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Chuck in the Morning 7-30 Hour 3: 12th Man News with Gregg Bell and ABC's of the Mariners · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 2: Hi.
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Speaker 3: Yes, an hour later than normal, but uh, you know
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Speaker 3: Drake Thomas, you know, a very demanding guy. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think you got that sense Prima Donna. You know,
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Speaker 3: if I'm going to do this, I want Greg Bell segment.
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Speaker 4: You know. So we had Drake Thomas on at seven,
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Speaker 4: but there's no.
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Speaker 3: Way we're going to get through a show without you
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Speaker 3: hearing from our Seahawks insider joining us now from the
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Speaker 3: News Tribune, and of course you can hear him today
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Speaker 3: at ten o'clock on kJ OR.
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Speaker 4: It is Greg Bell.
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Speaker 2: Hello, sir, Good morning guys. Yes, I auction off my
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Speaker 2: seven o'clock slot there around the clock. R Paige, he Paige, Yeah, journalism.
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Speaker 4: All right, you're buying later.
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Speaker 3: By the way, John Schneider's walking around, I mean he's
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Speaker 3: making laps around here. Are you gonna write a story
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Speaker 3: on his weight loss. I think he looks like fifteen
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Speaker 3: to twenty pounds lighter.
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Speaker 2: I didn't notice that, No, notice that? That wasn't I
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Speaker 2: do see him pretty much every day, but did not
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Speaker 2: notice that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe because you see him every day, you don't.
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Speaker 4: It's actual loss where it was a.
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Speaker 3: Little bit eye opening for me. Well, I don't want
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Speaker 3: his height, I don't want his abs, but I do
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Speaker 3: want his hair, so he can go f off with
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Speaker 3: that freaking those locks of his.
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Speaker 4: He'd probably say that about Drake Thomas's beautiful hair. Yeah too. Hey,
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Speaker 4: let's since he took your spot, let's.
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Speaker 3: Start with with him. Drake Thomas, is he like locked
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Speaker 3: in here? I mean, is there any competition at all
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Speaker 3: for him at that linebacker position? I mean, obviously Ernest
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Speaker 3: Jones is locked in, But this Cane Knight put any
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Speaker 3: pressure at all on Drake this year? Are you hearing
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Speaker 3: from the from the brass about that?
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Speaker 5: Well, unless he regresses, no made. Mike McDonald loves how
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Speaker 5: Drake Thomas executes the game plan, the fundamentals. He's a
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Speaker 5: shore tackler in the open field at that position, very important,
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Speaker 5: and he just grasped the concepts and the game plans
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Speaker 5: and the system obviously better than Tyree Knight is because
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Speaker 5: Knight was the starter and first year that McDonald was here,
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Speaker 5: and then last year Drake Thomas out of nowhere. Drake
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Speaker 5: Thomas was a special teams player, one of the fringe
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Speaker 5: guys on the roster, much like Tyle Katta this time
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Speaker 5: last year, and when Okata and Drake Thomas proved that
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Speaker 5: they really have the system down, that was the key
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Speaker 5: in this defense because it changes so much right before
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Speaker 5: the snap. Because McDonald's asked him to be so instinctive
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Speaker 5: and so versatile and so hybrid and so meba to
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Speaker 5: confuse an offense, you have to have your stuff down.
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Speaker 5: It's not enough to just be physically gifted.
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Speaker 2: Or fast or tackling. You got to have the mental
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Speaker 2: side of this defense down or you're lost, your step behind.
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Speaker 2: If you're step behind, you're in the wrong place. If
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Speaker 2: you're wrong place, you get exploited. In big plays. McDonald
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Speaker 2: puts a huge premium on knowing what to do before
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Speaker 2: the snap, and Drake Thomas is very good at it.
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Speaker 2: And here you go, Drake Thomas is here. He made
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Speaker 2: that play. I don't know if you talked to him
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Speaker 2: about it. It's become the signature play last year, knocking
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Speaker 2: them very intercepting the pass from Christian mccavy.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that play.
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Speaker 2: I keep remembering that play. That could have become a
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Speaker 2: really hairy situation for the Seahawks losing that game. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the defense was in control the whole night and the
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Speaker 2: only time the forty nine Ers got in the red
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Speaker 2: zone threatened not only that game, but they threatened the
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Speaker 2: number one seed for the Seax. They would have seen
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Speaker 2: us have been on the road in the wild card
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Speaker 2: round the next round had they lost that game in
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Speaker 2: Week eighteen. And the instincts in the reaction time that
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Speaker 2: he had to make on that play when McCaffrey tiffed
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Speaker 2: the pass right in front of him, it was like
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Speaker 2: a Blue Angel Fighter Jet type of reflexes to still
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Speaker 2: intercept that pass was reflected right in front of him.
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Speaker 2: And then after the game. My memory of Drake Thomas
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Speaker 2: last year was after that game in Santa Clara of
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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers Week eighteen, I walked into me
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Speaker 2: smoking a cigar like most of the guys celebrating the
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Speaker 2: division title, and I.
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Speaker 6: Said that cigar is pretty cool. When the last time
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Speaker 6: he had a cigar.
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Speaker 2: He said, it's the first time I've ever smoked a
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Speaker 2: cigar in my life.
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Speaker 6: How do I do it? Where do I cut it?
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Speaker 6: Where do I light it? Yeah? He is an understated
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Speaker 6: guy for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And internally they talk about that weekly team game as
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Speaker 7: kind of the paradigm that that was the pinnacle of
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Speaker 7: their defensive accomplishment, in part, Greg because of what you
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Speaker 7: alluded to. The forty nine ers were doing a lot
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Speaker 7: of motions and shiftings, and the Seahawks had a lot
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Speaker 7: of adjustments to make that they had to make right
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Speaker 7: before the snap. And they feel that they've never been
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Speaker 7: more in tune as eleven guys knowing exactly what the
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Speaker 7: checks are. Nobody has to flail around and make these
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Speaker 7: these violent signals as to the checks. It's just like
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Speaker 7: one quick little signal and then and everybody knows that
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Speaker 7: there's no thinking, there's no react, you know, it's just
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Speaker 7: reacting bam coming downhill. And so they feel like that
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Speaker 7: Week eighteen game is the best they've ever played on defense.
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Speaker 2: That was the night, remember you guys, Remember that was
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Speaker 2: the night. In the very first drive they went forward
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Speaker 2: on a goal line, such a fourth and goal from
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Speaker 2: like the two to three yard line, and we're all like,
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Speaker 2: what is he doing here? He knew the forty nine
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Speaker 2: ers could not drive ninety yards even if they fail
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Speaker 2: on fourth down, and he knew they would get a
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Speaker 2: three and out and the ball back near midfielder on
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Speaker 2: the plus side of the field, and he was going
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Speaker 2: to play that field position game all night because he
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Speaker 2: knew their defense was so dialed in that night that
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Speaker 2: in the Super Bold, to me, were two very similar
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Speaker 2: game plans for McDonald, We're just gonna win with defense,
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Speaker 2: get some first downs to the to the fifty, but
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Speaker 2: Dixon kicked the other team into their own goal line,
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Speaker 2: and then let's try let's see if they can drive
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Speaker 2: ninety yards to score on If they can't, we'll just
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Speaker 2: play that way. We'll collect field goals, and we'll just play.
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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl played out just like the week eighteen game.
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Speaker 2: To me, the offense, the opposing offense completely overmatched by
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Speaker 2: a defense that was absolutely in tune, like he was
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Speaker 2: talking about.
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Speaker 3: At this point, McDonald and Shanahan could go to dinner
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Speaker 3: and Mike would just order for him and Shanahan would
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Speaker 3: be like, how did.
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Speaker 4: You know I wanted chicken and might be like, I
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Speaker 4: got you figured out. I got you figured out, buddy,
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Speaker 4: don't you worry about that?
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Speaker 6: Probably would do.
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Speaker 2: That because Shanahan at the moment probably couldn't read the menu,
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Speaker 2: so he probably doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Wow Seahawks in.
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Speaker 3: Greg here with us on Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 3: three KJRFM. All right, so Leonard Williams' extension talk thirty
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Speaker 3: two years old. I mean, he doesn't look like he's
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Speaker 3: falling off, looks like one of the best players at
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Speaker 3: his position in the National Football League. And yet you
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Speaker 3: got Byron Murphy that's gonna come do here soon as well.
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Speaker 3: So how much money are they gonna spend on defensive
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Speaker 3: tackles here going forward?
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they're gonna spend money on Lenon Williams
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Speaker 2: because I'm not sure Lennon Williams.
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Speaker 6: Well, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: Williams. He made people notice when he said I asked him,
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Speaker 2: had the Seahawks talk to you, approached you about a
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Speaker 2: new contract? He's going into the final year of his dual,
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Speaker 2: and he said, we've had conversations, and that's what everyone
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Speaker 2: noticed him saying. But what he also said was, but
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna talk about that right now. We can
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Speaker 2: do that at the end of the season.
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Speaker 6: There's time for that.
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Speaker 2: We're worried about winning games right now and getting ready
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Speaker 2: for the season. I get the sense, guys that Leonard
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Speaker 2: Williams got married before last season. He and his wife, Haley,
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Speaker 2: had their first child this offseason. And you you know this,
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Speaker 2: so the first time you have a kid, your life
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Speaker 2: perspective changes in a hurry, and the things that mattered
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Speaker 2: to you and what you used to spend your money
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Speaker 2: on and what you prioritize slip. And he's played now
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Speaker 2: twelve years, he's won a Super Bowl, he's played in
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Speaker 2: New York, he's been out here in Seattle. He's made
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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars. His kids, kids, kids.
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Speaker 6: Have generational wealth.
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Speaker 2: I think he's going to reassess things. He hasn't come
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Speaker 2: right out and said that. But when we were talking
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Speaker 2: about Kalais Campbell last December, he is eighteen years to
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Speaker 2: the league, was a defensive end last season still for
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and Leonard Williams in late December before they
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Speaker 2: were going to play the Cardinals, he's shaking his head,
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Speaker 2: going Kalais Campbell man eighteen years. I said, could you
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Speaker 2: imagine playing because at the time Williams had played eleven years?
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Speaker 2: Could you imagine playing seven more years? And He's like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, he said, I feel pretty good now.
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Speaker 2: I asked him, how much longer do you think you'd
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Speaker 2: want to play? Still pretty good now? But seven year? No,
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that. That's crazy. Seven more years from
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Speaker 2: right now. Oh, that's a long way to say. The
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Speaker 2: Seahawks are going to see how this year plays out.
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Speaker 2: Does he stay healthy, is he as productive as he
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Speaker 2: has been? NFL players at most positions start tailing off
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Speaker 2: once the tune.
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Speaker 6: Thirty two, thirty three, thirty fourths just age.
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Speaker 2: And nature, and then I think the Seahawks will reassess
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Speaker 2: at the end of the season. Yes, usually they get
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Speaker 2: their foundational players done going into the final year of
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Speaker 2: their deals. But with Williams, I think he's got his life.
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Speaker 6: Perspective has changed.
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Speaker 2: Byron Murphy, Yeah, he's got two more years on his deal,
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Speaker 2: this one and next. You can bet that his agent
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Speaker 2: saw the Jalen Carter deal. Not that Murphy would command
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Speaker 2: a Jalen Carter top of the market deal, but that's
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Speaker 2: the barometer now, how is the agent is going to
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Speaker 2: say relative to Carter, here's my guy. But Byron Murphy
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Speaker 2: needs to take another step this year like he did
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Speaker 2: last year to start entering that talk of Jalen Carter
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Speaker 2: Esker even be in the neighborhood at the top of
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Speaker 2: the market for interior tackles.
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Speaker 7: Greg Bell with us and Greg I got to say
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Speaker 7: that I as I look at this team, obviously it's deep,
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Speaker 7: it's talented, but I do have a concern about the
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Speaker 7: number two.
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Speaker 4: Receiver and that through a lot.
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Speaker 7: Of money at RECEIPTSI heat, you can't pay seventeen million
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Speaker 7: dollars just for our return guy when when you didn't
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Speaker 7: think that that Kenneth Walker was worth fourteen million. You
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Speaker 7: know that kind of that's the framework that you evaluate
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Speaker 7: that contract. In my opinion, Tory Horton has kind of
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Speaker 7: been in and out. We see him practice, then some
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Speaker 7: days we see him he doesn't practice. I thought that
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Speaker 7: was really weird that a god, I'd never heard of
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Speaker 7: a guy missing a whole year because of a shin.
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Speaker 7: I know that was related to the knee bone and
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Speaker 7: it was kind of almost more of a knee surgery
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Speaker 7: type of thing.
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Speaker 4: But where does the club feel about Horton.
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Speaker 7: And and where we are with this number two receiver.
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Speaker 2: They're pacing Tory Horton right now. He did play the
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Speaker 2: practice the first two training camp practices, but only in
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Speaker 2: position drills and seven on seven. He wasn't doing any
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Speaker 2: eleven on eleven. Then the third day they give him
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Speaker 2: the day off. He comes out in flat tennis shoes
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Speaker 2: and watches practice. But then, yes, well what is it now?
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Speaker 2: Two days ago they were off of practice. Yesterday he
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Speaker 2: did go eleven on eleven for the first time since
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Speaker 2: his shin injury. So it seems it's going to be
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Speaker 2: bad two or three days on a day off, then
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Speaker 2: come back full go two or three days. It'd be
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Speaker 2: interesting to see today. They're in full pads for the
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Speaker 2: first time this morning, and if Horton's going to do
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Speaker 2: eleven on eleven in full pads, that would be probably
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Speaker 2: a next evolution step for him. But they are ramping
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Speaker 2: him up. He to me is a little bit ahead
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Speaker 2: of where I thought he might be because he wasn't on
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Speaker 2: the field at all and OTAs in mini camp. I
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Speaker 2: thought he was going to begin training camp on the
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Speaker 2: pup list. It was somewhat of a surprise that I
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Speaker 2: saw him on the field Saturday, but he isn't full
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Speaker 2: go yet. They envision you, Brian, Mike McDonald and Vision
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Speaker 2: and even John mcstier when they.
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Speaker 6: Traded for Rashid Shaheed.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Horton was injured then, but Horton has three more
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Speaker 2: years left on his rookie deal. They acquired Shaheed and
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Speaker 2: then resign him for that fifty one million dollars three
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Speaker 2: year deal with the vision of two speed guys, and
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Speaker 2: that put them both on the field at the same time.
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Speaker 2: When you go extra wide receivers and see how a
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Speaker 2: defense handles two guys that can take the top off
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Speaker 2: of it, and then that should, in theory open up
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Speaker 2: the underneath for Jackson Smith and Jiggun Cooper Cup and
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Speaker 2: even aj Barner. That's the theory. We haven't seen it
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Speaker 2: yet because of that mysteriously serious sind injury that McDonald
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Speaker 2: refuses to really specify what actually happened there. So we
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Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet together in a game, and we
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Speaker 2: won't until September ninth against the Patriots. But that's the plan,
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Speaker 2: two speed guys to make them have Now I will
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Speaker 2: say this, there's been a concerted effort from San Donald
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Speaker 2: from OTAs all the way through the first three days
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Speaker 2: of camp to throw the ball to Rashid Shaheed. He
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Speaker 2: jumps into the line drills to make sure he throws
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Speaker 2: the Shaheed all the time. In group drills, he throws
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Speaker 2: to them all the time. In seven on seven there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of plays in the offense and scrimmaging who
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Speaker 2: goes to Shaheed, bubble screens, slants, out routes, deep routes.
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Speaker 2: It seems they're force feeding that connection. So that's much better,
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Speaker 2: much further along than it was when Shaheed joined midstream
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Speaker 2: last November.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, as you're talking a play in the
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Speaker 7: Super Bowl orterally first quarter of the Super Bowl comes
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Speaker 7: to mind. They ran a weak side flood to the
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Speaker 7: left side where they put Jackson Smith and Jigba as
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Speaker 7: the split end into the boundary to Sam Darnold's left.
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Speaker 7: They squeeze the formation down with Cooper Cup he runs
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Speaker 7: a deep angle cross across from right to left. And
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Speaker 7: as you're talking about the idea of opening up the
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Speaker 7: underneath coverage, they had Jackson Smith and Jigba doing the takeoff,
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Speaker 7: you know, clearing out the defense and the and you
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Speaker 7: notice the corner in the safety, they turn out of
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Speaker 7: their back pedal, they clear it open, they give a
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Speaker 7: nice uh look for for Sam Donald to see. And
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Speaker 7: oftentimes that safety might I'm hanging and look like he's
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Speaker 7: gonna drive down on the Cup route. But because they're
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Speaker 7: I'm not in their heads, but I I what my
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Speaker 7: presumption is, they see number eleven, they know number eleven
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Speaker 7: is a superstar, and now all of a sudden, like magnets,
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Speaker 7: they're gonna go. And that was man and man coverage.
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Speaker 7: So I'm mainly talking about the post safety. But he
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Speaker 7: gave Donald a good clear indicator that that he was
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Speaker 7: going deep to help on the clear out by by
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Speaker 7: JSN and Cup was able to come underneath that. That
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Speaker 7: that's an example where JSN is the clearout guy. But
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Speaker 7: I don't really want him in that role. I don't
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Speaker 7: want him getting tired out running, you know, sprinting forty
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Speaker 7: five yards down the field and what have you. And
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Speaker 7: that's not the best use of him. But U but
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Speaker 7: you know that there there at least is some some
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Speaker 7: play with the personnel that they have.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to pay one hundred and sixty eight
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Speaker 2: million dollars to a clear Robers.
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Speaker 4: Eventually the safety go wait a minute, he's just a
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Speaker 4: clearout guy. I'm gonna jump across.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they would.
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Speaker 2: They'd rather be Sheeden Horton to do that job this
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Speaker 2: coming season.
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Speaker 6: You're right.
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Speaker 2: One thing, while we're talking about receivers, I will say
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Speaker 2: that I've noticed already early in camp that Brian Flurry
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Speaker 2: is going to throw the ball a lot more to
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Speaker 2: tight ends. He's a tight ends coach, of course, seven
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Speaker 2: years tight ends coach at the forty nine ers. I
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Speaker 2: think A. J. Barner could have a Pro Bowls, borderline
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Speaker 2: all Pro season in this offense. They're gonna have him
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Speaker 2: on the field every down. He's gonna because he's so
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Speaker 2: good at blocking and inline blocking, and he's going to
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Speaker 2: get a lot of a lot of chances to catch
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Speaker 2: the passes. And because Smith and Jigbi's reputation precede him now,
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Speaker 2: because of Cups experience, because of the two speed.
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Speaker 6: Guys, A J.
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Speaker 2: Barner could have massive, massive plays underneath all that this season.
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Speaker 3: Last thing for you, in our last couple minutes here
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Speaker 3: this morning, in the eight o'clock hour and not the
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Speaker 3: seven o'clock hour with Greg Bell, you mentioned full pads
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Speaker 3: ten o'clock practice. So practicing a little earlier in the day,
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Speaker 3: a little cooler in the day, remind us how physical
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Speaker 3: will Mike McDonald practices get at this stage in the process.
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Speaker 2: Not very physical in to the skill position guys. They
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Speaker 2: don't bring guys to ground. The other day they had
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Speaker 2: blocking pads and high jump pit pads out for guys
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Speaker 2: form tackle practice. But they don't bring dudes to ground.
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Speaker 2: They want dudes to stay off the ground to keep
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Speaker 2: them from leg injuries and stupid cheap injuries like that.
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Speaker 2: Having said that, the offensive and defensive lines go at
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Speaker 2: it and that's as real football.
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Speaker 6: As it gets.
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Speaker 2: Once the pads come on, they'll do a daily one
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Speaker 2: on one pass rush drill between the offensive a defensive linement.
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Speaker 2: That's when you have started. You have Leonard Williams going
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Speaker 2: against Gray's Abel Mono E monotype stuff. That's I am
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Speaker 2: always there for that and watch that every time, even
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Speaker 2: though the receivers and defensive action at the other end
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Speaker 2: of the field doing seven on seven. I watched the
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Speaker 2: passers drills because that's as real football as it gets.
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Speaker 2: But as far as the scrimmaging goes, they blow the
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Speaker 2: whistle as soon as someone comes up against them, just
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Speaker 2: like as if they didn't have pads on.
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Speaker 4: So today starts the potential for fights basically.
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Speaker 2: What you're saying, some especially on the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, gone are the days of the Oklahoma drills,
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Speaker 2: and he remembers all of that where you just bash
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Speaker 2: each other's heads in running backs, trying to run over
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Speaker 2: linebackers and vice for Yeah, they don't do any of
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Speaker 2: that anymore. The players are too rich.
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Speaker 7: Well, you used to have double days with you know,
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Speaker 7: pads in both and massive hitting the nine on seven drills,
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Speaker 7: which are exclusively runs that those would be twenty five
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Speaker 7: minutes just meat grinding.
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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, just mashing. Mike Mike Cogrin used to have
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Speaker 2: him do two thirty practice. He'd have it like at
17:57
Speaker 2: ten o'clock practice in Cheenie when it was about nine
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Speaker 2: five degrees and then was one hundred and five degrees
18:02
Speaker 2: at two thirty. You have them come right back out
18:04
Speaker 2: and do it at two thirty and do it all
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Speaker 2: over again at full pad. Yeah, the NFL CBA Players
18:09
Speaker 2: Union won't let them do that.
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Speaker 3: Plus Frank Clark's not out here anymore, so there's that
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Speaker 3: as well, or a fetti. Yeah, yeah, well all right, Greg,
18:18
Speaker 3: thanks man. We'll see you out here in a little bit.
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Speaker 6: Yes, you will. I'll be you'll see it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, what do you have on your show today?
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Speaker 3: Let's let me squeeze that in here.
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Speaker 4: What did he hang up? Okay, Travis might have took
18:30
Speaker 4: him off.
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Speaker 3: Travis was on. Yeah, he's gonna talk Seahawks. Greg will
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Speaker 3: of the letter PP is four positioning you and I've
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Speaker 3: already discussed this this morning, but it's strange. I mean,
19:45
Speaker 3: you struggle so much against left handed pitching, and Weston
19:49
Speaker 3: Wilson has shown an ability here recently to give you
19:52
Speaker 3: a little bit of offense against lefties. But because your
19:57
Speaker 3: woes against left handers have been so mighty, you're putting
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Speaker 3: him in the lineup, and you know he's playing a
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Speaker 3: position he's not comfortable with. He is somewhat of a
20:06
Speaker 3: utility guy, but he's really an outfielder, and he's not
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Speaker 3: even a very good outfielder. So he's playing third base
20:12
Speaker 3: for you to get his bat in the lineup. Not
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Speaker 3: that it's that great of a bat, but that's how
20:16
Speaker 3: desperate you are. And then he clunks two plays and
20:20
Speaker 3: they weren't errors, but you think a major league third
20:23
Speaker 3: baseman makes those plays, and maybe we have a different
20:25
Speaker 3: outcome last night. But yeah, you got exposed.
20:30
Speaker 4: I mean we talked about Anthony Bradford a little bit earlier.
20:34
Speaker 3: Baseball you get to choose whether or not you want
20:38
Speaker 3: to run behind Anthony Bradford. Baseball chooses you sometimes. And
20:43
Speaker 3: last night West and Wilson, the baseball gods chose him
20:47
Speaker 3: to make a couple of They weren't easy plays, but
20:51
Speaker 3: they were makeable plays. A good third baseman makes those plays.
20:55
Speaker 3: He botches them.
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Speaker 7: But I would I would say if the definition of average,
21:01
Speaker 7: I think an average third basement.
21:03
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think you're right.
21:04
Speaker 7: J I think makes that play. I think playing third base.
21:07
Speaker 7: You know, if you just say, even if you just said, okay,
21:10
Speaker 7: break the league. You got thirty teams in the league.
21:13
Speaker 7: The top ten are good, the middle ten or average,
21:16
Speaker 7: the bottom ten or poor, I think I think the
21:20
Speaker 7: top ten and the top twenty make that play. Yeah,
21:24
Speaker 7: now you're you know, the first one I think it
21:27
Speaker 7: was it was, you know, a mistaken his glove just
21:31
Speaker 7: belied him. And then the second one, you know, the
21:34
Speaker 7: rains seemed awfully diminished, and yet he still had a
21:38
Speaker 7: good glove on the ball. So you know, first first
21:42
Speaker 7: two of your first three runs, the bomb the home
21:46
Speaker 7: run and the second bat or notwithstanding, right, that was
21:48
Speaker 7: the first inning, but then the next.
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Speaker 4: Two runs are attributed to poor third base play. Yeah,
21:54
Speaker 4: and you know you are knowingly playing a poor.
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Speaker 7: Defensive third baseman. Yeah, Now, he he had he had
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Speaker 7: a nice hit late in the game. So I would
22:05
Speaker 7: have advanced the theory that that could that two ears
22:09
Speaker 7: could impact his psyche and and and and you know
22:13
Speaker 7: be a factor for him and his mindset at the plate.
22:16
Speaker 7: But that that base hit to left field, would it
22:21
Speaker 7: was a.
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Speaker 4: Double, wasn't it.
22:22
Speaker 2: Uh?
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Speaker 7: I think he had just a single, just a single,
22:24
Speaker 7: but its hard hit. Yeah, but it's so so he
22:28
Speaker 7: was he was still able to uh put that behind
22:30
Speaker 7: him a little bit. But but it would be a
22:33
Speaker 7: concern that if you're out there struggling, hurting the team defensively,
22:37
Speaker 7: that now that could impact your your well, it's.
22:41
Speaker 4: Not an idea.
22:42
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just not an ideal situation that you're
22:44
Speaker 3: playing the important stretch of games against the best team
22:47
Speaker 3: in baseball and West and Wilson because you're so bad
22:51
Speaker 3: against lefties, you're trying to get his offense in there.
22:56
Speaker 3: Not that it's fantastic, but you got to live with
22:58
Speaker 3: the defense and last night the Bay spol God's put
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Speaker 3: the ball in his lap and he booted them both.
23:03
Speaker 3: Q is for quality. Emerson Hancock did not get a
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Speaker 3: quality start last night, could have been had Wilson made
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Speaker 3: the plays. But it's been such a quality season for
23:15
Speaker 3: such a quality young man. I mean, this is just
23:18
Speaker 3: there's so many quality young men on this roster and
23:21
Speaker 3: he's right at the top of the list. And I'm
23:23
Speaker 3: just so happy for him having gotten to know him
23:26
Speaker 3: over the years that I mean, these are his best
23:28
Speaker 3: friends that they've developed into his best friends, and he
23:31
Speaker 3: was the highest pick of all of them, and he
23:35
Speaker 3: was the guy in Tacoma while they're building their resumes
23:40
Speaker 3: for monster contracts and building there, they get to hang
23:44
Speaker 3: out together. They get to hang out together at the
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Speaker 3: major league level and major league ballparks and travel together
23:50
Speaker 3: and everything else. And he's in Tacoma with a different
23:53
Speaker 3: group of friends. And so for him to break through
23:57
Speaker 3: this year has been so great to see.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's been as good as.
24:01
Speaker 3: Any starting pitcher that we've had this season, but last
24:04
Speaker 3: night might have been his last start as a Mariner.
24:08
Speaker 3: His name is the one being mentioned most prominently in
24:11
Speaker 3: trade talks, and he acknowledged it afterwards that it's been distracting.
24:15
Speaker 4: It's been hard to deal.
24:17
Speaker 3: With because he wants to be here, and he wants
24:20
Speaker 3: to be with the guys, and he wants to help
24:22
Speaker 3: them win, and he wants to win as a Mariner,
24:24
Speaker 3: and yet there's no way to block out all that
24:27
Speaker 3: noise about he might be pitching his last game.
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Speaker 7: He's not the only one. He's the most prominent, right
24:34
Speaker 7: in theory. Is there any that in the pitching staff
24:39
Speaker 7: that are totally untouchable?
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Speaker 4: I would say I wouldn't.
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Speaker 3: I would say not totally untouchable because you have such depth,
24:50
Speaker 3: Like you say, Okay, who would be the most Kirby
24:53
Speaker 3: or Logan or Wu?
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Speaker 4: I mean I would have said Wu would be in
24:57
Speaker 4: the discussion he's had.
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Speaker 3: Signing Brian Miller, in the discussion this weird thing about
25:02
Speaker 3: Miller's not pitching tonight. He's gonna move to Friday. You know,
25:06
Speaker 3: we're that time of year where you're like, why is
25:08
Speaker 3: that happening?
25:09
Speaker 7: And why is WU starting with all of this. He
25:13
Speaker 7: has the biggest gap in home versus Road.
25:17
Speaker 3: So I mean, I I would I would guess that
25:20
Speaker 3: no one is invulnerable in this in these conversations. But yeah,
25:27
Speaker 3: Hancock seems to be the most prominent.
25:29
Speaker 4: And how do you feel about that? Do you think
25:31
Speaker 4: he should be? Uh? I sort of get it.
25:38
Speaker 3: I I sort of get it, but yes, but I'd
25:42
Speaker 3: hate to see it happen because I think he has
25:44
Speaker 3: broken through this this season. But somebody's leaving in the
25:48
Speaker 3: off season too. It's gonna be Gilbert or Kirby. One
25:51
Speaker 3: of them is getting traded in the off season. So
25:55
Speaker 3: I think that's inevitable. But but right now.
25:58
Speaker 4: You need a hit her just contract.
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Speaker 3: Well, they're not gonna they're not gonna resign all of
26:03
Speaker 3: these guys to well, they just don't sign guys to that.
26:09
Speaker 3: They don't spend that much money. So the idea that
26:12
Speaker 3: you're gonna keep all four long term now, so they'll
26:17
Speaker 3: move one of them while they have trade value.
26:20
Speaker 7: Sorry Chuck to interrupt you. You say that kind of
26:23
Speaker 7: matter of facty, like you're just accepting and almost I interpret,
26:29
Speaker 7: possibly from your tone, that that you're okay with that.
26:32
Speaker 7: What what about A Marina fan says, No, that's f
26:35
Speaker 7: and bs we got.
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Speaker 4: You're telling me what either Kirby or Logan is.
26:41
Speaker 7: You're gonna let him go for money reasons only when
26:44
Speaker 7: you already have Like the one thing that depoter does
26:47
Speaker 7: the best is identify right handed starting pitches, like if
26:53
Speaker 7: you had to get granular, that's the best thing he
26:55
Speaker 7: is as a personnel guy. And you've got this beautiful
26:59
Speaker 7: pitching staff, and we're gonna just act like the Oakland
27:02
Speaker 7: A's and and just let a guy walk because we
27:05
Speaker 7: don't want to pay him.
27:05
Speaker 3: No, you, I would do it. I would do it,
27:09
Speaker 3: you do, I have no no. I would trade him
27:13
Speaker 3: one of the two I signed one of them. I
27:16
Speaker 3: would sign one of them. That's why you trade them,
27:19
Speaker 3: because they've got years left.
27:20
Speaker 4: On their deal.
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Speaker 6: I won't.
27:21
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let them walk away free agents.
27:23
Speaker 7: And one of them should be the highest priority to
27:26
Speaker 7: to to trade.
27:27
Speaker 3: I would, Well, you need them now, so you need
27:32
Speaker 3: them at this stage in the process. Uh, to try
27:36
Speaker 3: to win this year. That's that's priority number one, is
27:39
Speaker 3: to try to win this year. But once you get
27:40
Speaker 3: to the off season, I got Anderson and Sloan, I
27:43
Speaker 3: gotta find room for them, uh in this starting rotation
27:47
Speaker 3: going forward. So it seems like I'm going to try
27:50
Speaker 3: to keep one of Kirby and Gilbert and extend him,
27:52
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna trade the other one, uh to get
27:55
Speaker 3: a boatload of pieces to help me and other are
27:59
Speaker 3: you gonna trade?
28:00
Speaker 4: Huh?
28:00
Speaker 7: When are you gonna trade this off season? This off season?
28:03
Speaker 7: And they have how many more years?
28:05
Speaker 3: Be George s two and Logan would have won, so
28:08
Speaker 3: you'd get a bigger return for George than you would
28:11
Speaker 3: for Logan. But I'm gonna find out which one doesn't
28:16
Speaker 3: want to stay here, Like Logan's already talked about wanting
28:18
Speaker 3: to leave.
28:19
Speaker 4: So I don't they'll both. Yeah, I don't think they'll
28:23
Speaker 4: both be here next year.
28:26
Speaker 7: So one of theif he can get a bat for yeah,
28:29
Speaker 7: exactly right. Yeah, I mean like a legit, like a
28:33
Speaker 7: middle of the lineup bat. Well, if you want to
28:36
Speaker 7: get a guy that makes a lot of money, yes,
28:41
Speaker 7: or you can trade him for prospects and just reload it,
28:45
Speaker 7: not like lower level guys ready to contribute right now,
28:49
Speaker 7: kind of prospects that keep the payroll down so that
28:52
Speaker 7: John will sign the other one. So yeah, that's that's
28:55
Speaker 7: how I That's how I would do it, and that's
28:57
Speaker 7: how I'm expecting that they're going to do it. Are
29:00
Speaker 7: is for right handed hitter, and it is that market
29:04
Speaker 7: is just dried up. I mean, here we are four
29:07
Speaker 7: days away from the trading deadline and we've not made
29:10
Speaker 7: that move for a right handed hitter. We need one,
29:13
Speaker 7: and yet I don't know who it's gonna be. Byron
29:15
Speaker 7: Buxton's completely off the board at this stage. If he
29:19
Speaker 7: was even on the board. You've lost.
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Speaker 3: Casey Schmidt this week to injury, Spencer Steer this week
29:26
Speaker 3: two injury. The market's not really making much more sense
29:30
Speaker 3: out there in terms of acquiring a right handed hitter.
29:33
Speaker 3: So it's it's gonna be difficult. I have heard that
29:38
Speaker 3: they are having a really difficult time finding a dance
29:42
Speaker 3: partner in.
29:44
Speaker 4: All of this, and.
29:46
Speaker 3: Based off of the fact there's only been one trade
29:48
Speaker 3: before the trading deadline, everybody is having a hard time.
29:51
Speaker 4: Actually there's two. There was another one last night.
29:54
Speaker 3: But everybody's having a hard time putting together a trade
29:56
Speaker 3: for a right handed hitter, so it might not happen.
29:58
Speaker 3: And then finally, I just want to slip this in
30:00
Speaker 3: sys for schoobl who, like Emerson Hancock, may have pitched
30:03
Speaker 3: his last game with his team last night. The Detroit
30:08
Speaker 3: Tigers look like they're going to trade him before Monday's
30:12
Speaker 3: trading deadline. Certainly not to the Mariners, but Trek Scooble
30:16
Speaker 3: is most likely going to be dealt now. It looks
30:18
Speaker 3: like it's almost a foregone conclusion. And that's you want
30:21
Speaker 3: to talk about picking something up at the trading deadline.
30:23
Speaker 3: That's arguably the best pitcher in the world.
30:26
Speaker 7: Yeah, well him his schemes, right, I mean, who who
30:30
Speaker 7: else would be in the conversation?
30:33
Speaker 4: Oh, Zach Wheeler, the kid up in Milwaukee.
30:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's where I'd love to see Schooble go.
30:40
Speaker 4: Can't really pronounces Mizeroski the is you just call this,
30:44
Speaker 4: But that's where I love to see him go. I
30:47
Speaker 4: love for Milwaukee to get Schooble and see what those
30:49
Speaker 4: two guys could do in a series. Why is Schooble
30:52
Speaker 4: leaving Detroit? They're not going to be able to re
30:55
Speaker 4: sign him in the off season.
30:56
Speaker 3: He's just gonna ask for too much money, so they're
30:59
Speaker 3: gonna They're not going to pull an Angels and let
31:02
Speaker 3: Shoe a Otani walk out the door without getting anything
31:06
Speaker 3: in return.
31:06
Speaker 7: Baseball has an interesting business model regard you know, I
31:09
Speaker 7: as a player rep during the contract negotiations, the CBA,
31:15
Speaker 7: and the franchise tag emerged as a kind of a
31:22
Speaker 7: bridged between the owners and the players who were we
31:26
Speaker 7: were obviously seeking free agency. And it was really Pat Bowlan.
31:30
Speaker 7: You can you can when you see the franchise tag
31:33
Speaker 7: in football, yep, you can just think of it as
31:36
Speaker 7: a John Elway clause. Because Pat Bowlan, the owner of
31:39
Speaker 7: the Broncos, said, Okay, I'll reluctantly agree to this new
31:42
Speaker 7: thing that you call free agency in the in our business,
31:46
Speaker 7: but I'm not signing anything that allows me to lose
31:49
Speaker 7: John Elway. And thus was born the franchise tag. In
31:53
Speaker 7: this situation, you would have school ball would be franchised
31:59
Speaker 7: by the Tigers. If we're kind of trying to compare
32:02
Speaker 7: apples to apples with the NFL. And so if you're
32:05
Speaker 7: a Tiger fan and you've got this, you know, blove pitcher,
32:09
Speaker 7: who's dominant, as you said, as as good as anybody,
32:12
Speaker 7: but you know, he's just gonna walk out of the
32:14
Speaker 7: door because you have you know, you know, skinchy, parsimonious owners,
32:23
Speaker 7: cheap owners, trying to find the right word there. Uh
32:26
Speaker 7: then then you know, I don't know, I think that
32:30
Speaker 7: detracts from baseball.
32:32
Speaker 4: That's why they want a salary cap. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
32:35
Speaker 4: so they don't have to deal with that anymore.
32:36
Speaker 3: All right, Coming up next on the radio program, Defensive Tackles,
32:42
Speaker 3: I want to get huge thoughts on just how much
32:44
Speaker 3: money we should be paying Byron Murphy Leonard Williams going
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Speaker 3: All right, Seahawks training camp, but continues, another beautiful morning
33:06
Speaker 3: for us here with practice starting earlier today.
33:10
Speaker 4: So as soon as we're.
33:11
Speaker 3: Done, I'll get to we get to step right out
33:13
Speaker 3: on the field watch a little.
33:14
Speaker 4: Bit of practice again.
33:15
Speaker 3: Our QB one with us here all week long. Hugh
33:17
Speaker 3: Millan has been necessary this week to our broadcast and
33:23
Speaker 3: so we're leaning on him heavily, and we're going to
33:26
Speaker 3: get into a pretty big topic about the passing game
33:29
Speaker 3: coming up here in the nine o'clock hour. But I
33:32
Speaker 3: wanted to spend a little bit of time on this
33:33
Speaker 3: defensive tackle story. Leonard Williams in the last twenty four
33:37
Speaker 3: hours news cycle, perhaps being talked to about an extension.
33:42
Speaker 3: And then we've had the Jalen Carter story this week, Hugh,
33:46
Speaker 3: where he broke the bank for defensive tackles. I mean,
33:49
Speaker 3: damn near forty million dollars per year for him going
33:53
Speaker 3: forward with the Philadelphia Eagles. And we have a defensive
33:55
Speaker 3: tackle that some people are putting in that on that
33:59
Speaker 3: top shell Byron Murphy. And then you got Leonard Williams,
34:03
Speaker 3: who some people put on that top shelf. So as
34:06
Speaker 3: we're thinking about the president and the future of the
34:09
Speaker 3: defensive tackle position for the Seattle Seahawks, I mean, how
34:12
Speaker 3: much money you willing to invest in these two guys
34:15
Speaker 3: going forward?
34:16
Speaker 4: I mean you have a salary cap in this league
34:19
Speaker 4: unlike the league that we were talking about in the last.
34:20
Speaker 7: See right, Well, I want to do whatever it takes.
34:24
Speaker 7: Leonard Williams, Now he just turned thirty two. Gemini by
34:29
Speaker 7: the way, oh is he? Yeah, because all the Geminis
34:34
Speaker 7: on online.
34:37
Speaker 4: All have this oh my god, this absurdity.
34:43
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when he and I get together, there's four
34:47
Speaker 3: of us.
34:47
Speaker 4: Don't kid yourself anyway.
34:51
Speaker 7: Anyways, Well that that Gemini, uh is just turned thirty two.
34:56
Speaker 4: You don't have to pay, both of you just have
34:58
Speaker 4: to pay. That's my anniversary. Oh wow.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want to let him walk. He was
35:06
Speaker 7: just named for what it's worth ESPN pulled a bunch
35:11
Speaker 7: of gms and coaches and and he was named the
35:14
Speaker 7: number one defensive tackle in football and then Byron Murphy. Uh.
35:21
Speaker 7: You know, you could argue that that he's as important
35:25
Speaker 7: as anybody on the defense, that nobody is more impact
35:28
Speaker 7: right than Oh yeah, I don't think that Mike McDonald
35:31
Speaker 7: would scoff at that. I mean, he has a great
35:34
Speaker 7: ability to uh to create mayhem.
35:38
Speaker 4: Uh.
35:38
Speaker 7: He has a very unique style that when he gets
35:40
Speaker 7: double teamed, he drops to one knee. He's already short enough,
35:46
Speaker 7: but he drops to one knee so that he doesn't
35:49
Speaker 7: get moved out of the hole. And then he's at
35:53
Speaker 7: some point the double team is going to turn into
35:56
Speaker 7: a single team. Because whether you're talking about gap schemes
35:59
Speaker 7: by the offer fence, which is power encounter that's where
36:03
Speaker 7: you're blocking down at the ball at the point of
36:05
Speaker 7: attack and you're pulling backside guards, whether you're talking about that,
36:09
Speaker 7: or whether you're talking about zone blocking where everybody's moving
36:12
Speaker 7: in unison towards the point of attack. Either scheme, the
36:16
Speaker 7: double team eventually turns into a single team. So then
36:20
Speaker 7: when he turns into a single team, he rises off
36:22
Speaker 7: his knee and he's able to shed a blocker and
36:26
Speaker 7: make plays. It's it's the damnedest thing. And so but
36:32
Speaker 7: you know, his his contributions even when he is not
36:37
Speaker 7: making the plays, the degree to which he again doesn't
36:41
Speaker 7: get moved out and forces the running back to uh
36:46
Speaker 7: to move laterally and allowing other players to make the play.
36:50
Speaker 7: Oftentimes you retrace, re engineer the play. So how did
36:53
Speaker 7: Sihaks get that tackle for loss or get that stop?
36:57
Speaker 7: And you say, well, the core of the play, it
37:00
Speaker 7: was Buyer Murphy and how he he held his ground
37:03
Speaker 7: and then was able to to influence the runner to
37:07
Speaker 7: go laterally or change his angle. So yeah, no, I
37:11
Speaker 7: think Mike McDonald wants no part of any discussion with
37:15
Speaker 7: Byer Murphy not being in his lineup.
37:18
Speaker 4: Forty million, thirty.
37:21
Speaker 3: Obviously there's obviously there's So this is not like last
37:24
Speaker 3: segment I said I would get rid of either Kirby
37:26
Speaker 3: or Gilbert this offseason.
37:28
Speaker 4: You're saying, no, no, this isn't an either or both.
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Speaker 4: Got to keep them both or you want to get well.
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Speaker 7: Now you accurately point there's a there's a threshold for everybody.
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Speaker 7: I mean, believe it or not, there's a threshold for
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Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
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Speaker 7: If the if, the if, the if, the salary cap
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Speaker 7: is three hundred and two million, right, you know you're
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Speaker 7: not gonna let Pat Mahomes take ninety nine percent of
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Speaker 7: the salary cap, right right, So every single player in
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Speaker 7: the league has a lid. And I don't know what
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Speaker 7: Mike McDonald and John Schnyder would agree, is Okay, that's
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Speaker 7: too much. But what I'm trying to impart to mar
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Speaker 7: the market right, Yeah, I think market rate and just
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Speaker 7: figure it out. Yeah, yeah, figure it out both of them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they are of the highest priority.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have the highest want to see this
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Speaker 3: defense operate without either one of them at this stage,
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Speaker 3: I mean, I get yeah, all right, Coming up next,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about the passing game with our QB one here,
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Speaker 3: because I'm wondering, without Ken Walker and with a rookie
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Speaker 3: running back, are they are we going to pass a
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Speaker 3: little bit more this year? And even when we do pass,
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Speaker 3: how do how how do you think Sam Darnold's going
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Speaker 3: to distribute this sucker with all of these weapons that
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Speaker 3: everybody is expecting to catch more balls this year, So
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Speaker 3: we're
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Speaker 4: Gonna get into that X Sports Radio ninety three point
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