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Sharri | 20 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. Massive show tonight the Red Cross embarrassed after
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Speaker 2: Hermas terrorists swarmed their convoys. Are these brutes really the
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Speaker 2: heroes of lefty students and the international community? Plus what's
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Speaker 2: next for the hostages who finally came home last night?
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, will cross to Washington ahead of
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Speaker 2: Trump's inauguration, and I'll tell you which high profile Australian
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Speaker 2: hopped in the secret Service motorcade. Also tonight, the deeply
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Speaker 2: serious allegations which led to the departure of Nine's news
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Speaker 2: boss are revealed for the first time. It's worse than
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Speaker 2: previously thought. That exclusive story in a moment, and Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Mark Dreyfus is called out over Labour's anti Israel campaign.
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Speaker 2: Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell would join me live
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Speaker 2: a bit later, but first tonight. Nothing shows the stark
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Speaker 2: difference between the barbaric terrorism of her Musk controlled Gaza
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Speaker 2: and the peaceful celebration of love in Israel than the
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Speaker 2: images we saw overnight. Three innocent girls finally being freed
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Speaker 2: from brutes were surrounded by her muss and jeering Palestinians.
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Speaker 2: Even as they were being put in Red Cross ambulances.
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Speaker 2: This disgusting display of terrorsm of brutality, it's everything we
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Speaker 2: should and do reject as a Western democracy when we
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Speaker 2: talk about misogyny and the Me too movement, But look
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Speaker 2: at this young girls surrounded by terrorism as they're put
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Speaker 2: in Red Cross ambulances. As you can see Hamas literally
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Speaker 2: crawling all over the Red Cross vehicles. It's appalling brutality.
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Speaker 2: It's beyond misogyny. It's rape culture, it's intimidation, it's terrorism
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Speaker 2: and the celebration of terror. And this is the place
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Speaker 2: that Pennywang and Anthony Albanesi and the entire moorally corrupt
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Speaker 2: federal labor government would like to reward with statehood.
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Speaker 3: It demands.
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Speaker 4: The recognition of Palestinian Palestinians aspirations for statehood.
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Speaker 2: To that demand that they make over and over again,
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Speaker 2: I say, are you joking? Get real? These brutes can't
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Speaker 2: have a seat at the United Nations or any other
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Speaker 2: international body alongside properly functioning human beings. Those scenes overnight
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Speaker 2: should once and for all put an end to the
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Speaker 2: discussion about recognition of a Palestinian state unless there's total
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Speaker 2: reform and new leadership. Gaza is broken. They can be
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Speaker 2: no statehood right now. They don't deserve it. After October
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Speaker 2: seven and the abhorrent war crimes of taking girls, even
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Speaker 2: a baby and a child hostage. They can't possibly contribute
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Speaker 2: to discover ussions about civilization when they rape, behead and
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Speaker 2: kidnap innocent people. Those powerful and shocking images of a
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Speaker 2: Jewish girl de ron Steinbrecher surrounded by terrorists, they will
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Speaker 2: become historic. Look at the fear in her face. This
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Speaker 2: is one brave woman, a warrior. She, along with the
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Speaker 2: other girls, they are the very symbols of defiance, of strength,
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Speaker 2: of positivity, of an unbreakable spirit that wasn't defeated despite
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Speaker 2: the cruelty around them. All of this footage that we've seen,
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Speaker 2: it also shows quite sadly that despite the incredible headway
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Speaker 2: Israel has made over the past fifteen months, Hamas is
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Speaker 2: still thriving and in control. The cowardly cockroaches hid under
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Speaker 2: schools and hospitals, and they've only come out onto the
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Speaker 2: streets in the open because there's a ceasefire. And with
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Speaker 2: images like this of Harmas gunmen standing on top of
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Speaker 2: Red Cross ambulances, well it's pretty easy to see how
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Speaker 2: they've been looting a trucks that Israel has sent into
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Speaker 2: Gaza as well. It's a fact the international community has ignored,
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Speaker 2: as they prefer to blame Israel for not providing enough aid.
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Speaker 2: Now I know the sight of the Red Cross van
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Speaker 2: stepping into the spotlight at this pivotal moment coming to
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Speaker 2: the rescue, well, it was frustrating. They were there for
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Speaker 2: the publicity, but like all the other aid organizations, the
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Speaker 2: Red Cross didn't lift a finger to help the hostages
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Speaker 2: the entire time they were in Gaza, and many still
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Speaker 2: remain they're humanitarian hypocrites. Did they object at all as
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Speaker 2: Hamas swarmed their vehicles, overwhelming these young girls. And you
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Speaker 2: have to look by contrast at the joyous, emotional, peaceful,
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Speaker 2: loving vigils that were held in Israel overnight.
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Speaker 1: Or more not locking.
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Speaker 4: Thee but I feel like it.
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Speaker 1: That's money.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't be more different, families singing, hugging and crying
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Speaker 2: as three beautiful girls were finally brought home, Emily de
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Speaker 2: Maari romy gone In and Doron Steinbrecher, young girls who
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Speaker 2: should never have endured, not even one day, let alone
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Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy one days in cruel and barbarica
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Speaker 2: mask captivity, and we saw their emotional reunions with their
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Speaker 2: mothers and their family. Here's Emily, the twenty eight year
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Speaker 2: old British Israeli reunited with her family and friends after
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Speaker 2: she was kidnapped from her home at the Kafar Azakibutz
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Speaker 2: in Israel on October sevenious Or Harmas shot her dog
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Speaker 2: and they shot her as well, and as you saw there,
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Speaker 2: she's missing two fingers. Then there's romy Gone aged twenty four,
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Speaker 2: and she was abducted from the Nova Music festival and
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Speaker 2: here you can see her embracing her family, and Doron Steinbrecher,
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Speaker 2: also kidnapped from Kiboltz kava Za, clung to her family
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Speaker 2: in another emotional reunion. We can't even begin to comprehend
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Speaker 2: the unbearable pain these girls and their families have endured
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Speaker 2: for the past fifteen months. And there are still thirty
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Speaker 2: more hostages for release in this first phase of the deal,
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Speaker 2: although we know not all are alive. And then there's
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Speaker 2: another sixty hostages after that, again not all are alive.
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Speaker 2: To secure their return, Israel was forced into a deal
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Speaker 2: when ninety three Palestinian prisoners, including criminals and terrorists were released.
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Speaker 2: That's for the first three girls. As Alan Dershowitz says,
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Speaker 2: this isn't a deal, It's an extor. He said the
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Speaker 2: decision by the Israeli government to make significant concessions to
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Speaker 2: the Harmas kidnappers should never be called a deal. It
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Speaker 2: was an extortion. The kidnapping was a crime, and the
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Speaker 2: extortionate demand was an additional crime. And Dershowitz also talks
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Speaker 2: about all of those who campaigned on the side of
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Speaker 2: those brutal her Musk terrorists over the past year, and
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Speaker 2: he says they're all complicit in this war crime. Especially
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Speaker 2: complicit with blood on their hands are supporters of Harmas
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Speaker 2: on university campusses who chart for interfada and revolution. Also
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Speaker 2: complicit are international organizations such as the International Criminal Court
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Speaker 2: that treat Israel and her Mus as equals. Let us
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Speaker 2: put the blame for all the deaths in Gaza where
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Speaker 2: it belongs on her mus and the useful idiots and
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Speaker 2: useful bigots who support murderous terrorists. With Trump's inauguration tonight
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Speaker 2: our time, we should see a very different attitude to
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Speaker 2: those who support terror in the West, and judging by
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Speaker 2: the scenes overnight where Hermas appears to steal control the
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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip. It's pretty clear that Donald Trump and Benjamin
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Speaker 2: Netanyahu will inevitably need to resume the war against the
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Speaker 2: terror group once this hostage release and temporary cease fire
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Speaker 2: is over. Both have said they're prepared to do this.
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Speaker 2: Trump has already pledged to lift weapons restrictions on Israel
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Speaker 2: that Biden had imposed. Unlike Joe Biden, unlike Albineasi, Trump
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Speaker 2: will support nedin Yahoo and together they won't be weak
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Speaker 2: on terror. It's a resolve we've desperately needed right around
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Speaker 2: the world, as the anti Semites have been emboldened and
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Speaker 2: our hostages, innocent as they may be, have been an afterthought.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's return to this saga a Channel nine.
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Speaker 2: But right now I've got new information that's never been
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Speaker 2: reported before, and it is very serious and it is distressing.
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Speaker 2: High profile journalist Ellie Walsh has reached a confidential settlement
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Speaker 2: with nine after she made explosive allegations against the network
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Speaker 2: relating to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and her treatment at
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Speaker 2: work during her pregnancy. So I can reveal tonight that
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Speaker 2: Walsh was the original television reporter who lodged the very
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Speaker 2: first complaint against the now disgraced news boss Darren Wick,
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Speaker 2: and this led to his departure from the network. At
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Speaker 2: the time she made the complaint through lawyers, Wick was
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Speaker 2: a powerful television executive. He was considered untouchable in the newsroom.
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Speaker 2: Walsh's complaint then led to a string event of events
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Speaker 2: at nine, including a culture review where hundreds of women
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Speaker 2: were interviewed about their own experiences, and this revealed a
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Speaker 2: toxic culture. There were other allegations of sexual harassment and
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Speaker 2: also bullying complaints. Now you'll recall that Nine denied repeatedly
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Speaker 2: initially that Wick's departure from the network was related to
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Speaker 2: any allegation of inappropriate behavior. They attempted to cover up
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Speaker 2: this scandal and they would have been successful, but news
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Speaker 2: of an anonymous complaint, and we didn't know that it
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Speaker 2: was Ali Walsh who made it. It was an anonymous
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Speaker 2: complaint was eventually published by the Australian newspaper on that
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Speaker 2: same day. On this show, we revealed a history of
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Speaker 2: sexual harassment allegations against Wick and a toxic culture that
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Speaker 2: had been swept under the carpet by the network. Walsh's
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Speaker 2: initial complaint sparked a domino effect, with other female journalists
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Speaker 2: at nine then deciding to speak up about their own
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Speaker 2: experiences relating to harassment, bullying, and other issues, and this
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Speaker 2: entire affair ultimately contributed to the departure of the CEO,
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Speaker 2: Mike sneeeseby the chairman Peter Costello, another senior news executive
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Speaker 2: Simon Hobbs, and the head of Communications, Victoria Bucken. Ellie
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Speaker 2: Walsh also launched a sex discrimination case against Nine in
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Speaker 2: the federal court, a case that has now been settled
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Speaker 2: during mediation. Walsh's a talented television reporter, and she said
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Speaker 2: she made the difficult decision to engage lawyers and in
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Speaker 2: her own words, to try to write a number of wrongs.
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Speaker 2: Now for the first time I can reveal that these
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Speaker 2: wrongs did include an allegation of sexual assault, also sexual harassment,
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Speaker 2: along with allegations of how she was treated by management
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Speaker 2: during her pregnancy, which was considered high risk. Wick, as
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Speaker 2: you know, denied claims of wrongdoing. Now in a statement today,
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Speaker 2: Walsh spoke about her decision to take legal action, and
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Speaker 2: she said during this time more women bravely came forward.
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Speaker 2: Nine conducted a culture review and many of my broadcast
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Speaker 2: colleagues contributed their experiences in doing so. I was buoyed.
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Speaker 2: It turns out courage is contagious. She said, Well, this
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Speaker 2: isn't the way I wanted to leave nine. I'm filled
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Speaker 2: with gratitude towards those who made me a better journalist
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Speaker 2: in person, and I'm relieved the legal process has been resolved.
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Speaker 2: And before all of this, Walsh had been at nine
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Speaker 2: for fifteen years, covering news, reporting politics in Canberra and
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Speaker 2: working for the Today Show. She's a popular journalist and
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Speaker 2: she has been rightly supported by many colleagues at nine,
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Speaker 2: including publicly by two GB host Ben Fordham. Now, the
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Speaker 2: United States is on the eve of ushering in a
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Speaker 2: new wave of politics, the inauguration of Donald Trump just
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Speaker 2: hours away. It's going to take place at three in
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Speaker 2: the morning our time. You can watch all the coverage
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Speaker 2: on Sky News Live. It'll be your second night staying
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Speaker 2: up till three am, because I know many of you
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Speaker 2: were up at the same hour watching the hostages released
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Speaker 2: last night. Now for more details of what it's like
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Speaker 2: on the ground, I spoke to my colleague Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: a little earlier. Chris Kenny, thanks for joining us in Washington.
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Speaker 2: You're there, of course for Trump's inauguration. There'll be billions
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Speaker 2: of people tuned in around the world. What can we
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Speaker 2: expect tonight at the inauguration?
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Speaker 5: Great to talk to your sherry.
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Speaker 6: It's bitterly cold here in DC about minus four at
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Speaker 6: the moment.
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Speaker 5: It's going to be minus ten.
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Speaker 6: Tomorrow on inauguration day, which is why everything's been moved inside.
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Speaker 6: When you say what to expect with Donald Trump, will
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Speaker 6: expect the unexpected. I suppose he really is promising to
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Speaker 6: hit the ground running. Says that once he's been sworn in,
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Speaker 6: though once the inauguration's over, he's going to sign one
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Speaker 6: hundred executive orders in the first day.
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Speaker 5: A lot of his supporters believe this.
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Speaker 6: They really believe he understands he's got a window of
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Speaker 6: opportunity here. He has to act quickly, so, especially in
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Speaker 6: the first two years before the midterms could knock out
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Speaker 6: his congressional majority and the like. So we expect Trump
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Speaker 6: to go full speed ahead with his agenda, which I
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Speaker 6: suppose the world is already seeing now even before his inauguration,
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Speaker 6: but after about midday to Murrow a lookout.
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Speaker 2: Chris, quite a few high profile Australians are over there
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Speaker 2: for this special event. Can you tell us a bit
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Speaker 2: about who'll be there.
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Speaker 5: Well, I haven't seen all of them. I believe Gina
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Speaker 5: Ryan Harts in town.
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Speaker 6: I know Joel Fitzgibbon, the former Labor Defense Minister, will
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Speaker 6: be in town. There's a lot of people flooding in
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Speaker 6: from all around the United States. Of course, there's going
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Speaker 6: to be fascinating to see who Donald Trump has in
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Speaker 6: the rotunda in the Capitol building behind me. Of course,
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Speaker 6: the whole thing moved in side, so they can only
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Speaker 6: have about six hundred guests in that rotunda under the
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Speaker 6: dome of the Capitol. So those six hundred, when you
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Speaker 6: take make allowances for the officials and the former presidents
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Speaker 6: and the like, there's probably going to be five hundred
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Speaker 6: of Donald Trump's favorite people.
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Speaker 5: So look out for who gets that gig.
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Speaker 6: And then after that, of course, there's an indoor rallyer
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Speaker 6: dressed up as the inauguration parade.
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Speaker 5: There'll be balls.
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Speaker 6: There's at least three balls the President's going to tomorrow
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Speaker 6: night one.
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Speaker 5: It's a Union station just over the way here. So
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in town ready for these events.
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Speaker 6: But there's so many punters, so many mainstream Americans. Trump
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Speaker 6: supporters from Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, from the Midwest.
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Speaker 5: They've all come into town.
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Speaker 6: They're disappointed they're not going to get the parade down
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Speaker 6: Pennsylvania Avenue, but they'll be here anyway. I think they'll
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Speaker 6: hit the streets and try and see the modicade all
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Speaker 6: the same, and many of them planning to be in
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Speaker 6: bars and pubs and watch it all on TV.
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Speaker 2: Chris, you interviewed Steve Bannon today. He's raised some concerns
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Speaker 2: about Elon Musk and just how close he might be
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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. How do you see that playing out,
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Speaker 2: and what are Bannon's thoughts on Trump's second term.
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Speaker 6: Yes, Steve Bannon was fascinating to catch up with today.
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Speaker 6: He was with a bunch of other right wing supporters,
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Speaker 6: if you like, they see this is the coming of
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Speaker 6: a new dawn.
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Speaker 5: Really. And Steve Bannon, of course, who was the.
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Speaker 6: Chief strategist that helped get Donald Trump into the White
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Speaker 6: House the first time, and then was one of the
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Speaker 6: many leading figures who left the White House. He ended
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Speaker 6: up serving jail terms after because of some of his
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Speaker 6: breach of some of the protocols around congressional hearings into
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Speaker 6: January the sixth and all.
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Speaker 5: The rest of it. I thought he'd be a little
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Speaker 5: bit more critical of Trump.
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Speaker 6: He's very full on, very bullish, not just about Trump
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Speaker 6: and his agenda, but also about his team, about Marco
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Speaker 6: Rubio and the rest of them. Didn't take a swipe
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Speaker 6: at Elon Musk. So he thinks that Donald Trump is
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Speaker 6: going to do everything in this term that he wished
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Speaker 6: she had done in the first term. So here's a
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Speaker 6: little bit of what Steve and had to say and.
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Speaker 4: What he's got to Some of his toughest warriors, the
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Speaker 4: most combat hardened.
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Speaker 5: Are on the outside. But we're all ready to go.
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Speaker 5: We're ready to go, particularly for tomorrow.
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Speaker 7: I would tell your audience you're about to see in
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five a year in American politics and international politics,
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Speaker 7: liberal politics that has never been seen in modern times.
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Speaker 2: So just stand by strap In, Chris. You followed this
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Speaker 2: issue as closely as I do. We saw last night
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Speaker 2: some of the hostages finally released. Trump has signaled a
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Speaker 2: firm commitment to help NAT and Yahoo in Israel. He'll
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Speaker 2: be much stronger than Biden, won't he.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt about that, Sharry, we would not
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Speaker 6: see these hostages out overnight today and hopefully more tomorrow
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Speaker 6: without Trump winning the last election. His threats against Hamas
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Speaker 6: and his pressure on Israel have obviously led to this
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Speaker 6: ceasefire and the hostage deal.
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Speaker 5: But like me, Sharry, I'm certain.
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Speaker 6: You've felt mixed feelings today, the joy and relief for
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Speaker 6: those hostages, but the anger and outrage freeing Hummus terrorists,
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Speaker 6: thirty of them for each one of these innocent Israeli
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Speaker 6: women taken hostage, the other hostages that are dead, the
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Speaker 6: other hostages that are held, the thousands of Israeli lives
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Speaker 6: lost and tens of thousands of Palestinian lives lost, all
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Speaker 6: because of the horrors of Hummus, an organization that everybody
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Speaker 6: agrees should be destroyed, yet they're the ones everybody's having to.
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Speaker 5: Deal with to get these hostages free.
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Speaker 6: The one thing Donald Trump keeps saying he certainly claimed
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Speaker 6: credit for the ceasefire in his rally in DC just
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Speaker 6: down the road here earlier today, but.
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Speaker 5: He's also stressed if Hummus does.
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Speaker 6: Not stick to the terms of the ceasefire, then there
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Speaker 6: will be all held to pay.
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Speaker 5: That term he's used in the past.
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Speaker 6: So he's going to make sure that they follow through
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Speaker 6: on this, and let's hope so, because every step of
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Speaker 6: this process is fraught with danger. You were dealing with
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Speaker 6: a terrorist organization, not any sort of reasonable organization that's
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Speaker 6: been running Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you so much for your time, and we
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Speaker 2: look forward to your week of coverage in the US.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Sherry, you too, and don't forget. You can set
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Speaker 2: your alarm at three am and turn on Sky News
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Speaker 2: to watch the full inauguration coverage. All right, let's return
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Speaker 2: to the emotional scenes of the hostages coming home finally
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Speaker 2: after four hundred and seventy one days to Israel. And
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Speaker 2: joining me now is former British commander Colonel Richard Camp.
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Speaker 2: He led troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Richard, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much once again for your time. Firstly, I want
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Speaker 2: to ask I want to ask you what your opinion
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Speaker 2: was of those horrific scenes where we saw literally Hermas
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Speaker 2: terrorists overrunning Red Cross vehicles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think not just to mass terrorists, but we've also
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Speaker 7: seen civilians, men and boys spitting on the hostages as
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Speaker 7: they were being.
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Speaker 1: Prepared for handover.
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Speaker 7: So content and abuse of these hostages to the very end.
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Speaker 2: Look, it seems like the terror group is still thriving
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. You know, they've come out from beneath the
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Speaker 2: hospitals and the schools where they've been in hiding. Look,
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Speaker 2: do you think after this hostage deal and temporary ceasefire,
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Speaker 2: and we do have to make the point it is
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Speaker 2: a temporary ceasefire, do you think that given they're still
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Speaker 2: running the show in Gaza, Israel and the United States
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Speaker 2: will need to return to defeating Hermas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got no doubt about that.
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Speaker 7: I think we you know, we've seen obviously the very
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Speaker 7: we're very grateful, I think to see the release of
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Speaker 7: the first few hostages already. Hopefully more will follow during
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Speaker 7: this phase of the ceasefire. But in my view, her
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Speaker 7: Master's unlikely to hand over all of the hostages. They're
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Speaker 7: there major bargaining chip. They're going to want to keep
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Speaker 7: hold of them, I think on pretty much a permanent basis.
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Speaker 7: Some of them, the ones that are not have not
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Speaker 7: been agreed to be handed over. But her Mass has
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Speaker 7: been very badly destroyed, very badly damaged, but it still
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Speaker 7: has elements intact, They're not as effective as certainly as
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Speaker 7: they have been earlier on in the war, but their
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Speaker 7: numbers are going to be boosted. The ones that have
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Speaker 7: been killed are going to be boosted by the release
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Speaker 7: of more than a thousand hardened terrorists who are held
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Speaker 7: prisoner by the Israelis and who some of whom at
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Speaker 7: least will be returning to Gaza. So the situation that
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Speaker 7: we've got at present in Gaza is one whereby it
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Speaker 7: simply cannot be allowed to continue. And you're right, I
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Speaker 7: think to emphasize a temporary ceasefire. Ha mass will undoubtedly
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Speaker 7: be breaching that ceasefire at some point in Israel will
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Speaker 7: have to return and really finish off the job. I
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Speaker 7: think you know that. I can understand what painful though
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Speaker 7: it was to have to be to basically be forced
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Speaker 7: to release over one thousand hostages back although that was.
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Speaker 2: Well criminals and terrorists, do you mean?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And you're absolutely right to pick me up on
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Speaker 7: that point, because some in the UK media at least
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Speaker 7: have been talking about a hostage swap.
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Speaker 1: These are not hostages.
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Speaker 7: These are hardened terrorists who have been lawfully held prisoner
24:18
Speaker 7: by the Israelis being exchanged for for hostages who have
24:25
Speaker 7: been seized, abused, in some cases, rape, tortured, and murdered
24:29
Speaker 7: by her mass So there is no equivalence there, and
24:31
Speaker 7: thank you for picking me up on it. But I
24:34
Speaker 7: don't think there's any you know, there's no question really
24:36
Speaker 7: that this evil has got to be defeated, and it
24:40
Speaker 7: hasn't yet been defeated, and it will, I hope be
24:43
Speaker 7: defeated once this hostage, once the.
24:47
Speaker 2: Ceasefire ends, and with Trump's support, because it is going
24:50
Speaker 2: to make it a big difference. Don't you think that
24:53
Speaker 2: there is now a president, there will be a president
24:55
Speaker 2: who unequivocally supports Israel and its efforts to prevail over terrorism.
25:01
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think we can expect a very
25:03
Speaker 2: different attitude from.
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Speaker 1: The US, And absolutely can. I hope we can.
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Speaker 7: And you know, we've already had assurances from President Trump
25:14
Speaker 7: himself and also from his National Security Advisor designate that
25:20
Speaker 7: if Israel feels the need to go back into Gaza
25:24
Speaker 7: and finish off this problem, then it will have one
25:28
Speaker 7: hundred percent support of.
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Speaker 1: The United States of America.
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Speaker 7: And it certainly hasn't had one hundred percent support from
25:34
Speaker 7: the Biden administration.
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Speaker 1: It's got a lot of.
25:36
Speaker 7: Support, but it's always been restrained and held back by Biden.
25:40
Speaker 1: I hope Trump isn't going to do that, and I
25:42
Speaker 1: think part of this whole deal.
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Speaker 7: You know, many people have found this deal unsatisfactory and
25:47
Speaker 7: I can understand why. But I do believe it forms
25:50
Speaker 7: part of a much wider strategy for the Middle East
25:53
Speaker 7: that's been agreed between Trump and also Prime Minister and Yahoo,
25:58
Speaker 7: which will involve I hope, and it needs to involve
26:02
Speaker 7: dealing with Iran, which is basically the head.
26:04
Speaker 1: Of the.
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Speaker 2: Exactly and the nuclear threat that around continues to pose.
26:09
Speaker 2: All Right, Richard cambois a pleasure to have you on
26:11
Speaker 2: the program. Thank you so much for your insights. Now
26:15
Speaker 2: let's bring in The Australian's chief political correspondent, Jeff Chambers. Jeff,
26:19
Speaker 2: great to see you. Look, we're all wondering when the
26:22
Speaker 2: federal election is going to be held. Are we expecting
26:26
Speaker 2: MPs to return to Canberra in February or is Albanize
26:29
Speaker 2: going to call it before then? What are your thoughts
26:32
Speaker 2: on the Prime Minister's options at this point.
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Speaker 8: Hi, Scharry, I think we're almost near one hundred percent
26:40
Speaker 8: now that Anthony Alberanezi will return in that first week
26:45
Speaker 8: of February. It's slated for a fortnight of sittings. The
26:49
Speaker 8: big question mark is the calculation of the Prime Minister
26:53
Speaker 8: has to make now as to whether he will follow
26:57
Speaker 8: through with what he said publicly, which is to run
26:59
Speaker 8: full term to May, or whether he needs to go early,
27:04
Speaker 8: looking towards March or April. My understanding is that they
27:09
Speaker 8: were never going to go to the back end of
27:10
Speaker 8: last year.
27:10
Speaker 5: There was too many things going wrong.
27:13
Speaker 1: That they were looking.
27:14
Speaker 8: They were looking seriously at February, March, April and May options,
27:19
Speaker 8: and we've got some RBA meetings coming up next month
27:22
Speaker 8: in the next few weeks, and some key economic data.
27:27
Speaker 8: My sense and I think he's being urged this by
27:29
Speaker 8: some of his really spooked MPs, some of those many
27:33
Speaker 8: of those who are on track to lose their seat,
27:36
Speaker 8: that there is no point in waiting, that they need
27:40
Speaker 8: to go when they can win, even if that means
27:42
Speaker 8: a slim minority.
27:43
Speaker 2: Government, and so they'll be closely monitoring polling, perhaps even
27:47
Speaker 2: overnight polling if it gets to that. Jeff, You've written
27:51
Speaker 2: an article in The Australia and which looks at the
27:54
Speaker 2: limited experience really of Albaneze's cabinet and just how many
27:59
Speaker 2: actually have business experience under their belts. Do you think
28:04
Speaker 2: this lack of experience is contributing to the problems that
28:07
Speaker 2: his government is having in connecting with voters because they
28:11
Speaker 2: just see his team as totally out of touch.
28:15
Speaker 8: Well, interestingly, I've had a lot of feedback on this piece.
28:20
Speaker 8: It's a fairly obvious piece, but it's one to work.
28:22
Speaker 8: It's always worth pointing out to look at what the
28:25
Speaker 8: real real world experiences are labors cabinet versus the coalist
28:30
Speaker 8: and shadow cabinet. And some of these senior labor figures
28:33
Speaker 8: have told me over the weekend that they've never seen
28:36
Speaker 8: such a concentration of union ex union officials or political
28:40
Speaker 8: staffers in a labor government cabinet in history. And this
28:45
Speaker 8: is a concerning trend for labor. There was a time
28:48
Speaker 8: when you had teachers, truck drivers, miners, obviously some union affiliation,
28:53
Speaker 8: but real world experience. And it's not to say that
28:56
Speaker 8: they work any less than their counterparts on the other side,
29:00
Speaker 8: but you know, when you've got ex police officers, ex soldiers, farmers,
29:06
Speaker 8: people that have actually run a business, you're going to
29:09
Speaker 8: come at things differently. You're going to have a different
29:11
Speaker 8: approach and perspective around policy issues and connecting with people.
29:16
Speaker 8: So I think that there is some consternation in labor
29:22
Speaker 8: ranks about how do they modernize and stay relevant in
29:25
Speaker 8: the future.
29:26
Speaker 2: Jeff Peter Dutton was in Sydney today. He went to
29:29
Speaker 2: Central Synagogue and he announced new laws to deal with
29:31
Speaker 2: anti Semitism. He wants a minimum six year sentence for
29:35
Speaker 2: terror offenses, also a minimum twelve month sentence for displaying
29:39
Speaker 2: hate symbols. Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 9: I give this absolute commitment to the Istralian people if
29:45
Speaker 9: elected as Prime Minister, we will provide the resources, we
29:50
Speaker 9: will provide the legislation and we will provide the will
29:54
Speaker 9: to stamp out anti Semitism in our country and to
29:57
Speaker 9: send a very clear message that that is not going
29:59
Speaker 9: to to be tolerated in any form whatsoever, and that
30:03
Speaker 9: will happen from day one.
30:05
Speaker 2: Look, the Prime Minister was asked to respond to all
30:08
Speaker 2: of this today and he is still rejecting an anti
30:12
Speaker 2: semitism national Cabinet.
30:17
Speaker 10: National cab.
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Speaker 1: Well.
30:19
Speaker 11: I convening a meeting with New South Wales and Victoria
30:24
Speaker 11: that took place last week in order to take that
30:29
Speaker 11: strong action, and what people want to say isn't more meetings.
30:31
Speaker 5: So I want to see more action, Jeff.
30:35
Speaker 2: It's not just the Jewish community, but all Australians would
30:38
Speaker 2: be welcoming stronger action against terrorism. Why won't Albanesi just
30:43
Speaker 2: you know, take a tough position.
30:47
Speaker 8: Anthony Aberanezi and some of his senior cabinet members have
30:50
Speaker 8: been playing catch up for fifteen months now, and I
30:53
Speaker 8: think when you look at Peter Dutton, he's been unequivocal
30:57
Speaker 8: and he's been consistent from day one, and I think
31:00
Speaker 8: that is resonating. And obviously he's putting forward clear, concrete
31:05
Speaker 8: actions to tackle and fight this scourge of anti Semitism.
31:09
Speaker 8: But I think more broadly, the majority of Australians are
31:13
Speaker 8: seeing these awful images on TV, on social media and
31:19
Speaker 8: they are feeling that Australia is becoming that there is
31:23
Speaker 8: lawlessness in this country and that there is greater division.
31:27
Speaker 8: And when it comes to focus groups and polling, you know,
31:31
Speaker 8: this is usually a state issue, but what we're seeing
31:33
Speaker 8: is that crime and public safety are really coming to
31:38
Speaker 8: the fore. And I think this is what Peter Dunton.
31:41
Speaker 8: He's not looking at this from a political perspective. He's
31:44
Speaker 8: looking at trying to actually fix the problem. And I
31:46
Speaker 8: think this is where we see Anthony Abnez exactly. We
31:50
Speaker 8: see Anthony abne Tony Burke and others. They seem to
31:53
Speaker 8: take their cues in response to incidents. So you know,
31:57
Speaker 8: whether it's a premier who is putting forward something, they
32:00
Speaker 8: will react to that, whether it's them trying to set
32:04
Speaker 8: up a police task force months after it probably was required,
32:09
Speaker 8: and we still want to know and still need to
32:12
Speaker 8: see some tangible outcomes from this police task force. And
32:15
Speaker 8: they seem to shift that responsibility elsewhere and expect others
32:19
Speaker 8: to look after the problem for them.
32:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And you can just see when they speak
32:22
Speaker 2: that they don't care about it, whereas Dutton deeply does.
32:25
Speaker 2: He speaks with conviction on the issue. Right, Jeff Chambers,
32:28
Speaker 2: Great to have you back in twenty twenty five. We'll
32:30
Speaker 2: see you next week. Now. Hamasa's sick and twisted move
32:34
Speaker 2: when handing over hostages to the Red Cross, Well, I'm
32:37
Speaker 2: going to have an exclusive interview with the Deputy Foreign
32:40
Speaker 2: Minister of Israel, Sharan Haskell, and boy is she disappointed
32:44
Speaker 2: in Mark Dreyfus. Plus with Donald Trump's inauguration just hours away.
32:48
Speaker 2: Coochhagada would join me live to detail Watson his agenda
32:52
Speaker 2: on day one. That's after this quick break.
33:00
Speaker 5: Back.
33:00
Speaker 2: Well, last night in Washington, there was a private cocktail
33:03
Speaker 2: event at Peter Teel's DC Residents for Vice President elect JD.
33:08
Speaker 2: Vance and Australian businessman Anthony Pratt was among that a
33:12
Speaker 2: list attendees, along with Donald Trump junior Mark Zuckerberg and
33:16
Speaker 2: House speaker Mike Johnson. And my spies tell me that
33:20
Speaker 2: Anthony Pratt also hopped into Vance's secret service motorcade to
33:25
Speaker 2: attend his black tied dinner that night, and he's also
33:28
Speaker 2: now scored an invite to Trump's own dinner on the
33:31
Speaker 2: eve of his inauguration. Or to discuss who's in and
33:35
Speaker 2: who's out of Trump's inner circle. Joining me now in
33:37
Speaker 2: studio is Sky Newes contributor Kosha Data. Kosha, great to
33:41
Speaker 2: see you here. Look, tell us about who else has
33:44
Speaker 2: made it from Australia to Trump's team. You know some
33:48
Speaker 2: of it.
33:48
Speaker 12: I'm sure there are going to be people. It's top
33:50
Speaker 12: secret and we won't know until after the fact, but
33:52
Speaker 12: Pratt has been mentioned, Gina Ryan Hart, as you said
33:55
Speaker 12: as well, they both took out full page ads in
33:57
Speaker 12: the New York Times and neurok Post congratulating Trump. Maybe
34:00
Speaker 12: that had something to do with it. And also James
34:02
Speaker 12: Packer was seen at mar Lago dining with Trump and Musk,
34:05
Speaker 12: so maybe he's I wouldn't be surprised if he scored
34:07
Speaker 12: an invite as well.
34:08
Speaker 2: Trump has already announced a packed agenda for his first day.
34:13
Speaker 2: What can we expect.
34:14
Speaker 12: I think the tonality of the messages, who's going to
34:18
Speaker 12: be there, who's not going to be there, their expressions,
34:20
Speaker 12: their body language, all of that is going to make
34:22
Speaker 12: a lot of news. And then right after that, he's
34:24
Speaker 12: reportedly got one hundred to even two hundred executive orders
34:27
Speaker 12: queued up for day one. Typically president's release about fifty
34:31
Speaker 12: to sixty per year, so he is hitting the ground running.
34:34
Speaker 12: We're hearing talk of declassification Martin Luther King files JFK files.
34:39
Speaker 12: We'll see if that happens. The J six pardons is
34:42
Speaker 12: another big thing that there's high expectations. It's a little
34:45
Speaker 12: bit controversial and people are expecting that as well. And
34:47
Speaker 12: I just think a slew of deregulations as well, right
34:49
Speaker 12: out of the gate.
34:50
Speaker 2: I also read a fascinating one that I think Barry
34:53
Speaker 2: Waste broke the story about having an executive order relating
34:56
Speaker 2: to gender, so he's only going to have according to
34:59
Speaker 2: this report too, gender is a male and a female,
35:01
Speaker 2: so that'll be highly controversial. Now, what can we expect
35:05
Speaker 2: from the inauguration itself. It'll be three am our time,
35:08
Speaker 2: tonight Life coverage on Sky. I mean, Trump's the ultimate
35:11
Speaker 2: show man, so you'd hope it'll be entertaining.
35:14
Speaker 12: Yes, I think the rally, the victory rally already is
35:16
Speaker 12: so different. Nobody does that he won. He didn't need
35:19
Speaker 12: to do a rally, but he did it. I think
35:21
Speaker 12: you're going to see a lot of the tone of
35:23
Speaker 12: his speech and what he's going to say, what kind
35:25
Speaker 12: of premise it's going to take. I think it's gonna
35:27
Speaker 12: be a lot of victoriousness, a lot of redemption. Retribution
35:31
Speaker 12: has been this word that he's been using again controversially,
35:34
Speaker 12: but he says his success in America's success is his retribution.
35:37
Speaker 12: I think you're going to expect a lot of that.
35:40
Speaker 12: But I do think that it'll probably just still be
35:42
Speaker 12: very statesmanlike and presidential, the official business and speech, because
35:46
Speaker 12: he's been there before, he is the president and he
35:49
Speaker 12: can project that, and then it's going to be a
35:51
Speaker 12: way to those executive orders and the craziest news cycle
35:54
Speaker 12: I think for the next twenty four hours thereafter.
35:56
Speaker 5: Yeah.
35:56
Speaker 2: Absolutely, now very quickly before you go. I was surprised
36:00
Speaker 2: to hear him speak so strongly about TikTok and to
36:04
Speaker 2: commit to having it in America if only for making money.
36:08
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought this was you know, even Republicans
36:11
Speaker 2: were concerned about the security risk of TikTok.
36:14
Speaker 12: Some still are, like Senator Tom Cotton just came out
36:17
Speaker 12: against Trump, even though he is an ardent supporter. This
36:20
Speaker 12: is about a trade off of two issues, national security
36:22
Speaker 12: concerns with China and the CCP's involvement of the algorithms
36:26
Speaker 12: and data versus free speech and the fact that one
36:28
Speaker 12: hundred and seventy million Americans use it, millions of small
36:31
Speaker 12: business owners use it. It is an alternate platform to
36:34
Speaker 12: the other ones like Facebook and all that did censor
36:36
Speaker 12: speech and suppress the laptop story and all of that.
36:39
Speaker 12: So I think it's about balancing free speech protections with
36:41
Speaker 12: national security, and he's trying to see if there's a
36:43
Speaker 12: way to do both in how the divestiture would be executed.
36:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:47
Speaker 2: No, it's fascinating and never consistent principles on these sort
36:52
Speaker 2: of issues, but it's an interesting one to watch. Kosha Data,
36:55
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.
36:56
Speaker 12: Pleasure.
36:57
Speaker 2: Now still to come, Israel's deputy ourign Minister has called
37:01
Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfussaud for his government's anti Israel campaign. My exclusive
37:06
Speaker 2: interview with Sharen Haskell coming up. But first, how Dutton
37:09
Speaker 2: is tracking against Albinizi in the polls. I'll break this
37:13
Speaker 2: down with my political panel Cameron Milner and Andrew Carswell. Next,
37:21
Speaker 2: welcome back. Let's bring in our Monday political panel Scott
37:24
Speaker 2: Morrison's former press secretary Andrew Carswell and Bill Shotton's former
37:28
Speaker 2: chief of staff Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both once again. Look,
37:32
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has caught up to Albanisi in Freshwater Strategy's
37:36
Speaker 2: latest preferred Prime minister survey. This is for the first time, Cameron,
37:40
Speaker 2: break these figures down for us. Is this alban Ezi
37:43
Speaker 2: turning off voters or is Peter Dutton actually winning Ossie's over.
37:50
Speaker 4: Well, it's a bit of both, isn't it, Shari, Because
37:52
Speaker 4: Albo's numbers have been on the slide for a while.
37:54
Speaker 4: These freshwater numbers are the first time Dutton's been in front,
37:57
Speaker 4: but Albo has been in a terrible state for some
37:59
Speaker 4: time and Dutton's been coming. Dutton's finished the year really,
38:03
Speaker 4: really well and Alba finished it terribly, so these numbers
38:05
Speaker 4: aren't a surprise. What's more interesting is that Albo has
38:08
Speaker 4: been out there splashing over ten billion dollars of taxpayer's
38:12
Speaker 4: money in the last two weeks in this faux campaign.
38:14
Speaker 4: Yet these are the numbers with our seeing in January.
38:17
Speaker 4: These are not good numbers for labor and terrible numbers
38:19
Speaker 4: for Albow, considering that Dutton has got him now in
38:22
Speaker 4: terms of preferred prime minister.
38:24
Speaker 2: Andrew Caswell, you worked for Scott Morrison ahead of the
38:28
Speaker 2: last election and before some research is showing that Alberniz
38:33
Speaker 2: is now as unpopular as Scott Morrison was before the
38:37
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two election. Do you think this means Albo's
38:41
Speaker 2: headed for the history books as a one term government.
38:45
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's getting very interesting, Shari. And it's
38:48
Speaker 3: important to note too that this metric on preferred prime minister,
38:52
Speaker 3: it traditionally skews towards the incumbent. It favors the current
38:56
Speaker 3: sitting Prime minister because Australians get to see that person
39:00
Speaker 3: doing the role of day to day Clearly they are
39:02
Speaker 3: not seeing that, they are not liking what they are seeing,
39:06
Speaker 3: and they are actively imagining what Peter Duarton would would
39:11
Speaker 3: would be like as a prime minister. They actively now
39:15
Speaker 3: considering that in light of his his you know, the
39:19
Speaker 3: strengths that he has shown on certain issues, but also
39:21
Speaker 3: in light of the weakness that the current Prime Minister
39:23
Speaker 3: has shown on a range of different issues as well. Now,
39:27
Speaker 3: no matter what Labor, Labor and Anthony Abanezi throw at
39:31
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, it doesn't seem to be sticky, and I
39:34
Speaker 3: would argue that it's actually becoming counterproductive. Now I find
39:39
Speaker 3: it really really interesting that in the midst of a
39:43
Speaker 3: global economic downturn, in the midst of rising anti semitism
39:50
Speaker 3: and the the you know, the the erosion of social cohesion,
39:54
Speaker 3: in the midst of a rise in global uncertainty, that
40:00
Speaker 3: you would denigrate a leader for being strong exactly. Isn't
40:03
Speaker 3: that what we need at this very time? And yet
40:06
Speaker 3: they are highlighting the strengths of Peter Dutton's character. Yes,
40:09
Speaker 3: they're putting a negative spin on it, but they are
40:11
Speaker 3: highlighting his strengths and Australians are starting to see that
40:14
Speaker 3: maybe we do need a strong leader at this very
40:18
Speaker 3: point in time.
40:18
Speaker 5: And you throw forward to Donald Trump.
40:20
Speaker 3: Who do we trust to stand up to Donald Trump
40:23
Speaker 3: when he launches twenty percent tariffs on Australian exports? Is
40:27
Speaker 3: it the guy that's routinely denigrated for his week leadership
40:30
Speaker 3: or is it the guy that's denigrated for being too strong?
40:33
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the times are suiting Peter Dutton and
40:36
Speaker 2: that Australians are looking for strength and toughness and not weakness.
40:40
Speaker 2: And I hear that the word weak is what's resonating
40:43
Speaker 2: with voters when it comes to Albanezi and the focus groups. Now,
40:47
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister announced today two billion dollars to go
40:50
Speaker 2: towards converting Australia's for aluminium smelters to renewable electricity. This
40:56
Speaker 2: is in an effort to speed up Labour's transition to
40:59
Speaker 2: green energy. Cameron, is this a good use of tax
41:02
Speaker 2: payer money and it will it buy votes?
41:07
Speaker 12: Well?
41:07
Speaker 4: I think it is a good use because aliminium is
41:09
Speaker 4: essentially solidified electricity, is how it's been described to me.
41:12
Speaker 4: When I used to work for Rio, and Rio actually
41:14
Speaker 4: bought Alcan's assets in Canada probably fifteen years ago because
41:18
Speaker 4: it was based on hydro power. So look, no, in
41:21
Speaker 4: the end, aliuminium to survive, to be competitive in the world,
41:25
Speaker 4: needs to come from green energy. That's the basic fact
41:27
Speaker 4: of it. So the transitions there and as you saw
41:29
Speaker 4: in that article, Tommigo is already going for as much
41:31
Speaker 4: green energy as possible, making the market decision anyway to
41:35
Speaker 4: use renewables. So now I think backing our aliminium industry,
41:38
Speaker 4: backing Australian industry is a great thing to do, and
41:40
Speaker 4: it's a great export industry too, our aliminium smelters cars.
41:45
Speaker 5: Well.
41:45
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that Resources Minister Madeline King
41:49
Speaker 2: told The Australian today that you quickly lose a port
41:52
Speaker 2: for an energy transition if people can't maintain their lifestyle.
41:58
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? Do you think this
41:59
Speaker 2: is the Resource Minister becoming concerned that they're not taking
42:04
Speaker 2: voters with them on this path to renewable energy.
42:10
Speaker 3: I think it was a wonderful piece of timing first
42:12
Speaker 3: and foremost.
42:12
Speaker 5: But look, I'm.
42:14
Speaker 3: Happy that Minister King has built a cat on this one,
42:18
Speaker 3: And to be fair to Minister King, she's been very
42:20
Speaker 3: upfront about Australia's dwindling supply of gas and the need
42:24
Speaker 3: to have gas as an important part of this energy
42:27
Speaker 3: transition in the short, medium and the long term. So
42:31
Speaker 3: she's always been a strong advocate for more gas in
42:33
Speaker 3: the system and this issue has been highlighted by the
42:38
Speaker 3: Australian Energy Market Operator, it's been highlighted by the Consumer
42:42
Speaker 3: watched over as well about the impending issue that we're
42:45
Speaker 3: going to have as we approach winter this year with
42:48
Speaker 3: dwindling supplies of energy. But the sad thing about the
42:53
Speaker 3: Labor Cabinet is that Minister King does not have sway
42:56
Speaker 3: in that cabinet room. The debate on energy and the
42:59
Speaker 3: energy position is left with the ideologues, it's left with
43:02
Speaker 3: Chris Bone, it's left with the Prime Minister.
43:05
Speaker 2: So you get this pushed towards.
43:07
Speaker 3: These unattainable renewable energy targets that the rest of the
43:10
Speaker 3: world is starting to walk away from.
43:13
Speaker 2: All right, it's going to be an ongoing debate for show.
43:16
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner Andrew Carswell, great to have you again, Thank
43:19
Speaker 2: you so much. Now don't go anywhere after the break
43:21
Speaker 2: my exclusive interview with Sharen Haskell, Israel's deputy Foreign Minister.
43:26
Speaker 2: She's calling out the Albanezy government for abandoning Israel and
43:30
Speaker 2: not taking action on anti Semitism. Okay, let's cross live
43:37
Speaker 2: to Israel and I'm joined for an exclusive interview by
43:40
Speaker 2: Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell. Sharen, great to see
43:45
Speaker 2: you again. Look, you met with our Attorney General Mark
43:48
Speaker 2: Dreyfus last week and I understand you expressed to him
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Speaker 2: very clearly the Netta Yahoo government's disappointment in Israel's hostile
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Speaker 2: sorry in Australia's home style policies towards Israel, along with
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Speaker 2: the rise in anti Semitism. Can you tell me what
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Speaker 2: message you sent to him.
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Speaker 13: Well, as you've said, we are extremely disappointed from the
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Speaker 13: attitude towards Israel, the change of policy towards Israel and
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Speaker 13: the international organization.
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Speaker 10: I think that it is very set and we do
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Speaker 10: see Australia as one of our greatest allies and historical allies,
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Speaker 10: and it was very disappointing that during this very difficult
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Speaker 10: year that we've experienced, we felt like the Australian government
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Speaker 10: turned their back on us.
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Speaker 2: We expect our.
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Speaker 10: Friends, longtime friends and allies that we used to be
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Speaker 10: able to count on for a very long time to
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Speaker 10: actually stand beside us during the most difficult period of
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Speaker 10: time that we've actually experience. But Charry, I think it's
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Speaker 10: also important to say that our deep concerns about the
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Speaker 10: rise of anti Semitism are you know, are are one
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Speaker 10: of the main issues that we've discussed here at the
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Speaker 10: Foreign Ministry as well. How to our country like Australia,
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Speaker 10: who has been a safe haven for Jews for so
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Speaker 10: many generations and has been one of the safest places
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Speaker 10: and how you know, the rise of anti Semitism and
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Speaker 10: I think more than seven hundred percent, how the Jewish
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Speaker 10: community is being targeted and attacked violently, physically, verbally, and
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Speaker 10: unfortunately not much has been done, especially the recent attacks,
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Speaker 10: graffiti's attempt to vandalize synagogues and Jewish homes, and in
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Speaker 10: the lack of arrests or accountability on how many people
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Speaker 10: were arrested and persecuted prosecuted for these cases.
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Speaker 2: Look, it has been shocking with the Jewish community has
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Speaker 2: been begging for tougher laws that Albanezer government has absolutely refused.
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Speaker 2: And there have been very specific requests made, so you're
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Speaker 2: right to be concerned. We are all concerned here as well,
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Speaker 2: so thank you for raising that with our government. Now, Charan,
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Speaker 2: we saw overnight terrible scenes of a Hamas in Gaza
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Speaker 2: swarming the Red Cross vehicles. Were you personally surprised by
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Speaker 2: just how many Hamas supporters there were in Gaza?
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm not surprised because the fact is that the
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Speaker 13: United Nations, in particular rap has been educated, educating generations
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Speaker 13: of gas and children to hatred violence.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 13: The fact is that they taught them in school how
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Speaker 13: to stabage you, how to murder, how to hate them,
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Speaker 13: and through that indoctrination of a population, it's very easy
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Speaker 13: for Hamas to recruit terrorists. And so I wasn't surprised.
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Speaker 13: And more so, it's important to note that one of
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Speaker 13: the main figures in the negotiation teams of Hamas, after
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Speaker 13: he signed, you know, the temporary cease fire, went in
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Speaker 13: the media and publicly said that they will try and
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Speaker 13: attempt to commit another seventh of October. Those words are
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Speaker 13: not a surprise to us, because we know who our
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Speaker 13: enemy is, we know who our neighbors are.
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Speaker 14: And that's why the international community has to understand that
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Speaker 14: a permanent cease fire can only be reached if Hamas
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Speaker 14: is disabled it's military capabilities and its vilian capabilities.
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Speaker 2: And that hasn't happened. Clearly, They've just come out from
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Speaker 2: beneath the hospitals and schools where they've been hiding.
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Speaker 13: Absolutely, I mean Hamas has invested all of its resources,
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Speaker 13: including the money that was meant for Palestinian children, to
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Speaker 13: build an underground city to protect their terrorist activity, their
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Speaker 13: mineralist activity.
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Speaker 2: They know, they don't hold back.
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Speaker 10: They used children and women as human shields and it's
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Speaker 10: very difficult. We are fighting a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: These are monsters and Israel hasn't had the international community onside.
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Speaker 2: That was the first we saw of the Red Cross overnight,
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Speaker 2: just stepping in at the last minute to claim the publicity.
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Speaker 2: It outraged so many people because they never bothered to
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Speaker 2: visit the hostages. Sure, and Haskell, it's a big fight ahead.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time this evening. Thank you so much,
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Speaker 2: so we've got time for it tonight. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's poor Murray