'm not, I'm a hundred percent.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Now I could have gutted it out, but in practice
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that week, I was just kind of checking it down,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: throwing the swing outs, lobbing it out there. I didn't
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: want to rip it because it was, you know, it was, uh,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it was uncomfortable. Now I, I, I think by week
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: two or week three, I was fine, and then I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: could go back to throwing with whatever my velocity was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But my point in saying that is Drew Locke may
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: be in the pocket, and the throw that he made
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: against the Cardinal throws, plural, that he made against Farhash
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: ripping deep out routes, he may feel like I can't. Right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And he may be more likely to check it down
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to the running back just so that he doesn't have
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a throw– that yanks on, you know, that, that, uh,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not a case of causing discomfort. You
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: don't feel like you can execute it. Like, Hey, am
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I going to have my normal velocity or is the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: ball going to hang and float? You know, and you're
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: used to, you know, throwing out and timing, you know, uh,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: my out route. Okay. I, this is where I normally
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: put the ball. Well, now I've said I have to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: adjust and I, I have to throw it farther out
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: in the front because I don't have the same velocity.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's, There's a challenge mentally and,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: of course, physically for him. Let me ask you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I've got about two minutes left here, so just real quick.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: If they have to play Jalen Milrow, you saw him
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: in the preseason. You saw him up here at training camp.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on that? Well, his last game went a long way.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: The last preseason game, he was very good. Up to that,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it had been a disappointment. You almost think, hey, are
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: they going to just fold their cards on this guy
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and just punt? but then he had a hell of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a preseason game. But in no way is he really
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: ready to play at the level of Drew Locke or
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, in my opinion. Now, if he had to play, then.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to do what Ohio State didn't
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: do against USC last Saturday, which is We don't have
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Julian saying everybody else has to pick it up. The
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: defense has to be more ferocious. We have to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: more tenacious in the running game because we don't have
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Everybody has to lift up the backup quarterback.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: So if Millerell has to play, the Cardinals are a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: good team to have to go against. They're probably going
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to get a lift with Minshew psychologically, but you've got
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to squelch that idea in the first quarter. And then
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: everybody has to pick it up if Mill Rule has
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: to play.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Well, no problem. I mean, it's the great unknown. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: we'll find out all these answers on Sunday and see
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: what happens. But boy, oh boy, Hugh, what a newsy day.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Great stuff with you. I appreciate it as always. Of course.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know, at least it's the Cardinals.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one thing. Although, yeah, it's interesting. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen this. They're trading Jacoby Brissett
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to Baltimore. So they're definitely moving on. So it's going
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to be something.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I would have preferred to play Brissett.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I would have too. I said that to Ashley earlier.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: There was a play.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: There was a play in week two where the Cardinals
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: were back on the goal. I don't know where up against.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But the Seahawks, all four guys that they rushed, started
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: on Brissett's left side. They would just be inviting an
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: athletic quarterback to escape to the right. Nobody rushed from
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the center over to the right. And then somehow they
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: still got a little bit of pressure, and Bursette, he's
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: just not creative. He's not athletic enough to have burned them.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And I thought you could go 10 years and not
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: see another rush like that. All four Seahawks rushers starting
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: from the left side of the offensive line. to a
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: right and a quarterback. So he's just not a playmaker.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And I would have preferred to play him this Sunday.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I would have too. What, what Minshew's proven over the years,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: he'll give you, he can give you a game or two.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You don't want him. You don't want him for 17 necessarily,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: but he can give you a game or two. And we,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and we saw that against, and we saw that against Dallas.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you, you, you, you, well, you know, his
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: career better than me, but, but I'll just close with this.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: John Clayton, who used to grace our airwaves.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He had a great line. He says, if, if,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: with a backup quarterback, if he plays three games, he
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: can win three games. That same guy, if he plays
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: six games, he can win three games. That's a good point.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: You know, the more he plays, the more it's going
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to level out, right? But you know what? In week one,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure the Cardinals feel like they're going
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to get a lift from him. And so we got
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to We've got to stop that right now. Thank you.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, Dick Baird. We've got to stop that right now.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: That's our guy, Hugh Millen. I'm hoping no more breaking news.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I love talking to you, but I'm hoping I don't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: talk to you again until Hardcore Football on Monday, all right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: All right. See you, buddy.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Hammer down.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: That's Hugh Millen joining us here.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Great stuff.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Big news again today. Sam Darnold out this week for
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, week to week, with a couple of injuries,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: quad and rib. We'll take a break, come back. We
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: still have some college football to get to, and we'll
• 28:49
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• 28:51
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• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Ian Alright, here we go. Taking a little bit of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a break from the Sam Darnold injury. Drew Locke's sore
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: elbow and maybe we'll see the Jalen Milrow show this weekend.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Who knows when the Seahawks host Arizona. Time to talk
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a little college football because this is the embarrassment of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: riches this time of the year, man. Some days it
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: just gets handed to you. Last night, college football playoff
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: rankings came out for the first time. There's a ton
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to talk about there. Incredible weekend of college football coming up.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So our guy, Stuart Mandel from The Athletic, The Audible Podcast,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: joins us right now.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, Stu, how are you?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I'm good, Ian.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'm good. We're wondering if we're going to watch Jalen
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Milrow play this weekend for the Seattle Seahawks in a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: real NFL game as opposed to a preseason game. What
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: do you think about that?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, it's funny you say that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: It just also came out that Joe Milton is going
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: to start in Philadelphia.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Two, you know, just SEC champions. you know, where you
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: would think they'd be like, where are they now? Former
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: sec quarterbacks, apparently where they are is an NFL starting quarterback.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That could be the case.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Joe Milton from Tennessee and he was in Dallas for
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a while and, uh, they let him go. He's my,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: my understanding. I did a Dallas game for compass radio
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: this year. And, uh, my understanding with Joe Milton is
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: that work ethic and things like that aren't his strong suit.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That's not the case with Miller. I'll say this with Jalen.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: We've had a chance to talk to him a number
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: of times. He's, Great young man. He just needs, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he's got talent, and they've got four years to work
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: with him. I don't think they were expecting it this week.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: It may not be him. It may be Drew Locke,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: but we'll monitor that situation.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: All right, Stu.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So the college football playoff rankings come out last night.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: The made-for-TV event, courtesy of SEC partner ESPN. We may
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: or may not get into that part of it, but.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I heard you say in the podcast, and I kind
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of thought the same thing. Are these guys drunk, this committee?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on? What was your reaction
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: last night? Oh, yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: It was wild. It was all over the map. Nothing
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: that I'm angry about, but.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Man, when I saw Ohio State flash up there at
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: number 12, I was like, oh, wow, that's pretty shocking.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: And then right after that, Notre Dame at 11, I mean,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I think I gasped. I'd never seen, I can't remember
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: a team being that different with the committee than they
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: are in the polls.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And some of it, you know, you talked about,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: some of it will take place, will take care of itself,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: especially even this weekend with all the matchups. But let's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: go through it. Miami, number one, no surprise. Georgia, two,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: no surprise. Utah at three. Best win maybe is, what, Houston, right?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: But they're 8-0, so they're three, a Big 12 team.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So you go ACC, SEC, Big 12. Indiana is four
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: at 8-1. Their quarterback isn't very good. Alabama is number five.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Let's go through the top five. Alabama has to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the biggest shock, right?
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Not just where they're ranked, but how.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: far ahead they are of Tennessee, who they got blown
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: out by. There's no way to perfectly order those SEC teams.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: They all, they all beat each other.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: But that, that was surprising because I don't, I don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: really think of Alabama as one of the better teams
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: in the country right now. Now they could go out and,
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: and decisively be LSU this week and change our minds.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: But yeah, sometimes this is where you get.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Such inconsistency from them because they Why is Alabama that high?
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: He took Hunter Gerachuk because they have all these good wins.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: You know, they beat Kentucky, who's right behind them. They
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: gave him a lot of credit for Mississippi State, who
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: was healthy then. You know, Texas is obviously that high
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: because of the.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Strength of schedule. But then, like you said, the number
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: three and four teams are Utah. I wouldn't say they
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: have a signature win, though.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: They have a top 25 win. Indiana doesn't have any
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: signature wins. So it's so inconsistent. It always is.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: It is. And, Stu, I guess Alabama's 2-2 against teams
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: ranked in the top 25. So they haven't beaten anybody
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: in the top five. And as you mentioned, the Tennessee
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: part of it comes into play. So you look at that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is I know Saban still has an office in Tuscaloosa, right?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Do they still think he's there? What's going on?
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Every single year, whatever their situation is, they always get
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: And now you're three years removed from Saban. Um, What's
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: really interesting about.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: It to me is, like I said, they beat LSU.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: This kind of goes away. But let's say they lose.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's at LSU. Say they lose a close game.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Let's say an overtime game. Now they have three losses.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: But you're going to drop them all the way for
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: like they're going to probably still be in the top
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: 12 next week.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine you would drop them.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Uh what eight nine spots for losing a close game
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: maybe they will but it reminds me a little bit
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: of the miami notre dame situation last year where the
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: first rankings end up boxing them in a bit.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Let me pop down a little bit because the next
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: one that that just jumps off the page notre dame
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: number four in the ap poll number 11 in the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: college football playoff poll they're seven one are the irish
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: they host miami this weekend and i guess it's safe
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to say That's an elimination game for Notre Dame, right?
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: That's an elimination game for Notre Dame, clearly. I think
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Oregon-Ohio State's now an elimination game for Ohio State because
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: if they lose their second straight game with their backup quarterback,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: I think the committee has a reason to say this
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: just isn't a playoff team. One of the dilemmas of
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: the selection committee from the very beginning in 2014 is,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: is it the best teams or is it the most
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: deserving teams? And they'll always say, well, it's the best teams.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: That's what it says, right?
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: But when we talk number of top 25 wins, schedule strength,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: that is much more deserving. So when Hunter Juracek comes
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: out and says, well, why is Notre Dame 11? They
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: played one top 25 team and they lost. And they
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: have one win over a team with a winning record.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And you say, oh, okay. Makes sense, right? But... All
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: the computer rankings think they're one of the best teams
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: in the country.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: They've blown out everybody else they've played. Most of us
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: think they are one of the, I'd say, five to
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: eight best teams in the country, at least. So is
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: it best or is it most deserving?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm going to get back to that in
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  Speaker 1: best will do. We're talking about the best here in
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: college football. You went that term, most deserving, best team,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: what have you. Was it three years ago now? Was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it three years ago that Florida State was deserving, but
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: they weren't the best because they lost their quarterback? Mike
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Norvell says, yep, yep. That was the beginning of the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: end for me. And I look through here. There's a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: lot of teams that, as we kind of go through it,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: now Indiana's quarterback, somewhat healthy but benched. UCLA starting quarterback
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is out. Ohio State starting quarterback is out. And so
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you start kind of going through this list of teams
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and Oregon has a backup that finally kind of came through.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Boise State's starting quarterback is out. So how much do
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you think the committee looks at that as well? Because
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt Ohio State and the other teams I
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: mentioned might be different teams, although UCLA is still undefeated.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Big Ten is a mess with all the
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks and backup quarterbacks. And I think that's why they
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: will probably end up getting, I think, three bids, but
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: maybe two, depending on how this shakes out. But the
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: weird thing about it is if he'd come out and,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: you know, why is Ohio State that low? Well, we
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: saw them with their backup quarterback and they're just not
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: as good, right?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: People go, okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: But he really harped much more on their defense. he, he,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you know, how your check, he just talked way more
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: about their defense gave up all these big plays against
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: USC and they didn't look like the same team, which, okay,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: that is true, but that's the same defense that shut
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: down Indiana and beat Indiana on the road. And we're
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: seeing Indiana at four and Ohio state at what?
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: 12. That's the inconsistency again.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, that, that's the thing you kind of have
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to kind of ask you a hundred year check, by
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the way, the, spokesman of the committee lead here and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the one talking about it. I, you know, the Ohio State,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just find it fascinating. And this is
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: kind of why it's fun. It's a made for TV
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: event and people want to draw the line between the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: SEC's partnership with ESPN, what have you. This is sometimes
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: why college football is fun. It's honestly, it's what makes
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: college basketball fun in February and early March is going
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: through the bubble. Who's on the bubble? Who's got the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: quad one wins? This is a little bit, feels like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: this sometimes a little bit more subjective, but I'm just
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: fascinated by the fact we could have a college football
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: playoff here in 2026 with no Notre Dame again and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: no Ohio State, Stu. Like that's a distinct possibility, right?
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: It's a very distinct possibility. Notre Dame is now Notre
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: Dame's favorite at home against Miami. And, you know, I
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: think we're, we're now realizing, especially after the UNC game,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: that Miami's past defense is a big problem and could,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: could be their undoing in South Bend with CJ Carr
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: and some good receivers, but Notre Dame's down.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Two or three of their DVs.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: And they're going against Darian Mensah and Malachi Toney. I
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: think the committee basically, going back to last season, is
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: done with, oh, but look at the analytics. Look at
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: how we blew out all these bad teams. Hey, if
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: you think you're a playoff team, beat a playoff team.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: And I think this will be their last chance to
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: do that. So it's an elimination game. You know what's
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: a shame, Ian? Next year won't be.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Next year won't be.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Ohio State, Oregon won't be.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: These games are just for seeds.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That's what's a bummer. You're actually playing for something right
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: now is what you should be doing as well. I'm
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with you 100%. I've gone back and forth on the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: 24-12 teams, but I'm with you on that. Let's talk
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: about a team you just mentioned. The Oregon Ducks come
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: in at 23 in the college football playoff poll.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: They're 5-3.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Ducks.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: If they, they went out, they're probably going to jump
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: up into that top, I guess would have to be
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: top 11, right?
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know that that's a guarantee because you've got
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: all those SEC teams in front of each other, in
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: front of them who are going to play each other
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: and get more top 25 wins. So, you know, but
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: definitely puts them in them. Like I said, I'm sorry.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: So you're saying there's a chance.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: There's a chance. There's a chance.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: There's a chance.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: And look, They were impressive against Northwestern. Their offense and
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Dylan Arreola just came out and exploded. And maybe that
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: turns out to be an aberration. But if they continue
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: that way, the committee has the discretion to say, okay, well,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: they struggled a bit initially when they lost Dante Moore,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: but they're clearly a much better team now, and so
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: we're going to rank them accordingly.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And USC is not dead by a far margin, right?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: They're not dead yet either.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: No, they're not dead.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: And obviously if they were to, I mean, they have
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: two more top 10 road games.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: They have to go to Indiana.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: Obviously UCLA is not a far road trip, but you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: they're an undefeated team right now. So, I mean, if they,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: if they went out, they're going to the playoff. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: don't think there's much suspense there. What would be fascinating
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: is if they split those games and they're nine and
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: three and you're comparing them to nine and three teams
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: in the SEC, how that resume would stack up. It's,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, not many teams will probably have two top
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: 10 wins. What they need to root for is Ohio
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: State to stabilize and not deteriorate, you know, keep the value.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Of that win.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: We touched in on Stuart Mandel joining us, Audible and Athletic,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Audible podcast, TheAthletic.com. Touched in on last week, 9 a.m.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Pacific time, 10 a.m. in Utah in Salt Lake City,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Rice-Eccles Stadium, BYU, Utah, BYU and Utah are both battling
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: for the Big 12 title, both battling for a college
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: football playoff spot. What's on the line with this game, Stu?
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Besides the fact it's the Holy War, and trust me,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I've covered four or five of those things, and I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: can just tell you it's unreal. It's absolutely unreal in
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: terms of the emotion.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: It's unreal, and now it's getting the spotlight it deserves.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I know it's thanks for the fans there, but... you're
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: getting a much bigger spotlight, a noon game on ABC
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: with not much competition versus, and I've been telling the
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: fans there that you do not want that game to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: be opposite Notre Dame, Miami or LSU, Alabama.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Like you're the game in that window.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Um, Utah, obviously committee is very impressed with Utah and
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: their number three. And if they win this game, I
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: think you're getting pretty close to wrapping up a playoff spot,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: win or lose in the big 12 title game. Um,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: after seeing what I saw last night, I think BYU
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: is suddenly in must win territory. I wouldn't have said
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: that initially because of the Notre Dame win, but.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: They lost at USCF.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: And if they lose this game, now you've got two
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: conference losses and you're behind both Utah and Texas tech. So, um,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: it's not a must win because there's still a path
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: to the big 12 title.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Game if they lose, but it's not as clear.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: And I didn't come away from the committee rankings last
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: night thinking, Oh yeah, they'll definitely get a second team
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: from the big 12.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get, I'm trying to figure out the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: big 12 scheduling thoughts. Like, why is this not the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: last game of the year? Like it just, it's, I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: don't know. That's an odd thing to me. It's, it's,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: it's the rivalry game. You know what I mean? I
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: know when the, when the, When everybody went to the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Big Ten from the Pac-12, the four teams at least, Oregon, Washington,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that's the rival. They played the last game, USC, UCLA,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. BYU, Utah. And plus,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm just bitter, Stu, because it's going to be
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: 46 degrees and sunny. I need that game in a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: blizzard like I had to sit through a few times.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I need there for that one. But that's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: just a hell of a game. It's going to be fantastic.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. The other games that kind of jump, Alabama-LSU.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Something will take care of itself there. If Bama loses,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: even though they're ranked as high as they are, they
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: still have three losses. Are they still in the college
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: football playoff conversation if they lose to LSU?
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, definitely. I mean, now they put them number five, sure.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Wow. By the way, look at Alabama's schedule after that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I believe it's Vanderbilt.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's a nothing burger.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: An FCS team and Auburn.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, now... as we learned last year with Notre Dame, just.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Because you're there now doesn't mean you're guaranteed to stay there.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: So maybe they are still in the top 12 as
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: of next week, and then they start to, you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: maybe the last second they fall back, but it's Alabama,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: so I doubt it. I mean, they seem to be
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: tough on the college football playoff committee.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: If they beat LSU, okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: But, you know, my concern for them is that Keelan
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Russell When he's on, he looks phenomenal.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: The Tennessee game, it couldn't have been much.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Further from that, and you're going to play a really
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: good defense on the road. This game, this matchup doesn't
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: necessarily go well for Alabama, but at the same time,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: LSU doesn't have.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: A big win yet, so let's see.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I would encourage people to listen to the Audible. Stuart
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and Ralph and Bruce break down all the games, but
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a couple more I just want to touch in on.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Oregon-Ohio State. some thoughts on that because it's a, I mean,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: it's the battle of the backup quarterbacks. I think advantage
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: goes to Oregon, but you're playing in the big house.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Or are you playing in the horseshoe? I'm sorry.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: It's an impossible forecast. Which version of Oregon are you
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: going to get? You know, I think if.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: I think that was unusual performance by Ohio State's defense
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: last week.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: They hadn't given up big plays like that before. If
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: they kind of get back to normal, they should win.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: But....
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Who knows which version you're going to get of either
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: of those teams, frankly.
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: They're kind of reinventing themselves on the fly.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: There's other great games, obviously, mentioned. We kind of glossed
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: over it, but Notre Dame hosting Miami at 430. That's
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: just kind of the marquee game of the weekend. There's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: so many others to take a peek at as you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: look through there. I want to get to a couple
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: other bigger picture items. Let me start with Florida State.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: They fired Mike Norvell, the aforementioned Mike Norvell. He's out.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of names being mentioned. Uh, that speculation is
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: always fun, including our buddy, Jake Dickert, who's at Wake
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Forest right now. I'll ask you this though. How good
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: a job is it? I mean, Florida state to me
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: is one of those Stu, it's one of those hammer programs,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like that anymore.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: No, it's really taken a dent. They're heading toward their
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: seventh losing season in nine years. That's not something I
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: would have ever thought we'd say about Florida State. Clearly,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: money is an issue there. I don't know how they're
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: going to afford this $ 50 million buyout.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Now, I'd rather have that job.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Than any other job in the ACC besides Miami. But
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: if I'm, let's say, Manny Diaz from Duke, who probably
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: will get some attention in this cycle, or Dickert, Would
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: you rather have the Florida State job or a mid-level
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: SEC or Big Ten job? And I think in this
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: new age of college football, you would say, I want
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: to get to the SEC and Big Ten. I've got
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: a better chance to be a regular playoff team and
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: a national championship contender than I do at Florida State.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the thing, right? And this is how,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: maybe as good as a good example as anything, this
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: is how the landscape of college football has changed. Bobby
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Bowden in Florida State in that program is no longer
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: one of the marquee top five jobs in the country
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: or even probably a top 10 job, right? Like that's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: how the landscape has changed, how dramatically it's changed over
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the years.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Even 10 years ago, Jimbo Fisher still had them, you know,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: nationally prominent. It's been pretty unbelievable how drastically it's fallen off. Now,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I feel like any program is always one great coach
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: away from being right back where they want to be. Heck,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: Indiana with one great coach turned themselves into what Florida
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: State used to be. So it's not impossible by any means.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: But to your point, how attractive is it? Now, at
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: this rate, right, as we get to the end of
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: the cycle here. If not a lot of other jobs
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: come open, it might be the best job of the cycle.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Certainly better than Maryland or Baylor. Now, if USC fires
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley, I'm going to change my mind to that, obviously.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Or if there's something really crazy like Michigan bails on
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Kyle Whittingham. But right now, there aren't a lot of
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: jobs like Florida State that look like they'll be open.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a petty individual.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I'm a petty individual. So
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I took some– I had a chuckle. I had to
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: laugh a little bit. when Arbuckle got fired. Ben Arbuckle
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: by Oklahoma. And I guess mostly because I'm a petty individual,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but man, how did that happen? That went from being
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: like this great, we're singing the praises of this hire
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to all of a sudden, and Oklahoma's having second thoughts.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hear fans, I see stuff all over
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the place, like, why are we in the SEC and
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: all this? It's kind of a disaster down there for
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: our ex-quarterback and now their ex and our ex-offensive coordinator.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I remember saying when the day that Oklahoma, Texas,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: the SEC news broke, I realized why they're linked together.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: But if I'm Oklahoma, I would, I mean, I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: they should have called the big 10 and say, Hey,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: we're available because they go from being the alpha of
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: the big 12 to one of eight blue blood type.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Programs in the SEC. And it's not going well, obviously.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: All I can say about the Ben Arbuckle thing is, We, we,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: we love to scapegoat the OC, but I do think
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: it matters who your head coach is. And now we,
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: we really know how good Jake Dickard is. You know, I,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: I guess it makes a little more sense why he
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: was so successful under him and not so much under
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Brent Venables. Who's really a defensive coach who doesn't know
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: what he wants to do on offense. He's just been
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: cycling through OCs. They're trying to figure something out. Um,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: He's a defensive coordinator and a head coach's job. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: that didn't work out. But of course, the big mystery
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: is what happened to John Mateer. He also was never
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: the quarterback we saw at Washington State.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I always look back and I always thought I kind
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of always felt as if they mailed in the two
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: of them kind of mailed in the second half of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the season. They both knew they were gone. And I
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: go back to the final game of the year, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: they played Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: Of all teams.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: And they lost 15-14 and did not score after their
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: first or second drive of the second quarter and were
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: shut out in the second half. And Mateer was not good.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just one of those games. And
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, there's something not right here. There's something wrong.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe they just were tapping out. But at the same
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: time on that November game, and, you know, maybe Arbuckle
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't the smartest guy in the room.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, you're right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Venables has to take some credit as well. But away
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: we go. Real fast before I go. Thoughts on what's
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: going on here with the Washington Huskies and the quarterback
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: carousel with the Huskies. They got Penn State this week.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: It should be a win. Penn State's not very good,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: but now they're going. Last week we were talking about
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: how nobody liked DeMond here. It's all about Elijah Brown.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Guess what, Stu? That's not the case anymore.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that? DeMond off the bench for the win. Yeah.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: That was a good, that was a good win. No
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: question about it. I realized Nebraska, it's easy to make
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: fun of them, but heck their defense, I mean, Nebraska,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: if nothing else, Nebraska had been pretty good on offense
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: all year.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: And then they ran into Washington and that went away.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: So they have a chance to get some momentum here
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: going the next two weeks.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Penn state's not very good. Michigan state's terrible. But then
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: you close with two.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Really big ones at Indiana and at Oregon and Right now,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't love their chances against those two teams, but
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: maybe they continue to grow from here.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Stu, tell people about the Audible podcast. It's great this week,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: by the way. You've got all kinds of stuff up
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: there with the games coming up and everything else, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: also the Athletic. Go read Stu's mail back. It's fantastic,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: plus a recap. Tell people about the Audible.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: The Audible, you know, there's a huge weekend coming up,
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: and we'll be live at 8.30 a.m. Pacific on Sunday
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: on YouTube at Audible Show. And you can always get
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: our episodes wherever you listen to podcasts, Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. Thanks, Stu.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Ian.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel from The Athletic. We'll get back. We've got
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: much more to come, including the new Mariner Manager press conference,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: 2 o'clock. More on Sam Darnold's injury and more, 93.3 KGRFM.